Bin Laden is still alive? Is it a hoax? Or is it part of a government cover-up designed to keep us in the dark about what really happened to bin Laden? Alex Jones and his team are joined by General Hamid Gul, the former head of Pakistani intelligence, James Corbett of the Corbett Report, and Owen J. Stone, a technology commentator, to discuss the possibility that the truth is much darker than the official story.
00:00:01.000Ladies and gentlemen, we are we are live today.
00:00:27.000Thank you so much for joining us today.
00:00:30.000It, of course, is the third day of May, 2011, and we are going to be live here for at least the next three hours.
00:00:40.000Joining us yet again is General Hamid Gul, the former head of Pakistani intelligence, will be joining us coming up In about 35 minutes from now, we also have James Corbett of the Corbett Report joining us to give us his analysis of what's happening with the whole Bin Laden situation.
00:01:06.000And Owen JJ Stone, a technology commentator, is not buying the official narrative, so we're going to be talking with him as well today.
00:01:18.000Something interesting has happened in the last 48 hours since the Sunday evening pronouncement of the president.
00:01:28.000All over the world, people are not buying the official story.
00:01:33.000And Sunday night and Monday morning, you were laughed at by the mainstream dinosaur-dying, discredited, lying media, if you questioned it.
00:01:43.000And they acted like it was very kooky.
00:01:46.000And the Washington Post called me and said, this is like the Elvis.
00:01:50.000uh, death, people believing he's still alive.
00:01:53.000And I said, I'm not talking about Elvis and I'm not talking about him still being alive.
00:01:57.000I said, this is a government that's been caught lying over and over and over and over and over again and manufacturing evidence and engaging in duplicitous activities.
00:02:08.000So people would be crazy to out of hand, believe this.
00:02:55.000The evidence, the stink, the cut of the garment.
00:03:00.000As I said yesterday, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts is out today saying this reeks of a hoax.
00:03:05.000Cindy Sheehan is saying the same thing.
00:03:07.000Many government people are saying they don't buy this.
00:03:10.000And we're really seeing the geopolitical reasons for this shaping up.
00:03:14.000What they want to do domestically in the West with, oh no, The TSA is validated in sticking their hands down your pants.
00:03:21.000There's going to be more of this now, not less.
00:03:25.000And oh, if we go to Central Asia, oh my, the Pakistanis obviously knew bin Laden was there.
00:03:32.000And so the drone attacks need to start and the aid needs to be cut.
00:03:42.000And we might have to have war with these people.
00:03:45.000Funny, in the last month we've had all these guests on, experts, and it's come out in the news that the Saudis have run to Pakistan for their nuclear umbrella.
00:03:54.000They know they're being double-crossed by the West.
00:03:57.000The Saudis have cut oil production as a response to the fact that it's now on record that many of the Jihadists being stirred up and funded, are being funded out of the U.S.
00:04:06.000State Department and out of 10 Downing Street.
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00:07:47.000It is Tuesday, the third day of May 20th.
00:07:57.000We're going to be breaking down all of the different developments surrounding the May Day reported killing of the chief boogeyman, Osama bin Laden, and the fact that all over the global media and domestic media...
00:08:15.000A lot of people are questioning the dumping at sea, the fake photo they first released, and then later had to admit was fake when alternative media pointed out it was a Photoshop the media put out almost three years ago.
00:08:28.000We're going to be going over all of it today, but also what we're not looking at while we're busy, obsessed on President Obama kicking off his reelection campaign with this latest fairy tale.
00:09:03.000And if there's a terror attack, the American people won't be as worried about what's happening to the economy.
00:09:10.000And if you study this, the global architects that have worked for 90 plus years since 1913 to position the United States into total bankruptcy and receivership to kill our free market system.
00:09:26.000They really stand to gain from staged terror attacks.
00:09:30.000And on Sunday night and Monday morning, so many people were saying, oh my gosh, it's great.
00:09:34.000I can carry my shampoo with me on a trip.
00:09:38.000I don't have to go buy shampoo everywhere I fly, everywhere I go.
00:09:41.000I don't have to have the TSA stick their hands down my pants.
00:09:44.000I don't have to have them download what's on my laptop.
00:09:48.000I don't have to answer all their questions.
00:09:49.000And the media said, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:10:24.000government getting the underwear bomber on the plane for two years, protecting Major Hassan, knowing the attack was coming, a lockie commanding him.
00:11:59.000How many Operation Northwoods do we have to see?
00:12:01.000How many WikiLeaks releases of Army training manuals for Black Op Army Captains?
00:12:08.000Not all Army Captains specialized Black Op Army Captains on how to stage a false flag.
00:12:13.000They teach these Navy SEALs and Delta Force and Special Ops people how to do dirty tricks, how to stage events.
00:12:24.000Delta Force, even above the SEALs, where they take the best from the different military disciplines and put them into these fused groups.
00:12:33.000Delta Force, when they graduate, and this has been declassified, they had to cancel this part of the test because now it's known by people that are trying to get into the Delta Force.
00:12:46.000At the end of the month-long rigors and the psychological warfare they have to go under to make sure they can't be cracked easily, then they're given Machiavelli's The Prince and they have 12 hours to read it and then write an essay.
00:13:02.000And if they say the end justifies the means, and you've got to be evil to protect good, and torture is good, and lying is good, because at the end of the day, we're the good guys.
00:13:31.000And if they write the essay and say that they will be evil for good sake, that they will lie for good sake, that they will torture for good sake, that they will dissemble, that they will stage terror attacks, then they go, welcome to the Delta Force Squadron.
00:13:46.000Now, if they answer it wrong, they say, we're gonna have you in logistics.
00:13:50.000We're gonna send you to Fort Bragg and you're gonna basically push pencils all day.
00:13:58.000And when you read the writings of these retired CIA people like Kermit Roosevelt who staged Operation Ajax with staged terror attacks to overthrow the Iranian government in 53, that's declassified.
00:14:08.000When I've been at events and had CIA guys come over and get in my face and then later, you know, pass messages through people about, you don't live in the real world.
00:14:18.000You don't know how the world really works.
00:14:19.000You don't understand what we have to do.
00:14:21.000We have to be more evil than the other side.
00:14:23.000We have to take every system they might use and make it our own or somebody else bad will take control of it.
00:14:30.000We have to bring the drugs in or somebody else will and then they'll get the money and the power and then that evil group will overtake us.
00:14:39.000Oh, is that why you push worldwide to keep drugs illegal?
00:14:43.000No, if you didn't want Al-Qaeda, Taliban having the opium and making the money off of it, you would decriminalize it so that the price would plummet and then there'd be no business in it.
00:14:55.000But instead, you go in and boost production and control it, and then think we're so dumb now, because this stuff can't be hidden anymore, that they come out in the BBC.
00:15:04.000I told you a year before, I saw Geraldo Rivera with the Army, excuse me, Marine Corps Colonel, going, yeah, we help grow it, we give them the opium, we give them the fertilizer, and we help them protect it.
00:15:18.000I heard BBC with the same narrative about, well, if we don't grow it and help ship it out, Al-Qaeda and Taliban will get the money.
00:15:27.000And I almost ran off the road, not because I didn't know that, but because they were admitting it.
00:15:32.000And then I couldn't ever find it on the BBC website, the report.
00:15:35.000Well, then we did find, because listeners called, the YouTube a year later of Geraldo Rivera going, yeah, America, we grow the opium.
00:16:11.000That's like how Turner released the documents in federal court when he was threatening judges and people and state judges went ahead and prosecuted him.
00:16:18.000And the Fed to control the case went ahead and charged him as well and took it away from state court.
00:16:22.000And in there, he released the documents and the judge released it and it was national security memorandums.
00:16:27.000He was the highest level national intelligence FBI asset.
00:16:33.000Well, you could tell he was an FBI asset.
00:16:36.000He was there to talk about violence every night and get away with it and attack yours truly every day and try to hype up the army of white supremacists that work for the feds and don't even know it, most of them.
00:16:46.000And I've seen this over and over again.
00:16:58.000And so, you have all these declassified instances of where our government, supposed government, has staged events, staged massacres, blamed it on people, going back to Vietnam.
00:17:12.000The Quiet American is a fictional account, book and film, but it's based on real events that happened.
00:17:18.000You have the CIA in there, you know, in the late 50s, getting ready for the main war, trying to back up the French, and they're staging terror attacks in markets, blowing kids up to blame it on the communists.
00:17:28.000I mean, if you want to see it in a fictional way, that tends to wake people up better than reality because they can't deal with reality.
00:17:35.000Go watch that movie, The Quiet American.
00:17:37.000And then understand what we're dealing with and stop being naive.
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00:24:02.000late here in the broadcast chair because I just got the call back from Dr. Steve Pachenik, the number two guy under Henry Kissinger at the State Department who worked with bin Laden, who knows Osama bin Laden.
00:24:20.000and And he said, Alex, you're doing a very good job.
00:24:25.000Of course, we had him on in 2002 in April.
00:24:30.000He broke down that the intel that bin Laden was dead and was frozen on ice to be rolled out later.
00:24:35.000Now, I was then told by two other White House sources the exact same thing, and people couldn't believe it.
00:24:41.000Even though we had Pchenik on record, then suddenly Madeleine Albright, Walter Cronkite, Theresa Hines-Carrie, and scores of other top Democrats came out and said, Bush, we know you got him frozen.
00:24:50.000Don't stage his death and roll him out.
00:24:53.000So they pulled it off the table and waited with that ace card.
00:24:56.000And you notice Obama's got the same Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates.
00:25:05.000And so they've allowed Obama to play this card because geopolitically, Pakistan has teamed up with Saudi Arabia because Saudi Arabia realizes that they're being double-crossed right now.
00:25:17.000And that most of these Arab Spring activities have been stirred up by the West to try to destabilize the region so they have a pretext to expand the wars.
00:25:25.000And now it's been admitted, Libya, Egypt, all staged by the West.
00:25:28.000Doesn't mean there aren't folks that are angry at these dictators that are also going along with it.
00:25:32.000The point is the match was struck, the fire was lit by the globalists and that's now incontrovertible, absolute proof.
00:25:40.000So I just talked to Dr. Pachenek, who has not been on this show since April 2002, he got a lot of heat for it and even called me at the time and said, is there a way to pull that transcript and that audio down?
00:25:57.000I am getting excoriated at the CFR right now.
00:26:51.000I remember a news article, but can't remember the 10-year-old headline.
00:26:54.000He is like a battle-tested bloodhound.
00:27:00.000And he will ferret it out, we've got that report coming up, where it was in the news that British journalists went to see him and there was British Special Forces guarding him.
00:27:09.000Ooh, when we dig this out, you guys are in trouble.
00:27:13.000And so, they had him dead, the word is, within a month after 9-11.
00:27:19.000And all that stuff about he's in Tora Bora and the Delta Force had him in the sides but they wouldn't let him kill him.
00:27:23.000They were telling Delta Force, they were telling Army, they were telling the SEALs that.
00:27:27.000They were telling them that's him but then oh you can't get him.
00:27:30.000To even create the narrative that it was lawyers, you know, who wanted to be politically correct or something.
00:27:35.000And that oh they wanted to keep the myth of Bin Laden going.
00:28:15.000Now, I've got General Hamid Ghul on, and then I've got all these other guests.
00:28:20.000I've kind of had Jaron overbook the show under my orders, because I've got Ghul on for 30 minutes, then I've got Corbett, then I've got J.J.
00:29:10.000And there's a lot of other articles, the news, that's actually pointing out that all these officials did say he was dead, and that it was being covered up, and that he was going to be rolled out later.
00:29:20.000So, Brett Bart's going with the fact that it may be a cover-up.
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00:33:40.000And what concerns me more than anything is that our expert guests have broken down here on air.
00:33:49.000Webster Tarpley, investigative journalist Wayne Madsen, others.
00:33:53.000We've also seen this in the foreign news, that Pakistan was starting to make deals with Saudi Arabia, that Saudi Arabia knows it's being double-crossed by the West, and that there was going to be big movement in Pakistan.
00:34:05.000Pakistan said, get your drones out of the country.
00:34:07.000And then magically this happens, there's this raid, and now they're saying that Pakistan knew he was there for six years, as if Western intelligence wouldn't know that either, and they won't produce the body.
00:34:21.000This is a serious frame-up, it looks like, of Pakistan.
00:34:25.000moving towards serious confrontations.
00:34:28.000Lieutenant General Hamid Ghul, former head of Pakistani intelligence, really leading the attack on the Soviets in the 1980s, called a hero by our media at the time.
00:34:37.000He's been called now by some of our media the real leader of al-Qaeda, which he says is asinine.
00:34:43.000General Ghul, thank you so much for joining us, sir.
00:34:55.000Break down, now that we have some more time, to look at this propaganda move, where you stand and what you believe is happening geopolitically.
00:35:03.000Well, I think they are targeting Pakistan, and I think Patriots, as it was said by the New York Times, is now gearing up, is limbering up for launching his third offensive against Pakistan.
00:35:18.000So I think that is where Pakistan is being cornered now.
00:35:21.000A case is being built against Pakistan.
00:35:24.000And they are saying that ISI was harboring this great terrorist.
00:35:29.000But at the same time, if you look at it professionally, All the time the CIA, the political leadership of America and even all the European countries and their intelligence services were actually putting Pakistani intelligence on the wrong posse by saying that the high value targets were hiding in North Waziristan and that terrain which adjoins with Afghanistan.
00:35:57.000So they were pounding Pakistani civilians And poor, hapless villagers there, with their drone attacks, with the hell fires, and with their Reaper missiles.
00:36:09.000So, they have caused something like 2,500 casualties, when the man that they were hunting was actually hiding in one of the urban centers of Pakistan.
00:36:23.000I mean, it is not... It's very intelligent.
00:36:25.000okay, we accept their version, and we say that they are not craving up.
00:36:30.000And this is not something, although that is a very popular theory here in Pakistan.
00:36:36.000But if we were to believe every word of what they are saying, then they are more responsible for misguiding Pakistani intelligence, other intelligence agencies, because the CIA and FBI and MI6 had been given free hand in Pakistan to hunt down the because the CIA and FBI and MI6 had been given free hand in Pakistan to hunt And we had caught so many of them, from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed to Faraj al-Libi and all the others from the urban centers of Pakistan.
00:37:04.000So why were they not also responsible for this failure?
00:37:09.000Agreed that there have been intelligence failures in this intelligence craft.
00:37:14.000Failures are not something which is outlandish.
00:37:18.000But ISI, instead of being lauded for its good work, I think ISI has been scapegoated by the CIA and all the other bigwigs there in America.
00:37:32.000And they want to now build a case against Pakistan.
00:37:35.000Although Pakistan really is suffering so much because our sovereignty has been trampled over.
00:37:42.000These helicopters, they had spotted the blind areas in our radar coverage and they came in as if they were the enemies of Pakistan.
00:37:51.000Now it brings to light that the relationship with Pakistan, America's relationship, Was always one of animosity, not of friendship.
00:38:01.000And while we were being told that we are friends of America and we are doing everything possible for them, we lost something like 35,000 lives in this process.
00:38:12.000And we suffered a loss of 68 billion dollars in economic terms only.
00:38:19.000And everything else that went wrong with Pakistan, the revenge war and so on and so forth.
00:39:13.000If the American administration is reluctant to hold that probe themselves, Let the international community demand from them that we ignore the 9-11 thing because you said that this had happened to us and we didn't ask for the evidence.
00:39:30.000But now it's about time that we ask for the evidence.
00:39:34.000General Gould, you brought up a point that is absolutely central, obviously, here.
00:39:40.000The saber-rattling began against Pakistan recently, when Pakistan said, enough of the drones.
00:39:46.000I've interviewed Special Forces troops on air.
00:39:49.000We've had Colonel Schaefer on repeatedly.
00:39:54.000It's been admitted in the news that U.S.
00:39:56.000troops, CIA, Special Forces, given unfettered access everywhere in Pakistan for now, Many, many years.
00:40:05.000And the fact that they're blaming Pakistan and saying, you knew he was there for six years.
00:40:11.000You just threw the gauntlet right back down and said, you were all over this country.
00:40:15.000You've been directing the Pakistani army into regions to back you up, going into tribal areas, which of course, as you have pointed out, does stir up the population.
00:40:26.000And now they have us believe in the heart of your West Point, in the heart of much of your intelligence system, He was there.
00:40:34.000So, if he was there, basically what you're saying, correct me if I'm wrong, 100% six years, the US, British, Israelis, they knew as well.
00:40:46.000That's indeed, because I think they have to share the responsibility.
00:40:49.000They can't shrug it off, because they were the superior partner in this war against terrorism, and they had more resources, far, far, far more resources than ISI ever possessed.
00:41:00.000So, you were responsible, equally responsible, and besides, you were all the time focusing the ISI, directing them towards the Northwest Frontier Province.
00:42:09.000I saw on press TV last night the Iranian government is saying they have intel that Al-Qaeda, back from when Al-Qaeda was the good guys in the 80s, was going to leak the fact that U.S.
00:42:23.000intelligence was basically puppeteering terrorists to then blame it on Mujahideen and it came out last week in Sky Television that the number one Al-Qaeda operative inside Pakistan carrying out attacks on the Pakistani military, and this is confirmed, was MI6.
00:42:41.000It's also been confirmed even Loftus, former head of counterterrorism with the FBI, Mr. Loftus, John Loftus, he came out on Fox and said that a SWAT ran the 7-7 bombings in London.
00:42:53.000He is MI6 and has an MI6 security clearance to travel wherever he wishes, while he's on the news as the head terrorist.
00:43:00.000Amrullah Alawaki, trained in the U.S., born in the U.S., Fox News reports, does dine secretly at the Pentagon and get orders.
00:43:10.000As the former head of Pakistani intelligence, someone with connections, I know you don't like to speculate, but looking at the evidence we have, Bottom line, there is this group they call Al-Qaeda that are really double-triple agents, carrying out events to then be framed on Iraq, on Libya, on Pakistan, on Iran, a cookie cutter, whoever they want to attack.
00:43:33.000Is that a correct assessment in my analysis, or can you add to that, General Gould?
00:43:44.000They are out to conquer the world at the cost of the American people, their comfort, their lives, their blood, at the cost of their hard-earned dollars.
00:44:51.000And this is my fear is that they have spotted the area from where they can infiltrate and they can come and pick up our nuclear assets or do whatever they want.
00:45:02.000Because they have such liberty of movement here, unfortunately, because of President Musharraf, who was a dictator, and they supported him to the hilt, and he framed such policies which are being now followed by the present regime, which called itself democratic, but it is not democratic, because it is the product of the NRO, the National Recruitment Order, which was actually stage-managed by Condoleezza Rice,
00:45:29.000And it was signed between David Willibrand of the UK and Richard Boucher from the American side and of course President Zardari from this side and Benazir at that time.
00:45:41.000But Benazir became a little violent and she started reacting so she had to be removed by them.
00:45:47.000If you remember, John Negroponte came here and he wanted to talk to her that she was becoming rebellious and she refused to meet him.
00:46:13.000It's now been confirmed he was trying to get uranium to some of their cut-out al-Qaeda patsies to claim that your nuclear weapons program is leaking.
00:46:25.000Clearly, They now are moving to go into Pakistan.
00:46:30.000Will they try coups to bring in a soft coup?
00:46:34.000Or according to my military sources, they are preparing commando style attacks, bombardments, going in, getting the nukes, and then starting a larger attack and then having India attack.
00:46:49.000But the word is China's not going to put up with this.
00:46:51.000I mean, we're talking about World War III.
00:46:53.000General, please give us the possible scenarios and the time frame on this.
00:46:58.000Well, I think it was McChrystal's idea, and he, in a briefing to the President, he had said that all he needs is a couple of helicopters, and some commandos, and an abseiling rope, and then he can go and pluck out anything that you have.
00:47:16.000And I mean, he said, I'll require a packing of three helicopters, and they can take out Pakistan's, all the nuclear triggers.
00:47:25.000But then they thought the better of it, because Pakistan's nuclear assets are dispersed.
00:47:29.000And if you touch Pakistan's nuclear assets, a lot of countries in the region who are very dear to America may be in trouble.
00:47:36.000Besides that, I think right behind our back, China, who is a very reliable friend, Pakistan will be left with no option but to lean upon China.
00:47:45.000And that could, as you are very rightly pointing out, that could start a third world war.
00:47:51.000I don't know what, why are they trying to play with fire?
00:47:54.000Because it will ignite an inferno which will consume the entire region.
00:48:00.000They're completely power-mad, sir, and they've been setting up a secret police grid, a demonization grid of real American patriots that just want to be a good country, with a Bill of Rights and Constitution, who don't want to be an empire.
00:48:11.000But we have this wicked group that has seized us, and it just gives me chills.
00:48:16.000for my family and my future, that the Rand Corporation and others have said they want to start a third world war to try to establish this world government.
00:48:25.000You notice this is all happening as the dollar begins to die.
00:48:28.000They actually plan to kill the dollar in this process, betray America after we're the bad guy attacking you and others, and then Europe comes out with its new global currency.
00:50:17.000Because we are investing so much money in you and this is what you have done to us.
00:50:21.000So I think very soon there is going to be a policy shift as far as Pakistan is concerned because pressure is mounting on the regime, on the government.
00:50:30.000And they will have to simply say, if you were to ask me, that you have done now your job.
00:50:35.000If you think that this was the target that you were looking for and you ravaged the whole world because of this, Now you've got him, so please finish us, leave us alone, and Yankee, please go home.
00:50:54.000135 billion dollars a year, for heaven's sake.
00:50:58.000Taxpayers' money being squandered in Afghanistan on a war which has already been lost.
00:51:03.000General, we've only got a few minutes left with you, and we appreciate your time.
00:51:07.000General Hamid Gul joins us, former head of Pakistani intelligence.
00:51:11.000Unfortunately, I want to have to relay to you and the rest of the world that I'm monitoring liberal, conservative, mainline radio and TV, and I want to give you the bad news that they are in just a matter of hours.
00:51:23.000First, it was cut the couple billion you're given that, as you point out, you spend way, you know, many times more trying to carry out the globalist dictates there in the region.
00:51:36.000So our media is acting like you're our welfare recipients and that the money is a blessing instead of a curse given to you by these devilish globalists.
00:51:47.000But now the drum is beginning that you need to be struck, that you are Al Qaeda, that you run Bin Laden, and that you love the destabilization of all these people brought in, And they are, I want to confirm, you need to know, they are trying to get the American people ready to attack you.
00:52:08.000And what would you like to say to the American people about the propaganda they're hearing?
00:52:15.000This is fixing Pakistan, who has been a long time your friend.
00:52:18.000You are the sole superpower today because of Pakistan and because of the blood of the Afghan people, whom you have, with impunity and with great callousness, you have destroyed them.
00:52:46.000I can assure you I'm a professional man.
00:52:48.000I've spent 36 years in the Army and since then also I've been studying and reading and I've been thinking about things.
00:52:55.000I can assure you your generals are wrong.
00:52:58.000They have got Obama beleaguered, or he has fallen into their trap, and this is going to be a disaster for everybody.
00:53:06.000General, in closing, the average American from New York, when they come to Texas, they think that we don't even really have houses, and that we live outdoors and ride horses when we're heavily industrialized, like any other western area.
00:53:19.000Also, many Americans believe that Pakistan is in the Middle East.
00:53:58.000And I tell you, we'll stand and fight, I can assure you this.
00:54:01.000And this is a very large nation, it's 180 million people.
00:54:05.000We are nuclear, and we are the fifth nuclear power which has been described by none other than the American media.
00:54:12.000And we are ideological, we are self-sufficient in food, and we have China at our back, and we have the Muslim world sentiment supporting us.
00:54:23.000I can assure you it's going to be a very difficult proposition.
00:56:12.000Folks, you look at those college students that showed up when the government put that Twitter out to create that false flash mob out there.
01:00:29.000Hour of overdrive today because I want to be able to take your phone calls.
01:00:33.000Many stations do carry our fourth hour.
01:00:35.000For many years I did a fourth hour but now I'm developing this new TV show that's very close to launching and I need that time to get preparation for it every day and do the TV show.
01:00:46.000My own private model that it's taken us three years to get to this point.
01:00:49.000That's what Glenn Beck's now doing, going with his own TV system.
01:00:52.000But we're doing it from the grassroots.
01:00:54.000But a lot of days I do do the fourth hour and I'm pulling the trigger on that right now so that we can take your phone calls.
01:01:01.000It will be nothing But phone calls in the fourth hour today, and I will attempt to actually just take one call after the other.
01:01:10.000Also, later in the broadcast, we'll get into the unbelievable financial developments.
01:01:15.000I'm going to mention some of those in a moment.
01:01:17.000We've got James Corbett, a Corbett report coming on from Japan, because I want to get his take as a teacher, a scholar, a TV Researcher who studies media and propaganda.
01:02:36.000But I've got to, even though World War III is hurtling towards us, In a way, I was thinking about canceling, and if stuff continues to blow up or they attack Pakistan, I think it'll take a few weeks of hyping at first, or even months.
01:02:51.000Or they could stage a terror attack any time.
01:02:55.000All these pieces, the things I see them getting ready for, this signifies big moves.
01:03:00.000And you notice the financial stuff's going on in the background.
01:03:02.000How many years did we say, when they get ready to finally hammer the dollar, and when it starts plunging, get ready for war.
01:03:08.000And I read Rand Corporation documents on Aaron.
01:03:37.000Dr. Paul Greg Robertson, because you heard them in the last two weeks before all this started saying, get ready for war, get ready for some pretext, get ready for something.
01:03:44.000And this is a false flag to say Pakistan's involved with Al Qaeda, which of course they are, so is our government.
01:03:51.000You heard Gould earlier, he goes, your government's commanding our forces.
01:04:09.000Probably had the frozen body in there.
01:04:10.000Now they're admitting he didn't resist.
01:04:14.000Going off how the Russians have done it, how the CIA's been caught, the British would do these things with fake German officers.
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01:07:50.000Well, we just had the former head of Pakistani intelligence who ran the Mujahideen under Ronald Reagan, who Ghul liked and admired and who Reagan commended, on saying that 9-11 is an inside job stage, that CIA is commanding their forces against the Taliban and Al Qaeda in Pakistan.
01:08:13.000They've lost 30,000 troops in this fracas.
01:08:17.000And that here it is in the middle of a major defense complex with their West Point right down the street.
01:08:24.000And that he was supposedly there six years and nobody noticed a six foot four guy including US intelligence and US troops that are crawling all over Pakistan.
01:10:16.000Uh, to, uh, of course, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Secretary of State, CFR, who first broke to the world that Bin Laden was frozen on ice and was going to be rolled out expediently later than two White House sources told me.
01:12:47.000I wanted to get James Corbett on, not only because I saw excellent analysis he was putting out, and the nine other times, you know, he's been killed, or the eight other, now making this nine, but also he's in Japan, and he can report on the rising radiation levels there.
01:13:00.000James Corbett is edited and webmastered The Corbett Report.
01:13:04.000He also has a new book coming out, Reportage, Essays on the New World Order, CorbettReport.com, and he joins us from Japan.
01:13:15.000Give us your breakdown on this Jerry Bruckheimer scripted situation.
01:13:21.000Well thank you for having me on today and every bit of that dread that you were talking about earlier that you feel is what I'm feeling right now and that's why I was up until 3 or 4 in the morning last night as well and I'm up at it again tonight because I absolutely see the shift that's going on here and I think what we've seen is really they're discarding the trump card in the war on terror because that trump card is no longer
01:13:44.000Useable and so they've they've jettisoned their old CIA asset who wasn't really working as their boogeyman anymore and they're taking this game to a completely different level and I I can't help but think that that means that there is some tectonic shifts coming up and I've been talking for some time now I talked about on your program a couple of months ago about
01:14:02.000How this really represents the beginning, pre-stages of a lead up to World War 3 and a confrontation in the long run with China and I think this is another part on that road and I think obviously they're setting up Pakistan for some
01:14:18.000Major military action in the very near future and we know that just six days before they rolled out this corpse to tell us that Osama is dead, we know that just six days before the WikiLeaks false flag operation released those documents from Guantanamo which said that of course they've got nukes planted all over They're all over Europe and they're going to unleash them if Osama ever dies.
01:14:41.000So I don't take that as a threat from the shadowy mythical al-Qaeda terrorist organization.
01:14:46.000I take that as a threat from the real terrorists who are, of course, puppeteering those patsies and stooges.
01:14:51.000Now, when I mentioned Jerry Bruckheimer for folks that doubt this, with the private Jessica Lynch story, if we remember, at the time I watched the video and I said, this is all scripted.
01:15:03.000And then I looked at maps of where U.S. forces were.
01:15:06.000They had controlled that area for at least three days when Jessica Lynch was, quote, rescued.
01:15:13.000And they kicked in doors, beat people up.
01:15:16.000She was hiding under the hospital bed when they got there.
01:15:22.000We're now going to tell you, and Jerry Bruckheimer and I at the BBC reported it, had written the story that the men wouldn't fight, but she climbed up with a .50 cal on the top and killed dozens of them.
01:15:33.000And people are like, man, this is good for women in the military.
01:15:35.000And it turned out it wasn't Army PSYOP to sell women in the military.
01:15:40.000She hid in the back of the vehicle, cowering.
01:16:21.000Because they didn't want that story coming out that this was all a black op.
01:16:24.000We've got, of course, don't forget, the NFL player.
01:16:29.000Who went over there and he wrote letters home Pat Tillman's and saying this is all made up I'm gonna come back and expose it you know the drug dealing all of it this war is fake and they just said look you were a big recruiting tool you die and they shot him a bunch people black ops in his unit they walked up on him the army coroners went public with this he obviously was begging and they just triple-tapped right in the head you're gonna go tell people about the drugs die
01:17:00.000So, the point is, Bruckheimer scripted the whole private lynch thing.
01:17:23.000And you bring out some good points earlier about the PSYOP that they staged with the phony flash mob with those poor fluoride-addled college kids.
01:17:31.000And I think a lot of people that I've talked to have said, well, wow, that looks exactly like what they were showing on 9-11 with the Arabs partying in the streets.
01:17:39.000I think that to me is part of this media psyop because it seems like it's designed to give that reaction so that they're in a way showing the Americans are exactly what they were fighting against and I think that's again part of this whole psyop that's going on right now.
01:17:56.000When we come back, I want to get your rundown of what's fishy in the story, in the photos, with Bin Laden supposedly being dead, and the larger geopolitical ramifications.
01:18:09.000But in the minute and a half before break, I saw you and RT really rattle off a cornucopia of the history and why you question this.
01:18:18.000Right, well, because as I pointed out in my article yesterday and you put up on your site, they have now announced Osama's death on about eight or nine different occasions now that I've been able to count, and that was just a quick count, but going back to President Musharraf and the Afghan Taliban and the FBI counter-terror chief Dale Watson,
01:18:38.000And the current president of Pakistan, Benazir Bhutto, again and again, over and over for the past nine years, they've talked about, oh, he's probably dead, he's gone, we got word he died in the Pakistan earthquake in 2005, etc., etc.
01:18:52.000So I don't see any reason to take this one any more seriously until they release something resembling evidence that Osama bin Laden actually died.
01:19:01.000I think to a certain extent that's a distraction because the real issue here is the geopolitical moves that they're going to be making based on this orchestrated PSYOP.
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01:24:24.000Some news on what's happening with the radiation stricken Japan and the clouds settling in over the U.S.
01:24:32.000Alright, well on the geopolitical note, I think it's extremely important to understand that Pakistan is being set up here and the fact that Osama Bin Laden was supposedly found just down the street from the Pakistan Military Academy, that is not by accident.
01:24:46.000There's clearly an attempt to To coordinate something that will look very much, will implicate the Pakistani military establishment in this.
01:24:55.000So in order to justify the further incursion into Pakistan.
01:24:58.000And we know that of course the drones have been dropping bombs on Pakistan for some time now.
01:25:02.000So that's not necessarily a market shift in strategy.
01:25:06.000It's just sort of like the Gulf of Tonkin sort of made the Vietnam War into an official war instead of what it was before.
01:25:13.000So, in the exact same way, they're just going to try to up the ante here and escalate what's already going on.
01:25:20.000But this is a very disturbing move because, of course, we see Pakistan and China with their close alliance that may even become closer, of course, if they're threatened by U.S.
01:25:31.000So there's a very, very volatile situation developing here, and this only plays even further into what's already sweeping through.
01:25:38.000Through the Middle East, of course, and with Syria looking up until this point at any rate like it was the next in the crosshairs.
01:25:44.000Maybe there's been a bit of a change now, but all of this is very disturbing.
01:25:48.000And, of course, it's all predicated on the mythical phony war on terror with the phony boogeyman Al-Qaeda, which is okay in Libya, but is the enemy in Afghanistan apparently.
01:26:00.000Well, they always launch new wars with a big hyped PR event.
01:26:05.000You can see all the scripting, not just all the lies they've been caught in.
01:26:09.000And notice in the last few months, we've told folks, Pakistan's next, Pakistan's next.
01:26:22.000World War III, a hot war, folks, is right now on the table.
01:26:27.000The globalists are seriously considering it.
01:26:30.000We go back to 2007, Admiral Fox Fallon, the head of CENTCOM, was ordered to launch the attack on Iran, that later came out, and he said no, gave an interview and then resigned.
01:26:42.000Then Cheney tried to stage the attacks on the ships, that even came out in New Yorker Magazine, with Iranian ships, US ships painted up like Iranians, but that didn't work.
01:26:52.000I mean, we are on the razor's edge right now, James, this is real.
01:26:56.000This is incredibly real and all of the different aspects of the way that this Osama Bin Laden PSYOP plays into their hands is mind-boggling.
01:27:05.000I mean, not only the fact we're coming up on the 10th anniversary of 9-11, thereby completely undercutting all of the momentum that was going into that for relaunching an investigation into 9-11, all of that undermined as now the official story gets to Tied up in a nice pink little bow with everybody cheering and waving the American flag.
01:27:24.000And it also plays into the ongoing war.
01:27:28.000It plays into the distraction from the economy, which I think is a point that Rand Paul was making earlier on, Judge Napolitano.
01:27:36.000It plays into their hands in so many different ways.
01:27:38.000And of course, then it just helps to discard one of their old boogeymen that wasn't really doing what they wanted.
01:27:43.000But personally, I think World War III Well, that's right, James.
01:27:48.000will not get started without some sort of nuclear false flag.
01:27:51.000And that's what I'm worried about right now, especially given that they were just five days ago releasing these leaked documents that supposedly indicate they have hundreds of nukes buried all over Europe or whatever they're trying to do.
01:28:41.000It is unspeakable and unfortunately I can only see things escalating from here.
01:28:46.000I don't know if there's a way for them to back out of this at this point because they're going on this momentum right now and we are seeing such incredible movements geopolitically right now that I think to a certain extent this is also a diversionary tactic because we know that the economy is collapsing and they need a boogeyman to blame it on and they're going to use this.
01:29:09.000Let's finish up with more of the anomalies.
01:29:11.000And then the clear scripting of all this and all the things they now have had to admit weren't true even inside their official fable.
01:29:20.000And then let's talk a little bit about Fukushima.
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01:32:52.000A few more minutes with James Corbett.
01:33:00.000Stone, who's been a guest here with us before, technology writer and researcher, is going to be popping in via video Skype to give us his take on all this.
01:33:10.000And then we have Steve Puchenik, former deputy State Department
01:33:18.000Deputy Secretary of the State Department under Henry Kissinger, he's going to be joining us because he reportedly worked with Bin Laden and the Mujahideen for many years and he was the first person to go public from a high-level position in 2002 and said that Bin Laden was dead and frozen on ice to be rolled out at an expedient political time.
01:33:42.000Then they got picked up by Madeleine Albright, many others went public with it.
01:33:59.000Finishing up, Mr. Corbett, with any other points about this World War III scenario that we're being maneuvered into, right as the world government is announced, right as the dollar is being destroyed, right as the stock market is plunging, gold and silver up, Treasury to take steps to stay below debt ceiling, That's CNBC.
01:34:42.000But we also have 500 times I want to point out for your listeners and viewers right now that you're so right about all the storm clouds that we can see coming off on the horizon while people are busy partying and we're trying to get ready for it but I want to concur with something you said earlier.
01:35:01.000You made an exceptionally important point about how people are not falling for this PSYOP.
01:35:05.000And I've seen that going on online right now as well.
01:35:08.000I've had over 50,000 views of my Good Morning America Learns Bin Laden is CIA video in the last 24 hours.
01:35:15.000And the vast majority of the comments on there are people saying this is ridiculous.
01:35:24.000There are so many people out there right now who are questioning this and people who even Would normally fall for this type of stuff are not falling for it right now.
01:35:31.000So people really need to get out there and start stressing and pointing out the Al Qaeda myth and all of the various parts of that because I think people are very receptive to it at this moment and this is the moment where we can inoculate people with truth so that they can be armed with truth for when they try to stage whatever type of false flag or whatever type of precipitating event they're going to try to stage.
01:35:51.000The system is going after the lowest common denominator.
01:35:55.000I went and saw a month ago the battle for LA about space aliens invading and it's the worst movie I've ever seen.
01:36:03.000But it was done over-the-top, sicky, sappy, unadmitted Marine Corps ad.
01:36:09.000And it's not that I'm against the Marine Corps, folks.
01:36:10.000It was a recruiting ad for kids, with a little kid crying, saying, I'm your little Marine.
01:36:43.000Two very important stories came out last week that kind of flew under the radar as the Fukushima situation gets swept under the rug, but two very important points.
01:36:52.000One of the radiation advisors to the Prime Minister, a professor at a university here, resigned in disgust with the government, saying that they're politicizing what's going on here and they're just tinkering with maximum allowable radiation levels and things like that for political purposes.
01:37:08.000So that was a very important point that's extremely unusual for advisors to the Prime Minister to just resign out of the blue like that here in Japan.
01:37:15.000And then another story about the Japanese Meteorological Agency coming under fire because they're doing these detailed fallout, radiation fallout prediction, predicting the path of the fallout and where it's going to go.
01:37:27.000But they're not releasing it to the public and they're coming under fire for this.
01:37:29.000But basically they're saying, oh, the ignorant and uneducated public just wouldn't be able to handle it because they'd panic over this.
01:37:37.000By the way, the top radiation advisor to the government quit and said levels are much higher than you've said.
01:37:44.000You didn't even evacuate schools 12 miles away while the Koreans are wearing masks and not even going out in the last month.
01:37:52.000We see the stoic Japanese facade slipping a little bit because some of the parents of those people in that area are starting to get angry and telling the government we don't want our kids playing in these radioactive sandboxes out there.
01:38:03.000Yes, and on top of it, you notice you've got Japanese top people coming out and saying they're covering up radiation levels.
01:38:10.000They admit 500 times safe levels of different isotopes found in milk and food all over the U.S.
01:38:15.000because more and more keeps belching out and they say it may be melting down for years now and then building up as it hits us.
01:38:21.000And our government just raises the radiation level.
01:38:25.000Thousands of times what it previously was, and says everything's fine, and there's not even a discussion of it here!
01:38:32.000It is incredible, and Alex, you're familiar with the video of that mayor of Minamisoma who went on YouTube and said the government's not telling us anything and they're not helping us out?
01:39:12.000Alright, we're gonna get connected with Owen J.J.
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01:42:50.000Coming up is Dr. Pchenik, Dr. Steve Pchenik served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Soltz, and James Baker.
01:43:04.000George Soltz and James Baker are even above Kissinger.
01:43:06.000Dr. Pchenik continues to consult the Department of Defense Council on Foreign Relations Fellowship Where he was recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger, Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management.
01:43:16.000I'm not going to go over his whole bio.
01:43:18.000He's the first person to come out and say that Bin Laden was frozen and dead.
01:44:45.000And as soon as the president got done talking, I turned off my television and I just watched the stream on Twitter and Facebook of people talking about what CNN was saying, Fox was already making mistakes and stumbling on themselves, and I just was like, and that's exactly why I turned off mainstream media.
01:44:59.000And, you know, it's all fun and games to say, oh, the guy's dead, but the way that people reacted, I mean, people ran to ground zero.
01:45:38.000And you know, after Sunday night of having fun with it, it's just like, well, there goes the talk on the economy, there goes the talk on education, let's ramp up more talk on war, and we're obviously not going to cut that out of the budget.
01:45:50.000So my mind blew, and listening to your show today, you know, the thing is, it doesn't even matter if the guy's dead or not, because of all the other stuff that they're going to do, in spite of whether he's dead or not.
01:48:06.000You and I just talked about Japan last month and you were right on the fact that they were covering up stuff and lying the day after I was on your show.
01:48:13.000They had to come out and retract a lot of things and pull things back.
01:48:16.000So people should know they can't trust governments.
01:48:34.000where they said she was this big commando woman and killed all these Iraqis and it turned out she cowered and it wasn't true and when the survivors said it wasn't true they were all killed.
01:48:44.000I mean folks looked that up and then she went public and said it's true I was hiding under the thing and they had Jerry Bruckheimer, a script saving her from the hospital when the Iraqis had pulled out three days before.
01:48:56.000And the Iraqi doctors had contacted the Americans saying, you know, come get her.
01:49:00.000And so they scripted a whole Hollywood thing saving her.
01:49:34.000And if they weren't relentless, that story would have been covered up.
01:49:37.000And as far as this female officer, my daughter's never going into the military, because as much as they want to talk about that, they never talk about how many women are sexually harassed and or raped.
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01:54:04.000I tend to get overheated here on air with all the facts, all the info, all the research.
01:54:10.000I I mean, I've interviewed the heads of the embassies, I've interviewed Sybil Edmonds, the FBI translator that heard the CIA commanding al-Qaeda for months before 9-11, running white slavery, that's sex slaves, running drugs, running weapons.
01:54:28.000Running in communication with someone calling himself Osama Bin Laden.
01:54:46.000People are like, well why are you saying you don't believe the official story?
01:54:48.000Why are you believing anything that comes out of their mouths?
01:54:51.000This is the government that stole tens of trillions of your tax money and gave it to foreign banks and wouldn't let you know where it went and wouldn't tell Congress and finally lawsuits got filed by private interest and they found out about 5% of it or a little less and it was almost a trillion bucks?
01:55:08.000Much of it to MSNBC secretly and others?
01:55:12.000We got a crew of gangsters running things!
01:55:16.000And now they're trying to frame Pakistan!
01:55:18.000Going back to the O-Doctor, and that's Owen J.J.
01:55:22.000Stone, going through more of these points, we're now seeing literally hundreds of articles with the media pointing out that a lot of people aren't buying this.
01:55:31.000It's funny, the Tea Party folks and some of the Republicans aren't buying it because they don't like Obama and they see it as a political score for him, but those that are sophisticated know Obama, Bush, they come and go.
01:55:57.000So they, you know, white slavery, trade slavery, slavery in general, because you're stuck at the bottom and you can't do anything without money.
01:56:29.000I don't really know, you know, what he gets done.
01:56:32.000If you just watch the fact that you have to sit there and listen to somebody like Donald Trump, then he goes and pulls out his birth certificate.
01:56:40.000Then he makes fun of Donald Trump on Saturday, all night long in this congression.
01:56:43.000Then Sunday night he drops his bin Laden bomb.
01:56:45.000I'm like, if that's not a PR reel, if that's not you sat down with a PR agent and they said, okay, we're going to hit him with a softball, a medium ball, and we're going to bring it home with this.
01:56:53.000And then Monday, and then Monday with all cameras on you, you'll present posthumous Medal of Honor and they'll talk, I mean it's all, exactly.
01:57:01.000You're a media guy, you can see the scripting.
01:57:04.000Jerry Bruckheimer scripted Saving Private Lynch, and it turned out it was all fake, and then people were murdered!
01:57:13.000US Army was murdered who said it was a lie!
01:57:24.000And anybody who has any watched any kind of sitcom or TV show, you know you ramp them up with something light, and then you hit them with something in the middle, and then you bring it home at the end of the show.
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01:59:22.000As well, we are always ready to answer any questions you may have.
02:00:09.000If you just joined us, you want inside intel somebody that knows Osama Bin Laden, who was the head deputy under Henry Kissinger at the State Department, and others?
02:00:18.000You're about to get it, ladies and gentlemen.
02:00:21.000He's got a lot of courage coming on our show, and knowing that we were going to get him on today, I was driving a little safer, watching my back.
02:00:29.000Let me tell you, the system is not going to like what you're about to hear.
02:01:41.000And remember the first photo they put out was a Photoshop and folks didn't and all these newspapers had it posted as a real photo of the dead bin Laden and then they just kind of said oh that was fake too and now they say oh yeah he didn't fight back and he didn't throw his wife in front of him and That's a trick liars do.
02:02:00.000They're like, oh, my general story's true.
02:02:02.000We did kill bin Laden, but there were a few things we got wrong.
02:02:05.000You're like, oh, well, you told me the truth on that.
02:02:06.000It's kind of like when I go to the cookie jar, an entire bag of cookies have been stolen.
02:02:11.000And I go to my son and my daughters, and I call them before me, and I say, who stole the cookies?
02:02:16.000And they'll sit there and go, uh, well I only ate one, I mean 20, I mean, I'm sorry.
02:02:23.000The best thing about things like pictures and videos anymore, they're programs that techies run, that they can scan and see if it's been photoshopped.
02:02:31.000So, I mean, the mainstream media should know this.
02:02:34.000There are people out there that are highly skilled, way more skilled than them, and working independently, that fact check these things.
02:02:42.000I mean, literally, there's a program that runs that'll tell you if a picture's been photoshopped or not.
02:02:47.000But instead, they still put it out there because mainstream people don't get it.
02:03:20.000Do you know what happened just down the road from me?
02:03:22.000I've been to the hotel and the bar in San Antonio.
02:03:24.000It's across the street from the Alamo, where the Rough Riders, Teddy Roosevelt, William Randolph Hearst, and others got the order to go start a war in Cuba as the pretext to start the war with the Spanish.
02:03:36.000Then, of course, they blew up this battleship Maine as a pretext, as a false flag, to attack all the Spanish possessions in the Pacific, Philippines, you name it.
02:03:45.000But William Randolph Hearst told all of his illustrators with his newspapers, he said, you provide the paintings, the images, I'll provide the war.
02:03:54.000And they ran fake, they were even able to do this then, illustrations and even doctored photos in newspapers nationwide that they were engaged in atrocities in Cuba, the Spanish.
02:04:06.000And later they admitted it was all fake.
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02:07:58.000In early 2002, I was put in touch with Dr. Steve Pachinik.
02:08:06.000And I'll give you his bio, very prestigious here in a moment.
02:08:10.000Working under the biggest kingmakers in modern U.S.
02:08:12.000history, the trifecta, James Baker, George Shultz, Henry Kissinger, and Cyrus Vance.
02:08:19.000But the big three from all of our sources, George Shultz, James Baker, way above even Kissinger.
02:08:24.000That's why you don't even see them out there.
02:08:27.000And these are the guys that go right to the elite of the world and are their imperial legates, the people that speak for them, that make the deals with China, with Russia.
02:09:13.000Now then about a year later at an event I had a well-known Republican, part of the Bush administration.
02:09:21.000I mean well-known enough that I knew who they were.
02:09:24.000call me aside at an event and say, listen, this is off record, because I was already known then as being somebody who can keep secrets if it's off record as a journalist.
02:09:32.000The more secrets you keep, the more secrets you get.
02:10:11.000So two sources that I actually talked to, one on air, one privately, and then the other through someone I know for decades who was told the same information.
02:10:20.000And they said, this isn't a rumor, right?
02:10:24.000The intel was, it was a cover story of the kidney stuff.
02:10:27.000He reportedly was sick from that, that he They went ahead and got rid of him because he was putting those letters out saying, I didn't do it.
02:10:32.000They wanted to take his identity and have him say he did.
02:10:35.000But Dr. Pichinik can correct me if I'm wrong.
02:10:38.000And that they did send in special forces.
02:10:55.000But a year after I talked to him, these other sources told me the same thing.
02:11:00.000And then about six months later, Madeleine Albright went on Fox News.
02:11:02.000We have links to all those articles and videos.
02:11:05.000In our article, Inside Sources, Bin Laden's corpse has been on ice for nearly a decade.
02:11:10.000That has all the bibliography there for you.
02:11:12.000And I'm just prefacing this before we go to Dr. Petranek, because it's so important and a lot of folks are tuning in and watching right now.
02:11:49.000All sorts of dirty tricks when I was pushing this.
02:11:51.000And then it receded into history for another six, seven years.
02:11:55.000And now it's back, exactly the script we were told.
02:11:58.000So if you're a new listener, or if you're the Washington Post, or the New York Times, or New York Magazine, or LA Times attacking me over this, actually a few of the articles are actually pretty fair, but some of them are ridiculous, like the New York Magazine.
02:12:34.000And then they released video of her being machine gunned by the assassin.
02:12:38.000And the word from Hamid Gul and others, former head of Pakistani intelligence, is the White House pulled the trigger on her.
02:12:44.000Um, now our guests start telling us, and our experts are telling us, there's going to be a move against Pakistan the last month.
02:12:50.000Then they catch this CIA operative, CNN reports, with the uranium, trying to get it to Mujahideen, to then blame it on the regular army of Pakistan to build the case to snatch their nukes, which will bring China in, folks.
02:13:08.000You have all these other world leaders that have said this.
02:13:10.000Now, I'm going to try to now give the floor to our guest, Dr. Steve Pucinich, serve as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Shultz, talk about knowing where the bodies are buried, and James Baker.
02:13:28.000Uh, Dr. Pachenek continues to consult the Department of Defense.
02:13:31.000He received a Council on Foreign Relations Fellowship, where he was recruited by Lawrence Edelberger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State for Management.
02:13:39.000In the position he was, he created the Office of Combat Terrorism, the family liaison.
02:13:49.000Dr. Pachinik is the author and creator of 26 New York Times bestsellers.
02:13:53.000His experiences in government, international crisis management, uh, were the basis of Tom Clancy's characters Jack, Ryan, and Richard Clark.
02:14:36.000I think very much of what you said is very accurate.
02:14:39.000I will correct some of the issues that I think we've talked about, but I want to thank your audience for listening.
02:14:44.000I want to say how important Alex Jones was after 9-11, when I knew very well at that time that the American public was being deceived and was being treated as if we were fools, stupid, ignorant, and cheats.
02:14:59.000I had hoped at that time, once I was on the Alex Jones Show, and I broke ranks with my people at the Council on Foreign Relations, I'm a member also of the Association of Foreign Intelligence Officers, the National Military Intelligence Association, And I volunteer repeatedly.
02:15:17.000I volunteer to still work with our military because number one, I respect our military.
02:15:22.000Number two, we have sent men and women to wars which have not been clearly defined by civilians who have never been in war, including Clinton, including Bush Jr., in particular, who precipitated the wars into Iraq and Afghanistan, and now Obama.
02:15:41.000And I had hoped by that time in the past that we would have stopped fooling the American public and stopped Creating an incursion into our own country, killing our own people, 9-11, has still not been fully explained.
02:16:16.000Alex explained to you yesterday it was done by Hitler.
02:16:19.000It was done by LBJ during the war in Vietnam where we had the Gulf of Tonkin and he claimed that we had A false flag operation and we had to shoot the Vietnamese because they shouted that was wrong.
02:16:37.000And at the same time, we had a stand down and a false flag, which was told to me repeatedly by the people I work with, including a very famous general that I will not repeat his name to protect him until I go to a grand jury.
02:16:51.000Now, what I'm saying today is very important.
02:16:54.000I was a Deputy Assistant Secretary under Nixon, Ford, and came under Carter.
02:17:01.000I resigned under Carter because I disagreed with the way he handled the hostage situation.
02:17:06.000I came back under Reagan to take down the Soviet Union, and I came back under Bush Sr.
02:17:22.000I create businesses and I believe in the American way of life, which is very simple.
02:17:28.000The hope, the faith, the dedication, and the lack of interference in my job, in my pocketbook, and in my speech, and in the ability to say what I want to say by the government.
02:17:39.000That doesn't mean I'm a Tea Party member, I'm a liberal, I'm a conservative, or I belong to any party.
02:17:45.000I am strictly an American, and I'm saying this to you, as Americans.
02:18:04.000Condoleezza Rice, Steve Hadley, it goes on and on and on.
02:18:09.000The issue now is we have brought to the forefront, at a time when America is in deep peril economically, as Alex Jones has correctly explained to you, we are in deep peril because we are in two wars of which I have no idea why we're there.
02:18:25.000And I had warned even on the Alex Jones Show nine years ago Not, we will go into Afghanistan and Iraq after the 9-11 and I predicted, and he was correct Alex Jones, and you see it on your website, that Osama bin Laden would be dead and had been dead for over seven months.
02:18:45.000Not because special forces killed him.
02:18:47.000But because as a physician I had known that the CIA physicians had treated him and it was on the intelligence roster that he had Marfan syndrome.
02:18:57.000Now many of you can look up on the internet, M-A-R-F-A-N syndrome.
02:19:02.000It's a disease which is the genetic abnormality which Lincoln, Abraham Lincoln had.
02:19:08.000And it was the disease of the cataract of the eye, of the coronary arteries, and what happens in that disease is that you have a very short lifespan.
02:19:17.000The fact that he had renal dialysis was not an issue of renal stones, which can be cured, and is not that serious of life threatening.
02:19:30.000But, he needed that dialysis machine so he had to take it with him.
02:19:34.000It was not an accident that his number two man, El-Zawahiri, was a physician.
02:19:39.000It is not an accident that most leaders of terrorist organizations around the world are physicians.
02:19:45.000That's why I know them, because we understand our code of ethics and creed.
02:19:50.000Osama bin Laden died when we went into Afghanistan.
02:19:54.000General Tommy Franks had stated very clearly He had died and he made a slip.
02:20:00.000Now, we knew he had already died by that time.
02:20:04.000By the time we had already gone into Afghanistan, and in Pakistan, we knew he was dead.
02:20:10.000So the notion, when I came on the radio show in 2002 with Alex Jones, I said, listen, Osama Bin Laden's dead.
02:20:20.000It had nothing to do with Special Forces.
02:20:22.000He was used in the same way that 9-11 was used to mobilize the emotions and feelings of the American people in order to go to a war that had to be justified through a narrative that Bush Jr.
02:20:37.000created and Cheney created about the world of terrorism.
02:20:41.000Now, I have been in that world for 30 years.
02:20:44.000During 30 years, we have never been attacked in America.
02:20:54.000The issue is we have never been attacked up until 9-11 because Bush Jr., Cheney, Rumsfeld, and a group of other generals who are involved, I know who they are and they know who I am.
02:21:08.000We've decided that we had to mobilize the public in order to create a war on terrorism, which is an oxymoron.
02:21:15.000That war on terrorism no longer exists.
02:21:40.000Beware of the orders that you receive from civilian presidents like Bush, Clinton, and Obama.
02:21:47.000Particularly presidents who have never served in a war and do not know what the consequences of the war are and the number of men and women who die.
02:21:57.000Die bravely for our country and our cause because some civilian has to manipulate his political career at the expense of the American public and at the expense of the bodies and the blood and guts of our warriors who are so important to us.
02:22:36.000Dying of the disease I've seen the videos of him and even 98 99 he looked like somebody who was near death then obviously very ill The new photos they show us The CIA even had to admit last year and spy talk in the Washington Post that they were fake videos So it's on record they put fake videos out I think that's very bold of them to tell the Washington Post May 25th 2010 spy talk that they did fake them.
02:23:04.000We already knew that we've seen the ads We've got Adam Gadahn videos uploaded in the same video layer as the Intel Center's logo.
02:23:17.000Alex, the key, Mr. Jones, the key question America has to ask again, and why I went back on your show, is this has much greater implication just than the distortions and lies that are created by the intelligent community.
02:23:29.000And believe me, I work with the intelligent community.
02:23:32.000The question is why does that have to be done repeatedly in different administrations to the American public, particularly now with the President, as you said, who had the lowest ratings, whose historical background is in question.
02:23:46.000I'm not only talking about his birth certificate, forget that, his education, how he came to power, whom he represents, and particularly in a time when Wall Street and the bankers have gotten away with the greatest crime in the history of America.
02:24:00.000Nobody was indicted, and particularly at a time when I do not understand, I, who have been in war eight different times, why we are in Afghanistan and Iraq and why men and women are dying.
02:24:12.000So the issue becomes a little bit greater than the question of, did the CIA or intelligence community doctor up this situation?
02:24:51.000It was the issue of why does a government, why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the American people, who have worked so hard, in order to justify their political existence, when you basically have civilian leaders who are politicians?
02:25:08.000Now, I understand, Dr. Patzenik, Let me stop, because you're dropping bombshell after bombshell.
02:25:14.000You know, you're the right-hand man of Henry Kissinger, George Shultz, James Baker, Cyrus Vance.
02:25:19.000I wasn't anybody's right-hand man, let me tell you.
02:25:21.000I got thrown out of more places than you can imagine, Mike.
02:25:24.000Well, my point is, you've been right up there.
02:25:27.000You've been right up there, right underneath these guys, and it's on record that Tom Clancy's character, Jack Ryan, Patriot Games, is you, so you are... Based on me, that's correct.
02:26:36.000I have nothing personally against him.
02:26:38.000I couldn't care one way or the other, but I did care what is this man going to be as a president.
02:26:44.000If he's going to say one thing and do another in my world, in the world where I can say he's a political operative, that's called a sociopath.
02:26:52.000That means that you say one thing, but you do everything differently.
02:26:56.000So when you look at a photograph of people looking intently as if they were amazed and bemused by an attack that may or may not have existed, if this was an attack and they attacked a mortuary, God bless them, because Osama bin Laden is totally dead, so there's no way they could have attacked or killed or confronted Osama bin Laden unless you believe in the resurrection of Osama bin Laden, and I don't.
02:27:21.000And if I could tell you nine years ago, so let me break it through.
02:27:25.000You have a president, you have a chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Mullen, whose father was a publicist at the William Morris Agency, who is very much concerned about how he's going to lead the military as an admiral, alright?
02:27:41.000You have a president who is in deep, deep trouble, who has no idea of how to get us out of unemployment, and has a disparity between the very rich and the very poor, where no banker in the history of this country, after stealing billions of dollars and coming back to the American public and asking us for bonuses,
02:28:03.000I've never been arrested for this, yet some people who have cheated on their taxes or poor people who have not been able to get jobs are put in prison or are waiting on welfare.
02:28:14.000So we have a president who, the day he came in, picked up the Nobel Prize for Peace where he had done nothing, next day turns around and declares war on Afghanistan.
02:28:29.000We're talking about a man, Karzai, whom I knew, and I was there at the house 20 years ago in Maryland, when this delicate Tassin owner from Silver Spring was ordered to come back.
02:28:43.000He was a CIA operative, as I said, as I remembered him, and was put into a position where we have nothing but corruption, Destruction and basically the killing of our own people.
02:28:55.000Then we have the Pakistani allies who they have now irritated this Obama.
02:29:00.000And then we have Panetta, who's not in that picture.
02:29:03.000The most important of those men who was ordered.
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02:33:18.000Government position under multiple presidents under Secretary of State's involved in black ops all over the world with the Mujahideen.
02:33:28.000I wanted to talk about some of that history briefly before we look at currently what's happening because obviously to know what's coming in the future and what's happening in the present we need to know the past.
02:33:37.000Those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it because the cliche rings true.
02:33:42.000But remember, this is the character that they created Jack Ryan out of in Tom Clancy's books, and that's on record.
02:33:51.000That's how respected he is, and he has a lot of courage.
02:33:54.000And I know you probably don't want to get into this now, but you did get a lot of heat When you came on my show, and I know you'll probably get heat again right now, but you're not some small fry out there saying that bin Laden was dead.
02:34:08.000And what you talked about on my show was confirmed by people in the White House, high level.
02:34:13.000And then separately, years after that, Madeleine Albright, former Secretary of State, came out and said it.
02:34:20.000Benazir Bhutto, the President of Pakistan, said it.
02:34:23.000So when the Washington Post, and everybody makes fun of us right now, and has these articles out, some of them wouldn't even quote you.
02:34:30.000They just said that Jones claimed he had a source from the State Department when it was on record.
02:34:38.000Uh, Atlantic Monthly dare not mention it.
02:34:41.000They linked to some Cheech and Chong blog that I have nothing to do with in some attempt to just mislead their readers.
02:34:48.000Jeff Goldberg, who when he wasn't an Israeli prison guard, he was...
02:34:54.000You know, running around engaged in his regular activities.
02:34:57.000So I guess Israel doesn't like what I'm doing.
02:35:08.000You've got all these intel connections.
02:35:10.000You've worked with, you know, the biggest heavy hitters there are.
02:35:15.000You're famous in intelligence and analysis.
02:35:19.000Jack Ryan's your character, the guy that doesn't play games.
02:35:23.000In the real world, you're actually telling it like it is.
02:35:29.000April 22nd on this show and then everything you've talked about has now been backed up in triplicate and now we have this latest PR stunt with them with the photo op with Hillary covering her mouth.
02:35:40.000I mean, this looks like a photo where you tell your kids, you know, smile, say cheese.
02:35:47.000With the intel, with the CIA reports you were reading, with as much proof as you can give us without giving up your sources, of knowing that bin Laden was dead, and when he reportedly died, so that we can look at the big news story now in context of why they've launched this hoax today.
02:36:06.000Well, let me just say, the issue of why he was dead was exactly what I said before.
02:37:29.000At the same time, you had an admiral who had really not done very well as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, who had made some serious gaps.
02:37:38.000By giving a Medal of Honor to Greg Mortensen, who lied, going into Pakistan saying he had built schools for women and looked like a fool, you have Panetta, who really caused a lot of civilian damage in the Pakistan area, and the Pakistanis were furious with him because what he called him was a CIA, quite frankly, without telling you a great secret, it's already an open source intelligence.
02:38:02.000About 80% of the CIA presently is not involved in intelligence.
02:38:06.000It is involved in what's called Operation Killing Special Ops.
02:38:10.000And that means that many of the special forces soldiers have been shifted over to the CIA.
02:38:15.000What used to be in the old office, Solix Special Operations Low Intensity Conflict, but they have a new office.
02:38:22.000And Panetta was really just killing people right and left with the drones and creating a lot of, lot of friction and a major alienation between the American generals and the Pakistani generals, the ISI.
02:38:38.000Third, lastly, we have a foreign policy that didn't work under Hillary Clinton, as you know, Like Condoleezza Rice, she probably booked in more miles than any other Secretary of State and was totally incompetent.
02:38:50.000She was not able to preempt to really be able to figure out any strategic assessments or analysis of what happened in the Middle East or predict the uprising in Syria, in Libya, Tunisia, and was really not able to hold out and Tunisia, and was really not able to hold out and was not confident.
02:39:10.000So you have a whole series of administrative people, both civilians and military, who are not confident, and they had to show that they could really prove some sense of competency at a time when they was in a reelection area.
02:39:23.000It's a really, as nature, it's a very sense of political expediency.
02:39:28.000As to what the Washington Post says and the New York Times, I don't particularly care.
02:39:46.000Having said that, it was a very politically expedient factor for the President to say, I'm going to get re-elected, I've shown my firmness, I've shown I'm an American, I've shown that I can turn around the economy, which he hasn't.
02:40:00.000Secretary of State Hillary can say, look, we accomplished the end of a major significant movement in the war on terrorism, which they haven't, because from a tactical and an intelligence assessment point of view, this has not changed the game whatsoever.
02:40:15.000There are no terrorists really right now in Afghanistan.
02:40:19.000The only terrorists right now are being supported by Al-Haqqa, which is supported by the Pakistani Inter-Service Intelligence, which Gore said to you last night, which ironically is being supported by the CIA.
02:40:31.000And even Al-Haqqa has been reporting back to our intelligence operatives saying, what in God's name is going on?
02:40:37.000We're being paid by our own CIA, your CIA, through the ISI, to kill your soldiers.
02:40:43.000Now, if you can explain that to me, you're going to have to explain that to the American public.
02:40:48.000And that's what I meant by deception and denial that's been going on for three administrations.
02:40:52.000Clinton, Bush, and this administration.
02:40:58.000The Pakistanis are so furious, what you heard last night, that Panetta had created all these problems and they don't like General Petraeus.
02:41:07.000By the way, I happen to like General Petraeus.
02:41:12.000He's been doing what he was ordered to do, not what he initiated to do.
02:41:16.000And we have to differentiate our military From civilian control and that's one of the reasons why I work with our military and not the civilian government.
02:41:25.000I offer and donate my time to our military because they're the most serious institution that we have left in the United States and they're being traded very poorly.
02:41:35.000Both on the battlefield without the necessary resources, and when they come back as veterans without any benefits, and now they have no mental health benefits, they have no physical benefits, and we're having the cheapest amount of labor given to these veterans who have served our country honorably.
02:41:52.000So what I'm saying to you very clearly is, this is a civilian psyops game that continues from presidency to presidency.
02:42:00.000We in the United States can no longer have two-party systems where we have a Republican and Democrat, where it really is not functioning very well and it's costing the American public a fortune in both blood and guts and money.
02:42:41.000We're not going to go to World War III.
02:42:43.000What's happening is another form of economic warfare has entered, and that is China, who has benefited from all of what we have done, the dysfunctional behavior and the misassessment and the lack of strategy and the lack of leadership.
02:42:58.000And the disasters that we have created with the drones and our CIA so-called operations where we kill civilians.
02:43:05.000We've alienated the Pakistanis who in turn have invited the Chinese to come down and work with them both militarily and economically.
02:43:39.000Looking at this, I talked to you earlier during the break and you said you heard General Hamid Gul, former head of Pakistani intelligence, on and that you had to agree with what he said.
02:43:49.000But specifically, let's go into your history because you know the entire, much of the entire leadership of Pakistan and Afghanistan from the Afghan war with the Russians.
02:44:05.000I really know them way before the Afghan war.
02:44:07.000I was involved in the major hostage situation in Washington called the Hanafi Muslim March brought in by Earl Silbert when 350 hostages were taken in Washington.
02:44:20.000And I was able for 36 hours of negotiating against the orders of Carter.
02:44:25.000I actually threw out Jimmy Carter outside.
02:44:27.000So you can see I don't always acquiesce to a civilian controller or president.
02:44:31.000And basically there was a very important gentleman who worked with me named Yaqub Khan.
02:44:36.000Yaqub Khan was the foreign minister of Pakistan, was our ambassador to the United States, but was the father of the Pakistani army.
02:44:45.000As a result of that, I got to know the various generals throughout his ranks, who they were, and he talked to me about Al Zia, Musharraf, Benazir Bhutto, her father, what would happen.
02:44:56.000So I intimately got to know Both the military elements of this incredible army that was trained under General Yacoub Khan, and a friend of mine was also the head of the Islamic Brotherhood, believe it or not, we went to MIT together.
02:45:10.000So I knew all of these elements, and I knew they were extremely sensitive.
02:45:15.000To our relationship with America, and at the time, they were useful in the fight against the Soviet Union.
02:45:22.000But at the same time, I was clearly warned very early on that they would turn against us and basically have a blowback, which you've talked about in the past.
02:45:31.000So, using Yahoo Con, I knew exactly where the elements were, the concerns they had about the CIA continuously supporting the Inter-Service Intelligence Agency, the fact that the ISI was getting out of control, was no longer under military or civilian control in Pakistan and was beginning to form their own so-called groups, or we call terrorist groups,
02:45:55.000as a forefront to making sure that Pakistan had an ancillary army or basically an auxiliary army or paramilitary unit that could fight against India.
02:46:08.000And one of the things your audience has to understand, Pakistan's greatest obsession right now is not with the Taliban or Haqqa, Those are the groups that they support even till today.
02:46:41.000Nevertheless, India, Pakistan to this day has felt very strongly that India is sending down operatives through the Chinese and other Soviets into Afghanistan and are using those operatives in order to get a possession into Afghanistan.
02:46:57.000And at the same time, Pakistan feels that India is infiltrating into Kashmir.
02:47:01.000So there's a whole other scenario which we have not been able to handle.
02:47:05.000When Richard Holbrooke was brought in as the envoy to South Asia, he was told you can handle anything you want, but you will not touch Pakistan and India or Kashmir.
02:47:18.000So, from a foreign policy point of view, we have never had the strong hand or the foresight of, let's say, whatever you think of Kissinger or Baker.
02:47:28.000Very forcefully say, no, that's not going to happen, or we have the strategic sense under various other presidents where we knew exactly where we wanted to go, like Bush Sr.
02:47:40.000He was afraid of Saddam Hussein, or he wasn't, or it was unfinished work.
02:47:44.000Bush Senior was brilliant in foreign policy.
02:47:47.000We had taken down the Soviet Union quietly, we had taken down East Germany quietly, we had taken down Apartheid quietly, and we had taken down Debussens, a whole bunch of other countries.
02:48:11.000who's able to control and direct both the intelligent community of the CIA, under whom Gates, Bob Gates, who is an excellent Secretary of Defense, and I'm sorry to see him go, because I think that's a great loss to our country.
02:48:25.000He has really tried to control and direct our defense department in the right way and cut back programs that were not necessary.
02:48:33.000The F-22, the stealth, and really provide our special forces with the necessary equipment they needed.
02:48:40.000We're going to lose a very valuable man.
02:48:42.000In turn, I have very big questions about Panetta and his capabilities.
02:48:46.000I do not think he performed well at the CIA.
02:48:49.000I think he exacerbated a very serious situation with the Pakistani's.
02:48:54.000And I think General Petraeus will have a hard time because it's a military man coming into a civilian organization, which General Eisenhower once said about the CIA, you need a certain kind of genius to run that organization.
02:49:08.000So right now, what's happening is civilian control, which is both untutored, undisciplined, and without a history of any military intelligence expertise, is now going forward.
02:49:19.000There's one more reason why Osama bin Laden came out out of the dead, so to speak, the resurrection, or the psyops resurrection of Osama bin Laden, and that is for the first time you've heard people like Clapper and the director of the National Intelligence Organizations and the, I say that the Center for Counterterrorism and all the intelligence organizations, which amount to God knows how many now, Have really worked together and effectively.
02:49:46.000So it's a justification to say that under Obama, we have really integrated our intelligence community so that we effectively can kill and that we're able to kill a dead man, in my opinion, that Osama Bin Laden was dead.
02:50:01.000All right, let me ask you this question, sir.
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02:50:22.000Dr. Pachinick is also, as you heard, a medical doctor, continues to consult to the Department of Defense, is also a Council on Foreign Relations Fellow.
02:50:30.000You heard him, and he said it nine years ago, that they would do this.
02:50:34.000This is the PSYOP resurrection of Osama Bin Laden.
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02:54:36.000They say when they switch it, it may go to a C-grade, that's CNBC.
02:54:43.000I mean, this is the country going into cardiac arrest, but we've got the Royal Wedding, we've got the Bin Laden situation, and here is a very high-powered author, researcher, State Department, a former official, CFR fellow, breaking everything down, breaking ranks with the establishment to warn you.
02:55:10.000Because, I mean, we see the frame-up now of Pakistan going into high gear saying Bin Laden was at this house.
02:55:18.000Well, one of the reasons they're doing it is so that they basically can pull out of Pakistan and they can leave, try to leave Afghanistan and Iraq with the sense that there was a victory.
02:55:28.000There is no victory because there was no clear designation as to what the war would accomplish.
02:55:33.000We have no idea what the war accomplished other than 10 years of wasted bodies and brave men and women and $333 billion a year.
02:55:42.000Secondly, we now have a very serious economic issue with unemployment still exceedingly high, much higher than the designations.
02:55:52.000We have a banking crisis that hasn't been resolved.
02:55:55.000In three years we've had banks after banks, Chase, Morgan Stanley, JPMorgan and Chase, Bank of America, all of them have committed crimes beyond the reason of the doubt.
02:56:07.000If you look at the Banking Commission report that's done by our own federal government, they indict them.
02:56:12.000And there's basically no attention to them and nobody has even been prosecuted.
02:56:17.000And Obama went back to them yesterday and asked them for more money.
02:56:22.000We're also in a position where we are not doing very well in the international arena.
02:56:27.000We have literally lost our basic strategic superpower position.
02:56:31.000Although we have a large army, we're basically in the same position that the British military was in the 1900s.
02:56:37.000a very large army, without a strategy, without a cause, and without a country.
02:56:42.000I often said to our military, we have an army without a country, and I say to our country that we have a country without a military, because right now it's costing us a fortune.
02:56:54.000There are no enemies that we have other than the internal security of our country, which depends really on the debt, as you clearly said, and our financial growth, which is very low, 2% to 3%, and the fact that our bond ratings will be downgraded, perhaps to a C, or whatever the levels are.
02:57:12.000We have the notion that a system is not working, and that's what I keep coming back to since I said ten years ago when we had Bush Jr., now we have Obama.
02:57:21.000We elect people who are basically panderers without any history of accomplishment, without any history of success, other than the fact that they pandered their way and agreed to acquiesce to anybody who's giving them money or power and represent other interests.
02:57:39.000Now, I'm not I'm not degrading anybody.
02:57:41.000I've treated politicians and I've worked with them.
02:57:43.000But basically the notion of a politician servicing the United States of American needs is absurd.
02:57:50.000We don't need these people anymore and if we don't, if we think we do, then we're mistaken because we're going to keep going on from administration to administration, from lie to lie, and from incompetence to incompetence.
02:58:03.000All of these people are reshuffled again.
02:58:05.000You have Panetta who was in the Clinton administration, was not a great Thank you for listening to GCN.
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03:00:19.000We can see the scripting, the choreographing, the ridiculous we threw bin Laden in the ocean.
03:00:25.000The six years he's in Pakistan, obviously they want to start framing Pakistan, putting pressure on them.
03:00:30.000They caught the CIA guy reportedly with the uranium, trying to get it to militants and some type of way to put pressure on Pakistan's nuclear program.
03:00:38.000But what are the other reasons for them doing this?
03:00:41.000Because I'm scanning the news here while we're live.
03:00:46.00048 hours into this, it's completely turning around against them.
03:00:49.000And hoax, hoax, hoax, hoax, hoax is the byword.
03:00:54.000They're on Facebook everywhere trying to block and ban people like I've never seen on their own Facebook saying it's a hoax.
03:01:34.000I mean, when you have people sitting around and watching a sitcom, basically the operation center of the White House, and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like, telling you that they just killed Osama Bin Laden, who was already dead nine years ago, and people are aware of shows like yours, quite frankly, Alex, you've been a very important part of inserting the truth in a time when most media was really going to the common denominator, in the lowest.
03:02:00.000The fortunate part is that, thank God for the alternative media, and thank God for the American public.
03:02:14.000There's nothing that you've really said that I didn't agree with nine years ago.
03:02:18.000And when I said to you Osama bin Laden's dead because they need to get out of there, they need to have a conclusion where the President's getting rid of all the issues we talked about.
03:02:27.000Now the American public is saying, you know, we're tired.
03:02:30.000We're sick and tired of the nonsense that was given to us by Clinton, by Bush, and certainly now by Obama.
03:02:43.000We want to know that we can be proud of what we've done and forget the rest of the world where we're making up wars that don't exist and terrorists who never were.
03:02:51.000And the PSA, as you said, is reaching down to your pants and are not really required.
03:02:56.000I've never seen anything like this in my whole life.
03:02:59.000So the answer is, one issue that's very important is that the American public has to understand these people are not smarter than the American public.
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03:09:06.000You've worked under James Baker, George Shultz, Cyrus Vance, Henry Kissinger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and Senior Policy Planner, under those secretaries.
03:09:17.000And here you are saying bin Laden's dead.
03:09:20.000And he's on ice to be rolled out later.
03:09:22.000Then two other White House sources tell me the same thing years later.
03:09:38.000And then before we go to some calls out, we're going to be able to get out of the way.
03:09:40.000I want you to specifically, again, because you keep saying, well, you know, they're not as smart as you think they are, why they're doing it, why they think they came out with this ridiculous bin Laden announcement that's so cartoonish that is blowing up in their face.
03:09:55.000The foreign media, the domestic, it is just overwhelming.
03:09:58.000The inconsistencies, even the Washington Post and others are like, well, they're conspiracy theorists, but it is weird that Uh, they threw him in the ocean.
03:10:23.000Uh, and, uh, we're in a very serious time, but, but tell folks a little bit about yourself.
03:10:28.000I mean, give us a snapshot of your career.
03:10:30.000Very quickly, I went to Harvard and MIT at the same time, not because I was so smart, but because Harvard wasn't as good as I thought it was.
03:10:38.000I got a psychiatric degree at Harvard and a PhD in International Affairs under Lucian Pye.
03:10:46.000I was trained in psychological warfare, propaganda, counterintelligence, counterterrorism.
03:10:51.000I went right into the State Department working for Lawrence Eagleburger and became the head of the Office of Combat Terrorism.
03:10:59.000I worked against Arafat as a terrorist and then years later I worked with Arafat as a statesman.
03:11:57.000I'm more than happy to lose the money.
03:11:59.000It's because only in America can I do what I've done all the time, which is be able to create a business like Radio Frequency Identification, the Tom Clancy franchises, the TV shows, even radio shows.
03:12:11.000And now I'm doing nutraceuticals and I'm doing orphan drugs.
03:12:15.000And be able to succeed or fail, not by definition of money, but by definition of criteria that we build assets.
03:12:22.000I was not interested in pushing papers or money back and forth, but I was interested in serving my country, which I really served for free and most of the time.
03:12:31.000I was promoted to colonel at a very early age at 32.
03:12:34.000I refused promotion to general, brigadier general at 37, because I felt not that I wanted to be in the army, but I felt I could serve my country best.
03:12:42.000By going back out into public service and into private service and then offer my services for free, make my money outside on my own, and then come back and serve my country through the military and other organizations, and be able to go overseas for our country and offer strategic advice if they listen to it.
03:13:00.000If not, I came back under Reagan and worked on the Soviet Union.
03:13:04.000I was after the Rand Corporation for a year under a man called Richard Solomon, who brought me in to develop the Soviet takedown, the psychological operation we were involved.
03:13:15.000Bush Sr. was really, under Reagan, the really impetus for the takedown of the Soviet Union, East Germany.
03:13:21.000I then came back under Bush Sr., and I was involved in bringing the peace treaty under James Baker to bring a regime change under Pol Pot without using any wars, without using any soldiers.
03:13:34.000My point is, most of the things that I've done, and I've done a lot in the Middle East, against Habash, Hawatme, even in the Gaza Strip, where I worked with the PLO, against the PLO, and where, ironically, and this will be a soft spot for the Israelis, in 88, ironically, and this will be a soft spot for the Israelis, in 88, I was sent out
03:13:55.000To find out what was going on with the PLO, and I found out that the Shin Bet of Israel and ADA was creating a group called Hamas, which was used as a counterforce to the PLO.
03:14:05.000And of course, eventually everybody learned that Hamas had a blowback, and now the Israelis have created their own Frankenstein.
03:14:12.000The point being that we are not the only country in the world to create our own Frankenstein through al-Qaeda, which was really the Mushahadeen before.
03:14:20.000I was involved with that under the Carter administration, subsequently another administration, Did you ever meet Osama Bin Laden?
03:15:19.000Most people think I worked with the CIA.
03:15:21.000I was not in the CIA, but that's neither here nor there.
03:15:24.000Even though I was a member of the CFR, I'm also a member of the Association of Foreign Intelligence Officers and National Military Intelligence Associations.
03:15:32.000So, all these associations may mean something to you, may not, but I'm primarily an American.
03:15:37.000No, I understand, and it must be horrifying for you, Doctor, to know that, like the Royal Wedding, worshipping people that, you know, who hereditarily got their power, who you have to get a, you know, imperial mark in the past to be able to even have a business.
03:15:51.000Our forefathers and mothers came here to be able to build their own businesses, follow their own dreams, and now we see Obama Giving thousands of waivers to select corporations that give him money.
03:16:03.000General Electric heads up his economic board.
03:16:05.000They get waivers for their coal plants and then shut down their competition.
03:16:09.000We're really entering this crony monopoly system.
03:16:48.000Because all they care about is their own narcissism, their own desire for power.
03:16:52.000Very few people are really interested in serving the government and then they would leave without pay.
03:16:57.000I really have never found any of these people.
03:16:59.000Except in my case, I found Bush Senior, I found Baker, who really didn't need money, even Vance on both sides.
03:17:06.000But most people that I knew were very power hungry.
03:17:09.000In this administration, you have a president totally, totally incapable of telling the truth.
03:17:15.000Well, what about those narcissistic photos with them all posing?
03:17:18.000I mean, you can see they did it over and over again until they got it, but shifting gears back to this key issue, there you are, this guy, high level in these Republican administrations, the son of someone you say you admire and who, from your perspective, is a good guy, obviously hardworking and intelligent, George Herbert Walker Bush, any way you slice it, when he didn't become the CIA director, You know why he became CIA director?
03:17:47.000He became CIA director because Donald Rumsfeld wanted to neutralize him from running for the presidency.
03:17:52.000And for 20 years, most people don't realize, either Cheney or Rumsfeld were allowed in the White House because they tried to Neutralized the future of this quiet man who never, never promoted himself.
03:18:06.000I remember his saying to me and others that I'd never speak about myself because my mother wouldn't let me.
03:18:12.000Well, you know, it's interesting that you bring that up because it's actually come out that George W. did bring in Cheney and Rumsfeld because of that split.
03:18:23.000And that's then later when Baker and them were sent back in to kind of shut down what they were doing.
03:18:30.000That's one of the reasons why I got on the phone in the middle when I was in Montana and I told Baker, I called him up.
03:18:36.000but that what got me doing setting up the chairman of the republican party who Whatever, uh, very bizarre and unusual in his orientations and talking about abortion.
03:18:48.000What are you doing with Cheney and Rumsfeld?
03:18:50.000I mean, these guys were persona non grata for 20 years in our administration.
03:18:55.000So basically you have to understand within the American public has to understand that even under Bush Jr.
03:19:02.000We had basically a quiet civil war that was going on between his father's people who were non-ideological and those who tried to implement ideology and their own narcissism.
03:19:12.000What we have now is a very narcissistic, incompetent president with a very dysfunctional White House and a dysfunctional intelligence community.
03:19:20.000Well, that was my next question, Dr. Pachenik, from your perspective, was why did you, in 2002, come on my show to talk about this bin Laden being in the deep freeze in a question 9-11?
03:19:32.000We're going to come back, talk about that, and then we're going to go to your phone calls with Dr. Steve Pachenik.
03:19:38.000What incredible info, but he told you this bin Laden thing's a fraud.
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03:22:19.000Or was Jefferson correct when stating a central bank issuing the public currency is a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army?
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03:23:57.000Just the providence of this radio show.
03:23:59.000Because I'm just an average guy who started reading history books when I was 12 and thought they were interesting and entertaining.
03:24:05.000And reading history I learned so much about how the world works today.
03:24:09.000And then I've talked to the general public, who many of them are informed and have street smarts, but if they would really start researching, they would find out how much they're being lied to, and that the culture is getting more and more entitled in Washington, the corporations that have grown up around it, the crony system are so out of control.
03:24:26.000Your phone calls for Dr. Steve Pachenik.
03:24:28.000We're coming up in the next segment and hopefully we can get him back up in the very near future.
03:24:33.000And I keep asking him this question and he's answered it in many ways.
03:24:37.000But just boiling it down in a language that the mainstream media can understand and government can understand, why would they do something that is so cartoonishly satirical where And I'm not just saying this to make it come true, because I was pretty depressed yesterday, but now the tables are turning.
03:25:01.000I mean, it's almost more scary, doctor, that you're probably right, that they have the power, they have the control, so they're able to do what they want, they think they're smart, but at the end of the day, they're making a lot of things that look like big mistakes, as the Republic
03:25:17.000It's about the word that you want to use right now, the key word that did all of this psyops resurrection of Osama Bin Laden, which is a joke and a sick joke and a cynical joke on the American public, treating them as if we were stupid, is desperation.
03:25:46.000To make Obama viable, to negate the fact that he may not have been born here, any questions about his background, any irregularities about his background, to make him look assertive, to make sure that Gates goes out in a clean sweep and that he's done what he's done.
03:26:03.000This is a good man, Gates, and bringing in a man who is questionably qualified to be Secretary of Defense, who is questionably qualified to be CIA Director Panetta, to bring in a whole other staff that really has not been very effective, and to reelect this president again for the American public and be duked once again after we've been duked by Bush Jr. and Clinton.
03:26:25.000The point is they've underestimated the American public.
03:26:30.000Again, you can thank David Axelrod of the White House, this very self-aggrandizing, very pretentious man who thinks he understands the American public because he pulls them every minute.
03:26:43.000And basically what we have here is a desperate situation on behalf of an incompetent president who's not told the truth.
03:26:51.000Who hopes to be reelected because he has nothing to offer but words which are totally meaningless and will hopefully get forth.
03:26:59.000On the other hand, let me warn you that the Republicans and other parties have no candidates that are capable of filling the role that America needs today, which is a pragmatic, non-narcissistic, non-egoistic, Practical man or woman who has served our country on behalf of our country, hopefully in the military, hopefully in business, and hopefully has had a clean history and can understand where we're going strategically and practically.
03:27:28.000That has not happened in the past 24 years.
03:27:32.000That's basically where we are today, in desperation with capital cronyism, corruption, and non-transparency.
03:27:40.000What we need now is Torea Square in Washington, D.C.
03:27:44.000and all over the country where people will go... We're going to talk about that when we come back and then take calls, but in the minute or two we have left in this short segment, why did you go public in 2002 with something at the time, you know, that sounded a little bit wild to some people, but I knew it had a historical basis, and say... Everybody who has accused me of making wild statements regretted it ten years later.
03:28:06.000Aldo Morrow did, Pol Pot did, Noriega, all ...regretted the fact when I said to them, you're leaving and you're not staying, they were gone.
03:28:16.000The reason I came forth and I said I warned Bush Jr.
03:28:20.000and Cheney and Rumsfeld, you will pay for the crimes you've committed against the American public, and part of that is this nonsense of Osama bin Laden being the leader of some nonsensical group that we created under the Carter administration was fostered Through tens of years and going into Pakistan through a nonsensical war that didn't exist to allow men and women to die.
03:28:45.000Are you bottom line saying they ran the attacks or they hired some criminal group to do it?
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03:33:37.000Now, as we went to break, he was laying it all out and naming names.
03:33:43.000Dr. Pachinik, again, who served as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State and or Senior Policy Planner under Secretaries Henry Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Shultz, and James Baker, as three of the most famous kingmakers of the last hundred years right there.
03:33:57.000Dr. Pachinik continues to consult the Department of Defense, ran black ops, major operations, Overthrows of governments, you name it, stevepachinik.com.
03:34:06.000He is, of course, on record, Tom Clancy.
03:34:08.000Helped Tom Clancy write his 26th best-selling New York Times bestsellers with his advice.
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03:34:20.000And Dr. Pachinik, uninterrupted by the break, take your time.
03:34:31.000The event of 9-11 was carried out for one purpose.
03:34:34.000It was carried out to mobilize the American public to go to a war that they didn't need to go to, that they knew nothing about, where we had prepositioned soldiers in Afghanistan and Iraq six to nine months beforehand.
03:34:46.000And what it was done, it was based on Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Cheney, Dick Cheney, Bush Jr., Steve Hadley, Elliott Abrams in the White House, Almeh Halazad, Dennis Ross, who's now our still envoy, who's never been held accountable. Dennis Ross, who's now our still envoy, who's never been You have Condoleezza Rice.
03:35:09.000You have all the people who were in the military, particularly the Air Force generals who were involved.
03:35:16.000They can deny it any much they want, but I have a whole list of names.
03:35:20.000and the intel, the CIA operatives who worked under SOLIC, Special Operations Low Intensity Conflict, were all involved in what's called a stand-down, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public on the false pretense that we were attacked by al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden, a false flag operation in order to mobilize the American public on the false pretense that
03:35:41.000It was told to me, even by the general and the staff of Wolfowitz, I would go in front of a federal committee and swear on perjury who the name was of the individual so that we could break it open.
03:35:56.000I taught stand-down and false flag operations at the National War College.
03:36:00.000I taught it with all my operatives, so I knew exactly what was done to the American public.
03:36:05.000Believe it or not, I had worked on George Bush Jr.'s campaign, With Bob Zoellick, not with the Vulcans, but with Bob Zoellick in order to work against Gore, which I regret today, because I had been loyal to his father.
03:36:18.000And that issue of Osama bin Laden, who had already been dead, really brought up the issue of the Great Lie and the Great War that was created for us to make sure that we had some type of commitment to a war that was not necessary, where blood and guts were shed for unnecessary reasons, Dr. Pucinich, I've got to stop because this is so dangerous.
03:36:44.000I believe this is the first time you've gone this far and when the DC Madam was on my show and she was trying to tell me during the break names of people and I said I don't want to know this you've got to go public with this you're gonna end up you know committing Arkansas and obviously you're a tough guy you're not worried about that but I mean no I don't think so.
03:37:06.000We all have a mutual, let's say, a mutual deterrent relationship.
03:37:10.000It's not going to be to their benefit.
03:37:32.000One of the reasons when I went on the shows like Chris Matthews, CNN, all of that nonsense, is they wanted me to say certain things, and Matthews had no idea what we were talking about.
03:37:41.000Going to Iraq at the time, you had all these anchormen and basically pretty boys up in I've met some of these people.
03:39:20.000I don't care whether Obama's desperate or he's incompetent or he's narcissistic.
03:39:26.000I care that he does not get re-elected.
03:39:28.000I care that the Republicans don't get re-elected.
03:39:31.000I care that the American people stand up once again and say we've had enough of this bullshit.
03:39:37.000We have all these politicians on the Republican and Democratic side, the capital cronyism, the entire incompetency, the transnational corporations.
03:39:46.000And believe me, I don't come from the left or the right.
03:39:48.000You don't serve Nixon, Reagan, and Bush and come out with these comments.
03:39:52.000I'm not losing friends and I'm not making friends.
03:39:55.000I don't really care about those things.
03:39:57.000I do care that as an American, don't Mess with me.
03:40:02.000You can imagine the real word I wanted to use.
03:41:50.000For the past three presidents, we have had people who have never had a mortgage, who have never been able to have a job.
03:41:57.000Clinton left the White House, said, oh, poor me, poor me, I have no money.
03:42:01.000A year later, he's $100 million supporting Dubai, bringing in a port, while Hillary Clinton comes in and says, oh no, we shouldn't have a port.
03:44:18.000He has nothing to do with cash flow fiscal policy.
03:44:21.000Then you had Greenspan, who told you he was doing a wonderful job, and he put the foot Accelerated to the pedal and boy, we went right over the abyss and then he comes back and said, oh no, that was a minor incident.
03:44:34.000Derivatives were really very effective.
03:44:37.000Let me throw a few more questions in for you and we'll take a few calls.
03:44:40.000This is unbelievable, Dr. Pachenik, stevepachenik.com.
03:44:44.000The anthrax attacks, you know, they said it was brewed in a bathtub, later they admitted super U.S.
03:44:50.000weapons grade, miniaturized, hundreds of millions of dollars of equipment needed.
03:46:17.000All I know is his brother, his one brother's an agent in Hollywood, and his other brother, quote, is a physician at the United... Well, what about their family connections to, uh, eargun?
03:46:27.000Uh, in Israel, you... His father was in the Oguns Feiluming, that is true.
03:46:30.000His father was a pediatrician and was part of a terrorist gang.
03:46:34.000He himself, I think, served in the IDF for a period of time.
03:47:06.000Condoleezza should be put on trial and investigated under charges of perjury and war crime.
03:47:12.000It's as simple as that. - By the way, ABC News did report that-- - You've got other people, Elliot Abrams, you've got Wolfowitz out there, and you've got a lot of potential criminals.
03:47:24.000If this country doesn't come to its resolution, instead of creating this nonsense that we have a war and we have heroes and we do have victims, we have to stop this.
03:47:36.000Well, it was in ABC News that Top Military Brass, a week before it canceled their September 11th flight to New York, Mayor Willie Brown, San Francisco Chronicle, this was confirmed, called Condoleezza.
03:47:46.000No, she called him and said, don't fly to New York.
03:47:49.000I mean, these guys are just red-handed caught, then lying about never hearing chatter about flying planes into buildings, when on record they ordered FBI agents nationwide who were on the trail of the legend they were building, the fake decoy history.
03:48:05.000You know, it's time again that I say we have our own Tahiriri Square.
03:48:07.000The young kids of Egypt went forth and did what they did.
03:48:31.000That second revolution has to entail the peaceful means by which we can get rid of this type of capital cronyism, corruption and criminal activity.
03:48:43.000It's again, we were born of a revolution.
03:48:50.000And we need to now understand that our government has no longer served the people, for the people, by the people.
03:48:57.000And that's why I came back on your show.
03:48:59.000I was so disgusted to hear this nonsense about Osama bin Laden being resurrected and that they had shot him, unless they attacked a mortuary.
03:49:10.000I have no idea what this nonsense was, but the point is it underlied another cancerous administration with lies, deceit, betrayal, including the Republicans and Democrats and the legislation.
03:49:33.000So no matter what the press tells you, no matter what they'll say, Alex Jones had the courage enough to put me on the air, and I had the gall enough to go on the air, which is, by the way, not unusual for me because I told some presidents to leave.
03:49:48.000Go screw yourself, but because I save lives.
03:49:51.000My job isn't to take down countries only, it's to save hostages.
03:49:55.000I saved many hundreds of hostages lives.
03:49:58.000Now, I was so disgusted, I went back on your show to thank you for allowing me to address the incredible public.
03:50:29.000My question for you, doctor, is that when we deal with this, as you aptly put, this nonsense with Osama bin Laden allegedly being captured and killed, This operation was allegedly authorized and carried out a couple of weeks ago in April.
03:50:44.000So why did Obama wait that long a time and then announce this, out of all places, Sunday night at 1030?
03:50:53.000And my second part of the question to that is, if we go back a week ago, after bin Laden would have supposedly been killed, we see the shuffle with Panetta and Petraeus into the Defense Department and CIA.
03:51:15.000Basically, they did it so late so that nobody could comment on it.
03:51:18.000The reason for the timing, and now at this particular point in time, is Gates is leaving.
03:51:24.000And Panetta had to establish some credibility where he had none before.
03:51:29.000The Pakistanis were extremely angry that he had killed many civilians, which he had.
03:51:34.000Also, if you remember correctly, two years ago, he had made a major mess where CIA operatives were killed because there was no clearance.
03:51:42.000Secondly, you have to remember now the CIA is not the CIA of the Cold War or the people, the brave people I worked with in the 80s and 90s.
03:52:27.000The American public has to understand, we have primarily mercenaries in most of what we have in contract offices.
03:52:34.000When I say we have contractees, we have mercenaries.
03:52:38.000Many of our troops are very disgusted with that because I've got a soldier who makes $35,000 and next to him, I have the same man making a quarter of a million with no taxes whatsoever and no restrictions in terms of... Yeah, he has immunity.
03:52:53.000Basic, Alex, what I'm saying to you is the timing had to do with Gates leaving, Panetta having been switched into the Secretary of Defense, although I suspect he didn't really want to be SecDef.
03:53:03.000He wanted to remain as DCI, Director of the CIA, and Petraeus is heading up the CIA, which is unusual for a general because he ran the Special Forces units and CENTCOM, and he ran much of the war in Afghanistan and Iraq, and he knows the drones, and he knows the so-called Al Qaeda.
03:53:24.00010 o'clock at night, so the papers were already lined up to not question, to then have total control of the message the next morning, to control the entire week with the announcement, and the whole thing was scripted.
03:53:49.000My question is, After all of this shenanigans that's going on with Osama being dead and everything and Obama trying to get re-elected, after all of this is done, you know, after that announcement in 2012 that he has won the presidency again or whatever, how do you think America is going to react?
03:54:29.000I really think about it and I don't know the answer, but this is what I would speculate.
03:54:33.000Our unemployment is still remaining high.
03:54:36.000We have had capital investments, but we're not doing it into major projects like railroads, which we need, bridges that have to be reconstructed, houses that have to go.
03:54:45.000We need to get that unemployment 10 to 19 million people back on the job.
03:54:50.000He will get re-elected and he will probably do whatever he needs to do, which is an agenda that is not clear at this point.
03:54:57.000But he will continue to push through Obamacare, which will be a disaster for our health program.
03:55:02.000Unemployment will probably remain high.
03:55:05.000And he will keep the military positioned in the areas where we don't need it.
03:55:10.000And basically our capital cronyism will continue.
03:56:19.000They said it's the increased spending.
03:56:21.000Raising the debt ceiling is why we have a Negative outlook on you keeping AAA, and then he came out two weeks ago and said that if we didn't raise it, that would cause the default.
03:56:31.000But now they're shifting gears saying, okay, they may have to cut.
03:56:34.000Are they starting to get some reality, Dr. Pachinnik?
03:56:38.000What they're doing is playing with money.
03:56:40.000Remember, every currency is denominated still in the dollar system.
03:56:45.000And as long as the dollar system is there, the Federal Reserve will control it.
03:56:49.000Bretton Woods, right after World War II in New Hampshire, a lot of smart men made sure that everything around the world was denominated in dollars.
03:56:56.000Where we're going to have a major problem and crisis is that we will have an inflationary spiral that they cannot control.
03:57:04.000And so that's why gold keeps going up out of fear.
03:57:07.000Yeah, in and of itself, gold has no value other than the historical value, aesthetic value, whatever.
03:57:13.000But the bottom line is economically, we're not in a position unless we keep manufacturing.
03:57:19.000One of the great things about the state of Texas is that you really are very independent in many ways in terms of resources, manufacturing and oil.
03:57:26.000We have enough oil in the United States to start drilling here.
03:57:30.000Gas, oil, everywhere from Montana to down in Texas, Oklahoma.
03:57:34.000But the cronies want to keep it shut down so they can make more money on their foreign investments and other form of artificial scarcity.
03:57:42.000Dr. Pachinik, I want to put bookends on this.
03:57:45.000Historic, now almost two hour interview.
03:57:49.000We're going to go into super overdrive, commercial free after this one minute break.
03:57:53.000Let's just do ten minutes together because I have to go do some media interviews.
03:57:57.000Then I want to try to call you later today if you're available so we can have a private discussion about some future things to move to get the public to wake up to what's happening.
03:58:06.000Just amazing information, but please let me twist your arm for ten more minutes on the other side so I can promise to get to Bill, Pat, Trevor, and a few others.
03:58:15.000We'll be right back in super commercial free overdrive only at Infowars.com on the streams.
03:58:47.000Again, this big event has nothing to do with war or the stock market, yet it could change everything about your normal way of life, the way you shop, travel, invest, educate your children, and even how you take care of your health and your family.
03:59:00.000Well, the man who created this video has been right about many predictions in his career.
03:59:03.000He was among the first to predict the collapse of GM, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and America's biggest mall owner, General Growth Properties.
03:59:10.000In fact, Barron's called his work a dire prophecy.
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03:59:42.000We now take you live to the Central Texas Command Center and the heart of the resistance.
03:59:48.000You're listening to The Alex Jones Show.
03:59:50.000Well, we're now entering hour number five today, and we're entering hour number three.
04:00:03.000Three in our interview with Dr. Steve Pachanek, stevepachanek.com.
04:00:11.000I'm Alex Jones with Infowars.com, and I didn't give the number out at the end of the official radio broadcast.
04:00:17.000We're now internet-only video at PrisonPlanet.tv.
04:00:21.000uh... and of course we are also audio streams at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com will be back tomorrow live as well but uh... I did uh... privately give our number here at our studio uh... to some of the callers that were holding in the last hour so they can get involved on air uh... if a few others want to try to get lined up it's 877-789-2539 but we've only got time for a few calls here but Dr. Pachinik
04:00:49.000You're letting it all hang out today and we've talked, you know, privately during the break.
04:00:55.000Believe me, this is just the beginning.
04:00:57.000There's a lot that's happened, it's compounded, but as you and I said, there is a very self-destructive element in these leaders that we've elected and that is, and Alex and I just talked about it in the private session, As people who are basically liars and contrivers and deceivers and deceptives, what happens is, like any bank robber, they eventually get to the point where John Dillinger was caught.
04:01:23.000And they get a certain thrill out of the notion that the more crises they create and the more deceptions they create, that really is a turn-on for them.
04:01:31.000And it allows them to exert the power and manipulation, deception that they're trained in.
04:02:01.000They're either panderers or they become prostitutes.
04:02:04.000But you don't expect them to affect your life in a way where you're going to be submissive to them.
04:02:10.000So when I said to Alex, and Alex agreed, and he said the point to me that through history, what happens to the mendicants who are elected and the sociopaths who come to power is eventually they self-destruct.
04:02:22.000But the important thing in this self-destruction is that we do not go with them.
04:02:26.000And under George Bush, we began the self-destruction of the United States, and unfortunately we're continuing that under Obama.
04:02:36.000And that's why I came back onto the Alex Jones Show and said, listen, this is an honest man who's done an incredible job, Alex.
04:02:44.000And basically, people who've listened, who are smart, who work hard in this country, and I've said it again, we are in a self-destructive spiral that began 20 years ago, decades ago, with liars, deceivers, And manipulators who have destroyed the integrity and viability of our country and have been reinforced by the laziness and incompetency of dysfunctional people both in the government and in Congress.
04:03:14.000Do not think that they're any better or they will become braver or more effective.
04:03:18.000Now the power has to come back to the United States of America.
04:03:22.000To we, the people, where the individual is superior.
04:03:42.000I fought for this country and I've been in eight different combat situations where my life was at risk.
04:03:48.000I don't have a problem affording myself the next opportunity to be on your show.
04:03:53.000And if it takes the ninth time that they want to take me out, that's fine.
04:03:57.000But the issue is I'm not any more courageous than an American who has to go to work, has to take two jobs, has to support his family, has to pay food prices that are 30% higher, Medicare that's unbelievably not reflective of the times where doctors have to be on call 24-7 or your father has to be a dental surgeon and has no backup and no guarantee that he will make a living.
04:04:40.000It doesn't matter what my degree is, but I am disgusted beyond belief to tell you this cannot continue.
04:04:48.000The deception and lies of just another president with another Congress and another White House creating this nonsensical psychological operation, treating us as if we were children, stupid.
04:05:02.000And the media, if they were stupid and children, and creating this ridiculous circus of nationalism, patriotism, when in fact they're cowardly, they're deceptive, they're ineffectual, and they're dysfunctional, that's not acceptable.
04:05:19.000In closing, before we take two final calls, Doctor, and this has been amazing, before we go any further, just going back to the basic criminology, the psychology.
04:05:28.000Doesn't take a rocket scientist for me to see the serial killers, they start getting wilder and wilder, wanting to be caught, or they send letters to the police taunting them.
04:05:39.000And really, I think that's what this is with these ridiculous lies, where... Well, it's of course.
04:05:46.000I mean, they want to be caught, but I will leave with two really comments I once said on your radio show, and I don't mean to be very arrogant about it.
04:05:53.000I said the voice of the people is the voice of God.
04:05:57.000Let us hear the voice of your people and the American people.
04:06:39.000Beautifully said, but I see the sickness of the modern Nero's with their megalomania through the media pushing their false realities, infecting my fellow Americans.
04:06:51.000They're trying to sell us on their delusional sickness.
04:06:53.000It's like, I'm sure you saw this, Dr. The Karl Rove quote, To the New York Times reporter where they said, you're lying about WMDs.
04:07:08.000We control reality, even if it isn't what we say it is.
04:07:11.000And he was almost trying to break their will and just say, like O'Brien torturing Winston in 1984, I don't want you to say 2 plus 2 equals 5, I want you to Remember what Thomas Jefferson said very clearly.
04:07:36.000Every generation must fight to have its own freedom.
04:07:40.000If we do not do this now, we will never do it again.
04:08:26.000Dr. Pachanik, from two sources, from a gentleman by the name of John Perkins, who wrote a book, Confessions of an Economic Assassin, and Lindsey Williams, both were on the Alex Jones Show, had indicated that back in the early 70s, Kissinger went over to the Saudis and made a deal whereby we would buy their oil if they bought our debt.
04:08:52.000And with the interest on that debt, we would build their infrastructure and their oil refineries.
04:09:01.000Flash forward to the present, now we're in a position whereby, supposedly, the elites want to implode and devalue the dollar.
04:09:12.000uh... in order to bring out bring up either a one world currency or the amero starting with that uh... and i'd like your take on that and then the follow-up question is on the banks what can we do to prosecute these criminals and bring them out?
04:09:27.000We're almost out of time, great question.
04:09:46.000I worked for Eagleburger, but you're correct in what he said.
04:09:49.000In terms of the money, I go back to the Bretton Woods Conference in the late 40s, right after the war, where all the currencies were denominated in the dollar.
04:10:10.000Everything's denominated in the dollar.
04:10:11.000No matter how you look at it, as long as the dollar is there, it will be controlled by the Federal Reserve.
04:10:17.000It will be a currency to remain there for several years.
04:10:20.000The reason the dollar's going down now, quite frankly, is really because we're in an economic war, which is an effective war against, right now, China, because we want to export our products.
04:10:50.000If they're not able, if they're not producing a body, then is that going to expand into like the courts now that they don't have to produce any body or anything to convict anybody or any DNA evidence?
04:11:06.000I mean, when you have a lie and you distort the lie and you make it into a circus, I don't know who's attending the circus and who's going to prosecute it, but honestly, with all due respect, You know, this is such a travesty of reality that I don't even know how they're going to do anything and why they should do it.
04:11:22.000Well, Dr. Pachinicka, then we'll get another question from Trevor.
04:11:24.000Hold on a second, Trevor, because I want to get this in now before I forget.
04:12:21.000Yeah, I was just going to say, you know, when I first heard it, it was a mass hysteria and I told my girlfriend the exact same thing.
04:12:30.000This is just going to justify war and torture and more war and more torture.
04:12:34.000And I'm already seeing it on Twitter and Facebook with people saying, if it wasn't for information from Guantanamo Bay, none of this would have happened, or rah, rah, rah, I don't know.