Frank Dikotter has written a new book about Mao Tse-Tung, the Chinese communist leader who was responsible for killing over 45 million people in four years. The CIA declassified his name in 1949, and they even brag about it on the History Channel. And of course he killed tens of millions after he got warmed up killing the 45 million.
00:00:48.000We have a very well-respected historian that the AP, Reuters, London Independent, The Guardian, and others are reporting on from the Chinese government's own annals, Frank Dikotter.
00:01:23.000They even brag about it on the History Channel.
00:01:25.000And of course he killed tens of millions after he got warmed up killing the 45 mil.
00:01:31.000We're all trained how to worship government and lick the boots of the police.
00:01:35.000And we've been trained in America to be slaves basically.
00:01:39.000And that's why our republic is being imploded right now.
00:01:43.000So I thought we'd look at Mao Tse-Tung, who was the model for this corporate world government, in the words of David Rockefeller in 1976 in the New York Times.
00:01:53.000We went to the microfilm to pull up that article.
00:01:55.000It's actually in my film, Endgame, Blueprint for Global Enslavement.
00:02:19.000She'll be joining us coming up in the third hour of radio broadcast today.
00:02:27.000I've got enough adrenaline flowing through me right now to fuel 15 or 20 stampeding elephants because I saw for my own eyes the death of this country about an hour and 10 minutes ago yet again.
00:02:40.000The strange thing was I went and visited some family that lives out in Lakeway, stayed there last night.
00:02:52.000And I was just thinking about talking about the police state today and the culture of living in a tyranny.
00:02:59.000And how the system is passing laws to make common people criminals so they can basically incarcerate us all or get fake convictions against us to put us into the system.
00:03:10.000But then the big criminals, the central banks, the Kinley types, most of the time get away with the real crimes that are going on.
00:03:19.000And I thought about how anywhere I am in the United States now, police come over and shake my hand.
00:03:26.000Every time I'm downtown eating, every time, police stop their cars or stop their bikes or their Segways and come over and say, we appreciate what you're doing.
00:03:37.000But then we see all these videos of police out of control around the country and we wonder what's the separation there?
00:03:45.000Why are we seeing these two different polar opposites?
00:04:12.000And the cop pulled him out, beat him up.
00:04:14.000And then that cop got promoted to being a commander.
00:04:17.000And it was basically the same thing this morning.
00:04:23.000When I saw the checkpoint, or whatever it was, I was trying to find out, in a neighborhood, I pulled over into a side street, I got out politely, put on my most charming demeanor, and I'm gonna go through it word for word for you.
00:04:37.000I've written notes here of exactly what happened, blow by blow, and...
00:04:42.000This state police officer walked up to me with total hate because to him I'm a blood bag.
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00:08:29.000The feds have now deployed 500 high-powered radiation vans that look right through your walls, violating the Fourth Amendment.
00:08:38.000Israeli companies and others are on record, nationwide, hired by Homeland Security to spy on Tea Party groups, land rights groups, Second Amendment groups, forming dossiers on citizens.
00:08:50.000There are now criminal investigations in states like Pennsylvania.
00:08:54.000The head of state, Homeland Security, has been missing for two weeks, hiding.
00:08:58.000Since this broke, it is all completely illegal.
00:09:01.000Foreign banks have taken over the United States.
00:09:04.000They've stolen at least $28 trillion in the last two years, according to Bloomberg.
00:09:29.000You made the search term dealing with President Obama and the fact that they may stage an attack or let terrorists attack as a pretext to get more control and win the election.
00:09:39.000We have White House officials and advisors saying a terror attack would help them.
00:09:43.000We have the former head of Homeland Security, Governor Ridge, writing a book admitting that Bush issued fake terror alerts for political aims.
00:09:51.000You made that the number one and number two search engine terms.
00:10:01.000Hundreds of thousands of additional people are now reading Paul Joseph Watson's powerful article, Will Obama Force America to Absorb a Terror Attack to Save His Presidency?
00:10:31.000Uh, lawyer and farm owner, uh, who is extremely prominent and heads up farmandranchfreedom.org, dealing with this legislation to further shut down farms and ranches nationwide.
00:10:43.000Federal regulations have been passed for $15 million fines for garage sales.
00:10:48.000Uh, they are trying to pass laws for $5,000 fines for growing tomatoes in your backyard.
00:10:53.000Uh, total hell is being released on the American people as they try to break our back and train us that we're slaves.
00:11:00.000Now, Let me get into what happened this morning.
00:11:13.000And I was driving around in a neighborhood, in a neighborhood, and saw five, six, seven, it was probably about seven, I didn't have time to count them all, squad cars, state police squad cars.
00:11:25.000And they had one of those little tents set up on the side of the road.
00:11:29.000And I turned into a neighborhood and parked by somebody's driveway.
00:11:34.000And I walked up and I politely said, hey, how you doing troopers?
00:11:53.000Or I would have taken photos with it or recorded audio to document what was going on.
00:11:59.000But I just pulled over, and I do this all the time.
00:12:02.000One time I saw a bunch of police and news on 360, and I pulled off at a restaurant, walked over, the police, Austin police, didn't run up and get in my face, and I talked to the media, and I said, well, I said, what's going on?
00:12:15.000Very politely, and they said, somebody keeps turning the gas on in the neighborhood, and turning the gas off, and they actually then, hey, can we get a quote from you about what you think of this?
00:12:25.000So I was on the local news, some folks saw that earlier this year.
00:12:31.000If I see a police checkpoint, whether it's on I-35 or in a neighborhood, it's been ruled by the Supreme Court and state courts that it's illegal, and I pull up and walk over and I ask questions, and I'm polite, I stay back at a distance and say, hey!
00:13:22.000So, I'm driving down this side street by a neighborhood.
00:13:26.000A little two-lane road, and there's all these state police milling around, and it looked like what I saw a few months ago when I went to Slitterbond in New Braunfels.
00:13:34.000And we had booked it, again, a little motel there to take my kids, but it was such a police state, I canceled it.
00:13:39.000And I said I was going to cancel it, and I probably won't go back to Slitterbond because the police are so bad down there.
00:13:45.000I mean, they're putting it in everywhere.
00:13:47.000But I noticed every day that when people were getting off the river, the police were taking photos of them, they had tents set up, they were taking people to jail.
00:13:57.000And I drove through one of those and my inspection sticker was out.
00:14:50.000And there's all these state police officers standing around, probably six, seven, eight, nine, maybe more, but that's just who I could see.
00:14:57.000By the way, they were parked out in the road.
00:14:58.000They weren't even parked all the way on the shoulder.
00:15:00.000So it's a two-lane road, and people were having to stop because you couldn't drive two cars down the road because the state police were all parked haphazardly halfway in the road.
00:15:30.000I'm not into how tall you are, how big you are, but there is that Napoleonic complex, and the feds have admitted they've written handbooks to hire police now with only under 100 IQ, and they like to hire short ones.
00:15:42.000This is on record who have a Napoleonic complex.
00:15:44.000You'll notice most of the commanders now are barely pushing five feet because they got something to prove.
00:15:49.000And this guy who literally looked like Yosemite Sam.
00:15:53.000I mean, he was so little I thought he was a munchkin because I'm not big and he came up to my chest.
00:17:51.000And then once I got out on Main 620, here came a sheriff's department car.
00:17:56.000I guess they'd called in and he got right behind me and were following me and I was trying to get my phone charged and finally got it working and called Jaron, because I had a, you know, in-car charger.
00:18:05.000Finally got it to boot up and I said, Jaron, you know, who knows what's going to happen to me, but they left me alone.
00:18:09.000But they followed me all the way down 620.
00:18:13.000All the way down 620, just let me know, listen, you don't get uppity with us.
00:18:19.000It's like that movie, Ants, where the grasshoppers are sitting around, they go, we got all this food, boss.
00:18:24.000You know, why are we going back to fight with those ants?
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00:26:34.000I was hoping he'd be a good human being and a guardian of liberty.
00:26:37.000But he's just a midget on a power trip.
00:26:42.000A guy in a John Wayne outfit, who's no John Wayne, out there in his John Wayne costume, Yosemite Sam, Yeah, that'll be the new name of Sergeant Baker is Yosemite Sam.
00:26:59.000Sergeant Yosemite Sam, state police officer who, I guess, writes tickets to old ladies all day and licks the boots of illegal aliens.
00:28:00.000And he was thinking, your only business is to pay my check and build up my ego when I pull your wife and kids over, boy.
00:28:07.000He didn't say that, but I remember driving down 37 four or five years ago, going to Port Aransas to do some fishing with my wife and children.
00:28:17.000And my two children at the time, now I have three, were asleep in the back, all belted in with their little, little blankets on them.
00:28:25.000These two state police pull us over, we're going five miles over the speed limit.
00:28:35.000And one had horrible breath, and the woman was on a power trip, and they were all acting crazed like they were wolves chasing down a sheep.
00:28:42.000And I just said, look, you don't have any probable cause.
00:28:47.000I care about them a lot more than you do.
00:28:49.000I go, you write me your ticket, and then you let me go back on my way.
00:28:55.000They got all puffed up, but I mean, you know, and I told him, I looked him right in the face when he was getting in my face and I said, go ahead and arrest me then and show me I'm your slave.
00:29:14.000You may be trained, and we've got the state federal training manuals, that the founding fathers are terrorists and America's bad and everything.
00:29:27.000The state's completely out of control, and you won't defend our borders, and all you're doing is out there revenue generating, and all over the country, state police, local police are announcing they won't respond to regular crime.
00:29:39.000They'll only respond to sucking our blood.
00:29:42.000And so, Sergeant Baker, out in Lakeway, Sergeant Yosemite Power Trippin' Sam.
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00:33:16.000Live from Austin, Texas, broadcasting worldwide, it's Alex Jones.
00:33:24.000How dare I, a lowly serf, a slave, dare approach Royal State Police, guardians of the bankers, guardians of the criminal government, and dare politely ask them what they were doing, basically blocking part of the road with their squad cars parked out on both sides of the street with a tent running around out in the street.
00:35:15.000I mean, it's so embarrassing, ladies and gentlemen.
00:35:19.000I mean, here we are, on more than 75 AM and FM stations, global shortwave, number one internet show in the world, number one podcast, one of the top channels on YouTube, hundreds of millions of views on YouTube alone, of the top five or six downloaded films in history, three or four of them are mine, and my ego gets smaller.
00:35:42.000Oh, I'm aggressive, I'm confident, I'm assertive, but I realize the power I have.
00:37:45.000George Washington, and I have FEMA on video in Kansas City, sent to me by a firefighter, to firefighters, police, and state police, with FEMA telling him George Washington was a terrorist.
00:37:59.000Government is a dangerous servant and a fearful master, like fire, not easily controlled.
00:38:08.000We pull up the terrorist, according to these people, George Washington.
00:38:13.000Do you think George Washington would, somebody walked up to him when he was a militia commander and said, what are you, what's going on here?
00:38:24.000You guys got a checkpoint here on this dirt road.
00:39:32.000It's the biggest street gang in the world.
00:39:34.000And it's growing and growing and growing and growing.
00:39:36.000And everything that's being done in the public schools and the airports and everywhere are these testing grounds, they admit, to train you to be a total prisoner.
00:40:59.000No amount of staged terror attacks, no amount of new wars, no amount of flu hysteria, no amount of the crises you create are going to put the genie back in the bottle.
00:41:14.000All the king's horses and all the king's men aren't putting your stinking little tyranny back together again.
00:41:20.000Congress can pass laws giving the UN control over our waterways and our lakes.
00:41:25.000You can pass laws to not let us drill water wells.
00:41:28.000People are just going to stop following what you have to say.
00:41:30.000And as you back them up against a wall, because you want to raise the taxes and put satellite tracker boxes on all the cars to track and trace us and control us, it isn't going to work.
00:43:36.000Remember, the feds are teaching nationwide that Anything good is terrorism.
00:43:41.000And remember, the whole Homeland Security report, sent to us by good state police, and good federal marshal, good people, remember that?
00:43:54.000National News said the entire Homeland Security apparatus is for conservatives, gun owners, returning veterans, libertarians, It's for you.
00:44:09.000You're told it's for men in caves that are funded by the CIA, that if you don't give your rights up, they'll come get you.
00:44:19.000Now, a lot of them are good men and women and aren't going along with the programming, but the programming, the directive, is to slap us around, like they're the pimp and we're the prostitute, and they're going to let us know.
00:44:33.000When the people fear their government, there is Tyranny.
00:44:37.000When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
00:44:42.000And that doesn't say in the quote, that somebody wrote that in an article, somebody flipped the Thomas Jefferson.
00:44:49.000Oh, so that's a Thomas Jefferson quote, so I guess I flipped it.
00:44:52.000When the people fear the government, there is tyranny.
00:44:54.000When the government fears the people, there is liberty.
00:44:56.000I mean, what do you think Thomas Jefferson would have thought if he was in a time machine and he was teleported to the morning of
00:45:05.000September 23rd, 2010, and if he could be floating around in the clouds, teleported into the future, 200 plus years, and he sees Alex Jones pull over, parked down a street, I'm in a neighborhood, and I politely walk up and put on my charm, and I was thinking, I hope they're good.
00:45:50.000The citizens are supposed to drive by scared and see the cops and get scared and go in the checkpoints and be asked questions and be put in naked body scanners where they illegally record your genitals and then lied about it and got caught.
00:46:16.000I was humiliated for my children's future.
00:46:20.000I was humiliated by petty nobodies putting thuggish positions of abusive power to boss citizens around with relish and enjoyment and treat me like trash.
00:46:31.000That guy was savoring baring his teeth.
00:46:34.000He was savoring his eyes just gleaming with hatred like I had, you know, slapped his grandmother or something.
00:46:40.000I mean, this was anger and hate and disgust that I could barely even summon for my enemies.
00:46:46.000But it summoned in me Just total disgust.
00:46:51.000But see, everybody doesn't have a syndicated radio show.
00:50:22.000So when they have real political roundups, all the sheep have just heard the term roundup over and over again.
00:50:30.000And of course, again, Bloomberg reported last week that 6 million veterans going back to World War II When they die, their death benefits are being stolen in agreement with the government and prudential.
00:50:44.000You've been given power to shove us around and make us lick your boots because your masters are going to implode this country and carry out a Stalinistic operation.
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00:54:50.000And by the way, I've only been on that road a few times.
00:54:52.000It seems I see state police doing stuff there a lot of the time.
00:54:56.000I don't know what they're doing out there and I'm not allowed to find out as a scumbag citizen.
00:55:01.000I'm here to pay the taxes and lick boots.
00:55:03.000I have mainstream news articles in my stack today Where they're giving people jail time and $1,000 a day fines for grass that's over three inches.
00:55:36.000I was parked on the side of a neighborhood, one-lane street, off a two-lane street, in a neighborhood, with a bunch of state police crawling all over it.
00:55:47.000And then this morning, Jaron goes in to buy a Gatorade in South Austin, and some guy, whacked out of his mind, is trying to break into his truck.
00:56:00.000He walks out and says, Starts yelling at him for several minutes.
00:56:51.000I mean, I have mainstream news articles on PrisonPlanet.com today, where all over the country, the federal government and foreign intelligence agencies are compiling lists of mainline Second Amendment groups, and the Pittsburgh Post Gazette reports that the one group is headed up by a state representative and he's on the list.
00:57:11.000And of course, it came out in England that the Parliament is spied on by MI5.
00:57:18.000The Parliament is the government, but the bureaucracy is the real government.
00:57:24.000And all these crook politicians are taking the federal training to their police to treat us like trash.
00:57:31.000If we can't save this country and this planet, a lot of it rests on you, police, because you're where the rubber meets the road, and you are shameful when you act like that lunatic.
00:57:45.000I've had the good luck of not having too many wrecks in the last 20 years, but the two wrecks I've had One time blowing off the road by a tornado.
00:57:55.000The state police of Texas pulled up outside Fredericksburg, actually it was Stonewall, were fans of the show, were incredibly helpful, helped pick up the stuff out of the Tahoe that was all wrecked and smashed.
00:58:07.000My paperwork were very nice and very helpful.
00:58:10.000And I was in another wreck and the state police were very nice.
00:58:13.000I was speeding 10 miles over the speed limit and a black DPS guy pulled me over in Temple and said, well, you were so polite Alex, I'm going to let you go.
00:58:20.000I mean, look, I don't want to be your enemy.
00:58:25.000I'm sure you'd be nice to go fishing with, Sergeant Baker, but you ought to really look in the mirror and ask yourself why you're out of control.
00:58:32.000Because I bet your grandparents, I bet Papa Smurf would be ashamed of you.
00:58:37.000I bet your granddaddy would be ashamed of you.
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01:00:44.000It was actually very, very sickening to see an illegal checkpoint, where it appeared to be this morning, they wouldn't tell me, and to have them get in my face and treat me like a piece of trash.
01:01:25.000So gold's going up because the dollar's being devalued.
01:01:28.000And I wanted to briefly, ahead of this historian joining us in the next segment on Mao Tse Tung and what we're going to face in this country, there's no doubt about it, it's the same people that ran Mao running this, I wanted to bring Ted up briefly because he ran out of the deals of gold and silver he bought a few months ago that was priced into the market $30, $40, $50, $60 depending on the deal under You know, what it should have been selling for.
01:01:51.000He's still got some he bought a few weeks ago that is way under what anybody else can sell it to you for.
01:01:57.000And so to tell us about what's happening in the gold market briefly is Ted Anderson.
01:02:35.000A lot of people are calling, Alex, for that CBO report, which makes me real happy.
01:02:41.000The Federal Debt and Risk of Financial Crises document, which came out of the government, You know, you just... Ted, what you ought to give out is the Pentagon two weeks ago saying that they believe the U.S.
01:02:53.000is going to collapse because of the debt.
01:02:55.000Well, that's actually the banker's plan.
01:02:57.000We have the 2002 IMF World Bank documents.
01:03:00.000They create the crisis, they offer the solution, giving themselves more power, and these Yosemite Sam police then are more than happy to bully the public.
01:03:08.000Well, you know, I really should take a look at that document because nothing makes me more happy than to have the government expose itself in their evil plan.
01:03:15.000Yeah, but they're only exposing it to say, see, we better enslave you because we stole everything.
01:03:22.000But, you know, if people wake up and realize that they can't keep themselves in this paper currency anymore.
01:03:28.000I mean, the Bloomberg story says that they have to get out, that they have to buy gold and silver.
01:03:33.000It's not like, it's not like, you know, Bloomberg, I mean, here he is a stock guy and he's telling people that they have to buy gold and silver.
01:03:40.000And, you know, It just, it just gets to the point here now where it's just getting utter ridiculous to stay into the paper currencies, the stock market, the bond market, if you're going to be in the annuities, even in the real estate because there's such a bubble there that, you know, it really doesn't make sense to have anything other than gold and silver because that has been money for over 6,000 years.
01:04:02.000And that's why it pleases me to see that people are willing to pick up the CBO report coming from Congress and actually get the information that says, yes, indeed, there's Absolutely, but it's on record we're going into a planned depression.
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01:10:03.000And according to our government, any criticism of government is terrorism.
01:10:06.000So I guess this is the type of system we all need to live under, according to many people that worship big government and collectivism.
01:10:14.000But I really appreciate our guests joining us today.
01:10:20.000Frank DeCotter is an author of Mao's Great Famine, the History of China's Most Devastating Catastrophe, published by Bloomsbury and Walker Books.
01:10:29.000He's the Chair Professor of Humanities for the University of Hong Kong and Professor of the Modern History of China on leave from the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London.
01:10:38.000Born in the Netherlands in 61, he's educated in Switzerland.
01:10:42.000He's published nine books that have changed the way historians view modern China, from the classics, the Discourse on Race in Modern China, The China Before Mao, The Age of Openness.
01:10:53.000Frank de Kotter is married and lives in Hong Kong.
01:11:22.000Well, he's a man who conquered China in 1949.
01:11:24.000And he's also a man who started the war in Korea against the Americans a few years later.
01:11:32.000And hundreds of thousands, if not millions of people lost their lives during those two events.
01:11:39.000But they compare They do not compare to what happened from 1958 onwards, when Mao wanted to turn every man and every woman in that country into a soldier, into one giant army that he could use in a continuous revolution to somehow...
01:11:56.000Now, tackle both agriculture and industry at the same time.
01:12:00.000So what he did with the Great Leap Forward in 1958 is very much collectivize everything and herd people in the countryside into giant people's communes.
01:12:12.000People in the countryside had their homes collectivized, their land was taken away from them, their belongings were stripped away.
01:12:20.000They had nothing left except the choice to obey the party commands.
01:12:26.000And the party command was to work all day and all night so that the country could be To overtake England in 15 years.
01:12:38.000And before you know it, every incentive to work was stripped away and people had no reason to work except the fear of pain and violence.
01:12:49.000So in the countryside, party officials and farmers became locked in a mounting spiral of violence in which people were beaten, were We're covered in excrement, we're sometimes buried alive for the slightest misdemeanor.
01:13:09.000Stealing a potato could warrant a death sentence.
01:13:18.000One of the big myths about the Great Leap Forward is that people simply died of hunger because there was no food available.
01:13:28.000But having looked at a whole series of party archives, you have to understand this is a one-party state that is very meticulous, like Nazi Germany, like the Soviet Union, very meticulous in compiling notes about everything it does.
01:13:44.000So these are massive archives, and they illustrate something that is very prevalent during that period.
01:13:55.000It is not simply that people starve to death.
01:13:58.000They are starved to death, very deliberately.
01:14:01.000There's a deliberate selection of people who are banned from the canteen.
01:14:07.000Professor, can I interject something here?
01:14:09.000Because I know you're very well-read, one of the leading experts on the last 70 years in China.
01:14:17.000Have you noticed that they had a Beijing World Food Summit in the mid-1990s, and the UN said, we will use food as a weapon?
01:14:24.000And in State Department Memorandum 200 by Henry Kissinger, he talked about using the Chinese model in the third world of using food as a weapon.
01:14:33.000I don't know about it, but it doesn't sound very promising.
01:14:37.000Okay, well let's continue then with the model of using food as a weapon, because I happen to have an article here, the Livable Communities Act, and the stated goal is to force people under Agenda 21 into sustainable cities, and only basically allow big agribusiness to operate.
01:14:53.000But sorry, I was just drawing parallels to here.
01:14:57.000Of course, there are parallels to be made, but at that particular point in time, the fact that a one-party state was in control of all the food meant that if you did not work, if you did not go to the fields and perform the work that you were asked to do, or if you were too weak, or too vulnerable, or too old, or sometimes too young to actually earn your keep, you were banned from the canteen.
01:15:21.000And entire groups of people were deliberately starved to death during that period from 1958 Didn't Stalin do something similar in Ukraine?
01:15:33.000In other words, what Stalin did in Ukraine and in other parts of the Soviet Union was collectivize the countryside and strip every incentive to work away from the farmers.
01:15:44.000In other words, people were locked in this cycle of violence with party officials who were there to take as much grain as they could and farmers who saw no reason to work except fear.
01:15:57.000Now, you talked about being buried alive for small things.
01:16:02.000And I remember back in 98 or so, there were some big books that came out in China that the government officially sanctioned, where they talked about 80 million dead.
01:16:12.000They talked about large stewpots of human flesh.
01:17:21.000Well, I'd rather get tasered, I would rather get tasered, than have one of my ears chopped off, or my nose lopped off, or being buried alive, or being poured, being covered in excrement, or being tied up and thrown into a pond, or being branded with a sizzling tool like an animal.
01:17:50.000So what I've found, thanks very much to the party archives, which are only gradually opening up, so God knows what more is still hidden in the central party archives in Beijing, but on the basis of what is open now, it's unavoidable.
01:18:08.000The conclusion that two to three million people were actually killed is unavoidable as part of the 45 million people who died unnecessarily during those four years.
01:18:19.000An absolutely staggering number of people.
01:18:23.000Professor, what's the grand total though?
01:18:25.000Because I see numbers of 80 million, 60 million.
01:18:28.000I mean, what's the real number from your research?
01:18:34.000Well, the frightening thing is that so far, the only one period after 1949 that we've been able to study on the basis of the Communist Party archives is the Great Leap Forward from 1958 to 62, when previous estimates ranged from 20 to 30 million.
01:18:53.000But on the basis of these unpublished documents, many compiled by the security police, by public security bureaus themselves, that has to go up to 45 million.
01:19:04.000Now, the question is, what happened during Other periods, for instance, the Cultural Revolution, which started a few years later.
01:19:11.000Or what happened immediately after 1949, after the conquest of power by the Communist Party, with the Reign of Terror.
01:19:19.000So far, people have claimed that two to three million people were killed.
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01:24:24.000And it's all stated by the United Nations under Agenda 21.
01:24:28.000They cite China as the model to control us.
01:24:30.000I mean, you can't make up this nightmare.
01:24:33.000And so I want you to know the plan here, hearing about Mao.
01:24:37.000And remember, Stalin did similar things, but just not on the same scale.
01:24:41.000We have, again, a very prestigious researcher and professor on with us, and we're going to talk more about the book itself that goes into just horrifying detail.
01:24:53.000Continuing with your research, we were getting into the point, Professor, this is a short segment, long segment coming up.
01:25:00.000I was asking the question about 64 million is the number I see from the U.S.
01:26:06.000And I used that time to read as much as I could in several dozen party archives.
01:26:12.000City archives, county archives, provincial archives.
01:26:16.000And in some cases, I didn't find much at all.
01:26:20.000In other cases, I simply wasn't allowed to read anything.
01:26:24.000And once in a while I got very, very lucky.
01:26:29.000And when I read it, I have to say, I was quite prepared for tragedy, but nothing like what I encountered in the archives.
01:26:40.000I was still under the impression, like many others, that there simply wasn't enough food available, and that was why people died of hunger.
01:26:47.000I had no idea that the scope, the scale of coercion was so overwhelming.
01:26:55.000I had no idea that violence Was very much the way in which those four years were governed by the party.
01:27:07.000Looking at what happened in in China in 75 they started the one-child policy as taxes as you know and then in 80 as law I mean it seems like China when we know they want to get rid of some of their population And I'd seen in the 70s party leaders saying we would benefit from a nuclear war So as was there an idea that wiping out the the the countryside people, you know might be a good thing or or was it mismanagement?
01:27:38.000Well, it's a complex series of factors, but what you say is actually quite accurate in the sense that, at the time, people from the countryside were really seen, not just socially but legally, as inferior to city residents.
01:28:00.000In other words, a farmer ...did not legally matter as much as a city resident.
01:28:08.000They were very much treated as a special caste.
01:28:12.000And during the Great Leap Forward, a sort of war was built around the city.
01:28:19.000Not a real war, but the cities were fenced off from the countryside.
01:28:24.000They lock the rural workers at night in the major cities, AP reports, in basically giant prisons.
01:28:32.000Well, to this day, in fact, any migrant from the countryside can be arrested and locked up, and that law dates from the Great Leap Forward, 1958.
01:28:40.000The whole divide of the country, I mean, the real line that runs through this society, the real divide, is countryside people and city people.
01:28:50.000And there's no doubt that the vast majority of victims during the Great Leap Forward, the tens of millions of people who died, were countryside people, and there's no doubt either That they were pretty much at the very bottom of the social hierarchy during that period.
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01:33:20.000Okay, we're back live, and we're talking to Professor DeCotter about Mao Zedong, undoubtedly the greatest mass murderer in human history.
01:33:29.000But I wanted to read a quote here from the New York Times.
01:33:34.000We actually went and got this from the microfilm.
01:33:36.000It's in my film, Endgame, Blueprint for Global Enslavement.
01:33:39.000David Rockefeller wrote for the New York Times, August 10th, 1973, after returning from a successful business trip to China, whatever the price of the Chinese Revolution, it has obviously succeeded.
01:33:48.000In fostering a high morale and community of purpose, general social and economic progress is no less impressive.
01:33:54.000The enormous social advances of China have benefited greatly from the singleness of ideology and purpose.
01:34:00.000The social experiment in China under Chairman Mao's leadership is one of the most important and successful in history.
01:34:06.000And he goes on in the editorial to praise Mao Zedong.
01:34:09.000We just got some footage from one of our associates that's done graphics work for us.
01:34:14.000Of being in major Chinese cities with the youth brigades marching with their red flags just this year and whenever they want they beat people up.
01:34:54.000Given that what happened only during the Great Leap Forward would be enough to qualify as one of the three greatest man-made disasters of the 20th century.
01:35:06.000It has to be the Gulag, the Holocaust and the Great Leap Forward that count as the three greatest disasters that were pretty much man-made.
01:35:14.000I find it, obviously, quite sickening Here's a regime that not only destroyed human beings into tens of millions, but also everything else that was in its way.
01:35:27.000That includes untold damage to nature during the Great Heap Forward, with up to half of the forest coverage lost.
01:35:36.000Housing destroyed, up to 40% in some provinces that are the size of a European country like France.
01:35:46.00040% of the housing destroyed in the space of four years.
01:35:50.000Transportation system that would grind to a halt with the Great Leap Forward.
01:35:55.000I mean, something, it's collectivization created such damage at every level that the China that existed before 1949, it's just gone forever.
01:36:07.000Another kind of damage that was done when people are reduced to doing everything in order to survive, including eating mud or stealing from their own family members, and that is the unraveling of the social fabric and of moral values altogether.
01:36:26.000You talk about the raping of the land.
01:36:42.000Well, it sounds extraordinary, but it comes back in every party document that you can find from that period.
01:36:51.000Initially, mud huts were destroyed, or pig sheds, in which animals would have left some organic matter that might be used as fertilizer on the fields.
01:37:04.000But bit by bit, entire houses are being destroyed.
01:37:07.000And houses were destroyed for other reasons, not just for fertilizer, but to straighten the roads, or to take bricks in order to build up a people's commune or a canteen, or to punish the people who lived inside because they didn't work hard enough or didn't contribute enough grain to the state.
01:37:27.000And sir, I've also read about in this communist system with the police, they became fat and all these little petty thugs and psychopaths and control freaks, they all got recruited because a loving, good, decent person couldn't do things like this, so it gravitated towards absolute despotism.
01:38:06.000And other, much harder, unscrupulous men were recruited to replace them.
01:38:12.000And they were willing to go along with anything Mao Zedong said.
01:38:16.000They were willing to very much trim their sails to benefit from these radical winds that were blowing from Peking.
01:38:24.000So, what you get is a party of thugs who are very much willing to do anything to curry favour with the current, with the leadership at the time.
01:38:34.000History repeats itself over and over again, and people don't recognize it, so they have to live through it.
01:38:41.000And I see similar trends worldwide today with the recruiting of thugs, but we're in a lot of trouble.
01:38:47.000Professor, I want to get back into your book and tell folks how they get it and flesh out some of the other incredible, groundbreaking research that you've gotten from the Communist Party archives all over China, including local uh... archives uh... but uh... how much research have you done on the man malatang because i read about him never taking a bath having sex with five ten women a day just uh... just just just being a singularly disgusting creature
01:39:16.000That is very true and there is a very good biography by Yong Chang on Mao Zedong as a person.
01:39:23.000And what comes across when you start having access to the minutes of secret leadership meetings is an image of a man who is extremely stubborn on the one hand, not willing to listen to anybody else, but also extraordinarily vain.
01:39:42.000In the sense that nobody, including number two and number three down the line, down the hierarchy of power, are really willing to upset this man.
01:39:53.000And that's linked to a third characteristic that comes across very clearly, and that's paranoia.
01:39:58.000Here's a man who is the head of a one-party state and is constantly fearing that there might be somebody stabbing him in the back, somebody undermining him.
01:40:08.000So he is very much at the head of a one-party state in which any Any failure to curry favor or toe the party line results in outright dismissal or much further down the line to violence of extraordinary proportions.
01:40:28.000Sounds like a bigger scale North Korea.
01:40:31.000It's very much a bigger scale North Korea.
01:40:35.000In fact, I made a comparison about a week ago when I spoke to The Independent in England with Pol Pot and Pol Pot and the genocide in Cambodia.
01:40:46.000I described it as 20 times what happened in Cambodia.
01:40:50.00020 times what the Khmer Rouge and Pol Pot did.
01:41:20.000It's just hidden in that archipelago throughout the country.
01:41:25.000But specifically, going through the overall span of his reign of terror, his great leap into hell, how things ended for Mao Zedong and how he's seen in China today.
01:41:39.000Well, Mao Zedong did rather well, unlike Adolf Hitler, but not unlike Joseph Stalin.
01:41:45.000He died very peacefully in his sleep, after having gotten rid of every single one of his enemies, including number two at the time, head of state, Yao Shaoqi, and very much allowing number three, Zhou Enlai, to die of cancer.
01:42:09.000Well, I'm sometimes told by people in China that he is still held in great esteem.
01:42:16.000But the key point really is that even at the time, while he was Pretty much taking away the grain from ordinary farmers and starving them to death.
01:42:26.000Those very farmers in the countryside who were being starved, with their children taken away to the army, who were sometimes buried alive during that period, they themselves believed that Mao Zedong was a great man.
01:42:41.000And it's a very simple way of explaining that.
01:42:56.000It goes back to a very old traditional way of looking at things under the Chinese Empire.
01:43:02.000The emperor is benevolent, but his mandarins are crooked.
01:43:06.000The ones who carry out his orders are wicked.
01:43:12.000Now, going back to his number two, having his health care withheld, I had read that.
01:43:16.000I mean, that shows that in these tyrannical systems, whatever permutation they take, that it is the people that work for the system, statistically from my, you know, grazing over wide spectrums of history, that generally the most dangerous position, just like with Hitler, wiping out tens of thousands of his brown shirts that took him to power on the Night of the Long Knives, that over and over again, it is the servants of the Dark Lord that are in the most danger.
01:43:46.000For instance, the Cultural Revolution is extremely complex, but essentially boils down to Communist Party members Purging or killing off or torturing other Communist Party members.
01:44:04.000And that caused something like two, three million deaths.
01:44:08.000But of course, ultimately, ordinary people, the ones who died in the tens of millions are exposed, have far less protection against violence that comes from above and people inside the party but you are right nobody would relish to be number two or number three in that kind of system and Lin Biao Lin Biao is a very smart man who tried to stay away from it but he too got pulled into it by Mao Zedong himself and he tried to flee and of course died in tragic circumstances.
01:44:36.000Well professor we see this this cycle over and over again throughout history that when a aggressive A group comes in, takes over, that almost always things get worse, not better.
01:44:52.000They really did deliver on almost all the promises, and it was, you know, the greatest expression of a true leap forward for freedom.
01:45:04.000But if you look at the Communists, if you look at the Nazis, if you look at the decline of Rome, and I'd like you to speak as a historian on this if you can, just overall, First they take over, kill off their first enemy, whoever was in power before.
01:45:18.000Then they wipe out the thugs that brought them to power.
01:45:23.000And there's always an escalation in the killing, comparatively.
01:45:27.000And then you've got all these killers and psychopaths and sadists and control freaks.
01:45:32.000They've still got the bloodlust, the bloodthirsty enjoyment, and the paranoia that goes with it.
01:45:38.000And so then it just accelerates, accelerates, accelerates, accelerates.
01:46:02.000Once you start stripping away every kind of freedom, the freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom of movement, freedom to trade, once you replace it by a one-party dictate, there can only be one road, and that's the road to serve them, as he said rather clearly.
01:46:20.000I think the Great Leap Forward illustrates that better than anything else in 20th century history.
01:46:27.000Well, Professor, I mean, you're obviously a very intelligent person.
01:46:32.000Are you not concerned about global parallels now with this global corporate elite who use collectivism at the national level to consolidate power to then Combine and move the nation's wealth into their corporate arms.
01:46:48.000I mean, globalization, when you really study what it's for, as the head of political science at Georgetown wrote, Bill Clinton's mentor, that this mega-corporate elite, they'll fund fascists, communists, thugs.
01:47:00.000Our own CIA admits over and over again they'll choose a dictator over an elected government.
01:47:06.000And more and more we see the classical Western liberties Whether it's England or the United States being dismantled, do you ever see parallels?
01:47:18.000What worries me more than anything else is the fact that we still have a one-party state in power in the People's Republic of China.
01:47:27.000It's very much the same party that committed all these atrocities some 50 years ago.
01:47:31.000Now, right now, the number of people who actually see China and the authoritarian state it represents as an example to be followed, I find that extremely worrying.
01:47:44.000And what I find even more worrying is what might happen if things go bad economically.
01:48:06.000We'll put your website up on screen, the title of the book, Mal's Great Famine, and Frank DeCotter is our guest.
01:48:16.000We've got a little bit of time left in this segment, the next.
01:48:19.000I've been asking a lot of the questions, what are some of the other big central points and discoveries that you make in the book?
01:48:24.000I haven't read it yet, I've just seen the reviews, but we do have a copy ordered.
01:48:30.000I think the sheer extent of... the amount of documentation that comes out of the party archives I find quite extraordinary.
01:48:43.000And I just wonder what happened during other periods under Communist rule up to 1949.
01:48:49.000When you start looking at 45 million people in four or five years time, you just wonder what happened afterwards or in the decade prior to that.
01:48:58.000Most of all, I think that it is not just about trying to see Mao as the greatest mass murderer in human history, which of course he is, but also trying to treat the victims of it and try to, at least in
01:49:14.000Respect to the memory of those many tens of millions who died and try to read about this event and treat it with the same degree of respect and knowledge as we treat victims of the Holocaust and victims of the Soviet gulag.
01:49:31.000What I'm trying to say, I think, is that people simply don't have a choice or a voice in the People's Republic.
01:49:38.000There is no monument to the dead of the Great Leap Forward.
01:50:08.000That's why it was so refreshing to see you coming out and people looking at your research and a lot of media admitting, I mean, this seems like a big step forward towards really recognizing this evil.
01:50:22.000That's the tragedy of China becoming more powerful in world politics, is that there are fewer and fewer people actually prepared to look at what happened in the past, or for that matter, what is happening today.
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01:54:10.000Well, we'll definitely have him back up with us again because we haven't even scratched the surface.
01:54:15.000I hope you'll get the book, Mal's Great Famine, because it mirrors the separate research I've done, obviously not as in-depth or directly there at the source.
01:54:24.000This is confirmed, you know, point of release from within their own annals.
01:54:29.000And as he said, it's only the surface and it's so horrific.
01:54:34.000We have our own government lighting up the Empire States Building in the communist Chinese colors.
01:54:39.000That's like lighting it up as a swastika.
01:54:41.000If we don't recognize that the same system is still there.
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01:54:49.000You can get four copies to give to your friends and family of this seminal film for $19.95 for another two weeks.
01:54:56.000This documents our government's own admissions, major think tanks, the UN, saying they like what Mao did.
01:55:02.000Now, I read you a New York Times quote from David Rockefeller.
01:55:05.000You see the young kids, I see them in UT, wearing Mao and Stalin shirts.
01:55:11.000This is serious, and we've got to stand up and recognize evil.
01:55:14.000So I hope folks get the film at Infowars.com because, uh, sir, finishing up with that point about how we're, that, The same groups that did this are still in control today.
01:55:38.000Well, I'm not an expert on China today.
01:55:42.000That's one of the troubling things, is that the so-called China experts seem always to be very willing to talk about every aspect of that country, whether it happened a thousand years ago or what is going to happen in ten years' time.
01:55:57.000But looking at it, I think the real worry is whether there's another great leap forward taking place.
01:56:03.000Obviously not tens of millions dying of hunger, but again there's great faith by the Chinese government that it has somehow found a way to catapult its country past everybody else through some magic economic plan that has nothing in common with the rest of the world.
01:56:21.000This idea that they can somehow do their own thing in a very different way without having to pay respect Respect to human beings, respect to freedom, the freedom of movement, freedom of association, freedom of religion, freedom of speech.
01:56:37.000That seems to me to be rather worrying.
01:56:41.000And in any event, it seems to me that if we really want to understand China now, you cannot but read up on its history of the past 50 years.
01:56:50.000These are, as you said, very much the same people in power, the same families in power.
01:56:56.000The same people in power, the same families, becoming fabulously wealthy.
01:57:01.000I mean, generals making hundreds of millions of dollars, and they're killing the Falun Gong, they're killing peaceful groups, they're still oppressing Tibet, and our media more and more defends it.
01:57:14.000The other query for China experts out there, of course, not for me as a historian, but would be to find out whether or not these methods are being exported to other countries.
01:57:27.000Oh, they certainly are being exported to other countries.
01:57:30.000I mean, that's the issue that I see here.
01:57:33.000And then China's got so much influence over our internal politics because they own our debt that, I mean, that's the main reason that the State Department two years ago said they're not selling organs when China admits they're selling organs.
01:57:44.000So now our government's lying for them.
01:58:07.000I'd like to, while we have you, call you and try to pick a time to interview you again as soon as possible because I'd like to open the phones up to take calls.
01:58:18.000So we're going to put you on hold, sir, and find a time to We'll get you back on in the future, perhaps in studio when you're here in the United States.
01:58:27.000I hope folks get your book, and as you said, learn to recognize evil so it doesn't happen again.
02:02:03.000created the U.N., so then why do Americans want out of the U.N.?
02:02:06.000Or, well, it's a global corporate construct to then come back in and take over.
02:02:12.000That's why our trade and risk government funds it, because it's controlled by the very same robber barons.
02:02:18.000For the rest of this hour, we're going to do a quick update later on what's happening with the economy, but we are joined by an amazing lady who we've had on the broadcast before, and she lives right outside Austin, Judith McGarry, a lawyer and family farm operator, farmandranchfreedom.org.
02:02:37.000Earlier this week, they just had a conference in Austin.
02:02:39.000They've got a House and Senate bill, which could be interpreted, and I've read the language, to say you can't make strawberry jam and give it to your neighbor or sell it.
02:02:47.000And you see them SWAT teaming Amish and all of this happening.
02:03:17.000First, they tell you what type of toilet you can have.
02:03:20.000Then they tell you what type of light bulbs, little simple things, what type of air conditioning freon.
02:03:25.000Then it's, oh, we're going to have a home inspection.
02:03:27.000Oh, you've got to have a license to have a garden.
02:03:32.000Oh, we've got to inspect your garden and make sure you're not growing marijuana.
02:03:36.000Tulsa, Oklahoma has been calling for that.
02:03:38.000We're going to go to break, come back with her, and really flesh this out.
02:03:41.000But farmandranchfreedom.org is the website, and it's time for farmers and ranchers to not just go to the football game on Friday nights, to not just go drink beer, to not just go complain at county commissioners, to really get aggressive and realize you're under attack.
02:03:58.000Mega agribusiness globally, states, They're passing regulations worldwide to take over your farm and ranch.
02:04:06.000To put regulations on you that are not enforced against Tyson Chicken and ConAgra and others.
02:04:15.000And to let Monsanto come on your land and spray your crops to see if any of their genes are in the crops, because if the plants don't die they know.
02:04:23.000Uh, that, uh, you know, it's got some of their genetics.
02:04:26.000All of this, this is a scientific takeover.
02:04:30.000The mega-corporations want world government, they want it now.
02:04:33.000So, Judith McGeary, we'll have the floor when we come back to walk through all of this, but you just heard me have...
02:04:40.000One of the top head of his department at a prestigious university on about communism, about collectivism, about using food as a weapon, and he agreed it's now happening here.
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02:10:42.000Okay, let's now go to Judith McGeary of Farm and Ranch Freedom to break down what we're dealing with.
02:10:53.000Judith, tell us how you first got into this, the overall view of what's behind this agenda, and as a lawyer being able to research the bills, what we're currently facing with the legislation.
02:11:07.000I got into it at the time I was a practicing attorney, and my husband and I have our own small farm, and I heard about the animal identification system, and they were pushing it here in Texas.
02:11:18.000So, the more I researched it, the uglier it looked, and I ended up leaving my legal practice and creating the Farm and Ranch Freedom Alliance, along with a group of other farmers and ranchers who were very worried about what NAIS could do.
02:11:31.000And so at first our focus was very closely focused just on NAIS, but the more you get into this, the more you realize how many threats there are.
02:11:39.000And this year, we put a lot of energy and a lot of focus onto the food safety bills in Congress.
02:11:45.000Actually for about the last year and a half now we've been doing that.
02:11:49.000Because what's happening is that the federal government is looking at the food system.
02:11:57.000And there are a lot of really legitimate concerns about food safety in this country.
02:12:01.000I don't feel secure about the quality of the food in the grocery stores.
02:12:04.000And unfortunately that's what 95% of people are eating.
02:12:08.000But the problem is they're using that as an excuse to create a massive federal regulatory scheme That covers all the food in this country.
02:12:18.000You know, right down to, as you were saying, you know, someone who makes a few jars of jam and, you know, sells them at a local farmer's market or, you know, at the local, you know, park or fair stand or, you know, flea market, you know, for a couple of weeks a year, would be faced with really complicated, convoluted federal regulation.
02:12:39.000And frankly, most of them won't be able to deal with it.
02:13:36.000And what we've seen, whether it's Animal ID, whether it's the tax exemptions you're talking about, whether it's the food safety bill, Is that the federal agencies, the USDA and the FDA, you know, have a revolving door going between them and Big Ag.
02:13:50.000So Michael Taylor, who's now the head of food safety at FDA, you know, worked for Monsanto, went to work for FDA, went back to work for a lobbying firm that worked for Monsanto, is now back at FDA.
02:14:02.000And you can find story after story after story like that.
02:14:07.000It's the only people, for the most part, that they talk to.
02:14:10.000And so they write regulations and they write programs that are based on the interests of how the big agribusiness companies work.
02:14:18.000The Cargills, the Tysons, Monsanto, ADM, Grocery Manufacturers of America, you know, all the big groceries in the country have had a major hand in this bill.
02:14:32.000You know, if you want good quality food in this country, we need to get away from the big agribusiness.
02:14:38.000We need to renew our small farms, have local food, people being able to buy from people they trust, and focus on decentralized local food systems.
02:14:49.000And that is not in, you know, FDA's agenda.
02:14:52.000But the good news is, but you're on the front lines so correct me if I'm wrong, there is a renaissance of food co-ops, of farmers markets, of even lawyers and doctors and well-to-do educated people fleeing to the country, becoming truly sustainable, not the UN eugenics counterfeit becoming truly sustainable, not the UN eugenics counterfeit of that, And people have been voting with their pocketbook.
02:15:22.000Ten years ago you couldn't find organic food on store shelves.
02:15:34.000It's added to the other products and cheese and things.
02:15:37.000And from my research, a lot of this attempt to really take over or accelerate the takeover of family farms and ranches is in response to the movement they're seeing by people to basically come out of Babylon.
02:15:52.000I think that's a very good assessment of the situation.
02:17:13.000But, um, the thing is, what we're describing, you know, this wonderful renaissance, as you were saying, you know, ten years ago, it was very hard to get local foods or organic foods in many places.
02:17:23.000And ten years ago, big agribusiness didn't worry about us.
02:18:04.000So I think that's a wonderful statement.
02:18:06.000Reconnecting with our food, growing your own garden, you know, getting to know the people who produce your food, going out to the farm.
02:18:13.000Reconnecting with the food is central.
02:18:15.000And what we have to do is we have to protect that.
02:18:17.000Because what's happening is there's a huge amount of momentum behind this movement.
02:18:22.000And if it's allowed to continue, it will continue to grow by leaps and bounds and become the dominant movement.
02:18:29.000Unfortunately, if things like Senate Bill 510, the current food safety bill, And you notice they've already built up these paramilitary armies of Enviro, police and others.
02:18:42.000Every day I hear about them going after small farms, small gardens, Amish, I mean SWAT teams, undercover at the farmers markets here in Austin.
02:19:18.000I mean, what should be coming out from this egg scare, what people should realize, is that FDA isn't using the power it has now to regulate the big agribusiness.
02:19:29.000They don't go after the mega factory farms.
02:19:32.000They go after small co-ops and local producers and raw milk and all of these things FDA doesn't like.
02:19:38.000And simply giving the same agency more power is not going to improve the food supply.
02:19:44.000When it's a revolving door with big agribusiness that states it wants to shut you down, stay there.
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02:24:20.000And it doesn't matter what government agency is out there, they're getting bigger and they're treating you like trash.
02:24:25.000Now, Judith, looking at these House and Senate bills, let's go over what's in them.
02:24:31.000I mean, because it really does say you can't can strawberries and sell them without government, you know, fees and regulations and inspectors who just can't wait to get in your house.
02:24:39.000And they're trying to shut down the farmers markets, as you said.
02:25:02.000What I'd like to focus on is Senate Bill 510, because that's the bill that's active right now, and we just got word that there's a good chance it'll be voted on next week.
02:25:11.000So, you know, that is where the action's happening right now.
02:25:41.000They have an undercover cop come up, buy a peach, and then they get to arrest you.
02:25:44.000So the first stage, before you get to the enforcement stage though, the first stage is they're going to be telling you, they're going to be adopting regulations on how to grow and harvest these crops.
02:25:54.000The FDA is going to be empowered to say, here's what kind of water you can use, what standards you need to meet for your compost, when you could use animal manure, when you can't use animal manure, whether you need toilets in an area, what your workers need to wear, what you need to wear, what you need to wash in.
02:26:15.000And, you know, this is something, by the way, FDA is already working on.
02:26:18.000As you said, even without this bill, FDA is looking at trying to adopt these kinds of regulations.
02:26:23.000And you would have to, right now, there are no exemptions.
02:26:27.000Right now, the way the bill is written, if you grow a large backyard garden and you take your excess produce to the local farmer's market, because what else are you going to do with all that squash?
02:26:38.000You'd have to comply with federal regulation on how you grew that squash.
02:26:41.000So it's a federal takeover of just everything?
02:27:26.000And what happens now, or what would happen if Bill 510 passes, is that all these folks who are doing small-scale food production would again come under federal regulation.
02:27:39.000And for food processing, it's something called a HACCP, a hazard analysis and critical control point plan.
02:27:50.000And then basically food wardens like game wardens, you know, the kid that was a control freak in school, now he's got a gun on his side and he's coming.
02:27:59.000Well, and you have to come, so federal agent will come and you'll have to create a very large convoluted paperwork plan that tells, you know, exactly where there could be a problem, what you're going to do about it, how you're going to monitor it, how you're going to test it, what corrective action you're going to take.
02:28:15.000It's really detailed, and it's up to their approval.
02:28:19.000So if they don't like what you've written, they can say, go back and do it again.
02:28:23.000Hey, but that's like Mao's Great Leap Forward.
02:28:25.000I mean, the government's going to help us.
02:28:28.000You know, it's, you know, there is, there are a lot of problems at the big agribusiness, big ag, you know, big food level.
02:28:36.000But, you know, we're not seeing problems.
02:28:38.000You know, the local jam makers... Yeah, and folks are finding out the local markets are better, and that's not going to be allowed, so here come the police!
02:28:46.000It's going to be, you know, it's one of those things that it's going to, I'm not sure how I say won't be allowed, but it's going to be a lot more difficult.
02:28:52.000It's going to be one of those things that we're going to go from this thriving, vibrant, growing movement to, you know, a few people trying to hold on.
02:28:59.000Yeah, now they're going to nickel and dime you.
02:29:01.000Listen, they already have undercover police at the Austin markets.
02:29:06.000They're not arresting the illegal aliens, kidnapping people.
02:29:08.000They're there harassing old women selling strawberries.
02:29:11.000And, you know, the bigger it gets, the harder it is.
02:29:14.000You know, when it's at a local level, when it's at a state level, you at least have the opportunity to go face-to-face with folks, go up to the state capitol and talk with them.
02:29:23.000I don't know, I tried talking to some state police this morning and they looked right at me and they said, you get in your car and you get out of here.
02:34:44.000Unless you buy variances like big agribusiness does.
02:34:47.000I saw the cases years ago in the Associated Press where there'd be thousands of violations in Arkansas and they wouldn't get in trouble but then some little plant would get one violation and be shut down.
02:34:58.000Going back to Judith McGarry of uh... the groups that are out there fighting all of this.
02:35:18.000So another one of the things it does is it provides, this is partly enforcement but they don't phrase it as enforcement, it provides that FDA can charge you for the cost of the re-inspection.
02:35:28.000So let's say they come through your little commercial kitchen where you're making a small amount of jam for the local market, and they find you've done something wrong.
02:35:39.000They can charge the cost of coming back.
02:35:42.000And, you know, charge their travel expenses, charge their staff rates, you know, put the financial burden on that small little jam maker, which creates a wonderful incentive for FDA to keep telling small producers, no, you've done something wrong.
02:35:57.000Let's remember, the FDA for more than...
02:35:59.000You know, several decades allows certain amounts of cockroach parts, cockroach feces, rat droppings, rat hair in the food legally, but you're not gonna be on that standard.
02:36:10.000If they don't like how your kitchen looks and doesn't have an OSHA runway to it, you know, you're gonna have trouble.
02:36:17.000And that's one of the core issues here is FDA's discretion.
02:36:21.000There were a lot of changes made to this bill that were intended to sort of be good for small and sustainable farms.
02:36:30.000But they all come down to FDA's discretion.
02:36:32.000So FDA is supposed to provide flexibility.
02:36:36.000FDA is supposed to take into consideration diverse farming practices.
02:36:39.000FDA can choose to exempt small-scale producers, but all of it boils down to what FDA chooses to do, and their track record is not one of helping small-scale producers.
02:36:51.000In fact, it's completely the opposite.
02:36:53.000And so, unfortunately, a lot of the senators are looking at this and saying, but we've addressed the issues for small farms.
02:37:06.000Yeah, so, and I think some of the staff literally doesn't understand it.
02:37:09.000I mean, to be fair to them, I think they don't understand the reality of what it means to be farming on the ground, what it means to be a small-scale producer.
02:37:20.000We need calls going in to the senators right now.
02:37:24.000Saying, you know, you either need to kill this bill or at the very least exempt out the small-scale producers.
02:37:29.000But you've seen all the videos of the Amish and others being raided by police with guns drawn.
02:37:35.000I mean, you've seen those countless videos coming out where they come in and aim guns at people, you know, who have small food co-ops.
02:37:42.000Yeah, I mean, it's scary what's going on.
02:37:45.000It is very scary what is going on and it's at every level.
02:37:50.000And right now it's scattered incidents.
02:37:53.000Um, but the problem is anytime one of those incidents happens, all of us who are in small-scale production look around and go, ooh, could that be us next?
02:38:02.000You know, it's terrifying to live with this idea that, you know, significant chunks of the government don't like small-scale producers.
02:38:10.000And I'll say, you know, and Alex, you and I may disagree on this, but I've talked to some of the government officials at different levels, state, local, federal, and there are individuals in that who are good folks who do support us, who do want to see, Judith, Judith, the same thing in Communist China or Nazi Germany.
02:38:26.000There were Nazis that tried to save Jews.
02:38:37.000And I mean, we have John P. Holdren, head of the White House Science Department, saying they want to destroy an industry and literally knock us back to the Stone Age.
02:38:54.000I just wanted to put in, because I deal with some of these good folks on a regular basis, but the problem is the policies, the people in charge, the dominant theme is still get big or get out, and they're still listening to big agribusiness, and they're still supporting and promoting big agribusiness.
02:39:12.000And this bill gives them every bit of flexibility they need to continue doing that.
02:39:17.000They can continue to basically give a lot of big food and big agribusiness a free ride and, you know, slam down on small-scale producers, you know, the way that bill's written right now.
02:40:05.000And tell them to amend or oppose Senate Bill 510.
02:40:09.000There is going to be an amendment proposed to exempt small-scale direct marketing producers from the two provisions we've been talking about.
02:40:17.000Are Kay Bailey Hutchinson, Bilderberg member, and Cornyn supporting S510?
02:40:22.000We don't have commitments from them either way yet.
02:40:27.000They have not publicly taken positions yet.
02:40:31.000And there's a new twist, speaking of enforcement, which we've sort of skimmed over, that there may be an amendment introduced to also add criminal penalties.
02:40:41.000So, up till now, there haven't been criminal penalties on that bill, but Senator Leahy of Vermont introduced the bill last week to add criminal penalties, and word is that it may get tacked on as an amendment to Senate Bill 510.
02:41:23.000But there's some indication that they may be able to work that out and bring the bill to a vote next week.
02:41:28.000I think if it comes to a vote, it will pass.
02:41:31.000I think if it comes to the floor of the Senate, there are going to be enough Senators who don't want a headline that reads, you know, Senator so-and-so opposes food safety bill, that it will ultimately pass if it comes to a vote.
02:41:46.000A, there's room for it not to come to a vote, and B, if it comes to a vote, we need an amendment to exempt our small-scale producers.
02:41:54.000It's not perfect, it's not the optimum, you know, it's not everything I would have wanted, but it's a good, strong amendment that's being proposed by Senator Kester.
02:42:01.000And they just sell this hysteria of, oh, something's on the spinach coming from big factory farms.
02:42:58.000Melamine not, you know, some melamine not bad for children.
02:43:01.000So something that causes kidney failure and death, they say that's okay from China, but Judith McGarry, she's not going to make Blackberry Jam.
02:43:18.000And the idea that third-party certification, that hiring companies within those countries is going to somehow solve the problem, really defies normal common sense and defies the track record.
02:43:34.000I spoke with one of my folks, actually, who has a supplement company, and he was telling me he brings in ingredients from China, he does, but they do quality control, and he kept hiring companies in China to try to do quality control over there, and every time it failed.
02:43:50.000You know, every time the quality control folks basically sold out.
02:43:55.000And he had to, you know, return a bunch of stuff and keep doing the quality control here.
02:44:00.000And he's a private company and he chooses to do that.
02:44:02.000Did you know about 92% or more, but the numbers I see are 92% of our vaccines are now made in China?
02:44:56.000You know, they irradiate the meat, they MSG, all this stuff.
02:45:01.000They know it's the big mega producers that are as dirty as you can imagine, and they know they can't compete with good locally produced food that's organic and non-GMO.
02:45:11.000And they know there's a rebellion worldwide to it.
02:45:13.000Everything that's happening here is happening worldwide, because this is UN written, as I said earlier.
02:45:17.000What are some other attacks, separate from the bill S-510, that folks need to really get on today, tomorrow, and next week?
02:45:25.000But what are some of the other attacks?
02:45:27.000I know there's a lot of other stuff going on.
02:45:29.000I see the IRS three years ago saying, If your farm or ranch doesn't make money, you work in town but still run it just to keep your farm, to pay the taxes, that's not enough.
02:45:40.000We're going to get rid of any tax exemptions you have.
02:45:42.000I mean, they're really pulling the stops out.
02:46:04.000There's actually a very current fight happening over genetically engineered salmon.
02:46:08.000And, you know, if they manage to push through... Oh yeah, the FDA is going to approve a GMO cross-species that's had insect genes added and will extinct regular salmon, major universities have found.
02:46:39.000The next thing on the list is genetically engineered pigs.
02:46:43.000So, you know, Center for Food Safety is doing excellent work on the genetically engineered salmon issue.
02:46:49.000And that's a very current and very immediate issue.
02:46:53.000There's also regulations that are trying to reduce the control of the big agribusinesses over the market, just the livestock market.
02:47:02.000And we're working on that issue in coordination with other groups and trying to get rules passed, and that's coming up over the next couple of months.
02:47:10.000So, you know, there's this back and forth.
02:47:12.000We're fighting back against agribusiness and trying to break that control, and at the same time trying to prevent them from getting new, bad legislation and regulations in.
02:47:21.000Well, going back to the salmon, here's all these fake environmentalists that want to put taxes on carbon dioxide that plants breathe.
02:47:28.000Meanwhile, they want to approve a salmon which, in major controlled trials, kills and extincts the other natural salmon, and it's a genetically engineered cross-species clone.
02:48:37.000And you look at them and you feel sick and you go, oh, hmm, everybody I know with Crohn's disease, digestive problems, heartburn, I wonder if that might be because most of the corn and soybeans in this country are GMO.
02:49:48.000These are ongoing fights that are happening, and they are incredibly important because the problem is you can't choose to really opt out of the system easily because of the reasons you were just saying.
02:49:58.000The fish escape, the crops cross-pollinate.
02:50:02.000The only way to protect ourselves is to start limiting the use of these GMOs.
02:50:20.000The journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step.
02:50:23.000If we move this movement of real, local, healthy food and really make it grow even faster, that'll give them even more targets to go after.
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02:54:48.000Feds target Americans as terrorists in effort to break back of big government resistance.
02:54:56.000And it gets into, we've got a group coming on tomorrow, a state representative put on the terror list for being part of a second amendment group in Pennsylvania.
02:55:50.000And if we just wake up to it, the nightmare can end.
02:55:53.000The world will never be a perfect place, but we've got a lot better chance in reversing all of this tyranny and corruption.
02:56:01.000But we've got to study history, we've got to see the facts, and we're reaching so many new people every day.
02:56:06.000Thanks to you, spreading the word about InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, making the search terms yesterday, the top search, CNET News and others reported on Obama, Willie's stage of terror attack.
02:56:16.000I mean, we're really having effect, and the system's doing everything they can to try to block us and shut us down and restrict people coming to InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com.
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02:56:30.000Here at the very end of this hour, because gold went up to, what, just $5 short of $1,300 an ounce.
02:56:39.000I wanted to briefly bring Ted Anderson up.
02:56:42.000Ted, watching this situation, it's bittersweet.
02:56:46.000Yeah, we're right again, but it's because the Federal Reserve is buying U.S.
02:56:51.000debt instead of foreign governments or individuals.
02:56:53.000I mean, more and more, they're signaling that it is the long march into depression.
02:56:59.000Yeah, you're right about that, and that's why you're seeing so many institutional buyers get into gold, and so many people walk away from the dollar.
02:57:06.000I mean, just about every newsletter service, even places like Bloomberg and Reuters are saying, buy gold.