Big Brother? Mainstream Media? Government Coverups? You want answers? Well, so does he. Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network and now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones is covering the possibility that the U.S. government abandoned American prisoners of war to the North Vietnamese. This might make Americans wonder if other so-called conspiracy theories, such as the theory of an inside job or false flag operation, might make people wonder if the assassination of Robert Kennedy was another cover-up.
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00:00:47.000Dr. Paul Craig Roberts quit doing his twice a week column and said he wanted to take some time off, but I knew, a fighter for liberty, I knew he wasn't going away.
00:00:56.000So I called him up a few months ago and I said, look, you can take some time for yourself, you're not going anywhere.
00:01:02.000Somebody that loves liberty can't control themselves.
00:01:05.000And so it's good to have him, but he has cut back on what he's been doing, but it's great to have him with us and I was glad to get an email from him.
00:01:12.000Pointing out, hey, look at how there's all this evidence that our government, now been declassified knowingly, many times has left POWs behind.
00:01:19.000Not just in Vietnam, not just Korea, but World War II.
00:01:22.000What does this say about the mindset of the elite?
00:01:25.000And so he wanted to come on and talk about that.
00:02:46.000The second scandal is that every administration since Richard Nixon's has continued to cover up.
00:02:56.000And the third scandal is that despite his high standing in journalism and all the prizes and the Pulitzer Prize and his high post at the New York Times, he was never allowed to write the story.
00:03:09.000And so it only came out in an out-of-the-way publication a year or two ago, about two years ago.
00:03:16.000Yeah, we actually interviewed the folks involved at the time.
00:03:19.000In fact, I think I even interviewed him.
00:03:38.000Yes, I think that now that we have definite proof from a very credible source, Sidney Schoenberg, that the United States government conducted a conspiracy since the 1970s to hide the fact that they abandoned American prisons of war to the North Vietnamese This is now proven.
00:04:03.000This might make Americans wonder if other so-called conspiracy theories are also true, such as the theory that 9-11 was an inside job or a false flag operation.
00:04:20.000It might make people wonder if the Warren Commission's account of Kennedy's assassination was just another cover-up.
00:04:32.000The same for Robert Kennedy's assassination.
00:04:35.000Well, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, stay there.
00:04:36.000When we come back, let's go through this Pulitzer Prize winner's piece, recap it, go through the piece, and then let's expand into the mindset of an establishment why they would do such a thing.
00:04:50.000We'll be right back with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts.
00:06:51.000Secure your copy today at InfoWars.com or see it online in the highest quality at PrisonPlanet.tv Hello, this is Alex Jones with some important questions.
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00:08:13.000You call it synchronicity, serendipity, I don't know, but back on Monday and Tuesday, I talked quite a bit about the fact that it was actually declassified.
00:08:26.000That 20 plus thousand, 21 and a half thousand or so US troops that were in Eastern European Nazi held POW camps and German camps were grabbed by Stalin.
00:08:37.000The US and England wanted to be buddies with Stalin.
00:08:40.000They divided up Eastern Europe and he was a thug and kept them for intelligence purposes and they just let him keep them.
00:08:47.000And a few years ago, that actually even came out in Russian newspapers.
00:08:50.000You know, old Americans, World War II vets, 80-plus years old, still alive in Russia.
00:08:56.000And it's been confirmed with Korea, it's been confirmed with Vietnam.
00:09:00.000We've had the families on, they've had congressional hearings that the media doesn't cover.
00:09:04.000They've had National Press Club meetings.
00:09:07.000But then when I got an email a few days ago from Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, father of Reaganomics, former head of Policy Department of Treasury under Reagan, former Wall Street Journal editor, Pointing out that he was going to write an article dealing with the fact that if it's a Pulitzer Prize winning New York Times editor for years isn't allowed to publish in a mainstream publication his research that's ironclad that this is all confirmed.
00:09:36.000I mean, it's ridiculous how confirmed it is.
00:09:49.000And, you know, the angle... And, of course, Roberts wasn't listening to me.
00:09:55.000He separately put two and two together, because we're all having these same understandings that if they'll leave our troops to die, or if they'll... It's like Doug Rocky I've had on.
00:10:03.000He was the head of the DU program for more than a decade.
00:10:06.000He wrote the handbooks for the Pentagon in the 80s.
00:10:09.000They knew DU would kill anybody, collectively, that breathed it.
00:10:15.000And they just, in the mid-90s, changed the rules and said it's now good for you, no problem, and the State Department says it's a conspiracy theory on their website if you say it's bad.
00:10:26.000I mean, they absolutely know, you breathe this, the particulate, the radiation, it's gonna kill you.
00:10:32.000I mean, it's gonna, you know, it may take a few years, but you're dead.
00:10:38.000This shows you the mindset, and I liken it, and we're going to Dr. Roberts, but I want to make this point, to chess being invented three and a half thousand years ago in northern India and what's Iran today.
00:10:52.000They debate who invented it, but it came from that area.
00:10:55.000And in it you have the gambit, the sacrifice of a pawn.
00:11:00.000That's a good move early on, you know, in basic chess.
00:11:02.000I'm not a good chess player, but I play some.
00:11:48.000That's why Special Forces people, before they graduate, they are given, for Delta Force level, they're given one night to read the prints by Machiavelli and then to write a paper.
00:12:00.000And if they say, I believe the end justifies the means, they go, you're the man we're looking for, you're now recruited.
00:12:04.000If they say, no, I won't kill children, this is now in an Army manual, declassified last year, what was leaked by WikiLeaks from 2004, where it talks about staging false flag terror attacks, one of the favorites is to kill children, blame it on a foreign enemy.
00:12:17.000Captains and above, and black ops are now taught this, and the argument is, well, we're fighting commies or we're fighting Muslims, they're going to kill more children if we don't kill a few, you know, for the overall good.
00:12:27.000And that's kind of the straight razor, you know, statement in Apocalypse Now, where Colonel Kurtz is talking about what he's had to do to win.
00:12:34.000And so this is the mindset of, you know, unjustifies the means.
00:12:39.000Now I'm going to shut up and have Dr. Paul Craig Roberts go over, you know, this two-year-old information.
00:13:03.000Well, let's first tell your listeners where they can read the account.
00:13:06.000It's now, it came out yesterday in the American Conservative, and so you'll have an account by the publisher of the magazine, you'll have an account by Schrandberg of why he was unable to tell the story, and then you have the story itself and the And the evidence.
00:13:27.000And then they have a few people discussing the story.
00:13:31.000Now, it's also, I think, this morning, it was all put up on antiwar.com.
00:13:37.000And I'm sure you'll have it up on your site.
00:13:41.000So that people can see that what was branded a conspiracy theory for several decades, By the government, by the media, by all the mainstream, the establishment, they got rid of the POW issue by calling it a conspiracy theory.
00:13:58.000It's now been proven beyond all doubt that the conspiracy theory was true.
00:14:03.000The POWs were abandoned and there was a cover-up by the United States government that continues to this day.
00:14:13.000It's just like The cover-up of the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty.
00:14:20.000This was said to have been some kind of an accident, a mistaken identity of the ship, and that's been covered up ever since the 1960s.
00:14:28.000So we do have government cover-ups, a government that commits great acts of evil.
00:14:36.000I mean, what's more despicable than abandoning your own POWs?
00:14:42.000And they could have got the POWs back.
00:14:48.000The North Koreans held back half of the prisoners, about 600 of them, in order to collect reparations for all the bombing the Americans had done to North Vietnam.
00:15:00.000And so they were willing to give the prisoners back if we would pay three or four billion dollars in ransom.
00:15:09.000And of course, by that time, Nixon was too weak to deliver the money.
00:15:23.000It wasn't possible for the next president to say, hey look, we can get, they do have our prisoners and we can get them back for a little bit of money.
00:15:33.000So once a lie is in place, everyone ends up defending it.
00:15:37.000Even the Reagan administration ended up defending the claim that all the prisoners were back.
00:15:44.000So here we see a government that lies through its teeth about its prisoners that it abandoned and could have gotten back for very little money.
00:15:56.000So why do we believe the government tells us the truth about anything?
00:16:02.000And why do we think the media would possibly serve the people by delivering the truth when they prevented Schramberg from ever publishing his account.
00:16:14.000I mean, he had to sit on this account for years and years until finally it got out in some out-of-the-way place.
00:16:20.000And now it's become news thanks to Ron Unce.
00:16:24.000Unce, the publisher of the American Conservative, who's making an issue out of it.
00:16:30.000And of course you've made an issue out of it.
00:16:34.000And so what I think might be hopeful about it is that it makes people see if the government will lie about this, they'll lie about 9-11.
00:16:44.000They'll lie about Kennedy's assassination.
00:16:47.000In fact, they lie about everything, don't they, Alex?
00:17:38.000And how this national security state basically does whatever they want, then imagine that, Dr. Roberts, for 38 years, from Australia to Canada, from England to the US, they take our blood to put it in a government database, and now they announce, guess what?
00:17:53.000We're going to have a global DNA database and we already have your blood.
00:17:56.000I mean, it's just, it's just everything is a conspiracy, basically.
00:18:00.000It does look that way, doesn't it, Alex?
00:18:19.000Expanding on that briefly, I mean, your point is well taken, and it's central.
00:18:23.000It's not just that they did this, it's the 30 years of cover-ups and not letting Pulitzer Prize winners ride on it, and now that story is as big as the P.O.W.
00:18:33.000story that you have a giant group of people in media and government who would work together to leave a bunch of men to die!
00:19:01.000It's got an iron grip on the government.
00:19:05.000And probably on government at most levels in most places.
00:19:09.000So it is a very serious situation and it remains to be seen if the people wake up or enough of them wake up.
00:19:16.000And if they do, whether they have the capability of doing anything about it or whether they are just going to be pawns that are continued to be sacrificed so that a very small group of elites who control the government can achieve some agenda of their own.
00:19:35.000Well, sir, let's continue and talk about how big this story is and how important it may be.
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00:25:05.000As you said, though, the fact that you have such a huge cover-up shows that they've got a lot of willing people that will be part of this evil.
00:25:17.000Talk about that, Dr. Roberts, but also, why would they want to lie and not get our troops back?
00:25:56.000Well, the specific examples are given by Schoenberg, and it's best for them to read.
00:26:02.000Now, to get to your questions, interestingly enough, there were two American defense secretaries, James Schlesinger, who was actually one of my graduate professors in economics, and Melvin Laird.
00:26:19.000Who both testified under oath to Congress that men were left behind.
00:26:24.000So even when two defense secretaries, and of course Melvin Laird was the Secretary of Defense during the Nixon period when the Vietnam War was wound down, so he certainly would know, and Schlesinger came not long after.
00:26:40.000So we have Two defense secretaries who did testify to Congress that men were left behind, but Congress didn't want to hear it.
00:26:49.000They didn't want to do anything about it.
00:26:51.000And there are a number of defense secretaries, as Schoenberg shows, who come into office who just immediately take up the lie.
00:27:01.000Because their notion is It's my career, I'm serving my career, and I'm not going to go against whatever the line is.
00:27:09.000And who cares if men are still rotting and being used as slaves, which has been confirmed.
00:27:14.000There's some still alive, being worked to death as slaves, and these fat, lazy, evil congressmen, just they're pigs.
00:28:16.000He couldn't deliver the money to get the prisoners back.
00:28:20.000And so he had to say we had them all back.
00:28:22.000The war's over and we have everybody back.
00:28:24.000He couldn't say, hey, the war's over and we've left all these people because he would be blamed, not the Washington Post, not those two reporters, Bernstein and Woodward, not the Congress.
00:28:38.000He would be blamed and he was already in terrible hot water about Watergate.
00:28:59.000Look how much evidence has come out after the 9-11 Commission report, which proves that the whole thing was Totally different than... You've just hit on the key there!
00:29:12.000I just had another epiphany, that's right!
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00:33:18.000And then anyone who discovers we're being lied to, from the source documents, from the witnesses, is called a conspiracy theorist.
00:33:27.000I want to bring up the fact that the Washington Post three days ago just came out in a headline about Saddam and a fake movie saying he was gay by the CIA, that they did make a video, a fake Bin Laden video.
00:33:40.000Or now they're suddenly everywhere admitting, okay, the troops helped grow the opium, because if we don't grow it, Al Qaeda will get it.
00:33:46.000So now they're just spinning everything, but admitting everything.
00:33:50.000So we'll talk to them about that, the economy.
00:33:53.000And a lot more, but I'm really glad he's out there promoting the fact that this huge cover-up of the Pulitzer Prize-winning report by a New York Times editor, with all of the absolute proof, you've got to go read the reports, of the fact that they... I mean, this is total proof.
00:34:12.000The government knowingly blocked it, knowingly shut it down, knowingly kept the public from knowing.
00:34:19.000I mean, this is confirmed, just like Gulf of Tonkin, or so many other things, Operation Ajax, you name it.
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00:35:37.000Before we get back into this story, Dr. Roberts, tell folks about your new book, because that is extremely informative.
00:35:44.000Well, that's how the economy was lost.
00:35:46.000That book explains how the elite destroyed the middle class jobs in order to further enrich themselves, and how they have dismantled the ladders of upward mobility, stopping the ability of people to rise in order to Put themselves in permanent control at the top and the other 99% of the population in poverty at the bottom.
00:36:20.000It shows how the end of the American middle class and the end of an opportunity society.
00:36:30.000Now Alex, let's get back to the story because you know one of the things That people always say when they're confronted with evidence that the government has lied or something, they would say, well, if there had been a real conspiracy, somebody would have talked.
00:36:51.000As I said earlier, two United States Secretaries of Defense talked and said in sworn testimony that people were left behind.
00:37:01.000Reagan's National Security Advisor talked.
00:37:06.000A leader of a Delta team, which twice was organized to go rescue the prisoners, only to be called off both times, has talked.
00:37:16.000All sorts of people have talked, so it doesn't do any good to talk.
00:37:20.000In the case of 9-11, we know, and have said so many times, there were over a hundred first responders who were in the towers.
00:37:29.000Firemen, policemen, building maintenance people.
00:37:33.000Well, Doc, as you say, I've interviewed police and firemen who we saw on the CNN video saying they're gonna blow it up, get it back.
00:37:47.000They weren't involved, they were just told get back.
00:37:49.000And Silverstein says we gave the order to pull it and watch it come down, and now a Fox News pundit Last month came out and said, yeah, I was there.
00:37:56.000We were talking about blowing it up with silver steam, but we decided not to because it fell on its own.
00:38:16.000Now, as for the cover-up, you know, obviously the Pentagon and the military are very interested in the cover-up because how many people would join up the military if they expected to have to fight if they knew the government would abandon them if they were captured?
00:38:34.000I mean, what kind of morale would the Army have, and the Marines, for example, and the Special Forces?
00:38:41.000Would they be all these gung-ho people out there if they were aware of the fact that if they get captured, they may simply be abandoned?
00:38:50.000And that when the war's over, they won't be repatriated, they'll just be left in the enemy's hands.
00:38:56.000So this is the reason for the cover-up, you see.
00:39:00.000There are many reasons affecting all parties.
00:39:04.000And what is also amazing is that the two chief celebrities who were prisoners of war, John McCain and John Kerry, Well, Kerry wasn't a prisoner of war, but he was controversial about Vietnam getting the Silver Star.
00:39:23.000So we have these two, and they're both instrumental in the cover-up.
00:39:27.000Both of them have done everything possible to prevent the truth from coming out, and not only that, but to lock up all the documents that reveal the truth.
00:39:42.000So, and McCain, of course, is notorious for browbeating all the witnesses, including the POW families.
00:39:50.000And Kerry went along with changes in the law that simply put, locked away somewhere forever, all the documents that prove the prisoners were abandoned.
00:40:05.000You can see the extent of the corruption and the evil.
00:40:43.000In fact, from some of the documents I've seen in research, this is a system of corruption They like to get the entire government, different power structures, involved in a huge cover-up because then later it can also be used to blackmail.
00:40:59.000And that's what special forces commanders and many others that we've talked to who've worked on this have said is that the North Vietnamese are blackmailing the federal government to this day because the federal government made that Exactly.
00:41:15.000to not get our troops out because they decided, okay, we'll pull out of there.
00:42:10.000Who, in the Great Depression, trying to rally people, gave them the idea, which they've had ever since, that the government is their protector.
00:42:21.000And it's going to put a chicken in every pot.
00:42:26.000And as we've talked about many times on your program, This was the line of the Bush-Cheney regime that, oh, we're going to take away all your civil liberties and destroy the Constitution in order to make you safe.
00:42:42.000And people just are gullible and they fall for it.
00:42:46.000And so it's not really hard for government to pull off things like 9-11 because all it has to do is give some kind of explanation and people believe it.
00:42:58.000They don't say, hey, the government did this.
00:43:18.000But, you know, perhaps, to repeat myself, the fact that this story is now getting out and getting some attention about the POWs Because that really touches at the heart of American patriotism, doesn't it?
00:43:32.000I mean, that really touches the flag wavers, the people who want to kill them over there before they come over here.
00:43:39.000It really cuts to the very heart of the most conservative people, the people who are most willing to go to war to achieve whatever the government says.
00:43:51.000If it turns out that the government has actually abandoned its own soldiers, Then it could possibly shake some of those people.
00:43:59.000It could possibly cause more skepticism among the public, and it could lead to the unraveling of other massive lies and conspiracies.
00:44:13.000Well, Dr. Paul Roberts, let me expand on that, because from my research, and I mean it's on record this happened, There was over 20,000 U.S.
00:44:23.000troops in German POW camps that were grabbed by the Russians.
00:44:29.000And by then, Roosevelt had died, and Harry Truman said, Stalin's our ally, and basically we're not going to get in a fight with him.
00:44:40.000They gave him half of Eastern Europe, they gave him half of Germany.
00:44:43.000That's the thing that made And now documents have come out on this.
00:44:49.000That's what caused Patton to have a complete conniption fit.
00:45:54.000They have ruthless agendas that feature themselves.
00:45:59.000And that is why democracy itself is no protection from a ruthless government.
00:46:07.000Well, that's why you've got to have the republic where the minority as well as the majority is protected.
00:46:11.000And I've done a general research of history.
00:46:13.000I don't claim to be a historian, but I read history books almost every day as my entertainment.
00:46:18.000That's how I actually got informed as an adolescent and a teenager was because I happened to pick up history as a form of entertainment, not knowing I was educating myself on the way the world works.
00:46:28.000But really starting our founding fathers, they weren't perfect, but there was Western expansion.
00:46:34.000They wanted to be left alone by the bigger mafia, the Crown, to build their own little systems.
00:46:40.000And so they created a system to restrain the avarice of King Rats, of the strongmen, And that's why this country produced half the world's wealth, only 4% of the population.
00:46:52.000So, one of the few times in history, the flower of the Renaissance, and now watching that being drugged down and being used as the engine of world tyranny, it's very frustrating.
00:47:08.000But if we can just keep making people aware that every American government since Nixon has covered up the abandonment of american prisoners of war you know we have this definitely proved in the case of vietnam and may well be proved in the case of the world war two prisons
00:47:33.000This should help bring the sort of most gullible flag-waving patrons to some realization that the government isn't trustworthy and it doesn't look after anyone's interests, not even the soldiers.
00:47:49.000are out there giving up their lives and limbs.
00:47:55.000They ask them to execute people in Afghanistan illegally, which then corrupts them.
00:48:00.000And then every time it comes out, like Abu Ghraib in Iraq, they then prosecute the people who, on record, were following the White House memos and orders.
00:48:09.000So it's not just that you'll be left behind.
00:48:11.000It's that you'll be used up and then scapegoated later because there's no honor among these thieves that run the system.
00:49:07.000It's a pathology in corrupt elites that they Their greatest glee is hanging their own attack dogs out to dry.
00:49:18.000Because if I was one of these evil people, but I guess I'm not evil so I can't understand it, I would at least defend my henchmen and my servants to have that servant group, my praetorian.
00:49:27.000But no, they treat their praetorian like toilet paper.
00:49:33.000Because they learned from the Romans that the praetorian can take over the ruler.
00:49:38.000So Stalin ends up killing his own heads of his secret police and his own colleagues in the Politburo because they know that no one has any integrity or morality and that they're all fair game for one another.
00:49:57.000So whoever strikes first and gets rid of the others is the survivor.
00:50:02.000And that's how the system ends up eating itself.
00:50:07.000But of course, we don't really care if the evil people eat each other up.
00:50:12.000What we're worried about is how they're destroying the rest of us who are not among their ranks.
00:50:19.000And this is the fact that the American people need to wake up to and that you keep telling them about every day.
00:50:28.000I mean, I've seen your transformation and research the last five, six years we've been talking to you, from saying they're just a bunch of nuts, a bunch of crooks, they don't know what they're doing, to saying, no, this is clearly by design, because all the evidence shows it is.
00:50:40.000I want to briefly talk about the economy with you and all these headlines.
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00:53:57.000All right, with us until 5 after the first little segment of the next hour is Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, then high-level CIA analyst, the man who briefed Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush every morning, key, quote, the man who briefed Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush every morning, key, quote, CIA White House That's what Fletcher Prouty did between the Pentagon and the CIA.
00:54:23.000Key person on what's happening in North Korea and Iran, joining us for the last 52 minutes of the next hour.
00:54:30.000Doc, for people watching on PrisonPlanet.tv, I'm going to give them a document cam shot of this.
00:54:35.000For radio listeners, the headline is, CIA Unit's Wacky Idea Depicts Saddam Hussein as Gay.
00:54:42.000And it's spy talk, Jeff Stein, you know, a little propagandist.
00:54:45.000But in the seventh paragraph, They just let it slip out.
00:54:51.000The agency actually did make a video purporting to show Osama Bin Laden and his cronies sitting around a campfire swinging bottles of liquor and savoring their conquests with boys.
00:55:02.000One of the former CIA officers recalled chuckling at the memory.
00:55:06.000The actors were drawn from some of the darker-skinned employees, he said.
00:55:10.000Now, I asked Dr. Roberts during the break, because I knew the answer, but I wanted to get his take just to see if he concurred.
00:55:18.000Why are they admitting they're growing opium in afghanistan and have our troops on tv saying they do it why are they uh...
00:55:23.000admitting you know saying that they kill the same al qaeda leader fourteen fifteen times never retract the last time they killed them uh...
00:55:30.000why are they now just admitting the bin laden tapes are fake and uh...
00:55:34.000he gave the answer that i agree with uh...
00:55:37.000dr roberts tell folks why well i think alix what they're doing is showing us that they're that they have immunity uh...
00:55:46.000that they can do whatever they want They can do it openly.
00:55:52.000And they can tell us that they commit crimes.
00:55:55.000And yet, they don't suffer any consequences.
00:55:58.000I think they're getting us accustomed and used to the fact that they can do whatever they want and even admit it!
00:56:06.000and that uh... we just have to sort of uh... not notice and accept the fact that they are unaccountable and can do whatever they want so i think you know it just makes you accept the culture of lies and it makes the people realize that they're powerless here's the government that lies to us and then admits it lies to us and then goes on and lies to us some more and then admits it some more
00:56:36.000And it's just kind of a way of showing the people that they don't count.
00:59:27.000And I'm so excited to be able to offer you, Don't Tread on Me, Rise of the Republic, Tyranny is upon us, but liberty and the sleeping giant that is the American people is rising.
01:02:29.000It's a far worse situation than in Europe, and yet it's the euro.
01:02:32.000So what it really is, it's a play of the New York Investment Banks and the hedge funds against the euro.
01:02:38.000And they're getting rich off of it, just like they got rich off of derivatives.
01:02:44.000Yeah, they looted us two years ago, and now they're looting Europe, and they're just like a group of carrion crows that fly around eating the flesh off our bones.
01:02:54.000And the media doesn't ever explain it.
01:02:57.000They just provide the free propaganda that keeps the money running into the hedge funds and the New York investment banks.
01:03:08.000A manual of British Naval War College documents on pirate accounts from the 16th, 17th, 1800s.
01:03:17.000And the way this elite behaves is kind of like pirates, where they just wildly wouldn't even pull the corks off whiskey bottles.
01:03:23.000They would just hack the tops off and just drink it down.
01:03:28.000So there's a method to the madness, Doctor, but overall do you agree that they're just complete out-of-control lunatics?
01:03:35.000Yes, and in fact I would even say pirates had more honor.
01:04:05.000uh... you'll see uh... massive uh... financial concentration which is probably another reason for all this trouble that's probably what they're trying to do is to get rid of the uh... of the large number of banks and just a few large ones you know it's it's the same thing they did to the media when they concentrated it in the hands of a few job firms so But nobody is going to tell the people.
01:04:32.000The Congress isn't going to hold those kind of hearings, and the press is not going to do any investigation.
01:04:38.000Well, Doc, good job on reporting on the huge breaking news of the POW cover-up, completely confirmed by a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist.
01:04:47.000We'll talk to you again soon, Lord willing.
01:09:01.000These tapes are basically all fake or old tapes of him re-edited.
01:09:04.000I want to ask Ray McGovern about that.
01:09:06.000We're going to get into, suddenly, New York Times, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, Fox News, Geraldo Rivera with the Marine Corps commander.
01:09:15.000We're here helping the Afghans grow the opium.
01:09:17.000We have to or al-Qaeda will get the opium.
01:09:20.000I mean, folks, they're really coming out in the open.
01:09:23.000Yeah, we put out fake Bin Laden tapes.
01:09:36.000Raymond Government was in Vietnam, by the way.
01:09:37.000So we're going to cover it all in the next hour with him today.
01:09:43.000Ray McGovern is an activist who writes and lectures all over the country.
01:09:47.000He's co-founder of Veterans Intelligence Professionals for Sanity, and we really appreciate him joining us.
01:09:54.000He was one of the chief CIA briefers for Reagan and Bush Sr., and that's a key position in a focal point position where you have Pentagon liaison to CIA, you have CIA liaison to White House.
01:10:09.000These focal officers like Fletcher Prouty and the Secret Team, again, have unique perspective on wide-ranging analysis and how it ties in, not just specialists.
01:10:20.000So they can draw on all the specialists, and so that's why it's such an important lens to have him on with us.
01:10:25.000So I've thrown out there, sir, what I want to cover with you in the next 50 minutes.
01:10:29.000You've got the floor with what, of that cornucopia, you think is most important in your breakdown on what we're facing.
01:10:47.000I was an Army Infantry Intelligence Officer from 62 to 64, before Vietnam really started.
01:10:54.000And while I was going on, I was the Principal Analyst at the CIA for Soviet policy toward Vietnam.
01:11:00.000So I learned quite a bit about it, but I never set foot in the country.
01:11:05.000With respect to what's going on here, the most important thing that's happening today is that David Obie, Chair of Appropriations in the House, is letting some lipstick go on the $33 billion appropriation for escalating war in Afghanistan.
01:11:26.000And that lipstick is $23 billion for teachers so that they don't lose their jobs.
01:11:35.000What he's done here is bowed to the Washington establishment that want to continue this war.
01:11:42.000It looks very much as though what he will report out of his committee this evening is a bill that includes $23 billion for teachers to keep the schools going and $33 billion for Afghanistan to keep that feckless war going and more and more people being killed.
01:12:03.000It's just, really, I was a former admirer of David Obie, and so I wrote him a memorandum that has appeared already on AfterDowningStreet.com.
01:12:13.000I guess it's now called WarIsACrime.org.
01:12:17.000And you can see that he's being completely disingenuous, because as recently as two months ago, he told a TV interviewer that, ah, this Afghanistan adventure, it's a fool's errand.
01:12:30.000But if we're going to do it, we have to pay for it.
01:12:35.000Now, what kind of logic does that make, Alex?
01:12:39.000It's a fool's errand, but if we're going to do it, we've got to fund it.
01:12:43.000Well, Ray McGovern, let me throw this out at you, and then you can expand on your concern with what's happening in Afghanistan expanding into Pakistan.
01:12:49.000But in layman's terms, I'm somebody who sits there and studies it for years, and so I want your perspective, and correct me if I'm wrong, you've got all these pipelines going through there, trillions in the aggregate of oil, hundreds of billions in no-bid contract black holes, so the defense lobby likes it, the oil lobby likes it, Israel likes it because, you know, that gets the U.S.
01:13:10.000more firmly burrowed into the Middle East and Central Asia.
01:13:15.000But more importantly, 500 billion a year, 91% now, it was a lot lower, of the opium pouring out into Russia, into Asia, kind of a replay of the Boxer Rebellion, Part 2.
01:13:28.000And now our troops are admittedly over there, quote, protecting the poppy fields.
01:13:33.000And so I think you've got, at least the contractors it's coming out, that's what Sybil Edmonds said pre-911, shipping the opium into Turkey, you name it.
01:14:03.000If you look at Afghanistan, you'll see that it's strategically located in the same neighborhood as China, as Iran, as Russia really, Turkey, Iraq.
01:14:14.000It's right there in the middle of things.
01:14:17.000And so the way the empire looks at things is, well, we've got to be in there firstest with the mostest.
01:14:25.000Even if it's mostly an attempt to deny the Chinese or the Russians or the Indians or whomever from getting in there before we were.
01:14:34.000Now, what makes Afghanistan strategic?
01:14:39.000Well, one of the things that makes it strategic is that it lies directly beneath a country called Turkmenistan, which used to be part of the Soviet Union, and Turkmenistan has in it Natural gas deposits worth all the oil under the sands of Iraq.
01:14:58.000Now, the problem is, Chevron's in there, a lot of the oil companies are in there, natural gas companies, but you can't get it here from there, okay?
01:15:07.000You gotta do a pipeline, and you can't have that pipeline go to Russia, you have to have it go south, and guess what?
01:15:15.000The next country is Afghanistan, and then Pakistan, and then a little slice of India, and at the terminal of this projected pipeline, all the studies were done and was ready to go, guess what?
01:15:27.000Enron was supposed to be the person marketing that natural gas, so the whole thing is as corrupt as can be.
01:15:34.000The Taliban visited Houston, Texas when Governor George Bush expressed interest in what was going on there with this pipeline.
01:15:44.000Our ambassador to Afghanistan and later to Iraq, Khalid Zard, was one of the people involved in this, and so was Karzai.
01:15:56.000Now I'm not saying that's the whole thing.
01:15:58.000The whole thing, the whole ball of wax involves the strategic location and what needs to happen here Alex, in my view, is pretty simple.
01:16:06.000There's a finite amount of oil, there's a finite amount of natural gas in this world Now, if we're going to try to seize it all or seize control of it, then Iraq can be looked on as simply the first resource war of the 21st century.
01:16:25.000What we have to do is what my four-year-old grandson learns in nursery school.
01:16:31.000I went up and I asked his teacher, what do you expect to teach these kids?
01:16:51.000They never went to this nursery school for sure.
01:16:53.000What has to happen is we get together with the Chinese, the Indians, and other people who need that oil and gas, figure out how to share it.
01:17:23.000Well, that was a company called BP, actually, which I think has been in the news lately.
01:17:29.000You get a corrupt a enterprise like British Petroleum, which controlled all the oil in Iran prior to the revolution in 53.
01:17:41.000And if you let them persuade you to overthrow the governments there, then as night follows the day, they will be filled with the uncontrollable hubris that they've demonstrated now in the Gulf of Mexico.
01:17:57.000And the people of the world, the simple people like you and me, Alex, have a real, real problem.
01:18:04.000And it's the same thing over and over again.
01:18:29.000He was asked just a half hour ago at his press conference, you know, do you feel a little funny about that decision you made two weeks before the oil blowup in the Gulf, when you said that, yeah, we have to drill offshore, and these companies, you know, have reduced the dangers greatly.
01:18:49.000And he said, well, I still think we have to drill offshore, but my mistake was taking the word of the companies.
01:18:59.000Well, for Pete's sake, of course they take the word of the companies.
01:19:04.000Look at the people that they had in the Interior Department, people who are still there, taking bribes and everything else from the oil companies.
01:19:15.000What Obama should have done is come in, got rid of all those people, given them jobs in the library if he couldn't fire them, and get some real, real control over these precious resources, despite the avarice and the desire of people like BP to control this important resource.
01:19:36.000Let's come back and get your breakdown of where you see Afghanistan and Pakistan going, and then to the West, what your intel is from all your sources.
01:19:56.000We'll talk about that and a lot more, plus the North Korea situation.
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01:23:58.000I can't wait to get into North Korea and see what Ray McGovern thinks about that.
01:24:10.000All I see is headlines everywhere about possible nuclear war and shelling Seoul and the disputed areas with the ships and China's in Bloomberg saying we may shield North Korea and the Pentagon saying they're ready for war.
01:24:27.000It's been a ceasefire for 50 plus years.
01:24:29.000Going back to Ray McGovern, this is a short segment, long segment coming up.
01:24:34.000When I interrupted you earlier with some other questions about why they're there, where do you see Afghanistan going?
01:24:40.000I mean, two weeks ago, they said a thousand drones are being dispatched for Pakistan and Afghanistan, and that now they don't have to identify somebody before they kill them.
01:24:50.000Just if you look like you're a terrorist, kind of like those kids in Baghdad in the minivan looked like terrorists, and reporters with cameras look like terrorists.
01:24:58.000I mean, this sounds like an incredible escalation.
01:25:05.000Well, funny you should mention that, Alex, because I was thinking of this wonderful new airplane, aircraft, that had been developed around then.
01:25:38.000You know, having known about the effect of aircraft in World War II and knowing that it simply increases the resistance of populations like the Vietnamese, and we waited two days and then we gave them an estimate.
01:25:53.000We used to do national intelligence estimates.
01:25:55.000Now they're not done very much anymore.
01:25:57.000And we told the president, look, Mr. President, Ho Chi Minh is not the kind of person who's going to give up under how many B-52s or how heavy the bombs they drop.
01:26:08.000And besides, Mr. President, you should be aware that the Ho Chi Minh Trail doesn't look anything like, ooh, I-81 or I-95 or the George Washington Memorial Parkway.
01:26:20.000You can't even see it from the air in many respects.
01:26:49.000Which, most people don't realize, Alex, and I knew about this when it was being developed, it was developed for a specific purpose, and that purpose only, and that was to give us a hovering capability where we could monitor developments on the ground more than two times a day, two times a day being when the satellites would pass over these areas, okay?
01:27:11.000Now, we got this thing developed, it worked beautifully, and then it was shown to some general in the Pentagon, and he said, I want to see the tank!
01:27:25.000Therefore, you get predators, you get reapers with Hellfire missiles, and you get an awful lot of disenchantment and hostility out of the people in Pakistan in particular that are being bombed to hell by these things.
01:27:41.000It's looked on as a very cowardly thing.
01:27:44.000That's right, at a primitive level, having like Terminator machines out of the sky bombing you, and it's literally 22 year old zit-faced kids in trailers, thousands of miles away, in a video game setup, and go ahead, you got a wedding, we think Well, some guy's got a gun in there.
01:28:03.000Everybody's got guns in those countries.
01:28:05.000I mean, it's a tribal, you know, red-blooded type area.
01:28:08.000And they, you know, they kill a hundred innocent people.
01:28:10.000Now you've created a thousand enemies because their entire family and every cousin they've got who may have loved America back in the 80s, they're ready to kill.
01:28:19.000They're ready to trade their life to kill Americans.
01:28:21.000And so the idea is pump more Americans in.
01:28:49.000You can really find out who the Taliban and the al-Qaeda types are by asking their neighbors who have these, asking people's neighbors who have unsatisfied grudges against them.
01:29:02.000The targets are the name of the game, and if you get targets, From people who have grudges, or from 22-year-olds looking from 30,000 feet up, you've got a real problem.
01:29:15.000What really tells, what I find really telling, Alex, is these Reapers and these Predators, interesting the labels they give these aircraft, they're controlled by these young NCOs out at Creech Air Force Base near Las Vegas, Stay there, sir.
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01:33:23.000We'll go back to him in just a moment.
01:33:24.000We're going to get into North Korea with him and the situation with Iran, which to me is even scarier, the whole Iran situation.
01:33:32.000A quagmire is one thing, and it can get a lot of troops killed and waste a lot of money, but war with Iran, in my layman research, looks even worse.
01:33:42.000So we'll discuss that in a moment with our guest.
01:35:58.000The wife says, well, how did things go at work today?
01:36:02.000They can't quite say, well, we killed, you know, we shot Hellfire missiles at 30 groups and we're not real sure.
01:36:11.000So, long story short, these chaplains are actually being visited regularly by these poor NCOs who are ordered to do this kind of thing and have it on their conscience, to their credit.
01:36:22.000The other guys, now the other guys, the ones in Langley, Virginia, who are working for the CIA, they're the ones that have the joysticks there, and they're the ones that fly over Pakistan.
01:36:43.000People who identify these targets, either from people who may have grievances grievances against this particular village, or people who think they see militants, whatever they look like, as distinguished from wedding parties, from 30,000 feet.
01:37:02.000So, you know, the whole thing is an indication of a lack of leadership in the military of our country, as well as the political side, because you can't win a war this way.
01:37:16.000All you can do is alienate the affections of people.
01:37:19.000And what I keep telling people is that in Pakistan, if you take the population of Pakistan, 165, 170 million, okay?
01:37:32.000And the population of Afghanistan, Iran, and Iraq put together.
01:37:37.000Besides, of course, Pakistan has nuclear weapons.
01:37:41.000Now, which, I would ask you, which country should be the most important not to alienate the population in?
01:37:48.000Well, sir, we've seen Pakistani leaders, and we've got an article up on InfoWars.com that's got the newscast and even ABC News, with Pakistani leaders saying, look, your government is running a lot of the Taliban and Al Qaeda, and they're using it to destabilize our country, and you know, and that's what Hamid Ghul, who I
01:38:09.000He was bizarrely contacted by a year and a half ago when he came on this show, and it made national news when he did, and he said that they're killing these tribal groups to actually get them up in arms, and that's what Gerald Salenta, the Trends Forecaster, says.
01:39:59.000We're never going to persuade them of that.
01:40:01.000And so this thing will just keep going and going.
01:40:03.000And the worst news, of course, is that our congressional people, even the good ones like Dave Olby, have now caved again.
01:40:11.000And it looks like there will be an escalation to the tune of $33 billion, and that will buy many more months of killing and war.
01:40:20.000People can go to Common Dreams website and others and read your new article.
01:40:24.000Give folks that title again one more time, Ray.
01:40:27.000Well, it's a letter to David Obie, who is the head of appropriations.
01:40:31.000It's a memo that says, look, you know, you called Afghanistan a fool's errand.
01:40:39.000And then you said, Yeah, but we have to fund it.
01:40:42.000That doesn't make any logical sense, Dave.
01:40:45.000What's really going on here, and what's really going on here, is he's out of there in January.
01:40:50.000He wants to not alienate the affections of the Washington establishment, and he's letting go to the House.
01:40:57.000A bill that will include enough lipstick, namely the $23 billion for teachers, so that the $33 billion for Afghanistan war will go through.
01:41:10.000And he can call me an idiot liberal, or that's what he calls some of my friends, but what I'm telling him is that he's in terrible disappointment because he should have stood his ground and not confessed to being, quote, bone tired.
01:41:25.000And again, Ray, this has nothing to do with liberal-conservative.
01:41:55.000Is the exit strategy never leave like Germany or Japan or South Korea?
01:42:00.000I mean, is the exit strategy quagmire?
01:42:04.000Well, I asked Hanid Zade, our former ambassador in Afghanistan, he's actually an Afghan.
01:42:10.000I asked him at a RAND conference two months ago, I said, you know, you don't say much about the oil pipeline anymore or the natural gas pipeline to Afghanistan.
01:42:21.000You were in on that from the beginning.
01:42:23.000And he thought for a second and he said, Well, you know, with all the violence and all the fighting there along the pipeline route, we can't possibly build it right now.
01:42:39.000I wasn't allowed a follow-up, but my follow-up was going to be, oh, so that's why we're there, to put down the violence, to get the Taliban out of there, and then clear a path for the oil and gas pipeline.
01:43:11.000I mean, as you know, you've studied it more than most out there.
01:43:14.000Nobody's ever been able to successfully continually conquer these people.
01:43:18.000I mean, can you just briefly sum up in maybe two minutes the mindset of these tribal groups, these Pashtuns and others in Afghanistan and in areas of Pakistan?
01:43:29.000Because from my layman research and what every other analyst going back 400 years, people who fought there have said is the more you kill them, the more they fight, just like Americans used to be.
01:43:41.000I mean, you know, what happened with the British here?
01:43:43.000I mean, that's what any red-blooded group is going to do.
01:44:10.000And they have this strange resistance to invaders coming into the country.
01:44:15.000And they have the benefit of these huge mountains and very vulnerable valleys.
01:44:21.000And so, going back 2,500 years, Alex, to Alexander the Great, Who is the first of about seven big countries trying to conquer Afghanistan.
01:44:33.000They've been able to, the tribal leaders have been able to block that.
01:44:39.000And what I tell people is, you know why they call Alexander the Great?
01:44:44.000Well, they called him the great because he was sensible enough to look at the height of those mountains, to look at the casualties he was already taking on his flanks from these, quote, militants, and turn around and say, this wasn't a good idea.
01:44:57.000I'm going back to Asia Minor where I can outlast all this.
01:45:02.000From him, since him, you have the Indians, you have the Persians, you have the Mongolians under Genghis Khan, you have the British, you have the Russians, and now the Americans are going to succeed where all those didn't.
01:45:22.000A meat grinder they feed troops into, and out of it comes oil pipelines and opium.
01:45:28.000Well, I'm hopeful that the American people, you know, if they listen to people like us, finally, I think, I have a basic faith in the American people.
01:45:36.000They're good sense, and I think there's a limit to what they will tolerate.
01:45:40.000The big challenge, of course, Alex, and the reason I come on your show and applaud what you're doing is that you're one of the few people that tell it like it is.
01:45:50.000You're not under the fawning corporate media, and that's what we need.
01:45:54.000We need people to listen and then act.
01:45:56.000And I think action is necessary right now.
01:45:59.000Well, again, for those who just joined us, I'm not heaping laurels on you, sir, but people need to know you've been right.
01:46:04.000A full year and a half before it came out with Cy Hirsch and New Yorker Magazine, it was confirmed that Cheney wanted to paint up patrol boats blue and have Navy SEALs attack our own ships, and that was confirmed.
01:46:17.000Bush, of all people, said, no, we're not doing that.
01:47:01.000You know, back through Georgia, against South Ossetia on 888, and that Cheney wanted to go ahead and have nuclear war.
01:47:08.000I mean, that really shows these are completely unstable people, like Curtis LeMay or somebody.
01:47:15.000And so, that mindset, has that carried over into Obama?
01:47:18.000Because when I see him out there, at least at some levels, supporting Israel and Netanyahu, saying they may hit Iran, can you speak to the mindset in the Pentagon?
01:47:28.000Is any of this Cheney stuff left there?
01:47:31.000Versus what's going on in the White House now, and then how that posture, the posture you believe from your research is there, how that's going to affect what goes on in Iran and now North Korea.
01:47:46.000Well, Iran, I think, is the most pressing issue.
01:47:50.000It's the one that the President has most difficulty with because the pressure from what is called the Likud lobby, how the people call it, the Israel lobby, is immense.
01:48:03.000And that's been demonstrated recently by a whole string of events.
01:48:07.000Dennis Blair, a former four-star admiral who headed up the national intelligence setup in our country, was canned last week.
01:48:17.000Well, there were a bunch of misadventures with not catching potential terrorists, but the basic reason, in my view, that he was canned was that he had the temerity, 15 months ago, to appoint a person to be the chief analyst in our government, the chief intelligence analyst, a person named Chas Freeman,
01:48:37.000Who made the very bad mistake of saying publicly that he thought Palestinians also had rights as human beings in addition to Israelis.
01:48:48.000Now, what happened was he was appointed by Dennis Blair.
01:49:29.000He doesn't react with knee-jerk solidity to the interests of Israel.
01:49:35.000And so Blair had to go back to Freeman and say, you know, I'm going to have to ask you to ask me to withhold your nominee, to reverse your appointment.
01:49:56.000I've seen a lot of stuff in my 50 years in Washington, but never before have I seen the Israel lobby or any other lobby derail an appointment that had already been made In the bowels of the intelligence community.
01:50:09.000Now, to the extent... So you're saying Israel's got pull that our government doesn't even have?
01:50:24.000Which would have resulted in about 70% of their low-enriched uranium being shipped out of the country for reprocessing for their medical reactor.
01:50:51.000I'll see if I can twist your arm to stay five into the next hour so we have at least ten minutes of air time to finish up on Iran and briefly North Korea.
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01:55:02.000And then, C, what will happen if we do attack?
01:55:06.000Well, to address your last point first, Alex, it would be a catastrophe if we and or the Israelis attacked Iran.
01:55:17.000Among other things, they have the option of closing the Strait of Hormuz.
01:55:22.000to which about a third of the traded oil goes through for the world.
01:55:30.000And talk about a recession, well, it would throw the world into a tailspin given the dependence on oil.
01:55:37.000The situation right now is highly interesting.
01:55:41.000The bottom line is that the Israel lobby has shown its power once again.
01:55:46.000And, now get this, this is the important conclusion, at least from my analysis.
01:55:53.000Neither Israel nor the United States is terribly worried about a nuclear weapon in Iran.
01:56:01.000If they were, They would have welcomed this new tripartite deal between Brazil, Turkey, and Iran, which provides for half, fully half, of the low-enriched uranium to go out of country into Turkey.
01:56:16.000Now, that's the uranium that would have to be refined to a higher degree to make a bomb.
01:56:22.000So, if half of Iran's uranium is going out of country for a whole year, wouldn't you think that the Israelis and the U.S.
01:56:48.000What we're going to do is sanctions in the UN, and we're persuaded the Russians and the Chinese, and we're going to just get these guys.
01:56:54.000Well, you know, that's really interesting, because you know what?
01:56:58.000The President of the United States encouraged the head of Brazil and the head of Turkey to work out this deal.
01:57:07.000And we have that in a letter from President Obama.
01:57:10.000You won't find this in the New York Times, by the way, but if you look in the Sao Paulo press there in Brazil, you'll see the text of a letter from the president of the United States which says to the president of Brazil, from our point of view, a decision by Iran to send half of its low-enriched uranium abroad a decision by Iran to send half of its low-enriched uranium abroad would generate confidence and reduce regional tensions by cutting
01:57:34.000So we're about to break, but to interrupt, correct me if I'm wrong, basically it's showing there's a fight going on inside the Obama administration and that they were trying to do something reasonable, but somebody else has come in and said, uh-uh.
01:57:45.000Yeah, that's not going to wash in November, they said, because the lobby will object to that.
01:57:54.000And you won't find it in the New York Times, will you?
01:57:56.000But that's the text of the President's letter to Brazil.
01:57:59.000And Hillary Clinton and the other neocons, and those particularly susceptible to influence from the Likud lobby, have put the kibosh on what should be a very, very favorable, very encouraging development, namely for Iran to ship half of its uranium out of country.
01:58:18.000So we're coming back with only five more minutes.
01:58:21.000Just fast when we come back, what's the game plan then?
01:58:27.000And anything that will make Ahmadinejad look more reasonable, or make Iran look better, they're against, because they don't care about the uranium, they care about regime change.
01:58:38.000We'll talk about North Korea coming up.
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02:01:23.000and why the Israelis would not welcome the shipping out of half of Iran's uranium for reprocessing elsewhere is because they don't care about that.
02:01:33.000They care about regime change, and what they're trying to do is get that to happen largely through a lot of covert action, support of disparate groups within Iran, now openly acknowledged by the New York Times.
02:01:46.000article yesterday, and that's what put the kibosh on the last deal.
02:01:50.000In October, Jundala, one of the militant dissident, actually insurgent groups in Iran supported by Israel, us, UK, and Pakistan, killed five senior Iranian Revolutionary Guards generals, and that's what killed five senior Iranian Revolutionary Guards generals, and that's what put the kibosh on the last deal.
02:02:11.000Now, it's interesting to see that The New York Times is advertising the same kind of activity now.
02:02:16.000We'll see how hard Israel and the United States tries to put the kibosh on this deal, which really should go through and would obviate the necessity.
02:02:26.000So they're moving us towards war, doing everything they can to sabotage a peace process, and this will go down in history either way.
02:02:37.000Well, you know, Alex, it's really interesting, because we don't have the whole story on what happened.
02:02:41.000It looks pretty sure that a North Korean torpedo did hit this South Korean ship, but the details have not been released.
02:02:51.000They may give it to the Russians and the Chinese, but not to us.
02:02:54.000The problem is that there's an armistice, there's not a peace agreement, and there are disputed territories.
02:03:00.000There are North Korean and South Korean fishermen fighting over crabs every year, and this is the season.
02:03:07.000And there are South Korean ships and North Korean ships, both killed or sunk in 1999.
02:03:15.000A North Korean ship went down with 30 killed and 70 wounded.
02:03:19.000So unless they get that shoreline and that international boundary delineated, this is going to keep happening.
02:03:27.000So this should not be blown out of proportion and still less should Hillary Clinton use the same language used by Dean Acheson back in 1950 that this is, quote, "unprovoked aggression," end quote.
02:03:40.000It may be a provocation, it may be retaliation, we just don't know yet.
02:03:45.000But we know Kim Jong-il looks like a scarecrow, looks like death warmed over, so anytime we could see a collapse of the regime, and who knows how that'll go, so it's another powder keg.
02:03:57.000No one really knows what's going on within that country, and so it's really hard to guess as to what the motivation might have been, other than the normal sort of jousting, the normal trying to head off ships from the other country.
02:04:14.000Well, that's good news to hear that you're not as concerned about North Korea as the media has been hyping it to be.
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02:08:05.000Arizona's new immigration statute authorizes law enforcement authorities to check the citizenship of anyone they believe may be in the country illegally.
02:08:14.000Now listen to the question before you boo.
02:08:18.000Critics say this may amount to racial profiling.
02:08:23.000Do you think that this should be mandated by the state or by the federal government?
02:08:30.000I'm a huge believer in states' rights.
02:08:32.000I think that's what's so wonderful about America.
02:08:35.000So I think it's perfectly fine for Arizona to create that law.
02:08:47.000And I am against illegal immigration, but I'm also against racial profiling.
02:09:01.000I don't watch a lot of television, but when I am watching the news and I see highlights of it, I'm obviously red-blooded, so my eyes are trained like a wolf looking at a, you know, a... But the issue here is that I happened to be up here while this was live, turned on the television, and saw all the ladies come out.
02:09:31.000And it's great to see her so informed about the Bill of Rights and Constitution and Ninth and Tenth Amendment versus Miss Teen South Carolina, who literally didn't even know what planet she was on.
02:09:44.000But I didn't know I was watching controversy when I happened to, you know, watch 30 minutes of it that evening because I didn't continue to watch to see the final judging and then I discovered and the news reported she may have lost because she didn't answer that politically correct.
02:10:00.000You heard the The judge asked about the Arizona law and he said, well wait, don't boo yet.
02:10:08.000And then she got this big standing ovation that I would say was five, six, seven times louder than the boos.
02:10:14.000And we'll play it again coming up just to have it on record.
02:10:32.000But to really pick her brain, because there's nothing like beauty and brains altogether, is Morgan Elizabeth Woolard, the runner-up, second place in Miss USA.
02:11:11.000I mean, because all we see is the limited cuts.
02:11:14.000I mean, did somebody say something to you after you answered that way?
02:11:17.000Or did you ever get word like, ooh, that was a screw-up, you should have called for world government, or you should have called for us turning our guns in?
02:11:25.000Well, I mean, they don't speak to you at all afterward about, you know, how you answered your question, but I think afterward, of course, the media definitely brought that to my attention and were wondering, simply from the scoring, you know, I was actually ahead the entire competition until then, and of course, having judges in the entertainment industry, which is predominantly liberal, they do question whether it hurt my chances or not.
02:11:52.000Yeah, that's a key statistics that Fox News did cover, and Miss Oklahoma named first runner-up in Miss USA pageant after answering immigration question.
02:12:03.000I mean, where there's smoke, there's fire.
02:12:05.000And I don't... I mean, I talked to you earlier, you don't want to be somebody who's a sword loser, but if you were ahead and then suddenly you got behind, I mean, that is suspicious.
02:12:21.000With me, I just kind of have to have a positive perspective and, you know, when you work so hard for something, the last thing you want to think of is the way you answered your question, is what did you win.
02:12:31.000And so, I just choose not to flagellate my mind with anything condemning like that and, you know, not be a sore loser or victimize myself, but rise above it and be happy for Rima and just move on to the next chapter of my life.
02:12:46.000Well, she is obviously intelligent and lovely as well, but I think you are the clear winner.
02:12:51.000And again, the entire time, thank you, you were ahead until you didn't answer the thing politically correct.
02:12:57.000And, you know, the issue is, tell us about the rules, because I'm not an expert on this.
02:13:01.000In fact, I'm ignorant on this subject.
02:13:05.000Do the judges tell you, if I don't agree with your politics, I'm going to vote against you?
02:13:09.000Because, you know, we need to know if it is rigged.
02:13:13.000I mean, I understand you don't want to go there, but this is quite an issue.
02:13:18.000Well, I don't think the USDA system is quite as transparent with their judging criteria and how the whole process goes.
02:13:28.000But I believe once you get to the top five, or I think even through 15, 10 to 5, they erase the scores entirely and it starts all over again.
02:13:37.000And so once you do make top five and answer a question, you have a final look and I believe they rank you after that.
02:13:45.000And so, you know, it could be they liked her personality better.
02:14:20.000Dad just was not on the cards for me, and I was blessed to even compete for such a prestigious title, so first runner-up is quite the honor.
02:14:28.000Well, you know, I'm really proud of you and so are my listeners.
02:14:31.000We got a lot of fan mail for you here at the office.
02:14:34.000People just calling in and emails just when we played the clip saying, wow, this is wonderful, especially in Oklahoma, your home state, where you are, Miss Oklahoma, because people appreciated you not going with the politically correct answer.
02:14:48.000Because that's what really is valuable, is telling the truth, standing up for what you believe in.
02:14:53.000And so, you know, that made you the winner overall when it came to defending this republic.
02:15:09.000And that's what makes it even more difficult, I think.
02:15:11.000You know, this is such a hot-button issue that is on our TVs, you know, 20 hours of the day, and I have 20 seconds to sum it up.
02:15:21.000That is not the easiest thing in the world.
02:15:24.000And I think I'd also like to clarify, which I don't think a lot of people realize, is they didn't ask me whether I was for or against the law.
02:15:33.000They asked me whether I felt it should be, you know, state or federal.
02:15:38.000And I firmly believe in states' rights.
02:15:41.000I think a state should be allowed to mandate rules and regulations as they see fit.
02:15:46.000I love that we can put power in the hands of the people, and I fully support that.
02:15:54.000Well, on top of it, Napolitano, the head of Homeland Security, last week in congressional testimony, being questioned by John McCain, said, I haven't read the Arizona bill.
02:16:27.000So what's your take on them commenting on something they haven't read?
02:16:31.000Well, I certainly think that's an issue.
02:16:36.000I think, you know, before you believe in something, If you're formally against something, you should know what all that bill entails and what is within it.
02:16:46.000So, I think that is certainly an issue.
02:16:52.000Well, listen, while you're here on air, we've got you till about 45 after.
02:17:16.000Well, you know, if I think there was one thing that I could set the record straight with, it would just be that I'm one who does not want to victimize myself.
02:17:23.000But anything else you want to set the record straight about?
02:17:25.000Well, you know, if I think there was one thing that I could set the record straight with, it would just be that I'm one who does not want to victimize myself.
02:17:35.000I think a lot of promos in the media are saying, Miss Oklahoma lost her crown because of what she said.
02:17:41.000And, you know, truthfully, yes, it was a volatile question, and it was doomed for a polarizing answer.
02:17:48.000But I really don't want to victimize myself necessarily.
02:17:52.000Miss USA wasn't a do-or-die situation for me.
02:17:55.000It would have been an incredible honor to represent the USA system and Donald Trump and my country, but You know, that didn't work out for me, and being scholastically and professionally active, I know that I have great things coming in life regardless, and so I just want people to know I'm not bitter, I am not a victim, and that I'm going to do good things with my life regardless of the crown.
02:18:20.000Well, I honor that, and I know my listeners do, so you're being a great sport about it.
02:18:26.000I think people who do think that that question was wrong and do think that you were penalized, I think in future, the fans of Miss USA should put their input in about the transparency of the judging rules so that the young ladies know what they're going into.
02:19:03.000The USA System, it goes on to Miss Universe, and because of that, it's the most prestigious pageant in the world.
02:19:12.000And so, I've kind of already competed as far up as I can go.
02:19:16.000And so if I wanted to compete, there are other There's Miss World, there's Miss International, and there's of course Miss America, who has the talent portion.
02:19:26.000And so, you know, I'm open-minded to that, but I think at this point in my life, I'm ready to move on and pursue my career and finish my education and that kind of thing.
02:19:37.000I don't completely shut it out, but at this moment in time I don't think I'll be competing Well, that's great.
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02:24:13.000Americans are unable to do so because some people out there in our nation don't have that and I believe that our education, like such a Thank you Miss South Carolina.
02:24:30.000And I believe that they should, our education over here in the U.S. should help the U.S. or should help South Africa and should help Iraq and the Asian countries.
02:24:42.000So we will be able to build up our future.
02:25:24.000God bless her and it's, you know, it's not easy being up there in front of millions of people and lights in your face, you know, and possibly becoming a potential YouTube moment.
02:25:35.000There's a lot going through your brain, so you gotta give her some credit for at least putting herself out there and, you know, doing her best, right?
02:25:45.000I'm just saying, comparing her to you, it is night and day.
02:25:50.000Now, during the break, I brought up Carrie Prejean, if I'm pronouncing that right.
02:25:56.000I vaguely remember last year, the big controversy, where she said, my parents brought me up to be pro-family, and marriage is an institution that deals with that.
02:26:09.000I get asked about a lot of that, and you told me privately your views on it, but it's such a hot issue, so putting it as nicely as you can, I mean, you were explaining the parallel of even if you basically were dissed for answering the question the way you were, you don't want to be seen as basically running with it or milking it?
02:26:32.000Well, you know, I think a lot of people have been comparing me to Carrie Prejean or saying I'm the next Carrie Prejean because it is kind of ironic.
02:26:42.000You know, she gets the gay marriage question, I get the legal immigration question.
02:26:46.000We both gave fairly conservative answers, are pretty blondes, then end up first in a rep, right?
02:26:52.000Um, so there are definitely some comparisons there, but I just didn't want to victimize myself.
02:26:59.000I felt she kind of melts her time in the media Just for being controversial and I just didn't want people to see me as the same or victimize me or anything along those lines if that makes sense.
02:27:14.000But I mean every year now it's about politics, people losing who are the runner-ups because they have conservative or constitutional or traditional values.
02:27:25.000I think Donald Trump needs to get the politics out of this because the message to people is You know, if you don't have the right political view, it's not how talented or how beautiful or how dynamic you are.
02:27:36.000You know, this is political correctness.
02:27:38.000And I think, frankly, I think it was political correctness.
02:27:41.000I mean, I think the Lebanese woman is bombshell beautiful.
02:27:45.000But I don't think she was in the top five.
02:27:47.000I mean, I happened to, again, just catch about 20 minutes of it.
02:27:51.000It was pure torture, of course, while I was drinking coffee after my Sunday show.
02:28:11.000That's the reason you were in the leadership role.
02:28:14.000And if you'd have said, I'm against Arizona, I love open borders, I love world government, I love crime, it would have been bong, bong, bong, you know, jackpot, you're the winner.
02:28:26.000You know, again, I would hope that's not the case, but you're actually correct, actually.
02:28:32.000Rima, while she is stunningly beautiful, if you average some evening gown, I think she was actually in seventh place.
02:28:42.000And so, you know, winning, I'm so proud of her, and I think it's awesome that she's Arab American, and I think that's, you know, a great, neat thing for our country, but It is a little disappointing for me, you know, when you want something so badly and...
02:29:32.000Rima, honestly, she's got the funniest, goofiest personality, and I really think that she just won him over in her interview, because she's just such a relatable... Miss Oklahoma, stay there.
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02:35:03.000There's a lot of anchors on television like Peter Jennings that don't have degrees.
02:35:10.000And I would strike while the iron's hot.
02:35:11.000You can always go back to college, but right now you're smart, you're talented, you're well-spoken, you're beautiful.
02:35:18.000I would get into the media and I would take every opportunity you've got right now.
02:35:22.000Because I'm not bashing college and education, that's fine and dandy.
02:35:26.000It's just that Bill Gates, Rush Limbaugh, if you look at the statistics, over 90% of the top CEOs, media people, you name it, didn't go to college or quit college because they were already go-getters.
02:35:37.000By 20 years old, halfway into college, they already had opportunities.
02:35:54.000Because you could argue, due to that controversial question and your controversial answer for some, you almost got more attention than the lady that won Miss USA.
02:36:02.000So at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if they stole the crown from you, because you still win!
02:36:06.000Yes, you know, it really is a win-win situation.
02:36:11.000I'm incredibly blessed, and I'm, again, so grateful for all these opportunities.
02:36:18.000So, you're getting a lot of offers right now.
02:37:48.000That you need to take advantage of things while they're hot and, you know, when they're in front of you, you gotta grab them, otherwise life might, you know, pass you by.
02:37:56.000When things are hot in front of you, you gotta grab them.
02:38:01.000That's a good quote from Miss Oklahoma.
02:38:22.000Well, before we go to Eric, Chris, Mike and others with Miss Oklahoma, the Patriot, who we just love to death, give us some of your other views on the Second Amendment.
02:38:33.000Have you heard all these world leaders calling for global government and that we need to have the private central banks running things?
02:39:20.000By that, do you mean giving the government more power?
02:39:22.000Well, you've got Ban Ki-moon, the Secretary General of the UN, Herman Van Rompuy, the head of the EU, the outgoing Prime Minister of England, Gordon Brown, Al Gore.
02:39:31.000The heads of the G20 are calling for a global government to set worldwide taxes.
02:39:37.000And I was just asking if you were concerned about that.
02:39:42.000I've always been for limited government.
02:39:47.000Being able to be your own keeper and having self-government and, you know, making something of yourself and not relying too much on the government for that.
02:39:55.000And so, I'm definitely against big government in the world.
02:40:03.000Well, I tell ya, I wish you were Miss USA.
02:40:05.000Somebody to really represent our country.
02:41:49.000You lost the pageant, but you kept your integrity, and that's what matters at the end of the day, and you'll be rewarded.
02:41:56.000God will open bigger doors for you, because you didn't sell out.
02:42:00.000That's what's always happened with me.
02:42:01.000I've been fired, you name it, before for not compromising, and it's just every time I do the right thing, it's just doors open up everywhere.
02:42:55.000They've got legislation introduced where citizens can be secretly arrested.
02:42:59.000We're seeing in universities, I don't know about Oklahoma, but more and more censorship of libertarian or conservative political viewpoints.
02:43:22.000Well, I think that kind of goes along with what we were speaking about earlier.
02:43:26.000It's giving the government too much power.
02:43:28.000And, you know, I don't want our freedoms to be taken away.
02:43:31.000I don't want our liberty to be taken away.
02:43:34.000I think those things is exactly what makes America, America.
02:43:39.000And just being able to govern yourself and, you know, not having, like I said, the government controlling too many aspects of our lives, I definitely think there's a point where they need to step back and give us our freedom again.
02:43:55.000Absolutely, and we've got to step up and take them back.
02:43:58.000Did you hear of the debate with Lou Dobbs and others about the North American Union, SPP, NAFTA superhighways, all these toll roads going in that the money then goes to foreign corporations in Spain and Europe?
02:45:57.000I'm a big believer in family and I'm looking forward to that day.
02:46:02.000I don't know when that day will be, but I definitely am someone who wants to have a wonderful family and children and, you know, just a great American family.
02:46:14.000Well, it's been great having you here, and we appreciate your courage.
02:46:17.000Did we ever find that clip, guys, of Carrie Prejean, however you pronounce it?
02:46:24.000We didn't find that, because I heard it all over the news last year.
02:46:26.000You can probably use YouTube, Carrie Prejean's Correct.
02:46:32.000I mean, you're quite a person because you're out there in the spotlight as a model and somebody who wanted to win, who was going to win until that question came up.
02:46:42.000But then now, clearly, I think you were cheated, but you want to be a good sport and you're saying, no, you know, I don't want to get attention by going out and screaming bloody murder.
02:47:47.000I think, yeah, I think you should be humble in your loss and, you know, just realize that everything happens for a reason and to As much as it stings sometimes, just to know that greater things are in store and just look forward to what God has next for your life.
02:48:18.000Just, you know, how grateful I am for the overwhelming support I've received.
02:48:24.000Everyone has been Absolutely incredible, not just from the state of Oklahoma, but my entire country and even people all over the world just showered with love and support and people backing me up from all over the place and so I'm so grateful and I really am just honored and humbled.
02:49:06.000As soon as I said I'm a firm believer in state strides and I love that about my country, everyone just Overflowed with you know clapping and cheering and I think the majority of the people there were in agreement with me on that statement.
02:49:23.000Well, all I can say is incredible, and it has been great having you on the broadcast, and I know that there's quite a few websites that have your info up, but I'm not going to try to give you advice for your career, but I would get a basic website up quickly that's yours, just so you get directed, you know, just so you get contacted directly by the media outlets and others that are out there.
02:49:46.000So we look forward to talking to Morgan Elizabeth Woolard again in the future.
02:49:50.000Thank you for being so nice and spending so much time with us today.
02:50:04.000I had the entire time until the end when she didn't bow down to the La Reconquista and the New World Order and the Infisora.
02:50:12.000But look, I just spent 50 minutes with her because People wanted to have her on, and she stood up for what she believed in, and we've got a lot of other hardcore subjects that I covered in the first hour of the show.
02:50:26.000I'm going to cover some financial news when we come back to the last segment that's very important.
02:50:31.000But good job to Jaren and the rest of the crew for getting her on the show.
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02:54:29.000We have the IMF World Bank Takeover Plan.
02:55:00.000Ron Paul, along with us yesterday, you can watch both those videos at GCNlive.com, our interview with Ron Paul.
02:55:05.000So the good news is we're identifying the enemy.
02:55:08.000They know we're aware of what they're doing, but they're just imploding the entire economy.
02:55:11.000What did Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former head of the Treasury, Wall Street Journal editor, father of Reaganomics, he said evil Has been turned loose.
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02:55:27.000Now, I'm not going to attack Glenn Beck and the whole media frenzy about what he sells gold for.
02:55:33.000Because some of that stuff's collectible, and it's good to have a mix.
02:55:37.000But non-collectible, semi-numismatic, the news reported $360 for a franc, and that was three months ago.
02:55:45.000When, when, uh, you know, gold was down by like a hundred bucks.
02:55:49.000Ted has franks at a hundred and, I mean, two hundred and fifty something.
02:55:54.000It's like a hundred bucks less than what, you know, big gold companies are selling it, because he bought it when it was lower.
02:55:58.000He's selling it to you when it's higher at the low price.
02:56:01.000So when I tell you that I get the daily sheets on this, when we do a gold offer, he's making three or four, maybe five dollars different days on these franks, on these sovereigns, maybe six dollars that are quarter ounce.
02:56:59.000I can tell you right now, British sovereigns, I had to stop issuing them.
02:57:02.000I can't sell them right now because my European sources can't get them to me because the Europeans are buying them all up.
02:57:10.000There's not enough supply right now for me to be able to say I have those.
02:57:14.000But the francs are available, and I still have them at $256.68, and I still am buying a full year subscription to the International Forecaster if you only buy one.
02:57:38.000Two hundred and fifty-something bucks for a fifth of an ounce gold coin that's got the numismatic, you know, some collector value, not a lot.
02:57:46.000The point is, that's bullion or below bullion because, and Ted, you are running out.