Ray McGovern, former CIA analyst and morning briefer to Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush joins Alex Jones to discuss the latest on the Green Light plan for an attack on Iran by the United States on Iran and the ramifications of that.
00:00:12.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:16.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:20.000Ladies and gentlemen, it is Friday, the 14th day of October 2011.
00:00:46.000We're going to be live here for the next three hours.
00:00:49.000This is, again, going to be one of the most important transmissions we've ever engaged in, in my almost 17 years in radio and TV broadcasting.
00:01:01.000We have Ray McGovern, former top CIA analyst, a morning briefer to Ronald Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush joining us first coming up in about 30 minutes he of course was on with us a week and a half ago and said the green light is very close to being given the most dangerous point we've ever reached with a giant Israeli US backed attack on Iran and the incredible ramifications of that.
00:01:28.000And of course, it's more important than ever with this new plot.
00:01:31.000It's come out that this used car salesman from the Texas coast, Corpus Christi, was reportedly involved in a drug deal with Los Zetas, who publicly worked for the big private Federal Reserve banks, and that none of this was true.
00:01:47.000There was an informant leading the whole thing, who himself talked about the plot.
00:01:53.000to assassinate Santa Claus along with the Saudi Easter Bunny.
00:02:02.000And you see a real shift inside the power structure right now where you've got on Infowars.com last night and today, all these links to mainstream articles.
00:02:14.000When you're on Drudge Report, when you're on big news sites all over the place, there are former Bush administration officials.
00:02:22.000Former Clinton people, anti-terrorism experts, FBI agents, Lieutenant Schaefer, who's joining us later, People are coming out of the woodwork saying this is as phony as a $3 bill, and as a pretext to back an Israeli attack on Iran, which will help Netanyahu, who's in political trouble, and he's a political distraction, and Obama, who is dead political meat.
00:02:49.000When it comes to the issue of Fast and Furious that's tied into Mexican cartels.
00:02:56.000But now it's Attorney General Holder and FBI Director Mueller, they're battling the Mexican cartels who work with those evil Iranians.
00:03:07.000Robert Baer, the big black op CIA commander, he's gone public saying this is totally manufactured and phony.
00:03:14.000In fact, I called Paul Watson this morning, and he's busy on another article on the TSA, but I need to get Steve Watson, Curt Nemo, Aaron Dykes, somebody up there at my office to do a report boiling down all the credible top terrorism experts coming out and saying this is totally phony, somebody up there at my office to do a report boiling down all the credible top terrorism experts coming out and
00:03:36.000Then yesterday we began to get a clearer image of exactly what was going on and confirmed this is about green lighting.
00:03:47.000Just because the light's green doesn't mean Israel's going to go ahead with it, but it means that they are going ahead right now with the plan to launch a strike in the next two weeks upon Iran.
00:04:17.000Uh, preparing for a response, uh, to a strike, uh, on Iran and all the ramifications of that.
00:04:22.000And then, of course, Lieutenant Schaefer coming out and saying this is about a smokescreen for Fast and Furious and about an Iran strike, uh, that he has a high-level FBI, uh, source with the highest security clearance inside the Justice Department.
00:04:36.000Uh, this shows you there's a lot of people inside the government, like the head of CENTCOM three years ago, four years ago, Fox Fallon, who refused to launch a strike on Iran.
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00:08:22.000It is, of course, Friday, the 14th day of October, 2011.
00:08:27.000And we are going to be live here for the next three hours.
00:08:32.000Joining us first will be former top CIA analyst, morning briefer Ronald Reagan and George Bush Sr.
00:08:38.000Ray McGovern, who a week and a half ago said that the strike on Iran was at its highest threat level in the last few decades.
00:08:46.000A Israeli strike backed up by U.S. support if needed.
00:08:51.000That will, of course, send the economy into a global tailspin.
00:08:55.000It'll be a nice political diversion for Netanyahu, who is unpopular, and also Barack Obama, and all of this on the heels of the latest confirmed fake terror alert.
00:09:05.000We also have coming up Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer, who's also part of some high-powered Pentagon think tanks, who's come out and said he talked to a very high-level Justice Department FBI agent with the highest-level security clearances and has confirmed that it's not in the database, it's not in the system. who's come out and said he talked to a very This is completely fake.
00:09:26.000Of course, now we have Robert Baer, the former top CIA black op commander, coming out and saying it's totally fake.
00:09:32.000We have high-level Bush administration officials, former Bush administration officials, from W's situation, in fact, the top Iranian specialist coming out on Fox yesterday, and CNN, saying it's completely fake.
00:09:47.000And it's now come out in the affidavits This guy got basically arrested under that he was a drug dealer, reportedly, with Los Zetas, admittedly trained at Fort Benning, Georgia, and part of the proxy war that Obama's running, allowing Sinaloa to ship drugs in with Los Zetas, right here in South Texas where I am right now.
00:10:10.000Uh, and, uh, in Corpus Christi, also on the coast in South Texas, that's where this used car salesman was involved, trying to sell marijuana.
00:10:17.000So they just set him up as a complete idiot.
00:10:19.000He reportedly was just a total drunk marijuana head, partying constantly, just screwing around with Los Zetas.
00:10:25.000Uh, and they set him up, and it's in the affidavits, the articles are at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, like the hundreds of plots we've seen the last few years.
00:10:34.000Where they just go out and either provocateur a complete moron to shoot their mouth off when they're drunk about blowing stuff up.
00:10:48.000And it is confirmed that this informant And again, it's in all the articles up at InfoWars.com and PrisonPanda.com just completely was running the whole thing.
00:11:19.000A, it's about launching a new war against Iran, and backing Israel's attack on it, and creating this, this announcement that, oh my gosh, we've got government-sponsored, uh, excuse me, I'm having a Freudian slip.
00:11:29.000Oh my gosh, we've got, uh, you know, Iranian terrorists everywhere.
00:11:34.000And so they tried to blow up something in Washington and assassinate people.
00:11:58.000It was scary as you blew up Panama City.
00:12:02.000So it's the same repeat that we've seen over and over and over again.
00:12:07.000The difference is, it's not just Alex Jones.
00:12:10.000Sure, three days ago I said it was total baloney, total cockamamie, hokum, garbage, disinformation, manufactured tripe, fables, delusions, a huge hoax.
00:12:48.000And then every expert they have on, former CIA black op commander Robert Baer, you know, former head of the Kilby Laden unit, Abel Danger, you know, highest level security clearance, Tony Schaefer.
00:12:59.000Colonel Schaefer coming out saying it's total bull.
00:13:01.000Talk to high level FBI, total bull, not in the system, total fraud.
00:13:04.000Top State Department officials, top former Bush administration officials.
00:13:28.000You have got to go through and just say hoax of Iran terror plot implodes and just go through it all.
00:13:37.000And the good news here is the Pentagon knows That this is not Iraq, that it's not Libya.
00:13:44.000The Pentagon knows this is not some cakewalk.
00:13:47.000The Pentagon knows there's 80 million Iranians.
00:13:51.000They lost over a million and a half people fighting the U.S.
00:13:53.000through the proxy war with Iraq, and there are 25 million people.
00:13:59.000And the Iranians are focused and ready and are going to launch absolute proxy wars all over the Middle East and Central Asia that is going to probably end up routing out globalist forces that are sitting on top of the 500 billion dollars a year in opium that our troops publicly grow and cultivate and fly out to run up your daughter and son's veins.
00:14:20.000They know the Iranians are going to just Just totally pull the stops out in proxy wars.
00:14:26.000And yes, the globalists will stage bombings here.
00:14:28.000It's not part of the Iranian strategy to strike over here.
00:14:32.000And all the top real terror experts have said that.
00:14:35.000But don't worry, the West will blow stuff up here to use as an excuse to take your rights and liberties.
00:14:42.000And so they don't care if it screws up even globalist crime operations overseas.
00:14:47.000The system needs this here as a smokescreen from the banker bailout.
00:14:51.000They need this here as a pretext to roll the TSA out on the streets with the new spy on your neighbor programs that are going on all over the place.
00:15:05.000And so they want to have the big prize be totally brought down.
00:15:09.000That's our once free republic, remember.
00:15:12.00090 plus percent of all this Homeland Security training behind the scenes was always about gun owners, landowners, people that can skin a buck, run a trot line, people that are gardening, people that don't like war, people that don't like GMO.
00:15:26.000Anybody on left, right, or center who's awake to anything is the enemy behind the scenes.
00:15:31.000I've been telling you that for a decade.
00:15:33.000Now they've come out public and said it's no longer Al-Qaeda, it's white people.
00:15:39.000And they have all these TV ads where all the terrorists are white, the minorities report them.
00:15:44.000So they've already demonized and gotten white folks to go along with giving up their rights because, you know, oh, it's the brown people supposedly that are going to get us.
00:16:03.000And I told you with Obama falling like a shooting star, and imploding and burning down, and his own party calling for him to step down and not run again, that, I said, he's got a month or two.
00:16:16.000I said he's got a month or two for a false flag, or a new war, some big crisis to make him look strong, as all his advisors are telling him.
00:16:24.000He's got a month or two max, or they're gonna go ahead and remove him.
00:16:30.000I mean, I know what's in their playbook.
00:16:32.000I said they could also do a failed assassination attempt.
00:16:35.000I've said assassination attempts are the false flag as well.
00:16:40.000We even wrote articles about it earlier this year and last year.
00:16:42.000Paul Watson pointed out yesterday, predicting this type of garbage.
00:16:46.000So notice you're hearing about assassination attempts now against the Saudi U.S.
00:17:15.000Now, when I came up here yesterday, I have amazing military sources.
00:17:20.000And then I'll also put it out open source to the general public.
00:17:26.000And I know that Israel has been saying last month, they probably are gonna go into Iran and start the bombardment.
00:17:33.000The bunker busters have been shipped over there, the cluster bombs to knock out their airfields so they can't launch retaliatory strikes on Israel.
00:17:42.000troops have been rotating and massing in Kuwait and other areas out of Iraq as the next staging ground to go into Iran because they don't want to launch an attack if it's needed.
00:17:54.000into Iran, into strategic ports and other areas, out of Iraq, because then that would elicit those old feuds.
00:18:01.000It'll be out of Kuwait and other areas.
00:18:03.000And, of course, U.S. forces wouldn't go into the whole of Iran.
00:18:06.000They would go in and hold the mountains, the passes, over some of the different straits that are needed, like Hormuz, to bring the oil back and forth or to remove and dredge that out of the Iranians, sink a bunch of ships in there like they've to bring the oil back and forth or to remove and dredge that out of There's also going to be the need to launch out of Kuwait and other airfields attacks on Iran.
00:18:30.000and So all of that is going on, and you've got the anti-Shiite Saudi Arabia totally behind this saying, we want the response, we want it to be launched.
00:18:42.000Now we've got Obama, says he's going to have a tough response on Iran's role in alleged plot.
00:18:49.000Now again, this is already admitted to be a fake plot.
00:18:52.000But the military, the brass, just like Fox Fallon knew, I said three, four years ago, it was almost five years ago, when they ordered the head of CENTCOM to attack Iran and claim that PT boats out of Iran had tried to attack him.
00:19:05.000We later learned he knew that Cheney had boats painted up out there.
00:19:09.000It wasn't just he was, Cheney was wanting it, as New Yorker Magazine reported.
00:19:13.000They staged some boats coming up saying we're going to blow you up to try to then order Fallon to attack Iran.
00:19:22.000Not because the Pentagon doesn't like war, not because the Pentagon doesn't like opium out of Afghanistan, but because they know the politicians strategically are biting off more than they can chew.
00:19:33.000And that this is going to get out of hand very, very quickly.
00:19:37.000And so, that's why you now see and hear all these people, top terrorism officials, CIA people, Pentagon folks, military, all coming out and saying this whole plot is a fraud and a hoax, because they realize how serious it is if Israel launches this attack.
00:19:54.000That's why Panetta came back 10 days ago, 11 days ago from Israel, and said Israel's totally isolated.
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00:25:29.000You know, Alex, I do important work, and I care about this country, and I want you to know that the different people in the intelligence organizations really appreciate you, and you know we're not all bad and don't want this war.
00:26:31.000But now their own people are coming out because it's more and more transparent.
00:26:38.000And also, a lot of the establishment does not want to hit Iran.
00:26:45.000They know it's like Hitler turning, in the middle of World War II, east towards Russia, or Napoleon doing it.
00:26:51.000It's biting off more than they can chew.
00:26:54.000And you had the former head of the Mossad, two weeks ago, come out and say, do not attack Iran, Netanyahu, do not do it, do not do it, do not do it.
00:27:03.000So it's not monolithic Israel wants this either.
00:28:38.000And if you're a radio listener, you're saying, what do you mean, there it is?
00:28:41.000Well, we're also streaming video via Skype up to PrisonPlanet.tv and simulcasting this entire radio slash TV show today with InfoWars Live.
00:28:51.000That's what we call the 14 plus year running radio talk show in this time slot is InfoWars Live.
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00:31:38.000And the Congress is saying, "Who do we make the checkout to?" Today seems like nobody does care.
00:31:43.000And right now in Washington, D.C., we have seen a fall of the Republic.
00:31:48.000Get your copy of Fall of the Republic on DVD at InfoWars.com or watch it online right now in super high quality at PrisonPlanet.tv Hi folks, this is Alex Jones.
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00:32:44.000Don't have to tell you things are bad.
00:33:25.000We sit watching our TVs while some local newscaster tells us that today we had 15 homicides and 63 violent crimes as if that's the way it's supposed to be.
00:33:35.000We know things are bad, worse than bad.
00:33:38.000It's like everything everywhere is going crazy so we don't go out anymore.
00:33:42.000We sit in the house and slowly the world we're living in is getting smaller and all we say is, please, at least leave us alone in our living rooms.
00:33:49.000Let me have my toaster and my TV and my steel-belted radios and I won't say anything.
00:34:20.000I want all of you to get up out of your chairs.
00:34:24.000I want you to get up right now, go to the window, open it, and stick your head out and yell, I'm as tired as hell and I'm not going to take this anymore!
00:34:45.000Now, we're joined by Ray McGovern, former top CIA analyst to Ronald Reagan, George, Herbert Walker Bush, their morning briefer.
00:34:52.000Of course, there's a lot of context inside intelligence to this day.
00:34:56.000Now, we've also had Steve Pchenik call me yesterday and say, yes, his sources have told him that they are planning, Israel is planning to strike.
00:35:05.000I also have family in the military who have been shipped to Kuwait and they're not talking.
00:36:49.000Neocons, Republicans, Israel folks, some of the defense manufacturers, not the actual Defense Department.
00:36:55.000But the entire Defense Department, from my sources that are pretty high level, public and not public, say that the Pentagon, just like Fox Fallon four and a half years ago said no, is saying do not do this.
00:37:08.000And another person telling us do not do this is Ray McGovern.
00:38:00.000And it was just yesterday that the information came out from David Ignatius, who has a column in the Washington Post.
00:38:11.000He's so close to CIA operatives that he pretty much acts as their surrogate spokesman.
00:38:17.000And what he let out of the bag was the fact that, as he put it, justice and White House officials were pretty skeptical.
00:38:28.000They considered this pretty flimsy until... CIA to the rescue!
00:38:37.000General Petraeus was able to gather information from inside Iran, mind you, that was so confirmatory that it lent credence to this, and the implausible all of a sudden became plausible.
00:38:56.000If you look closely at this, you know, used car salesman, Mexican drug cartel plot to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to Washington, it not only doesn't pass the smell test, it doesn't pass the comic book test.
00:39:09.000It would never sell in Hollywood because it's just too far-fetched.
00:39:16.000Because in my experience, which is limited compared to yours, I've never seen, though, so many known Pentagon spokespeople like Pchenik, Schaeffer, this top Bush administration expert.
00:40:01.000Iran is, you know, the devil incarnate.
00:40:05.000So, for the New York Times to be casting doubt on these reports is really a new step forward for them.
00:40:12.000I mean, it shows, to me at least, that for once, somebody, some adult at the New York Times said, hey, wait a second, you know, let's not get on board this one.
00:40:23.000After our experience with Iraq, this just smells even worse.
00:40:28.000Now, I just mentioned our experience with Iraq.
00:40:32.000Now, that was when we veteran intelligence professionals decided to form our little group for sanity because we could see...
00:40:40.000That not only the operatives on the other side of the house, but the analysts themselves were being prostituted, were being corrupted, were being forced to tell a story that was not true.
00:40:53.000Now take the story about Saddam Hussein's ties, alleged ties, with Al-Qaeda, okay?
00:41:21.000And what most people don't realize is that the first big reason for the torture, okay, Well, the torture of all those folks down at Gitmo and at Albuquerque was to get somebody, somebody to, quote, admit, end quote, that al-Qaeda was being trained, being run by Saddam Hussein.
00:41:42.000And that's why al-Libi, the Libyan terrorist, who was apprehended and knew nothing more than how to, you know, arrange flights into the training camps of al-Qaeda, why he was sent to Egypt and the Egyptians got him to, quote, confess, end quote, that there were indeed ties between Hussein and al-Qaeda and that the Iraqis were training the al-Qaeda people in the use of chemical and other weapons
00:42:14.000And of course, sir, it turned out that wall wasn't true, and KSM also confessed to bombing buildings that weren't built until after he'd been in custody for many years of waterboarding.
00:42:26.000Is this good news that so many even establishment insiders have come out saying this is a lie?
00:42:32.000Because in the past, they would go along, as you said, with any lie.
00:42:35.000Does this show that maybe certain elements tried to greenlight it?
00:42:41.000And now they're saying, don't worry, we've got more Iranian plots, and now we've got Congressman King saying, act of war, get the troops ready.
00:42:49.000Because the info I've got, and I've got family and logistics, they didn't tell me, I know they've been sent over there, but I know other military sources, they've been told, yeah, get ready to back up the Israelis during an Iranian response, get ready to drag stuff out of the Strait of Hormuz, all the things you've talked about here for years, you predicted, you said, if I was Cheney, Knowing him, he'll probably try to attack our destroyers around the Strait of Hormuz.
00:43:44.000Well, those are good questions, Alex, and I would say there's good news and there's bad news.
00:43:49.000The good news is the evidence that you adduce that everybody and his brother and sister who knows anything about Iran thinks that this is a cockamamie plot invented.
00:44:03.000And people are speaking out, as you say, even in the New York Times.
00:44:06.000Now, the bad news is that the president himself I mean, it's bad enough that the Secretary of State, who famously called for obliterating Iran, it's bad enough that Hillary Clinton and that cat's paw Eric Holder, who was supposed to be our chief law enforcement official, the Attorney General, bad enough that they come out and they make these allegations.
00:44:30.000But Barack Obama is now on record as saying there has to be accountability.
00:44:36.000And he always tries to have it both ways.
00:44:37.000I don't know if you recognize that, but he gets up there and says, yes, everything's on the table, but now we're trying to work out the really bad sanctions so that we can make these Iranians behave better and so forth.
00:44:51.000So the clear body language and everything else was sort of, yes but no.
00:44:57.000Sort of like, yes, we're going to send 30,000 more troops into Afghanistan, but no, we're going to bring them out eight months later.
00:45:38.000He feels that he needs to show himself even more pro-Israel than some of the Republican candidates, which is quite a stress.
00:45:46.000And I think that's what puts at play here, what the danger is.
00:45:50.000The danger is that he'll get into a position, maneuvered into that position by the likes of Netanyahu, who believes without, you know, with considerable evidence that if Netanyahu were to perpetrate a strike, were to, the way they would do it is mount a provocation that they would say Iran did X and Y and Z to them, and the Israelis had to retaliate.
00:46:15.000If there was a war that broke out there, Netanyahu is 99.4% sure that Barack Obama would have neither the guts nor the political courage to do anything other than to send those troops out there to help the Israelis or his cruise missiles.
00:47:08.000Why is so much of the power structure so against hitting Iran?
00:47:12.000What do they know that the Likudniks and the neocons and Representative King don't know?
00:47:19.000Well, they know what war is like, Alex, and that's a biggie, okay?
00:47:24.000You look around, Obama, and see if there's anybody around there that really knows what war is like.
00:47:30.000He did have a guy with some integrity, and that guy's name was Mike Mullen.
00:47:35.000He was chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.
00:47:37.000And you may recall him going to Israel many times and coming back and holding press conferences and saying, I told the Israelis that it would be really, really a dumb thing to widen the war in the Middle East.
00:47:51.000I told them that they could, you know, they could really perpetrate an escalation nobody wants.
00:47:57.000And then somebody asked him, Admiral Mullen, couldn't the Iranians steal off the Strait of Hormuz and prevent 30% of the oil in public trade from getting out?
00:48:13.000And then he said, oh yeah, but we could reopen it.
00:48:17.000Yeah, well how are they going to reopen the Strait of Hormuz when there are about 200 guided missile patrol boats that would sink their ships?
00:48:26.000And where are they going to get the Marines to climb those cliffs?
00:48:28.000So, Mullen knew which end was up, and so did Admiral Fallon, who famously told my colleague, we're not going to do Iran on my watch, and got fired for it.
00:48:41.000And what we have now is a bureaucrat as Secretary of Defense.
00:48:46.000And I don't know about this new general who's head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, but I knew that the fellow who was in line for it, Cartwright, was rejected, mostly by my friend Bobby Gates, because Cartwright was judged to be not quite always with the program.
00:49:03.000Not quite knee-jerking, not quite saluting as smartly and as quickly as we expect the military to do.
00:49:11.000So my suggestion is that the people that prevent it, and this is demonstrable, Alex, I think I've mentioned this before, I can demonstrate, anyone can, just by reading Bush's book, Bush's memoir itself.
00:49:25.000That we were close to war with Iran at the end of 2007 and the end of 2008.
00:49:31.000And in a nutshell, what prevented that was an honest, that's the good news, there were honest CIA analysts around then.
00:49:41.000They did an honest estimate and came to the conclusion that Iran had stopped working on a nuclear weapon at the end of 2003.
00:49:55.000Here's my final question in the time we have, Ray, and people can read more of what you're writing at ConsortiumNews.com, but expanding on this, has the green light been given?
00:50:05.000Because what I've been told is the green light, Israel said, we're going to try to see if they can drag the U.S.
00:50:10.000along, and then a lot of the administration tried to sell this Iran thing as a way to try to sell the public, and that if we don't get the word out on this being a fraud, they're going to go ahead with the attack.
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00:54:53.000Look at all the other wars we've seen.
00:54:55.000And what they do is they wear you out and just get you to where you almost just say, get it over with.
00:55:01.000But they want to go into Iran right now as a political diversion globally, to the banker bailouts, to the world depression, to all of this.
00:55:09.000We are in an incredible position right now.
00:55:12.000And the fact that you see so many prominent people coming out from the Pentagon, you name it, the CIA saying this is bull.
00:55:43.000This morning I was thinking of a way to reach out to these TSA people, because they're human beings like us.
00:55:49.000And I know, I've confirmed, they call them behind closed doors and they say, are you concerned about radiation from the machines and the x-rays?
00:55:54.000And they say yes, they give them a pink slip two weeks later.
00:55:57.000Or if they don't want to grub small children's genitals, They get fired.
00:56:01.000So they're creating an army of people that are crazy.
00:56:05.000And Boston is the airport where they tested passive MRIs eight years ago, where eight years ago they put the body scanners in first.
00:56:15.000Boston Logan is the main beta testing ground.
00:56:18.000There's four other airports that do it, but it's the main one.
00:57:00.000We're going to grab your genitals, we're going to grope you, we're going to put you through scanners, and we're going to question all of you.
00:57:06.000And they say, this isn't a response to you not liking the groping.
00:57:52.000A few exposures a year will do it in their studies.
00:57:55.000These people, in all the studies they wouldn't release to Congress, ended up getting leaked and came out, that the people around it are being baked.
00:58:19.000On Fox News, we have a clip of it, in upstate New York, having families drive under, whole car x-rays, while the military stands out under it.
00:58:27.000I mean, those people are walking dead.
00:58:32.000So these are literally, literally TSA suicide squads.
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01:00:46.000I can't even keep track of top experts coming out and saying this is totally fake and phony.
01:00:50.000We now have the affidavits they used to arrest this used car salesman, drunk pothead.
01:00:56.000He was just trying to do a drug deal with the very losses that is that the Justice Department allows to ship drugs in and ships guns into Mexico.
01:01:19.000Congressman King labels Iran a terror plot, an act of war.
01:01:22.000Says Obama should have troops on standby for a strike, not even having Israel strike.
01:01:26.000Joining us for the next 30 minutes is Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer.
01:01:29.000His bio is too long, but he ran operations trying to kill bin Laden and was blocked.
01:01:34.000He's best-selling author of Operation Dark Heart and he dropped a bombshell two days ago and we wrote an article about it at Infowars.com on Andrew Napolitano's Fox Business Show.
01:01:45.000We'll get kicked off here now saying that he has an FBI Justice Department source that told him this whole plot was not in the computer system.
01:02:34.000There's just no information within their systems indicating the backgroundness, which is a huge red flag for a lot of guys on the inside.
01:02:41.000I gotta tell you, even if there's a desire, Alex, there's really very little military capability.
01:02:47.000One of the things that was revealed to me is that, yeah, there's been a call that's gone out for capability to do something, but, you know, for better or for worse, everything is really tied up in Afghanistan right now.
01:02:57.000So, you know, there may be some elements here who are desiring the outcome when we move forward, but I gotta be honest with you, the former issue of what you said in your introduction, the issue regarding Southwest border in the Zetas, I really think is driving the trend.
01:03:11.000Okay, some stations don't carry this first five minutes, so I want to come back, Colonel, and recap all of this, but did I hear you correctly?
01:03:24.000You talked to your Justice Department source, and they said, yeah, it's not in the system, and basically, if this thing did exist and wasn't a fabrication, it would be in the system, or somebody doesn't want the investigation looked at and has expunged it?
01:03:39.000Either one of those are the options we're looking at.
01:03:50.000Especially at this point in time after this has been out in the news several days.
01:03:54.000There's normally a great deal of information showing how the investigation came to the conclusions it did.
01:03:59.000And they're telling me, and I talked to another expert this morning regarding the actual indictment and the details of that.
01:04:05.000The actual indictment will not hold up in a court of law, according to my expert.
01:04:09.000So, basically there's a two-fer here, Alex.
01:04:12.000First, there's no credible information inside the system where people should be able to find it if they have a need to know and right to know the information.
01:04:19.000And secondly, the experts who've looked at the actual indictment are telling me, this is not going to hold water when it comes to trial.
01:04:26.000So that, therefore, you know, and please don't get me wrong, I do believe the Iranians are a threat.
01:04:32.000There are things that they have done and are doing which are threatening the country.
01:04:35.000All I'm saying is, right now, this one instance does not look to be legitimate from everybody I'm talking to.
01:04:42.000Alright, well then the question is, I want to come back, Colonel, and we appreciate you joining us, to recap everything you've said and flesh it out in more detail, and then ask, why is this coming forward now, and what's the outcome going to be?
01:04:54.000Because they're talking about cooking up new plots.
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01:08:10.000My friends, in the last 16 plus years I've been on air, few things I've covered have been as important as we're covering right now.
01:08:19.000And I gotta be honest with you, as bad as things are, you don't know who's good and bad until you get to that crisis moment.
01:08:26.000And I am heartened by the fact that I have literally, without even trying, seen more than 50 analysts, and I know there's more than that, top Clinton, Bush administrations, Uh, you name it, come out.
01:08:39.000Pentagon people, Colonel Schaefer, FBI people giving him information, Steve Pucinich, uh, Ray McGovern, Bob Bair, coming out saying this Iran situation is totally, totally phony.
01:08:54.000These are not people that are, you know, peaceniks or something.
01:08:57.000The point is, why has this been manufactured now?
01:09:00.000Now, Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer, best-selling author of the book they tried to redact, Operation Dark Heart, the guy that had the top Al-Qaeda people on his sides, was barred from killing them.
01:09:10.000Pre-911, the guy that was persecuted for blowing the whistle, but came out stronger on the other side.
01:09:16.000uh... for able danger uh... you know a real patriot colonel schaefer joins us for the next next twenty minutes and then we've got gerald solynte joining us and also doctor steve pacinic who worked in uh... a lot of different black op capacities including assassinations and overthrowing governments he called me ten times yesterday morning he never ring ring ring till i got off the treadmill went over and talked to him and he said look they're trying to green light a war
01:09:42.000Yeah, you know, he has all the Pentagon sources, but I was just getting some good news from Colonel Schaefer, if you missed the last segment, saying there are people that want to launch this war, but the assets aren't there.
01:09:52.000So I want to walk through this carefully, but Colonel Schaefer, take your time because Obviously that became a big national news story when you were on Judge Napolitano's Fox Business and said your high-level Justice Department source with a high-level security clearance said it was not in the computers.
01:10:16.000You said you met with the source again today or did you say yesterday to make sure you were right about this now that it's such a big story and then your incredible Pentagon connections is this green-lighted?
01:10:29.000Because I've had family officers who were just deployed.
01:10:58.000So let's walk through here for people the magnitude of this because a lot of my sources say this is the closest we've gotten to an actual attack on Iran, and you've got Congressman King saying this is an act of war, Obama's got to get the military going.
01:11:13.000Certainly this is the biggest drum beating I've seen, and why would they use such a faulty piece of garbage to sell this?
01:11:23.000Well, first off, you know, I think it is very clear that the thing that we must do, and this I've talked to a lot of folks who are of my mind, you know, the last thing we want to do, Alex, is make an enemy of the Iranian people.
01:11:37.000The Iranian people are Persians, and frankly, they are as fed up with the theocracy which rules them as we are.
01:11:43.000The thing is, though, we cannot afford to make them an adversary in the process of moving forward.
01:11:48.000The military debate is so important at this point because some people recognize you want to have all the different components available to you to do things.
01:11:56.000At the same time, the last thing you want to do is actually do something which will enable the theocracy to actually clamp down even more on the people.
01:12:04.000That's the issue right now that I'm being told is really kind of the thing that's pushing people back.
01:12:09.000Now, regarding the history, let me be very clear for your audience to understand.
01:12:13.000Look, when I was in Afghanistan, and this is in my book, Dark Heart, we found the Iranians were up to no good as early as 2003.
01:12:21.000There's two chapters devoted to an interrogation of a U.S.
01:12:28.000His brother was working for the IRGC, and his brother was there in eastern Afghanistan, on the opposite side of the country from Iran, paying people to stir up trouble against us.
01:12:38.000So let me be very clear here, I'm not pro-Iranian by any circumstance of the imagination.
01:12:43.000I have seen what these people, what the Iranian IRGC has been doing to try to kill our soldiers, so there's no way in heck That I would ever come out for the Iranians.
01:12:53.000With that said, I think we have to understand that we're playing a chess game and simply pushing our military towards a kinetic solution is not the best solution here.
01:13:07.000And what concerns me is that, as you mentioned in the introduction, this operation just smells, this assassination concept smells of a plot.
01:13:21.000I've got to tell you, I was at my publisher yesterday in New York City, and I actually asked him, did you guys leak the outline of my next book?
01:13:30.000Because, frankly, a lot of the stuff that's in this current plot is actually in a plot line we're working on in my next book.
01:13:36.000So I've got to be honest with you, Alex, I was flabbergasted when I saw this materialize in the press because much of this is not only like a Hollywood script.
01:13:47.000Frankly, we were looking at doing something in fiction, which mimics very closely, what's going on in this so-called plot.
01:13:54.000So that's what made me just sit up and say, wow, there's something really wacky about this.
01:13:58.000Well, Colonel Schaefer, for those that don't know...
01:14:03.000A lot of times, different agencies, even different governments will use plot lines to actually carry out real attacks or fake attacks.
01:14:11.000They will also, as has been admitted for 12 years that I know of, the Pentagon, the CIA actually pay script writers to write scripts for them, quote, to be able to imagine what terrorists might do.
01:14:24.000So the fact that you went to your publisher when you were in New York to be on MSNBC yesterday, because I know you were there, you couldn't come on here yesterday, And that you're saying maybe somebody leaked your script, and then maybe the White House used it.
01:14:38.000Well, it may be, because I mean, there's so many parallels there to this thing, and I mean, frankly, what we're looking at here is a plot where 24 meets The Sopranos, which makes me, you know, obviously it's great for fiction, but I think the reality of which we're faced with is entirely different.
01:14:54.000I mean, and let me tell you, as an intelligence professional, This used car salesman would be the last individual in the world that I, as a professional intelligence officer, would direct to get in contact with a drug group to become a group of assassins.
01:15:09.000Let me tell you, on the face of that, you know, that is beyond any operational knowledge that any intelligence officer would do.
01:15:17.000You just don't trust someone with that lack of focus and training to do something that would be that key and critical to an assassination plot.
01:15:27.000Wouldn't you normally go after well-performing former military people or doctors or engineers or people that have shown that they're focused and professional?
01:15:36.000There's a term, and you've used it before, called vetting.
01:15:38.000One of the things, one of the key elements of any successful intelligence operation, you can ask Bob Baird this, Bob would probably tell you the same thing.
01:15:45.000The key to a successful intelligence operation is vetting of an asset, to make sure that you test them adequately, to understand, to make sure that they will do your bidding when the time comes.
01:15:55.000And frankly, this guy was, as far as I could tell, I wouldn't have used him to do basically a dead drop for me, because I think he's not even that reliable.
01:16:05.000And the second thing that you need to look at, and I hope your audience looks at very hard, is the wire transfers.
01:16:10.000My goodness, you know, since the beginning of the current war, everybody's been looking at high-dollar transfers of money.
01:16:18.000So, again, an intelligence organization with the professional background of the IRGC or the Coups Force, you know, I think they watch us very closely.
01:16:27.000So for them to make an amateur mistake tells me one of two things.
01:16:31.000There was a radical element within the Quds Force who was just doing this on their own and really kind of wanted to discredit the other side.
01:16:37.000And let's not forget that within the Iranian government there is a huge conflict going on between Ahmadinejad and the other folks who want to do different things.
01:16:49.000So this could well be good news by the fact that there's a visible break within the government and someone there did this trying to prove a point.
01:16:58.000But, on the other hand, this could be, again, a provocation by someone here who basically wanted this to be caught.
01:17:06.000And again, I've talked to a number of intelligent professionals, many of which, Alex, are... And again, like you've already said, these guys and gals are not pro-Iranian, but they've told me, based on their experience, because I wanted to make sure I wasn't crazy, that based on their experience, this basic format does not add up to any
01:17:31.000But it is, but it does fit the format that we've seen hundreds of times the last few years of the FBI setting up mentally ill patsies or just purely setting people up.
01:17:41.000And as you mentioned the affidavit, it's in the news today with those that have seen the affidavit that it was the informant running the whole thing.
01:17:49.000And this was just some idiot trying to be part of a drug deal and make some money and it isn't even designed to hold up later.
01:17:58.000So I want to, Colonel Schaefer, I want to go back here specifically because this is what everybody really wants to understand.
01:18:03.000Tell us as much as you can about your high-level FBI Justice Department source with a security clearance.
01:18:09.000You said you've met with them again just to make sure what they told you was correct.
01:18:13.000You said in the last segment that yes and more.
01:18:17.000What are they telling you about this not being in their files, not being in their computer system?
01:18:22.000Well, there's three things that are notable.
01:18:24.000First, obviously, if you're on the inside, this is kind of common sense.
01:18:29.000The first thing you're going to do if you're a security expert with an interest or responsibility in terrorism, you're going to look at this to see if it means something to you directly.
01:18:37.000So, a lot of these guys will sit down and go through, because they had the clearance to start doing research within a classified realm and find out what's going on.
01:18:43.000Well, the first point, Alex, was when these friends of mine decided to go check it out, it's like, There's nothing there.
01:18:49.000And that's highly suspect because normally the government, especially inside, wants to brag about what it's done well.
01:18:55.000And oh, by the way, if there's a threat that's derivative of this that you need to be concerned about, they put it out there.
01:19:00.000So, again, in this case, there's nothing really out there from what they're telling me.
01:19:04.000Now, again, I don't have direct access.
01:19:12.000And let's remember that all this really started transpiring in September, but really wasn't revealed until, you know, a couple days ago.
01:19:18.000So that's the first indication that something is not quite right.
01:19:20.000Secondly, relating to the fact that this is a Southwest border thing, they feel that this may be distracting directly from other things going on.
01:19:31.000Now, their view of it is that this is actually something trying to draw attention to the Zetas because there's a competing drug group in the southwest border that the Mexican government is now going after.
01:19:43.000And basically they're telling me that they believe that the Zetas were pointed out specifically in this because there is a desire to kind of prop them up and draw more attention to them.
01:19:54.000So they believe, my inside guys think, that this may be a plot to try to draw attention to this one drug group over one of the competing drug groups, and I have to get Well, let me get you details, sir.
01:20:07.000The only reason I'm a quote expert is we've been following it.
01:20:10.000I'm down here in Texas and Celica still was a DEA agent they set up for guns.
01:20:32.000The feds have now declared national security in Chicago and have said basically it's true.
01:20:38.000And then they're given the thousands of guns that are directly given to them by ATF, and this is confirmed going back at least since Obama got in, but some of it goes back further.
01:20:48.000And so what you just said there with Zetas and Sinaloa, there's a lot of heat on Sinaloa right now, and there has been this move to try to focus it over On to Zetas, but also notice it lets the Attorney General talk about fighting Mexican cartels and just muddies the water with people that are barely paying attention.
01:21:08.000Oh, that's the Attorney General fighting the Mexican cartels with the Iranians, you know, who are involved instead of what is the Justice Department doing shipping guns to Sinaloa.
01:21:20.000Right, and that is exactly the point they brought up to me, saying that they think that that's the real issue behind what's going on.
01:21:26.000And the third point goes back to the extension of the point we just talked about.
01:21:30.000We need to be looking at what's going on in that area, because frankly, you know, if the Iranians, even if this was a real plot, the fact that they would try to direct someone to the southwest border should indicate that there may be a weakness there that we need to look at.
01:21:42.000So basically, the three points are, you know, first off, there's just not sufficient information In the classified system that would go with a high profile case of this nature, both from the derivative, hey, look out for this because something may happen on your watch, and by the fact that there's no information available, kind of filling in the rest of the details for those who have the clearance.
01:22:03.000Secondly, they believe this links directly to the Zeta issue, trying to draw more attention to the Zetas.
01:22:09.000Over this competing group and third, they believe that the fact that this is all transpiring on the border should give everybody pause and really make everybody look down there.
01:22:20.000And one of the things that they didn't tell me this, but it's a saying that I've always lived by.
01:22:26.000One time, Senator Trent Lott told me in the Fox Green Room He said, Tony, no matter what they're talking about publicly, the real issue is something else.
01:22:34.000So frankly, Alex, I think what we need to be looking at is what is the other issue here?
01:22:40.000Or is it a bait and switch getting us to look at a different direction regarding the southwest border issue?
01:22:46.000But any way you look at it, any way you cut it, Uh, the real issue is somewhere else out there, and this is why I encourage you and your listeners to actually encourage, you know, the government owes us more explanation on what's actually going on, because at this point in time, nothing seems to add up.
01:23:04.000And you just raised a point that I thought about privately but hadn't raised.
01:23:09.000And it may have gone over some people's heads who were just driving down the road, not really listening clearly or closely.
01:23:15.000But a lot of times when the establishment knows there's about to be an attack, And they want it to happen for political purposes, or they don't think they can stop it, whatever the case is.
01:23:24.000They will focus attention onto Apache and a region, so that when the attack comes, they say, see, we tried to stop it.
01:23:32.000And I think that's what you were basically starting to allude to.
01:23:38.000This is, again, a concern from the folks on the inside.
01:23:40.000It's like, if they're saying this, and this looks so hokey, there may be a reason why they're getting people distracted to do something here.
01:23:50.000Now, they don't know of any other attacks or anything else.
01:23:53.000We're just focusing on a specific issue.
01:24:12.000This is where we've done things like this before.
01:24:15.000And it's very important for your listeners to understand that they need to demand accountability.
01:24:21.000And frankly, I'd like to believe the intelligence officers you've talked to, you know, one of the reasons I'm speaking out, is that our government owes us a fair and true accounting of what they're doing to defend us.
01:24:32.000And more importantly, the evidence they bring forward Should be ironclad to the truth, not some fiction that they've brought up or put together based on the fact that they've taken people of diminished capacity and tried to prop them up as a threat.
01:24:48.000Well, Colonel, that's my next point for you, and this is the heart of it then.
01:25:48.000Why on earth, if this was that key an issue, would you wait almost two weeks before talking about it to the American people if this is really that credible a threat?
01:25:58.000Secondly, the timing, you know, I don't believe, after being in this town for the past 25 years, I don't believe in coincidence.
01:26:07.000I don't believe that somehow, out of the goodness of the DOJ's heart, that Eric Holder then said, we need to get the word out because it's the right thing to do.
01:26:16.000I do believe that the information coming out the day before the additional subpoenas were coming over from Congressman Issa's staff, It was meant to be sexy.
01:26:25.000They don't want to have people talking about this.
01:26:27.000And frankly, this was such a provocative concept.
01:26:31.000And again, let's look at the Hollywood value of this, Alex.
01:26:41.000You're talking about multiple countries, international intrigue, characters that came out of central casting, all coming together for something that was like throwing red meat to lions, and I think that's what they were hoping for here.
01:26:57.000And I think they overplayed their hand, which is probably good for all of us.
01:27:02.000All right, Colonel, the book is Operation Dark Heart, best-selling, available on Amazon and everywhere else.
01:27:09.000In the two minutes we've got left, this is very encouraging, unless I heard you wrong earlier.
01:27:16.000You're saying, from your Pentagon sources, they're saying we just don't have The capability right now to back up Israel in an attack, but Israel sounds like they are going in.
01:27:26.000We saw Panetta 11 days ago say Israel's more isolated than ever.
01:27:30.000What is the, in two minutes, the analysis from your perspective on where we're going with Iran, where Israel's going?
01:27:40.000First off, the Iranians do pose a threat.
01:27:42.000They have a theocracy which hates us and everything we're doing, and they are developing nuclear weapons.
01:27:48.000Look, I spent a week last week working with National Defense University on an exercise regarding electromagnetic pulse weapons, which we believe the Iranians are developing, which could do huge damage to us, but I don't believe they would draw attention to themselves at a time to try to develop a secret weapon.
01:28:02.000I just don't think that's in the cards.
01:28:03.000And frankly, this administration has been more forgiving to them than any other, so I don't think they'd want to prompt anything going against that.
01:28:09.000With that said, I think we are overstretched.
01:28:12.000People are telling me that while there may be desire, there's no capability to go in and do the level of strikes necessary to take these things out.
01:28:20.000And lastly, we've got to figure out a way to help promote the citizens of Iran and their desire to be free without jeopardizing our own security.
01:28:29.000So that's the tight wire we have to deal with.
01:28:31.000But you're saying the word from all your inside sources is that they're not going to go into Iran.
01:28:41.000I gotta be honest with you, I have no information on that right now.
01:28:44.000All I know for sure right now is that there was a call for capability and basically the answer came back, uh, everything from Iraq has either been re-put into Afghanistan or is basically so broken you can't use it.
01:28:55.000So that, that is the way I'm hearing it.
01:28:58.000What about troop buildups in Kuwait and other areas?
01:29:02.000Alex, the troops are always going to be there in some form.
01:29:04.000The question obviously becomes, do they do a surge or not?
01:29:07.000And frankly, I think a surge would be picked up on pretty quick if they started doing that.
01:29:11.000At this point, I have no indication from my guys that they're going to be able to do that.
01:29:17.000Okay, well that's certainly good news then, I mean from your camp and from your sources, that there have been calls for this, we know King's calling for it, he wants troops standing by the congressman, but you're saying that that isn't the direction that this is going in right now?
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01:33:55.000And I am on the road today, joining you from right by the border, down here investigating the national news stories that we're all covering here today.
01:34:04.000The TSA is announcing in Boston, where they made a test, that they'll now ask you where you're going, what you're doing, and if you're a terrorist, all part of training you that you're the bad guy.
01:34:14.000How about asking them, hey, you're caught stealing all the time, you're caught being pedophiles every day.
01:34:29.000If you go to DrudgeReport.com today, if you look on the right-hand side, third link down, and you click on that link, it says, House Bill would criminalize satire of the Transportation Security Administration, the federal out-of-control power grabbers.
01:34:46.000On September 22, 2011, When Kurt wrote this article this morning, I went and checked.
01:35:20.000They're like God behind the holy veil.
01:35:22.000You don't even go in there unless you're a high priest groper of the TSA.
01:35:26.000So go read that article, just absolutely incredible.
01:35:31.000It says any imitation of TSA, FAMS, FAM, words or initials or likenesses of a transportation security administration or federal air marshal service logo or insignia or any item of apparel in connection with any advertisement, circular, book, pamphlet, software, other publication, or with any play, motion picture, broadcast, telecast, other publication, or with any play, motion picture, broadcast, telecast, or other production.
01:36:05.000They better be God because I call them the walking dead.
01:36:08.000What was the term I used today for them in Boston where they tested the body scanners eight years ago and they have three to eight times the different types of cancer increases.
01:37:53.000The difference is this plot has got people left, right, center, you name it, intelligence agency people, retired, high-level experts.
01:38:04.000I already listed it earlier, coming out and saying this is manufactured, this is a fraud, the affidavits have now been seen, total setup.
01:38:11.000It is just crazy what's happening now.
01:38:15.000Now they're calling it the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression.
01:38:18.000Now they're admitting we never left the recession, when they called Gerald Salente a pessimist porn dealer, when they called me a lying kook.
01:38:26.000The truth is the system knows what it's doing, but it's busy robbing everyone.
01:38:31.000Gerald talked about the euro falling apart three years ago.
01:38:35.000But the White Shoe Boys, as he calls them, want to get more power out of the crisis that they have created.
01:38:41.000So Gerald, there's a lot going on in the world I wanted to get you back on because so much has happened and the establishment lackeys are trying to launch this new war.
01:38:51.000What do you make of this and what do your other analysts there at the Trends Research Institute make of this, Gerald?
01:38:57.000Well, it's exactly what you said, this latest Iranian fabrication, and how they keep teaching us to hate the Iranians.
01:39:06.000What have they done to us recently, you know?
01:39:09.000Other than us trying to steal their oil going back into the early 1950s, when a we along with the we.
01:39:17.000With the CIA and the MI5 over there in the UK, overthrew the democratically elected government of Mosaddegh in 1953, because Standard Oil and British Petroleum, of course they were Anglo-English, I believe, Anglo-Iranian in those days, who were controlling the oil fields.
01:39:40.000So really, I mean, Iranians didn't invade Afghanistan, I don't believe the Iranians invaded Iraq either.
01:39:46.000Didn't the United States start a war against Iraq and Iran?
01:39:50.000Oh, and the Iranians, they didn't invade Libya, did they?
01:39:53.000So these terrible Iranians, so now we're getting, they're prepping us to hate the Iranians again.
01:39:59.000And when all else fails, They take us to war.
01:40:02.000This is what we wrote in 2008, when the TARP program began.
01:40:08.000We said they were building the bailout bubble, and when all else fails, you can see it happening.
01:40:15.000The crash of 29, the Great Depression, currency wars, trade wars, world wars, the panic of 08, the Great Depression that we're in, The currency wars.
01:40:29.000The Senate just passed a currency bill against China.
01:40:34.000China has responded that trade wars are beginning.
01:40:39.000The financial cabinet minister of Brazil, Montego.
01:41:04.000Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, now Saudi Arabia, Libya, Syria, Bahrain,
01:41:12.000Morocco, Algeria, Nigeria, Somalia, Ivory Coast, go over to the UK, riots in the streets this last summer, over in Spain, take a trip over to Greece, hey, now right here in the USA, this whole Occupy movement, it's in Denver, it's in Portland, it's in Seattle, it's in San Diego, it's in Los Angeles, it's in...
01:41:41.000Auburn, it's in Trenton, it's in Atlanta, it's everywhere!
01:41:47.000Birmingham, Phoenix, San Diego, Sacramento, it's spreading!
01:41:54.000The First Great War of the 21st Century has begun!
01:42:00.000And Gerald, when people lose everything, they lose it.
01:42:05.000We've just been covering common sense history.
01:42:07.000You've been boiling it down in a very concise way.
01:42:10.000But then you and I still, and others, get demonized by the establishment.
01:42:16.000They think they have more credibility because they're always proven wrong.
01:42:20.000But as you've said, they're not really wrong.
01:42:31.000I mean, how long can the, you know, limp-wristed establishment whore media pacify people when everything they say is basically a twisted lie?
01:42:42.000I mean, how long could the prostitutes keep playing prostitutes?
01:43:45.000It may not, you know, this might not be it, but when you put the Tea Party together, you put this together, You look at all the social unrest around the world.
01:43:56.000No, what they're going to do, what the media is going to do, is they're going to prop up the war machine.
01:44:03.000Just like the toilet paper or record does.
01:44:06.000Look how they got us into this Libyan war.
01:45:01.000They're all coming out saying it's phony, it's bull, it's a distraction for Fast and Furious.
01:45:06.000That's one of the first times I've seen where the teleprompter readers don't know what to do when every analyst they've got on is saying this is baloney and actually thinking about government staging a crisis for political control.
01:45:19.000So that shows that reality is really starting to seep in on the prostitutes.
01:45:42.000Hillary Clinton, that Rice over there, Samantha Rice over at the UN, or whatever her name is, something Rice, and powers, and national security.
01:45:54.000These three women are the ones that pushed it on us.
01:47:27.000They're already saying You're right, they're already saying, well you don't buy this, we've got more fake Iranian stories about to come out.
01:48:13.000It's in the El Paso Times, Chicago Tribune, four or five other big papers have been doing series on it.
01:48:19.000But it's not just ATF ordering gun shops to sell guns to Illegals and drug dealers, that's a cover story.
01:48:26.000The ATF in one shipment alone, it's now in the court record admitted, shipped 2,000 guns to Sinaloa drug cartel and allowed them to ship tons of cocaine in to launder it through U.S.
01:48:54.000Now the criminals want to stick their hands down our pants.
01:48:57.000Now the criminals want to set up checkpoints on the highway.
01:48:59.000Now the criminals, I mean, they've got checkpoints now 100 miles into Texas, where they just let the illegals drive through, but pull citizens out of their cars, put dogs in them.
01:49:09.000They ask me, they say, I want to search your car.
01:49:10.000And I say, the government deals drugs.
01:49:12.000The Border Patrol is in the government documents letting through certain shipments.
01:49:21.000And where is it going with these crooks?
01:49:23.000Because, Gerald, they know we're waking up to them, and so they're just trying to waddle in now and say, we're taking your rights, because look, hand puppet, scary Iranian, he's going to get you.
01:49:32.000And they're doing it worldwide, by the way.
01:49:34.000They're doing it in Italy, they're doing it in Spain, they're doing it in the UK.
01:49:39.000They're cracking down more and more on the people as they keep losing control.
01:50:04.000We heard Timothy Geithner going over to the European Union meeting over there and telling them to get their act together and straighten this mess out.
01:50:33.000What I'm trying to say, Alex, what I am saying, Alex, is they're diverting the attention away from the big issue, and the big issue is this.
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01:52:34.000They wish to hide themselves during this tectonic battle between the forces of freedom and darkness.
01:52:40.000You are the response to the globalist technocrats and their program of global eugenics dehumanization and ultimate extermination.
01:56:16.000They're criminals and they're trying to... They're criminals and they're trying to break our will and train us that we are their prisoners.
01:56:24.000So what do we do about it, Gerald, and where is it going?
01:56:27.000My only solution, and I keep talking about it, is direct democracy.
01:56:32.000Because any adult thinking that, oh, we're going to give Congress a list of our demands.
01:56:39.000Oh yeah, the bananas and the Gambinos are going to become nice overnight and listen to you?
01:57:53.000We've got 15 more minutes with Gerald.
01:57:54.000I want to talk about the trends you see coming in the future, because so often we talk about, okay, things are unfolding as you said they would.
01:58:03.000We're going to break here in a moment, but go ahead and tell us about your latest trends journal and the best way to visit the website, Gerald.
01:58:10.000Well, the new Trends Journal is going to be out next week, the autumn edition.
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02:00:55.000We'll come back in the next segment, Gerald.
02:00:56.000But getting into future trends, I mean, you say, well, you're heartened by people actually getting in the streets, even if they're not completely focused.
02:01:06.000But you were acting like you didn't predict that.
02:01:08.000I mean, you did say four or five years ago you started seeing taxpayer rebellions, and that's the Tea Party.
02:01:15.000And we have the Occupy the Fed movement going after the White Shoe Boys.
02:01:19.000What do you predict coming up in the future, Gerald?
02:02:19.000I'm still very heavily invested in gold, and now I've bought some silver.
02:02:26.000And I'm back in silver because I'm concerned that just as they throw these false flags out there, they're going to start blaming people who buy gold and speculate in the market for crashing the fiat currencies.
02:02:42.000So as you well know, they regulated the supply and sale of gold before, and I'm concerned they might do that again.
02:02:51.000So that's why I'm in both precious metals.
02:02:54.000Well, I tend to agree with you, Gerald.
02:02:59.000They're really starting to beat the drum in that direction.
02:04:51.000I want to come back and talk more about trends you see coming up and finish up with the austerity measures hitting Europe and now the United States.
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02:08:09.000Okay, it's our final segment with Gerald Cilente, and coming up at the bottom of the hour, part two of our interview, live, we'll be talking to Dr. Steve Pachanik again about this attempt to move us towards war with Iran.
02:08:22.000As Ray McGovern and others have concurred, this is the closest to war we've been, they've tried several times, we'll talk about the ramifications of that, and hit some other important news that's at InfoWars.com and PrisonPlanet.com, but finishing up with Gerald Cilente, who just joined us, he was getting into The fact that the mainstream corporate prostitutes, as he calls them, continue, and Osama bin Bernanke and the rest of them, to tell us, another one of his funny phrases I love,
02:08:52.000continues tell us everything's fine there's been no recession it's been over for years but now they're starting to say well it's the greatest challenge since the Great Depression and their answer is let these big banker heads steal trillions out the back door have record bonuses but then bankrupt the banks and and and get more taxpayer money and then lecture us how it's our fault And that's the only problem with Occupy Wall Street.
02:09:16.000Some of them don't understand higher taxes, higher regulation, that all goes to the white shoeboys, to the insiders, to the establishment types.
02:09:27.000And again, white shoeboy, another great Gerald Cilente term.
02:09:30.000But that's kind of the white tuxedo boys.
02:09:33.000I mean, these are the so-called elite of the elite.
02:09:36.000They think we exist to be toilet paper for them.
02:09:39.000And there's no end to their hubris and raw criminal behavior.
02:09:45.000The good news is, I'm reading in Spain and in Greece and other areas, restaurants are all refusing to even charge the VAT, period.
02:09:52.000You got Herman Cain pushing for new VAT taxes to pay off our quote debt here, he meets the fellow reserve he worked for.
02:09:59.000And so they're going to squeeze and squeeze and squeeze.
02:12:07.000Well, Gerald, here's my next question for you.
02:12:10.000I have USA Today here in my hot little hand, and they're saying now, starting at Boston, but then all over the country, they're going to stop and talk to you and ask you where you're going, why you're going, who you're going to visit.
02:12:26.000They call it a chat down, but they're also going to keep the groping of the genitals, The wave, shish kabobbing, and now you're going to have to have a TSA person, the people literally every day caught robbing and pedophiling and everything else.
02:12:42.000They're now saying that you're going to have to answer these guys' questions.
02:12:46.000Listen, that's worse than being put in a barbecue machine, having them act like I've done something wrong.
02:12:51.000I mean, should I say to them, I need to assess, are you one of these myriad TSA that are pedophiles or that are robbing people's bags?
02:12:58.000I mean, this is all about a secret police.
02:12:59.000Now the NFL, Are gonna grope from the ankles up and grab your breasts and genitals.
02:13:07.000It's not that I'm not tough, it's that I want to get angry when somebody sticks their hands between my legs.
02:13:13.000Okay, that's for my... Again, Gerald, how much do we have to take from this bureaucratic, snot-nosed class that works for these filthy bankers?
02:13:39.000You know, hey, does your mother still have sex with dogs?
02:13:42.000I mean, that's what I'd like to ask them.
02:13:45.000I mean, what's going on in this country?
02:13:47.000We got a bunch of people that are trying to break down our will and our spirit, rob us of our self-respect, and they're doing it because the system is collapsing.
02:14:03.000And so what they're going to keep doing, as you said, they're going to keep groping and getting inside us as close as they can to break down our will and spirit.
02:17:39.000They are occupied now in Seoul, in Sydney, in Melbourne, in Taiwan, in London, in Tokyo!
02:17:50.000They are picking up the greatness of the American spirit That they have been trying to push down for so long with their stupidity and with their manipulation.
02:18:11.000They're not going to be able to co-op Occupy Wall Street completely.
02:18:13.000They're not going to be able to co-op the Tea Party completely.
02:18:15.000They're not going to be able to have minimum wage people groping us, making us submit.
02:18:20.000It only makes us wake up and take action.
02:18:23.000Gerald, again, I know you've got several URLs to get to the Trends Journal.
02:18:26.000Which one is the best one for people to go to?
02:18:29.000TrendsJournal.com, TrendsJournal.com, and also for those people that believe or want to learn more about direct democracy, please go to DirectDemocracy.org.
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02:24:07.000Gerald wanted to clarify as he went to break it.
02:24:11.000It's directdemocracynow.com is the website he was promoting.
02:24:15.000You know, I don't particularly like direct democracy versus a republic.
02:24:19.000The problem is we don't even have a republic.
02:24:21.000So my concern is during a crisis, the globalists could manipulate people into stampeding into anything.
02:24:31.000But as long as there were basic Rules, that's really what a republic is, where you can't take somebody's private property if it wasn't taken through ill-gain.
02:24:44.000I mean, I see some of the groups take over.
02:25:31.000I mean, it's just mindlessness, but pretty mild stuff on there.
02:25:37.000But the British News is reporting the royal family didn't like reports on press TV about their opulent lifestyle.
02:25:45.000And so it's been taken off the air in the UK.
02:25:48.000And I was talking to one UK channel that wants to put my TV show on, and they said, but the problem is the censors call, and they could take our whole channel away if we criticize vaccines.
02:25:58.000They told us, just don't talk bad about vaccines.
02:26:01.000I'm like, well, what if you have proof?
02:27:21.000Neither do Watsons, or Dyches, or Stevie Watsons.
02:27:30.000Records Talk Radio, they've gotten an intelligence agency connected group, a huge contract to record quote all internet broadcast talk radio and put it into a database to track all the good little slaves.
02:27:43.000Also, assassination plot was pushed by DEA informant, meet the new boss same as the old boss.
02:27:50.000Some pothead being lured along, but we got to have more with Iran now because the pothead said it was going to get us.
02:28:52.000So Democrats went from praising it two weeks ago and last week to now all over the country breaking up the camps and getting rid of people.
02:28:59.000Because too many Ron Paul supporters showed up sort of educating them.
02:29:02.000So now they've shifted from trying to make it about, we want more taxes to pay Warren Buffett and Lord Rothschild!
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02:32:59.000We are in process of developing a whole series of techniques which will enable the controlling oligarchy to get people actually to love their servitude.
02:33:14.000People can be made to enjoy a state of affairs which, by any decent standard, they ought not to enjoy.
02:33:23.000Perhaps you had better start from the beginning.
02:33:40.000Too many kids are what's making the planet worse.
02:33:43.000A lot of these kids come from bad gene pools.
02:33:46.000They don't have stable parents making good decisions.
02:33:50.000Mercury-containing vaccines may help not harm kids, according to two new studies in the journal Pediatric.
02:33:56.000These new studies suggest that the opposite, that the preservatives may actually be associated with improved behavior and mental performance.
02:34:03.000Chloride in water is supposed to fight tooth decay, but could it also cause cancer?
02:34:08.000Turns out the government has the right, under U.S.
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02:34:16.000We have to work with dark side, or we're going to spend time in the shadows.
02:34:20.000Any attempt to achieve world order must be the work of the devil.
02:35:01.000You have found at the front lines of the Infowar in the fight for worldwide freedom and defense of our constitutional republic.
02:35:09.000Our websites are InfoWars.com and, of course, PrisonPlanet.tv.
02:35:13.000And we'll be back tonight, 7 o'clock Central, 8 o'clock Eastern, with Aaron Dykes.
02:35:17.000We'll be hosting InfoWars Nightly News this evening, and they'll have a rundown posted later in the day at InfoWars.com with what's coming up.
02:35:25.000Now, I want to attempt, it's not hard to give him the floor, because he's got a lot to say, to ask a few questions of Dr. Pachanin, and then have him just go through them.
02:35:34.000Obviously, co-author of many best-selling books with Tom Clancy.
02:35:38.000He's produced movies, TV shows, but he's less known for being involved in programs with the death of, basically manipulating the communists, of the Prime Minister of Italy, overthrowing other governments, writing psychological warfare manuals for the State Department, running operations himself, including assassinations worldwide.
02:36:00.000So he's a real insider expert on what's happening.
02:36:03.000And we saw Dr. Pachinik come out yesterday.
02:36:05.000We've seen Bob Bair, the former CIA black-op field guy, come out and say this whole Iranian plot's totally fake to get us into a war with Iran.
02:36:13.000We've seen Colonel Schaefer come on earlier and say he's no fan of Iran, but this is totally sage.
02:36:19.000Then he has FBI sources that he met with again who've got high-level security clearance in the FBI.
02:37:26.000And is it good news that we're seeing, I counted up yesterday and today, more than 60 former and current top analysts, Pentagon and CIA, State Department, all coming out.
02:37:40.000And going against the teleprompter readers, they're all saying war, war, war, Iran wants to get us.
02:37:45.000But all the analysts, I mean, I'd say 90% I've seen are saying this is total baloney.
02:37:51.000I can't think of a time where I saw that.
02:37:53.000I talked to Colonel Schaefer earlier, he said his Pentagon sources say they don't have the assets, even if they wanted to do it, it's not happening.
02:38:01.000But other sources like Ray McGovern, who was on earlier, he says the word is they're really going for it.
02:38:06.000So let's see what Dr. Pachinik has to say.
02:38:09.000Sir, you've got the floor for the balance of the 22 minutes we've got left.
02:38:18.000Number one, I think the fact that 60 to 70 analysts came forward is in part, you have to take some credit at stations, people like you and others who are willing to brave the psyops of not just one administration.
02:38:22.000forward is in part you have to take some credit at stations, people like you and others who are willing to brave the psyops of not just one administration.
02:38:34.000We're going all the way back to the Clinton administration which did the rendition.
02:38:34.000We're going all the way back to the Clinton administration, which did the rendition.
02:38:38.000By the way, Bill Clinton reaffirmed that his wife was correct about the assumptions.
02:38:38.000By the way, Bill Clinton reaffirmed that his wife was correct about the assumptions.
02:38:42.000This is one of the biggest pathological liars in the world, reaffirming another pathological liar statement.
02:38:48.000So you see what we have of compounding pathological liars.
02:38:51.000Then we have Bush Jr. who made up all of the 9-11 standout false flag distorted the intelligence data coming in to invade Iraq and now you have Obama following in the course of Bush Jr. and Clinton and what's happening in the United States.
02:39:07.000And I'm very proud of our analysts, our intelligence operatives out there, and particularly the military who have said this is enough.
02:39:15.000Many generals and colonels and non-commissioned officers can't stand out right now because they don't want to be boiled on charges of treason.
02:39:25.000I do not speak on their behalf but I do as a former veteran, a former colonel, retired, say the following.
02:39:32.000The American public has had, is disgusted with the elected officials, both Republicans and Democrats.
02:39:38.000What we have not heard was any one of the Democratic senators, congressmen standing up and denouncing what was clear travesty of justice.
02:39:48.000At the same time, we have not heard, I have not heard, Romney or Perry say anything, let alone Perry, who's the governor of your state.
02:39:56.000And by the way, we do have an invasion but ironically, it's not Iran because Iran doesn't need They do not have targeted assassinations here.
02:40:05.000The targeted assassinations I dealt with in Iran, with the MEK, which is called the Mushradin, and we have people like the former FBI Director Freeh, And others, including a Dean, Howard Dean, supporting the delisting of a terrorist group, which is literally a terrorist group, killed a lot of my operatives in the 1970s and 80s in Tehran, who are in fact assassins.
02:40:35.000I don't excuse Ahmadinejad, I don't excuse Khamenei, but I have worked against them, but I have worked effectively against really an assassination group Which is, and still is, the Mushahadeen.
02:40:48.000So, what we have here is distortion, fry-up, disinformation.
02:40:52.000What we have on the other side, the incredibly great news, is that you, and I give you a lot of credit, and your audience, and the 10 million people who are listening, that they're being informed, and that the alternative media, which is what we're considered, or the conspiracy group, which is what we're titled, is really, in fact, the mainstream media.
02:41:10.000And the people that you see, and I was quite impressed that CNN did bring in an analyst, Who announced this.
02:41:17.000I was very impressed that Abramson, the new editor-in-chief of the New York Times, did run this article on this wayward bum, really Iranian, who no Iranian official or operative would ever use this type of individual to engage in any form of counter-terrorism or terrorism.
02:41:38.000Now, the issue there was it was so obvious because the DEA is an organization which should have been evaluated And literally downsized very quickly.
02:41:48.000It is a corrupt, ineffectual organization.
02:41:51.000I have dealt with them in Panama and elsewhere.
02:41:57.000They themselves are exceedingly corrupt, but nobody monitors them.
02:42:00.000And our congressmen and senators are not capable of monitoring them, as is the ATF, another organization that has absolutely no utility whatsoever.
02:42:09.000We've talked about the CIA and the fact that they've been out of control for a very, very long time.
02:42:15.000I've said repeatedly that Obama's parents had nothing to do with the false birth as much as his mother was CIA, his grandfather was CIA, and his grandmother.
02:42:25.000The question is, this president does not belong here.
02:42:28.000He has shown repeatedly that he is incapable of managing a domestic economy, he is shown incapable of running and understanding what it means to have a healthcare program, And he has been in bed repeatedly with the bankers.
02:42:42.000And the worst banker of all, and the worst wealth manager, was Warren Buffett, who's now playing an amazing game of PsyOps with the young protesters in New York and Chicago.
02:42:55.000This is a man who claims that he will increase his taxes, and of course only pays 17% of his taxes, that would be $69 million.
02:43:03.000But didn't tell anybody that he also invested in the Bank of America five million billion dollars with an 8% interest.
02:43:10.000He didn't tell you that he owned 40% of booties, which went under, and he was guilty of criminal activities, but was never indicted.
02:43:18.000Well, he gets the banker bailout money, but Steve... No more war.
02:43:42.000But in fact, their entire future is being co-opted by a man who has never served our country, Obama, who never will serve our country, who has always been a panderer, a liar, And ineffectual.
02:43:56.000And now to have placed another element of disinformation on top of the Osama bin Laden stupidity, which was beyond disinformation and a total disrespect for our special forces, who in fact have been involved in 24-7 operations all over the world.
02:44:14.000And that's not to denigrate the SEALs, because the SEALs are quite formidable.
02:44:18.000For Admiral Mueller to make a show-and-tell out of this, a man whose father was an agent in the William Morris Agency or a publicist, and to promote his own self-aggrandizement by touting SEALs who, in fact, never did kill Osama bin Laden because the man's been dead for 10 years.
02:44:36.000What we have here is a problem in civilian control.
02:44:41.000What we have repeatedly has been the failure of the political establishment, starting from the Clinton era, To Bush Jr., to the Obama era.
02:44:51.000And that failure, it delegitimizes the political entity, whether you're Republican or Democrat.
02:44:57.000I do not see a very helpful future in our politicians.
02:45:02.000I have not seen Romney, or Kaine, or Perry stand forward.
02:45:06.000Above all, in this area, for example, you are now being occupied in Austin, Texas, and you probably know this, Alex Jones, by one of the cartel members, which is called the Familia Michoacana.
02:45:16.000The FLM cartel, which is literally in Austin, Texas.
02:45:26.000I have not heard Governor Perry say anything about the fact that you have an active cartel working in American soil in Austin, Texas, yet they have all the time and effort to try to start a stand-down phenomenon in order to bail out Netanyahu.
02:45:54.000And I knew of his brother, who was a very brave soldier in the Israeli Defense Force, who led all of his men into battle on the raid of Antepe.
02:46:04.000And Netanyahu has no shame walking on the body of his brother, on the blood that his brother shed in order for him In order for people to be saved in the Antebi Raid.
02:46:20.000He is a totally dysfunctional, self-aggrandizing politician who has had very little strategic sense of where to go with Israel or to take the opportunity to make peace with the Palestinians.
02:46:32.000Now every time he denigrates Hamas, I warn the Israelis to be very careful because when I worked on the West Bank, The first thing that the PLO members told me, working in Jericho, and sacrificing my life in Jericho, Bethlehem, and Belzec, is that the Israelis had created Hamas as a counterforce to the PLO.
02:46:57.000Because they needed a counterforce to the Sunni Muslims, and this Gul Pamas would have influence from the Iranians.
02:47:04.000So they thought this was a very clever game, and what happened is it's a blowback.
02:47:08.000So for Netanyahu to say that we have a terrorist group that wants to exterminate the Jews, it's fallacious, it's disinformation, and it has to account for the fact that the Israeli IDF and the Shin Bet, the internal security, created Hamas as a way of creating low-intensity conflict, or as Kissinger would often say, strategic tension in the area, to maintain the sovereignty of Israel.
02:47:33.000Now those of you who think Israel has always been a Jewish homeland, For the Jews, better think again.
02:47:39.000Israel was created by Zionists, not only Jews.
02:47:42.000They were created by Polish Jews, Ben-Gurion in particular, who allowed millions, millions of Jews to perish in the death camps because Eichmann, who came in 1937, by the way, spelt Hebrew, asked him, would you do a transfer exchange for thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of Jews, for transportation trucks?
02:48:43.000They went to our President of the United States.
02:48:46.000And the working with Nixon, Nixon provided them with jet planes and the necessary equipment that they needed in order to be a major force in the area.
02:48:54.000From a strategic point of view, Israel is no longer a valuable ally to us.
02:49:01.000Because it has created a lot of problems.
02:49:03.000It has not, in fact, committed itself to what it should have done many years ago, and that was the recognition of the State of Palestine, the honorable release of the Gaza Strip, which was absolutely inhumane for them to restrict because it happened to all the Jews.
02:49:21.000In part, this was the result of the incompetence of a lot of our negotiators.
02:49:26.000In particular, I can name Dennis Ross, who worked for me.
02:49:29.000He worked for the Bush administration.
02:49:31.000The Clinton administration and he has been totally, totally incompetent to handle this situation.
02:49:38.000What happens is, because Bachanek is on a cell phone and when he's dialed in he can't hear me when I talk, so we're going to go to break here in a moment and I'll come back and ask some more questions, but interesting stuff he's getting into on Israel.
02:49:55.000You were saying a lot of really interesting things there.
02:49:57.000You know, I've actually had Jewish scholars I've seen write the books about the, I'd rather have cows in Palestine than one Jew, and they were trying to make the Jews pay money to the folks setting up Israel to be able to get out of Nazi Germany.
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02:54:22.000Alright, we're back live, and I actually can't go into overdrive today.
02:54:25.000I'd like to invite Dr. Pachinik back on with us for another 30 minutes.
02:54:29.000Next week, if he can do it, he's joining us via cell phone, so sometimes he can't hear me when I'm talking to him.
02:54:34.000Doc, you know, I read on your Wikipedia, I mean, of course, you don't know if that's true, a lot of stuff on Wikipedia about me isn't true, but it talks about you were born in Cuba, then lived in France before you came to the U.S., and that you yourself were at least part Jewish, so I guess that might be, if that's true, one reason you're so informed.
02:55:52.000They didn't really care about religious Jews or the Jews in the camps.
02:55:56.000What they had in mind in the Zionist Socialist Organization was to have young Jews, people who could build a country, and at all costs, and then go to war.
02:56:08.000What Israel has never done, repeatedly, was one, to admit the genocide that they officially recognized years ago, against the Palestinians.
02:56:17.000There is no question that the Haganah and the Palmach and different units of the Israeli army at that time had slaughtered and forced people who are now considered Palestinians out of the land, out of Jaffa, out of the different areas of Israel.
02:56:34.000And if Israel is to come to terms with anyone in the Middle East, they have to, number one, admit what they have done.
02:56:41.000Number two, come to terms that they are a nation, not a spoiled child, as Erdogan say, of America, and continuously whining and complaining and holding on to the Dennis Rosses and the Clintons and the Presidents of the United States, threatening them that the Jewish vote in the United States will not back them.
02:57:03.000JSTAR started, there are many American Jews and others like myself who know the history of Israel so well, that it's really quite shameful.
02:57:11.000Let me ask you a question, and I want you to answer because you're an extremely knowledgeable man.