Alex Jones is joined by Webster Tarpley and Lt Col. Anthony Schaefer of Able Danger to discuss the latest in the 9/11 conspiracy theories and cover-up, and the Lindsey Williams interview that is taking the internet by storm.
00:00:30.000It is Friday, the 22nd day of October 2010.
00:00:34.000Joining us today will be Webster Tarpley for about 15 minutes later in the hour to talk about the revelations that one of the top al-Qaeda commanders supposedly ran 9-11, the underwear bombing, the Fort Hood shooting, the failed Times the underwear bombing, the Fort Hood shooting, the failed Times Square truck bomb, car bomb attack, Dining at the Piedmont.
00:01:03.000I know we covered this for an hour yesterday, but it's such a big deal, so TARP was going to be popping in.
00:01:07.000And we're also going to talk to Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer of Able Danger about his suppressed book and, well, his take on what's happening with the different intelligence agencies protecting Al-Cieda.
00:01:21.000So, he'll be joining us for a full hour.
00:01:24.000Good job to our producers for getting that done.
00:01:31.000Fifty-eight minutes from now, and of course we have our weekly visit with Bob Chapman on the economy.
00:01:36.000So important to have him on with us once a week as we chronicle and track what's happening all over the planet, including the mortgage gate situation that is just expanding.
00:01:46.000But we'll be talking about Fox's supposed exclusive.
00:01:50.000Al Qaeda leader dined at the Pentagon just months after 9-1-1.
00:02:00.000with Tarpley and Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer coming up today.
00:02:06.000We also have the Lindsey Williams interview that is just taking the internet by storm right now.
00:02:12.000Just huge amounts of traffic to Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com with that interview yesterday and a lot of different news outfits picking up on it.
00:02:27.000I know Lindsey Williams is for real and that his source is for real, but I also just want to add that
00:02:36.000A lot of, you know, old men especially, who are really old and are getting ready to die, they're very matter-of-fact, they're very, especially elitist, are very authoritative in the things they say, and just because this elitist says all of this is going to happen, it doesn't mean it's 100% going to happen or that he has all the information about what's going on in globalist circles.
00:03:14.000And now really the dead fish and the illnesses and the rest of it's out of the news.
00:03:18.000But that's an example right there of his source saying this oil pressure is so incredible and so high that they're basically never going to be able to fix it.
00:03:28.000So that's some good news in that his source is not omnipresent and doesn't have all the answers.
00:03:33.000He talked about this Hispanic prominent activist that he's met with and talked to who's been meeting with Janet Napolitano offering her jobs and Napolitano telling her that you need to get six months of food and water.
00:03:46.000We separately know who that source is confirmed that that indeed did go on.
00:03:52.000And we know the name and that Williams has talked to her and that Napolitano did tell her that.
00:03:59.000But obviously the lady's scared and doesn't want her activist work harmed with what she's doing.
00:04:05.000But the government itself has been building up emergency supplies for decades.
00:04:14.000And we know they could stage a cybersecurity attack, which they're clearly gearing up to do.
00:04:17.000And the Stuxnet worm appears to be just that, the trigger to pass, in the lame duck session of Congress, the cybersecurity takeover, which is the Pentagon takeover of the Internet.
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00:06:07.000As they're finishing off this agenda, they'll be pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.
00:06:12.000We have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.
00:06:19.000I think it's incumbent upon all of us Tim Geithner, Bernanke, they're arsonists!
00:06:37.000And the Congress is saying, "Who do we make the checkout to?" Today seems like nobody does care.
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00:08:28.000And anyone can just look at the news every day and read all the government documents that are public.
00:08:41.000And the former head of Homeland Security, Governor Ridge, last year admitting that the White House issued terror alerts for political gain.
00:08:48.000And understand that they're using the war on terror to take our liberties and freedoms and set up secret police networks.
00:08:57.000Well, at the same time, Homeland Security in the last year has blocked almost all deportations of illegal aliens.
00:09:04.000This has been going on for a long time under Clinton, Bush, and now Obama, but now it's getting more outrageous.
00:09:14.000I have a report here, Homeland Security Department blamed for border fence project delays, budget problems, that's out of Fox News, and came out a few years ago that illegal aliens were building the shoddy fence that was for show.
00:09:27.000They'll put a few thousand troops strung out across the border who aren't allowed to, you know, aid the police or anybody when they're under attack.
00:09:39.000And many people pointed out, we have countless times, that if the 9-11 attacks were real, you would have seen the borders militarized and locked down overnight on September 12th.
00:09:50.000Believe me, the globalists know how to do it.
00:09:51.000They can secure borders in dozens of third world countries they control.
00:09:56.000Our military, our government, is run by offshore corporations and we're used as the muscle to build and enforce their world government.
00:10:06.000And when you read the MIAC reports and Homeland Security reports and all the new reports that have been leaked, you find out they're not spending any of their time dealing with quote Muslim extremists, and to the contrary, they are protecting them.
00:10:58.000And the CIA and the Pentagon knew this.
00:11:00.000And he was saying, what should I do, Ilaki?
00:11:03.000And the full text of these emails has not been released because the CIA declared national security and denied it to Congress.
00:11:09.000How is the CIA denying that to Congress?
00:11:12.000How does the private Federal Reserve get up there in all these banking committee hearings for two years straight, every month, and they say, where's this trillion, where's this $500 billion, where's this $800 billion?
00:11:21.000And they say, we're not going to tell you!
00:11:23.000I mean, there's the corruption right out in the open!
00:11:26.000Okay, and I see police, and I've been to the events, the drills, we've seen it on the news countless times, the police all serious, learning how to run checkpoints, learning how to search homes, learning how to spy on citizens, and oh my gosh, Al-Qaeda is such a threat, and I've been in the airport before, and here in Austin, and seen a TSA worker at the lunch counter, sitting there reading a book that looked like something out of 1984, saying, You know, how someone becomes a terrorist.
00:11:56.000And then, ooh, everybody's gonna... I mean, it's made up, ladies and gentlemen.
00:12:00.000It is manufactured so the globalists have an excuse to take over our society and laugh all the way to the bank.
00:12:07.000And how do they laugh all the way to the bank?
00:12:12.000Well, all of the red light cameras, the face scanning cameras, the license plate reading cameras, all of these systems of control.
00:12:20.000The data mining, the private NSA contractors through Total Information Awareness Network, the hundreds of billions a year that is publicly spent on this, of your tax money, is all run by a handful, less than ten, defense contractors.
00:12:39.000I mean, they're not just getting trillions overall every year to take over 160-plus nations that U.S.
00:12:51.000People are like, well, why would they do this?
00:12:52.000Well, there's profit alone, but there's also the control.
00:12:56.000The big banks that sit at the top of the pyramid of this fraudulent kleptocracy have committed so many crimes.
00:13:04.000They have done so many things that are openly illegal.
00:13:08.000with their looting that they need a police state in control.
00:13:12.000They need a system that is outside the Constitution in the name of national security so they can get away with it.
00:13:18.000Since 1947 with the National Security Act and the establishment of the Central Intelligence Agency, absolutely created out of Yale and Harvard and Skull and Bones, that's mainline news, Skull and Bones was founded by A trust that controlled the opium importation.
00:14:13.000And you've got the light side of the CIA and the FBI.
00:14:15.000You know, you've got the people that are the paper pushers and the people that investigate bank robberies at the FBI and the people at the CIA that create dossiers on different world leaders and infiltrate for information and a lot of them are good people who really think they're fighting, you know, corruption worldwide and spreading truth, justice, and the American way, but you're not!
00:14:43.000When I was in college, I looked at a career in law enforcement, briefly, because I wanted to help people.
00:14:51.000Okay, and I like adrenaline, and I like the idea of going up against bad guys.
00:14:55.000And my dad said, I have a friend who's a federal marshal, why don't you have lunch with him?
00:14:59.000And I went over to his office and had lunch with him, and he said, are you a criminal?
00:15:04.000And I said, absolutely not, I'm, you know, like Mr. Boy Scout.
00:15:07.000And he said, yeah, well, that's why, if I would have done this over again, I, and this is a senior federal marshal, he said, I wouldn't have done this.
00:15:16.000And he said, if you are not basically a criminal, then this is not the job for you.
00:15:23.000So that was a big wake-up call at 20 years old.
00:15:34.000And I was looking at lots of different stuff.
00:15:35.000You know, I was going and talking to people about, you know, being a game warden or, you know, because I could be outside and do stuff.
00:15:41.000And they're like, that's not really what we do.
00:15:46.000So, I mean, if you're talking to a senior federal marshal who was about to retire, And he tells you that if you're not a criminal, you don't want to be involved in this.
00:15:56.000What do you think a senior federal marshal knows?
00:15:58.000What do you think a senior federal marshal knows that he would tell a 20-year-old...
00:16:13.000Somebody who looks like Mr. Apple Pie.
00:16:15.000I mean, when I was 20 years old, folks, I ran six miles almost every day, lift weights for two hours a day, three times a week.
00:16:21.000I mean, I was in 2% body fat, perfect shape, well-spoken, nice.
00:16:25.000And he's got, you know, Leave It To Beavers sitting in front of him.
00:16:29.000And he says, you don't want to do this.
00:16:35.000Because he said, it isn't what it used to be.
00:16:43.000And I didn't understand exactly what he was talking about at the time, but that certainly scared me away from it.
00:16:51.000And when you realize how dirty this government is, when you realize how bad it is, when you realize it's only getting worse, it's a painful thing.
00:17:00.000But living in denial doesn't make those problems go away.
00:17:05.000Living in denial only allows it to all get worse.
00:17:14.000And And so I see the different types of police officers, the hard-working former military types who are just out there following things by the book and they stay low-level and they're out there writing tickets when they're 55.
00:17:28.000But the people that know how to play the criminal game The people who know just how evil the system is and will go along with it, whether they join with it or just passively look the other way, they're going to go to the top.
00:17:49.000You know, I've been out in Los Angeles a lot, and I have been around former police detectives and current police detectives.
00:17:56.000I have had dinner with police detectives.
00:17:59.000I have had dinner with people involved with the Vikings, and that's not a football team in Minnesota.
00:18:06.000That's the police mafia of Los Angeles.
00:18:09.000And they're all just, of course the government did 9-11.
00:18:33.000As an army officer, and in his training, he was supposed to do unbelievably criminal things in Chicago and other cities, and he got out of it.
00:18:44.000I mean, everyone I know in my family, you name it, who has brushed up against this, it's the same report.
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00:23:57.000The point I was trying to make last segment is the corrupt corporations that have been running this country into the ground.
00:24:22.000The robber barons that really took over in 1913, they have been slowly building a giant underground army of criminals and compromised individuals.
00:24:34.000I mean by the mid 1930s they came to the most highly decorated Marine Corps officer or enlisted, in history, two-time Congressional Medal of Honor winner, Smedley Butler, who'd overthrown countless countries for them, they came to him and they said, we want you to help run a coup with 500,000 men we've got, and police, the military, we've got the units ready, we're going to take over the U.S.
00:25:19.000And they said, after you stage the coup, we're going to make you Commandant of the Marine Corps, probably President down the road after that.
00:25:54.000They found the generals, they found the homeland security people, they built the system.
00:25:58.000The RAND Corporation and CFR designed it.
00:26:01.000And we are in a corporate dictatorship right now and they want to start shutting down the internet and free speech.
00:26:07.000They want to try to intimidate the American people.
00:26:09.000They're counting on police and military and others to be ignorant.
00:26:13.000And when the system stages terror attacks and creates a financial atmosphere that causes riots, as you're seeing accelerate in Europe, They have trained you to see the people as your enemy, in the name of protecting them, and to basically march out against us.
00:26:32.000And it's not just the government and the corporations that are decadent.
00:26:34.000The general public is very decadent, is into evil, is into corruption.
00:26:46.000But when you give in to it, your country goes down a rat hole.
00:26:49.000Your country gets flushed down the toilet.
00:26:53.000If they can cheat people on mortgages and take veterans' death benefits and all the rest of the things they're doing, can you imagine what's coming down the road?
00:27:08.000And at the end of the day, you know, I don't feel up to the task of fighting these people, but I don't have a choice.
00:27:16.000I mean, it's either submit to them or stand up against them.
00:27:19.000You think it's fun to stand up against these people?
00:27:20.000You think it's fun to have all their major think tanks attacking us 24-7 and all their paid provocateurs on the web?
00:27:28.000You think it's fun for Rand Paul to have the Republicans and the Democrats coming out against him and Bill Clinton dispatched there to now claim that some group he might have been associated with wrote a newsletter making jokes about black people just totally made up or that he's kidnapping women?
00:27:41.000You think that's fun to have people lying about you?
00:27:52.000It's our duty to do this and I just want to say to everybody who's a bureaucrat or a banker or a cop or anybody, I mean you better really have a gut check and look in the mirror Or turn the lights off this afternoon, sit there quietly in your living room and meditate for a few hours.
00:28:09.000And by meditate, I don't mean like some Buddhist.
00:28:10.000I mean think, cogitate, really ask yourself, get conscious and think, is this a free country?
00:28:55.000In Rothkopf, the head of the Kissinger Group's own words, it's 6,000 superclass.
00:28:59.000There's only 6,000 super minions that have a limited access to the full spectrum of information.
00:29:10.000I have made it my life's duty to study this system, to research it, And to understand it through a historical lens and to read the public white papers by these people of the plan they have for this planet.
00:29:21.000And let me tell you, their plan is one-child policies, forced abortions, Their plan is neo-feudalism.
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00:33:20.000Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer, the head of Able Danger, is going to be joining us for a full hour.
00:33:25.000We're going to have Tarpley on for about 15 minutes.
00:33:27.000Webster Griffin Tarpley, an expert Al-Qaeda leader, dined at the Pentagon just months after 9-11, Fox News exclusive.
00:33:36.000And of course, Tarpley's been talking about Anwar al-Awlaki forever being one of the master dupe handlers.
00:33:43.000This is big news, ladies and gentlemen.
00:33:44.000We're going to be talking about that with Webster here in a moment.
00:33:46.000I first wanted to play just a few minutes of this clip.
00:33:49.000It's followed up by everything that the engineer running for Senate in Kentucky covers.
00:33:59.000And the video is up on PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com.
00:34:04.000Aaron Dykes wrote a big article about it last night.
00:34:06.000West Virginia Senate candidate questions foreknowledge of WTC collapse in live TB debate.
00:34:13.000Jeff Becker, running for the Senate in West Virginia in the Constitution Party, And this was on C-SPAN.
00:34:20.000But the issue here is the courage of this individual and the fact that if you run for office, Governor, State Senate, U.S.
00:34:29.000Senate, whatever, you get into the debates, the town halls, the local TV, the national TV.
00:34:35.000And if you watch C-SPAN these days, Well, every time I do, and I get sent the clips constantly from YouTube, people upload it, they'll take 15 calls in a row saying 9-11's an inside job.
00:34:46.000Every time they've got the former head of Homeland Security or Israeli intelligence, I mean, anybody goes on these shows, they get bombarded.
00:34:53.000That's freaking the system out and they just, independent line, 9-11's an inside job.
00:34:59.000Republican line, 9-11's an inside job.
00:36:07.000on 9-11, Um, Jane Stanley, the reporter for the BBC, was standing right in front, was standing at ground zero and reported that Building 7 collapsed, when in fact, you can still see it over her shoulder.
00:36:22.000And then, 20 minutes later, it did collapse.
00:36:30.000Additionally, Larry Silverstein, the owner of World Trade Center 7 Complex, before 9-11 had taken out a multi-billion dollar insurance policy to protect his property against a terrorist attack.
00:36:43.000And then, in 2002, on a PBS station interview, he said that he gave the order to pull it.
00:36:51.000Pull it is a controlled demolition term.
00:37:09.000There is a preponderance of anomalies surrounding the events on 9-11.
00:37:16.000Architects and engineers, over a thousand degreed and licensed architects and engineers have looked at the information and there's just...
00:37:25.000There's too much, there's so much information that needs to be, that doesn't make sense to the official story.
00:37:30.000The only way for the official story to make sense is if the laws of physics had changed on that day.
00:37:35.000And I'm an engineer and I can tell you that they did not change.
00:37:39.000Okay, then it cuts to all the videos from mainstream news of exactly what he talked about.
00:37:44.000That's an important article because more people can then imitate what he's doing and they can't stop us.
00:37:50.000Even if they try to shut the web down, people run for office, you're going to be on television, you're going to be able to talk about it being an inside job.
00:37:56.000And remember, 9-11's been used to launch all these wars, to take your liberties, to set up this control grid.
00:38:01.000Now, recapping this, we're going to talk about with Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer coming up.
00:38:05.000I got a sneaking suspicion that Fox was leaked this information.
00:38:12.000Al-Qaeda leader dined at the Pentagon just months after 9-11.
00:38:16.000Anwar al-Awlaki, trouble with his name, Anwar al-Awlaki may be the first American on the CIA's kill or capture list, but he was also a lunch guest of a military brass at the Pentagon, including the Secretary of the Army.
00:38:30.000Now, he had already been in the media.
00:38:32.000They'd said that he was behind 9-11, but there he is at the Pentagon.
00:38:38.000And this is the guy they say is behind the Fort Hood shooter.
00:38:42.000This is the guy behind the dud bomb in Times Square.
00:38:46.000This is the guy behind the underwear bomber.
00:38:48.000And in every case, the underwear bomber, the government got him on the plane on record without a visa or passport.
00:38:58.000And, it's like George Bush Senior, meeting on the morning of 9-11 in the Carlisle Group function, London Guardian AP, with the head of the Bin Laden family at his table.
00:39:07.000It's now they say Bandar Bush is running the Al-Qaeda attacks.
00:39:12.000Bandar Bush, the guy on C-SPAN, the ambassador from Saudi Arabia, the guy on Larry King Live, two days after 9-11.
00:39:21.000It's just they're right out in the open, That they're doing this and they stage pure terror attacks like 9-11, then they have other events where they have handlers that go out and find mental deficients.
00:39:31.000They always have low IQs, they're on welfare, they look drugged like the underwear bomber.
00:39:36.000We've only got him for this segment and part of the next because he's got a tape with Genesis, his own Saturday show that's taped every week, World Crisis Radio.
00:39:45.000Webster Griffin Tarpley, doctor of history.
00:40:10.000Well, if you look at my website, Topsy.net, my nickname for this guy is Al-Locky the CIA Locky.
00:40:19.000I think that makes it easy to remember.
00:40:21.000So he's Anwar Al-Locky, and he's a provocateur working for U.S.
00:40:27.000intelligence, and he's part of this gaggle Of murderous thugs, but of course also provocateurs.
00:40:34.000In other words, people who are used for political purposes.
00:40:40.000And typically what Al-Awlaki, his past, if I can just reconstruct it off the top of my head, he was in a mosque in Northern Virginia, where I think a couple of the 9-11 alleged hijackers, the patsies for that, We're attending, and then he was over here in Maryland, and there he got connected to, uh, I guess that must have been Major Hassan, and, uh, later on then, uh, he's connected to the underwear bomber.
00:41:06.000Now, connected, connected simply means that if you have a patsy that has reached the point of ripeness and maturity to do something, and you want to deploy the patsy, uh, as a kamikaze in some way, You want to be able to say, if you're the U.S.
00:41:23.000intelligence community, that this was al-Qaeda doing it.
00:41:26.000So the way you do this is to have them exchange emails with al-Laki, the CIA lackey, and then you can say, aha, again, we told you so, it's al-Qaeda, they do exist, and they do act.
00:41:39.000Now, as far as I know, al-Laki is in Yemen, and he's in Yemen because it was a commitment, you could see it about a year to two years ago, The U.S.
00:41:49.000wanted to build up branch offices of Al-Qaeda and they needed to make this credible, right?
00:41:55.000There's Al-Qaeda in the Maghreb because they want to attack Algeria and Tunisia and maybe Morocco and places like this, but they also wanted To have Al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula, in Yemen.
00:42:09.000And the reason to have it in Yemen is that Yemen, of course, is strategic because it happens to control the exit from the Red Sea.
00:42:16.000In other words, most of the traffic that comes out of the Suez Canal has got to go down the Red Sea and then out into the Indian Ocean by Yemen.
00:42:25.000But the other advantage of Yemen is it gives you a chance to run destabilization operations into Saudi Arabia, which is something you have to do from the point of view of these people at certain times.
00:42:37.000So if you have al-Awlaki in Yemen, you can argue, aha, there's al-Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula.
00:42:43.000And the other thing is in order to make sure that they had some members, this is the case where they let some people out of Guantanamo, the people who had been rotting away in Guantanamo, and they said, all right, fine, we're going to let you out.
00:43:18.000And the idea that Al-Aulaqi is there, I mean, it reminds you of these things like, you know, Bin Laden treated in a U.S.
00:43:26.000military hospital in somewhere in the Gulf, right, around the time of Of 9-11.
00:43:33.000It simply shows the intimate links between the intelligence and the military intelligence people, and this stable of patsies and provocateurs, double agents, who, these are the winning ones, right?
00:43:47.000Al-Raqqi, I'm sure, knows what he's doing, but then the people that he's working with are psychotics, fanatics, mental deficient, drug addicts, and so forth, sort of human pawns that they're quite expendable.
00:44:01.000And the idea that, you know, they would kill the big brouhaha, of course, is that Obama says that he's got the ability to kill a lucky the CIA lackey whenever he wants.
00:44:14.000If if if our lucky overlives his usefulness, then he can be liquidated in some spectacular way.
00:44:20.000And Webster to to to to to quantify this, it's very elementary.
00:44:25.000And for adults out there that that that don't understand what problem reaction solution is, you've got a two trillion dollar plus overall defense budget every year enriching all these groups.
00:44:39.000And if they want to invade oil-rich, opium-rich areas or key strategic zones, they're going to need to have an enemy.
00:44:46.000And so they stage a terror attack, and then in the next nine years, they go and run these Muslim Brotherhood type brigades that are handled by these criminal types to stage events, to stir up mentally ill people, to carry out events, always as a pretext to invade the next sector or to project force into the next sector.
00:45:07.000And so we see a Lockheed handling everybody.
00:45:10.000They need to put in the naked body scanners they'd already ordered that were being delivered in December and January.
00:45:30.000I mean, it's the same story over and over again.
00:45:32.000It's been admitted that the emails to Alaki from Hassan at Fort Hood, and they won't give the full emails to Congress, and that they knew for two years he was planning, and he was asking Alaki, what do I do, your lordship?
00:46:00.000And then briefly, why do you think this document got leaked?
00:46:04.000And its authenticity has been confirmed.
00:46:09.000Uh, Fox News, because, I mean, I think I know the answer.
00:46:12.000The spin here is, oh, good people in the Pentagon were concerned this was just an accident.
00:46:18.000Uh, but, uh, give us your take on that, Webster.
00:46:20.000Well, certainly with Hassan, you'll remember that the original reports, and I think I wrote this up at the time, the original reports on Hassan were that there were, there were other shooters.
00:46:28.000There were one, two other shooters, so... And there was a security drill going on, uh, for, uh, so it's always the same.
00:46:36.000The other thing, of course, it's good that you mention the Muslim Brotherhood because the neocons like to throw this around.
00:46:42.000The Muslim Brotherhood was created by British intelligence in Egypt in the 1920s because they wanted to counteract Egyptian Modernizing nationalism.
00:46:53.000People who wanted to have a modern nation-state and the British wanted to have a counter-gang.
00:47:11.000The Muslim Brotherhood really came into its own under President Nasser of Egypt, who was the classical figure of progressive, modernizing Arab nationalism, with a good chance to build a powerful country.
00:47:24.000And of course, the Muslim Brotherhood was mobilized to try to sabotage that.
00:48:06.000The other one is I think that we haven't paid enough attention to the fact that the Deputy Secretary of State of the United States, Kennedy, at the beginning of this year, right after the underwear bomber on Christmas Day, All right.
00:48:23.000He's the Undersecretary of State for Consular Affairs, meaning visa.
00:48:32.000Why did you let Abdulmutallab, the underwear bomber, why did you let him have an entry visa to the United States, without which he never could have gotten on the plane?
00:48:42.000And he said, well, we wanted to take it away from him.
00:48:45.000But we did an interagency review and there was an agency that came forward, which he didn't name, saying, no, you've got to let him keep his visa because we're, we've got eyes on him.
00:49:00.000And of course, the reality was that's the perfect cover.
00:49:03.000To let him do whatever he did or didn't do, which I guess we still don't know, but the idea is it's a collusion and deception in which these expendable patsies, but again, then you've got the patsy supervisors, the patsy minders, You could probably think of Al-Awlaki, the CIA lackey, as a patsy supervisor and patsy minder.
00:49:28.000And every now and then, for whatever reason, these things are exposed.
00:49:31.000Sometimes it's bureaucratic rivalries, sometimes it's simply...
00:49:39.000There are coincidences in the world and sometimes for various reasons these things come out from people with other motives.
00:49:46.000But the bottom line, of course, is that these events are staged.
00:49:51.000They're part of the management of world affairs by, ultimately, the banking elite.
00:49:56.000In other words, all this stuff It leads back through various mediations back to Wall Street, because if you look again at Yemen, it's not just that you can have dictatorship at home, but you can also attack countries.
00:50:09.000In other words, if I have al-Aulaqi, the CIA lackey, and I've built up an aura around him, a cover story, a legend, that he's really an authentic terrorist firebrand and he blows up buildings and things like this.
00:50:23.000If I send him into a country and he surfaces in the country, say Yemen, I'm now free to bomb Yemen.
00:50:29.000And that's what they've been doing, right?
00:50:30.000The US has bombed Yemen a number of times, allegedly with the idea that they were going after al-Raqqi, the CIA lackey.
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00:53:54.000Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaffer's coming up in the next segment.
00:54:10.000Well, I'm sure you've got to go here in just a few minutes, but other key points.
00:54:15.000Again, why do you think this got leaked?
00:54:17.000Do you think it was somebody, really a good guy inside, or what would be the reason for them to leak this info that the, who they say the number one guy in Al-Qaeda in the world, he's hanging out with the Secretary of the Army?
00:54:31.000Sometimes you have to wait for a few weeks to go by to figure out what the context was.
00:54:36.000It could be that there's a faction fight inside the Pentagon.
00:54:40.000It could be that the faction fight involves what the next step will be, right?
00:54:44.000There may be one group that's more adventurous, that wants to have a false flag, maybe vis-a-vis Iran.
00:54:51.000And there may be another group that says that's not a good idea, and they proceed in this way.
00:54:58.000Or it could just be good guys inside that know that Al-Qaeda is synthetic and that they're tired of it.
00:55:05.000Well, good guys, I wouldn't say good, but lesser evils, let's say.
00:55:08.000There may be lesser evils inside who realize that some kind of a war with Iran, say, if that's what it is, would be a catastrophic adventure, worse than Iraq, most likely leading to a world war within a number of years.
00:55:22.000So there were those considerations, too.
00:55:26.000You mean like Fox Fallon, three years ago, refusing the head of CENTCOM to launch the attack on Iran?
00:55:32.000Yes, somebody who says this is, you know, not for choir boy motives, but simply because even from an imperialist point of view, they might say if you attack Iran, then your Anglo-American imperialism will collapse faster than it would otherwise if you didn't, right?
00:55:48.000Or you might want to wait for Wait for some other option to emerge, right?
00:55:53.000I don't think it makes much sense to speculate, right?
00:55:55.000If you have an inside source report, that's good, but right now I don't have one about this.
00:56:00.000So, rather, I would suggest we look at, you know, what people can do, and since I have you on the phone here, uh...
00:56:07.000in the last minute let me just recommend we there is this birth certificate march on the u_s_ capital tomorrow right that saturday and it starts at noon on the west front of the capital i think it's still birds marching the lawyer from philadelphia you've had a money he'd be went to the supreme court in august of two thousand eight to try to get obama to reveal his birth certificate his his place of birth and all these elementary constitutional things And this is a broad umbrella, right?
00:56:36.000There are all kinds of reasons not to like Obama, right?
00:56:38.000If you're anti-war, if you're anti-Federal Reserve, if you're anti-Wall Street, if you're anti-dictatorship, and so forth, right?
00:57:17.000If he can't produce the birth certificate, this fact meaning a whole series of intelligence agencies foreign domestic wall street uh saudi arabia you name it right any any country you want to name on the list it means that he can't be president of the united states he's the puppet of whoever is blackmailing him with this information i don't know that that's the case but that's the obvious prima facie danger and that's intolerable
00:57:44.000so if he can't produce the birth certificate he He really has to leave office as president because he can't be president if he can't prove that he's qualified.
00:58:03.000We're going to go ahead and try to get Schaefer on the line right now and get into cybersecurity, the wars, Abel Danger, the suppression of his book.
00:58:13.000And a lot more that is all coming up in our weekly visit with Bob Chapman of the International Forecaster on the Economy.
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01:00:11.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:00:15.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:00:20.000Well, joining us for the full hour, and we're very thankful for that, Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer, OperationDarkHeart.com.
01:00:38.000Lieutenant Colonel Schaefer is a highly experienced intelligence officer and recipient of the Bronze Star, 25 years of field experience.
01:00:45.000Tony has commanded and directed several key operations, intelligence organizations.
01:00:50.000These include Special Mission Task Force Stratus IV that conducted direct support of DOD, Compartmentalized Activities, OSD, SOCOM, the Army.
01:01:01.000It goes on if I go through his entire bio here.
01:01:05.000Operation Dark Heart Story, the New York Times bestseller.
01:01:13.000They bought up some of the first books and then blacked out a lot of it.
01:01:15.000So they've really been trying to keep him from telling the politicians, the population of this country and the world, what he told Congress and what was suppressed during the 9-11 commission as well.
01:01:29.000And he joins us to talk about all of this today.
01:01:32.000Colonel, good to have you here with us.
01:01:34.000Well, thank you for having me again, Alex.
01:01:42.000But out of the gates, just recap what happened with your book and what your book does deal with that certain elements of the Pentagon don't want people to see.
01:01:51.000Well, it's ironic, Alex, when you think about it.
01:01:56.000As a matter of fact, we had a deep, detailed discussion about the fact that the Army had just completed reviewing and clearing it the first time you and I talked.
01:02:04.000So, it's interesting that, according to the Defense Intelligence Agency, they have a clue.
01:02:09.000They had no clue that the book was coming until, like, mid-summer.
01:02:12.000I mean, it's just beyond the pale of belief.
01:02:16.000And plus, in addition to mentioning it on your show, I mentioned it on national TV, the O'Reilly Show, Larry King, and in the end, they decided, DOD, with Defense Intelligence Agency leading the charge, literally decided to intercede on the publication of my book the day before the book was going to be distributed nationally.
01:02:36.000So you've got to wonder, why on earth would you wait to the very last minute?
01:02:39.000It was very clear, just to summarize before we get into the details.
01:02:43.000They meant to disrupt the release of the book for any number of reasons, and obviously, despite the fact that it was cleared by the Army, there were apparently a number of things in the book that DOD, and again, the Defense Intelligence Agency, is different than the Army, if your listeners do understand.
01:02:59.000They are distinctively different organizations within the Department of Defense, and often they have different objectives and views.
01:03:05.000And for whatever reason, the DIA has, and I think you and I know why, the DIA has some pretty bad feelings about me and my disclosures back in 2003, initially to Philip Zellicow and Tim Bagram regarding able danger, and then, of course, my testimony, which got me fired in 2005 and 2006. my testimony, which got me fired in 2005 and 2006.
01:03:24.000So it's really those issues, I believe, at the core of why they did this, literally the 11th hour interdiction of the book, trying to cause maximum disruption and havoc.
01:03:36.000Uh, essentially to send a message to others to say, you know, you probably don't want to, you know, break ranks because we're just going to make your life miserable any chance we get.
01:03:44.000And of course we've heard about these new DOD rules that officers can't talk to any media about any subject without authorization.
01:03:51.000Have they been trying to use that on you?
01:03:54.000I did seek and I did obtain guidance before the current publicity tour I'm doing right now.
01:04:02.000And so, essentially, the guidance I've been given is that I can talk about the book, which has been cleared, but I have to be careful that I can't talk about certain elements of the Army, you know, I'm an Army Reservist, so there's certain things I can't talk about within the context of that.
01:04:16.000Uh, and obviously I've been reminded of my security oath, which, you know, I'm not sure if you're aware, but my security clearance was restored as part of the review of the book.
01:04:26.000So obviously they try to use that to prohibit me from talking about the information they took out of the book.
01:04:31.000And that's, and by the way, Alex, that's going to be a subject of a First Amendment suit against DOD here in the very near future.
01:04:38.000Well, let's talk about that suit, what you can talk about that's in the book, and if you can give us any hints in the parameters of the law about what was excised from the book, and we'll also get into some other key issues with Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer, who is a number one bestseller out there right now.
01:07:37.000And the Congress is saying, "Who do we make the checkout to?" Today, it seems like nobody does care.
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01:08:11.000There can be no doubt, megacorporations have basically taken over this country and almost every other nation.
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01:08:27.000OperationDarkHeart.com is the website.
01:08:31.000The book is the Operation Dark Heart Story, now a New York Times bestseller.
01:08:36.000The Pentagon grabbed the book, destroyed the original copies, made a deal with the publisher to block out large parts of it.
01:08:44.000And Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Shafer is one of the chief officers over Stratus Ivey, or the head of that, and also involved deeply in Abel Danger.
01:08:57.000And what is in the book is what he told Congress, and so much came out as the book neared its publication backing up everything he talked about that I think that's one of the biggest reasons they've tried to suppress your book.
01:09:34.000The next big clue that people have talked about a little bit is a book called Horse Soldiers, where General Jeffrey Lambert talks about the fact that not only did we discover Muhammad Ata as part of Able Danger that he was briefed on, he admits this, He was the guy who prohibited me from moving the FBI, the information to the FBI relating to the 9-11 terrorists.
01:09:55.000And then most damning, I think, was a Fox News thing, which was done recently, I think within the last two weeks, relating to the fact that they got a hold of the DOD Inspector General report, God bless them for getting a copy, that was unredacted, which means they could go out and talk to the actual individuals, the DOD IG.
01:10:13.000It had tried to hide the individuals by basically coding which made it kind of a gobbledygook and you really couldn't make heads or tails of who said what.
01:10:24.000They used the Privacy Act as an excuse, but I think clearly their intention was something different.
01:10:27.000Well, anyway, they got a copy of the unredacted report with the names, and of course, the first thing any good investigative organization's gonna do is go back and check, and that's what they did.
01:10:35.000They went back and re-interviewed folks and showed these folks their testimony.
01:10:39.000I'm sorry, the interview results, basically the summary of what was attributed to them.
01:10:45.000And I think everybody they talked to said, that's not what I said.
01:10:50.000And oh, by the way, they left out key information to include the fact that in one instance, one of the witnesses talked about the fact that she was the one who discovered the Mohamed Attaf photo.
01:10:59.000So it's kind of like, you know, those are kind of big facts and why would you leave those out if not for the fact that you had a narrative you wanted to say that any facts counter to that narrative would be deleted.
01:11:13.000So yeah, I think your listeners can go check for themselves.
01:11:18.000And I think one of the grand ironies in all this, Alex, is DOD, right before that story on the DOD IG report came out, the DOD spokesman said they stand by the report.
01:11:26.000So, you've got to ask yourself what's going on if they still stand by a report which has clearly been proven to be less than accurate.
01:11:35.000And why would they be standing by an inaccurate report if not for some reason?
01:11:39.000Well, Colonel, in a nutshell for new listeners, they've heard about Abel Danger, they've heard about Colonel Schaefer, but They heard about your book being suppressed, but they're... You know, what's the bottom line of the story?
01:11:51.000And correct me if I'm wrong, it's that elements of the Army, headed up by you and others, knew the attacks were coming, knew who the people were, wanted to take them out, and you were blocked from doing that.
01:12:03.000And some of that came out at the time.
01:12:12.000And then the media spun it, well, it was a turf battle.
01:12:14.000The CIA and private contractors, you know, weren't sharing information, or they wanted to be able to, you know, be the ones that gave the green light, kind of like it's branches of the regular armed services fighting with each other.
01:12:26.000But I mean, in a nutshell, boil down what Able Danger was doing, as much as you can say, and what the book gets into on that subject.
01:12:36.000Well, Able Danger was essentially a pre 9-11 designed in the 99 timeframe to be an offensive, and this is very critical for your listeners to understand, this was an offensive capability.
01:12:49.000So often in the Department of Defense we defend things.
01:12:51.000This was meant to be something we could go out and take proactive action, and that's the key here, to go after global terrorism, and the primary focus was Al Qaeda.
01:13:02.000That's very clear what the objective was.
01:13:04.000Within the context of that then we started doing and I'll be I can't get into the specific operational objectives, but I Can say that the data mining thing is but one aspect of it And this is the data mining thing while crucial and has become the public face of it There is a lot more to it than that that still cannot cannot be talked to talked about for any number of reasons but they do relate to the fact that The idea was to go after these guys offensively.
01:13:27.000And within the ramp up, any good operation, you have a period of time you're trying to do planning, you're trying to put things together.
01:13:35.000The ramp up portion included the data mining effort, which was to map Al Qaeda.
01:13:40.000And Alex, there was some turf battles, and this is one of those things that recently, Michael Shoyer and I were on a show together, and I think he and I publicly disagree about specific operational issues because I think there was competition, but the one thing I think he and I both agreed on is that the aftermath of whatever you want to call happened, there was no intention of taking information from him or me to try to put the pieces back together.
01:14:05.000With that said, let me continue on the April Danger issue.
01:14:12.000We put, essentially, a blue-ribbon team together.
01:14:15.000General Peter Schumacher, Commander of Special Operations Command, was really the protector of it.
01:14:20.000And the idea was to be prepared, on call, to go after Al-Qaeda.
01:14:25.000And not to interfere with what Alex Station, and there's been a great deal of discussion, public discussion, about Alex Station, Alex Base, and what they did to target bin Laden for covert action.
01:14:36.000We were going after the infrastructure, looking at elements of that infrastructure for purposes of understanding it, primarily, and then at some appropriate time using A variety of techniques and procedures to do something to degrade it, to make it less effective than it might be, and that's where the mystery deepens.
01:14:54.000By the fact that we had continued to work until essentially January of 2001, at which time everything stops.
01:15:03.000There was a briefing to General Hugh Shelton that this was made public, and then that's where the trail kind of ends.
01:15:10.000So you were blocked, bottom line, from frustrating Al Qaeda?
01:15:31.000Headline, CIA in control of Al Qaeda up until day of 9-11.
01:15:37.000She's listening to people inside our government talking to Al Qaeda leadership and you know you see that you think this woman has no reason to lie then we have this Fox News headline yesterday exclusive Al Qaeda leader dined at Pentagon just months after 9-11 Anwar al-Awlaki he's the guy reportedly Behind the Fort Hood nut.
01:16:01.000He's the guy behind the underwear dud.
01:16:05.000He's the guy behind the Times Square, we're told.
01:16:45.000The only way we're going to get to the bottom of anything relating to Anwar al-Awlaki The relationship between he and the Department of Defense and, frankly, the FBI.
01:16:54.000The FBI, at one point in time, if you check the record of Fox News' reporting on this, they actually canceled an arrest warrant for him.
01:17:01.000He was here illegally by the fact that there was a warrant out for his arrest because he fraudulently came to the United States as a foreign student and had his college paid for.
01:17:10.000Well, it's the same thing with a SWAT, the supposed mastermind of 7-7, BBC headline, a SWAT MI6 protected after attacks.
01:17:20.000I mean, here you've got somebody having dinner in a big meeting with the Secretary of the Army, who's a supposed college student, who the news is already saying is involved in 9-11, but if I try to go get into the Pentagon, I'm not going to be able to meet with a sergeant.
01:17:40.000On my Facebook page, I posted the very thing you're talking about regarding the dining and people went wild over it.
01:17:46.000I mean, it's very clearly something people are concerned and should be concerned about.
01:17:51.000And this goes back to the original point of why you and I are talking here today.
01:17:54.000I think there's a narrative out there, no matter what is behind it, there is a narrative Which people are dissuaded from pursuing.
01:18:02.000And that is the narrative of truth, trying to find out what exactly happened.
01:18:05.000There's this alternate history that's been put forward by the 9-11 Commission, which clearly states, and their bottom line is 9-11 was not preventable and we just have to accept that fact.
01:18:20.000Well they started with the preset statement that this was not preventable and we're not going to look at how this happened.
01:18:29.000We're going to look at what we should do and the answer is a police state.
01:18:33.000Well, and to back you up on that a little bit here too, just look at what happened over the last few days, Alex, with Leon Panetta over at CIA.
01:18:42.000And tragically, there was seven CIA officers and two guards lost last year at Camp Chapman.
01:18:48.000And the answer there, and I'm just baffled by this, is Leon Panetta's comments as Director of CIA.
01:18:54.000Well, mistakes were made, but we're not going to fire anybody.
01:18:56.000So, you know, you've got to ask yourself, why would people like me get fired over, you know, trivial allegations which didn't stand up to any legal process?
01:19:06.000You know, that I'll actually use my clearance and my job over, while others who, you know, literally allow tragedies to happen where loss of life are the prime outcome, and nothing ever happens bad.
01:19:17.000I'm fascinated by the disparity of the standards within our own government.
01:19:21.000Well, remember the record up until that time in 2001, the record FBI bonuses were given to the specific leadership that blocked all of the good FBI people who were on the hijackers nationwide.
01:19:34.000Right, and I think that's a point well taken, and I'd like your listeners to understand that there are still good people in the government, it's just that they are often ridiculed, set aside, put in places of limited scope because of the fact that people like me like stirring trouble up.
01:19:49.000And trouble to them is just getting your job done.
01:19:52.000Well, Colonel Schaffer, I mean look, I've got a lot of family who's been in the Army, and almost anyone I've talked to who's been in the Army in my family, the CIA tried to recruit them.
01:20:03.000And one of them was recruited and got out of it because he just says it was completely criminal stuff inside the U.S., drugs, you name it, in Chicago.
01:20:11.000And, you know, the CIA is constantly getting caught with airplanes crashing full of cocaine.
01:20:16.000I mean, my whole issue is we know the government's got a lot of good people in it on the light side, but you've got the dark side that basically operates as a mafia.
01:20:24.000And, you know, I mean, there needs to be an investigation of why one of the top al-Qaeda masterminds, the government tells us, Anwar al-Awlaki, is hanging out with the top brass two months after 9-11.
01:20:47.000But if nothing else, if nothing else, we've got to call into account for these actions you just mentioned.
01:20:53.000I mean, why on earth would you have done this?
01:20:55.000There's other things regarding Al-Awlaki which are still very peculiar, I'll say that, without getting into something too dramatic.
01:21:02.000As well as the 9-11 issues regarding Able Danger.
01:21:04.000I mean, it's one of those situations where, you know, it's very clear that I hit a sore spot again by merely putting, and your listeners, I hope they will go out and pick the book up at some point, Dark Heart, by the fact that I go through in painful detail to give the reader a good understanding of what happened in that room when I mentioned Able Danger to Dr. Philip Zelikow.
01:21:26.000And Alex, I hope you understand, I went in there with as many facts that could be verified as possible so that he could leave that room and go back to the United States and pursue getting the document, getting the information necessary.
01:21:39.000And, of course, one of the big mysteries, and this was something I will talk about because I had to threaten the DOD editors when we went through my book again in early September, that they actually tried to pull a paragraph out where I talk about the fact that Defense Intelligence Agency allowed my 9-11 able danger documents to go that they actually tried to pull a paragraph out where I And I had to threaten them.
01:22:01.000You know, you can pull a lot of crap out, but this is the deal.
01:22:04.000The moment you start pulling information out which relates directly to my congressional testimony, you may do that, but you will lose by the fact that I will just stick a copy of my testimony in the back of the book and people will still see it.
01:22:15.000So, you've got to wonder why, you know, we're talking about information which in some cases is over 10 years old, the disclosure was made in 2003, why would they be interested in Well, for those that don't know, and it's all in the book, Dark Heart, tell us, what did Zelikow, I mean, what did you say to him about Able Danger that freaked him out?
01:22:39.000Well, it was, we were all in this room, this is October 2003, in a combat zone, and Dr. Zelikow and two other, I'm sorry, three other of his staff were actually at Bagram doing kind of a whirlwind tour of the combat zone.
01:22:53.000Trying to find people who had pre 9-11 intelligence that had not been previously provided to them.
01:22:59.000Essentially, I think it was a very wise move to go out and just kind of, you know, hit the, you know, go out into the bush and see what what you find from knocking some rocks over.
01:23:08.000With that said, I don't think they really wanted to find out what was under those rocks based on what happened.
01:23:13.000During this meeting, I had a full hour Where I did a point paper and laid out to him the full scope of a clandestine human intelligence operation relating to Able Danger as well as the Able Danger Project itself.
01:23:29.000And at the end of that hour, there was just stunned silence.
01:23:32.000And I talked about the fact that we discovered the 9-11 hijackers, at least four of them, basically who were in.
01:23:41.000Two of the three cells which conducted the successful 9-11 attacks.
01:23:45.000And most notably, at the end of the meeting, after everybody was getting ready to leave, Zelikow comes up to me, presents his card to me, and says, what you've said today is critically important.
01:23:54.000I need you to come see me when you return to the United States after your tour here in Afghanistan.
01:23:59.000So, um, that was the result, uh, Zelikow being just, I, you know, I can honestly say I think there was a, a, a moment of being stunned by his entire staff and everybody in the room by the fact that talked about our finding Mohammed Atta and the other hijackers in our data, in our data mining effort to target Al Qaeda.
01:24:17.000And there was no doubt of his concern because he personally later admitted, right before my hearings in 2006, that yes, they did go back and check on Able Danger, but according to them, the Pentagon only gave them two briefcase container-sized things and there was nothing in them.
01:24:35.000And this is the peculiar thing, Alex, you know, they've already been told, they've already figured out now the Pentagon's lied to them about a number of things relating to the attack, the NORAD issues and some other things, but for some reason Zelikow still backs the Pentagon on this one issue, saying, oh no, we're sure that the Pentagon is telling us the truth.
01:24:51.000So anyone who's been around Washington any length of time understands the moment someone Well, absolutely.
01:24:57.000like that where you know they've been lied to multiple times but this one thing they're telling the truth on you know they feel they're telling the truth on that means there's something there and i think your listeners are very intelligent and can figure out for themselves that there's some reason they don't want this to be talked about and they're continuing this effort to suppress me and and what i talk about as best they can and i think in this case with my book it backfired on them well absolutely and colonel i mean a lot of people don't know this but it's been in the news but it hasn't gotten the attention
01:25:24.000it should six of the ten commissioners of the 9-11 commissioner on record saying the pentagon has been involved one of them used the term in a criminal Well,
01:25:35.000cover up and that we were lied to by the Pentagon and the White House and then along comes a colonel who is not corrupt and backs up that information and they're trying to suppress your book when a lot of what's in your book, I've now had a chance to read most of it, has already come out in pieces and been confirmed in other declassifications, other books that have been written.
01:25:57.000It's just that you put it all together and have a conclusion that they don't like.
01:26:04.000I think when you put the totality together, you start seeing a picture emerge.
01:26:08.000And this is one of the things, you know, the Army, God bless them, were very good about forcing me during the initial review.
01:26:16.000And let me be very clear here, there is a lot of information That was truly classified regarding things I did in Afghanistan that we cannot talk about because it is truly classified.
01:26:27.000With that said, the Army made me source everything.
01:26:28.000I actually hired a researcher who went through and found open sources of pretty much everything in the book.
01:26:35.000And my objective here, Alex, was not to reveal secrets, but was to create a narrative, a true narrative, that showed factually what happened, what went wrong, and not only regarding the Able Danger thing, but the larger war in Afghanistan, why things have gone so badly wrong there.
01:26:52.000And the last chapter, which you'll see in the book there, is The Path to Victory, where I actually sat down and worked on coming up with reasonable courses of action for the future.
01:27:01.000I went to Ireland, did some original research talking to folks in Northern Ireland regarding the Irish peace process.
01:27:07.000And that's probably what they really don't like, is that you're now trying, in their view, to, quote, meddle in policy when all that's really happening is they're meddling.
01:27:19.000And things are getting worse and worse over there.
01:27:23.000You know, when you... and there's been some huge mistakes here, Alex.
01:27:26.000Let me just say a couple things for your listeners, which are obvious, but I think people, the press in particular, has not done a good job picking up on.
01:27:33.000We announced the surge, and then we announced the five provinces we were putting people into.
01:27:38.000And I've always talked about, this is akin to, would you have told the British to tell the Germans, hey, by the way, we're only going to hit four beaches on D-Day, and these are the beaches, so just be prepared for us to hit on June 6th.
01:27:49.000And then the other thing, when you start looking at the actual effects of what we're doing, this New York Times article from two days ago talked about us being able, basically, slicing up the Taliban, doing a great job of taking Kandahar back.
01:28:02.000Of course it took us six months to do that.
01:28:04.000And Amidwali Karzai, the current governor of Kandahar and the Kandahar province, By the way, President Karzai, President of Afghanistan, comments that the Taliban have left but we don't know where they went.
01:28:21.000It's like trying to nail Jell-O to the wall.
01:28:23.000By the way, his brother is the biggest opium dealer.
01:28:27.000And that's, I think, been very well reported on by a number of credible sources about the fact that, you know, that the reason that the drug problem is as prominent as it is is not only because of the Taliban, but because of elements other than the Taliban, possibly, you know, official elements, being engaged in that very issue.
01:28:44.000And that's why you see, that's one of the reasons you see the slippage of Marjah.
01:28:47.000Marjah was supposed to be the textbook example of how we're going to secure the rest of the country, and you and I both know, Alex, that's essentially stuck back into chaos now.
01:28:55.000So, when you look at the actions of how we've done things, why we're doing them, you've really got to ask yourself, and this is one of the reasons I wrote the book, is for the American people to ask some really hard questions.
01:29:08.000What do we hope to accomplish when everybody, to include President Obama, has talked about the fact that the real issues are not in Afghanistan, they are in Pakistan.
01:29:17.000And until we take those issues seriously, we will continue to essentially make no progress.
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01:33:18.000And I've got a host of subjects I want to cover with him, but summing up your experience there and now watching what's happening in Afghanistan and Pakistan, where do you see the war going versus where you think it should go?
01:33:33.000I think the one critical issue, Alex, that we've continued to not fully understand and deal with is the fact that the real insecurity of that region has to do with the Cold War between India and Pakistan.
01:33:46.000The Pakistanis are far more worried about the Indians and their nuclear program, and rightfully so, because anytime you have people on your border with nuclear weapons, you have reason to be concerned.
01:33:56.000With that said, Afghanistan has become essentially a smaller microcosm Of proxy warfare, much like we did during the Cold War with the Soviets when we were facing off with them.
01:34:07.000Everybody else fell into one of two camps, them or us.
01:34:11.000And I think what you've seen here lately is the Indians, and for any number of reasons, attempting to gain some access to the Afghan region.
01:34:21.000They built a power plant, they've done other things commercially, and frankly the Afghans have partnered with them on some things which have made the Pakistanis very uncomfortable.
01:34:30.000And so you've got things like the Haqqani Network, one of the prime elements of the Taliban, and for your listeners to understand, the Taliban is not a monolithic, self-managed organization.
01:34:42.000It is a tapestry of sub-organizations, often of which have their own objectives relating to their own area of the country.
01:34:51.000We're talking about tribes which have been there for thousands of years who will probably always be there in some form.
01:34:59.000So the Taliban have been successfully, in some cases, co-opted by the Pakistani Intelligence Service, which I talk about in my book.
01:35:08.000The economy network in particular has become a proxy for the Pakistanis who go after the Indian interest in Afghanistan to include launching attacks.
01:35:17.000So the reason I bring this up as a specific is to illustrate the larger issue.
01:35:21.000The fact that we've got to focus not only on the Afghan government because frankly I don't see why we are focused on the Afghan government.
01:35:30.000We have a number of other allies in the region who are not democracies and I cite for you the Jordanians and the Saudis who seem to be doing fairly well as a government but are not in any shape or form a democracy.
01:35:43.000So why are we pushing so hard for a Jeffersonian style democracy where, you know, you're talking about people who think in terms of the 10th century?
01:35:51.000So, I think we're trying to push a noodle up the hill with no even perception of a good outcome for us.
01:35:58.000I think we need to be focused on Pakistan and Pakistan's nuclear weapons.
01:36:02.000And in addition to the Cold War, Alex, what we need to be worried about is the fact that both the Taliban elements in Pakistan and Al-Qaeda have stated clearly without any sort of Clarification other than that they're intended to obtain and use nuclear weapons from the Pakistani arsenal against us.
01:36:23.000And if you look back on the 9-11 attacks, there were actually warnings available to us saying that they intended to do attacks on us, which have been widely talked about.
01:36:32.000So there's no reason to say that they won't do that now.
01:36:34.000Well, Colonel, I mean, here's my issue.
01:36:38.000Clearly, Pakistani intelligence has ran, you know, the major elements or organized the different tribes with the U.S.
01:36:46.000in that nine-year war or ten-year war with the Soviets.
01:36:50.000And then General Hamid Gul, our media says, is this great hero back then.
01:36:54.000Now our media implies, you know, that he somehow I agree.
01:36:59.000big leader, but he's come on this show to say, look, your drone attacks, all of this, it's just stirring people up.
01:37:09.000So my issue is I hear that there's all these Pakistani intelligence connections to the different Taliban groups, which, of course, are in their country.
01:37:20.000But I see more connections with our Pentagon, you know, like al-Awlaki having dinner with the head of the army, than I do to Pakistani intelligence.
01:37:29.000So are you saying Pakistani intelligence is running attacks against our troops?
01:37:51.000The basic fact is we don't understand the culture.
01:37:53.000While I talk about that in my book, I recommend it to your listeners to pick up and Yeah, clearly we don't understand the culture and by our fumbling around in that region, we have helped destabilize the Pakistanis.
01:38:04.000We put them in a position where they have to basically split themselves regarding their own self-interest, which has resulted in the chaos you now see.
01:38:10.000With that said, yeah, I do believe there's elements of the ISI who have encouraged the Taliban to maintain an insurgency in Afghanistan, which resulted in the death of U.S.
01:38:22.000I mean, Ghul himself has been involved, but I think that there are elements are, and I've had friends of mine in the media who have been there, embedded with the Taliban, and gone across the border into Afghanistan.
01:38:30.000But the Taliban is Afghanistan, so what you're basically saying is, just like India's trying to influence, Pakistan's trying to influence, the United States is trying to influence.
01:38:40.000And with that said then, I think the best thing we can do is pull ourselves out.
01:38:44.000And I do agree about the drone strikes as well.
01:38:46.000I've gone, as a matter of fact, it's been ironic, I've gone on several networks to include one where a, you know, I'm fundamentally a conservative thinker and I had a liberal telling me that they thought the drone attacks was the best thing since sliced bread, which I just found fascinating coming out of a liberal.
01:39:00.000But with that said, No, I think the drone strikes are hugely destabilizing.
01:39:34.000So why do we have a different standard of attack in Pakistan?
01:39:38.000Fundamentally, if you don't have a clear shot and you take out what they call collateral damage, you've then created additional generations of terrorists.
01:39:45.000Because, obviously, this region of the world understands the idea very well of vengeance.
01:39:57.000If we had drones attacking northern Mexico, but drones attacking areas in Texas, i.e.
01:40:02.000Pakistan, and just that fundamental primitive level of it's like Skynet has death birds in the air raining Hellfire missiles down on us.
01:40:13.000I mean, that is going to create people that are going to fight back because of vengeance, because of a debt to score, a blood debt, an eye for an eye, and then they're called terrorists, but I mean, bottom line, if somebody killed your family, what would you do?
01:40:34.000They want to have a radical Muslim uprising as a pretext to go into Pakistan.
01:40:39.000And that's what General Hamid Ghul and others have said on this show they believe is the real endgame.
01:40:45.000You know, it's one of those things where you and I may disagree, but the fact is the fact, and what you're stating essentially are the facts as they're now kind of self-identifying.
01:40:55.000The fact is that we have, and I believe, one of the things my think tank has done is we actually, by just taking a step back and looking at the facts, do believe That by the U.S.
01:41:06.000inability, and again, you may attribute it to a deeper objective.
01:41:10.000I attribute it to basically incompetence and not understanding what the hell we're doing.
01:41:15.000The fact that we, by our very actions, have helped destabilize Pakistan, and it resulted in the government being probably the least stable it's ever been, and since its inception in, I believe, 1947.
01:41:27.000And it's not going to get any better by the fact that we continue to do the very bad acts to help destabilize.
01:41:33.000And you've got this nationalistic, long, you know, hundreds-year-old plus.
01:41:38.000I mean, Pakistan and India had, what, two wars last century alone.
01:41:53.000So what is your plan, from the deep research you've done and being over there in the culture deep, what is your plan to extricate ourselves from the region?
01:42:04.000Well, first thing I would do if I were the President, I would declare victory and leave Afghanistan tomorrow.
01:42:08.000And I would just say, we've done our job, we've no longer, we've not had a terrorist attack mounted from Afghanistan since we invaded.
01:42:17.000And with that, I would not completely, like, leave the country.
01:42:20.000think that we would probably leave about twenty thousand troops uh...
01:42:23.000mostly special operations guys there to focus on just elements that we need to focus on to make sure that no other terrorist training camps are created things like that based we're trying to fundamentally make sure that things don't happen uh...
01:42:35.000as they get in and and the uh... the late eighties early nineties or you know we basically left the country for anyone to go in there and do what they wanted and then work with the pakistan is and the indians to negotiate a peace One of the things I found very hopeful, and again you may disagree with me on this, but General Petraeus said two weeks ago that we need to establish a Northern Ireland peace process for the region.
01:42:57.000And you've been saying that six months ago, so maybe they're listening to you.
01:43:56.000To not have trillion-dollar wars, but to actually build some schools and roads, and, I mean, just give cash payments to every person in Afghanistan.
01:44:35.000That's what I'm saying, and I think that's the best course of action for us, to not determine for them what's best for them.
01:44:40.000I think that's arrogant and socially, you know, gonna get us in trouble by the fact we are then trying to nation-build, not do what's necessary to support our own country.
01:44:47.000Well, really, isn't it just the liberal control freaks just love to control countries?
01:44:52.000Well, it's interesting because one of the things, don't get me wrong, when I was there on the ground, and I talk about this in my book, about the fact that when I was down in Kabul, the little kids would come up and want to be our quote-unquote bodyguards.
01:45:03.000And this was them kind of taking us around to shops and they would get kickbacks from us and the shop owners.
01:45:08.000And I always made a point to pick a female bodyguard, which drove the elders crazy because, you know, well that's really a little boy's work, not a woman's work.
01:45:16.000With that said, the liberals have made a cause of this, where they're saying, well, you know, if we leave, the Afghan women will be, you know, victimized.
01:45:25.000You know, as much as that is tragic and I feel personally bad about it, it is not our job to determine every single society's what's good and what's bad for them.
01:45:34.000I mean, I know that sounds harsh, but, you know, the idea of securing a country just simply because we have a social requirement to do so, You know, we're not, we just don't have... But you know that's a cover because the same, quote, liberals love robot drone attacks that blow up whole weddings.
01:45:51.000Right, and so we have imprecise use of force, which I think has caused more harm than good.
01:45:56.000So yeah, the bottom line, Alex, is we need to step away from what we're doing and step away from the cars like government.
01:46:01.000Allow the tribes to exist and come together or not come together as they want.
01:46:05.000And this is a problem we face now, too.
01:46:08.000One of the reasons the Taliban has been so effective, and this is, again, self-evident, but not something that readily is discernible from just looking at the news, when we came in there in 2002, 2003, and began work, the Taliban were hated because of their rigid form of sharia law.
01:46:27.000We've got all this time goes by and the very thing that's drawing them to the people of Afghanistan is this very, very rigid form of Sharia law because the central government cannot give them justice.
01:46:39.000One of the things the central government has completely failed to do is be fair.
01:46:42.000And as you pointed out, essentially it's become a dictatorship.
01:46:46.000It has no relevance to the Afghan people.
01:46:47.000So, when faced with two alternatives, often they will choose the less bad one of the two.
01:46:55.000And in this case, in some cases, they will go to the Taliban to resolve disputes because the government, even when they bribe the government, they can't get it done.
01:47:03.000Plus, it makes the Taliban look like heroes when they're going up against the powerful U.S.
01:47:11.000So, you've got to consider the fact that, you know, when you look at what's going on, what the real facts are, and what we're accomplishing, you've got to, you know, I still question the policy.
01:47:22.000And then, you know, in the end, we're talking about withdrawing under a conditions-based relief where, you know, what we're supposed to draw down.
01:47:30.000But I have yet to be able to find anyone who can tell me or find any specific instances on the internet of what those conditions are going to be next July.
01:47:38.000So if they don't go with your idea or other people's to end this nightmare, briefly, colonel, we're running out of time and I can talk to you for 10 hours, you're so gracious to be with us.
01:47:48.000I mean, how do you see this ending or what direction do you see it going in if they don't inject sanity into the process?
01:47:55.000Well, I think we're talking about the end of the, very similar to the Soviets.
01:47:58.000When we, you know, when we leave, begin leaving next summer, the Taliban, as far as I can tell, has not stopped its momentum.
01:48:04.000And don't forget, everybody's there that we're going to send there now.
01:48:06.000So it'll probably end with, you know, instead of us driving across the Freedom Bridge, it'll be us, you know, convoying out to Karachi and letting things go back to the chaos they were before.
01:48:17.000Because there's just no way we're going to be able to stabilize and maintain the Karzai government unless we're there holding their hand.
01:48:23.000And I just don't see that happening next few years.
01:48:25.000I want to shift gears and get back into the book after the break in our final segment of books.
01:48:34.000Briefly, have you seen the Fox News piece and AP pieces where they go and talk to Marine Corps colonels on video and that our military gives them fertilizer and helps them grow the opium?
01:48:47.000And I understand the argument, well, if we don't do this, you know, then they'll hate us even more.
01:48:51.000But I mean, production's off the charts.
01:48:55.000And our military controls most of those borders and the conduits to ship out.
01:48:59.000And you know how many times in Vietnam and right through the military has been caught and contractors have been caught and that's coming out in federal depositions dealing with XE, formerly Blackwater.
01:49:09.000That, you know, the people running this system, they don't care because it's a black hole to pump money into.
01:49:24.000And the thing is, when I was there in 03, I can cite for you a specific experience I've had on this.
01:49:29.000We knew in 03 that the drug groups were essentially starting to resurge and put things together.
01:49:37.000And we purposely at that time, Alex, turned a blind eye to it.
01:49:40.000And the thinking was, the policy thinking was, if we don't allow them to do this, they'll have no income.
01:49:45.000And the ultimate result has been, obviously, for other elements of the Afghan government and the Taliban to benefit from this illicit drug trade.
01:49:53.000So, you know, there's really no new policy or no real effort to stem the tide of the drugs for any number of reasons.
01:50:00.000And I think it's one of those situations that That no one in the government's going to admit to the fact that the, you know, if you look at what's going on, the facts don't meet with the policy.
01:50:11.000The policy is obviously we're trying to stop it, but the reality is, you know, I think we've done far more to give it lip service than actually take any action one way or another to actually try to stop it.
01:50:21.000Well, wait, giving them fertilizer and helping guard it, I mean, that's not just taking no action.
01:50:27.000I mean, the production's off the charts.
01:50:29.000And again, you've got to ask yourself, what are we trying to do there if we're allowing this to happen?
01:50:35.000Yeah, well, I mean, it's hidden in plain view.
01:50:39.000$500 billion opium, 92% of world production.
01:50:41.000It was down to like 10% with the hardcore nutty Taliban over there before.
01:50:48.000But we had to go into Afghanistan because the terrorists were over there.
01:50:51.000Now the opium production is off the charts.
01:50:53.000You don't think the CIA or the contractors would be doing something with that drug money.
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01:53:57.000All right, we've only got him for this segment and a little five-minute segment at the start of the hour.
01:54:04.000Then we're getting into all the world news and economic news and Bill Clinton campaigning against Rand Paul in Kentucky.
01:54:10.000It's just incredible, the riots all over Europe, France ground to a halt.
01:54:14.000But I'm going to fire out a lot of quick questions now here at Colonel Schaefer with his new book out, Dark Heart, Operation Dark Heart.
01:54:21.000Colonel, first, I admire and respect your courage.
01:54:24.000I know you've been persecuted for telling the truth.
01:54:27.000And I appreciate you, you know, assessing what's in plain view and is self-evident about this failed war that we're now going into the 10th year of.
01:54:36.000Looking at this situation and looking at all the other things that are happening around the world, I mean, just recapping, where do you see this ending?
01:54:49.000Well, the problem is I think we've been so distracted with the Iraq and Middle East issues relating to Iraq and that sort of thing.
01:54:55.000I don't think we're actually postured to look at the future very well.
01:54:59.000There's some global competitors we have to start thinking about.
01:55:02.000And the Chinese, I think, in particular, are someone who, you know, are going to be our friends as long as we continue to make our payments.
01:55:10.000We've got some huge debt with them, which, you know, if we can't make the payments, I think they may become very mafia-like.
01:55:17.000And I think one of the things we've neglected to watch carefully, and this is something I actually studied back in the 90s, the Chinese as a country, as the government of China, have the desire to become essentially the superpower of the Pacific Rim.
01:55:31.000And we have two allies in particular, besides the Japanese in particular and the South Koreans, there's two other allies in that area.
01:55:38.000The the Australians in New Zealand defend the New Zealand folks the Kiwi who are concerned about what's going to happen Should the Chinese become much more dominant in that region?
01:55:47.000And I think that's one of the things we have to be.
01:55:49.000Well, they've already, as you know, taken over most of the mining for rare earth minerals that are key to missiles, cell phones.
01:55:55.000And China has announced they are cutting back on rare earth minerals to the United States.
01:56:00.000And so that means we won't be able to make stuff here because they've been smart.
01:56:05.000They've gone out in Africa and Australia and Latin America and South Texas and the Rockies, wherever you can find these.
01:56:11.000And they've literally created a 94 percent global monopoly over this.
01:56:16.000I mean, this Washington has completely destroyed this country's security.
01:56:20.000And I think we've because of our own negligence have not been studying this as much as we should and trying to understand how to do how to play this as a chess game, not as a checkers games.
01:56:29.000So I think that's where we have some real problems coming up over the next 10 to 15 years.
01:56:33.000And I think our kids, God bless them, will have to be dealing with this much more directly than we did.
01:56:38.000And I think it's sad that we're going to leave this legacy for them to deal with.
01:56:41.000Well, the elites of this country made deals with the communist Chinese to accelerate and consolidate wealth, and now we're going to pay big time.
01:56:47.000What's your take on just the state of the banking situation and the mortgage corruption?
01:56:54.000I mean, it's like Washington is just filled with scum.
01:57:00.000We have people who don't have a lot of vision or integrity, and I think that translates badly for the larger country.
01:57:06.000I think you're about to see some of that over the next few weeks in the elections coming up.
01:57:10.000I think there's going to be a backlash to a lot of the status quo.
01:57:14.000And Alex, this is one of those things that, just as a microcosm, I think everybody has to have a certain level of integrity and self-correction inside of them.
01:57:23.000Anytime I ran an operation, I had a very simple test.
01:57:25.000I had the Ed Bradley test and the Joe Six-Pack test.
01:57:29.000I just wanted to explain it real quick.
01:57:31.000Whatever operation I was running, I would always think in my head, if Ed Bradley showed up at my doorstep, would I be able to answer his questions correctly and honestly and still look good on 60 Minutes?
01:57:41.000That was one of my, believe it or not, that was one of my things.
01:57:45.000Secondly, would Joe Sixpack, would some individual, male or female, doesn't matter, in, you know, the Midwest, approve of my use of his or her taxpayer dollars?
01:57:55.000And I think these are very simple, but I think, you know, good rules to go by.
01:58:00.000So, if I couldn't honestly, you know, say that my actions were related in some way to answering an affirmative one of those two questions, then I figured I shouldn't be doing it.
01:58:11.000Wow, that's a simple but succinct way of doing it.
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02:00:11.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
02:00:15.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
02:00:19.000So, Israel has all but admitted that they launched the Stuxnet worm. - Hmm?
02:00:31.000Now Homeland Security says we've got to have the Pentagon basically take the web over and be able to shut it down to protect it because of Stuxnet.
02:00:39.000What's your take on this move to try to censor the web that the White House technologies are?
02:00:56.000I think the internet has functioned well by the fact that it has been left as minimally touched by the government as possible.
02:01:04.000I mean, I think some initial things, and this came out, as your listeners probably know, out of the DARPA project relating to sharing information years ago, and then, you know, kind of took on a life of its own.
02:01:17.000And like anything that is organic, it should be allowed to grow and transmute itself as necessary.
02:01:24.000Any government control or what they're proposing here, the idea of, like you said, we need to be able to shut it down to protect it, I think is but one more control thing that the government should not have.
02:01:35.000Anyone who studies the net at any given time, you can shut down parts of it if necessary.
02:01:40.000The idea of taking over the whole thing is just, it's a bit frightening.
02:01:44.000So there's no reason ever to think about taking over the whole thing because there are so many background services, there's communications going on constantly.
02:01:51.000And the telecommunications infrastructure of this country now depends on the internet.
02:01:57.000There's nothing that happens today that is not somehow internet related.
02:02:01.000So the moment the government determines that they want to shut down everything, they would create literally, Alex, huge chaos in this country by essentially just turning off the spigot.
02:02:11.000By creating the mechanism to be able to do it, that adds the problem of somebody taking it over and doing it, and it creates technicians and experts that know how to do it, who can sell that knowledge.
02:02:23.000So I think we're much better off leaving it diffuse, leaving it as an organic, kind of growing entity that a lot of people have access to, but no one organization owns.
02:02:32.000It reminds me a while back when the French wanted to actually make sure that their whole internet was only done in the French language, which to me was loony.
02:02:40.000The whole idea here is free exchange of information, ideas, and commerce.
02:02:44.000So, again, I don't think the government, in any form, should be the one trying to determine how to control it.
02:02:50.000I think there are elements within the Internet the government has the right to control, their own backbone, there's SIPRNet, NIPRNet, there's all these things which run, you know, Yeah, and they lie and say that, you know, that stuff's open to these worms.
02:03:04.000Well, these worms have to be injected in internally.
02:03:08.000We're almost out of time, but clearly the system is corrupt by and large.
02:03:12.000It's scared of the people waking up, and that's why they're wanting to do this.
02:03:15.000OperationDarkHeart.com, promise me that in the next few months you'll come back on to get more into...
02:03:21.000More into Dark Heart, because Colonel, I could talk to you all day.
02:03:24.000Such a great mind, but in the last minute and a half, anything else people should know about Operation Dark Heart?
02:03:30.000Well, in the summary of the book, and again, I encourage you to pick it up, is it really does talk about the tipping point in Afghanistan.
02:03:36.000I think we had a pretty good idea of what we needed to do to basically just let things happen.
02:03:42.000And then things changed dramatically in 2003, and actually, in the book, There's a confrontation between General Barno, the then Commander of Forces, and of course I was a Major at the time, so you know, obviously I was going to lose that battle, but I tried to point out to him the insurgency's coming and we need to take action to prevent it or limit it.
02:03:58.000And his answer was, well, you know, I really don't care, is what he basically said, and we're going to do things my way.
02:04:05.000And that resulted in the course Which we are currently on, relating to nation building, rather than trying to allow the Afghan people to determine their own future.
02:04:13.000And that's where we argue, I argue, the tipping point came.
02:04:17.000It reads like a novel, so I think your listeners will enjoy it as well as be educated by it.
02:07:59.000He's the T-Rex of political talk, Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
02:08:07.000We're going to Bob Chapman in a moment, but I wanted to talk about this radio broadcast briefly, and the news websites, the films we make, everything we do.
02:08:19.000I think it's important for people to realize that it is a godsend that the internet and alternative media is still alive, free, and growing.
02:08:28.000And I don't want people to, including myself, to take it for granted that any time they could launch a giant cyber attack and use it to shut down the web for a while, and then come in with draconian rules in the aftermath to curtail free speech.
02:08:41.000This is all being proposed by the White House.
02:08:43.000This is being proposed by the Pentagon.
02:08:45.000You just heard Colonel Anthony Schaefer agree with me.
02:09:02.000We don't talk about it nine times out of ten.
02:09:03.000Last night, somebody went into the Genesis GCN Live.com servers.
02:09:08.000You know, corrupted things, wrote over things.
02:09:12.000You know, that's a problem we went through over the years, and we've gotten better and better at being able to stop it, so they just do zombie attacks, zombie computer attacks, where they go take over a bunch of machines, university machines in Tokyo, whatever, and attack us.
02:09:25.000The system is demonizing us at every level.
02:09:29.000Because we're effective, and we're a platform for people like Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, and Max Keiser, and Gerald Salente, and Bob Chapman, and Anthony Schaeffer, and Ron Paul, and Jesse Ventura, and EPA whistleblowers.
02:09:44.000I mean, just think of the guests we have here in our attempt to demonstrate and document with true credibility what's happening.
02:09:51.000I mean, the government knows sodium fluoride attacks children's organs and lowers IQs.
02:09:57.000The government knows DU is deadly for troops.
02:10:00.000The government knows that they've allowed mortgage companies to engage in fraud for over a decade.
02:10:05.000All of this is out in the open, but you got a bunch of people in fancy suits on CNN, Fox, up there talking about their credibility all day.
02:11:03.000Now, whatever you think of what Juan Williams says, I don't agree with much of what he says.
02:11:07.000The point is that it just illustrated to me that, oh, this is now hurting NPR's fundraising because this happened this week and the bad publicity.
02:11:17.000And somehow the media, the dominant media, which isn't so dominant anymore, they've tried to convince patriot groups, libertarians, conservatives, people that are anti-globalist.
02:11:26.000That it's bad for us to ask for money, that it's bad for us to build an operation, that it's bad for us to sell a book.
02:11:34.000Think about that mind game and how crazy that is.
02:11:37.000You've got tens of billions of federal money in behavior placements, what the government calls it, I call it propaganda placement, with storylines in TV shows, fictions, you know, dramas, sitcoms, cop shows, CSI, all of this, that's programmed.
02:11:53.000See, the mainstream media is a government outfit, by and large.
02:11:58.000NPR is totally a foundation outfit, slash government.
02:12:02.000And so, we could do so much more if people remember to support our sponsors, to buy the books, the videos, the t-shirts, it all gets the word out, but plus it supports the overall operation.
02:12:18.000When you're trying to finish a studio, even with the cheapest gear out there that works, and trying to get the people in place, we could do so much more if we weren't spending all our time trying to raise money.
02:12:45.000And I hope a lot of people out there, especially middle class folks, you know, the government comes and raises your taxes and takes your money and then uses it for propaganda against you.
02:12:53.000This is a vote with your dollars to say, hey, we're going to support the alternative media.
02:12:57.000And believe me, this show is having a global effect.
02:13:00.000The films, the broadcasts, the news websites.
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02:14:56.000A bunch of other news with Bob Chapman, who I appreciate holding, theinternationalforecaster.com.
02:15:02.000But Bob, what's your take on what I just said?
02:15:06.000Or you always have a great way of crystallizing it, boiling it down concisely, but, I mean, what's your view on what I just said?
02:15:12.000Well, first of all, listening to the Colonel and yourself earlier, Uh, it just goes to show that the things that we thought were going on are going on.
02:15:27.000And, uh, we're in danger of losing the Internet at any given time.
02:15:31.000Uh, with that said, we have to get more powerful.
02:15:36.000And yes, we know there's a depression going on, and it's gonna get worse.
02:16:19.000And the generation of profits from Genesis goes into all these programs, operating 24-7, reaching all over the world.
02:16:33.000And so doing business, not only with Alex and the things he has for you, but also Genesis itself.
02:16:41.000Well, I mean, Bob, think about, in the spectrum of resistance, Genesis, Ron Paul, the group of guests we have on, the experts, represents the most powerful constellation of resistance against the globalists.
02:17:01.000We're it, folks, and think of the effects we've already had.
02:17:04.000Listeners, just spreading the word about the radio show, the films, the websites, just spreading the word about the information we're covering, the spectrum of powerful minds we bring together, just that is already having a giant effect.
02:17:20.000Realize the immediacy And the seriousness of the time frame we're in on getting the word out.
02:18:06.000So you tell people the truth all the time.
02:18:08.000And that's what this is really all about.
02:18:10.000Well, going back 40 plus years ago when you started fighting the globalists, you're one of the only living, maybe a half dozen people, icons out there.
02:18:17.000I mean, A, could you ever have imagined that the tyranny would actually go this far?
02:18:22.000And B, could you ever imagine, from the meager beginnings, how many people we now reach?
02:18:28.000Well, first of all, we were running around with pamphlets.
02:18:32.000The only one who made anything in the communications business beyond that was Anthony Hilda with his records and then his tapes.
02:19:08.000It's just like other newsletter writers say to me, well, how do you have time and why do you bother to answer people's questions personally?
02:19:18.000And my answer is, look, this is why I'm here.
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02:24:57.000It was worse than what we had thought.
02:25:00.000It's just, it really, it makes me have gut checks just constantly about the amazing, I hoped always in the back of my mind, even though I had all the documents, I knew I was right, that I was wrong.
02:25:37.000And so we have to go on the assumption of all of the ideas for the future that we base upon the knowledge that we have and the history that we've seen that we're on the right track and all the listeners have to realize that and they have to spread the word about the program and we have to keep on digging deeper and deeper and deeper into all of these episodes that come out They pop up everywhere.
02:26:02.000And one of the good things about these episodes happening is that it just shows you over and over again how corrupt the system really is.
02:26:30.000Over the last three years on this program, we didn't get into the intimate details of the foreclosure process, but we said there was something wrong, and particularly in the sale of the syndicated bonds that contained those mortgages, which were a nightmare!
02:26:48.000And you know, I cannot understand why, especially in Europe, that took down 60% of that paper, or those bonds as they're called, That they never made a complaint.
02:27:02.000Didn't that seem strange to you, Alex?
02:27:04.000Yeah, they're sold the same mortgages over and over again.
02:27:14.000And they're really, at the beginning, they were triple B paper, which is like a 4 instead of a 10.
02:27:19.000And now we have just had, that they admit to, the Federal Reserve $1.7 trillion In what is called toxic waste, which is those mortgages, MBS, CDO's and ABS.
02:27:34.000And what they've done is purchased these things and they won't tell us how much they paid for them from the banks to clear them off their books.
02:27:47.000And my guess is 80 cents on the dollar.
02:27:49.000And now they want to sell them back to them for 20 cents on the dollar.
02:27:54.000And the loss in between Goes to all of us!
02:27:58.000We get to pay for it to bail out the banks again.
02:28:02.000And it's things like this that, within that structure, of the, we'll call it the real estate bubble fiasco, there's so many facets to this thing.
02:28:14.000And, you know, we saw about two months ago, Goldman Sachs, which stole about $5 billion, really wanted to Be able to be found wanting, but neither admitting or denying, and they paid $500 million penalty.
02:28:38.000Now, that absolves them of everything.
02:28:41.000But they get to keep the other $4.5 billion.
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02:32:57.000Live from Austin, Texas, Texas, broadcasting worldwide, it's Alex Jones.
02:33:22.000Bye. you We're going to get more into the economy and a bunch of other news with Bob Chapman.
02:33:27.000I'm researching a story that I saw being discussed a few days ago in Australia.
02:33:33.000The headline is, Trades Hall President Kevin Bracken stands by his 9-1-1 conspiracy.
02:33:40.000Very prominent and powerful head of the organization that's causing debates in the Parliament Uh, dealing with this.
02:33:49.000And he said, look, I'm not backing off my statement that it's an inside job.
02:33:53.000I'm not a coward like the rest of you.
02:33:55.000More and more people worldwide are coming out and saying inside job and they don't care what people say to them.
02:34:01.000And it, and, and, and, uh, the poll in the newspaper showed that 67% believe it's an inside job.
02:34:12.000I mean, that has got to anger the system over there.
02:34:17.000So I'm printing some more articles on this, and we're going to be talking about it more.
02:34:22.000But Bob, continuing with the economy and what quantitative easing means, this announcement by the Fed that inflation is our friend to quote, pay down our debt.
02:34:35.000Well, I think it's probably propelling itself more toward A Weimar type of situation.
02:34:44.000If you remember on this program three months ago I said that they were going to go to a QE2 and I was the head of the pack again and I was right.
02:34:55.000And what I didn't know at the time was about three weeks prior to my saying that that the Fed had already gone into the bond markets again And into the what they call a repo market.
02:35:11.000And they were buying and selling bonds.
02:35:16.000In that process, they're injecting money into the economy.
02:35:21.000And this has grown since then over the past three months.
02:35:26.000So I'm telling you this because QE2 began three months ago.
02:35:34.000They just didn't take the time to tell you about it.
02:35:37.000And now you have this official announcement.
02:35:39.000Yes, this terrible deflation is around again.
02:36:00.000Here too far, other governments have allowed The investment of dollars into their country and they haven't said too much about it.
02:36:11.000One of the reasons why is they were all rigging their currencies and they've been doing it since the Second World War.
02:36:17.000And in the process of doing that, what they do, we'll take Brazil as an example, they'll print their currency and then they take the currency, just like the Chinese do, and they go and they buy dollars and that drives the value of their currency down.
02:36:34.000At the same time, They take the money and they buy U.S.
02:36:41.000never said much about it because what that does is it keeps inflation down in the United States because the goods coming into the country are cheaper and it also funds the debt.
02:36:58.000Now they've got a problem where the same characters in these different countries are not.
02:37:05.000Aggressively funding the debt anymore, and they have started to put up barriers against money coming into their countries in the form of dollars.
02:37:15.000And that means if countries are not going to invite dollar-based investors into their country to buy bonds or buildings or companies or whatever, then that inflation That had previously been laid off on all those countries out there is going to back up into the United States.
02:37:39.000So we're going to have more inflation than we had before.
02:37:43.000And that's one of the arguments at this G20 meeting.
02:37:46.000And on top of that, at the G20 meeting, I'm sure they're telling Mr. Geithner, you people got to be crazy.
02:37:55.000You keep on pumping more and more money in, and it doesn't solve the problem.
02:37:59.000And you expect us to be able To not compete with each other and to stop depreciating our currencies to accommodate you when we've accommodated you for years.
02:38:13.000No, we're not going to do that anymore.
02:38:15.000So I don't see much coming out of that meeting because coming back to the Fed and what they're doing in the economy with QE2 and the announcement coming up after the election, of course, to be accompanied by foreclosuregate, which they've been hiding in the media.
02:38:36.000Anybody who is involved in money and finance and economics knows what's going on, and they've seen it already.
02:38:44.000And so this is really just for public consumption, officially to let the world know that we're going to save America, the Federal Reserve is, by pumping out more money out of thin air.
02:39:19.000And driving to work every day now, it's got to be every mile.
02:39:24.000I see cops pulling people over, giving them tickets, and they say, well, we're just enforcing the law.
02:39:29.000No, they're out there revenue generating.
02:39:31.000You can't squeeze blood out of a stone.
02:39:35.000And over 10% of Texas has arrest warrants out for us.
02:39:40.000And then I was listening to local radio admit, because they've had some police chiefs complaining, that they're not allowed to arrest illegal aliens for drunk driving or not having IDs.
02:39:49.000And businesses are basically being allowed to have their drivers be illegal aliens without driver's license and cops are told let them go.
02:39:57.000The bankers are above the law, the police more and more above the law, the illegal aliens, because they're allied with this whole globalist system to drive down the wages, they're above the law, and none of it washes anymore.
02:40:09.000And separately, though, I played a Senate candidate on C-SPAN from West Virginia, an engineer, coming out and laying out how they blew up the World Trade Center towers.
02:40:55.000I mean, I've got an Angus and Reed of 84% New York Times 19, uh, 2006, excuse me.
02:41:01.000But it says Mr. Bracken sparked outrage yesterday when he told John Fain's ABC talkback program that attacks were not the result of terrorist activity.
02:41:10.000He said the story was a conspiracy that didn't stand up to scientific scrutiny.
02:41:16.000This morning, Mr. Bracken phoned in to Fain's program again for a right of reply.
02:41:21.000He said he wasn't phoning as the president of the Trades Hall Council or the Secretary of Melbourne's Union of Australia.
02:41:28.000Mr. Bracken stood by his comments and said he had the support of 50% of the community.
02:41:32.000He also attacked the talk show host that was attacking him, claiming he was ridiculed on yesterday's program.
02:41:37.000Unfortunately, cowards like yourself, this is a quote, have set the political agenda in this country for too long, said Kevin Bracken.
02:41:45.000I won't be coward down to bullies like yourself.
02:41:49.000And he went on, and we'll scroll down and show you a photo of this hero.
02:41:54.000But there's more and more people, professionals, military people, Sybil Edmonds, working with the FBI and NSA.
02:42:03.000I mean, you heard Anthony Shaver if you were listening last hour, folks.
02:42:07.000I talked about the government staging events.
02:42:09.000I talked about how al-Awlaki, the supposed head al-Qaeda commander, meeting with the secretary of the army two months after 9-11 in the Pentagon.
02:42:39.000And I saw the media hyping we were going to be hit by terrorists, and when we get hit by terrorists, give all your rights up.
02:42:45.000I saw that in the months leading up to 9-11, and I could see what they were doing to the point of being able to say they're going to blow up the World Trade Center and blame it on their CIA asset bin Laden!
02:42:55.000I mean, I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen, the guy who the media and the Pentagon tell us is the number one al-Qaeda operative in the world, They are telling us, it's now confirmed, two months after 9-11, when he's on the news as one of the masterminds, he was number three at the time, now he's number one, Anwar al-Awlaki, headline, Al-Qaeda leader dined at Pentagon, just months after 9-11, in a closed door meeting with the top brass and the Secretary of the Army.
02:43:21.000And then he runs the underwear bombing.
02:43:51.000Or are you afraid of a government that puts in naked body scanners and now going in courthouses everywhere and lies to you and says they're not saving the images and it turns out they are?
02:44:00.000I mean, this is a pack of murdering criminals.
02:45:49.000I don't even know if GCNlive.com is back up right now.
02:45:55.000The Israelis tacitly admit they launched the Stuxnet worm.
02:45:59.000Now our media, as I said they would, is saying we've got to give up our rights on the internet, let the Pentagon take the web over, or this worm will get us.
02:46:07.000In plain view, the Western governments, because guaranteed the U.S.
02:46:11.000governments involved, the experts have looked at it, not just Israel.
02:48:55.000Now they're claiming that a newsletter, not even affiliated with him, made a mild joke about black people, and Bill Clinton is running around saying he's a racist.
02:49:49.000I mean, supposing our enemies decided, ah, we're going to have an attack and Bill's looking under the covers to see where the instructions are.
02:49:58.000Well, this is the kind of people they are.
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02:54:25.000And he said, yeah, I've been up a lot tonight.
02:54:27.000They came in, they attacked the servers, they went in and butchered it.
02:54:30.000I came in, had all my news, didn't even notice the Wall Street Journal, or this was already big news today, that the main Tea Party website got blown away during their money bomb.
02:54:40.000Uh, and they have a criminal investigation going on.
02:54:42.000I gotta get Watson on this to write an article that, uh, anti-globalist groups, you can say what you want about the Tea Party Express, but they, they were hit.
02:54:49.000And, uh, it looks like we probably got hit last night, but we've just been trying to fix it, not analyze how, uh, how it was done.
02:54:57.000But there's no doubt they went, got into our, the GenesisGCNLive.com servers and wrecked it.
02:55:03.000The FreedomWorks website is still down, according to this article.
02:55:07.000I don't know if it's been updated as they try to migrate to a new server.
02:55:11.000Same thing, they went in and wrecked the server.
02:55:13.000They didn't just do a denial of service, they got in and wrecked the server.
02:55:57.000But we've got to keep on doing it, because we've got to get people to understand What we're up against, and who's doing what to us, and why they're doing it.
02:56:32.000I think I'm going to call Watson and say, did Obama administration or did Democrats, you know, launch cyber attacks against, you know, opposition fundraising?
02:56:43.000These races are so close, and not all these Republican or Democratic candidates that are anti-establishment are good, but a lot of them, like Rand Paul and others are, and the system is scared because they're losing the House, maybe the Senate, and there's going to be all these new voices there of liberty, and this is our wedge going into the next election in 2012, 2011, to really take the country back Just like the state's rights movement, that's why they staged Oklahoma City, was to blame the state's rights movement that was burgeoning then.
02:57:10.000It's not going to work this time, though.
02:58:16.000Listen, I'm excited that we sold out, or have almost sold out, the two shows with, what is it, 1,500, 1,600 seats, Friday and... Well, it is Friday.