Alex Jones and Max Keiser join host Alex on the show today to discuss the latest in the latest government cover-up, and how the mainstream media is covering it all up. Alex also talks about how the government is spying on all of us, and what we should do about it.
00:00:46.000The 14th day of December 2011, and the news just gets more insane by the day.
00:00:54.000Congressman Issa, the guy that's now said he's not going to move forward with trying to impeach or prosecute the Attorney General, the Attorney General over law enforcement, federal law enforcement, a total criminal on record, a serial perjurer, a false flag terrorist, Who has been caught red-handed shipping guns into Mexico, cocaine back into the country.
00:01:17.000That's in all the federal court hearings.
00:01:33.000And Holder was arrogant in the hearings and didn't care.
00:01:40.000Pointed out that Bush ran similar operations, and so the Republican Party says back off, because they're involved in it all as well.
00:01:50.000And so even if Issa himself isn't involved in all this, the Republican Party says stand down, they stand down, and now the sky is the limit of what Holder can do.
00:02:01.000You know, they had a big phone takeover drill a few days ago that scared everybody in New Jersey when the government hijacked their phones.
00:02:09.000They spun it to say, oh, it was just the provider that did it.
00:02:12.000But now, government fear-mongering alerts to go live tomorrow.
00:02:18.000In test cities like New York, where they're going to break in over your phone.
00:02:22.000The government said it won't just be text in the future, your phone, your phone call will be disconnected.
00:02:27.000Whatever you're doing on your little handheld computer, that smart device, and it will be videos of the president or videos of the police chief and at Walmarts and...
00:02:36.000Malls and on the street corners, big telescreens saying, trust no one but government.
00:02:40.000I mean, these are already going in at thousands of locations.
00:02:45.000I mean, it's like they went and got some dystopic science fiction movie of a nightmare police state future and said, let's just have it be outrageous.
00:03:21.000And that there's no due process, and the government and private corporations can just shut down anything they want, and they've already admittedly been grabbing sites, many of which that are totally innocent, but are destroyed.
00:03:35.000Because in a message board, somebody links to a place where there's some copyright music, or a copyright article, and then none of it's even proven.
00:03:46.000This is another form of their tyranny.
00:03:49.000Internet taxes, internet tracking, all of this is now unfolding.
00:03:53.000So that's just one of the articles we have.
00:03:57.000We have a gentleman that comes highly recommended from Oath Keepers, who's a former East German government individual, and he is going to be Talking about the parallels with what's happening here in the United States.
00:04:15.000A member of Texas Housekeepers was a lieutenant colonel in the East German Army when communism collapsed and the Berlin Wall came down in 89.
00:04:23.000So he can tell you all about the Stasi and the rest of it.
00:04:28.000He's going to be in studio because he lives in Texas.
00:04:31.000And then of course we have Max Keiser joining us in 30 minutes.
00:04:36.000The rats are leaving the sinking ship.
00:04:40.000On the case of MF Global, I'll give you that good news.
00:04:43.000On the other side, I saw this at Zero Hedge last night, up at Infowars.com.
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00:08:31.000It is Wednesday, the 14th day of December, 2011.
00:08:38.000And we have another just incredibly important broadcast wind up.
00:08:42.000You know, I've tuned into older archives of 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 years ago, 10 years ago, 16 years ago, and I didn't start most broadcasts saying, a very important transmission today.
00:08:52.000And I said that sometimes, and it's always important.
00:08:56.000But now, who can deny the news just gets wilder and crazier every day.
00:09:03.000World developments are coming so quick.
00:09:07.000The world is in so much turmoil and upheaval and on the edge of major multi-region wars, they call those world wars by the way, that words really cannot describe how amazing what's happening is.
00:09:23.000Now, Let me just mention the news that's coming up.
00:10:17.000And illegals know how to work the system.
00:10:19.000That actually, on average, I've seen the breakdowns, you can pull them up, the Justice Department admits it, they go out and do get jobs, and then go, under two or three aliases, and get welfare.
00:10:31.000And then, they're so entitled, and actually so filled with the victim psychology, and a liberation theology by the Ford Foundation run government, that they actually believe that they're entitled to more.
00:10:46.000And the big collectivist government is going to give it to them.
00:10:49.000And the paralyzed American population, no matter what color your race, color or creed is, you are to be nailed to the wall and sucked dry.
00:10:58.000And then the country will implode into third world destruction, and the illegals will have all their goodies cut off, and if they go out and protest, they'll be machine-gunned by the paramilitary police, just like they are in Mexico.
00:11:34.000The police would line me up, break my nose, and say, we're going to put you in jail, guero, gringo, and then we're going to take every bit of money out of your bank account and you're never leaving this prison.
00:11:46.000And our media wouldn't say a word, the State Department wouldn't say a word.
00:11:49.000If they did, they'd say, That's what a piece of trash white person deserves.
00:11:53.000Of course they do it to Hispanic Americans as well.
00:12:40.000Here in Texas, they give illegals driver's license on record.
00:12:44.000I've had R. Day Cerveda in studio before, the police chief, saying, well, we need to be able to track these people and have them in the system.
00:12:50.000And with that, the bank account, everything.
00:12:53.000And again, no other country in the world does this.
00:12:56.000Total red carpet, and now what are people saying?
00:13:18.000And as the government ships guns into Mexico, on record, as I told you two years ago, we even had a state senator on who had seen the secret documents at the state level, to have Mexico implode and use that to declare martial law on the Southwest.
00:13:31.000This is all a plan to destroy Mexico and the U.S.
00:14:17.000The feds won't enforce their own federal laws, and they won't let the states enforce laws, and total lawlessness is here.
00:14:24.000But wait, it gets worse, and I'll get into the big news.
00:14:27.000Of course, you heard on Monday, we reported on the LA Times article about Air Force Predator drones tracking citizens in rural areas under the North American Rural Council.
00:14:42.000We don't have 50 governors anymore, we have 10 governors appointed by FEMA.
00:14:46.000And under the John Warner Defense Authorization Act, it says for insurrection against the other states.
00:14:51.000But the Governor Council will speak, that they will arrest governors if need be.
00:14:56.000Just, you saw it in Europe, when the Presidents and Prime Ministers wouldn't hand their country over and waive all their rights on debts they didn't owe.
00:15:04.000They were removed by the militaries quietly, in places like Greece, the military was on standby, and they put a Goldman Sachs operative, one of the former heads of the ECB, European Central Bank, in charge!
00:15:54.000And the open announcement of world government run by six megabanks with Goldman Sachs as the commander.
00:16:03.000I liken it to the frontline Field Marshal, or the Darth Vader to the Emperor Palpatine that's JPMorgan Chase, who they literally take their orders from.
00:16:28.000And again, you can't argue with the fact these illegals, now already voting all over the country, The state of Texas is like, okay, we're going to need to check citizenship, you know, with the ID before you can vote.
00:16:39.000And the Justice Department was here yesterday.
00:16:41.000The guy that ships guns into Mexico to kill thousands, the guy that ships cocaine to the U.S., the mastermind of Oklahoma City, he's here.
00:17:23.000They are understanding exactly what's going on.
00:17:26.000The commenters are like, all over the United States in state law and common law, if people's cows come onto your property, you own them.
00:17:35.000And that goes back to the damage they cause and the trouble and you're not keeping your fences up.
00:17:39.000That's an old common law thing of possession being nine-tenths.
00:17:42.000So the police show up and demand to be let onto the property and the family says no and the family gets all upset and reportedly had firearms in their vehicles so they call in the Air Force and the drone And Homeland Security, and it tracks the evil family who are anti-government, and the SWAT team raids them.
00:18:32.000Oh, but don't worry, the North Dakota family, and if you put the article up on screen, you can scroll down, we can see these evil people who, by the way, didn't have any criminal record.
00:18:40.000These evil people who said, look, there are cows, they keep busting through the fence and coming over here, they have a 3,000 acre farm, and the cows keep eating their farm vegetables, and that's when, under law, you can take them.
00:18:53.000Quite frankly, my grandfather had some bulls that would jump fences, and the neighbor, after a couple times, went ahead and took them.
00:19:01.000And my grandfather never even went and asked for him.
00:19:08.000But nowadays, well, you just call in the predator drone.
00:19:11.000How many millions of dollars does that cost?
00:19:13.000Again, because they've passed in the Senate, we've got, now they're trying to pass it tomorrow in the House, in the conference, before it goes to Lord Obama's desk, the NDAA, the National Defense Authorization Act.
00:19:26.000And when we come back, I'm going to get into that.
00:19:29.000Forty members of House protest indefinite detention bill, and we reportedly have until tomorrow, because the House already passed one version, the Senate did.
00:19:36.000Now it's in conference, they're looking at both pieces of it and trying to integrate it, and then it'll go to the President.
00:19:46.000And by the way, now you've got the Senators who've been involved in it, Graham, McCain, And others coming out and saying, yes, it affects citizens and Obama!
00:20:01.000Here's the memo, asked it be added, that it be for U.S.
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00:25:28.000And the articles are all, they lived on the 3,000 acre family farm the police call a compound.
00:25:34.000Because they had different houses on it.
00:25:37.000Oh my gosh, the father and his wife and the three sons and some of their wives live there, farming!
00:25:44.000And of course we had an ADL report yesterday we covered on the nightly news and Paul Watson wrote about it at Infowars.com, a secret meeting with citizens in the Sheriff's Department about small government terrorists.
00:25:58.000And the manual says if people are talking about small government, Report them!
00:26:58.000Brossarts, a North Dakota family deemed so dangerous the local sheriff needed to unleash an unmanned predator drone to help bring them in.
00:27:07.000The Brossarts allege crime they wouldn't give back free cows and their calves that wandered onto their 3,000 acre farm this summer.
00:27:16.000The same aerial vehicles used by the CIA to track down and assassinate terrorists and militants in Pakistan and Afghanistan are now being deployed by cops to spy on Americans in their own backyards.
00:27:37.000And they'll sit there with a straight face and tell the judge, I want him to go to prison.
00:27:40.000The judge's like, you bet we want him to.
00:27:42.000What do you think, in America you're gonna videotape us in the city street?
00:27:46.000You don't do nothing but pay our salary, slave!
00:27:52.000Continuing here with the article that goes on, the brosarts of the first known suspects of the high-flying new surveillance technology the federal government has made available to some local sheriffs and police chiefs, all without congressional approval or search warrants.
00:28:07.000We don't need no stinking congressional approval to launch wars, or shut down coal power plants, or Have U.N.
00:28:14.000oversee elections, or do whatever we want, or kill U.S.
00:28:40.000I mean, they just know exactly what they're doing.
00:28:43.000And you've got all your excuses of why you do all this, and why you need all the surveillance, and violate our rights, how it's all for the good of America.
00:28:51.000Everybody knows in their gut, it's pure baloney.
00:29:49.000I got footage of cops pulling people over.
00:29:51.000They've got to sue some rule book and they start heavy breathing and have to rest on the car in fear going, I can't believe we found one boss!
00:29:58.000I can't believe we found... We're on the march.
00:30:49.000And the Congress is saying, "Who do we make the checkout to?" Today, it seems like nobody does care.
00:30:54.000And right now in Washington, D.C., we have seen a fall of the Republic.
00:30:59.000Get your copy of Fall of the Republic on DVD at InfoWars.com or watch it online right now in super high quality at PrisonPlanet.tv Hi, this is Alex Jones.
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00:32:10.000A very wealthy US citizen is predicting that in 2011, we will witness the most important day in America in more than 50 years.
00:32:18.000He says it will change everything about our lives.
00:32:21.000The way you shop, travel, invest, educate your children, and even how you take care of your health and your own family.
00:32:26.000Now this man has made some outrageous predictions over the years.
00:32:29.000The crazy part is, he's usually right.
00:32:31.000You see, he predicted the collapse of GM, Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and America's biggest mall owner, General Growth Properties.
00:32:38.000In fact, Barron's called his work a dire prophecy.
00:32:41.000Recently, he created a video, which you can watch online for free, detailing his biggest and most important prediction yet.
00:33:22.000Live from the InfoWars.com studios, it's Alex Jones.
00:33:28.000All right, Max Keiser is going to be with us about 15-20 minutes in the next hour.
00:33:33.000He's going to join us here in about five minutes and then go right through the next hour.
00:33:35.000And we're going to open the phones up next hour for Max and then continuing into the third hour when a former East German colonel, Army colonel...
00:33:44.000Uh, who's part of Oath Keepers, is gonna be here to join us in studio.
00:33:48.000He lives here in Texas now, uh, to, uh, break down the horrors of, uh, collectivism and, and the, and the police state.
00:33:56.000They hired Marcus Wolf, uh, eight years ago to help set up what is Homeland Security today.
00:34:05.000And when I first saw that in the news, I didn't believe it, and I actually went to the Congressional Homeland Security funding numbers, and he was paid over a million a year For at least three years consecutively after that to help set up everything.
00:34:20.000That's why you're like, wow, it's just like the Stasi, you know, the biggest police state ever known in East Germany.
00:34:26.000It was kind of like the Nazis merged with communism.
00:35:07.000We'll put on screen for PrisonPlanet.tv viewers an article that went up yesterday evening.
00:35:12.000That's a problem with InfoWars.com as we write so much and do so much research that there's updates at 6am, 10am or so, noon, 2 o'clock, 4 o'clock, 6 o'clock, and Watson tends to be working at midnight over in England, which is 6 o'clock here.
00:35:27.000Central, and that's when that article went up, it was later in the afternoon, his time, our time, night time, his time, it didn't get much attention.
00:35:34.000Sheriff's Department sponsors secret meeting on small government terrorists.
00:35:38.000We've got the ADL training manual there with the mayors and the local constabulary to literally make them feel like they're part of the authority system and they sit there with straight face and bad mouth.
00:35:50.000People that talk about cutting government in any way are what they call Terrorist and we can click on it and actually show you the manual there that the ADL gives them and I see this in our local news the ADL is advising police and schools And then you find out they're training the school kids to spy on their parents and stuff.
00:36:10.000I mean it's so over-the-top That this is going on investigative researcher and director of special projects ADL location Carmelo, California The Sovereign Citizen Movement is a loosely organized collection of groups and individuals who have adopted a right-wing, anarchist ideology.
00:36:34.000Its adherents believe that virtually all existing government in the United States is illegitimate, and they seek to restore an idealized, minimalist government that never actually existed.
00:37:16.000And I had to go research it because it sounded so crazy.
00:37:18.000And George Humphrey, an economist, former city council guy, he told me about it.
00:37:22.000But I remember ADL and Southern Poverty Law Center stuff just three years ago saying there are crazy people that claim the mortgages have been sold over and over again and that they're taking houses that they don't have mortgages to.
00:37:48.000And they took his house that was paid for, threw this fraud, and when he sued them over it, they arrested him, charged him with some paper terrorism thing, because the judges and everybody are so evil.
00:37:59.000And he went to jail, I think it was for 14 years.
00:38:03.000Anyways, I just had another remembrance here of just how evil it is.
00:38:07.000And they sit there, but see, now it doesn't work.
00:38:12.000I know there's cops all over the country listening.
00:38:14.000Do you remember just three or four years ago and before that being taught, these dangerous crazies claim the mortgages are a fraud and they don't owe them?
00:38:39.000Now it's all over thousands of newspapers admit it.
00:38:43.000We knew what we were talking about again!
00:38:46.000Now are there people out there who try to investigate the law themselves and don't know what they're filing or how they're filing it or kooky groups that You know, file bonds and demand $10 million from the government.
00:38:57.000Yeah, there's some of that, but the vast majority of it is real and legitimate, and it's people, even in their own manuals, they say that are losing everything and who are desperate.
00:39:19.000And as they squeeze and squeeze and squeeze, and as 11% of Texas has arrest warrants out for them, and as the government can engage in any crime they want, I mean, look at that quote right there.
00:39:33.000Where they said they believe the government's illegitimate.
00:39:36.000Well, the founders did the Declaration of Independence.
00:39:38.000Everything that the British government was doing is exactly what our government is doing, but more.
00:39:45.000Our government He is shipping guns into Mexico and drugs back into the country, and it's in all the federal filings, and was finally in the New York Times two Sundays ago.
00:40:01.000I mean, the British were doing all sorts of corrupt stuff and insider deals and taxes and things, but they weren't giving 10,000 guns to the Indians to then attack their own settlers, to take the settlers' guns.
00:40:18.000I mean, you read the Declaration of Independence, everything they list, the government's doing today.
00:40:26.000You know, they had a big debate in Philadelphia a month ago, and the BBC headline was, is the Declaration of Independence illegal?
00:40:33.000And they actually had newspapers in the US come out and say, no, and agree, it's illegal, as the BBC said, because you're not allowed to tell a sovereign government it's ever wrong.
00:40:43.000Really, then Stalin, Mao, Hitler, they were all good.
00:41:07.000And so the ADL's running around everywhere teaching the police that we're terrorists because we're telling people this, and that our words are terrorism?
00:41:14.000Okay, I'm going to stop right there, and I apologize to Max for having him hold eight minutes.
00:41:51.000We just have incredible information coming up.
00:41:53.000But I wanted to get Max Keiser up to get his perspective on this and we've got some other bombshell gun control gun grabbing news uh... going on but before before we do that I just want to preface here and then go to Max and play the video clip.
00:42:09.000This is out of the Financial Times of London.
00:42:17.000CME chief alleges Corzine aware of transfers.
00:42:22.000Now, they had prepared at the big commodities exchange group, the old mercantile out of Chicago They had prepared, to put this in layman's terms, and then we'll get Max Keiser's expert take on it, a prepared statement for the head of the CME Group, who had said that everything that was going on in the commodities was insured, on record.
00:42:44.000And now they're talking about $1.2 to $3 billion missing.
00:42:47.000First it was $600 million, then $900 million.
00:42:49.000And that's back in USA Today, they're saying it's at least $1.2 billion or more today.
00:42:55.000Corzine's been to two different committees, he's got one more, he gets up there and says, I know nothing as the CEO, I don't know where the money went, and I never said take it, and no one knows where it went, as if the government doesn't know where the transfers went.
00:43:06.000It's reportedly JP Morgan, that came out.
00:43:08.000But it's just like, everybody plays dumb.
00:43:32.000So the CME had its prepared text, and I have that up at InfoWars.com.
00:43:40.000Here's the headline, presenting the three unscripted sentences that may have cost Corzine his freedom.
00:43:46.000And the head of the CME Group is saying he was in on the meetings and that he was told Corzine was the one that ordered the money to be transferred out.
00:43:53.000I'm going to play the clip in a moment.
00:44:12.000When it's Corzine, why should he lie for Corzine?
00:44:14.000So the rats, just like in the Justice Department on Fast and Furious, are turning on each other.
00:44:18.000Now the question is, will they just say, well he doesn't matter if he ordered it and has been caught lying as if we don't know he ordered it?
00:44:24.000Go ahead and let Corzine, the big White House advisor, get away with it.
00:44:27.000I give you Max Keiser until the bottom of the next hour.
00:44:30.000Graciously joining us at MaxKeiser.com.
00:44:33.000American broadcaster, filmmaker, former equities broker.
00:44:35.000Keiser is the host of On The Edge, BBC, Press TV, RT.
00:44:39.000They invented the virtual trading system used by many stock markets around the world today.
00:44:59.000Well, this is what I'm hearing, basically, over at MF Global, is that Corzine, of course, being somebody who doesn't really know how to run a brokerage business, he was speculating in his firm, MF Global, and he rang up about a billion, billion and a half dollars in losses
00:45:26.000And it was going to come to the point where he'd have to call up his creditors, which in this case is JP Morgan, and tell them that he was going to go bankrupt, that he wouldn't make good on that collateral.
00:45:40.000At which point Jamie Dimon told John Corzine, either take that money out of your customer accounts, or we'll kill you.
00:45:49.000So he threatened to kill Corzine if he didn't take the money out of the customer accounts, and Corzine did exactly that.
00:45:56.000He took the money out of the customer accounts, and now the customers don't get their money.
00:46:00.000By the way, Max, you don't make stuff up from the time that I've talked to you.
00:46:04.000Sometimes you joke around and stuff, but when you're serious, you don't really toot your horn a lot.
00:46:08.000I mean, you know George Soros, you know his son, you know, I mean, High-powered people like Steve Forbes see you and walk over and recognize you.
00:46:15.000You worked at the highest levels of this.
00:46:35.000JPMorgan is the boss and then of course below that is their mafia Don Goldman Sachs and you're saying JPMorgan told him, Jamie Dimon told him, you do this or you're gonna sleep with the fishes.
00:46:49.000Right, ask John Perkins, Confessions of an Economic Hitman.
00:46:54.000This is the way American banks do business around the world, now they're doing it in America.
00:46:59.000Just like America flies drones around the world, now they're doing it in America.
00:47:03.000America tortures and kills people around the world, now they do it in America.
00:47:07.000So it's just like Madoff, it's just like Madoff.
00:47:10.000I mean, now it's been admitted, and federal courts are even having to admit it, that, wait a minute, he moved a bunch of money to people and warned people, and he was really just a front man, as you said a year and a half ago, for bigger interest.
00:47:22.000And the same thing you said years ago was, you know, they're basically told, you take the fall or you're dead.
00:47:33.000It's interesting that Madoff, Lehman Brothers, AIG and MF Global, all of them run through the City of London because only in the City of London is it possible to re-hypothecate, that is to say re-loan securities out Putting up no collateral whatsoever.
00:47:55.000They have a situation there which is infinite hypothecation.
00:47:58.000In America, you can only lend out 140% of customer accounts for loans.
00:48:05.000So there's no fractional reserve banking in the City of London.
00:48:09.000That's absolutely correct in this context.
00:48:13.000And that's why AIG, Lehman Brothers, Madoff, and MF Global all go through the City of London.
00:48:19.000Which is why when David Cameron recently had his kerfuffle in Brussels where he said, I'm going to safeguard the City of London and I'm not going to be part of your treaty revision.
00:48:32.000Well, what he's saying is that his masters, the people in the City of London, Who are a part of this, the epicenter of the Global Financial Terrorism Network, are telling David Cameron that in no circumstances will they ever allow anyone to regulate them in any way.
00:48:52.000So Cameron dutifully ran back to London with his tail between his legs doing the bidding of the Financial terrorists in the City of London, which gave us, again let me repeat, they gave us MF Global, AIG, Lehman and Madoff, and they are the epicenter of this meltdown that's happening now.
00:49:10.000What's happening in Europe, as everyone can see, is the banks are melting down.
00:49:15.000No matter how much money Let's say the European Central Bank makes available to try to smooth out the problems in these European banks, the hedge funds and the private equity managers can create ten times that amount of credit default swaps used to Crack that bond market to get those yields high to crush these countries because they want to buy all the assets for pennies on the dollar.
00:49:46.000They're giving away assets for pennies on the dollar.
00:49:48.000They want to do the same thing in Italy.
00:49:50.000They want to do the same thing in Spain and France.
00:49:52.000And they use these credit default swaps again.
00:49:56.000What's the point of always raising taxes and regulations till all the small farms and businesses go bankrupt is so that then you get to own those and now they're sharecroppers, they're now renters, and what they previously owned, and that's what's so scary, Max, for at least 15 years, quietly behind the scenes, the entire architecture is to wage war on rural communities in the U.S.
00:50:21.000These interest rates on these European bonds, they keep going 6, 7%, 8%, which we hear is the unsustainable levels that are guaranteed for a deflationary implosion.
00:50:32.000It's because no matter what anyone does in the governments, the private equity and the hedge fund managers, which are bigger than any governments, use naked swaps and credit default swaps to crush the bond market to get those yields high to bankrupt these corporations.
00:50:48.000And they're able to do it through the loophole that is the City of London, which allows you to borrow an infinite amount of money with no collateral whatsoever.
00:50:57.000I understand you're giving us how the scam works, but I want to get into specifically, and the video clip's coming up in the audio, the magnitude of the head of the CME Group, the big commodities umbrella, Not lying for Corazon and saying Corazon's lying in correctional testimony.
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00:54:20.000Alright, Max Keiser will be with us at the bottom of the next hour.
00:54:37.000Going back to him here in just a moment, and he's getting into the technicals of how this inner group of six big banks and brokerage firms can just create unlimited capital.
00:54:46.000And that's how they get away with all this.
00:54:47.000And now it came out in Reuters, Bloomberg, you name it, that JPMorgan got the money.
00:54:53.000And then they just said, well, never mind that.
00:54:55.000We're not even going to say that didn't happen, but we're just going to say we don't know where it went.
00:55:00.000And then they kept saying, you'll get your money back.
00:55:01.000Now they say you're not going to get it back.
00:55:03.000And then Corzine gets up there and says, I don't know where it went.
00:55:07.000And now the head of the CME group has come out and said, I was in the meetings and he, uh, I was told that he's the one that gave the orders.
00:55:14.000Of course he gave the orders as the CEO.
00:55:19.000He's the former head of Goldman Sachs, but notice it's JP Morgan telling the Goldman Sachs people, and I want to nail Max down on specifically the thing of, you're dead if you don't do this.
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00:56:43.000Yeah, are you saying your sources told you that the head of Goldman, that the head of J.P.
00:56:49.000Morgan told the former head of Goldman Sachs, the head of MF Global Corzine, you give us our money, pal, or you're gonna sleep with the fishes?
00:56:57.000Yeah, I mean, look, the timing of it during the testimony is the CME head, as you pointed out, was talking about the fact that they were quite aware of this for three weeks.
00:57:10.000And the point kept being made that this is not an accounting error.
00:57:15.000It was a blatant disregard of the law where they came in and they took customer money.
00:57:20.000Yeah, they did this because Diamond put a gun to us head and said, either you do this and make us whole, or we're gonna blow your fuckin' head off!
00:57:27.000Hold on, hold on, hold on, Max, we can't talk like that.
00:57:30.000This is actual broadcast radio, so we had to bleep that out, okay?
00:57:34.000All right, but you're saying sources told you this?
00:57:39.000Because back in the year 2000, during the passage of the Commodity Futures Modernization Act, it made all derivatives trading what no longer was considered gambling.
00:57:51.000Up until then, they were considered gambling, but under that new legislation, they were no longer gambling, and it gave precedence to all derivative contracts above all securities, all cash, all banks.
00:58:00.000Whoever's wielding derivatives has the law on their side.
00:58:05.000So Diamond says, we are the derivatives wielder.
00:58:27.000Morgan was manipulating the silver market.
00:58:28.000He walked out of that hearing and got hit by a car!
00:58:30.000Well, look at how they killed, uh, look at how they killed, look at how they killed Madoff's son a week after that newspaper interview got published.
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01:02:11.000As it becomes clear now that anyone who owns GLD does not own anything but a piece of worthless piece of paper, people are now liquidating GLD and SLV, which is JP Morgan's custodian silver vehicle.
01:02:25.000That's why gold and silver are down today.
01:02:31.000The money stolen from MF Global in the commodity accounts relating to silver, if you do the accounting, is the exact same to the gram amount that JP Morgan just reported on their books that they increased the amount of silver.
01:02:43.000They are short silver, as reported on your show many times.
01:02:46.000They need silver desperately or they'll go out of business.
01:02:49.000The Comex, again, risk of going out of business.
01:03:00.000Because they don't want to have to suffer any consequences for being a licentious, litigiously, larcenistic, assassination crew of gangsters who want all your frickin' money!
01:03:17.000I mean, they run the world, they run the major militaries, they have nuclear weapons, and they say it all the time, we have nuclear weapons, we can do whatever we want, and they're crazy And they're hiring cops and enforcers and bureaucrats that are crazy.
01:03:30.000And I run into bureaucrats and cops and people, not all of them, but a lot of them, and they're like crazy now.
01:03:51.000I mean, Diamond and Lloyd Langfine and Wall Street and the City of London, they're just greedy.
01:03:56.000I think what happened going back to 9-11, it scared the heck out of them.
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01:08:29.000East German Army, he was a colonel, and he was at the main base, Leipzig, where they refused to fire on the German citizens that caused the fall of the Berlin Wall.
01:08:42.000He's a part of Oath Keepers, and it's on record that all this happened.
01:08:47.000Amazing, because before that, they would shoot the people trying to cross.
01:08:51.000There's a famous photo from the 60s that my mother brought me back from Germany, and I put it in storage, and now I can't find it.
01:08:59.000That was a big poster, blow up of the photo.
01:09:01.000And it's of the barbed wire there in East Berlin, and it's a woman, and she's gone through, and the toddler has gotten caught in the barbed wire, and he lifts up the barbed wire, gets the child and hands it over, and there's several photos, but I have one of them.
01:09:19.000You can find them online, I forget the name of it.
01:09:21.000And boy, that soldier that helped that baby get to its parents, never seen again.
01:09:28.000And this is the decision coming here in America.
01:09:30.000You're always going to be given a good cover story, a good reason to hate the American people and go along with this.
01:09:59.000The point is, it's JP Morgan money, and then it was reported the money went there, and then the media is so controlled they won't talk about it.
01:10:39.000He had the prepared testimony on the CME Group website.
01:10:44.000As he's done in other testimony, suddenly he broke with it and said, I was told in the meetings that Corzine knew and gave the orders to take the money.
01:10:51.000Now again, he's saying, I'm not going to go down with the ship for you.
01:10:55.000And that gives us faith, folks, because if Corzine can go to jail, like Madoff, Then Jamie Dimon can go to jail.
01:11:02.000Because, folks, they all need to be in jail.
01:11:38.000But really, they're little scared crooks like Corzine, who looks scared in those testimonies, because he's up there bald-faced lying, folks.
01:11:44.000Of course he knows where the money went.
01:11:46.000The government knows where the transfers went.
01:11:48.000This claim, Max Keiser, speak to that and then the...
01:11:52.000One-tenth of one percent instead of the one percent.
01:11:54.000And then I want to get into the big enchilada.
01:11:56.000Why do you think he is jumping ship and not playing patty cake?
01:12:00.000And will his kids start being found dead?
01:12:53.000They're not hedged against people acting like humans.
01:12:56.000They only have robots down on the floor of the exchange who do their bidding by conducting algorithmic trading that is all programmed to steal money every single day.
01:13:04.000But getting to this 1% issue, you know, the 1% versus the 99%.
01:13:09.000To make it into the 1% in America, you need a million dollars in cash.
01:13:30.000To get to, let's say, $10 billion, which is a nice chunk of money, you're making $27 million every single day for 365 days.
01:13:41.000And that's what somebody in the top one-tenth of one percent makes.
01:13:44.000They make $27 million every single day.
01:13:47.000A hedge fund manager pays themselves $5-10 billion.
01:13:51.000I noticed in their divorce cases and stuff it comes out that they're obsessed with beating each other and it's all like a race car race as they destroy the world.
01:14:00.000I guess that plays to that suicide banker point you make.
01:14:03.000Well, this is, you know, if you go to the Belhaven Club in Greenwich, Connecticut, and you sit around with a bunch of billionaire hedge fund managers, you know, they're all basically just competing with each other, and they're willing to throw the country under the bus to do it.
01:14:44.000They've got the government on the payroll, and so now as crimes are committed, everybody in the system's engaged in some kind of crime, so they can't blow the whistle on an even bigger crime, because then that will bring them down, and so there's a natural progression where the crimes get wilder and wilder and crazier and crazier, like DuPont running around raping people and driving tanks with machine guns in the local town screaming, I'm God.
01:15:11.000I mean, and the cops are like, that's just what he does!
01:15:14.000Well, you say the government's on the payroll.
01:15:17.000Payroll is stretching it a little bit because, I mean, for $200,000 you can get Congress to write a new law for a bank on Wall Street.
01:15:30.000They sell out for not even one one-millionth.
01:15:34.000Yeah, I'd love to see Congress hold out and try to, at least for half of, you know, three or four million dollars before they break the law for a bank.
01:15:43.000I mean, maybe that would help solve the deficit in America.
01:15:53.000Almost anyone can get a congressman to change a law for you.
01:15:56.000And if it takes $100,000 or $200,000, and if you're a bank on Wall Street, it's really, You're right, they are the equivalent of disheveled crack whores with cigarette burns all over them that are less than a quarter.
01:16:09.000I mean, I've seen poor crack whores that look like Dawn of the Dead zombies.
01:16:15.000The bonuses on Wall Street last year were $140 billion.
01:16:18.000So when you read about folks like, oh, there's a party of five or six brokers in Paris celebrating a bonus, and by the way, the check for the meal, for dinner, was $130,000.
01:16:40.000It comes from society that has to underwrite and subsidize these people through austerity!
01:16:45.000And that's why you have a global insurrection against banker occupation, because the globe doesn't want to subsidize, pay the welfare to Jamie Dimon anymore.
01:16:52.000They don't want to pay Lloyd Blankfein's welfare anymore.
01:16:55.000They want to just work and make money for themselves.
01:16:57.000They don't want to tithe their money to the Lord Blankfein, like it's some kind of medieval Futile serfdom?
01:17:05.000No, they want to work and live like a real person!
01:17:09.000Now again, here is Terry Duffy, who was saying none of this was true just two weeks ago.
01:17:15.000Now he changed his testimony and prepared on-the-record text that said one thing, and then he changed three lines.
01:17:22.000And it says, after receiving this information, this is the change part, CME remained at MF Global, while MF Global Attempted to identify funds that could be transferred, so CMT's actually in there catching them, into segregation to reduce or eliminate the discrepancy.
01:17:38.000A CME auditor also participated in a phone call with senior MF Global employees wherein, and now those same employees have been caught lying, saying we didn't, we met but didn't talk about anything.
01:17:48.000One employee, at two in the morning, we just met, didn't do anything at the office.
01:17:51.000One employee indicated that Mr. Corzine knew about the loans that had been made from the customer segregated accounts.
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01:26:08.000CFTC and CME staff and auditors returned to the firm on Sunday, October 30th, and were informed by MF Global employees that this discrepancy was caused by, quote, an accounting error.
01:26:20.000Our auditors worked with the CFTC, devoted the rest of the day and night, Sunday, to find the so-called accounting error.
01:26:31.000Monday morning, October 31st, MF Global informed both the CFTC and CME at approximately the same time that the shortfall was real and that customer segregated funds have been transferred out of segregation to the firm's broker-dealer accounts.
01:26:47.000After receiving this information, CME remained at MF Global while MF Global attempted to identify funds that could be transferred into segregation to reduce or eliminate the discrepancy.
01:27:01.000A CME auditor also participated in a phone call with senior MF Global employees wherein one employee indicated that Mr. Corzine knew about the loans that had been made from the customer segregated accounts.
01:27:18.000CME Group has provided this information.
01:28:46.000I mean, obviously, what will happen to this case is, in order To absolve the people, the crooks involved, they're going to need to pass some new laws very quickly.
01:28:56.000Obama, in reaction to this, and Holder, in reaction to this blatant law breaking, will pass new laws.
01:29:03.000That's been the history on Wall Street.
01:29:05.000If you get caught breaking the law, they pass new laws.
01:29:07.000Like, Goldman Sachs passed a new law when they were caught breaking an SEC regulation about offering stock of Facebook to insiders beyond what's allowed by SEC law.
01:29:18.000They're getting Congress to pass a new law.
01:29:20.000When, uh, you just see examples of this every day.
01:29:23.000So, what I... Yeah, instead of it, we'll stay there, stay there, we've got to go to break, but instead of things getting better and enforcing the law, they just change it.
01:29:30.000Kind of like when Bush got caught spying without warrants on citizens, they changed the law, or they get caught torturing, they try to... ...or for telecom, telecom spying for years for Verizon and other telecom companies that just gave them immunity.
01:29:43.000Okay, so they just give them immunity, or they'll change the law, and they'll say it's for national security.
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01:33:37.000He's been very helpful and gracious to spend this much time with us today.
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01:35:22.000We're reaching more than 15 million people a week now.
01:37:29.000But the government's taken it and shaved, depending on which fund it was, 10 to 20 or even more percentage off.
01:37:35.000And they say the government now holds your fund in trust and gave it to Goldman Sachs, J.P. Morgan, and some of the other European banks.
01:37:43.000But obviously I was going to ask you where is it going?
01:37:45.000The fact that they don't care that the public's now learning that bank accounts, brokerage accounts, 401Ks, stocks, bonds, mutual funds, these indexes, nothing's there.
01:37:57.000There's hundreds of times derivatives fraud to what real assets are.
01:38:02.000As you and other economists we've had on have all basically admitted on the same spectrum.
01:38:07.000100 times, 200 times, people debate it.
01:38:09.000The point is, they've signed us onto their fraud, the military's standing by to wage war with us, and the question is, will they stand down?
01:38:18.000I guess they just destroy confidence, they don't care, they take it all over and the military stands by?
01:38:23.000I mean, is that what's going to happen, Max Keiser?
01:38:27.000Look, they just rack up huge debts, speculating, and then when it comes time to pay the debt, they raid a pension account, or they raid your commodities account, or they'll steal your mutual funds, or your bank account.
01:38:40.000So there's nobody trying to stop them from racking up these debts.
01:38:43.000In Europe, Economy in the banking system is collapsing, but the speculators are still racking up more debts.
01:38:49.000If you notice, the Bank of International Settlements came out with a report just a couple of weeks ago that indicated that the total amount of derivatives in the global banking system has reached a new all-time high of $720 trillion.
01:39:02.000Remember after the crisis of 2008, that number decreased by $50 or $60 trillion for temporarily.
01:39:10.000But now, since nobody did anything to make any laws or to put anybody in jail, and in fact all the speculators thought that they were being rewarded for doing such a great job endangering the global economy, they have increased the total number of benefits.
01:39:27.000So anytime that they need to pay any interest, again, it's small because interest rates are near zero, but they do, they still have interest on $700 trillion.
01:39:36.000It's still, even if it's .001%, it still is a meaningful amount on that amount.
01:39:41.000So they will raid your pension account.
01:39:43.000They'll steal from your brokerage account.
01:39:45.000And you know, Jamie Dimon over there, JP Morgan, That bank alone has $90 trillion in derivatives on their books.
01:39:52.000That's bigger than the total GDP of the entire world.
01:39:57.000The entire global GDP is, let's call it, $60 trillion.
01:40:01.000JP Morgan has derivatives on their books for $90 trillion.
01:40:05.000And they say, well, it's not risk really because it's perfectly hedged.
01:40:08.000All the counterparties are completely safe.
01:40:11.000Yeah, look what just happened with MFGlobal.
01:40:13.000There's no counterparty accountability there.
01:40:31.000As the firemen, the police, the bureaucrats lose their future, will they, the police, still not care that they've been robbed just because they can still crack somebody on the head?
01:40:42.000Or is there, I mean, is there any end from your research to how bad this is going to get?
01:40:47.000Because certainly they have a escape route, and that's more power, world government, total tyranny in their own words.
01:40:53.000But, I mean, they've got a problem, as Zbigniew Brzezinski said last year, To the Council on Foreign Relations in Canada, their branch, he said, look, the world is awake and staring at the elite, not at our puppets anymore.
01:41:46.000I know when I was working on Wall Street, this is what we found.
01:41:49.000We try to find customers that were gambler-holics.
01:41:52.000We try to find emotionally weak customers that will blame themselves for the money you steal from them.
01:41:58.000And this is what they do, but on a much bigger scale.
01:42:00.000So a pension account that's worth a few hundred million, if they steal two or three million or four billion, the pension manager will feel bad about themselves, and they'll put their tail between their legs, and they'll scurry home to wherever they're living, a little hovel, and they'll cry to themselves to sleep all night.
01:42:17.000But that's what you count on, because nobody's going to... Oh, I know.
01:42:20.000I've seen when the government takes people's children for no reason, they'll still somehow blame themselves, and I...
01:42:30.000I mean, it really is the Stockholm Syndrome.
01:42:33.000Well, it's just, you know, the thing is, you learn on Wall Street, when I was on Wall Street, what I was told was a couple of things.
01:42:41.000First of all, it doesn't matter if you break the law because we have lawyers, you know.
01:42:45.000And second of all, unless you have at least one case pending against you from a disgruntled customer, you're not showing enough initiative.
01:42:54.000I mean, that's the law of the Wall Street.
01:42:56.000And the way you're paid on Wall Street is not on the money you make for customers, but on the churn factor.
01:43:01.000How much of the customer's money did you turn into the firm's money?
01:43:26.000If you just joined us, the head of the CME group, this is big, big news, Terrence Duffy, has gone public and said that he was told, and he told the Justice Department this, in meetings with MF Global, Top Brass, that they were ordered by Corzine to steal the private bank accounts.
01:43:47.000And you're seeing a giant attempt by MF Global and by J.P. Morgan, reportedly, who got most of the money, to just have it in plain view and see if you'll buy it and sell it.
01:43:59.000And the Justice Department and the rest of these terrorists who ship guns to Mexico and cocaine into the country and get caught, they don't get in trouble either.
01:44:07.000Just to see if they can get away with this.
01:44:09.000And I want to go to calls here, Max, but that point you raised about the gold, we'll have to cover that after we get to some calls because that's destroying the commodities market in gold and silver.
01:44:20.000But the last time they did that six months ago or five months ago, it only came back up after.
01:44:23.000So we'll get your view on the future of that here.
01:44:25.000But right now, let's go ahead and talk to George in Connecticut.
01:44:37.000I was listening to a very left-wing New York station, and it was an Occupy Wall Street, and they're talking about Ron Paul, and lots of people are giving upbeat things, so there's the hope that there may be a joining at some point.
01:44:51.000The question for Max, though, is that I'm wondering, every time they drive down Gold and Silver, on the GLD and SLD.
01:45:00.000Maybe we can use that as an opportunity to buy the real stuff, say, look, they're pushing it down, switch from GLD and SLD, buy the real stuff.
01:45:48.000And then they'll have the paper market trading at a completely different price.
01:45:50.000And so are you looking for a boomerang?
01:45:52.000Because it'll go down for a while as the paper market collapses, which is happening because no one trusts MF Global.
01:45:58.000I guess that's why the head of it, The head of the CME Group is having to come out and cry uncle because they do see it literally across commodities markets are going down because of loss of confidence.
01:46:11.000Then I guess as everybody then rushes into physical, could that push it then up a lot?
01:47:10.000My question is, using Max's analogy earlier, with JP Morgan putting a gun to Corzine's head, when America leaves China hanging with the $2 trillion in debt, do you think China will put a gun to America's head by virtue of like a Chinese Red Dawn?
01:47:29.000Well, I think that you already have incredible influence in American policy from China.
01:47:36.000Certainly in the monetary policy and in the financial policies, China's got incredible influence.
01:47:42.000And going forward, we see China lining themselves up with Iran and Russia more than the United States.
01:47:49.000So that block of countries, Iran, China, Russia, are consolidating their relationships and doing lots of deals together.
01:47:57.000And so the U.S., of course, is sticking with Britain and Israel.
01:48:02.000I mean, that's going to be the loser going forward against China, Russia, Iran.
01:48:29.000The greatest fraud ever and they're waging war against our own countries from Israel to the US are all occupied by basically military dictatorships with a little fake government.
01:48:39.000out front and you're right Russia and China and others were heavily invested especially China they wanted to be part of the new world order they were offered and now they've been sold derivatives and crud so their president is threatening war with the U.S.
01:48:52.000now in Reuters but it's not even on the nightly news I mean that shows you how crazy the world's gotten and that even the Communist Party of China is now freaked out about who's running the U.S.
01:49:04.000because these bankers are so are so sure of themselves are so humorous drunk Then who knows what they'll do?
01:49:31.000And it's going to be fought with derivatives.
01:49:33.000And countries with actual resources behind these derivatives are going to do better than the U.S., which is just... And the U.K.
01:49:39.000and Israel, they're just printing debt.
01:49:42.000So it's going to be debt versus real resources, and I think real resources are going to prevail.
01:49:47.000And by the way, that's why, and I've told people this for a decade or more, from the manuals, the drills, I've documented it, but now they're admitting they're lining up the U.S.
01:49:59.000That's who they train to take on, and that's who they're now using predator drones on.
01:50:02.000I mean, why are they so scared of farmers and ranchers, Max?
01:50:08.000Well, I guess because they're afraid of anybody who's independent in any way.
01:50:14.000Farmers and ranchers are independent because they have an independent source of income and they're not reliant on the government to that extent.
01:50:21.000So that's obviously a threat to the central planners in Washington.
01:50:27.000Wow, we're going to come back and I'm going to keep you until 5 after and we're going to let you go and for a whole hour into the next we're going to have a very interesting guest in studio with us.
01:55:08.000let's go ahead and go to info uh... in maryland you're on the air info uh...
01:55:18.000i thought it was that's either about the uh... or The fact that he was able, the fact that he had to lie because, you know, his family might be in danger and they have a gun to his head and stuff like that.
01:57:04.000He'll say that's probably the greatest thing that could happen, is for J.P.
01:57:07.000Morgan and the Fed to simply blow themselves up, which would be a nice end to a hundred-year run as a vicious financial crook in this country.
01:57:16.000We're gonna go to Brighton, come back with three or four more calls, and then let Max Keiser go and bring in our next guest who's gonna be in studio.
01:57:38.000You know, I'm in Europe, I've been here for 10 years now, I've lived in France for 14 years.
01:57:43.000I don't follow regional, local, little American elections that closely.
01:57:48.000I mean, Ron Paul's a great guy, I hope he does well, but other than that, it's a too small a country.
01:57:52.000Yeah, the point is, is that look at who the Republicans put forward.
01:57:55.000I mean, this is a top globalist minion.
01:57:58.000This is a Mr. Selling Influence, Mr. Crooked.
01:58:03.000He moves like a weather vane, depending on how the wind blows.
01:58:06.000And that's who Ron Paul, the statesman, has to fight with.
01:58:10.000I mean, it should be a no-brainer, Max.
01:58:14.000Yeah, well, you're talking about voters in a country where there are very few brains.
01:58:18.000So, I mean, they constantly vote for the deadbeats and charlatans.
01:58:23.000So, you know, hopefully they'll maybe choose somebody that's capable this time, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
01:58:31.000Well, one thing's for sure, Ron Paul can't fix everything, but he's a major signal worldwide, as he said yesterday, that we're going in the right direction again, or that we're trying to turn the ship around.
01:58:41.000But, my goodness, if we get any of the other candidates, Obama, Romney, Gingrich, heaven help us.
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02:00:23.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
02:00:27.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
02:00:34.000Gunter Spenz, former colonel in the East German Army, gonna be in studio with us, and he was part of the group that stood down and led to the fall of the Berlin Wall, and that's what we're coming to here.
02:00:46.000The globalists are just gonna get more and more corrupt until they fall.
02:00:49.000The question is, will they crush us in the process?
02:00:53.000I think we're doing a pretty good job, though, Max.
02:01:18.000I was wondering, well, one statement I want to make, and then I have a couple questions.
02:01:25.000What I would think would be a great ticket with Ron Paul personally would be Peter Schiff.
02:01:29.000I think you'd be a great running mate.
02:01:31.000But having said that, I wanted to know, Max, is there validity behind a statement that Mike Dillard of the Elevation Group made that 144 tons of gold was supposed to be sent to Libya from the New York Fed, and that's actually what got Gaddafi assassinated?
02:01:51.000And also, if I could just follow up with you, Alex.
02:01:55.000What do you mean, personally, when you say that you see a turnaround after, like, the final clampdown occurs?
02:02:01.000Well, I mean, things are going to have to get really bad before people start really waking up.
02:02:05.000People are starting to wake up now because things are bad, but they have no idea, historically, how guaranteed crazy this is going to get.
02:02:12.000But yes, it's true that, from what I read, I don't know about the particular guy you mentioned, that Libya was demanding delivery of its gold, and we know Venezuela has now done that.
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02:08:27.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
02:08:31.000Well, for the rest of the hour, Guter Spins is our guest.
02:08:48.000And they have the video up at the Oath Keeper's website where he was interviewed.
02:08:53.000He's brought his former East German passport and his diplomas on.
02:08:59.000Army documents, of course he showed all that to Oath Keepers, but he's involved with Oath Keepers and is a patriot because we know the history of what happened there with the fall of the Berlin Wall.
02:09:10.000We know that it was a key military group, military group that he was in and commanding, that actually said no on the orders to shoot the citizens that in mass were climbing over the wall.
02:09:23.000That loss of power by the state, just like with Ceausescu in Romania, by the military standing down even for a short period is what finally brought the tyrants down.
02:09:33.000Of course, the military tried to overthrow Hitler, was not as successful.
02:10:27.000On Monday, by 7pm, the service ended and a group of church members were just walking around, uh, Doing nothing, and it goes on, they just walked over the street into heavy traffic, but every car stopped to give them the way.
02:10:39.000People came to watch, and week by week, more and more joined them.
02:10:45.000Encouraged by that, many people left East Germany via the embassies of other countries.
02:10:50.000And then he breaks down what happened after that.
02:10:53.000He was served at the headquarters of the 3rd Army in that city, at Leipzig, at the rank of Lieutenant Colonel.
02:10:59.000The Stasi, a secret police, and the party arrested ...him in the summer of 89, but my commander gave them five days to provide any evidence.
02:11:08.000They could not, and I came back into service.
02:11:11.000I wish that LTC Terry Lackin had such a commander.
02:11:16.000And then it goes into what happened to other folks.
02:11:18.000You know, I meant to get this photo, but then I couldn't find it last night because I've moved several times, but my mother went to Germany and brought back a famous photo of the East German soldier helping the toddler through to its parents.
02:11:35.000Because we won't be able to pull it up if you can remember it.
02:11:38.000Okay, well, basically, I've only gone into part of this.
02:11:42.000You guys stood down, and then that led, finally, to the falling of the Berlin Wall, so it shows that one man on the right can stand up against an army of people who are in the wrong, to paraphrase the founder of the Texas Rangers.
02:11:54.000So, Gunter Spins, it's good to have you here today.
02:11:58.000Break down your story, what you witnessed in Germany, in East Germany, and then the parallels that you see happening in the world today, if any.
02:14:26.000Because there was no public, there was no free press, no free media.
02:14:30.000stood down and others stood down at your command base, what, in 89?
02:14:34.000What would happen to people, and what were the numbers of those that were killed?
02:14:38.000This is hard to say, because there was no public, there was no free press, no free media.
02:14:47.000Definitely, I would say, on the thousands.
02:14:52.000Especially in the beginning, when the border was consolidated, it was not possible, from my opinion, to cross the border and be alive. - Yes.
02:15:05.000There was, in the way before, when you go close to the border, Kilometer about 17 miles.
02:15:52.000We talked about that famous photo of the German soldier with the toddler that's been caught in the bar bar, and he helps it through, and then we're told that that soldier disappeared.
02:16:10.000Since then was the border completely closed.
02:16:14.000It started with the Berlin Wall, and also the border along to West Germany was completely closed.
02:16:21.000Even if it was not possible to go to the Baltic Sea, in the North, no way.
02:16:27.000In the beginning, a lot died, of course, because they expected they can do this, can go, there's no way.
02:16:36.000Even when you leave East Germany to the East, for Bulgaria, Poland, all this, there was always control.
02:16:44.000I was several times in the Black Sea vacation, and when I crossed the border to the Czech, from the Czech to Hungary, everyone called back to my base and told he left the border there.
02:16:59.000Before I got the authorization to go, it was Our country is in the East.
02:17:05.000When I got the authorization, I had to declare what point I will cross the border.
02:17:12.000When, what time, and the same the way back.
02:17:17.000Now continuing, because I want to get into the fall of the Berlin Wall and how you were intimately involved in that with the first major military group to stand down and how that took place and how you discussed it beforehand.
02:17:29.000And then I want to get into parallels with what's happening today, as I mentioned earlier, but what was it like talking to the military, you know, once you got into the army, about when they did have to shoot citizens, and did you ever witness any of that?
02:19:02.000I have no idea what... Yeah, now they're giving the troops amnesiacs after they tell them, kill a whole village, they give them an amnesiac.
02:19:09.000That's even come out in Wire Magazine, so no one remembers.
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02:24:35.000He's going to be on InfoWars Nightly News tonight.
02:24:37.000I'm going to do a long interview with him, and then we're going to air it at the end of the live news Thursday evening.
02:24:43.000We have the news and also extended interviews like we did last night.
02:24:47.000We aired part two of the pharmacist Ben Fuchs interview.
02:24:49.000We're going to have some breaking Oathkeeper news with Wayne Madsen that is major league big dealing with Uh, the situation with Fast and Furious.
02:25:02.000Now, now, uh, getting back to Oath Keepers, this is a short segment, but, uh, you were saying it'd be good to start now just on how the stand-down began and, uh, how proud of you are of, you know, the town that you were in and the command center that you were in, what you guys said beforehand and then what unfolded.
02:25:19.000Yeah, so how the beginning of the Berlin Wall began.
02:25:22.000Yes, it started in the spring, early spring in 1989.
02:25:27.000East Germany existed this time 40 years and economy, everything was going down.
02:25:36.000And a group of people after the church in downtown Leipzig went out of the church after the service and just walked around the downtown in Leipzig.
02:25:53.000I mean, also Staatssicherheit was there and controlled it, but they didn't expect this will continue.
02:25:59.000And they had nothing in their hands to arrest them or something like this.
02:26:05.000They just So this will stop and will go away.
02:26:09.000But what is going away is from more and more.
02:26:13.000And in the army, the service of regulation, the regulation of service, says clearly you have not to obey, it was written in the documents, you have not to obey an order against the own people or against international law.
02:27:03.000Much more grass, because the party was always right.
02:27:07.000And therefore they had cameras, they recorded everything just to collect information and try to find a way to stop this.
02:27:15.000But it was not stopped because there were more and more and every Monday people came from other cities close Leipzig every Monday in city to see and joined more and later also as officers from our headquarter joined not in uniform but I know this man And then in October, the 7th of October was the 40th anniversary of the Republic, East Germany.
02:27:43.000And when you see the numbers, Leipzig had a population of about, at this time, 500,000.
02:27:50.000And 75,000 were on the street, from everywhere.
02:27:55.000We had a long way sometimes, not just from the city.
02:27:58.000And you know, the next Monday will be much more.
02:28:03.000So they tried to stop this the Monday before there was paramilitary units from all the companies they had to have the trained paramilitary units and they put them on the street with Kalashnikov AK-47 but no ammunition.
02:28:24.000And they did not use the Stasi against because this would have a spring revolution right now.
02:28:33.000So, he knew exactly that next Monday will be more.
02:28:36.000Next Monday there are 150,000 on the street.
02:28:41.000That means 1% of the whole population of East Germany were on this Monday in the city of Leipzig in the rally.
02:29:41.000And you were a lieutenant colonel there who was part of this, the stand down that on record, in the history books, led to the fall of the Berlin Wall by people simply not acting like animals, acting like human beings.
02:29:53.000And then we'll talk about what the Stasi did once the fall happened, running and hiding.
02:29:56.000And then we'll look at parallels to what's happening here today.
02:30:35.000the republic identifies the enemies of our nation the criminal offshore cartel hell-bent on destroying sovereignty and on its ashes constructing world government tim geithner bernanke they're arsonists they're asking for more matches and the congress is saying who do we make the checkout to today seems like nobody does care and right now in washington d_c_ we have seen a fall of the Republic.
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02:31:21.000Hey, most GCN listeners know that the future of Christmas shopping may quite well be that scary.
02:31:26.000And while we're not there yet, as shoppers we still face terrible traffic, crazy lines, and even crazier shoppers.
02:34:07.000Meet the North Dakota family of anti-government separatists busted by cops using a predator drone after, quote, stealing six cows that kept coming on their property.
02:34:16.0003,000 acre ranch, they call living on a farm, the government calls it a compound.
02:34:49.000And Obama, who said that he didn't want to sign it because he already has those powers, turns out he pressured Congress to actually add the part for American citizens in the end of Posse Comitatus and kill anybody in the world anytime they want.
02:35:01.000I mean, this is, this is, the Stasi never tried something like this.
02:35:40.000If you remember, tell us his name and everything that transpired, what it was like, what you were talking about, and then what unfolded, then what the Stasi did, and the changes that took place, and then we'll get into what America's turned into from the parallels you may see.
02:35:54.000First, as I mentioned, An army soldier, officer, did not obey any order against their own people, against international law.
02:36:05.000I'm a housekeeper here, and when you read the 10 orders we did not obey, we are called terrorists.
02:36:14.000He was not a terrorist in East Germany.
02:36:16.000In East Germany, when someone had a different meaning or tried to walk against the party, he was not a patriot, he was not a terrorist, he was against the Republic.
02:36:35.000When you say you stand for the Constitution, you support the Constitution, you took the oath to defend the Constitution, then you're close to a terrorist.
02:36:45.000Listen, I have police squad car video in my film Road to Tyranny where they pull a woman over at a checkpoint and they find a pocket Constitution and they get scared.
02:38:16.000First, the paramilitary troops, without ammunition, but with AK-47s, just standing there along the street, doing nothing, just to make a statement, give a statement.
02:38:28.000And then they brought from close to Berlin as a base of the Paratroops, Parachutas and the Airborne, and they brought them to Leipzig.
02:38:37.000So they were marching around with machine guns, trying to intimidate people just like our system does now.
02:40:52.000This is all the education of the party about this way.
02:40:57.000So, and what happens the following is that we need a document, we need a solution for the situation on the border.
02:41:05.000A colonel from the Border Patrol, Got the order to provide a document, build a group and provide some document for the part of the solution for this situation.
02:41:20.000And I heard him later when he explained what he said, I have no idea what I can do.
02:41:44.000He was a colonel, he was a member of the party, he got the order and they expect he will do the best he can for the party to fix this problem.
02:41:53.000And he had no idea, so he wrote, everyone can leave.
02:41:57.000And the secretary of the party in Berlin was, there was also a demonstration in a rally in Berlin now, Berlin and in Dresden, and the people would have an answer, and he should provide an answer, a solution for this problem, and he got this document, and he just, he was happy, no one checked it from the party.
02:42:16.000Everyone was sure it would be the right way, because it wasn't the party.
02:42:35.000So basically because the general was told to figure out a way to fix it he said okay let him go and so as a chain reaction well a high-level party person said this and it must be okay and that shows that command-and-control system.
02:42:47.000Now what did the Stasi start to do after the wall fell?
02:42:50.000You know people that love torturing, the people that love controlling people, love spying.
02:43:38.000They... What they tried is to find something, you know.
02:43:43.000Some evidence which would be against our regulation of service or against the body.
02:43:50.000This is pretty easy because as an officer you have actually no rights.
02:43:57.000In East Germany you have rights, of course, but when you do anything, even when you look TV from West Germany, there would be a reason to lock you up.
02:45:34.000When you see the First Amendment I mean I have a certain officer it was in a gun show I had my shirt on and the officer saw me police officer he was there in service and he went away Not by accident.
02:45:55.000I gave the other way, he came, went away.
02:45:58.000And I said, Officer, do you have a problem with my shirt?
02:46:18.000He was saying he didn't want to become a target or you're one?
02:46:22.000He says, read it to me, I don't want to become a target.
02:46:27.000So the police officers are under pressure, at least some of them, To say, okay, I stay to my oath.
02:46:34.000I will not obey any... Oh, no, no, no.
02:46:36.000We've confirmed, and it's come out in documents, Oath Keepers, Ron Paul, Alex Jones, they sit up there with the military and police and say, these are bad men, don't listen to them.
02:47:17.000You could clearly tell the party, here, this is our constitution, and here is our regulation of service, and here is written what I have to do.
02:47:26.000I have not to obey an order against constitution, against our people.
02:47:32.000You could say and you could show this.
02:48:30.000And our commander said, okay, to have five days time to the Stasi has five days time to provide some evidence against me or I'm back in service.
02:48:42.000So our government tramples on rights worse than the Stasi?
02:49:08.000He died a few years after that, but the point is that they would... I mean, it's so clear-cut tyranny.
02:49:14.000What do you think of the TSA, and they do violate the Constitution, Fourth Amendment, groping children, microwaving people, and now highway checkpoints?
02:49:27.000It's completely against the Constitution.
02:49:29.000What would the Germans have done in East Germany if they had checkpoints where they fondled your children?
02:49:35.000There were checkpoints around Berlin in the beginning, in the first years.
02:49:39.000Because there was no border, it was open.
02:49:45.000But there was never checkpoints anywhere in Germany.
02:49:48.000In East Germany... So again, we're worse than East Germany, all we have left is free speech, and they're in the news, saying get rid of freedom of speech, and openly, Cass Sunstein calling for alternative media's arrest.
02:50:48.000I mean, I actually have video of FEMA with ADL, Southern Poverty Law Center, training manuals that wrote a tyranny saying, George Washington terrorist, Thomas Jefferson terrorist, and the cops are all... I mean, it's like saying... I mean, it's so absurd you think it's a comedy, and it's not.
02:51:03.000They really are bad guys, and they think they're the good guys.
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02:54:32.000And we've got Michael Savage withdrawing his million-dollar offer because multiple states are saying it's illegal to tell Newt Gingrich to drop out for a million bucks.
02:54:39.000It's obviously a tongue-in-cheek publicity stunt.
02:55:22.000When I came to the U.S. again 13 years ago to the U.S., I had no idea about America without the normal information and I studied first the Constitution to understand the lifestyle here, understand more about politics, how it works. I had no idea about America without the normal information it And the Constitution, when I compare it with the Constitution we had,
02:55:46.000Our was new, because it was 40 years old, and was actually written very well, but there is a huge difference between both, even if it was correct.
02:55:56.000The constitution in all other states, even in East Germany, was written to tell how the government can rule the people.
02:56:19.000So, and then history, how it came to the United States, the Dorian First Colonies, and the Bill of Rights.
02:56:30.000When you go to the Bill of Rights, I heard a very good explanation about this, very short, from Judge Andrew Napolitano.
02:56:37.000He said, Uh, Amendment 1 says government, you cannot do this.
02:56:42.000Amendment 2 says government, you cannot do this.
02:56:45.000Amendment 9 says government, you cannot do this.
02:56:49.000Amendment 10 says, and if you have someone forgotten, you can't do it either.
02:56:54.000The whole thing is about binding down government, now it's been turned all the way around backwards, and the media will blame the Constitution for the situation we're in.
02:57:02.000We've gotten the situation because we've ignored it.
02:57:57.000That this precedent of "we kill you and just believe us" when there are a known, a group of known liars, they don't want a court hearing because they don't want it to come out that he worked for them.