Alex Jones Show - 20101028_Thu

00:00:04.000 Big Brother.

00:00:05.000 Mainstream media.

00:00:07.000 Government cover-ups.

00:00:09.000 You want answers?

00:00:10.000 Well, so does he.

00:00:12.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:00:16.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:00:20.000 Welcome, ladies and gentlemen.

00:00:30.000 Welcome.

00:00:31.000 It is Thursday, the 28th day of October, 2010.

00:00:33.000 We're going to be live here for the next four hours today, going into overdrive.

00:00:41.000 We have a lawyer, Dustin Zaks, who was quoted in the Wall Street Journal as being one of the major law firms that first won victories against the big mortgage firms and began to expose in the last three years the systemic endemic fraud at the heart of the mortgage system.

00:01:06.000 The fact that they're scamming you with all the fees they add.

00:01:08.000 The fact that they don't have the deed chain of custody.

00:01:13.000 We're going to have him on coming up in an hour and a half today.

00:01:17.000 Dustin Zaks.

00:01:19.000 Look, I know we've got big election news and we've got economic news.

00:01:23.000 We're going to cover all that too.

00:01:25.000 It's just this mortgage issue is coming down like a ton of bricks.

00:01:28.000 And it illustrates the fraud of Wall Street and this corrupt system.

00:01:32.000 So Dustin Zaks is going to be joining us.

00:01:36.000 There's a key article in the Wall Street Journal I saw a week ago, back on October 21st, and in the next few weeks we're going to get multiple lawyers on that are quoted in here.

00:01:45.000 They've got three different law firms and then several separate individual lawyers who have been successfully Keeping people in their houses in some cases for six years after foreclosure begins.

00:01:58.000 Six years!

00:02:00.000 And we've been doing other research on the lawyers and pro se litigants and people that are having success against the banksters.

00:02:08.000 That doesn't mean there's some silver all-powerful bullet that will give you a hundred percent victory.

00:02:14.000 But we know if you go to the average real estate law firm, they will just take your money and do absolutely nothing.

00:02:21.000 And so I thought I would go over some of the tactics that are actually working and expose the fraud.

00:02:29.000 And that means even if you are paying for your house, you're not upside down.

00:02:35.000 But you were cheated on the fees and things and the closing cost.

00:02:39.000 You've got an issue.

00:02:40.000 Or if they've sold your loan over and over again, they may try to come in and repossess it later even though you own your house.

00:02:46.000 That's the issue.

00:02:47.000 This isn't just people by the hundred plus thousand on average for the last year and a half straight, a hundred thousand a month out of their houses with foreclosures.

00:02:58.000 It isn't just those people.

00:02:59.000 It's everybody.

00:03:01.000 Because they've destroyed the property deeds system, the common law system by design, the evidence shows, but it could backfire on these people.

00:03:11.000 But it's a niche lawyers spawned housing fracas is the detailed article out of the Wall Street Journal that quotes these different lawyers that have been successful.

00:03:28.000 In some cases, For six years keeping people in their houses.

00:03:35.000 Six years without a payment.

00:03:37.000 I think that's big.

00:03:39.000 And the issue is, why are they able to do that?

00:03:41.000 Because there's so much fraud involved.

00:03:44.000 And then, of course, we're going to do part two, or now part three, of our interview in studio with Randy Kelton, a pro se individual, when I've been doing my research on this, who's following some of the same tactics and going off the research of the successful pro se litigants and lawyers, but also adding a twist to it for going for Fraud lawsuits, getting on the offensive against the banks, not just fighting them in court using these systems to keep your house, but getting on the offensive.

00:04:12.000 And some other lawyers are doing that as well.

00:04:14.000 So we're going to spend...

00:04:16.000 Several hours on this subject today.

00:04:20.000 That said, I want to blitz through some of the most important news when we get back.

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00:07:57.000 Big Brother.

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00:08:09.000 You want answers?

00:08:10.000 Well, so does he.

00:08:12.000 He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.

00:08:16.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

00:08:24.000 Okay, let me just run over a overview of some of the news I've got here in front of me and then we're going to just take your phone calls because I know people are chomping at the bit to talk about all the electronic voting machine fraud, the ballots not sent to the military or the ballots lost, all of the news that's unfolding on the economy front, a bunch of health news, police state news,

00:08:51.000 Warners it's all coming up, but I just want to commend and salute the listeners of this radio slash TV transmission Because you made our two search terms yesterday number one and number two Respectively in both of the terms traded places back and forth for the number one and number two slot throughout the evening yesterday one of them was

00:09:13.000 Conway cover-up, or Jack Conway, the Democratic candidate for Senate in Kentucky, the hottest race in the nation besides Engle and Reed in Nevada.

00:09:24.000 That became the number one search term and generated a lot of coverage and several newspapers did pick it up and hundreds and hundreds of blogs.

00:09:31.000 So we've got a chance if you keep getting that information out about the obstruction of justice that's admitted.

00:09:37.000 By his brother and others that Conway warned with the narcotics investigation there in Kentucky of his brother, a fellow prosecutor.

00:09:46.000 He of course is the Attorney General.

00:09:48.000 That became the number one search term and was the number one search term off and on throughout the evening.

00:09:53.000 Also, 9-1-1 cover-up, dealing with all of these NIST videos they suppressed, now that have been released, that detail bombs going off in Tower 1, 2, and 7, including the New York FBI Director talking about it on video.

00:10:07.000 We know why they tried to suppress this information.

00:10:10.000 So, great job to everybody out there that got the word out on that.

00:10:14.000 It's our job now to contact The media, the TV stations, the radio stations to send them this information because it's come out in a few Kentucky newspapers a week ago but gotten almost no attention until you spread the word about it yesterday.

00:10:30.000 But here's the headline for the article we need to get out to everybody.

00:10:34.000 Conway cover-up media ignores admitted obstruction of justice.

00:10:39.000 PrisonPlanet.com and InfoWars.com is where you will find that article.

00:10:46.000 And it's now been picked up by some other newspapers like Salem News and others.

00:10:51.000 Drug issues plague Attorney General Jack Conway on Kentucky's bid for U.S.

00:10:57.000 Senate.

00:10:58.000 That's just some of the headlines that are out there.

00:11:02.000 Right now, and I'll recap that story coming up.

00:11:05.000 But you notice that talk about Aqua Buddha from 30 years ago in college with Rand Paul here in Texas.

00:11:12.000 Talk of him not being a doctor, which is admitted to be a lie.

00:11:16.000 That is still at fever pitch.

00:11:18.000 I've been monitoring television and radio, and I know you have been as well, many of you.

00:11:21.000 That's all you hear about.

00:11:23.000 You wouldn't think the depression's a problem, the open borders are a problem, the takeover by the federal government of the internet through cyber security is a problem, you wouldn't think the systemic total mortgage fraud is a problem, the Federal Reserve announcing devaluation of the dollar, that's not a problem.

00:11:40.000 The problem is that a woman reportedly ran up towards Rand Paul, and we didn't have the video of this, Because the MoveOn people had edited it, but the witnesses said she charged up to him in his vehicle, trying to throw something in his face.

00:11:58.000 And now, for about a day and a half, the video has been on the web, big articles yesterday and today, at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com dealing with this, and its new video shows MoveOn activists attempting to assault Rand Paul.

00:12:13.000 And to touch someone is an assault, but his car is rolling at about 3-4 miles an hour, She runs up in her wig and begins trying, with the open window, to shove the sign in, and her arms are hanging in the car, and Rand Paul is flailing.

00:12:29.000 And, I mean, what do you think would happen if you ran up to Jack Conway's car?

00:12:35.000 I would suspect if police were around, they'd grab you, throw you to the ground, and jump on top of you, because they don't know if you've got a gun or what you're planning.

00:12:43.000 This is a highly charged National situation.

00:12:47.000 I mean, was she gonna... Could someone have run up like with what happened with, you know, other famous political campaigns and things could get really nasty after that point?

00:12:56.000 And I'm not defending the guy that puts his foot on her shoulder to hold her down.

00:13:00.000 And then she tries to move and he puts a little more pressure.

00:13:03.000 He did not stomp her.

00:13:04.000 And I'm still, you know, saying that I think it was wrong what he did and was excessive, but we're conditioned in this public of the image of police taking somebody to the ground where they jump on their head with their knees.

00:13:16.000 Or, you know, put their foot on your head or put their foot on your hand if you're resisting.

00:13:22.000 And sure, in some cases it's excessive.

00:13:24.000 But the issue here is the media move on and George Soros outfits like Huffington Post, they came out and they tried to imply that she'd done nothing and it was a lie by Rand Paul supporters that she ran up and tried to shove something in the car in his face.

00:13:45.000 And they said it's ridiculous she walked up nicely to show him the sign.

00:13:50.000 Well, that's not what happened.

00:13:51.000 And if you're a radio listener, just get to a computer and go up to PrisonPlanet.com.

00:13:57.000 New video shows move-on activists attempting to assault Rand Paul.

00:14:01.000 And here's the issue.

00:14:05.000 The media takes non-issues and hypes them up, but then when you've got Jack Conway and his brother, Matt Conway, who's a prosecutor, his brother's the Attorney General, there's a narcotics investigation of trafficking and use, they're planning to raid his house, And the detectives go and tell him that they're coming, and tell him, you know, get yourself clean and get yourself ready.

00:14:30.000 Those are quotes out of the Mainline Courier-Journal, a detailed report from the police reports.

00:14:37.000 They then warn his brother.

00:14:38.000 His brother has meetings with these people, the Attorney General.

00:14:42.000 And they go ahead and have the raid on the house.

00:14:43.000 Two days later, nothing's found.

00:14:45.000 Then, the detectives are questioned by other detectives and they admittedly, in the newspaper, they admit, this is admitted, that they lied.

00:14:53.000 And they say, we're sorry we lied.

00:14:55.000 We just think Matt Conway's a good guy and this wasn't true.

00:14:58.000 So we warned him.

00:14:59.000 Gee, we hope we don't lose our jobs.

00:15:02.000 One guy says, I know I won't be in narcotics for sure now.

00:15:05.000 And of course, Conway's brother had to resign from the county where he was the prosecutor over this.

00:15:11.000 And that was actually last year.

00:15:13.000 This cover-up is just coming out now in the last month because there's still a criminal investigation that's open on the detectives lying.

00:15:23.000 Will it just be disciplinary or will they get in trouble?

00:15:26.000 Will they actually get fired or will they be indicted?

00:15:29.000 And according to my understanding of the law, and many other lawyers and police that I've talked to on-air and off-air since yesterday, that is the only move they can have is a criminal

00:15:40.000 uh... indictment of these people because they've admitted they've done it so you have bonafide real hardcore corruption we don't know about the narcotics because he got tipped off but we know that they were basically aiding and abetting him to evade an ongoing investigation we know that they then lied to investigators uh... we now know that they were basically colluding uh... to do this and we know that his brother the attorney general jack conway was involved this came out in the courier journal

00:16:10.000 And other major publications a week ago, just a couple newspapers, and it's never gotten any attention since.

00:16:18.000 And that's why the mainstream media is so discredited and is losing their credibility and is falling apart.

00:16:25.000 Because people know that a guy putting his foot on a lady is nothing compared to the Attorney General and his prosecutor brother and a bunch of detectives Frustrating a narcotics investigation.

00:16:40.000 That is obstruction of justice, bare minimum.

00:16:42.000 It's aiding and abetting, bare minimum.

00:16:44.000 And they admit this now.

00:16:47.000 And they admit they lied during the onset of the investigation to other police investigators.

00:16:53.000 With the county and the state.

00:16:58.000 So, this is very, very serious.

00:17:00.000 And It's even more serious that you can't get this to become a national news story.

00:17:06.000 We're trying right now.

00:17:07.000 It's a very close race with Rand Paul, and after all the false accusations they've slung at Rand, after all the lies, after Conway implied that he's soft on drugs and somehow involved with drugs,

00:17:20.000 and you know talked about supposing marijuana smoking thirty years ago now to know he's covering up a narcotics investigation of his brother and blocking investigations and warning him when he's the attorney general I mean this is very serious and this hypocrite needs to be defeated next week bare minimum and we need to get these articles we've written that are linked to all the mainstream news articles about it so people aren't going to be in denial about this and get it out to everyone but right now

00:17:47.000 I'm going to play the audio for radio listeners, put the videos up on PrisonPlanet.com.

00:17:51.000 Here is this MoveOn.org paid political mercenary, charges through a crowd of supporters, bust through the security, just as the Rand Paul supporters had said three days ago, on the eve of the last debate, bust through them.

00:18:07.000 That's why I told Rand he shouldn't go to the debate.

00:18:09.000 There was going to be some type of setup.

00:18:11.000 And sure enough, there was.

00:18:13.000 I would have not gone to that last debate.

00:18:14.000 And I've been on record saying that.

00:18:18.000 Other minds prevailed in the campaign.

00:18:19.000 They didn't listen to me and many others.

00:18:21.000 So, fine.

00:18:22.000 In fact, I think he ought to quit even campaigning for now and ought to hide out.

00:18:25.000 I mean, there's no telling what they're going to do to him in the next four days.

00:18:29.000 But whatever.

00:18:31.000 Everybody knows more than me, so they do what they want.

00:18:34.000 The point is, his supporters in security told the truth about her busting through.

00:18:38.000 Imagine, a woman busts through, busts through security, runs up, starts cramming a Sign in the window of a moving car.

00:18:47.000 Let's go ahead and play that clip.

00:18:48.000 clip.

00:18:48.000 Here it is.

00:18:49.000 Rand Paul! Rand Paul! Rand Paul! Rand Paul! Rand Paul! Rand Paul! Rand Paul! Rand Paul! Rand Paul! Rand Paul! Rand Paul! Rand Paul! Rand Paul! Rand Paul!

00:19:08.000 Rand Paul!

00:19:09.000 Here is a slow motion.

00:19:16.000 Bad link to Krammen.

00:19:17.000 The wind down with him pushing it down.

00:19:19.000 We're going to go to break.

00:19:26.000 So imagine, a woman in a wig busts through security, runs up to a moving car going three miles an hour, tries to cram it through the window, not once, not twice, three times.

00:19:35.000 It's in there in Rand Paul's face.

00:19:40.000 I mean, obviously, they thought she could have been somebody with a gun or something.

00:19:44.000 So, I don't think it's excessive force now that you look at it.

00:19:46.000 They didn't know what she had.

00:19:48.000 She was acting like somebody trying to bum-rush him.

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00:19:53.000 When they were taking her down, she was smiling.

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00:24:08.000 I haven't gotten into the economy yet.

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00:24:16.000 I haven't gotten into the military news, but it's all coming up.

00:24:21.000 But I said I was going to take a lot of phone calls today.

00:24:23.000 So we're going to go ahead and launch into your calls right now.

00:24:27.000 Carolyn in Tennessee, you're on the air.

00:24:30.000 Hi, Alex.

00:24:30.000 Pleasure to talk to you.

00:24:32.000 I wanted to talk to you about something that's really upsetting me.

00:24:35.000 I went to work the other day.

00:24:36.000 I work at a small Northeast Tennessee hospital.

00:24:39.000 I'm a nurse.

00:24:40.000 And they were telling us that we have to take, it's mandatory to take the flu shot.

00:24:45.000 And I said, no, there is no law saying that we have to take the flu shot.

00:24:49.000 And they said they've written it into their employee handbook that you have to take the shot.

00:24:56.000 And then after thought, they say, well, You can have an allergic or a religious out on it.

00:25:05.000 But if you don't take the flu shot, you have to wear a mask.

00:25:08.000 Yeah, that's standard procedure.

00:25:11.000 And so the implication here is now the flu that's always been here is so deadly that you can't work basically anywhere.

00:25:20.000 They want to phase it in without taking any and all vaccines that the drug makers push on us, even though last year we were confirmed to be exactly right about how it was ineffective, dangerous, and the flu itself was extremely weak.

00:25:34.000 And so this is the intimidation going on with basically people involved in the infrastructure.

00:25:41.000 Uh, in, in hospitals, in government, uh, police, fire folks, uh, and it's just, it's terrible.

00:25:49.000 They are attempting to force it on you, but notice, just like with public schools, uh... and colleges and hospitals they come to you up front and lie to you and don't even let you know there's an exemption to their policy itself not a law and they just say you must do it to make you feel like you're isolated and powerless the good news is they actually passed laws in Massachusetts and New York last year to make you take it.

00:26:17.000 But those laws were found to be unconstitutional.

00:26:20.000 And other regulations were found to be illegal and unconstitutional.

00:26:25.000 So they're trying to make you do this.

00:26:27.000 But you know what?

00:26:29.000 You can print off, just search the term, study shows H1N1 shot lowers immunity, doubles chances of contracting regular seasonal flu.

00:26:41.000 And you will get the Canadian, the British, and the U.S. government's own studies.

00:26:46.000 Uh, that they found in trials last year, that it actually lowers your immunity, and increases your chance of getting the flu.

00:26:52.000 So how about you pass that out to other co-workers, instead of, see, see, see Carolyn, we can't just individually fight this, because then we're isolated.

00:27:01.000 We have to always get on the offensive, and get others riled up about this, so that there's more of us.

00:27:07.000 We either push back against these people, and get on the offensive, or we're always on the defensive, and are only going to lose ground.

00:27:14.000 You see what I'm saying?

00:27:16.000 Yeah, this one drives me crazy because I'm telling people stuff and I'm printing a bunch of junk off from Mike Adams' site.

00:27:22.000 He wrote so many good articles and in fact, the mask doesn't work.

00:27:27.000 It doesn't even protect you against the flu virus.

00:27:30.000 He had a great article on that.

00:27:32.000 The government admits that the flu virus is so small that no mask, unless it's a full respirator over your whole face, stops it.

00:27:39.000 Or the virus just goes into your eyes.

00:27:41.000 But let's stop there.

00:27:43.000 If we search right now on the search engine, study H1N1 vaccine Doubles chances of getting regular flu.

00:27:56.000 You're not just going to have Alex Jones or Mike Adams writing about it, who are great guys.

00:28:00.000 Mike's a great guy.

00:28:01.000 I do my research.

00:28:03.000 You're going to have the major government studies.

00:28:06.000 So that's 100% fact.

00:28:08.000 How dare them try to give you a shot that destroys your immunity?

00:28:12.000 Exactly.

00:28:13.000 And all we need is to go out and get some sunshine.

00:28:16.000 Well, that is the vitamin D. Exactly.

00:28:18.000 There's no silver bullet, but sunshine is the absolute, total key.

00:28:23.000 I appreciate your call.

00:28:24.000 Also getting a lot of other vitamins.

00:28:26.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Jonathan in Kansas.

00:28:28.000 Jonathan, you're on the air.

00:28:31.000 Hey, Alex.

00:28:32.000 Yes, sir.

00:28:33.000 I have some videos for you.

00:28:35.000 Okay.

00:28:37.000 I have one of Terry Reid, basically flip-flopping.

00:28:41.000 Basically, this is an old video.

00:28:45.000 Let's see.

00:28:48.000 Well, I can actually, I'll get back to that, but there's one on YouTube.

00:28:54.000 Well, just remember, Jonathan, a lot of people don't know who you're talking about.

00:28:58.000 Terry Reid was a CIA contractor at MENA with Bill Clinton and others when they were shipping in the cocaine, and he wrote Compromise, Clinton, Bush, and the CIA, and I interviewed him.

00:29:09.000 He's in my film, Police State 2, The Takeover, and he talks about government narcotics trafficking.

00:29:14.000 I met Harry Reid, Senator.

00:29:19.000 Uh, basically, well, Henry, Harry Reid was basically saying that, uh, that he opposed, uh, birth, birthright citizenship.

00:29:30.000 And basically it's on YouTube right now.

00:29:32.000 Well, of course he's always flip-flopping.

00:29:35.000 But stay there.

00:29:35.000 I want you to be able to finish your point, Jonathan, when we come back on the other side.

00:29:39.000 Then we're going to talk to Andre, Perry, Chris, and others.

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00:31:58.000 Hundreds of nations have fallen to tyranny in the last century alone.

00:32:04.000 This is our last chance to not relive history.

00:32:07.000 As they're finishing off this agenda, they'll be pulling the rug from underneath Americans at home.

00:32:12.000 I have tremendous influence on our President and Congress, and they really are calling the shots.

00:32:18.000 I think it's incumbent upon all of us Tim Geithner?

00:32:21.000 Bernanke?

00:32:22.000 They're arsonists!

00:32:23.000 They're asking for more matches!

00:32:24.000 The whole of the republic identifies the enemies of our nation.

00:32:27.000 The criminal offshore cartel, hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government.

00:32:34.000 Tim Geithner, Bernanke, they're arsonists.

00:32:36.000 They're asking for more matches.

00:32:37.000 And the Congress is saying, "Who do we make the checkout to?" Today seems like nobody does care.

00:32:42.000 And right now in Washington, D.C., we have seen a fall of the Republic.

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00:33:02.000 Defending the Republic from enemies foreign and domestic.

00:33:07.000 It's Alex Jones.

00:33:10.000 Okay, I'm going to take 20, 30, 40 phone calls.

00:33:13.000 I'm going to give each caller one minute.

00:33:14.000 I'm going to try to not give you long-winded answers so we can get to the next person on the election, the economy, all of the electronic voting machine fraud coming out all over the nation, mainstream headlines like, you know, democratic voter fraud, pandemic.

00:33:31.000 I mean, it is just everywhere.

00:33:33.000 It is out of control and the system is scared.

00:33:36.000 It came out last week that there are big memos inside the mainline Republican Party about how the RINOs plan on taking control of this Patriot Revolution.

00:33:46.000 So we're being attacked from two different angles.

00:33:48.000 But the big enemy is the establishment Democrats.

00:33:51.000 Who openly support Obamacare, the open borders, and all the rest of it.

00:33:56.000 We need to take over the Republican Party and the Democratic Party.

00:33:59.000 And you see a lot of Democrats coming out and saying they're against Obamacare, they're against open borders.

00:34:05.000 Really starting to flip-flop.

00:34:08.000 And they're doing that because they're desperate.

00:34:10.000 And I've seen Democratic Party strategists on television praising this, saying they're doing what they have to to win.

00:34:17.000 Don't worry, they're lying to people.

00:34:19.000 Well, if they are lying, once they get into office, we'll have them on record and we'll know.

00:34:25.000 This process of throwing the bums out has just begun.

00:34:28.000 This is a major political realignment.

00:34:31.000 This is not business as usual.

00:34:33.000 And we're not going to extricate ourselves from this mess overnight.

00:34:36.000 It's going to take time.

00:34:36.000 Now, Jonathan, you're talking about Harry Reid, the head senator.

00:34:42.000 From Nevada, in deep trouble, way behind in the polls, but magically, in the most populous county, magically the voting machines, according to mainstream news we covered yesterday, are flipping the votes.

00:34:53.000 You can't vote for Sharon Engel there.

00:34:56.000 But you were talking about a video, I haven't seen this, of saying he now opposes birthright anchor baby status?

00:35:02.000 No, he does not now oppose it, but in 1993 he did.

00:35:06.000 Type into YouTube, hypocrite Harry Reid.

00:35:10.000 Well, Jonathan, I appreciate your call.

00:35:11.000 is Harry Reid saying that no sane country would permit birthright citizenship.

00:35:16.000 So you have hypocrisy from him.

00:35:18.000 He'll attack you, say you're a racist or whatever, but he held the same views at one time, and he never really...

00:35:25.000 Well, Jonathan, I appreciate your call.

00:35:26.000 Hypocrite Harry Reid will YouTube it right now.

00:35:28.000 Look, Mexico shoots illegals that come into their country, and I think that's wrong.

00:35:34.000 Other Latin Americans.

00:35:36.000 Mexico is one of the most corrupt, oppressive, draconian nations on earth.

00:35:41.000 No country allows just unlimited illegal immigration and then allows their children to become citizens and gives them welfare.

00:35:48.000 The globalists want to do this to bankrupt the country.

00:35:51.000 Remember, the bankers like the debt to go up because they basically create this money out of nothing but then gain the whole world through the fraud.

00:36:01.000 And I know that all of you understand that, but we have to get that message out to the general public.

00:36:06.000 Doesn't matter what color you are, this country is going to Hades in a handbasket if we do not do something about the open borders now.

00:36:17.000 The globalists are for open borders, hence, I'm against it.

00:36:20.000 Andre in Florida, you're on the air.

00:36:21.000 Yeah, how you doing Alex?

00:36:24.000 I'm a longtime listener, first time caller.

00:36:26.000 Welcome.

00:36:26.000 I was wondering, thank you.

00:36:28.000 Yeah, I was wondering like, you know, if You know, we could do antitrust legislation to break up some of these big companies.

00:36:34.000 Wouldn't that do something to alleviate unemployment?

00:36:38.000 Wouldn't it get rid of, like, uh... Go ahead.

00:36:42.000 No, I was gonna say, wouldn't that, wouldn't we... You know, there's, what, 8 million people who are unemployed.

00:36:47.000 Wouldn't we... If we broke up companies like Time Warner and Bank of America, wouldn't that do something to create, you know, create jobs for people?

00:36:55.000 It probably would, but the first companies that need to be broken up aren't Time Warner.

00:37:01.000 It's things like JPMorgan Chase.

00:37:04.000 It's companies like Bank of America.

00:37:06.000 It's companies like Goldman Sachs.

00:37:08.000 That's the top of the pyramid.

00:37:11.000 Actually, companies like Time Warner, though I don't like them and they're globalist, actually hire a lot of people.

00:37:17.000 I mean, the big oligopolies and cartels that we have are the insurance companies and the big banks.

00:37:26.000 But that's a very good point, Andre.

00:37:27.000 Anything else?

00:37:29.000 Yeah, I was saying that they have a lot of influence based on the fact that they own so many subsidiaries, they have so much control of media, it's hard to get different opinions out into the public.

00:37:42.000 No, you're absolutely right.

00:37:43.000 And speaking of another issue, and I appreciate your call, I was just looking at one of the headlines on Infowars.com.

00:37:49.000 Sharon Engel's top campaign lawyer has given a press conference openly saying, Reed intends to steal this election.

00:37:57.000 And I agree.

00:37:58.000 We are seeing fraud right out in the open.

00:38:01.000 This is amazing.

00:38:02.000 In fact, guys, I didn't see that in my stack.

00:38:05.000 Will you print that for me?

00:38:07.000 Thank you.

00:38:07.000 It's one of the tiles on Infowars.com.

00:38:10.000 Thank you.

00:38:10.000 There's also a video that accompanies it.

00:38:13.000 There it is.

00:38:13.000 Las Vegas Sun.

00:38:16.000 Angle campaign attorney.

00:38:19.000 Reid intends to steal this election if he can't win it outright.

00:38:23.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Perry in Arizona.

00:38:25.000 Perry, you're on the air.

00:38:26.000 Hey there.

00:38:28.000 How's it going?

00:38:28.000 Good.

00:38:30.000 Just a few points, I'll go as fast as I can.

00:38:34.000 Last year, a couple days before Halloween, I'm in the Phoenix metro area, and the sky was absolutely pinstriped with the chemtrails.

00:38:45.000 And it was a few days before, so how long does it take for that stuff to get down?

00:38:52.000 on the ground for our little toddlers to go trick-or-treating and they're kicking it up and they're lower you know and they're breathing all that aluminum in and things like that so just for people to pay attention a couple days before Halloween to see if those stripes are going to be doing that to our kids again and then I suggest to have Matt's suit for a Halloween costume then if that's the case of course.

00:39:17.000 But, uh, you know, I saw that, uh, what in the world are they spraying?

00:39:21.000 And, um, you know, the pilots can't keep flying the same missions over and over again, you would think.

00:39:28.000 You know, they would be affected with that aluminum, too.

00:39:32.000 So, do they transfer them a few days before they fall ill and die?

00:39:36.000 Or, you know, who's flying these planes is what I, the question that I have through watching that film.

00:39:42.000 And I think the bailout must It's where the money has come from for all this aluminum.

00:39:48.000 I don't know if that's true.

00:39:49.000 I have no basis for it.

00:39:50.000 Well, Perry, I appreciate your call.

00:39:52.000 For those that don't know, we're carrying the film, What in the World Are They Spraying?, dealing with the admissions of a giant, secretive geoengineering campaign that's been going on for at least 16, 17 years.

00:40:05.000 They kept most of it classified until the last two years, and this stuff doesn't kill you overnight.

00:40:10.000 It builds up And bioaccumulates in the body.

00:40:14.000 And that's why you're seeing degenerative diseases of the brain now striking more and more young people.

00:40:20.000 It's just epidemic levels.

00:40:22.000 It's part of a larger program.

00:40:24.000 And there's a lot of different programs that are going on in tandem.

00:40:26.000 But if folks want to get the DVD, What in the World Are They Spraying?

00:40:30.000 It's available at Infowars.com, and I suggest you also see my film, Endgame, Blueprint for Global Enslavement.

00:40:37.000 You can also call toll-free to get the film, 888-253-3139.

00:40:43.000 Let's go ahead now and take another call here.

00:40:47.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Chris in Georgia.

00:40:49.000 Chris, you're on the air.

00:40:51.000 Hi, Alex.

00:40:52.000 Yes.

00:40:53.000 You're incredible.

00:40:54.000 I keep looking for Intellectual compromise on your part, but I can't find any.

00:40:59.000 You're incredible.

00:41:00.000 Listen, though, about a couple of things I'd like to ask, but may not get time.

00:41:06.000 I am concerned about something that I feel that you're missing on the Obamacare subject.

00:41:15.000 And I feel like you covered, you know, the insurance, the scam, that it all is fairly well.

00:41:20.000 But Nancy Lord was Ron Paul's running mate.

00:41:25.000 I believe in 1988 as vice presidential candidate.

00:41:29.000 And I heard her say one time at a table some years after that election, she slandered the glass down on the table and said, the American Medical Association is a criminal racket.

00:41:44.000 She is a medical doctor and a bar sanctioned attorney.

00:41:50.000 I am kind of wondering why I've never heard The American Medical Establishment discussed on your show and you talking about the inside workings of them.

00:42:03.000 And Len Horowitz, who you've had on there before, has a whole history of the American Medical Association.

00:42:10.000 Sure.

00:42:12.000 Hey, Chris, listen, I don't know how often you listen to the show, but we talk about the American Medical Association being on the payroll of the Rockefeller Foundation and others constantly. - Yeah.

00:42:25.000 We talk about how the average doctor means well and is compartmentalized and doesn't see the big picture, and we just endlessly I have medical doctors on like Russell Blaylock, Sherry Tinpenny, Ron Paul himself to talk about the corruption.

00:42:42.000 uh... in the medical system i've talked about the death panels i've talked about the insurance companies writing it writing the legislation i've talked about every facet you must be missing the show but uh... i appreciate your call uh... chris uh... i mean i can't really apologize for something i haven't done as you said i keep looking for you to be you know intellectually dishonest or something i don't know Who cares who I am?

00:43:08.000 I mean, who cares?

00:43:10.000 I mean, I know I'm a good person, but what does that have to do with what we're all going to do against this corruption?

00:43:16.000 I mean, I'll be honest with you folks, I'm exhausted today.

00:43:21.000 Every second of this radio show is hell right now for me.

00:43:25.000 It's not like that most days, but every once in a while, you know, I get really tired.

00:43:31.000 I probably only had eight, nine hours sleep in the three days I was in California.

00:43:36.000 Uh... and I'm very tired and uh... I'm here taking your phone calls covering the news.

00:43:44.000 You know, I mean if I talk about a subsection of a bill, you can go check it out.

00:43:49.000 It's up to you to go look it up.

00:43:50.000 If I talk about Jack Conway, the Attorney General, covering up for his brother and the detectives warning him and the detectives admitting they lied and the fact that this is obstruction of justice, I mean you can go read mainstream news articles we're linked to.

00:44:03.000 If I talk about mortgage fraud and corruption, you know, we have experts on about it.

00:44:08.000 I mean, here's an example of the type of stuff we cover.

00:44:14.000 Okay?

00:44:15.000 Research proves gender-bending chemicals affect reproduction.

00:44:20.000 And it gets into Bisphenol A. This is by University of Exeter.

00:44:27.000 Okay?

00:44:28.000 And it says, research proves gender-bending chemicals affect reproduction.

00:44:34.000 And then the University Report goes on to add to all the other big stacks of reports and medical studies that Bisphenol A feminizes boys and hyperfeminizes girls.

00:44:47.000 It makes girls go into puberty early.

00:44:49.000 It makes boys go into it late and be feminized.

00:44:52.000 And they've done studies on frogs, on alligators, but also on mammals, on guinea pigs and rats, and I put a video out explaining that one reason men are feminized and get confused sexually, I'm not saying in every case, that's not the only reason, you know, I'm not even, when I cover this I'm not even making a moral judgment.

00:45:13.000 I'm just stating what the research shows.

00:45:18.000 These chemicals in amphibians actually make them have both sexual organs.

00:45:26.000 And then they, literally it had to be 75 or more articles a month ago demonizing yours truly for making, you know, these joke headlines.

00:45:36.000 Alex Jones says juice boxes make you gay.

00:45:40.000 No, I warned parents and said Bisphenol A lines most juice boxes.

00:45:46.000 And it will hurt your girls and hurt your boys.

00:45:49.000 And then I read studies about it.

00:45:51.000 And then it all becomes, Alex Jones is a kook, Alex Jones is a nut, Alex Jones says juice boxes make you gay.

00:45:59.000 All I did was read university reports about it giving women breast cancer, leading to men having testicular cancer, lowering men's normal testosterone, upping women's estrogen.

00:46:12.000 But instead of all those people addressing something that's hurting them and their own families, it's just easier to make a joke about Alex Jones.

00:46:19.000 So I don't care.

00:46:21.000 That's fine.

00:46:23.000 But it's like an imprinted thing in America that if anybody sticks their head up to warn anybody, well, let's judge them.

00:46:33.000 And it's just frustrating because all we talk about is how the American Medical Association is corrupt.

00:46:39.000 I mean, you must have never listened to the show to make a statement like that, but whatever.

00:46:44.000 I mean, you got to call in and talk about it.

00:46:46.000 And again, it's not that I don't like being criticized.

00:46:48.000 I could care less.

00:46:50.000 It's that I just don't get it.

00:46:51.000 I mean, I just don't even understand it.

00:46:55.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Kathy in Michigan.

00:46:57.000 Kathy, you're on the air.

00:46:59.000 Good morning, Alex.

00:47:00.000 Hi.

00:47:01.000 Hi.

00:47:02.000 I'm a longtime listener and a first-time caller.

00:47:06.000 And I have a little thing here that I received and what you just said, that's so true.

00:47:11.000 Because people, you know, we know who's putting the kibosh on what you're saying and twisting the words.

00:47:17.000 So, you know, that's just a given and you don't even need to spend, waste your time talking about it.

00:47:23.000 I have this thing that we received in the mail.

00:47:25.000 We filled out the short form census and And then all of a sudden we get this thing in the mail, and they want us to fill out the American Community Survey put out by the U.S.

00:47:39.000 Census Bureau.

00:47:40.000 And it's got 40-something questions.

00:47:41.000 What type of toilet do you have?

00:47:43.000 Do you own guns?

00:47:44.000 There's different variants of it.

00:47:46.000 And under the Fifth Amendment, you don't have to fill it out, but let me guess, it's got a little note on it threatening you with criminal penalties if you don't.

00:47:53.000 Yeah, Title 13 U.S.

00:47:54.000 Code Section 141.

00:47:55.000 All lies!

00:47:56.000 All lies!

00:47:57.000 It's been thrown out in federal court in 2000, thrown out in federal court this year.

00:48:03.000 It's complete and total lies, and no one's been prosecuted for it.

00:48:06.000 Just all lies.

00:48:07.000 It's not real.

00:48:08.000 It threatens you and imposes a penalty for not answering the questions, but some of the questions are so Are you in emotional condition or you have difficulty concentrating?

00:48:20.000 What does that have to do with how many people are in the country?

00:48:23.000 Well, that's so they can send CPS to your house.

00:48:25.000 Oh, we show you have children.

00:48:27.000 You're having emotional problems.

00:48:28.000 CPS is here to take your children.

00:48:30.000 Number one, ma'am, you pointed out you already filled out the census.

00:48:33.000 How many people live there?

00:48:35.000 That's the law every 10 years.

00:48:37.000 It goes back to Leviticus.

00:48:39.000 Okay, it's for congressional appropriation.

00:48:41.000 It's for how many members of the House of Representatives your state gets.

00:48:46.000 Okay, so now you get another one.

00:48:48.000 Let me tell you what the census has announced they're going to do.

00:48:50.000 They want to phase in monthly census forms for all Americans, and just like they try to train you to go into naked body scanners to see if they can get away with it, Or they try to give you forced inoculations to see if they can get away with it.

00:49:02.000 Or they try to take your house when it's paid for to see if they can get away with it.

00:49:06.000 Or the Federal Reserve steals tens of trillions to see if they can get away with it.

00:49:10.000 And Jack Conway obstructs a narcotics investigation of his brother to see if he can get away with it.

00:49:17.000 They just see what they can get away with.

00:49:19.000 And I didn't fill anything out.

00:49:21.000 Let me tell you what I did with the census.

00:49:22.000 I didn't fill anything out.

00:49:24.000 I didn't tell them how many live there, because it was attached to a fraudulent document threatening me with jail if I didn't tell them my emotional state.

00:49:33.000 So because they added the lawful questions in with criminal questions, the entire document's a stinking fraud.

00:49:40.000 Okay?

00:49:41.000 So here I am.

00:49:42.000 I haven't vaccinated any of my children.

00:49:44.000 Okay?

00:49:45.000 I haven't filled out any of the census forms.

00:49:48.000 I filter my water.

00:49:49.000 I don't drink fluoride water.

00:49:51.000 You don't like it scumbag government?

00:49:53.000 You know what you can do.

00:49:54.000 Sorry, go ahead ma'am.

00:49:57.000 Well, that's what I wanted to know if you heard of that second survey.

00:50:00.000 Of course!

00:50:03.000 And listen, if you fill it out, they'll go, we got a chump.

00:50:06.000 Then you'll start getting a yearly and then a monthly one.

00:50:11.000 They are training everyone to constantly answer scumbag government questions.

00:50:17.000 Sorry, go ahead.

00:50:18.000 That's all right.

00:50:19.000 I just wanted to bring it to, you know, attention of the public that there's more to the census than just the census.

00:50:26.000 Now they're sending... Some households, including yours, will receive this.

00:50:31.000 But I know why.

00:50:32.000 Because of who we listen to, you know?

00:50:34.000 Well, they're sending it out all over the place.

00:50:36.000 But, ma'am, I appreciate your call.

00:50:39.000 Look, you make your own decision about it.

00:50:41.000 But, you know, you fill out one, here comes another.

00:50:43.000 Now fill this out.

00:50:45.000 Pretty soon they're at your door saying, hey, come over to my house and mow my lawn.

00:50:48.000 I'm the government.

00:50:49.000 Lick my boots, you know?

00:50:49.000 You know what?

00:50:50.000 I'm the government.

00:50:52.000 I make the sun come up.

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00:50:54.000 I'm the government.

00:50:54.000 What would we do without the scumbag government working for foreign bankers?

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00:53:57.000 We've got that Harry Reid clip from the mid-'90s on the floor of the Senate.

00:54:11.000 Talking about anchor babies and how insane it is.

00:54:17.000 I'm going to get to that in a moment.

00:54:20.000 But I meant to get into this yesterday and later I'll Tell the story in more detail if I have time.

00:54:28.000 I don't want to go back to your phone calls.

00:54:31.000 But we flew out of California from our visit to Santa Cruz.

00:54:34.000 We flew into San Francisco.

00:54:37.000 And the lady at the rent car place was interrogating everybody for Homeland Security.

00:54:44.000 And then when we flew out in San Jose, they had naked body scanners in the security checkpoints.

00:54:56.000 And I sat there because Aaron had to unpack the cameras and stuff and then repack them to go through.

00:55:01.000 That took about 10 minutes and we got coffee and sat there for another 10 minutes.

00:55:06.000 Right in front of the checkpoint, watching who they ran through the naked body scanners.

00:55:10.000 I did not see one man run through it.

00:55:13.000 All I saw was women.

00:55:15.000 And I'm sure that's because they've had such a rebellion against it, that's admitted, that they know women are more pliant.

00:55:20.000 And I watched the women put their hands up and go in circles and be scanned.

00:55:23.000 It was the type where they stand between two machines and it beams them with the radiation.

00:55:28.000 And then I watched children, 5, 6, 7 years old, put through it.

00:55:35.000 And it violates U.S.

00:55:36.000 child porn laws, British child porn laws, that's mainstream news.

00:55:40.000 But it's one thing, as I always say, to intellectually know what these scanners are doing, but to sit there and to watch it, and to know the government stages the terror attacks, to know it's all part of training us to do anything they tell us, it was very painful.

00:56:00.000 And I had some tea, I said people walk over to where I was sitting, because they had a coffee place right through the checkpoint, while I sat there on a bench, bugging their eyes out at me, like, why are you looking at this?

00:56:09.000 And I just didn't care, and they went away.

00:56:12.000 I'm not supposed to watch them scanning the women.

00:56:15.000 And the women would pliantly smile and grovel and do whatever they're told.

00:56:20.000 I mean, this country is just in so much trouble.

00:56:27.000 And you're never putting my children through them, ever.

00:56:30.000 I'm not going to submit.

00:56:31.000 I don't travel now on the airlines with my family because I'm not going to give you the chance to have your way with them.

00:56:37.000 And the government says, that's fine, Mr. Jones.

00:56:39.000 We're putting them in all the state and federal courthouses, mobile vans.

00:56:42.000 They're going to go in malls.

00:56:43.000 They're announcing, we're going to make you bathe in radiation.

00:56:46.000 We're going to record your naked body.

00:56:48.000 We don't care what you say.

00:56:49.000 And we're going to go on staging terror attacks and blaming it on the American people.

00:56:52.000 You know, that's the message.

00:56:56.000 And it's just going to get worse from here on out if we don't stand up and say no.

00:57:00.000 Here's Harry Reid.

00:57:01.000 Now he's all for anchor babies and open borders and amnesty, but here he is in 1993.

00:57:06.000 Here it is.

00:57:08.000 If making it easy to be an illegal alien isn't enough, how about offering a reward for being an illegal immigrant?

00:57:17.000 No sane country would do that, right?

00:57:20.000 Guess again.

00:57:22.000 If you break our laws by entering this country without permission and give birth to a child, we reward that child with U.S.

00:57:30.000 citizenship and guarantee a full access to all public and social services this society provides.

00:57:36.000 And that's a lot of services.

00:57:39.000 Is it any wonder that two-thirds of the babies born at taxpayer expense at county-run hospitals in Los Angeles are born to illegal alien mothers?

00:57:52.000 And if you say that today, Harry Reid says you're a racist.

00:57:57.000 But there he was, 1993, a new senator, and that's how he got elected, was talking like that.

00:58:05.000 But once he got in, he's going along with the globalist plan to bring down this country.

00:58:12.000 We are in a fight for the hearts and minds of the American people right now.

00:58:15.000 They're ready to be awakened like they've never been before.

00:58:20.000 And it's up to us to continue to expose these creatures and to reveal their hypocrisy.

00:58:27.000 And we're doing a great job of it.

00:58:29.000 You're doing a great job of it.

00:58:30.000 That's why they're moving to start shutting down the internet and free speech as we know it.

00:58:35.000 But I believe we're going to defeat these criminals.

00:58:37.000 Stay with us.

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00:59:57.000 Big Brother.

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01:00:16.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

01:00:20.000 All right, I'm going to take a bunch of your phone calls in the next 30 minutes.

01:00:35.000 Then we have a lawyer joining us, whose law firm has successfully been defeating the big mortgage companies.

01:00:41.000 It's in a Wall Street Journal article, niche lawyers spawned a housing fracas, and we'll continue with open phones throughout.

01:00:49.000 Hey Alex, how are you doing?

01:00:50.000 I'm a Prison Planet TV member and I think it's great.

01:00:53.000 Again, we're taking a lot of your calls to get your take on all the incredible election fraud in the news, the demonization of Rand Paul, the continuing implosion of the economy.

01:01:01.000 We're taking your calls.

01:01:02.000 Lewis in Florida, you're on the air.

01:01:04.000 Hey, Alex, how you doing?

01:01:06.000 I'm a Prison Planet TV member, and I think it's great.

01:01:11.000 I love it.

01:01:12.000 And I just want to let you know that I remember a few weeks back when the CPS came and stole the Irish baby, That, uh, made me so mad, I went to, um, uh, OathKeepers.org and signed up to join that organization.

01:01:27.000 Awesome.

01:01:28.000 It just really made me mad.

01:01:30.000 Um, I got a question for ya.

01:01:31.000 You know, we got, you're talking about this, uh, possible internet censorship coming up.

01:01:37.000 What is to stop, like, Google right now from, when you type in a search term, And maybe them feeding you back bogus information or something.

01:01:46.000 Well, Google's already been caught doing things like that before, but we know how they're going to shut the web down.

01:01:51.000 I mean, they've said how they're going to do it.

01:01:53.000 Taxes, regulation, prior constraint.

01:01:58.000 They're talking about forcing, when you have one view where the government will superimpose via...

01:02:06.000 Whatever internet company you use, government messages or corporate messages over it, they're talking about taxing alternative media, they're talking about passing laws where if something hurts someone's feelings, there's no judge, no jury, you just get shut down, or if a company claims copyright without going through due process, they shut not just your website down, but ban Okay, I appreciate it.

01:02:30.000 access for one year to five years.

01:02:32.000 And people say, well, how will they implement that?

01:02:35.000 Microsoft and others have announced with the government they want an Internet ID where you have to enter an ID in to even get online on your cell phone, your smartphone, your computer, your laptop, where you won't be allowed to get online.

01:02:48.000 And this is the model they're going with.

01:02:50.000 Okay, I appreciate it.

01:02:54.000 Thanks.

01:02:55.000 Did that answer your question, Lewis?

01:02:58.000 Kind of, but, I mean, if they can alter the search results at their will, that's going to be a bad thing, too.

01:03:07.000 Well, that's why we need to get away from Google with some of the alternatives that are out there.

01:03:11.000 I appreciate your call, Lewis.

01:03:13.000 Good points.

01:03:14.000 Allen, New York, you're on the air.

01:03:16.000 Uh, okay.

01:03:17.000 Thank you very much, Alex.

01:03:19.000 Thank you for all your great work.

01:03:20.000 Thank you.

01:03:21.000 Something, uh, because I'm over 50, I remember something that maybe some of your other listeners, uh, might not have in their minds when they're looking at this, uh, incident with Lauren Valley and, uh, Rand Paul.

01:03:35.000 Uh, that, that goes back to September of, uh, 75.

01:03:39.000 Uh, just watching this woman,

01:03:44.000 and uh... and people restraining her reminded me of the uh... squeaky chrome incident with gerald ford and it you know it's impossible to know when it's unfolding uh... whether or not this woman is potentially a danger to the candidate or not and uh... i think there's another thing to remember your instincts about maybe ran paul hunkering down and keeping a low profile until this election

01:04:14.000 Uh, is probably a very good idea because, uh, not long after the Squeaky Frome incident with Gerald Ford, uh, Sarah Jane Moore popped up and tried basically the same thing and they were able to get that close.

01:04:28.000 uh... to the president or to a candidate uh... because you know they didn't look threatening.

01:04:36.000 I'll tell you what Al, stay there.

01:04:37.000 I want to come back for those that aren't sure what we're exactly talking about to recap what's happened with Rand in the last few days uh... and uh... where you see this uh... going but absolutely uh... it looked like she was trying to make the car wreck.

01:04:51.000 I mean she was running up in the window throwing her sign in people grab her and take her to the ground and it's like oh my gosh I mean, what do you expect is gonna happen?

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01:08:12.000 We're back live, eight minutes into the second hour.

01:08:15.000 We're going to continue later in the broadcast covering a lot of election news and economic news interspersed with two different guests we have joining us dealing with mortgage fraud.

01:08:25.000 One of them is one of the most successful lawyers in the country, according to the Wall Street Journal, beating the mortgage companies over and over again in court.

01:08:34.000 The article, if you want to read it, is Niche Lawyers Spawned Housing Fracas.

01:08:40.000 These are the people going back over the last five, six years that have been trailblazing and discovering the fraud.

01:08:45.000 They're the guys that discovered the robo-signing fraud.

01:08:49.000 In a deposition, they just asked, in one case, going back now five years ago, can we please see title?

01:08:59.000 And can we please see the loan review documents?

01:09:02.000 And they didn't have them.

01:09:04.000 And so that started down this path where you'll have one, in some of the cases, one bank official signing 10,000 foreclosures in a month and admittedly in court saying, we don't read any of it.

01:09:17.000 We don't have deeds.

01:09:18.000 We don't have anything.

01:09:19.000 And that's how you have JPMorgan Chase and Goldman Sachs in mainstream articles, in court, losing now, because they're taking houses they don't even own, much less have the deed to.

01:09:29.000 I mean, this is the free-for-all, and Congress is now announcing that they have passed a law.

01:09:36.000 Obama pocket-vetoed it until after the election, meaning he didn't veto it, he just set it aside.

01:09:42.000 He can sign it later, where they can basically take any house for any reason, and it's the end of property rights.

01:09:49.000 Kind of like they used the banking crisis they created with derivatives to get a blank check to steal trillions in bailout.

01:09:56.000 And then this year they passed the Banking Reorganization Act, which gave the Federal Reserve even more power.

01:10:02.000 And the SEC, more anonymity, so they can't get in trouble for protecting Bernie Madoff and others.

01:10:07.000 So, that's coming up.

01:10:09.000 But I want to continue with your phone calls.

01:10:10.000 Now, if you just joined us, Al in New York, we're going back to him.

01:10:15.000 My gut level instinct last week, and I talked about it on air, was for Rand Paul to not go to the last debate.

01:10:25.000 His instinct to not go was smart because of new lies that Conway would put out on that big platform and because of what they might be waiting for him to do at the event.

01:10:35.000 And look, I'm not for turning and running.

01:10:39.000 I'm always for challenging the enemy when it's on your terms.

01:10:42.000 But he's five to eight points ahead.

01:10:46.000 He's lost some points.

01:10:48.000 I've looked at a wide index of polls.

01:10:50.000 I talked to Ron Paul privately a few weeks ago.

01:10:52.000 And he said, yes, it looks like Rand's, you know, five, six points ahead, but they could pull some tricks.

01:10:58.000 So people, you know, need to know that.

01:11:00.000 And he didn't say it was off record.

01:11:02.000 He talked about it on air as well.

01:11:03.000 The point is, he said he's worried about dirty tricks and things like that.

01:11:07.000 And we all are.

01:11:08.000 And there's election fraud as well.

01:11:11.000 Rand can do TV, can do radio, can do a lot of things.

01:11:16.000 I wouldn't make an announcement if I was him, because in the media I'll make a big issue of him hiding out.

01:11:22.000 But, you know, we're talking four days now.

01:11:26.000 Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday.

01:11:30.000 Four full days, four and a half total, till Super Tuesday.

01:11:34.000 And I have called the campaign.

01:11:36.000 I've talked to their people, gave them my advice, I have talked about it on air, and I've said, don't go to that debate, and I've said, and quite frankly, I would not be at a lot of big public events, because you've seen what's happened to other candidates the system doesn't like.

01:11:54.000 It's not like Rand Paul's going to save the world on his own, but he's a great candidate, a great patriot.

01:11:59.000 I mean, you've seen the Republicans come after him in the primary and pull out all the stops and have Dick Cheney campaign against him.

01:12:05.000 Now Bill Clinton's there campaigning against him for the Democrat challenger, Jack Conway.

01:12:10.000 You see the media literally blacking out huge news of Conway and his brother and clear obstruction of justice in narcotics investigations of his brother and tipping him off about a police raid.

01:12:23.000 This is confirmed.

01:12:24.000 They admit this, but nothing's happening with it.

01:12:27.000 It's getting a little more attention because of the number one search term we did yesterday.

01:12:31.000 It's so important to get this out, but my gut tells me, as I said last week, and I think this has been borne out, that he needs to basically hide out.

01:12:40.000 And it's too close to the election for them to notice that or do anything about it.

01:12:45.000 Quite frankly, going out to little rallies and things is going to maybe pick him up half a percentage point or something.

01:12:51.000 Concentrating on doing local Kentucky radio.

01:12:55.000 He should be doing radio, and I'll guarantee you they want him on radio.

01:12:58.000 He should be doing radio from 6 a.m.

01:13:00.000 in the morning till midnight.

01:13:03.000 That's the real power, that's the listeners talk radio.

01:13:06.000 He should be putting press releases out on his views, you know, every hour.

01:13:11.000 He should be doing national television when it's friendly, you know, a few times a day.

01:13:16.000 Not going all over Kentucky, okay?

01:13:19.000 I think he's in danger.

01:13:21.000 I mean, I don't mean just in danger of stunts being pulled on him.

01:13:24.000 This woman was wearing a wig, runs up, bust through security, she's wearing a disguise, she runs up to the rolling vehicle as it comes to a stop, and is trying to cram the sign in to the open window on him.

01:13:36.000 And trying to reach in.

01:13:37.000 I mean, what do you expect security people to think?

01:13:40.000 You've got a hot Senate campaign that's getting number one attention nationwide, and somebody busts through, runs in, and the Ron Paul supporter three days ago said that's what she did.

01:13:50.000 The media said, oh, you're liars.

01:13:52.000 Now the videos come out, they told the truth.

01:13:54.000 Now, Alan New York was bringing up stuff that was done...

01:13:58.000 Uh, to Gerald Ford, very similar to this.

01:14:01.000 Uh, but I'm thinking something more like, uh, you know what happened, uh, with a presidential candidate they didn't like, uh, right around that time.

01:14:09.000 And you remember he got shot and put in a wheelchair.

01:14:13.000 And so there's so many, so many cases of this type of stuff and I'm telling you, I'm telling you, he's gonna win right now unless they can pull some bigger stunt or have a woman run up at an event he's giving and scream, he raped me, he raped me.

01:14:29.000 I mean, there's no telling what they, what they'll do.

01:14:32.000 And, and I'm just, I'm just really concerned for Rand Paul right now.

01:14:37.000 Al in New York, make your points.

01:14:39.000 Yes, Alex, thank you very much.

01:14:40.000 Well, looking at the video of this Lauren Valley, she really had the same kind of a demented look that Sarah Jane Moore in Squeaky Frome had.

01:14:52.000 And, you know, the security people around Rand Paul shouldn't really hesitate.

01:15:00.000 if another incident happens, because I know that they would probably err on the side of caution next time so that they couldn't be demonized, but better to be demonized than for something much worse to happen.

01:15:13.000 So I say if it happened again the same way, react the same way.

01:15:18.000 And basically, Alex, thank you very much for your great work.

01:15:23.000 Really appreciate it.

01:15:24.000 Well, you remember what happened to George Wallace, and certainly I didn't agree with his politics, but it was a similar free-for-all in the media, and the media calling him a racist and all this stuff.

01:15:35.000 They're doing the same thing to Rand Paul.

01:15:38.000 The liberals are always saying, oh, your rhetoric may cause violence.

01:15:42.000 What about their rhetoric causing violence?

01:15:45.000 Well, the double standard is really striking because the rhetoric on the other side has been far more extreme.

01:15:54.000 I think that Rand has been extremely considerate of everybody's feelings, and I guess the reverse hasn't been true.

01:16:05.000 Well, you know, that's another issue.

01:16:06.000 And I didn't try to call their campaign yesterday.

01:16:08.000 I figured listeners would get them word.

01:16:10.000 But I am able to get some of their senior people on the phone if I wait around for an hour.

01:16:14.000 They're all very busy.

01:16:15.000 But, I mean, they're smart.

01:16:17.000 They're not stupid.

01:16:18.000 Jesse Benton's not stupid.

01:16:20.000 I know him well.

01:16:21.000 And, you know, this is not dirty politics when they've been playing dirty on them with lies.

01:16:26.000 It's not dirty politics to go out and give a press conference Uh, dealing with Jack Conway blocking and warning his brother about a narcotics investigation, and then the detectives lying about it, and now admitting they lied about it, and Jack Conway's brother lying about it.

01:16:44.000 I mean, this is clearly obstruction.

01:16:45.000 Shouldn't Rand Paul If he does anything, you know, go on Fox or something, and talk about this, he could snap his fingers.

01:16:53.000 He's the only person that the media couldn't ignore, and to put this out four days before an election, and it will sink Jack Conway.

01:17:01.000 Jack Conway has gained a little on-ram with all these dirty tricks, because there's useful idiots out there that'll believe anything.

01:17:08.000 And, you know, I don't, I mean, I understand Ron Paul and Rand Paul are super classy, but, look, It's not, though, classy when you've got Jack Conway obstructing justice.

01:17:21.000 I think they have a responsibility to come out and talk about it.

01:17:23.000 What do you think, Al?

01:17:24.000 Yeah, I agree with you because I think when things are not aggressively responded to, I think that they just sort of lie there and they fester.

01:17:34.000 And that's the problem that we have.

01:17:36.000 They've thrown so much dirt that we really have to worry about the fact that, you know, the high road Uh, is something that I guess the American electorate really doesn't understand.

01:17:49.000 I hope they understand it, but maybe these things have to be aggressively responded to.

01:17:55.000 I agree with you there, Alex.

01:17:57.000 Well, you know, they said High Road back in 19...

01:18:01.000 92, not that George Herbert Walker was any better, but the truth's the truth.

01:18:04.000 And they didn't get into whitewater and cocaine dealing and raping women.

01:18:08.000 That was all known about Bill Clinton then.

01:18:10.000 It should have been brought out then.

01:18:11.000 And Bill Clinton's clearly positioning Jack Conway as a presidential run later.

01:18:16.000 We need to shut down Jack Conway now, not later.

01:18:20.000 I agree with you.

01:18:21.000 I think that if not Rand himself, then his surrogates should come out and expose this story.

01:18:27.000 I think that this is The biggest story of the campaign, what you've uncovered is absolutely fantastic.

01:18:34.000 Well to be clear, I uncovered something hidden in plain view and didn't see it till Tuesday morning on the tarmac at 6.30am and was reading the Courier Journal and other reports that were directly quoted from the police reports and they They interviewed the detectives who admitted they got tipped off, admitted they had meetings with Conway's brother, the Attorney General, admittedly that they covered all this up, and admittedly they told him a SWAT team raid was coming.

01:18:58.000 We have them!

01:18:59.000 It's over!

01:19:00.000 I mean, if they simply expose this, it's over for Jack Conway and Matt Conway, his brother.

01:19:07.000 I mean, his brother already had to resign his prosecutor role because of this.

01:19:12.000 What does that tell you?

01:19:14.000 Well, you were the one who connected the dots.

01:19:16.000 The newspaper, I guess, really doesn't have a vested interest in connecting the dots.

01:19:22.000 But the Paul campaign certainly does.

01:19:25.000 Well, I'm surprised the newspaper even ran with it, because that particular paper has given money to Conway and has been supportive of him.

01:19:33.000 And that's why they didn't put Conway in the headline.

01:19:36.000 They didn't point out that it was Conway's brother until deep in the article.

01:19:39.000 But look, at least they did their job.

01:19:41.000 We talked to the reporter last night.

01:19:43.000 And he doesn't want to come on the show.

01:19:44.000 He says he doesn't do media interviews.

01:19:46.000 He says he lets his article speak for themselves.

01:19:49.000 So we at least appreciate the writer.

01:19:51.000 All right, Al.

01:19:52.000 Thanks for the call.

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01:24:20.000 I want to go back to your phone calls.

01:24:23.000 Let's talk to Barney in Texas.

01:24:26.000 Barney, you're on the air.

01:24:26.000 Thanks for holding.

01:24:28.000 Thanks for taking my call, Alex.

01:24:30.000 I know you've covered Google for many years, but I wanted to bring out A recent article that I didn't hear you mention yet.

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01:25:10.000 So admittedly, for the first time that I've seen, Google is now working with the government to fight terrorism.

01:25:19.000 So that's very alarming given to the access of all the information they have on every American citizen.

01:25:26.000 And so now, if they find something on an American citizen, they have the right now to come out and say, Well, we said we were going to start fighting terrorism and work with the government, so now people, you know, they can openly give their... No, no.

01:25:38.000 Google, admittedly, is working with the Pentagon on software that, quote, predicts the future, and it's pre-crime, and the federal government today just announced they're closing a spying investigation by Google on its users, and a Drudge Report has the headline, you know, free to spy, Google free to spy.

01:25:59.000 And so, you know, Google is clearly an NSA slash CIA front.

01:26:04.000 They now basically admit that.

01:26:06.000 Barney, good points.

01:26:07.000 I appreciate your call.

01:26:08.000 Joe in Texas, you're on the air.

01:26:10.000 Hello, Alex.

01:26:12.000 How are you, bro?

01:26:12.000 Good.

01:26:14.000 Alex, I'm just calling in.

01:26:15.000 I talked to you before.

01:26:16.000 This is Gunsmith up in Texas.

01:26:19.000 And I came across an article that kind of ties in with the Internet where we kind of had a victory over the EPA in trying to Yeah, they're not just going to ban selling lead, they're going to make you turn it in, which is all the stockpiled lead, and so now they have an excuse to confiscate all your ammo, but it's for the environment, Joe.

01:26:45.000 And I know that's been defeated for now.

01:26:47.000 The point is that they're trying to ram this through.

01:26:50.000 And even when Congress said no to the greenhouse gas taxes, notice that the EPA is just going ahead with it.

01:26:56.000 So that's the danger.

01:26:57.000 But go ahead, Joe.

01:26:59.000 Well, it said in this article, it just said they had the recent victory in the National Shooting Sports Foundation against the EPA, where they proposed this ban.

01:27:10.000 And the power, you always talk about, Alex, about the power of the Internet and people.

01:27:16.000 I mean, just thousands of people, they said, got on Facebook and websites, and they beat this proposal.

01:27:25.000 And so, you know, we had a short victory.

01:27:28.000 And that's why, the other reason I'm calling is because if we got this kind of power on the net, like you talk about all the time, Alex, what this stuff they're doing with Rand Paul and things like that through the Internet.

01:27:43.000 And your website, Alex.

01:27:46.000 But my concern is how they're, and I had a question, is my concern is that when they tried to, with the voter fraud, and would your thought be, Alex, with them pushing all this stuff over the mainstream media news of the voter fraud, don't you think, Alex, or do you think that they're trying to dissuade the public and even voting?

01:28:11.000 Yes, and the system is trying to push their whole agenda through as fast as possible because they know people are waking up.

01:28:18.000 So they're just trying to overwhelm us with the Cybersecurity Act and the election fraud and the open borders and the amnesty and the wars and the naked body scanners and the flu shots.

01:28:29.000 That's the system panicking to the awakening, trying to just totally break our will and have us capitulate to them.

01:28:37.000 But it's not going to work because If the economy was doing great, and people still had plenty of money and plenty of baubles, they might go along with this.

01:28:46.000 But the bankers have so greedily destroyed the economy while lying and telling us the recession's over, when even mainstream media is having to admit now it's really a depression.

01:28:55.000 The recession never ended.

01:28:57.000 They're going to have trouble selling this because they've been caught lying so much, and that's their problem.

01:29:03.000 The alternative media has so discredited them That no one buys anything they say anymore, and so the mainstream media still has some power, but it's like a bucket with holes in the bottom.

01:29:14.000 It's rapidly dissipating.

01:29:17.000 They can feel their power going away, the people's power surging and intensifying.

01:29:25.000 Great points, Joe, Steve, John, Ronnie, Bill, and others.

01:29:29.000 Your calls are coming up, but We've got a lawyer coming on from a law firm that's been having real success against the mortgage companies.

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01:36:37.000 He's very busy, obviously, handling hundreds of mortgage cases.

01:36:41.000 But I want to challenge all of you.

01:36:42.000 Of all the mainstream articles I've seen, the best is this Wall Street Journal, Robbie Whalen article, Niche Lawyers Spawned Housing Fracas.

01:36:53.000 And it goes through, what is it, four or five law firms that first started having the big victories.

01:36:58.000 And it goes through some of the basic reasons these mortgage companies are in so much trouble.

01:37:05.000 Things like not having the deeds, or not reviewing the foreclosure documents.

01:37:10.000 These are serious issues, and that's how you hear about homes that are paid for being taken, or two or three or four banks trying to foreclose on the same house, because they were all put in these derivative pools, breaking the chain of custody, breaking the common law private property issue.

01:37:28.000 And they quote here, in deep research in the Wall Street Journal, As the economy frayed, bankruptcy clients appeared.

01:37:35.000 Mr. Ice would help them with Chapter 13 filings that enable individuals with the judge's blessings to get rid of credit card, car payment, and other debt.

01:37:42.000 But the law didn't let judges reduce someone's mortgage.

01:37:45.000 Searching for a way to defend clients facing foreclosure.

01:37:48.000 This is what Randy Kelton's been saying for two years.

01:37:51.000 Mr. Ice began researching English case law and the history of property rights.

01:37:56.000 He ran across Sheldon v. Hintley, a 1680 case that said an indebted merchant owes his debt to the person who lent him the money, not to a debtor-collector who came around bearing a note.

01:38:10.000 And we have that, of course,

01:38:12.000 uh... in our common law here as well so joining us for the next twenty minutes or so uh... is dustin a sacks uh... the ice law firm uh... and uh... tell us about your firm tell us about yourself and the discoveries you've had and all the amazing victories you've been having uh... in these court cases sir well thank you for having me alex uh... first you know i've been with the firm a couple years now uh... since really the height of the crisis uh... it's really surprising every day brings something new that the banks are doing

01:38:40.000 Uh, in trying to get away with in court, you know, ranging from, as you covered, there's affidavits, uh, that have been, uh, clearly perjured.

01:38:48.000 Uh, there have been actual law firms submitting that same kind of documentation.

01:38:53.000 And then there's case after case where, as you say, when they sold these loans, they simply don't have the proof, uh, that the loan was sold and that the party who's suing my client actually owns these loans.

01:39:04.000 And a lot of that has to do with the, uh, securitization process.

01:39:08.000 And correct me if I'm wrong, but if Congress changes the law like they tried to do two weeks ago and Obama signs it, he did pocket veto it, this would really damage private property law here because the way this law was written they're saying, well it doesn't matter if they put it into a pool or if they used Well, the bill dealing with notarization is troubling.

01:39:33.000 Notarization is a requirement for several reasons.

01:39:36.000 say that the banks are allowed to do this, well, this is going to be dangerous.

01:39:40.000 Well, the bill dealing with notarization is troubling.

01:39:43.000 You know, notarization is, you know, it's a requirement for several reasons, one of them being there's supposed to be some kind of seriousness when you sign your name to a document.

01:39:53.000 And in my cases, I'm seeing assignments of mortgages.

01:39:57.000 You know, documents that purport to transfer my client's mortgage.

01:40:01.000 Or, you know, a note.

01:40:02.000 In many of those cases, when you have to notarize them, there have been problems.

01:40:06.000 And we have taken a deposition at someone at a law firm down here who admitted that their notaries were actually going back and notarizing these documents as if they had signed them six months ago.

01:40:19.000 So, to accept blindly a notary from another state You know, as this law would have allowed them to.

01:40:26.000 You know, again, that raises all kinds of problems.

01:40:28.000 Well, this article also deals with the discovery of RoboSigning.

01:40:31.000 Can you break that down for us?

01:40:33.000 Yeah, of course.

01:40:34.000 A lot of times, what we'll see as the only evidence in a case against us, it's going to be an affidavit.

01:40:40.000 That affidavit says many things, but among them, that the plaintiff, whether it's Deutsche Bank, U.S.

01:40:46.000 Bank, or whoever, owns this loan, they're entitled to foreclose, and that my clients owe a certain amount of money.

01:40:53.000 And they also state under oath, mind you, that they've looked at all the books and records, they've looked at all the servicing documents, and they are sure that, you know, everything is correct in the case.

01:41:04.000 And what do you know, when I go ahead and take the deposition of someone, you know, whether it's at One West Bank or at GMAC or at Chase Home Finance, they admit freely and without much pushing that they didn't look at a single document prior to signing these affidavits.

01:41:21.000 In fact, in the Wall Street Journal, they have quotes from the affidavits, and now other law firms go and depose the very same people, get depositions from the same people you've talked to, and they admit it again.

01:41:32.000 Absolutely.

01:41:33.000 It doesn't seem to be a lot of remorse from these folks.

01:41:35.000 I think they just assumed that was their job.

01:41:38.000 And, you know, to give you the scale, the employee at GMAC was signing 10,000 documents a month.

01:41:43.000 We took somebody at OneWest who was signing, similarly, thousands of documents between just a few employees.

01:41:49.000 And the skill is very similar at Chase Home Finance as well.

01:41:52.000 Now to be specific, correct me if I'm wrong, if they go into court and they have a lawyer for the firm or for the bank or even a lawyer that they've just hired separately as a contractor, he gets up and swears and puts in a filing saying we've checked everything, we've done everything, we own this, and then in many cases it turns out they don't even have the deed

01:42:17.000 And you've got multiple banks suing to get the same house because it's all been put into one big pool with derivatives.

01:42:24.000 I mean, isn't that basically lying to the court?

01:42:27.000 Isn't that engaging in fraud?

01:42:29.000 I mean, under law, how do you quantify what they're doing?

01:42:33.000 Well, the scale of it is staggering.

01:42:35.000 You know, you figure take just the one employee at GMAC.

01:42:38.000 Under oath, you're absolutely right.

01:42:40.000 He is stating to the court.

01:42:41.000 I personally looked at these documents and You know, 10,000 documents a month, there's no way it's humanly possible for him to have looked through 10,000 foreclosure cases to verify that everything was correct.

01:42:53.000 So, the best way to equate it is, you know, picture if that had happened at a trial, where I had that gentleman on the stand.

01:42:59.000 I mean, that would be an astounding admission, you know, that he didn't look at anything.

01:43:04.000 So, it is fraud.

01:43:06.000 You know, there are attorney generals all across the nation getting involved now in investigating the robo-signers.

01:43:14.000 And, um, as I say, you know, our job is to bring that in front of the court.

01:43:18.000 The courts have a wide variety of things they can do to punish the bank, but among them is to throw out their entire case.

01:43:27.000 Now studying property law just on the surface, obviously you know a lot more about it than I do, but talking to other lawyers we've had on air, but I've even seen cases with some of my cousins and people who buy a piece of ranch property, but then back 50 years ago somebody didn't execute a title right or there was some fraud involved.

01:43:51.000 No, you're exactly right.

01:43:52.000 you know, three, four owners before, and then someone comes against them in court, brings that up in court, they lose, and it reverts back to the point of the original fraud.

01:44:03.000 And so, I mean, if this is happening, then it looks like the banks, I mean, if the courts serve justice, are going to lose all these houses, then the question is, who really owns them?

01:44:14.000 No, you're exactly right.

01:44:15.000 The ramifications of the fraud and the robo-signing, you know, are huge.

01:44:21.000 All these homes that were foreclosed on, should they have a document in them that a judge relied on, absolutely, that's grounds to reverse the judgment out.

01:44:30.000 So, the bank's looking at all kinds of liability.

01:44:33.000 Number one, from obviously the people who were foreclosed out, the people who lost their home.

01:44:37.000 Next, from title companies.

01:44:40.000 And next, from people who may have bought these foreclosed homes.

01:44:44.000 That was my next issue when I was getting at about the ranch property.

01:44:47.000 Because, I mean, a lot of people are like, I don't care, my house isn't in trouble, I got plenty of money.

01:44:52.000 But wait a minute, what if you bought a house from a bank, or from a company, and it's something that they'd foreclosed on two, three years ago, fraudulently, what's gonna happen to them?

01:45:02.000 Well, that's the problem.

01:45:03.000 I mean, that's why I say the banks have already started to make announcements about how much money they're putting aside.

01:45:09.000 Uh, for potential litigation, uh, you know, arising from these issues, and it's in the billions.

01:45:14.000 Uh, it's clear that, uh, you know, it's kind of having a domino effect.

01:45:18.000 It's happened in all 50 states, and, um, you know, I wouldn't be surprised to see more lawsuits, uh, uh, in addition to the few we've seen come out recently, but, uh, no, absolutely.

01:45:27.000 You buy a foreclosed, uh, home.

01:45:28.000 You're, you're assuming you get good title.

01:45:30.000 You have the title checked out.

01:45:32.000 You know, it's not, uh, your responsibility to check, uh, if somebody was lying to the court in thousands of affidavits.

01:45:39.000 Now, what's this system that they started using the last five years?

01:45:42.000 It's called Mears.

01:45:43.000 Can you tell us about that?

01:45:45.000 Yeah, real quick.

01:45:46.000 The basic idea is, as you were saying earlier about property law, there's a lot of requirements where you have to record transfers of property so that the next person who buys it is on notice.

01:45:56.000 You know, you know who the prior owners were and you can check to see if there were any problems.

01:46:00.000 What Mears did is they saved the lenders a lot of money and it was created by lenders.

01:46:05.000 It was created Uh, in part by Fannie and Freddie and government entities.

01:46:09.000 And what it does is it eliminates the need for you to record a transfer of the mortgage or a deed of trust.

01:46:17.000 So, whereas, uh, you know, before, uh, if you were a U.S.

01:46:21.000 bank and you had loaned someone the money, you owned the mortgage.

01:46:24.000 If you wanted to transfer that, say, to put it in a trust like happened during the height of this, you would actually have to go down to the courthouse, uh, record that assignment with the clerk.

01:46:33.000 So that's very expensive, very tedious.

01:46:36.000 What MERS does is it prevents that need.

01:46:39.000 And basically MERS is a straw man, as we call it, in legal parlance.

01:46:44.000 And then basically, if you look at your mortgage, if it's a MERS loan, MERS is listed as the mortgagee.

01:46:51.000 MERS is the person who owns your mortgage.

01:46:53.000 But it's not properly executed at the courthouse, so in common sense, then it means it's not legitimate?

01:47:01.000 Well, what it means is, it's just not transparent.

01:47:04.000 The whole purpose of making the banks go down to the courthouse and record an assignment is so everybody's on notice, you can see who owns your loan.

01:47:12.000 And in MERS' case, they could have sold your loan 20 times, and you might never know about it because it's still listed as MERS.

01:47:21.000 And so that was developed so they could sell it into the derivatives pool?

01:47:25.000 Well, it's developed to save them money when they did that.

01:47:28.000 And it's saved them, you know, millions and millions up until this point.

01:47:32.000 But then that facilitated the fraud of mortgages being sold over and over again and chopped up in different pieces.

01:47:38.000 Sir, briefly, what are some of the other frauds that you're finding?

01:47:42.000 What are some of the, you know, other things that the banks are doing that you've discovered?

01:47:49.000 Well, a big one is relating to the securitization, selling these loans, you know, into trusts.

01:47:55.000 They seem to be either unable or unwilling to produce documents that would prove that a lot of these loans actually got into the trust.

01:48:03.000 So, you know, we hear a lot about sloppiness in terms of what they're filing with the court now, but it seems like that sloppiness and that failure to file all the necessary paperwork, that was happening during the height of the crisis, during the height of when these loans were being sold ten times.

01:48:21.000 And what I mean by that is to prove that a loan got into a trust.

01:48:24.000 You've got to have all kinds of receipts, all kinds of certifications to verify that this loan is listed as an asset in that trust.

01:48:33.000 And when we ask for that documentation, it's like staring into a black hole.

01:48:38.000 They just don't have the documentation or they don't want to produce it.

01:48:41.000 So that's another potential liability for the bank down the line.

01:48:45.000 Sure.

01:48:48.000 I mean, again, just as a layman, my gut is this is endangering our entire private property system that's worked so well and that made this country such a mecca for investment.

01:48:58.000 I mean, do you agree that this is starting, I mean, just from your research, to really threaten the entire private property system?

01:49:05.000 You know, I do think it goes to that scale.

01:49:07.000 As I said, it's hundreds of thousands of false documents filed in all 50 states.

01:49:12.000 So the scale of that is staggering.

01:49:14.000 The arrogance uh... that the bank had to file these you know it's really as an attorney i think that very seriously and it's kind of insulting they just figured no one would catch them uh...

01:49:25.000 you know when they were lying to the court repeated well why are you according to the wall street journal one of the first law firms ice legal and there's a few other before you going back about four years why are you guys your smaller law firms the first ones to to think to even look at this I mean, where are the big mega law firms out there who have clients that are buying $10 million houses?

01:49:45.000 You'd think they would want to know about this.

01:49:48.000 That's true.

01:49:49.000 I mean, the problem has been naturally that most of these cases are not defended.

01:49:52.000 And that's what, you know, let the banks get away with this for so long.

01:49:56.000 The vast majority of homeowners who are in distress because of the economy, you know, just don't have the means to hire an attorney.

01:50:03.000 Uh, so what we did is we went out on a limb, you know, actually funded our own, uh, deposition, you know, in most of your big-time litigation at big firms.

01:50:11.000 A lot of times the clients will foot the bill for all the discovery, uh, to find out things like fraud.

01:50:17.000 In our case, you know, we kept seeing the same names over and over and over, uh, and we said, boy, wouldn't it be curious to see, uh, if this gentleman who's signing so many of the documents in just our few hundred cases, if he's actually, uh, doing it due diligence.

01:50:32.000 Can you stay with us for five more minutes on the other side?

01:50:34.000 Sure thing.

01:50:35.000 OK, I want to come back and ask you where you think all this is going, the successes you've been having now being imitated and duplicated by others, and any other key points you think are important for people to learn about.

01:50:46.000 And I'd plug ICE Legal's website, but I've got a sneaking suspicion you guys have got more business than you can handle.

01:50:53.000 But we'll ask you about that on the other side.

01:50:55.000 But you're certainly helping people.

01:50:56.000 We appreciate ICE Legal.

01:50:57.000 We'll be right back.

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01:54:05.000 Because there's a war on for your mind.

01:54:09.000 Well, you get four or five little law firms, they start fighting the big megabanks that are winning, because the big megabanks are completely arrogant.

01:54:18.000 And it shows how when you let big megacorporations run wild, you end up Destroying your nation.

01:54:25.000 Turning it into a third world country.

01:54:27.000 Because a business and the average person can't be protected, your nation disintegrates.

01:54:32.000 And Dustin A. Zaks with ICE Legal, one of the firms that's been winning in court and blocking these people and really exposing the fraud.

01:54:41.000 I mean, the Wall Street Journal talks about a lot of your successes, but briefly recap some of those for folks.

01:54:48.000 Well, sure.

01:54:50.000 We brought to light a lot of the practices that are now being investigated by Attorneys General all over the U.S.

01:54:57.000 It's exciting to see, and other attorneys are picking up on it, bringing other practices to light that we didn't even know about.

01:55:07.000 Crazy times, but again, as an attorney, I never thought people would be submitting Well, I mean, look at Goldman Sachs and JP Morgan getting a lot of the bailout money, and their representatives won't tell Congress where the money went.

01:55:21.000 I mean, these people are bandits.

01:55:24.000 Well, it seems like, you know, the troubling aspect for me is how this hurts people who aren't even in trouble with their homes.

01:55:30.000 You know, a lot of people think the banks screwed it up the first time around.

01:55:34.000 You know, not doing their due diligence, that kind of thing.

01:55:37.000 This is on the default side of it, you know, this is on the litigation side of it, and it seems like they're screwing it up again.

01:55:44.000 So to the extent that this prevents housing recovery or has effects for people who are not in foreclosure, you know, that's twice that seems like they haven't done a whole lot of good for us.

01:55:55.000 Well, I'd like to get you or Mr. Ice on in the next few weeks to talk about, I mean, I know you can't diagnose cases over the telephone or over the radio, but what the average person can do when they're facing one of these mortgages.

01:56:10.000 How do they detect or analyze and find out if there is fraud in their mortgage?

01:56:15.000 I would guess that Ice Legal is overwhelmed right now?

01:56:18.000 Yeah, pretty busy.

01:56:20.000 Even busy, yep.

01:56:22.000 Are you guys taking on more clients?

01:56:23.000 We sure are.

01:56:24.000 Yeah, we're mainly in Florida, you know, so happy to speak to anyone facing foreclosure or related issues down in Florida.

01:56:30.000 Give us the website for ICE Legal.

01:56:32.000 Sure thing.

01:56:33.000 www.icelegal.com.

01:56:36.000 I-C-E-Legal.com.

01:56:37.000 Yeah, well I just want to help people and I'm going to get as many law firms and other groups on that are having success as I can because 100,000 foreclosures a month, I mean, my goodness.

01:56:47.000 Yeah, the scale of it again, it's staggering.

01:56:49.000 The best thing folks can do is get educated, speak to an attorney, whether it's us or anybody.

01:56:54.000 You know, go ahead and...

01:56:56.000 Have someone look at your documents to see if some of these robo-signers were signing things, or just to see if there's fishy things going on.

01:57:03.000 Yeah, but your firm's actually helping people.

01:57:05.000 I've been studying this for years, looking at it, people calling me about it, listeners wanting me to investigate, and a lot of law firms either don't have your expertise or are lazy, and they just take your money, and then they end up taking the people's houses.

01:57:17.000 But the law firms listed here in the Wall Street Journal, they've been keeping people in their houses for four years, I mean, and having victories.

01:57:24.000 Well, that's the key.

01:57:25.000 You're going to want somebody who has actually, you know, litigation experience.

01:57:29.000 A lot of, I would say, maybe real estate closing attorneys or something like that aren't actual litigators who do motions and take depositions and go to full trials every day.

01:57:40.000 And they're playing golf with the local brokerage firm, the local title company, the local banker.

01:57:46.000 Yeah, well, you know, it's the small legal world.

01:57:50.000 We've got one minute left.

01:57:51.000 Where do you see this ending, just in your gut?

01:57:55.000 Um, you know, it's very tough to say, but I would say with the State Attorney General investigating, it's hard to see how some criminal charges are not going to result down the line.

01:58:05.000 Whether that's, you know, in a few months or years, it's hard to imagine there's not going to be any criminal repercussions for this kind of thing.

01:58:13.000 Well, Mr. Zacks, again, I would like to get you or Mr. Ice back on for a full hour.

01:58:17.000 I know you're busy, but this is a large show, reach a lot of people, to give people some basic ideas of what to look for, what type of lawyers to look for as they fight this.

01:58:26.000 But it's good to see lawyers doing some good work for the community, and Godspeed to all your work.

01:58:32.000 Well, thanks for having me.

01:58:33.000 You bet.

01:58:33.000 Appreciate it.

01:58:34.000 We'll be right back with the third hour.

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02:00:15.000 And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.

02:00:20.000 Well, you just heard a lawyer from one of the top law firms beating the daylights out of the corrupt banks on the mortgages.

02:00:26.000 This affects the entire economy.

02:00:28.000 This affects foreclosed houses you bought, or a house that another company foreclosed on and then sold you.

02:00:36.000 So we're going to be discussing what this means to the entire economy coming up with Randy Kelton after the next segment.

02:00:42.000 I want to get into other economic news in the next segment and I need to clear the phone lines out.

02:00:46.000 We're going to try to take a few of the guys that are holding right now because I want to then open the phones up just on mortgage fraud to take your questions.

02:00:52.000 But you just heard a law firm winning in court over and over again basically repeat everything Randy Kelton said and expand on it and say yeah we love the other people that are investigating this because they're finding even more fraud.

02:01:04.000 I mean, we're going to go deep into this with Randy Kelton coming up.

02:01:08.000 Part 3 of the interview we started a few weeks ago.

02:01:11.000 But I wanted you to hear from actual lawyers saying the same thing.

02:01:14.000 But Randy goes even further in his research and he's actually advising a lot of lawyers right now because they just don't know how to research it.

02:01:21.000 But let's go to Steve in Texas.

02:01:23.000 Steve, you're on the air.

02:01:24.000 Go ahead.

02:01:25.000 Yes, thank you.

02:01:26.000 That was very chilling.

02:01:29.000 I bought my property five years ago.

02:01:32.000 And I've paid for it.

02:01:33.000 And it's out in the country, in a rural area.

02:01:36.000 People are having homes taken that are completely paid for because, you know, 11 years ago when this new fraud began, they foreclosed on somebody improperly.

02:01:46.000 So you may not have clear titles.

02:01:47.000 Somebody may come take it.

02:01:49.000 You better investigate.

02:01:50.000 I paid quite a bit for a title search before I even got the property.

02:01:55.000 And isn't that the liability of the title company?

02:01:59.000 Yes, yes, yes.

02:02:00.000 But the banks don't care.

02:02:02.000 They just bypassed the title company and still try to take it.

02:02:04.000 But now because you know this information, you'll be able to block them.

02:02:08.000 But for the general public that doesn't, see, this isn't just about people who are being foreclosed on blocking it.

02:02:14.000 This is about people that have been defrauded by the banks blocking their foreclosure.

02:02:18.000 I mean, I already have all my receipts of everything I paid the mortgage company.

02:02:23.000 And, you know, I mean, it's supposedly in my mind clear.

02:02:27.000 Well, it's like Russian roulette.

02:02:28.000 I mean, go back to the person before you.

02:02:31.000 Or, I mean, were they, was it a foreclosure down the road somewhere?

02:02:36.000 Well, I wasn't aware of it.

02:02:37.000 They didn't inform me of that, but I thought that was part of the, uh, job of the Titus Company.

02:02:42.000 But see, that's the fraud.

02:02:43.000 That's the fraud with these digital systems that aren't in the courthouse, is it allows that to all be muddied.

02:02:52.000 Oh God.

02:02:53.000 I've got to say this, Alex.

02:02:55.000 I've been with you for about a year.

02:02:58.000 I've got theinfowars.com and prisonplan.tv and prisonplan.com and everything.

02:03:04.000 And man, it's a college education.

02:03:06.000 And it's like now at least 50% of my time, but I've got to tell you, I'm a study of American history.

02:03:12.000 You are the number one American hero in my book.

02:03:15.000 I just want you to know that's what I mean.

02:03:16.000 And I pray for you every day, and I thank you.

02:03:19.000 Well, Steve, God bless you.

02:03:20.000 God bless you.

02:03:21.000 Look, I wouldn't be here if it wasn't for my grandmother's prayers, 85 years old, if it wasn't for all the people that pray for us.

02:03:28.000 There is no doubt I got guardian angels, and I'm not the number one hero.

02:03:33.000 Number one heroes are firefighters that run into burning buildings and save children, and the chimney collapses on them and kills them.

02:03:40.000 Number one heroes, even though they're misguided, are troops that charge machine gun nests.

02:03:47.000 The number one heroes out there are police officers that go up against drug thugs.

02:03:52.000 The number one heroes are people like Joe Bannister who exposes the fraudulent IRS and they indicted him and he beat him in court.

02:04:02.000 I am somebody who recognized tyranny 17 years ago, spent two years trying to get on air, got on air on AXS TV, got on radio, got syndicated, did everything I do to expose the corruption.

02:04:16.000 I live, eat, drink, sleep this information.

02:04:21.000 Uh, and it doesn't mean we're always right.

02:04:23.000 Doesn't mean we have all the answers.

02:04:24.000 We're just trying to learn.

02:04:26.000 Trying to do good.

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02:04:30.000 And that's a big difference from people that just don't care.

02:04:33.000 That's who I don't like.

02:04:34.000 I...

02:04:36.000 I don't like evil people, but at least they're evil and know what side they're on.

02:04:40.000 Who I really don't like are smiley-faced, giggling yuppies that think this is all cute and funny.

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02:08:04.000 Okay, we are back live.

02:08:15.000 Thank you for joining us.

02:08:19.000 I want to cover economic news to get to John, Bill, and Chris, and a few others before our next guest is going to be in studio.

02:08:25.000 And we've got, for PrisonPlanet.TV viewers, some graphs we're going to be showing here on television.

02:08:31.000 And this will be archived at PrisonPlanet.TV, and from there pumped out for wins.

02:08:37.000 But we're going to go through a lot dealing with this mortgage fraud.

02:08:40.000 But this was only the beginning of the fraud to the international derivatives bubble.

02:08:45.000 And this affects everyone.

02:08:46.000 This affects most people's mortgages.

02:08:49.000 Even if you bought your house, you know, 5, 10, 11 years ago when they changed the Glass-Steagall Act.

02:08:54.000 This doesn't mean just if you're upside down or they're trying to foreclose on you that you're the only ones being targeted.

02:08:59.000 This is anybody that owns a house.

02:09:02.000 Because the title companies and these computerized systems are completely filled with fraud.

02:09:07.000 And that's how banks every day I read about trying to take houses that are paid for that they don't even have a note for because they bought derivatives that say they have your house.

02:09:17.000 Okay, so I mean this is just amazing and you heard that lawyer earlier saying they've just found the tip of the iceberg of the fraud and that's already stopping most of the foreclosures.

02:09:26.000 I wanted to get into some other news.

02:09:27.000 This is out of Bloomberg.

02:09:29.000 JPMorgan HSBC accused of manipulating silver futures.

02:09:33.000 They've been accused of investor lawsuit of placing spoof trade orders to manipulate silver futures and opinions prices in violation of U.S.

02:09:41.000 antitrust law.

02:09:42.000 That's been coming out for a long time.

02:09:44.000 We had the Gold Antitrust Group gather on a few months ago first telling you about that.

02:09:48.000 Also in Reuters, French protests again on pensions, but fatigue waves.

02:09:53.000 That's what the IMF wrote about in 2002.

02:09:55.000 In Argentina, they said they'd found that people may riot for six months.

02:10:00.000 They like that.

02:10:00.000 That drives down confidence even more.

02:10:02.000 Then they finally burn out, the economy's imploded, then they come in and consolidate.

02:10:07.000 The French need to start calling for prosecutions of the bankers that have looted them, not running around throwing fits, demanding their taxes not be raised.

02:10:16.000 They need to get rid of the bankers and get rid of that system.

02:10:20.000 Here's another one.

02:10:21.000 American job loss is permanent.

02:10:22.000 Dr. Paul Craig Roberts breaks down that they've shipped our jobs out by design.

02:10:28.000 Employers in the U.S.

02:10:29.000 start bracing for higher tax withholding.

02:10:31.000 Oh yeah, and all the new insurance money you gotta pay for your employees, and all the new taxes.

02:10:39.000 I mean, I don't even know if I can, coming up the next year, if all this Obama tax stuff goes in and all this new Obamacare goes in, I'm having to look at my great crew, every one of them is important, and decide, how do I raise the money to keep them here to pay for all this, or do I let people go?

02:10:53.000 I mean, this is happening all across the economy.

02:10:55.000 California's set to pass a 20% carbon tax this week.

02:10:59.000 They're trying to repeal it.

02:11:00.000 It kicks in next year.

02:11:02.000 They're trying to repeal it next Tuesday.

02:11:04.000 I'm looking at the poll numbers.

02:11:05.000 It's 50-50.

02:11:06.000 It's neck and neck.

02:11:08.000 Can you imagine what's going to happen to California if there's a 20% tax slapped on all the businesses that produce carbon?

02:11:15.000 The factories?

02:11:16.000 Huh!

02:11:17.000 I mean, you think 22% unemployment, that's admitted in California?

02:11:23.000 60 Minutes reports?

02:11:24.000 You think 22% unemployment?

02:11:25.000 You ain't seen nothing yet.

02:11:27.000 They want to destroy the economy.

02:11:30.000 And they use the cheap labor from Mexico to do it as well.

02:11:34.000 So employers start bracing for higher tax withholding.

02:11:38.000 Employers in the U.S.

02:11:39.000 are starting to warn their workers to prepare for slimmer paychecks if Congress fails to vote on an extension of the Bush-era tax cuts.

02:11:45.000 You know, that's the thing.

02:11:47.000 The establishment has trained everybody that if you've got a neighbor making $200,000 a year, they're rich.

02:11:53.000 Or even a million dollars a year if they're rich.

02:11:55.000 No.

02:11:56.000 True wealthy people make billions a year.

02:11:59.000 And they're the ones lobbying for higher taxes to then pay the money into government for banker bailouts and defense contractor money.

02:12:06.000 They're all offshore.

02:12:08.000 What was the ABC News headline last Thursday?

02:12:12.000 Google pays, in fact guys search the term, Google pays 2.5% tax.

02:12:16.000 Okay?

02:12:21.000 Okay, I pay on average about 40%.

02:12:23.000 They claim it's 35% tax bracket baloney.

02:12:25.000 Okay?

02:12:28.000 Now it's going up even more.

02:12:29.000 Then there's all the other taxes, and the FICA, and the rest of it, and the unemployment insurance, and all the new taxes Texas has passed.

02:12:37.000 Now, Google, the biggest company in the world, I'm sorry I was wrong, it's 2.4, I said 2.5, I'm sorry.

02:12:43.000 I said 2.5, I'm sorry.

02:12:45.000 Google has a 2.4% rate.

02:12:49.000 They pay 2.4% tax rate.

02:12:55.000 You gotta love that.

02:12:56.000 Can you imagine what Infowars.com and PrisonPlanet.com and my operation could do if we were paying 2.4% federal income tax?

02:13:07.000 Can you imagine?

02:13:08.000 See, this is all engineered to shut down the little guy.

02:13:12.000 Let me explain something to people that work at a restaurant.

02:13:14.000 You know, waiting tables, making $35,000 a year.

02:13:16.000 Or somebody mowing lawns, making $35,000, $40,000 a year.

02:13:18.000 year or somebody mowing lawns making $35,000, $40,000 a year.

02:13:22.000 Oh, yeah, they make that.

02:13:23.000 Not only is all this devaluation of currency going to kill any savings or what you can buy, your purchasing power, but what do you think happens when somebody making $125,000 a year, that's what the tax increases kick in for.

02:13:38.000 If you actually read the legislation, what do you think happens when somebody has to pay more money?

02:13:43.000 They have to cut pay, they have to lay people off, they've got the health care taxes coming in on top of it, they've got a real estate tax on the health care bill of 5% on any real estate, a house you own or rent.

02:13:54.000 What's that going to do?

02:13:56.000 See, it's the people making $125,000 a year that pay for babysitters, that go to restaurants, that go to the mall and buy clothes, that go to the car dealership and buy cars.

02:14:07.000 They're the people that go to your salon and get their hair done.

02:14:11.000 They're the people that go to your gym and get a membership.

02:14:13.000 They're the people that produce almost all the service jobs left in this country.

02:14:20.000 And guess what?

02:14:22.000 You can look at the graphs.

02:14:23.000 As Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former head of policy at the Treasury, wrote today, the middle class is shrinking dramatically.

02:14:31.000 It's about half of what it was 30 years ago.

02:14:34.000 So, there goes your economy.

02:14:37.000 And the system knows this.

02:14:39.000 They cut taxes on the middle class, the economy races.

02:14:42.000 But they don't want that.

02:14:43.000 They want to shut it down.

02:14:46.000 I know I'm ranting here.

02:14:48.000 It's just horrible.

02:14:53.000 It's absolutely horrible.

02:14:56.000 And the internet accounts for 7.2% of British economy, study finds, French news agency, but they're coming out with internet taxes in England.

02:15:04.000 We can't build infrastructure anymore.

02:15:07.000 New Jersey's canceling all this infrastructure because almost all the money has to go for service on the debt.

02:15:12.000 Everybody always talks about welfare moms and how they're bankrupting us and how illegal aliens are bankrupting us and that's certainly part of it.

02:15:18.000 But that's the dependent group that votes to bring in big government so the bankers get two-thirds of the money in debt service.

02:15:25.000 And who owns the debt?

02:15:26.000 The Chinese government, and then the private Federal Reserve.

02:15:29.000 They're the two biggest owners.

02:15:30.000 Chinese number one, Federal Reserve number two.

02:15:33.000 It's all a stinking fraud.

02:15:38.000 I want to bring Ted Anderson up.

02:15:39.000 Gold, they tried to hammer it down.

02:15:41.000 We've got it right here in Bloomberg with the manipulation of silver, manipulation of gold, that they can't hold it down.

02:15:47.000 Gold's up four times what it was ten years ago.

02:15:50.000 But Ted, when it went down $25, he bought a bunch.

02:15:54.000 Now it's gone up 15 bucks?

02:15:55.000 He can sell it to you at that discounted amount.

02:15:58.000 Ted, this is incredible economic news coming out.

02:16:00.000 It sure is.

02:16:02.000 You know, like when you and I were sitting out there at KCSO, the G20 was beating up on the U.S.

02:16:06.000 dollar and it was dropping and gold was racing upward and we have that going on.

02:16:10.000 Again today, but now they're awaiting this announcement by the Fed next week They're expecting the Fed to take newly printed money and to buy 80 to 100 billion dollars worth of assets And that's going to drive them.

02:16:23.000 We already seen it the dollar is just crumbling right now.

02:16:27.000 Gold is up $18.60 Right now, presently, seeing a high today of $13.4690 already.

02:16:34.000 Silver just broke again, $24 an ounce.

02:16:38.000 I mean, the whole thing is starting to move backward, you know, back up to where it was.

02:16:41.000 It's almost like, you know, there's just these one or two, maybe three days where gold and silver will make a correction, and then it just comes racing back up.

02:16:49.000 I like your analogy with trying to hold a beach ball underwater, because that's exactly how this is acting.

02:16:55.000 You'll see it correct a little bit, and then, vroom, it comes right And just like the frauds coming out of the mortgages, the fraud of them suppressing gold and silver, which should both be double what it is now for 1980 inflation, as that fraud comes out, they're not going to be able to engage in it.

02:17:10.000 Yeah, right about that.

02:17:11.000 And so that creates the opportunities that we have in the gold and silver because of the fact that the exposure of this elite group that has been trying to suppress the prices of gold and silver for years, you know, first of all, you can't Beat the United States dollar down without having its equal commodity go up.

02:17:31.000 You know, the gold and silver, you can't print gold and silver like you can print U.S.

02:17:36.000 dollars.

02:17:37.000 And so they're having to accelerate the printing press, and that's driving the prices of gold and silver up, and they can't control, they can no longer hold on to the price of gold and keep it low like they did back in the middle 1980s.

02:17:50.000 Well, to simplify, The Chinese aren't buying as much of it, so the Federal Reserve is moving towards being the biggest owner of U.S.

02:17:58.000 T-bills and other instruments, which positions the bankers with even more power, so they're buying our debt, but they're using our money to buy it for themselves, and then we're supposed to pay this back with tax money, and it devalues our money, so they're taxing us two different ways.

02:18:16.000 Ted, we've got a minute and a half left before I come back with Randy Kelton and the mortgage fraud, and more phone calls.

02:18:21.000 Breakdown today's gold and silver specials for folks.

02:18:23.000 Yeah, sure.

02:18:24.000 Frank's with the forecaster.

02:18:25.000 Currently right now we're at $293.

02:18:27.000 British Sovereigns are at $367 apiece.

02:18:31.000 The new 5th edition Creature from Jekyll Island book just came out.

02:18:35.000 The prices are high.

02:18:38.000 I just lost Ted Anderson.

02:18:42.000 Guys, you got any word on that?

02:18:43.000 Yeah, what happened?

02:18:45.000 Can you hear me okay?

02:18:46.000 Yeah, you cut out for a minute.

02:18:47.000 Okay, so tell us about the Creature from Jekyll Island.

02:18:49.000 Yeah, the Creature from Jekyll Island did go up in price, and I'm going to have to raise my prices accordingly, but right now I have the new edition, the fifth edition at $26.45 with the silver dollar.

02:18:59.000 Hey, look, when you're paying $26.45 in spot silver, it's $24, and I'm giving you a free silver dollar to go with it.

02:19:06.000 Anybody, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that that coin is a You know, the coin is worth more than the deal itself.

02:19:14.000 Let me fire out the number.

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02:19:18.000 They've got a lot of other coins, but you've got to tell folks, it's the Alex Jones Radio Special to get these lost liter prices, or it'll be a little bit more, which is still a great deal.

02:19:27.000 800-686-2237.

02:19:27.000 Where are you on the silver half dollars?

02:19:32.000 The Silver Half Dollars, I'm still holding that price down at $11.77, but it's over $1,300 on the internet.

02:19:39.000 So yeah, if you want to take advantage of something, get into those Walking Liberties.

02:19:42.000 Amazing deal.

02:19:43.000 I think the Walking Liberties are the bigger special there.

02:19:46.000 800-686-2237.

02:19:48.000 Call and get the Sovereign Gold pieces, the Frank Gold pieces, the Silver Half Dollar Walking Liberties.

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02:24:19.000 We had Dustin a Zaxon from ice legal.

02:24:23.000 Who's in the wall street journal beating the banks.

02:24:26.000 And they've got, what, four other law firms here that discovered the Robo signing and have been deposing these people.

02:24:30.000 And as he said, the fraud goes a lot deeper than just what they've discovered.

02:24:34.000 It's exactly what pro se litigant Randy Kelton's been saying for several years now with his information.

02:24:42.000 Uh, that they go and they lie, and they say, we've got clear title to this, and they don't.

02:24:46.000 But this affects people who bought houses, even if two, three sales before, it was ever in foreclosure.

02:24:53.000 So this affects basically everybody.

02:24:55.000 And they now want to bail this out.

02:24:57.000 They're talking about five trillion, ten trillion, or more.

02:25:01.000 And they're going to try to do that in the lame duck Congress coming up, or after that Next year, they have suspended the big five banks, including Bank of America, two weeks ago, all foreclosures, just because lawyers and pro se litigants have just begun to fight.

02:25:15.000 Now, Randy, we're going to have you here for the rest of this hour and into the fourth hour in overdrive on our AM and FM affiliates and PrisonPlanet.tv and the streams at InfoWars.com.

02:25:26.000 I can't do this all the time, but the next few minutes, we are posting at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, a free video box.

02:25:33.000 So people can see this, just like when I had Governor Ventura on yesterday, we were playing video clips.

02:25:38.000 It's so important for radio listeners to also be able to see this as we go through all these big color graphs with documentation that you've put together that we're going to be showing on the document cam today.

02:25:50.000 Actually, I may move it out here so my shadow's not on it.

02:25:53.000 Maybe tilt the camera that way so we can not have my shadow on it.

02:25:59.000 We're going to be showing that to the viewers.

02:26:01.000 But what did you think of Ice Legal, who's been deposing the banks, beating their socks off, saying clearly the same things that you've basically been talking about?

02:26:10.000 I think it took an incredible amount of courage for a law firm to take on these big banks and ask judges to render rulings that were new to the judges.

02:26:22.000 Judges hate to do that.

02:26:24.000 No judge wants to be the one to change the law, because he doesn't want to be the one to have his case thrown out.

02:26:29.000 But the banks weren't following the law.

02:26:31.000 But to get a judge to make a ruling that's different from what he's been doing is really tough, and it took a lot of courage for these attorneys to do that, because an attorney can get in a lot of trouble asking a judge to render a ruling he doesn't want to rule on, so I have to give them credit.

02:26:48.000 But the political climate is changing dramatically.

02:26:53.000 It's what we expected back in March when the legislature allotted $200 million to the feds to start going after these guys just before the election.

02:27:02.000 They dropped a sky on them, and that's exactly what they've done.

02:27:05.000 Well, the law firms in this Wall Street Journal article, they were actually having victories five years ago, and they first discovered robo-signing four years ago, but it didn't get any news attention.

02:27:14.000 Right.

02:27:15.000 But now people are taking what these law firms have done successfully and duplicating it, and as Mr. Zaks said, they are finding even more types of fraud.

02:27:24.000 Just like you said.

02:27:25.000 We have a recent case in California, one in Nevada, Arizona, and Tennessee.

02:27:25.000 Right.

02:27:31.000 It started in Tennessee.

02:27:32.000 There was a new one this week.

02:27:34.000 This one was a Quitam action.

02:27:37.000 Quitam is a suit to recover funds that were defrauded from the government.

02:27:42.000 You file a quitam, if you win, you get to keep 25% of what you recover.

02:27:48.000 Unless the government steps in and takes over, in which case you only get to keep 10.

02:27:52.000 What the guy claimed was, is all of these sales of the security instrument had not been filed with the clerk of the court.

02:27:59.000 He sued in Tennessee and named every court clerk in the state of Tennessee as a plaintiff.

02:28:07.000 Claimed $34 million in fees not rendered to those clerks.

02:28:13.000 Guy in Arizona, Nevada, and now in California picked it up.

02:28:18.000 Guy in California also claimed the $5,000 to $10,000 fines for not filing.

02:28:24.000 So, this is really bringing them serious problems.

02:28:28.000 Now, do they have standing?

02:28:29.000 I mean, were they the ones being foreclosed on?

02:28:31.000 No, under a QUITAM action, it's the Whistleblower Act.

02:28:35.000 It's like a bounty against corruption.

02:28:37.000 If you can find any government agency or official that's misappropriating public funds, you can sue under a QUITAM action to recover those funds.

02:28:37.000 Exactly.

02:28:46.000 And they use a kind of twisted QUITAM then, correct me if I'm wrong, when they give, you know, the police a percentage of drug money seized, or citizens get part of stuff from a criminal action, but that's against citizens.

02:28:57.000 That's absolutely twisted.

02:29:00.000 That has been a good portion of what's turned this country into a police state.

02:29:06.000 But that's for a different show.

02:29:08.000 We are definitely in a police state, and it's getting worse, but we have opportunity here.

02:29:12.000 Well, I want to get back into all this, but you were involved in a case here in Austin, and we sent some cameras down this weekend dealing with a high-powered Republican, Tom DeLay.

02:29:23.000 And I want to hear about that due process issue, because that's how you first got into studying the law.

02:29:28.000 Then we'll get into the mortgages, Randy.

02:29:30.000 I'll go through this quickly.

02:29:32.000 We're going to break.

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02:29:34.000 So we'll get into Tom DeLay and what's happening there.

02:29:37.000 Not that Tom DeLay's a good guy, but he's having his due process rights violated.

02:29:41.000 And if they can violate his, they can violate ours.

02:29:43.000 We'll talk about Randy involved with that case straight ahead.

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02:35:42.000 Okay, going back to Randy Kelton.

02:35:46.000 I didn't mean to digress, but it's important.

02:35:49.000 You called the office a few days ago and said this is pretty important.

02:35:51.000 I've heard you talk about the whole situation with Tom DeLay, and I'm certainly no fan of some of the neo-connery he was involved in.

02:36:01.000 But it shows the power of state prosecutors, grand juries, that they were really going after corruption.

02:36:07.000 But they didn't do that.

02:36:08.000 And you've studied the case.

02:36:09.000 They didn't follow due process.

02:36:11.000 You've looked at the charges.

02:36:13.000 But he was removed from his leadership position.

02:36:16.000 And you were down there at the courthouse covering this just two days ago in Austin.

02:36:20.000 So briefly, tell folks about that.

02:36:22.000 OK.

02:36:22.000 Tom DeLay was taken out of office by Ron Earl.

02:36:25.000 District Attorney of Travis County, Texas.

02:36:28.000 A local district attorney took out the Speaker of the House.

02:36:33.000 And the way he did it is he went to a grand jury with an indictment and asked the grand jury to approve the indictment.

02:36:42.000 That is absolutely forbidden.

02:36:44.000 Kennedy v. State says, in order to avoid the obvious evils of the accumulation of power in any one office, for the purpose of filing a criminal complaint, a prosecutor is not a credible person.

02:36:58.000 We fought a revolution to keep the government from being the accuser and the prosecutor.

02:37:03.000 You've got three different branches of government, and you can't have prosecutors, as happened in the lead up to the war in 1776, becoming demigods, prosecuting their political enemies, you name it.

02:37:14.000 And that is exactly what happened here.

02:37:17.000 Ron Earl's problem is, is he tried too hard, and he created the avenue for his own downfall.

02:37:24.000 Or the downfall of what he created.

02:37:26.000 He went to the grand jury and asked them to approve an indictment.

02:37:31.000 27-004 government code says that, I'm sorry, 27-004, the Texas Code of Criminal Procedure, duties of the grand jurors.

02:37:40.000 The grand jury shall examine into all criminal accusations that come to their knowledge by way of the prosecutor's attorney or any credible person.

02:37:48.000 Problem.

02:37:49.000 A criminal accusation is a criminal complaint.

02:37:54.000 So he made the original complaint.

02:37:56.000 Complaints are made by someone else, then the prosecutor looks at it.

02:38:00.000 The prosecutor can't be the complainant and the deliverer.

02:38:03.000 Exactly.

02:38:04.000 He's forbidden.

02:38:05.000 The only thing that gives the grand jury jurisdiction is a criminal affidavit filed by some credible person.

02:38:12.000 And that's the habeas corpus?

02:38:14.000 Oh, this is a straight criminal complaint, just like a ticket.

02:38:18.000 No, no, but if they can't show that, I mean, where's the original complaint?

02:38:21.000 Exactly.

02:38:21.000 This is what I said to Tom.

02:38:23.000 I put the writ in his hand.

02:38:25.000 I filed it two years ago in the court.

02:38:27.000 The judge refused to hear it and threw it out.

02:38:30.000 Tom DeLay's attorney, Dick DeGaran, called me and said, did you file a written habeas corpus in this case?

02:38:36.000 Yes, I did.

02:38:37.000 I know Dick DeGaran.

02:38:38.000 I've interviewed him.

02:38:39.000 He said, well, I'm the attorney of record and I didn't authorize you to file that.

02:38:43.000 Well, I didn't need your authorization.

02:38:45.000 I have a right to do it.

02:38:46.000 Besides, you should have done it.

02:38:47.000 What were you doing when they were trouncing all over all his rights?

02:38:51.000 He hung up on me.

02:38:52.000 Really?

02:38:53.000 He, I felt like I stepped in his milk, but this was a special study that I had done because everybody's getting railroaded through the system.

02:39:04.000 I mentioned a police state earlier.

02:39:06.000 Would you recognize a police state if you were in one?

02:39:08.000 But see, that's the power of a pro se litigant.

02:39:11.000 As you said, once your lawyer's in that bar, they're not supposed to communicate with somebody else's client.

02:39:16.000 But you're a private citizen.

02:39:17.000 I'm a private citizen.

02:39:18.000 That's my right.

02:39:20.000 And the problem Ron Earl has in creating this prosecution against Tom DeLay illegally is after that, when I filed a writ of habeas corpus for a kid in Montgomery County, With the Court of Criminal Appeals, and they denied me permission to file.

02:39:38.000 Well, they didn't have authority to grant or deny permission.

02:39:40.000 It's a writ of right.

02:39:42.000 I filed criminal charges with a grand jury.

02:39:44.000 Well, Ron Earl, in his standard chicanery, in an effort to get rid of all of these judges, as they were all Republicans, and he's a Democrat, and he wasn't running again, he actually gave my complaints against these judges to the grand jury.

02:40:01.000 All of the judges, the 15 judges of the Court of Criminal Appeals, I almost got them about two years ago.

02:40:08.000 But he opened the door.

02:40:10.000 Well, briefly, before we get back into the mortgages, what's the process right now with this individual?

02:40:18.000 Well, I filed a writ and the judge told me I stood up in court and stopped the court telling them that I have business with this court and it supersedes any business currently before the court.

02:40:29.000 And Judge Dietz District Judge Dietz said, oh, you're the guy with the writ of habeas corpus.

02:40:35.000 I'm not going to waste all these good people's time with that nonsense.

02:40:38.000 You are not to say another word.

02:40:39.000 Get out of my courtroom.

02:40:41.000 I looked around for the bailiff and I couldn't find him.

02:40:44.000 I had made the mistake earlier of telling him that if this judge refused to hear the writ, I was going to ask the bailiff to arrest the judge.

02:40:51.000 Well, the bailiff chickened out and hit the road.

02:40:54.000 So, I left the courtroom, and now I will be filing against Judge Dietz with the grand jury, and we'll see if he's as arrogant when I get him in front of a grand jury as he was in that courtroom.

02:41:06.000 But specifically, where is Tom DeLay in the process right now?

02:41:11.000 I put this writ in Tom DeLay's hand.

02:41:13.000 Now he knows.

02:41:15.000 That this local prosecuting attorney took him out of office absolutely illegally.

02:41:22.000 I suspect Tom DeLay is really unhappy right now.

02:41:26.000 Now, I'll say this on the air, I have no compassion or love for Tom DeLay.

02:41:31.000 He's a politician.

02:41:34.000 The purpose was His due process rights were being violated like everyone else's.

02:41:39.000 If he realizes how dangerous this corrupt situation is, the problem all these corrupt politicians have is they can't protect themselves from one another.

02:41:52.000 If he goes to the Republican Party and they realize how vulnerable every one of them are, We could well get them to come down and put pressure to stop this practice, in which case they'll open the door for you and I.

02:42:07.000 To go down with criminal complaints against public officials, get them in front of grand juries, and that will change everything.

02:42:15.000 And of course, grand juries, you have the ballot box, you have the jury box, the grand jury box.

02:42:19.000 If you go back 50 years ago, grand juries were pretty much independent and very powerful and represented the people.

02:42:25.000 Now, they've been turned into creatures of the prosecutors, but just because they operate like they own them, doesn't mean that that's legal or legitimate.

02:42:32.000 But my question is, where is Tom DeLay in his cases right now?

02:42:37.000 He hasn't contacted me since I gave him the documentation.

02:42:40.000 No, but where is his case?

02:42:41.000 Oh, his case, they're in jury selection right now, and they're trying to prosecute him for a felony.

02:42:48.000 So he didn't take a deal.

02:42:50.000 And you've looked at the case?

02:42:51.000 He was not guilty of it?

02:42:53.000 Whether he's guilty or not, I'm not sure, but from reading the case, there's nothing in the case that would indicate it.

02:42:59.000 And what are they claiming he did?

02:43:01.000 Oh, they're claiming he took money under the table.

02:43:05.000 And then took that money and invested it in different ventures of his own.

02:43:10.000 But they, from what I could see, it was iffy at best.

02:43:14.000 The fact that Tom DeLay is willing to take this to court, he's pretty sure he's going to win it.

02:43:21.000 But I suspect now, with the problems that the prosecutor's going to have maintaining due process, he's got a much bigger chance of winning it.

02:43:31.000 But why isn't Tom DeLay bringing up the issue that the complaint was brought by a political opponent?

02:43:36.000 Most likely his attorney has fed him a story.

02:43:42.000 But I can't speculate.

02:43:43.000 I've had Dick DeGaran on a few times.

02:43:45.000 He defended the Waco folks.

02:43:46.000 He's a pretty good guy.

02:43:48.000 But he lost.

02:43:50.000 Well, that's because the judge that ran the Waco operation was over the court.

02:43:55.000 I mean, the judge that was over the criminal trial was over the civil.

02:43:59.000 I didn't understand.

02:43:59.000 I had heard good about Dick DeGaran.

02:44:03.000 I didn't understand why he didn't look at this and say, this is an absolute open door to get this thrown out.

02:44:11.000 Unless he had a strategy I didn't know about, which was bring this up at trial.

02:44:17.000 And force a dismissal at trial, that way they can't come back after it.

02:44:20.000 And that might be why he's mad at you for disclosing his secret weapon.

02:44:25.000 He could have told me.

02:44:27.000 Well, he doesn't know you're out there, Randy.

02:44:30.000 I really didn't care about his position.

02:44:32.000 No, I understand.

02:44:32.000 You're just pointing out the due process and how they're violating that.

02:44:35.000 I'm concerned about what they're doing to you and me and everybody.

02:44:39.000 In the United States, in Texas, average conviction rate, 99.6.

02:44:47.000 Would you recognize a police state if you were in one?

02:44:50.000 The United States houses approximately 3% of the world's population.

02:44:56.000 It houses approximately 50% of the world's population of inmates.

02:45:00.000 Would you recognize a police state if you were in one?

02:45:04.000 This is the worst police state the world has ever seen, and we don't have a clue.

02:45:10.000 That's why I'm going after this.

02:45:13.000 Well it is crazy how they selectively prosecute innocent people and then leave corrupt people alone.

02:45:19.000 Have you heard about this Jack Conway case?

02:45:22.000 Where his brother is a prosecutor, he's the Attorney General of Kentucky, running against Rand Paul, and they were going to SWAT team his brother for reported narcotics trafficking and usage, that was the alleged thing, and then the The head narcotics officer warned his brother and then warned Conway and then his brother and the detectives lied to other investigators and now they admit all this in the newspaper but it's not a big issue?

02:45:46.000 That sounds like obstruction of justice.

02:45:47.000 This is something that citizens need to go down to grand juries with criminal charges against these guys.

02:45:55.000 The nice thing about criminal charges, you're absolutely protected if you file criminal charges.

02:46:02.000 Anyone who interferes with you They wind up with criminal charges against them.

02:46:07.000 We don't have any time on this show, but I have a whole process for going after one person and when someone steps in the way and tries to protect them, you forget the first and go for the second one.

02:46:18.000 And eventually you want to go for a district judge and drag the district judge down to the grand jury.

02:46:23.000 And when you get the district judge to the grand jury for protecting the district attorney from prosecution, the district judge is going to be really unhappy with the district.

02:46:32.000 But how can they be in the newspaper admitting they lied and admitting they warned him and then they're not instantly indicted?

02:46:38.000 They're not afraid of us.

02:46:41.000 Thomas Jefferson said, when the people fear the government, there's tyranny.

02:46:45.000 When the government fears the people, there is liberty.

02:46:48.000 The government does not yet fear the people.

02:46:49.000 Well, that's like these mortgages, and now we'll start getting into that.

02:46:52.000 I mean, with these mortgages, they're just out in the open, Randy, like that lawyer said, just engaged in total fraud, and they know it.

02:46:59.000 Yes, they bought the courts.

02:47:02.000 And what I tell people when I present this, courts are absolutely corrupt.

02:47:07.000 You sue in the court, you sue pro se, they're going to rule against you at every turn.

02:47:13.000 You have to expect that.

02:47:15.000 They are so corrupt.

02:47:16.000 But, but, but why are people having victory though, even though that's happening?

02:47:19.000 You're forcing them to fight it, and they've got so many things they're stealing, they don't have time to deal with it.

02:47:24.000 But then if you go back at them and sue them, but I mean, look at these cases here, Randy.

02:47:28.000 It's all over the Wall Street Journal.

02:47:29.000 They're winning these cases against the banks.

02:47:31.000 Here's the problem with the guys who bought the judges.

02:47:34.000 The judges are so corrupt, they can't even trust them.

02:47:39.000 Politics, there's three kinds of power.

02:47:42.000 Politics, money, and votes.

02:47:45.000 And guns.

02:47:46.000 And guns.

02:47:48.000 Right now, votes are becoming the big issue for the politicians.

02:47:53.000 The politicians are exerting influence on the courts, and the courts are betraying the ones that bought them.

02:48:02.000 And they're setting a precedent for down the road.

02:48:05.000 Once this election is over, every member of the House of Representatives is up for election, they're going in with an 11% approval rating.

02:48:13.000 They can hear the toilet flushing.

02:48:14.000 They're doing everything they can to distract the public from them and get them looking at some other enemy, while the politicians who created this mess put on a show of trying to do something to clean it up, just long enough for us to vote for them so they can go back to business as usual.

02:48:35.000 The problem is, once they open this legal door, they set the precedent.

02:48:40.000 They get this train on the track, and they can't get it off.

02:48:43.000 The precedent for banks to take anybody's property they want is one precedent, or the precedent that people started to win, and now people understand it's a fraud.

02:48:51.000 Yes, and I read some figures on the judges' retirement funds are also invested in these Consumer mortgages, the funds' values have went from $6.8 billion to $2.3 billion in the last four years.

02:49:08.000 So the judges have been robbed?

02:49:10.000 So now the judges are realizing that they screwed themselves.

02:49:14.000 And now they need to do something to find a way to recover.

02:49:18.000 And we have a number of unions and other retirement investment funds that are suing the lenders to try to recover some of these monies that they've lost.

02:49:28.000 Okay, we've given some of the basics.

02:49:30.000 In the next few segments, I want you to go through your document cam presentation, but we're about to go to break.

02:49:36.000 We've got the free video streams again today up at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com that we do every once in a while.

02:49:41.000 We've been doing a little bit more lately because this is also important so people can actually see these graphs Yes.

02:49:45.000 And information will all then be archived at PrisonPlanet.tv a few hours after the show ends.

02:49:50.000 We're going to break in one minute, Randy.

02:49:52.000 I want you just to hurriedly go through the facts and figures because you're about to show people the fraud.

02:49:57.000 First, they've got to see the fraud.

02:49:58.000 Then you'll talk about the remedies that have been having the most success.

02:50:01.000 Yes.

02:50:02.000 The Glass-Steagall Act was the start.

02:50:07.000 In the 80s and 90s, first Clinton and then Bush removed the Glass-Steagall Act and another act that protected borrowers from the lenders.

02:50:20.000 Well, under the guise of making housing available to the poor, they took these protections off, and about the same time they started securitizing notes.

02:50:28.000 Well, this created an opportunity for people to go into business as mortgage companies, and they didn't care about the mortgage.

02:50:35.000 They create the mortgage and sell it.

02:50:36.000 They get their money, take profit, walk away.

02:50:40.000 So it made it profitable to sell these to investors, and the more expensive the loan product, the more profit they made.

02:50:48.000 Alright, we're going to explain all this, and then get into all the facts, figures, and numbers.

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02:53:57.000 Okay, so we're delving deep into the mortgage fraud, which is only one piece of the larger banking takeover.

02:54:10.000 Randy's a pro-state litigant having a lot of big success keeping people in their houses, teaching them how to defend themselves.

02:54:16.000 That's the secret, because you heard the law firm earlier.

02:54:18.000 They got more business than they can even take.

02:54:20.000 And there's other law firms learning, other individuals learning.

02:54:23.000 You know, how to demand due process, how to not just be rolled over.

02:54:27.000 And by everybody resisting, or even a small percentage resisting, that's already brought them to a grinding halt.

02:54:32.000 Randy, on the document cam for PrisonPlanet.TV viewers, we're going to be going over these charts and graphs.

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02:54:44.000 What's this first graph we've got here?

02:54:45.000 This first graph is a graph of housing prices for the last hundred years.

02:54:52.000 And you can see there was a rather large drop around the turn of the century.

02:54:59.000 The last two peaks, there was a peak in the 20s, a peak in the 40s, then it dropped down, and in the year 2000, the graph went almost straight up.

02:55:12.000 And there's a reason for that.

02:55:14.000 We can go back, and it's hard to see on the graph, but there's a drop-down in 1907.

02:55:20.000 And that drop-down was caused because people were allowed to bet on stocks, whether they would increase or decrease, without actually purchasing the stock.

02:55:29.000 That was called derivatives.

02:55:32.000 It caused the stock market crash in 1907, so the legislature forbade it.

02:55:36.000 That's right here.

02:55:38.000 They forbade the practice, made it a felony.

02:55:41.000 Until the year 2000.

02:55:43.000 The year 2000, they removed that restriction.

02:55:48.000 So with the Glass-Steagall Act gone, and government oversight of the lenders is non-existent, they essentially unleashed the money changers on us.

02:55:58.000 Convincing everybody to do the one thing that had always been forbidden, and to speculate on their home.

02:56:04.000 And to take their good, stable loans in which they were building equity and trade them in for speculative loans that they would possibly make a lot of money on.

02:56:14.000 But in the end, something else could happen which they didn't tell them about.

02:56:19.000 And the easiest way to visualize is to turn that graph upside down, because that's what has actually happened to the lending industry.

02:56:27.000 That's a graph of property sales, which reflects property prices.

02:56:38.000 We'll get prices in a second.

02:56:40.000 But, since 2008 is where the graph starts down, or that was 2007, it starts down.

02:56:47.000 This one ends at 2008, and it's done nothing but get worse cents.

02:56:52.000 Let's go to the one in the back.

02:56:54.000 This one.

02:56:56.000 This is an indication, this is a graph of Percent homeowners with mortgage negative equity by state.

02:57:06.000 The very first state there is Nevada.

02:57:10.000 From Nevada we go to Arizona, Florida, Michigan, California.

02:57:14.000 Michigan, if you go to Detroit, it looks like a war zone.

02:57:18.000 We've been there.

02:57:19.000 It looks like I mean, I can't even describe it.

02:57:24.000 It looks like one of those movies where everybody's dead on the planet.

02:57:28.000 Kind of like I Am Legend or something, and there's just nobody there.

02:57:30.000 Nobody there.

02:57:31.000 This is going to happen even more.

02:57:33.000 What's happening right now is the banks are foreclosing on so many homes, they can't sell them.

02:57:40.000 They have to take them back.

02:57:42.000 They can't sell them into the market because it'll drive the prices of housing down so much that the housing industry will collapse completely.

02:57:50.000 They already have every state with a good number of people upside down on their mortgages.

02:57:56.000 If they repossess these houses and then put them back out there for sale, this graph will increase exponentially.

02:58:05.000 What we're looking at is a major housing shortage very soon.

02:58:10.000 Well, nobody's building houses now.

02:58:12.000 All construction has ceased.

02:58:14.000 The only construction that's going on is what's already been funded.

02:58:18.000 Can't afford to build houses now.

02:58:19.000 I have a number of friends, construction industry, it's completely shut down.

02:58:23.000 No, it's down by over 90%.

02:58:26.000 Likely to start destroying these houses because they can't afford to keep them.

02:58:29.000 Alright, we're going to come right back in one minute with the fourth hour live.

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03:00:27.000 Randy Kelton You know, really, a mortgage fraud analyst, somebody that breaks this down, and then kind of collates the different systems that are working against it, joins us, and I thought I should plug one of your websites.

03:00:39.000 It's just a basic contact point for folks that want more information, and it's mortgagecrimes.com.

03:00:45.000 Yes, and just a quick comment on Flight 93.

03:00:47.000 The guy called with a cell phone from the airplane.

03:00:52.000 I tried to call a friend of mine from the top of the Empire State Building.

03:00:55.000 I couldn't get a signal.

03:00:58.000 When I went to the bottom of the Empire State Building, I could get there.

03:01:01.000 Now cell phones don't work over about 2,000 feet, and of course they claim they worked at 35,000 feet that day.

03:01:07.000 Yes, that was absolute nonsense.

03:01:08.000 And then it turned out it was, but yeah.

03:01:10.000 Okay, so what's this new graph we've got here?

03:01:12.000 This is a graph of the number of foreclosures by month.

03:01:18.000 Right at the end, you see it appears to go down, and they've been talking about, oh, it's getting better, there are less foreclosures.

03:01:23.000 That's because this modification scam.

03:01:26.000 They instituted this modification, we'll modify your loan for you, so it takes two or three months to get through the modification issue.

03:01:35.000 That's why it looks like it's down.

03:01:37.000 Well, people are finding out that the modification is a setup.

03:01:42.000 You ask for a modification, they say, oh sure, but we can't modify unless you're a couple of payments behind.

03:01:47.000 And then when you get a couple payments behind and start negotiating the modifications, you notice they accelerate your note and you ask them, what is this?

03:01:55.000 Oh, don't worry about that.

03:01:56.000 The modification will take care of it.

03:01:58.000 Then you get a notice of foreclosure.

03:02:00.000 Oh, they'll take care of that.

03:02:01.000 The last thing they'll do is deny your modification and foreclose immediately.

03:02:07.000 Or if they do give you a modification, it's supposed to lower your payments for a period of time and then come back up to where they were.

03:02:13.000 It lowers your payments for a period of time and then they triple.

03:02:16.000 Miss one payment after modification, they foreclose instantly.

03:02:20.000 It's all a setup to force you into a foreclosure.

03:02:22.000 It's a way to get you to waive your rights.

03:02:24.000 Yeah.

03:02:25.000 The only way the lender makes the big money Is to foreclose.

03:02:30.000 He don't care about your property.

03:02:32.000 Derivatives.

03:02:33.000 He'll make 8 to 10 times the amount of your principal if he forecloses.

03:02:38.000 All he wants to do is foreclose.

03:02:40.000 After that, everything in this becomes a liability to him.

03:02:44.000 And that's where we have an advantage.

03:02:46.000 That's where we can take him to task and do something to stop all of this.

03:02:51.000 The courts are turning against him because the politicians are in trouble.

03:02:56.000 All of this is working to our benefit.

03:03:00.000 If we don't do something quickly, this country will be forced into, by far, the worst depression it's ever seen.

03:03:09.000 Because all of these sales of the security instrument, with no hard trace of where they've been, creates property nobody can invest in.

03:03:20.000 When we can't get foreign investment, there's no way for us to come back out of this depression we're going into.

03:03:26.000 So, we need to stop as many foreclosures as possible.

03:03:31.000 Everybody here needs to stay in their houses.

03:03:35.000 And the best way to do that is to sue them.

03:03:38.000 The attorneys that were on before.

03:03:40.000 Win, lose, or draw.

03:03:41.000 You sue them, you win.

03:03:44.000 They're going to lose, even if they win the House in the end, which is becoming very unlikely.

03:03:50.000 No, no, they're losing them.

03:03:53.000 They're failing because once they get into depositions, they go, yeah, we don't have the deed, or we didn't review the documents, or we charged too many fees, or yeah, we sold this over and over again.

03:04:01.000 I mean, and then they're dead.

03:04:03.000 Yes, we put together a program to help people get into court.

03:04:08.000 Just sue him.

03:04:10.000 The first one I did, someone came to me, you gotta do something or I'm gonna be thrown out in three days.

03:04:14.000 I went on the internet, I used my most honed skill, plagiarized, I pulled down a bunch of suits with issues that matched this guy's issues.

03:04:22.000 That was what, two and a half years ago?

03:04:24.000 Last November.

03:04:26.000 I've heard you for years talking about it.

03:04:27.000 I've been researching it, and they found out I was researching it, and they actually got me doing this before I was ready.

03:04:32.000 So we're finally getting all our pieces in place right now.

03:04:36.000 But this guy, I just put together a suit, and frankly, it was junk.

03:04:39.000 He's still in his house.

03:04:41.000 He filed his junk suit, and just two months ago, the lender came to him and said, Well, you sued the wrong person.

03:04:49.000 You should have sued this guy.

03:04:50.000 And folks can contact you at Mortgage Crimes, with an S, right?

03:04:53.000 Yes.

03:04:53.000 Mortgagecrimes.com to find out more.

03:04:55.000 We'll be right back to break this down.

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03:08:10.000 Okay, I see your phone calls.

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03:08:22.000 Now, just a few months ago, it was a fraud.

03:08:24.000 It was a conspiracy theory to say, make them show you the note.

03:08:28.000 Go after them for selling the note, for not having a proper chain of title, for selling it into derivatives, clouding your title, because you're supposedly paying in to finally own this house, and they've already sold it down the road to all these foreign countries and corporations.

03:08:43.000 See, this affects everybody, not just people that are upside down.

03:08:46.000 That's why they're taking houses that are paid for, or they don't even have a note for, because this was sold in derivatives.

03:08:54.000 Just because lawyers and pro se's finally sued and busted all this open, they ceased many of the foreclosures because it's killing them and they're looking for a political remedy in Congress to tell them they're allowed to do all this.

03:09:06.000 But then if Congress does do that, if they're signaling they are, then there's no private property left in this country.

03:09:12.000 I mean, Randy, that's why I've been spending so much time on this.

03:09:15.000 This is a big deal.

03:09:16.000 This is THE deal.

03:09:18.000 There's a good chance this country will come apart over all of this.

03:09:23.000 And in terms of remedies, I may be suggesting something that would lead to that.

03:09:29.000 If we're going to fix this problem, one of the things we do, I hate new legislation, but there is a little bit that we need.

03:09:37.000 One of the things we need is statutes forbidding the paying of derivatives.

03:09:44.000 We can't go back and undo what's been done.

03:09:47.000 But we had that before 99.

03:09:50.000 Yes, before 99 it was a felony to do that.

03:09:52.000 We should stop the payment of all derivatives.

03:09:56.000 These people have bought this as insurance.

03:09:58.000 That's what Webster Tarpley says.

03:10:00.000 Freeze them.

03:10:01.000 They're fraud.

03:10:01.000 They were induced through fraud.

03:10:03.000 It's over.

03:10:03.000 Yeah, right.

03:10:05.000 This leaves the lender without this monetary... And then they try to hold us hostage and say we're going into a depression if we don't do that.

03:10:11.000 We're already in one!

03:10:12.000 Yeah, we're going to go into one worse if we continue this.

03:10:15.000 And the other thing, the state of Georgia has before its house legislation that would declare gold and silver as the legal tender Valued by weight of specie.

03:10:28.000 They're looking at pulling out of the dollar.

03:10:30.000 That's the best thing the states could do to stabilize their economies economically.

03:10:35.000 And one other thing, a program that was talked about a few months ago and then just kind of disappeared to force occupancy for repossessed properties.

03:10:46.000 To allow the people to stay in the properties until either litigation was finished Or until the bank... Because that doesn't drive down property values, now somebody's mowing the yard, homeless don't move in.

03:10:58.000 The banks know that's the best policy, but they need to go ahead and get it fully under their control to keep it pegged to their derivatives.

03:11:04.000 And that, everybody would win in that case.

03:11:07.000 Even the banks would win.

03:11:08.000 They wouldn't have all these houses that are empty, they can't insure, and if they don't keep them up they become a public nuisance.

03:11:16.000 Then they can get cited by the cities and the states in California.

03:11:20.000 If you don't maintain an empty property, it's a felony because it creates such a dangerous situation.

03:11:26.000 It's a problem for the banks.

03:11:28.000 I'm afraid the banks are going to start bulldozing these houses.

03:11:30.000 That's already happening in Detroit.

03:11:33.000 And this is what's happened in Detroit, what's happening in Nevada, that's just a perspective.

03:11:38.000 Well I remember a year and a half ago they had LA Times articles about people riding through ghost town, you know, million dollar home neighborhoods with mountain lions on the roofs and bobcats and wolves and turkeys running around.

03:11:51.000 I mean it's just, it's a wild kingdom.

03:11:54.000 And this country's going to go to that.

03:11:57.000 I hate to think of Mad Max's programs as having any truth to them, but we're looking at some really serious problems.

03:12:04.000 Okay, let's get into the rest of your literature and these graphs and charts you've got here, Randy, and some of the different, again, you can't diagnose something over the phone or even on the radio, just basic stuff you know is working, because this is a work in progress.

03:12:18.000 Some of the things other lawyers are doing, things you've been doing, some of the ways, some of the best suits out there.

03:12:23.000 Best thing to do, first thing to do is look at the amount of fraud.

03:12:28.000 The courts are saying to the lawyers, don't keep coming to me with these generic general accusations of where is the note and you don't have standing or agency or capacity.

03:12:39.000 Give me something particular with this note that shows that this particular note's a problem.

03:12:43.000 So, first thing you do is look at your HUD-1, at your truth and lending statement and your note.

03:12:50.000 Almost everyone will have a principle in interest on the note that's different than the principle in interest on the Truth in Lending Statement.

03:12:59.000 You should run an amortization on both of them.

03:13:04.000 What you find may surprise you.

03:13:05.000 One of the first ones I did had a $115,000 note at 6.5%.

03:13:11.000 That came up with a $693 payment.

03:13:15.000 The Truth in Lending, which contained the amounts that the person actually was required to pay, had 6.5% interest at $113.99.

03:13:27.000 Almost a thousand, a little over a thousand dollars less principal, half a percent more in interest.

03:13:32.000 Well, after you said it closing and read a stack of documents an inch high, your brain kind of turns to mud.

03:13:37.000 And I asked Steve about that, and he said, I noticed it, but it looked like it balanced out.

03:13:41.000 When I ran the notes together, the amount you would overpay if you paid what was on the Truth in Lending Statement on a $115,000 note in 30 years, he would have overpaid $44,000.

03:13:52.000 dollar note in 30 years he would have overpaid forty four thousand dollars so we run the calculation take that as a fraud claim because in fraud you don't claim the amount you were actually defrauded of It was a five-year-old note.

03:14:09.000 You claim the amount you would have been defrauded of had their plan ran to fruition, $44,000.

03:14:15.000 But you don't sue for that either.

03:14:16.000 You sue for triple.

03:14:18.000 First calculation, we get an amount in fraud claim greater than the amount of the original principal.

03:14:27.000 Then look at your HUD-1 settlement statement.

03:14:29.000 Sell these fees on there.

03:14:32.000 The lender is only allowed to charge the borrower those fees the borrower would have to pay if they purchased the house in cash, and those fees the lender must pay to a third-party vendor.

03:14:47.000 But at closing, he didn't provide you with any documentation to show first that the fees were proper, allowed by law, that the services provided by the vendor were necessary, That the amounts charged were reasonable, neither did he show you his disbursement to show that he didn't take an unauthorized markup on the amounts charged.

03:15:11.000 So we claim they're all bogus.

03:15:12.000 They're all false.

03:15:13.000 What about when they also have you sign papers saying, you know, this is going to be packaged and resold.

03:15:18.000 They don't tell you this means this could cloud your title down the road.

03:15:22.000 What they don't tell you is, for the most part, it's already sold.

03:15:28.000 You think the guy who's standing in front of you as the lender is the guy who lent you the money?

03:15:33.000 He's not.

03:15:35.000 The special purpose vehicle's the one lending you the money.

03:15:38.000 It's already been sold to him.

03:15:39.000 That's why the loan's already been authorized.

03:15:41.000 And he's not licensed to do business in the state.

03:15:44.000 He's not a licensed lender.

03:15:46.000 The lender's lending him his license and the whole process is illegal.

03:15:50.000 Yeah, but going back, I mean, they're winning in court and you're having success as well.

03:15:54.000 I mean, going after the fact of show us the deed or show us who signed off on this foreclosure statement, who had notaries sign it and they didn't.

03:16:03.000 I mean, that's working, but you're saying you're doing that and then adding other things on it.

03:16:07.000 Yeah, we come in with a very large fraud claim against the lender.

03:16:12.000 It's a large number.

03:16:14.000 Frankly, we'd never win that number.

03:16:17.000 But in the end, we don't care.

03:16:20.000 Because the other side knows as well as we do, when we get in front of the jury and tell the jury the kind of crap all of these guys have pulled on them, the first thing the jury's going to do when they go home that night is pull out their HUD-1 settlement statement, and they're going to see a fee on there that says, Document preparation fee, assumption fee, all of these different fees.

03:16:44.000 And they're going to know they've been in the same boat just like the judges who were invested in these funds and have lost two-thirds of their money in the last two years.

03:16:51.000 And so what you talked about a few weeks ago is, once this is done, they're immediately rushing to the table wanting to make a deal.

03:16:57.000 That's the whole idea.

03:16:58.000 The courts are corrupt, guys.

03:17:02.000 They're absolutely corrupt.

03:17:03.000 You don't want to get in front of the court.

03:17:05.000 The other side doesn't want to get in front of the court.

03:17:07.000 Nobody can trust them, either side.

03:17:10.000 We build as strong a case against the lender as we can.

03:17:14.000 And this number we bring to the table, the jury, no matter what the other side does to that number, there's only one number they're going to remember.

03:17:24.000 And that's the one you walked in the door with.

03:17:27.000 Now, it's a good number.

03:17:28.000 We can take you how we got that number to the penny.

03:17:31.000 So we have a direct claim on this loan of an exact amount of fraud.

03:17:37.000 And generally, $300,000 note, we can find between a million and a million two in fraud claim against the lender.

03:17:45.000 Then we go into all of the issues that they absolutely cannot defend.

03:17:50.000 So that's the bonafide claim is the fraud, and then you open it up to, okay now we're in a suit, give us your deed.

03:17:59.000 So that's how you get it into court.

03:18:01.000 Then you say, now show us the deed.

03:18:02.000 Okay, show us, you know, like the lawyer said two hours ago, oh you signed all these papers, and it's just some lawyer there doing the service.

03:18:12.000 You claim that you'd reviewed everything, you just perjured yourself.

03:18:15.000 Exactly.

03:18:15.000 An attorney may not accept the word of his client.

03:18:19.000 He must test the veracity of his client himself.

03:18:23.000 And the first thing we want to talk to is the guy who's doing the foreclosure.

03:18:26.000 Who are you?

03:18:27.000 I want to see your contract with the principal.

03:18:32.000 You're the agent?

03:18:33.000 Agency may not be proven out of the mouth of the agent.

03:18:36.000 It must be proven out of the mouth of the principal.

03:18:38.000 Show me your contract.

03:18:39.000 His problem is he doesn't know who the principal is.

03:18:43.000 He sees these foreclosures, these documents being filed with the court, and they just pick them up and run with them.

03:18:50.000 Whoever wins it, gets the money.

03:18:51.000 Alright, we've got to go to calls, and we'll have you back again, but we've got more graphs there that we'll cover after we take some calls.

03:18:58.000 But Randy, we're about to go to break, but specifically, again, the 200 plus cases, and you're having what success?

03:19:05.000 Primarily, we're keeping people in their houses.

03:19:07.000 It takes generally two to two and a half years to get through a lawsuit.

03:19:11.000 And we started this a year ago.

03:19:13.000 Most everybody's still in their houses.

03:19:15.000 And it's expensive with lawyers, but when people, you teach them how to do it pro se, it's not.

03:19:19.000 It's not.

03:19:19.000 You can afford to kick them in their teeth, and it keeps you in the house.

03:19:23.000 This is the greatest value because property values are falling like a stone.

03:19:30.000 And by the year 2012, if you bought a house in 07 for $300,000, you'll be lucky to get $80,000.

03:19:38.000 We know that.

03:19:39.000 The banks know that.

03:19:41.000 They know their worst enemy is time.

03:19:45.000 As time goes on, the banks build up more properties they can't get rid of.

03:19:49.000 It's going to make them want... So you don't make it easy for them.

03:19:53.000 Exactly.

03:19:53.000 All right, we're going to be right back with Randy Kelton.

03:19:55.000 Your phone calls George, Mark, Bill, Shannon, and others.

03:19:57.000 Stay with us.

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03:23:49.000 Okay, we've got a bunch of other graphs we're going to go to right at the end of this hour, like foreclosure by number of bedrooms.

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03:24:04.000 Okay, we've got a bunch of other graphs we're going to go to right at the end of this hour, like foreclosure by number of bedrooms.

03:24:12.000 It's the lower middle class, three bedrooms.

03:24:15.000 Not studios, not one bedrooms, not two bedrooms, not four, not five, but three bedrooms.

03:24:24.000 Average American.

03:24:25.000 Uh, let's go ahead, and people with kids, let's go to your phone calls, 1-800-259-9031.

03:24:28.000 Uh, Randy has got a bunch of different websites for his radio show and the things he does and dealing with Hi Randy, I have a question.

03:24:36.000 corruption, but mortgagecrimes.com is the main site if you want to contact him and then get more information, mortgagecrimes.com.

03:24:44.000 Let's go ahead and go to George in Connecticut.

03:24:48.000 You're on the air.

03:24:49.000 Thanks for holding.

03:24:49.000 Hi, Randy.

03:24:50.000 I have a question.

03:24:52.000 It looks like the banks are trying to do an end run by either using shell companies and buying back the mortgages so that the taxpayer gets stuck with the depreciation and has to write that off and then they buy back and sell it at a depreciation rate.

03:25:08.000 But the other thing is they're also going in and buying tax certificates.

03:25:11.000 Now, I was thinking of helping a lot of people out of going to buy the tax certificates and sell them back to them so they could wipe everything clean, but the banks are also going into that too.

03:25:21.000 So I I mean, it looks like the banks are trying to commit fraud on several levels by sticking the taxpayer with the depreciation.

03:25:28.000 Oh no, that's admitted by Timberwolf and Goldman Sachs, that they bundle the goodies, the good mortgages for themselves, and then sell retirement funds, police funds, governments, the cruds.

03:25:38.000 You're absolutely right.

03:25:40.000 So they steal our equity on the front end.

03:25:44.000 On the back end, they steal our retirement funds, and in the middle, they steal all our tax money.

03:25:50.000 Yeah, they make us bail it out, and then they don't even use it for what they said.

03:25:54.000 Anything else, George?

03:25:55.000 No, I just want to say, how do you stop them?

03:25:58.000 Is there a way to stop them from committing another fraud by buying up all the tax certificates, and then buying them from a shell company, and basically defrauding us one more time out of the same deal?

03:26:09.000 Can't answer that one.

03:26:09.000 That's one I haven't researched yet.

03:26:11.000 But you can see, I mean, we have the emails and the documents and major publications like McClatchy have detailed it and so has Congress.

03:26:19.000 They set this thing up.

03:26:20.000 I mean, this was set up.

03:26:22.000 That's, in me looking at this, all of these pieces, I have this graph, if you can go to that one, what they're doing is very complex.

03:26:34.000 All of these mechanizations, before securitizations, you wouldn't have found any of that in there.

03:26:39.000 You'd have found the lender, the... Before the end of Glass-Steagall that made all this a felony, because we'd been through this before.

03:26:46.000 Before that, none of this was going on.

03:26:48.000 Great points, George.

03:26:49.000 We're going to mark others in a minute, but tell us about this chart, the securitization flow chart.

03:26:54.000 Yeah, this shows how the security instrument moves, how the money moves, how the documents move.

03:27:00.000 The primary importance of this one is how complex it is.

03:27:04.000 Attorneys, they don't have time to do the research.

03:27:08.000 We have about $100,000 invested in research on this right now.

03:27:12.000 And you're now, all over the country, advising law firms.

03:27:14.000 I mean, you're meeting with lawyers.

03:27:16.000 Yes, because they don't have time to do all of this.

03:27:18.000 I'm also building a litigation engine.

03:27:21.000 A computer program that never forgets any of this.

03:27:25.000 Okay, so go over this graph.

03:27:26.000 Where do I start here?

03:27:27.000 So we start with the... It's hard to tell from the graph because it starts with the loan broker.

03:27:33.000 The loan broker brings you, a real estate agent will bring you to a broker.

03:27:39.000 The broker will find you a mortgage company to write your note.

03:27:45.000 But what you don't know is he always finds the same one because he's in bed with it.

03:27:49.000 And the loan broker pays the Agents who bring them the note, extra fees, according to the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act, the commission for bringing in a loan can be no more than 1% of the principal.

03:28:07.000 But they never come away with less than 2 or 3%.

03:28:09.000 They pay them that under the table to bring them loans that are more expensive.

03:28:15.000 They pay the agents to breach their fiduciary duty to the borrower and upsell the note, convince him that he only qualifies for a much more expensive loan product than he actually does.

03:28:32.000 The very first item there, the mortgage company, He appears to be a mortgage company, but he's really not.

03:28:40.000 That's this?

03:28:40.000 That's that.

03:28:42.000 He only appears to be because, way down at the back, the last one on the top, the investor, the investor who buys from, well this whole process, in order for the security instrument to get to the final investor, it has to go through four steps.

03:28:59.000 The aggregator, the special purpose vehicle, That's where the loans are put together.

03:29:06.000 It appears from our research that they are actually the owners of the mortgage company.

03:29:13.000 So it appears as though the mortgage company sells the note to the aggregator when in fact they're one in the same company.

03:29:21.000 They've all set this up so they can run through these different mechanisms.

03:29:25.000 And then they gave the word, hey, realtors, local loan originators, everybody's allowed to do this, tell people to lie, to originate the fraud down at the bottom when the person gets the loan.

03:29:39.000 They create the mortgage company that does the fraud, then they bankrupt the mortgage company so he appears to disappear.

03:29:45.000 That's like Enron.

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03:36:19.000 Now, going back to Randy Kelton, I want to get to these calls as quickly as possible.

03:36:24.000 I just talked to... Who's up first here of all these callers?

03:36:28.000 Alright, Mark and Pia.

03:36:29.000 We're going to move quick now.

03:36:30.000 Mark, go ahead.

03:36:32.000 I commend you, Mr. Kelton, for all you're doing.

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03:36:40.000 The challenge here to me is that the battle that's before us is a temporary battle.

03:36:45.000 It's a significant battle.

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03:36:49.000 This is the foundational aspect of who we are as a free people.

03:36:53.000 The property rights of an individual.

03:36:55.000 And after they come after the property, what are they going to come after next?

03:36:57.000 Us as individuals?

03:36:59.000 And so, to me, This whole thing is their party.

03:37:04.000 It's their casino, like Max Keiser says.

03:37:08.000 And it's all based upon the UTC and all of that.

03:37:13.000 So we're dealing in their arena.

03:37:15.000 So on the other side of this, to me, we have to wake up and get to the core, core issue of what real property rights are, what it really means to be free.

03:37:24.000 So, I mean, this is just, to me, it's a distraction.

03:37:27.000 They're just playing a game with us and stripping us out and keeping us distracted.

03:37:32.000 Listen, Mark, I appreciate your call.

03:37:34.000 We gotta move on.

03:37:35.000 You know, all the Patriot folks with the UPC stuff that I've been seeing for 15 years has rendered almost no success.

03:37:43.000 This is rendering serious success, charging them with fraud because they've engaged in it.

03:37:49.000 Uh, and, uh, this is not an exercise in fatality.

03:37:52.000 Uh, it's having a big effect, and I never understand why, when we're up here with real solutions, people, people, uh, you know, say, well, it's their party, it's their system.

03:38:02.000 Yes, it's their fraudulent system, and we're here exposing it.

03:38:05.000 Just exposing their fraud, again, is half the equation.

03:38:09.000 Okay.

03:38:10.000 And I'm glad you, you mentioned that point.

03:38:13.000 Because, frankly, I'm not here primarily for foreclosure issues.

03:38:18.000 Alex knows my primary focus.

03:38:20.000 It's grand juries.

03:38:22.000 I've been helping people with due process issues.

03:38:24.000 And I tell them, the worst one, the key to all of this is the judge.

03:38:29.000 Go in there and kick that judge in his behind.

03:38:31.000 And they say, I'm not going to do that.

03:38:32.000 I can go to jail.

03:38:34.000 But when I've got someone with a foreclosure issue, where they're stealing his house and everything he owns, but his liberty's not at risk, and I say, that dirty, rotten, scoundrel judge is breaking the law.

03:38:45.000 You need to go down and file current complaints with him.

03:38:47.000 That's what you mean by kicking him in the butt?

03:38:49.000 Yes.

03:38:50.000 You use the grand jury against him.

03:38:52.000 I just did a seminar in Las Vegas of people who help other people.

03:38:57.000 And they weren't so interested in hearing about the foreclosure issue.

03:39:00.000 They already knew about it.

03:39:02.000 They want to know how to go after the judges.

03:39:04.000 We get people going after the judges, we will change everything.

03:39:08.000 And people don't do it because they say they're invincible.

03:39:12.000 They're not invincible.

03:39:13.000 They're actually the weakest link.

03:39:16.000 I have stood in court a number of times and said to the bailiff, did you hear that Mr. Bailiff?

03:39:20.000 Drag that judge down off that bench!

03:39:23.000 I have never once had a judge threaten me with contempt for doing that to him.

03:39:28.000 He knew.

03:39:29.000 He's in deep water here.

03:39:31.000 The judges know they're the weakest link.

03:39:34.000 The last thing they want you to know is how vulnerable they are.

03:39:38.000 And with these foreclosure issues, I can get people to realize... Well, that's like the baby they took in New Hampshire, putting a fake criminal record in it for somebody else and everything.

03:39:47.000 And because it was political pressure, when they got up there before the judge, the judge said, there's not enough evidence, release the baby.

03:39:53.000 But see, they had the will to fight.

03:39:56.000 Most people just roll over.

03:39:58.000 Exactly.

03:39:59.000 And this is the key.

03:40:01.000 And look, they can't stop us all.

03:40:02.000 Let's go to another caller.

03:40:03.000 Mark, I understand part of your point, but the rest of it is, this is having an effect.

03:40:09.000 People are staying in their houses.

03:40:11.000 I mean, I don't know what else you want.

03:40:12.000 I mean, this is a real remedy.

03:40:15.000 Let's talk to Shannon in Mississippi.

03:40:16.000 Thanks for holding.

03:40:18.000 Hey, how you doing?

03:40:19.000 Good.

03:40:20.000 Got a question for Mr. Randy.

03:40:22.000 Mr. Randy, I know you probably heard about it, but my mom and my real dad got a divorce and then she married an Air Force veteran in the Air Force for 28 years.

03:40:33.000 Well, he died, and they gave her a silver certificate, one-time buyer's plan, on a house.

03:40:41.000 Well, my mom, she went and bought a house, like an acre of land, and back in the 2002, she bought it, and it was like $140,000.

03:40:51.000 Okay, now, my mom has died, and under that silver certificate, through the military, are they getting insurance if They come and try to take that house because we missed one payment on it.

03:41:09.000 Are there any insurance we could take to the grand jury to say, hey, no, you can't do this?

03:41:15.000 That's my question.

03:41:17.000 I'm not familiar with the silver certificate.

03:41:20.000 Is that some type of guarantee against foreclosure?

03:41:24.000 Is that like some kind of, uh, Well, there was a one-time buyer's plan I understood from my mom before she died through the United States Air Force saying that they would give her the money or credit her a certain amount.

03:41:42.000 I believe it was up to $150,000.

03:41:43.000 She bought the house for like $140,000.

03:41:49.000 And now I'm kind of scared and worried that through it was through the United States Air Force and the government that could come in And just wipe it out from under the family.

03:42:03.000 So has anybody, did she have the, did she have a clear title to it?

03:42:10.000 Or did she have a mortgage?

03:42:11.000 I wanted to ask you, the only thing that was not at the paper signing or anything that I could see, was a clear title or deed.

03:42:21.000 How would I go about locating?

03:42:25.000 Is there a mortgage on the property?

03:42:28.000 Yes, they are.

03:42:30.000 Did your, is this a mortgage from the original purchase?

03:42:35.000 The mortgage from the original purchase, which I would assume would be through the military.

03:42:43.000 Well, this is what I'm getting at.

03:42:45.000 Did the military, was the original purchase of the home, did it have a mortgage on it then or is this a refinance later?

03:42:57.000 Sir, it was a refinance later.

03:43:00.000 The military okayed it.

03:43:03.000 Yeah, I think you're going to have to send Randy an email or something because this is just, Shannon, I mean, we've never heard of this, so we're not exactly sure what you're getting into.

03:43:12.000 Sorry we can't answer your question properly.

03:43:14.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Kim in Indiana.

03:43:17.000 Go ahead.

03:43:19.000 Hello?

03:43:19.000 Yes, go ahead.

03:43:20.000 I have a question for Randy.

03:43:22.000 I've got my property, which I do hold the deed for, it's paid for.

03:43:27.000 For example, if my house would go into foreclosure, could they still come and take my house, although my property's paid for?

03:43:35.000 How do they have a lien against it?

03:43:39.000 I mean, no, I've got the deed for my property, is what I'm saying, it's paid for.

03:43:44.000 But I've got a mortgage on my house.

03:43:46.000 Then, yes, based on the mortgage.

03:43:48.000 The mortgage gives them a claim against the title.

03:43:53.000 Well, you hold the title and the title is in your name.

03:43:58.000 The mortgage gives the mortgagee a claim against the title in the event that you don't meet the requirements of the note.

03:44:10.000 But are you talking about the warranty date on the entire property or any conventions on that?

03:44:15.000 I mean, is there a separate piece of property?

03:44:17.000 Have you subdivided it?

03:44:18.000 Or are you talking about just the house?

03:44:20.000 I'm just talking about the property that sits on the house.

03:44:24.000 Yeah, absolutely they can foreclose.

03:44:25.000 They still can foreclose.

03:44:27.000 Okay, that's all I need to know.

03:44:29.000 All right, thank you.

03:44:31.000 With that said, if they've done this within the last 10 years, the note, if you fight them, they won't have authority to foreclose almost certainly.

03:44:40.000 Because they clouded the entire chain of titles since then.

03:44:43.000 Exactly.

03:44:44.000 You can fight them.

03:44:45.000 All right, let's go ahead.

03:44:46.000 This is different if you've got a house bought before 11 years ago on average.

03:44:50.000 Yes.

03:44:51.000 They can probably take it because it was done properly.

03:44:54.000 Unless, if they securitize the note, then they'll have a problem.

03:44:58.000 Oh, so stuff that's even older than 11 years, if they've sold it since?

03:45:02.000 Yeah, they started about 95.

03:45:03.000 Oh, okay.

03:45:05.000 Alright, let's go ahead and talk to Bill in Florida, then Ronnie, Ken, and others.

03:45:11.000 Bill, drop.

03:45:11.000 Let's go to Ken in Indiana.

03:45:13.000 Ken in Indiana, you're on the air.

03:45:16.000 Hello.

03:45:17.000 Yes, go ahead.

03:45:18.000 Can you explain again, Randy, the difference between the Truth in Lending Statement and the HUD-1 and how to figure that out?

03:45:25.000 And what are the fees that the lender can't charge that you're saying are illegal?

03:45:30.000 Okay.

03:45:31.000 Truth in Lending Statement.

03:45:33.000 The Truth in Lending Statement, it's one page, and it will, right across the middle, it'll have four boxes.

03:45:39.000 It'll show the interest rate, the total amount of interest you'll pay, the total amount of principal, and the principal and interest combined.

03:45:50.000 And then under that will be a section that'll show what your payments will be.

03:45:54.000 Now this is required to be within an eighth of a percent of what the final amount is.

03:46:00.000 You're supposed to get a truth in lending statement after you file the loan application and then a final truth in lending statement within three days of closing.

03:46:10.000 But you normally see it right there in the signing.

03:46:12.000 The HUD-1 settlement statement, that's the two-page legal size document with lines all over it.

03:46:19.000 It goes from line 100 to line 1400.

03:46:23.000 The second page starts at line 700.

03:46:26.000 That lists all the fees you pay at closing.

03:46:31.000 Now, you look at those fees.

03:46:33.000 There's a loan origination fee.

03:46:35.000 That's a fee that's paid to a vendor.

03:46:37.000 That's paid to the person as a commission for bringing them the note.

03:46:41.000 That can be no more than 1% of the note.

03:46:44.000 If you look down below it, you sometimes see a yield spread premium.

03:46:49.000 That's exactly the same thing.

03:46:51.000 I've seen two yields spread premiums at a loan origination fee.

03:46:55.000 So they'll triple charge under different names, and is that federal law that they're not allowed to do that?

03:46:59.000 That's federal law, the Truth in Lending Act, the Real Estate Settlement Procedures Act, and Truth in Lending Act.

03:47:06.000 Specifically limit what the lender can charge the borrower.

03:47:10.000 But then how do they get away with doing it?

03:47:12.000 People don't know.

03:47:13.000 So they have you sign that you know about the truth in lending, but you waive it?

03:47:18.000 No, they don't even do that.

03:47:22.000 The lenders call these junk fees.

03:47:25.000 They just stuff them in there and what we've done is pulled a dirty, stinking, rotten lawyer trick on them.

03:47:32.000 We claim that they added these fees in there so that they could, they're extra fees, it was intended that all of these costs be absorbed in the interest that they charge you.

03:47:45.000 Part of the finance charge.

03:47:47.000 But they added them to the head of the note.

03:47:49.000 They charge you interest on them for 30 years.

03:47:52.000 And we maintain they take those amounts and they slip them under the table to the loan originator.

03:47:56.000 Because now there's interest on fees that have already been jacked up.

03:48:00.000 Yes, and that adds... They don't even give you the opportunity to pay a separate check flat off for that.

03:48:05.000 On a 6% note, if they add $1,000 to the principal, you'll pay $5,900 over the life of the note.

03:48:12.000 And on average, with a $300,000 house, you're saying it's over $40,000?

03:48:15.000 Yes.

03:48:16.000 Alright, I hope that answers your question.

03:48:18.000 I appreciate the call.

03:48:20.000 Up next here, John, I got my list confused.

03:48:24.000 Mike in Louisiana, you're on the air with Randy Kelton and Alex Jones.

03:48:27.000 Go ahead.

03:48:28.000 Hey Alex, long time listener.

03:48:29.000 I really appreciate the show.

03:48:30.000 I've got a question for your guest.

03:48:32.000 I'm in the mortgage business and he's thrown out some of the terms, but as far as the limitation on a 1% origination being the maximum amount you can charge On a loan, that's only for FHA loans.

03:48:44.000 For conventional loans, for what used to be non-conforming loans, sub-prime, all pay, you could charge more than 1%, but the FHA limits you to 1%, and there's other fees that are not allowable fees.

03:48:56.000 Lenders can choose to itemize their fees based on the services that they provide.

03:49:01.000 If you have a processor that you're outsourcing, you can choose to pay her separately, and things like that.

03:49:06.000 The reference to the yield spread premium in the form of a A payment outside of closing when the loan is sold.

03:49:13.000 I used to be a broker, a mortgage broker, who's been the whipping boy for this whole industry for the last three years, and what happened is we would originate the loan and get paid for that, and also, based on the interest rate that we were able to sell in the free market at, let's say, the going rate was five, and we sold a five percent rate that might be par, meaning there was no yield spread premium,

03:49:38.000 And it has to be disclosed on the good faith estimate, and it also has to be disclosed on the HUD-1 settlement statement in a certain block, and he referenced those.

03:49:44.000 However, if you sold the loan at 5.25, that extra quarter point in rate would mean that you might get a yield spread premium of, let's say, 1%.

03:49:53.000 Now, I know we don't want to get too obtuse on a radio show, but Section 32 is the law that regulates how much an originator can make, Here's a simple question I want Randy to be able to comment on this.

03:50:09.000 We're skipping this final break.

03:50:10.000 It's real simple.

03:50:12.000 Before 99 or so, They would not go out and induce people, the brokers and others, to exaggerate how much money they make or whatever.

03:50:22.000 And the loan officers, and I'm just boiling all this down to simplistic terms above it, wouldn't certify it.

03:50:28.000 But something changed, and we've all heard about that.

03:50:32.000 I understand the whipping boys and the low-level people.

03:50:34.000 We're talking about the big mega banks that engineered all this, so I'm not saying you're the devil.

03:50:39.000 You were, you know, going through your industry and what was standard operating procedure, just like giving somebody chemotherapy is, because the American Medical Association says so.

03:50:47.000 But I mean, specifically, things did change, and the whole thing's grinding to a halt.

03:50:52.000 I mean, bottom line, what are you saying to Randy?

03:50:54.000 That he's wrong?

03:50:57.000 I guess that gets them into court by making the charge on the fraud, and then you can pull up, as you alluded to earlier, you can pull up the show-me-the-note argument.

03:51:07.000 But the pulling up the fraud thing with the interest rate on the truth in lending is an APR.

03:51:12.000 It's an annual percentage rate.

03:51:13.000 It's the cost of your loan in the form of an interest rate over time.

03:51:16.000 over the full term of the loan because the federal government in their wisdom wanted to make it easy for clients or for customers to compare my rate.

03:51:25.000 Comment on this because it's getting all academic.

03:51:27.000 The issue we bring, the note is very clear.

03:51:31.000 You sign this contract and you say, I agree to pay this amount of principal at this interest.

03:51:39.000 And then the lender comes along with this other document that has a different principal on it and a different interest.

03:51:47.000 And when I run the two of them, the one with the different principle and interest doesn't come up with the same cost to me as what I agreed to.

03:51:56.000 So you're saying the fraud is people are shown one bill and then on the final day another bill?

03:52:01.000 That's because you could go to bank 1 and get 5% and they charge you $2,000 for a 5% loan for 30 years and bank number 2 is going to charge you $2,500 for it.

03:52:11.000 And so the truth in lending, the whole point of that was to help you determine what that bank 2 is charging you more.

03:52:17.000 And then they quantify it in the form of an interest rate.

03:52:19.000 I looked at the truth in lending statement.

03:52:20.000 I'm not sure what you're quantifying.

03:52:22.000 I know I sign a note and it says I agree to pay X amount of principal at X amount of interest.

03:52:31.000 How does it get that the Truth in Lending Statement has a payment amount on it?

03:52:37.000 If I pay that payment, I will pay thousands and thousands more than what I agreed to.

03:52:45.000 That's listed on the Truth in Lending, matches the note rate.

03:52:49.000 Absolutely.

03:52:50.000 It does about 25% of the time.

03:52:53.000 Well, the PMI carries over to that, so you might be mistakenly looking at a Truth in Lending that has a PI plus a PMI charge on there, and it not computing because the people didn't put down 20%.

03:53:03.000 Hey, why don't you, I bet you'd like to talk to Mike Offair.

03:53:08.000 So send him an email there at mortgagecrimes.com, or Randy, what's an email for you?

03:53:08.000 Yes, I would.

03:53:15.000 That would be a great one.

03:53:16.000 Alright, just go to that side, it's got it right there.

03:53:18.000 Mike, very interesting.

03:53:20.000 I'll tell you, I study this stuff all the time and I get confused by it.

03:53:23.000 Let's go ahead and talk to Dan in Texas.

03:53:26.000 Dan, you're on the air.

03:53:29.000 Yes, this is Dan in Texas.

03:53:30.000 I'm having basically the same problem here.

03:53:33.000 It is quite academic.

03:53:34.000 I'm looking at your website.

03:53:35.000 And I'm trying to... See, I don't actually know what an 801 is or a HUD-1 settlement.

03:53:40.000 I don't know what these things look like.

03:53:42.000 And I'm wondering if you have a complete example, something that we can look at front to back and learn how to... Sure, sure.

03:53:47.000 No, he's just giving you basic things for you to go dig it out yourself and look at it.

03:53:50.000 Yeah, you can... If you look in your loan package, the HUD-1 is really easy to locate.

03:53:58.000 It's the only one that has lines all down the document.

03:54:03.000 We should, I haven't looked at the website today, but we should have a HUD-1 interactive.

03:54:10.000 on the website that you can open up and fill in the amount.

03:54:13.000 Yeah, but let's be clear.

03:54:14.000 We had a lawyer on earlier from ICE Legal who's in the Wall Street Journal winning these cases.

03:54:20.000 Just to hear what he had to say, just like we're hearing from Randy.

03:54:23.000 Randy's involved in a whole bunch of stuff as a pro se litigant.

03:54:25.000 He's not there to hold everybody's hand through this.

03:54:28.000 We're just talking about general issues that are going on and Randy's now trying to develop and codify all this.

03:54:33.000 This is all a work in progress.

03:54:36.000 We don't have all the answers.

03:54:37.000 I certainly don't.

03:54:38.000 I'm just here investigating all this from different perspectives.

03:54:41.000 And this issue of the Truth in Lending Statement, I've had a number of people that I've talked to about the Truth in Lending Statement.

03:54:49.000 And it always comes up different.

03:54:52.000 I never can get anything clear and definitive that tells me why Steve was required to pay $720 a month On the truth in lending, when the note he agreed to came up to $693.

03:55:07.000 Couldn't figure that one out.

03:55:08.000 Alright, I get it.

03:55:10.000 I'll have to look at your website.

03:55:11.000 Listen, I gotta jump.

03:55:12.000 Thank you.

03:55:13.000 Interesting points, Dan.

03:55:14.000 Pablo in Oregon.

03:55:15.000 You're on the air.

03:55:16.000 Go ahead.

03:55:17.000 Yes, Alex.

03:55:18.000 Yes.

03:55:19.000 Alex.

03:55:20.000 Okay, let's see.

03:55:22.000 Real quick.

03:55:23.000 I trade currency.

03:55:24.000 I've been trading currency for the last 10 years.

03:55:26.000 I worked at the Chicago Mercantile Exchange.

03:55:28.000 I worked at the board of trade, traded bonds there for a while.

03:55:33.000 And I've been following this all super, super close, the whole collapse, the whole Ponzi scheme.

03:55:39.000 And my mother has about $500,000 saved up to my father with a professor when he passed away.

03:55:46.000 I understand.

03:55:47.000 And the brokers had put a large amount of it into BlackRock, which holds a lot of these collateralized mortgage obligations.

03:56:00.000 And I've been slowly getting her to get into the SLV and GLDs.

03:56:06.000 And so today she wanted to liquidate the BlackRock funds and put into SLVs.

03:56:16.000 And they refused to do it.

03:56:18.000 And my mother asked them, okay, are you...

03:56:23.000 Are you not willing to do it?

03:56:26.000 Or do you not want to do it?

03:56:28.000 And they responded, we're not going to do it.

03:56:31.000 So just lawlessly not giving people their money.

03:56:35.000 And this is happening more and more.

03:56:36.000 They're now starting to just take pensions, Randy.

03:56:39.000 Yes, and I expect this to get a whole lot worse.

03:56:42.000 It may well be that they don't have the money to give back to them.

03:56:45.000 If they've got it in bad investments, but this is not a place for me to comment on because this gets into investment.

03:56:51.000 Yeah, what's your bottom line, Pablo?

03:56:53.000 What are you saying?

03:56:55.000 Basically, they told her she was incompetent manager of her own money.

03:57:00.000 And I told her that this was a perfect example.

03:57:03.000 This was a good that this was a godsend that this happened, because in another situation where the market flashes down, another 20% followed by a following day, another flash down 20%.

03:57:14.000 Yeah, well, her company, I mean, you won't be able to get any of your money.

03:57:16.000 We're out of time, Pablo.

03:57:18.000 I appreciate your call.

03:57:19.000 I mean, right there, that's where you've got a contract.

03:57:22.000 We're supposed to give you the money.

03:57:23.000 You take that.

03:57:24.000 You walk down.

03:57:25.000 You bring it to the police.

03:57:26.000 They don't do something.

03:57:27.000 You file criminal charges.

03:57:28.000 Precisely.

03:57:29.000 I'd go straight to a grand jury.

03:57:31.000 That's primarily my strategy.

03:57:36.000 And by the way, we get hundreds of calls like this and emails every couple days, and then we see it in the news, where paid-for houses are being taken, pensions, stocks, it's just, they're just, the thieving is already, in fact, I've got a Before It's News article, insider stock sell-off, 3,177 to 1 sell-to-buy ratio, all the big elites are dumping their stocks right now.

03:58:01.000 I'm surprised it's taken them so long.

03:58:04.000 I told my brother, too, a year and a half ago, he didn't.

03:58:07.000 He lost almost everything.

03:58:09.000 Well, we're out of time, Randy.

03:58:11.000 It's mortgagecrimes.com.

03:58:12.000 People want to get in contact with you.

03:58:14.000 It's a work in progress.

03:58:15.000 I'll be back tomorrow live, 11 a.m.

03:58:17.000 to 2 p.m.

03:58:18.000 Central Standard Time.

03:58:19.000 We did an hour of overdrive today.

03:58:20.000 Great job of the crew.

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03:58:26.000 A lot of key info coming up straight ahead with the retransmission.

03:58:30.000 Spread the word about the broadcast.

03:58:31.000 We appreciate you all.

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03:58:34.000 God willing.

03:58:34.000 Take care.

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