On today's show, Alex Jones is joined by Edwin Vieira, a constitutional law scholar, to talk about states' rights and the movement against tyranny. Also coming up, Janet Napolitano hasn't reviewed in detail the Arizona immigration law she criticized, and she admits she hasn't even read it.
00:00:06.000We're now simulcasting the last two hours here, live at PrisonPlanet.tv or PrisonPlanet.tv.
00:00:24.000The last hour and a half or so I've spent most of the time talking to military about the fact that they're being trained.
00:00:31.000To carry out domestic operations, gun confiscation.
00:00:34.000I will continue with your phone calls.
00:00:36.000We have several guests coming up as well.
00:00:39.000Edwin Vieira will be joining us, constitutional law scholar, to talk about states' rights and the movement against tyranny.
00:00:47.000Also coming up, Napolitano hasn't reviewed in detail the Arizona immigration law she criticized.
00:00:54.000She admitted in an interview she hasn't even read it.
00:00:57.000Well, I have read the bill, and it says after police make first contact, if they have probable cause, a suspicion, like may I see your driver's license?
00:01:56.000Well, because I believe that it's a bad law enforcement law.
00:02:01.000I believe it mandates and requires local law enforcement or puts them in a position many do not want to be placed in.
00:02:10.000When I was dealing with laws of that ilk, most of the law enforcement organizations in Arizona at that time were opposed to such legislation.
00:02:22.000When I had the Austin Police Chief in a year and a half ago or so, the first time I interviewed him, and I talked about Austin being a sanctuary city, 800 plus in the nation, over 800.
00:02:40.000And he said, well then they wouldn't trust us to call us when they need us.
00:02:44.000I mean, it's on record that illegals have more rights than citizens.
00:02:48.000We've had illegal aliens call into the show and admit that they're basically above the law.
00:02:55.000Or if they do get arrested, it's a $10, maybe $50 fine.
00:03:00.000I mean, it's all over the news that four or five times the same illegal alien, whether it's in Dallas, Texas or Tucson, Arizona, I've seen cases in California, where over and over again they drunk drive and hit people and the police don't even arrest them on the scene because the courts know there's no money in that person and the system wants them released.
00:03:21.000And so, oh, it puts law enforcement in a bad position to have to enforce the law.
00:03:26.000Heaven forbid they're not just out there writing speeding tickets, and not out there providing security for government buildings for non-existent threats.
00:03:36.000God forbid cops actually go after criminals.
00:03:38.000And look, a lot of hard-working people come up here from Mexico.
00:03:42.000And Mexico has collapsed, it's in trouble.
00:03:44.000But if you've got a lifeboat and the other ship's just sunk, and you've already taken more people on your boat than is safe, if you just take unlimited, your boat will sink as well.
00:03:54.000But statistically, many people fleeing justice from all over the world, not just Mexico.
00:03:59.000Mexico is the biggest nation immigrating.
00:04:07.000And time and time again, they just get away with murder.
00:04:11.000And so the question is, why are they getting away with murder?
00:04:15.000And it's because the system wants them here.
00:04:17.000They want unlimited numbers of them here.
00:04:19.000Because as long as they're given welfare, and as long as the nanny state big government poses as their friend, statistically, in over 90% of the cases, you can pull up the national numbers, they vote for anti-gun legislation, Globalist legislation, quote, free government health care, and I've got numbers here today I'm going to cover after I get into some more of the news, where in Texas hundreds and hundreds of physicians are quitting and thousands are talking about it.
00:04:48.000And I see these articles every two or three days from Florida or Texas or California Where the state boards are complaining that doctors are just saying, you know what, I'm 55, I'm not going to work another 10 years.
00:05:01.000I've already got to buy all this liability, malpractice insurance.
00:05:06.000Most doctors do not make that much money.
00:05:08.000And by the way, they have to go to, on average, eight years of school, instead of the average person, professional, four years of school.
00:05:16.000They have to Especially trauma surgeons.
00:05:45.000Thirty years ago, doctors were making, on average, almost double what they're making now.
00:05:51.000Okay, now there are some specialists and, you know, plastic surgeons and some special, you know, top cancer people, you know, who might be making a million dollars a year.
00:05:59.000But most doctors are making under a hundred thousand dollars a year.
00:07:17.000But some doctors Some specialists, it's less than 22, but many others, it's more than 50%.
00:07:26.000So you do a procedure and you don't even get paid the money that'll pay the nurses and yourself and the anesthesiologist.
00:07:35.000And you notice it's mainly Medicare people who are older who need the heart surgeries.
00:07:43.000So I was reading in the article today about how Heart surgeons and people that deal with the vascular system are one of the biggest groups just saying I'm done.
00:07:53.000They're either quitting or they're saying I'm not accepting Medicare.
00:07:57.000Well Ron Paul, you know, wasn't accepting it.
00:08:00.000Twenty-five years ago, when he was practicing medicine, because of this.
00:08:06.000So, if you don't have government and big corporations and insurance companies in the middle, stealing the money and investing it in derivatives, if you don't have all of that getting in the way, and you've got true free market in your health care, you have the best in the world and the least expensive in the world.
00:08:25.000But also, Big Pharma is also involved in the health care bill.
00:08:29.000Mandating that, oh, you don't get a knee surgery with your insurance.
00:08:34.000No, we now mandate you just get drugs or a cortisone steroid shot.
00:08:39.000So, well, I've already gotten into the subject.
00:08:41.000Let me try to find it here in my stack.
00:08:43.000Sometimes it's just quicker just to reprint the article.
00:08:52.000But it was, I mean, I'm sure you've seen it.
00:08:53.000It's been all over the news that doctors are just quitting everywhere or refusing to take Medicare.
00:09:21.000Everywhere I go, doctors tell me how they just want to quit.
00:09:25.000I was talking to a doctor who's far from retirement, and he was discussing how he's an emergency room, emergency medicine MD, and how in the last couple years, and I'd also seen this in the news, they've started, as a way to harass doctors, they're the doctors, not the bureaucrats, having people at hospitals fill out customer satisfaction forms.
00:09:48.000And I was telling this doctor about my dad, who's a dentist, and he says, beautiful women will come in and say, pull my tooth, it hurts.
00:09:58.000So they're ready to have their tooth pulled out, and he'll say no, and they'll get mad and make harassing phone calls and try to make complaints.
00:10:19.000And the person will bust in and say, I want my drugs, and they'll go look in the database or call the hospital across town and find out two hours ago they were given 45, you know, hydrocodones or whatever those pain pills are.
00:10:36.000And then I kind of felt guilty of the time I was down at the emergency room on a Sunday.
00:10:58.000We're waiting for a surgeon to get here, sir.
00:11:00.000We don't have anybody with that expertise right now.
00:11:02.000Then the lady showed up and she was a fan of the show and brought me back and said, I know you don't want to take a tetanus shot and I don't like vaccines either, but this is really one you need.
00:11:21.000And so she spent about 20 minutes with just You know, with that iodine substance, just scrubbing it and going over and getting in the cracks.
00:11:31.000And she did a good job and sewed it up, and I'm very appreciative of that.
00:11:38.000It kind of gave me another perspective of where he said one time there was a dying child, and this person bust in screaming, demanding drugs.
00:11:45.000That person should be I'm not for police brutality, but those drug heads need to have their teeth knocked in.
00:11:51.000So, I mean, the doctors are just under siege, ladies and gentlemen.
00:11:55.000They have the most stressful job there is.
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00:26:20.000He relayed an email to her and she got it to us, and so I called He is lawyer, David Hammer's lawyer, Jesse Trinidou, and talked to his paralegals and confirmed that she's been a key Oklahoma City researcher who got in with Jesse Trinidou to get the signed affidavit from Terry Nichols, one of the co-conspirators on the Oklahoma City bombing.
00:26:49.000That yes, McVeigh was a government operative and told him he was an operative.
00:26:53.000Then we separately have police, military, other testimony.
00:26:57.000We've gotten secret federal documents that Trinidad has sued in federal court to be released, where the head of the FBI anti-terror force was in Oklahoma City and lied about it and was intimately involved.
00:27:08.000I've interviewed people that survived.
00:27:10.000in the office building fifteen years ago like Jane Graham I'm just recapping this who saw McVeigh and military operatives in there as maintenance people planning gray sticks of butter she thought they were working on the telephones I mean it goes on and on this was a government operation so even get in Oklahoma City almost does it disservice to just briefly talk about it but that's all the time we have today now
00:27:33.000Mr. Hammer hadn't been allowed to do interviews, which, when I have the federal court rulings, is unconstitutional, for 11 years.
00:27:41.000The last interview he did was with the L.A.
00:27:47.000And of course he talked and was with McVeigh for years before they even built the Terre Haute Indiana Federal Execution Center.
00:27:54.000He was at the previous federal facility where they were holding him before that and McVeigh told him all this.
00:27:59.000He's written two books on the subject.
00:28:02.000Margaret Roberts, a journalist who wrote the preface for Hammer's 2004 book, Secrets Worth Dying For, Timothy McVeigh, and the Oklahoma City bombing.
00:28:11.000We were contacted by him and so I talked to the law office and others and they marched into Hammer and we have his whole account now he's been put on lockdown in solitary confinement.
00:28:24.000They took away his phone privileges where he's allowed to call That's why you didn't hear the background noise of this is a correctional facility because it was his private legal call, but he was able to get through to us on that system.
00:28:41.000I mean, I knew about Hammer, and I knew about the Oklahoma City information, and I knew that he'd done an interview a few weeks before on Anti-War Radio, which is a pretty big website.
00:28:51.000And I checked into it and there's nothing illegal about interviewing him.
00:28:56.000In fact, what they're doing is illegal under the First Amendment.
00:28:59.000I mean, I don't want to be arrested and disappear into a black hole, and I can't ever get out to the media.
00:29:04.000But they did come and grab him, and he is freeing for his life, and they told him they wanted to take him to an unscheduled, middle-of-the-night medical exam, but he refused.
00:29:13.000And you do have control over yourself in medical issues.
00:29:17.000It's one of the few rights you still have on death row.
00:29:21.000And I'm not saying David Hammer's a perfect person, but his whole story matches with the stuff we already have, the info we already have in Triplicate.
00:29:28.000Plus, he is on death row for, you know, basically...
00:29:31.000Killing somebody in a fight in prison.
00:29:58.000uh... in here uh... by david hammer but right now we're gonna go to uh... margaret roberts who's been a key researcher involved in this for years uh... margaret to have you with us thank you alex it's good to be here i wish it was under other circumstances absolutely i know how are they keeping him uh... from talking to the media even though courts are ruling they can do this well i think what happens is you know in theory
00:30:28.000These inmates are allowed to have interviews, but every time somebody specifically, some reporter or producer specifically requests an interview with Hammer, it's denied.
00:30:41.000So it's, you know, time and time again, he has not been able to speak to the media.
00:30:49.000Now just recapping briefly Hammer's case, I do that for us because you've been an integral part of the research, and then currently flesh out what's in his letter about the type of persecution he's going through for the information he's put out here, because the feds told him if you won't write this book about McVeigh being a US government agent, And saying that they were going to stage his death, which is what two separate reporters said at the time.
00:31:12.000He was still breathing when McVeigh was brought out, when he was executed.
00:31:15.000I mean, he doesn't have any motive to be doing this, except that he is telling the truth.
00:31:20.000Yeah, I think he really doesn't have a motive.
00:31:23.000You see Hammer say, you know, I'm going to die in prison.
00:31:28.000And actually, Alex, the reason I agreed to write the preface, I actually wrote the preface for this new book, Deadly Secrets.
00:31:37.000And the reason I did that was that as a journalist, you know, I knew very well that credibility was going to be the issue for David Hammer.
00:31:48.000And I've been following your website here this morning, and I see that this has kicked up quite a lot of noise, and people are rightly saying, why should we believe this guy on death row?
00:31:59.000As I wrote in my preface, as a reporter in Chicago, I broke a big story way back in the 1980s about an innocent prisoner on death row.
00:32:10.000And he was proved to be innocent, and the real killers were discovered, and he walked free.
00:32:17.000And to me, the lesson was, yes, you have to exercise great scrutiny when you examine a story that's coming off death row.
00:32:27.000But at the same time, Alex, the truth can come off death row.
00:32:36.000I was a producer for America's Most Wanted, and in 2005, started looking into this Oklahoma City bombing from the fugitive aspect, John Doe No. 2.
00:32:49.000I know you've covered and covered this.
00:32:52.000That's when I ran into Jesse Trinidou and David Hammers.
00:32:59.000Interviews with Timothy McVeigh and the possibility that Jesse Trinidou's brother, Kenneth, who was a mysterious prison suicide in quotation marks, that he may have been linked to the bombing.
00:33:13.000So that's how I became involved in this research.
00:33:18.000And through it, now for several years, have watched as Jesse Trinidou and David Hammer have collaborated, and then David, you know, has been off on his own path, and find it very impressive what David has synthesized from his own researches, conducted from, of all places, his cell in death row,
00:33:44.000Um, as well as covering what Jesse's done, what the excellent investigative reporter J.D.
00:33:55.000And through this period, Alex, Hammer Has been volunteering to step forward and tell his story.
00:34:03.000I noticed that one of your writers to the website this morning was commenting on the demeanor, the tenor of Hammer's presentation to you in that excellent hour-long interview you did last week.
00:34:18.000The human voice tells a lot about credibility.
00:34:20.000That's all Hammer has ever asked to do, is to step forward and tell his story.
00:34:25.000But the FBI has fought tooth and nail all the way up to federal appellate courts to shut Hammer up.
00:34:33.000And I think any reasonable mind would have to ask, 15 years after the fact, why is that so important that you not allow a man to tell a story?
00:34:46.000Well, even more than that, certainly there's a cover-up going on, and they're fighting very hard to continue it.
00:34:54.000But everything he's been saying, years later, with Jesse Trinidad's lawsuits, comes out in federal documents, comes out in major Newspapers, it comes out that the feds were basically running Elohim City, that there were warnings, that the head of the FBI anti-terrorism group was there the week before, in the day of the event, and lied about it.
00:35:19.000And this was a government operation, separate from anything Hammer says.
00:35:26.000It's just incredible, the amount of evidence.
00:35:30.000From all of your research, what's the bottom line on Oklahoma City?
00:35:34.000Well, you know, every reporter, every journalist always has a working theory.
00:35:40.000I, and which is subject to change, the more you learn, the more you know.
00:35:45.000But I think a very important dot that Hammer connects, and by the way, if I may share for your listeners, this book is only available one place, the website for the publisher, www.authorhouse.com.
00:36:02.000That's the only place you can read this book.
00:36:06.000My working theory, based upon my own research and watching what Hammer and Jesse Trinidou have developed, and I think this is the dot that Hammer connects, a very important one, Alex, is the use of criminals as informants.
00:36:25.000Reporting directly to federal law enforcement.
00:36:30.000I think that's going to be a major element of this story once the whole story is told.
00:36:36.000As Hammer points out, most, virtually all, of the members of this Aryan Republican Army bank robbery gang that Timothy McVeigh fingered as his On the ground support squad in Oklahoma City on April 19 virtually every one of them at one time or another before during or after the Oklahoma City bombing was functioning as A criminal informant to federal law enforcement.
00:37:06.000Well, we know the feds do this everywhere.
00:37:07.000They'll have a convicted arsonist, child molester, bank robber, and then they'll be used in court against people who don't even have a criminal record.
00:37:16.000So here's the government saying, don't listen to David Hammer, he's a convict on death row, but then listen to all of our Criminal informants that we're using, and then when their clean criminal informant, Howell, was inside Elohim City and came out and said they're getting ready to blow up the federal building, they indicted her just to shut her up because one agency didn't know what the other agency was doing.
00:37:39.000But finishing up with that, we need to talk about Mr. Hammer, what we know about him now being basically punished, and his letter that made it out.
00:37:50.000I'm happy to say, Alex, that this morning I have had another email from Hammer.
00:37:56.000He remains extremely concerned about what is to come.
00:38:01.000Obviously, this disciplinary procedure will go forward.
00:38:07.000How heavy it's going to be is unknown so far.
00:38:12.000As you know in the email he sent yesterday, which you posted on your website, he was fearing that it was going to be heavy consequences and was expecting that all of his communications would be shut down.
00:38:31.000His plea was, you know, if this makes sense to people out there, that he is representing this story and the continuing research effort, You know, he was encouraging people to be in touch with the prison.
00:38:48.000If I may say, if I may add, Alex, one of the amazing Well, not so amazing to me as I come out of the America's Most Wanted enterprise, which I worked for for some years.
00:39:01.000The information that is starting to surface through, you know, your listeners.
00:39:06.000We've had, you know, very interesting emails, factual informational emails.
00:39:12.000Um, just continuing to add, you know, clues and leads to this.
00:39:17.000This is what could be the tipping point of this entire investigation.
00:39:22.000Is that if, as David Hammer has shaken the tree here to bring information in, and as you have You know, had the courage to, you know, get on the air and really give this a hearing.
00:39:42.000And there are more very important moments just down the horizon.
00:39:48.000And one of them is Jesse Trinidad's fight over these surveillance tapes and why is the FBI Again, fighting tooth and nail to keep these pictures secret.
00:40:01.000I think the videotape that the FBI is still holding is going to show us pictures of people who were with Timothy McVeigh on the morning of 4-19-95.
00:40:16.000And I think those pictures will be revelatory as to the potential, you know, government involvement in some way or other here.
00:40:26.000But for 15 years they've been declaring national security on all those different videotapes.
00:40:30.000But we do have the witnesses that day and the days before who did see McVeigh all over the building, in the ATF offices, you name it.
00:40:39.000I mean, these are credible people who are on record that worked there and who saw him.
00:40:44.000Yes, I think all of this goes exactly back to that, and to your listeners who are kind of shouting, don't listen to David Hammer, I would just say remember that, you know, more than a dozen honest witnesses in Oklahoma and Kansas swore they saw John Doe No.
00:41:16.000You know, I want to get you back for a full hour in the near future to really go over Oklahoma City from your perspective, because we can't just do it just as... I'd be so glad to do that, and I was so... It was a tremendous interview you did, Alex.
00:41:29.000You brought... You know, this was the fight to keep this silent, and you brought this story out, and people did hear David Hammer in his own words, and I thought he was persuasive.
00:41:44.000No, so did my family and friends that heard it.
00:41:46.000But again, if you've really researched the info, you know how persuasive, because he was saying a lot of these things before it ever even came out.
00:41:52.000And a lot of this has now been confirmed through the lawsuits of Jesse Trinidad in the federal court.
00:41:58.000Margaret Roberts, is there a website or some personal site folks can visit of yours?
00:42:16.000More than anything, David Hammer would say, were he able to be here to say it himself, is Somebody out there knows who was behind the Oklahoma City bombing.
00:42:28.000If anybody that's listening has any fragment of information first-hand about that, particularly those of you in Oklahoma City, please go to the website.
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00:46:35.000Hi, just Military Police and I just wanted to call and comment on the open phone lines you had today.
00:46:42.000You know, I see a pattern emerging that I've had actually for the past few months.
00:46:47.000You know, we have training days where I'm at about twice every month and one of the things is that at the beginning of the training day, beginning of the training period, The very first thing they always breeze over is martial law, and the difference between qualified and absolute martial law, and also the Fourth, Fifth, Sixth Amendments, and the Apache Kalapatas Act, and some of the Crimes Act.
00:47:16.000And, um, you know, we get it beaten into us.
00:47:18.000And, um, you know, from what my own experience, I've been in the military, you know, for almost four years.
00:47:25.000Um, I've never, Been trained to confiscate weapons.
00:47:29.000You know, except for in instances where it's a search, a legally authorized search.
00:47:43.000You're saying that they now, I mean this is new though, I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but what I got from what you said is that this is new now, that suddenly at the start of the drills they describe different variants or different threat continuums, different escalations of that suddenly at the start of the drills they describe different variants Yes, that's true, but also going along with your point, I don't believe that the military will actually confiscate weapons willingly.
00:48:11.000I mean, I'm not a member of Oath Keepers, but I do support them, and I will keep my oath to the Constitution.
00:48:25.000What percent would you dead reckon have your view versus the other view, A?
00:48:30.000And then B, how do they describe martial law to you?
00:48:34.000Well, you know, I don't think that many members of my unit personally will actually follow an order to confiscate weapons because they recognize, you know, every American has a Second Amendment right.
00:48:45.000And if they were in that position, they wouldn't want their weapons confiscated either, you know.
00:48:50.000I mean, the military in general, you know, I will agree that there are those that are hard chargers and will follow whatever orders they're given.
00:48:59.000But, you know, with the branch of service, we're almost taught to question orders.
00:49:04.000Sure, well that's the catch-22 with police and military.
00:49:07.000They know guns aren't the boogeyman the media says they are, so you've got these global communists basically trying to demonize guns, but the military knows all about guns, and they love guns, and they're not going to buy it.
00:50:23.000It's where the military takes control, essentially, over the court system, over the police, and has final authority and say over just about everything.
00:52:05.000Not only do we have all the mainstream news articles and I've interviewed the colonels involved with open gun confiscation drills in places like Iowa.
00:52:13.000Not only do we have all these czars in the White House and the new Supreme Court nominee calling for an end of free speech, secret arrest of citizens by the Pentagon.
00:52:26.000Preston calls in from Japan, and we know this is confirmed under NORTHCOM.
00:52:30.000They admit they're training for open martial law, absolute martial law, under infrastructure protection, continuity of government, COG, but suddenly the last seven months, and he's been in for four years, and he's in Japan, they're teaching him You know, the baby martial law, where they just help in an emergency versus total takeover of society.
00:52:52.000But again, now they're training them for both types.
00:52:58.000I mean, does that creep you out, Preston, that suddenly they're teaching you about full bore martial law?
00:53:08.000Well, I won't say it creeps me out, because I first learned about all this in boot camp.
00:53:12.000And, I mean, most military members always talk about this in boot camp.
00:53:16.000But, you know, depending on their job, what they do, they don't necessarily go over the tour of duty as much as they like the police do, like we do.
00:53:25.000So, but I have noticed, like I said, noticed an increasing trend that, you know, it's just like the nail hitting on the head continually over and over again.
00:53:32.000And it's being, I wouldn't say beaten into us, but we're reminded of it, you know, at least twice a month.
00:53:39.000And we have been taught in how to help implement that and what our positions would be.
00:53:47.000And are they saying under total martial law that they're going to go after the guns?
00:53:50.000Because in the drills that they're having, they are, you know, cordoning neighborhoods and going door-to-door.
00:53:57.000And we have Schenectady, New York mayor.
00:53:59.000We have the disgraced Governor Blagojevich last year, before he got kicked out, saying, I want the National Guard here to confiscate guns.
00:54:06.000I mean, you know, Marines running checkpoints looking for drunk drivers.
00:54:09.000I mean, they're certainly acclimating right now.
00:54:47.000And you know, it's the same with them too.
00:54:49.000They're having the same kind of ramp up.
00:54:52.000Well, I talked to my cousin and he said they're even training you know the mechanics uh... in riot control in the national guard now uh... and uh... you know he's always been in the military regular army and now he's a regular army liaison to the national guard anyone really talk about it uh... but He just shakes his head.
00:55:16.000He just says, I'm not, you know, because he's an officer, he just says, Alex, you have no idea.
00:55:22.000And so I think that's where you really see it is in the, is these units that are crossover, big army, national guard in the States.
00:55:31.000And you know, we do have, uh, something called auxiliary security forces.
00:55:35.000They, uh, they have their normal military jobs, whether they're the mechanic or, uh, they work on aircraft or they work on tanks or whatever the deal may be.
00:55:44.000And they will come in and augment and supplement us from time to time.
00:55:47.000And they receive the same training as well.
00:55:49.000Well, we're running out of time and I appreciate your call, but just to throw this last question in, I mean, are you guys having discussions of why this is suddenly happening?
00:55:58.000I mean, I would guess it's about the financial collapse or, I mean, what do the guys think is going on?
00:56:06.000You know, most of the guys are completely oblivious to really what goes on.
00:56:12.000with politics or anything that goes on with the news.
00:56:14.000Most of them just want to get their paycheck and have their weekend.
00:56:19.000But like I said, most of them are good guys.
00:56:22.000I don't really see any of them going in and confiscating any weapons.
00:56:27.000Unless the right-wing terrorists blow up a bunch of cities, then we're going to have to.
00:56:32.000See, that's how they're setting it up.
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01:00:15.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:00:20.000Well, for the balance of this radio broadcast, the next 52 minutes, Dr. Edwin Vieira joins us.
01:00:26.000And we're going to be talking about the Bill of Rights, the Constitution, this imperial federal government, the open, unprecedented assaults on the core of the Bill of Rights, the preparations for martial law in this country, with Dr. Edwin Vieira.
01:00:43.000So we're going to get to Bud and Ed and others who are military to comment on the type of training they've been given or comments they have on the military saying no to this.
01:00:54.000Oath Keepers has now got an interview with a sergeant who was involved in Katrina and he said that upwards of half or even more, but he saw about half of them, say we're not going to be in formation saying we're not taking part in gun confiscation.
01:01:06.000And that really shut the whole thing down.
01:01:08.000Though they had ABC News and CBS and Fox running around with teams of military, regular army that were doing it.
01:01:18.000But Dr. Edwin Vieira holds four degrees from Harvard, Harvard College, A.M.
01:01:25.000and Ph.D., Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences, J.D.
01:01:29.000Harvard Law School, and he's won cases at the Supreme Court.
01:01:32.000If I tried to read his bio, it would get me going forever.
01:01:35.000But his most recent work on money and banking is the two-volume pieces of eight, Monetary Powers and Disabilities, United States Constitution.
01:01:43.000And you can read his great articles at newswithviews.com.
01:01:46.000We'll tell you more about his books and materials.
01:01:48.000I believe he's written another book since then, and he's also started a movement to really take back the states, and he's a big part of the film I consulted on, that I'm also in, Don't Tread on Me, Rise of the Republic.
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01:02:24.000Dr. Edwin Vieira, before we get into the Supreme Court and what's happening there, you were on hold listening to that MP officer talking about suddenly they're being trained about the different types of martial law.
01:02:36.000Well, this goes back a fair ways, Alex, of course, because they've been anticipating for a long time, based on what they understand to be the inherent instability of this monetary and banking system that we're going to be in.
01:02:48.000For a great deal of economic chaos, if you will.
01:02:52.000And that will obviously lead to social dislocations, political unrest.
01:02:57.000I mean, imagine things like the Watts riots or the Los Angeles riots.
01:03:01.000Most people are familiar with that in recent history.
01:03:04.000Or what happened in Argentina is a good example.
01:03:06.000At the turn of the 20th century, they had a couple of events like that earlier.
01:03:12.000I think that's what the powers that be are looking towards, and they probably don't believe, I certainly don't believe that they're capable of finessing the difficulties they're having with the Federal Reserve currency and the debt level of the federal government, so forth and so on.
01:03:27.000So they're anticipating this will happen.
01:03:28.000They know that they don't have Enough, as the expression goes, boots on the ground within the local and state police forces.
01:03:36.000So this means they have to turn to the National Guard, the regular army, to try and maintain their version of social order.
01:03:45.000And that's where the whole concept of martial law comes in, and of course the training that follows from that.
01:03:50.000And of course, your deep research in papers and books you've written on it have been seminal roadmaps.
01:03:55.000Ron Paul has quoted them as seminal roadmaps in his research, that if they wanted real homeland security, it would spring from the state and the county and would be the bonafide militia of 1789.
01:04:06.000Well, if you go to the Constitution and you look for the word security, where do you find it?
01:04:13.000The only place it exists is in the Second Amendment, a well-regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state.
01:04:19.000And it's not just security for security's sake.
01:04:22.000It's security for this concept called a free state, which is what the entire Constitution is intended to uphold.
01:04:28.000And that's certainly not what most people today, myself, would call a martial law.
01:04:34.000And it's tied to this institution called a well-regulated militia.
01:04:39.000And if you want to know what that is, you put yourself back in the context of the Founding Fathers, most of whom, if they were, the Founding Fathers by definition being males, most of whom had served or were then members of various state militias that trace back their history into the 1600s.
01:04:58.000You can find all of the principles for the organization of a well-regulated militia in just hundreds of these statutes that were passed.
01:05:06.000In the 13 colonies of an independent states prior to the ratification of the Constitution.
01:05:11.000And to interrupt, the Democrats especially, but also Republicans argue, no, that means well regulated military, but it says The people, I mean there in the Second Amendment it says the people, the rights of the people.
01:05:25.000I mean clearly it's a hundred percent defined as this militia for our security is the people.
01:05:32.000And of course if everybody's got guns and knows how to use them, most people aren't criminals, you're going to have a very free and safe society and a polite society.
01:05:42.000Of course, the Second Amendment in a sense is redundant there because if you look At these malicious statutes which define what those people considered to be a well-regulated militia.
01:05:54.000Well at the time it was every able-bodied free man from 16 to 55 or 60 when you became too old to function anymore.
01:06:02.000Now of course they had slaves and the women were not legally emancipated so it was limited at that time to men.
01:06:07.000We might have a slight change in that composition.
01:06:10.000But the idea was it was the organization of the entire community.
01:06:15.000We're supposed to have a self-governing republic in each one of the states, a republican form of government, and a self-governing community involves everyone participating to some degree, literally having a duty to participate in the governmental structure.
01:06:29.000As the Constitution tells us in the Second Amendment, the key element to maintaining this free state, this republican form of government, is what?
01:06:37.000A well-regulated militia, which consists of whom?
01:06:41.000So this whole idea that the National Guard is the militia or somehow the army or whatever... I mean, all you have to do is read the Constitution and see that the provisions dealing with the Army and the Navy are separate from the provisions dealing with the militia.
01:06:59.000Now let's shift gears, sir, and pick your powerful brain on these issues.
01:07:05.000One of the leading constitutional scholars out there, Dr. Eben Vieira, joins us right now, if you just tuned in.
01:07:12.000Just, I want to get your take on the overall atmosphere, if you're shocked by it, because I was expecting this, but still, it's one thing to know it's coming, but to see it happen, the violent belligerence act that clearly states, you know, in the text, we've shown it here probably a hundred times the last two months, it's very close to passing.
01:07:29.000Where it says if the Army or the Justice Department wants you, you disappear for even any intelligence purpose, and only an act of Congress can even discover where you are.
01:07:40.000You've got Cass Sunstein saying we can shut down free speech, tax free speech, make people carry what information we want in their newspapers or websites.
01:07:49.000You've got Elena Kagan, and I've got the quotes, basically saying we can ban any speech we want, we can go after the Second Amendment.
01:07:57.000I mean, these people They're running around saying, we'll put you on a secret list with no fly, no buy, you can't own guns.
01:08:08.000I mean, it's just, it's just, the Supreme Court just ruled, you know, no rights for detainees, indefinite detention.
01:08:15.000I mean, it's just, for me, as a layman, but somebody who studied the Bill of Rights, Constitution, and history, is this not the most Orwellian system we could imagine?
01:08:27.000I think Stalinist is actually the word for it.
01:08:30.000I suppose it's Orwellian in the sense that Orwell wrote fiction, and we're looking at something which is so extraordinarily difficult to believe that it could even happen at all, let alone that it's happening so quickly.
01:08:40.000If you look at the rise of the police state mechanism, 9-11, the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, and now there's various things that you're talking about.
01:08:55.000How quickly has this country degenerated?
01:08:58.000And the amazing thing to me is the uniformity of opinion among Democrats, Republicans, in the court system, in the media, the orchestration of this.
01:09:10.000Is what really, I shouldn't say shocks me, but it just surprises me how well the wheels have been greased to move this forward at a very rapid speed, much faster than I certainly would have predicted, but I think it's primarily because the economic system is deteriorating much faster than most of us would have predicted.
01:09:29.000I mean, when I really lay in bed and I'm thinking about this, I ask myself, how do I hear a UT law professor saying the health care bill's constitutional on local radio, and out of his mouth next he says, stripping us of habeas corpus is good, and the guy was supposedly a liberal.
01:09:52.000And it's the consistency among these people on both sides of the so-called political spectrum, once again proving that the political spectrum that they present to us is essentially fictional.
01:11:02.000Well, it goes to the Stalinist point that if you say essentially anything that's against the regime, the NKVD will show up at 3 o'clock in the morning and you'll disappear into the gulag!
01:11:12.000And now I turn CNN on and they've got Lieberman and McCain going, we want to be able to secretly arrest you!
01:11:32.000Now, of course, if people want to be stripped of citizenship, I think that's unconstitutional as a principle.
01:11:37.000But if you were to accept that principle, it would strike me that the first people on that list would be these public officials who have violated their oath to the Constitution of the United States.
01:11:47.000Well, they do work for the foreign powers of the banking cartel.
01:11:51.000Dr. Edwin Vieira, our amazing guest, will be right back after this quick break to continue and talk about Elena Kagan.
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01:16:38.000There's a certain mentality there that's expressed in what she's written.
01:16:42.000The interesting little vignette that came to me, she was a law clerk at the Supreme Court for Justice Blackmun, and a case came up involving a sub-Second Amendment question.
01:16:54.000And she wrote a little memo to him saying that the case shouldn't, that the case shouldn't be granted, that the Supreme Court shouldn't hear it, because she was not sympathetic to the issue.
01:17:02.000And I thought, well, that's an amazing attitude.
01:17:04.000Whether or not an individual law clerk or a justice is sympathetic, personally sympathetic, to a constitutional question, decides whether these questions are going to be heard, well, that would strike me as really a disqualification in terms of their psychological propensities, if you will.
01:17:20.000for dealing with this type of problem.
01:17:22.000But then you look at the background, you look at what she's advocated, at least what she's in print as having advocated, and I would say that it's a very bad decision to put her on the court.
01:17:33.000But it's a piece of what's coming out of the Obama administration.
01:17:38.000And everything they do is of this type.
01:17:41.000Well, again, just watching Supreme Court nominations over the decades, that's the number one thing, that they're impartial, and that they're going to follow the Constitution.
01:17:50.000But here she is admitting, oh, I decide cases on what I believe in, and we know she's a gun grabber, and so that memo right there, she should be disqualified.
01:18:00.000I think that's the attitude of the now Justice Sotomayor as well.
01:18:04.000I mean, she would express the opinion that, well, judges make law.
01:18:08.000What does that mean when you're in a constitutional context?
01:18:11.000I take it that means that she thinks that she can make or unmake different provisions of the Constitution, which is clearly contrary to the whole theory of constitutional jurisprudence.
01:18:26.000They've become the super legislature, in fact, superior to Congress because they can write constitutional decisions that, according to them, control what Congress can do.
01:18:36.000They put themselves in a fantastic position, in fact superior to the people because of the people, to change the Constitution.
01:18:41.000We have to go through the rather involved process under Article 5 of getting all of those three quarters of the states, through their legislatures or conventions, to agree to some constitutional change.
01:18:52.000Whereas in the Supreme Court, five votes out of nine does it.
01:18:56.000Plus, if they say the Constitution is whatever they say it is, it doesn't matter if we pass an amendment.
01:19:01.000They would just basically exercise a veto.
01:19:44.000But I think the real reason was she's someone who's going to be there quite a long time and she fits the ideological mold perfectly.
01:19:51.000And she's apparently perfectly willing to exercise that ideology no matter what the Constitution may say.
01:19:59.000But doesn't this just further discredit the court?
01:20:04.000Uh, well, yes, I guess it does, but you tell me whether the court hasn't already been discredited beyond salvation at this point in time.
01:20:13.000I mean, I spent years litigating cases in the Supreme Court before Sotomayor or Kagan came on the court, and I learned a long time ago that we were not going to restore the constitutional foundations of this republic through the Supreme Court of the United States.
01:20:29.000Have the constitutional crisis that's happened before, as you know, where the Congress, because it controls the money, starts really exercising power, and what, cuts the money off to them?
01:20:39.000Well, I think we have to go through the states, number one, because there has to be a legislative solution here, and not a judicial solution.
01:20:45.000As a practical matter, it's just too difficult to bring.
01:20:48.000large numbers of these issues through the judicial system just takes too long, and then the courts try to limit the extent of the questions that are presented, and then they give you opinions that are insufficient, whatever.
01:20:58.000It has to be a legislative solution, and it has to come through the states, because Congress right now is a wasteland.
01:21:04.000I think you will end up with a constitutional crisis, You're going to come up to a situation where some significant number of states are taking one route, and Congress, perhaps backed by some of the other states, are taking another route, and the people are going to have to weigh in on one side or the other, and we can just keep our fingers crossed it'll be on the right side.
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01:26:14.000We were escorted to the area where we were cleaning up.
01:26:18.000And during that time, they were constantly walking the streets, monitoring everything.
01:26:27.000And we were told when we left our building, which was about 60 miles away, The only thing we could have in our pockets, they gave us a lunch to take with us.
01:26:40.000The only thing we could have in our pockets were our driver's license and our DOT card, which was required by the government.
01:26:51.000Patrolling the area, we were in there to salvage our vehicles and things like that.
01:26:59.000But while we were in there, You know, you start seeing these regular troops on a regular basis walking their routes, and I was approached by one.
01:27:11.000As a matter of fact, I got my picture made with four of them in full combat.
01:27:18.000I had my picture made and I still have that.
01:27:23.000I was approached by one, came up to me and said, if I see anybody that looks like he's going to be looting, Or looks like he might have a weapon to come and get him that he wanted me to come get him personally that he wanted to take him out that they had orders to take anybody out that was looting or had a weapon And then they went and confiscated citizens' guns who were high and dry.
01:27:50.000We've had military call in that talked about witnessing the police with chains ripping the doors off jewelry stores and dragging safes out.
01:28:00.000Did you see, and it was also on the news, the police looting Walmart.
01:28:09.000For those who just joined us, those are some leftover callers from previous hour when we were taking calls from people that witnessed what martial law is like.
01:28:16.000Going back to Dr. Edwin Vieira, shifting gears, I wanted to ask you this question.
01:28:23.000During the break, I was saying, why are they so bold?
01:28:53.000You just don't know exactly when, but as it's shaking itself to pieces, at a certain stage, you say, well, it's not going to be very much longer.
01:28:59.000I think that's what they're looking at.
01:29:01.000They recognize they can't really be sure they can keep this system under control, so they have to get as much control of us into place as possible in the shortest length of time, because they don't know exactly when the crisis is going to hit.
01:29:15.000Uh, now the difficulty for them, however, is that their technique has always been the boiling of the frog story, right?
01:29:22.000If you drop the frog into the hot pan of boiling water, the frog leaps out, literally, before it even gets into the water, whereas if you put the frog into cool water, and then, and, the frog will not notice what's happening and eventually be boiled.
01:29:37.000They're heating up the pan now at an increasingly rapid rate, and I think the Numbers are waking up to the fact that they're being boiled.
01:29:46.000And it's only a matter of a very short length of time when enough of them start to jump out of that pan.
01:29:52.000The Tea Party movement, we're seeing that, of course, from what you're doing in educating people all over the country.
01:29:57.000It's becoming more and more apparent that the blinders are being stripped off the eyes of the average American.
01:30:03.000And he can see who's who and what's what, and now it's simply a matter of getting him to understand what needs to be done to deal with these problems that he recognizes are there, finally recognizes are there.
01:30:17.000Where we're going, what individuals can do, what communities can do.
01:30:23.000Let's say you're the general trying to direct people on the best course of action to take the Republic back from these people via the states, as well as the federal government.
01:30:34.000What is the proper role of the states and the people under the 9th and 10th Amendment?
01:30:38.000Of course, you've covered it, don't tread on me.
01:30:40.000How do we legally and lawfully block and then checkmate this criminal takeover?
01:30:47.000Well, I think, number one, we have to get control of our local economies, because if the economy goes down in general, the average man is going to be in a desperate situation.
01:30:57.000He's going to be willing to take direction from higher-up authorities, from central government, from martial law figures, or the man on the white horse type syndrome.
01:31:07.000And the economy is the thing that really is the linchpin here.
01:31:12.000And we have the opportunity to do that, but it's going to require action at the state level, and action at the state level directed towards what?
01:31:18.000Towards providing the foundation for any sound economy, which is a sound currency system.
01:31:24.000Our problem is centrally located in the Federal Reserve System.
01:31:28.000We wouldn't have all of these difficulties today, at least not to the degree that we have them, if that system-oriented operation hadn't been in operation since before World War I.
01:31:37.000So we need to take action at the state level to bring in an alternative currency, and we see that already happening, at least in the sense that various state legislators are putting in bills to that effect.
01:31:48.000There's one this year in Georgia and South Carolina.
01:31:51.000There was one last year in Indiana and Montana.
01:31:55.000People in Oklahoma are talking about it.
01:31:57.000So I think it's a matter of folks at the grassroots Making the contacts with state legislators that they think have a true constitutionalist bent, number one, and some understanding of the economics of the situation, saying, look, we need you to take a strong look at this kind of legislation.
01:32:15.000We can, in fact, we have the constitutional authority Actually, the Supreme Court already ruled on this particular question, ruled on this particular question in the late 1800s, whether a state could institute and use an alternative currency and not be required to use the currency that Congress had emitted at that time was the Lincoln Greenbacks, the irredeemable Lincoln Greenbacks.
01:32:36.000So, we even have the Supreme Court on our side on this one, besides the Tenth Amendment and the Ninth Amendment.
01:32:44.000Because if you have the alternative currency in place, then that state is not going to suffer the full ravages of economic dislocations when this...
01:32:54.000The banking system comes down, as I am fairly confident it will.
01:32:57.000And I think the key here is you're saying we've got to start getting this in place now, and as Ron Paul and others have said, we have to identify the private central banks as the problem, so they can't use the crisis they've created to slingshot them into an even greater position of power.
01:33:13.000We have to be in the position of saying in our states, we have an alternative currency system in place now, we don't need you or your solution to the problem that you caused.
01:33:40.000But step number two, then, has to be the organization within each state of the total community in the way the Constitution tells us is necessary to the security of the pre-state, that is the well-regulated militia, so that we can control our homeland security problems at the local and state level and not be dependent upon FEMA or the Army or, for that matter, even the National so that we can control our homeland security problems at the And that's why they've raced to make us so domesticated, where people see someone knifed and stabbed to death.
01:34:09.000They're so lazy, they don't even call the police, much less help the person themselves. - That's right, the Kitty Genovese syndrome.
01:34:27.000So we have to turn that around completely and bring people back into what the Constitution tells us is the necessary mode of total community organization.
01:34:36.000Now once you put those two things together, The alternative currency and the revitalized constitutional militia structure.
01:34:43.000Again, I'm talking about the militia under the U.S.
01:34:46.000Constitution, not some kind of private organization.
01:34:49.000Once you have those two, that state will be exercising the two key powers of government, as all political philosophy tells us.
01:34:59.000The power of the purse, the power of the money, and the power of the sword.
01:35:05.000Homeland Security, the militia, whatever term you want to use.
01:35:08.000Those are the keys because you will not have state sovereignty and you certainly will not have populist sovereignty until those two powers have been returned to the states and directly to the people.
01:35:20.000If you have a proper alternative currency, Which is based upon gold and silver, so it's tied directly into the marketplace.
01:35:27.000Then the people will have direct control over that.
01:35:30.000And if you have the militia, which is composed of the people as a whole, all of them armed and organized and disciplined and trained in some way, then you will have that level of state sovereignty directly controlled by the people.
01:35:43.000And when the people control those two levels of state sovereignty, you have true self-government.
01:35:49.000And we're where the founding fathers expected us to be, hoped that we would be, and gave us the tools to get there.
01:35:55.000Alright, let me ask you then a constitutional law question, and I want to be specific.
01:36:00.000When I criticize ragtag militias, I'm not criticizing the men, the women, the people that see the threat, the people that are forming their own local communities, you know, unorganized.
01:36:11.000The problem is the Feds have been caught going in, trying to radicalize, making them act like clowns, provocateuring them to then demonize the overall idea of a militia.
01:36:22.000The real militia, and explain it in actual constitutional terms, would be If we took over our counties and cities, and then we're the people, and then we, the voters, decide how it's set up, and we're not paying all these federal taxes, we're levying the taxes locally, we're making the decisions, we actually are in control of the police, we're in control of the juries, the grand juries, we run things.
01:36:44.000But to do that, we've got to be involved.
01:36:46.000But going out behind the cabin with your neighbor, And saying we're preparing to take on the New World Order, that's fine to defend yourself from criminals or whatever, or even if you head to a tyrannical government.
01:36:57.000But to offensively take the nation back, it needs to be the county sheriffs, the county commissioners, the city council.
01:37:04.000We need to have this message and take over the government and run our flag up.
01:37:42.000We can do it now, it's a matter of ultimately, it's a matter of passing a statute.
01:37:47.000The thing could probably be done at a county level, or the town level, or whatever, but it would have only, obviously, limited authority within that jurisdiction.
01:37:54.000But those could be models for the state.
01:37:57.000Obviously, you could start doing this kind of thing.
01:37:58.000If they were done at the county level, I wouldn't call the organizations militia.
01:38:02.000If your county council set something up, you might call it a county committee of safety or a county homeland defense organization or whatever.
01:38:09.000Give it some other name because in constitutional principle, you know what the militia are called, The militia of the several states.
01:38:35.000Because these institutions are self-governing institutions composed of the people themselves!
01:38:42.000That's what I... It always amazes me how difficult it seems to be to get this idea across to the average American.
01:38:47.000If you want self-government, then you have to start exercising or participating yourself in self-government.
01:38:54.000Self-government is not a spectator sport.
01:38:56.000Yeah, you can't abdicate and, quote, hire professionals, because in every case in history, the professionals are going to come in and rob you.
01:39:04.000They're going to become the governors, and you're going to become the subjects.
01:39:08.000That's the rule of history, the rule of political philosophy.
01:39:11.000I mean, every time you look at that kind of a system, it moves in the direction of centralized control and the people lower down in the pyramid, there's always pyramidal structures, the people lower down in the pyramid have less and less control.
01:39:23.000Our constitutional pyramid works exactly the other way.
01:39:26.000Sovereignty is at the bottom and less and less authority is delegated to the top.
01:39:32.000But, for sovereignty to exist, sovereignty has to be exercised.
01:39:36.000People cannot claim to be sovereigns unless they take sovereign actions.
01:39:41.000Unless they perform sovereign functions.
01:39:43.000Otherwise, they're going to be subjects.
01:40:00.000What people in this country don't want to do is they don't want, number one, apparently too many of them from too long haven't wanted to do the work, and then they've wanted to pass on the responsibility for failure to somebody else.
01:40:10.000In a self-governing society, you're responsible for success and failure.
01:40:27.000I mean, they were some of the most exceptional men in history in such a large concentration of exceptional... I mean, that's why the King of England, King George III, whenever George Washington refused kingship here in the U.S.
01:40:43.000He said he's the greatest man in the world today because no one really in history had refused the Caesar power when it was offered.
01:41:39.000The yeast is just a tiny amount, and it moves the entire mass of flour.
01:41:46.000We will find that 5% or 10% and then the great mass of people, most of whom I think in this country are people of goodwill and basic common sense.
01:41:55.000You know, they may not have been educated as well as they should have been in this public school system.
01:41:59.000You can go all down this list of horribles that we have.
01:42:02.000But basically I think they're of sound mind and good disposition.
01:42:07.000And when they are shown By a proper leadership group, the right way to go, they will go along.
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01:46:27.000But the road to hell is paved with good intentions, but it's far past that.
01:46:31.000I talked about this 14 years ago, now it's mainstream news, that all babies at birth for 30 plus years, 37, 38 years, in all the Western nations have had their blood taken for a global DNA database.
01:46:41.000Now there's debate in Congress right now, this is a KTSM News Channel, this Katie Law, where everybody who basically gets arrested will have DNA taken.
01:46:53.000And a judge just ruled in Texas they're taking blood illegally without warrants for DWI's.
01:46:59.000They're having the police do it, and the police say they don't care, they're going to continue it.
01:47:03.000A judge in Texas said that these toll road cameras and speed cameras aren't constitutional because there's not an officer involved.
01:47:11.000I mean, there's just a real lawlessness we're seeing from government.
01:47:15.000You know, that particular aspect of lawlessness, this growing level of police state, really brutality that's involved, not simply they're fated to abide by court decisions or statutes or whatever, but actually brutalizing the people.
01:47:32.000If you revitalize the militia in a particular state, all of those police departments, sheriff's departments, state police, what have you, Would become subsets of the militia structure.
01:47:47.000And then they would be subject to discipline by the citizens in their own local communities.
01:47:52.000And I can guarantee you that within about a week after that had happened, all of that behavior would stop.
01:48:00.000Because the consequences to any particular police officer would be so horrendous that they wouldn't do it.
01:48:11.000And the media always frames this like that would persecute police.
01:48:14.000No, then the good cops would be put into positions of power instead of the bad ones being elevated.
01:48:20.000Now they're kicking the good cops out.
01:48:22.000Yeah, the bad ones would be weeded out very quickly.
01:48:24.000They'd be weeded out either because they'd be caught and disciplined and expelled or because they'd take a look at the situation and wouldn't want to take the risk and they'd try to find another job, you know, to go to Starbucks and serve coffee or what have you.
01:48:39.000You know, many years ago, I remember in New York City, when Lindsey was the mayor of New York City, there were complaints from the black community about the way the city police were dealing with those people, and it's very discriminatory and high-handed.
01:48:54.000They didn't use the term police state, but that's what they were talking about, police state fashion.
01:48:58.000And they wanted to set up, I think they did end up setting up a citizen's review board Well, that's essentially how a militia would operate as a huge citizen's review board because all of these uniformed militia members who were in the subset of the militia called the local police or the state police or what have you would now have to answer on a regular basis to the members of their own local militia companies and be subject to some kind of militia discipline
01:49:27.000If they had misbehaved in the performance of their duties as the uniformed service.
01:49:31.000Well we've got to go this way because it makes the public become independent and rugged again.
01:49:36.000What we're supposed to be instead of a bunch of cowards.
01:49:39.000I've told the story of a woman choking in a restaurant and no one was helping her and I had to push people aside to do the Heimlich as they like parrot said call 9-1-1 call 9-1-1 she would have been dead by the time they got there and it was I was weird because I saved the lady I mean, we have just become domesticated.
01:49:56.000Dr. Edwin Vieira writes for Newsreviews.com.
01:49:59.000Quickly, tell us about a few of the books you've written and how people can get them.
01:50:02.000Well, the latest one on the militia is called Constitutional Homeland Security.
01:50:08.000I have another one, an earlier book, Imperial Judiciary, which deals with the problem of judicial supremacy, which we talked about earlier.