On this Tuesday edition of the Conspiracy Theories podcast, we have David Icke join us to talk about Iran, the open world government, and 2012. We also hear from Bruce Fine, who is the Chief Advisor on Policy to Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas.
00:00:49.000Love him, hate him, certainly an icon of opening up your mind and not trusting the system.
00:00:55.000He will be joining us in the second hour today to talk about Iran, the open world government, and 2012.
00:01:03.000Bruce Fine, who is the chief advisor on policy to Congressman Ron Paul, presidential candidate, will be joining us for one hour in the third hour.
00:01:18.000And I will take calls for both men today.
00:01:22.000In the balance of the time we have here, Obama shifts location of G8 Summit from hometown of Chicago to his Camp David retreat.
00:01:34.000That tells me they're looking very strongly at having the war with Iran.
00:01:40.000That's a high security facility and area.
00:01:45.000During that period, just like they launched the attack on Russian-held areas in Georgia during 888 when all the world leaders were together in China for the Olympics.
00:01:55.000They tend to do things like this only when there's about to be a war.
00:01:58.000In fact, Camp David is the number one alternate government site after D.C.
00:02:05.000And then number two site is, of course, We'll alternate between Site R in Maryland and Cheyenne Mountain in Colorado there in Colorado Springs, and that ties into an underground government complex.
00:02:24.000The real long-term NORTHCOM command center government is in Colorado, but their alternate meeting places The underground shadow government system is based in Colorado more than anywhere else.
00:02:38.000But it's got constellations in Maryland, in Virginia, in Texas, in California, and many other areas.
00:02:43.000But I'm getting into COG technicalities.
00:02:45.000The point is, the fact that they're moving it to this high security facility with underground railways under it and the rest of it.
00:02:58.000The fact that all of that's happening there and that they're going to have all the world leaders at Camp David means get ready for something big.
00:03:39.000You notice all this is happening as the world hurdles into depression, as world governments This giant war that's being prepared is the political distraction.
00:03:49.000Is the political distraction that they need to clamp down domestically.
00:03:55.000And it's going to help the Mullahs as well.
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00:08:47.000Bruce Fine, the head policy advisor, chief policy advisor to Congressman Ron Paul, constitutional lawyer, par excellence, will be joining us coming up in the third hour.
00:09:32.000And so the media is kind of like, hey, the corporate whore media is like, this is pretty good.
00:09:38.000Actually, this is how they keep us safe.
00:09:39.000Anybody who they say is a threat to the state or the president in any way to national security, and that means mega banks ruling America and looting and robbing us from every angle.
00:09:52.000Anybody that tries to dislodge the criminal enterprise that runs our country in any way is a threat to the nation, because the nation isn't America anymore.
00:10:27.000And now I've got all these articles where they're like, well yeah, we won't just secretly arrest you, we'll kill you.
00:10:33.000We'll secretly arrest you in America but not kill you in America.
00:10:36.000But if you're a citizen overseas, anywhere, we'll kill you and we'll bomb any country we want, worldwide declaration of war.
00:10:42.000And you heard Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer who ran the anti-bin Laden program and could have killed him in 2001 and 2000 and was ordered not to.
00:10:53.000Say that Anwar al-Awlaki is a FBI asset.
00:10:58.000Now, of course, that's even in Fox News.
00:11:02.000The Pentagon did not deny it a few years ago.
00:11:05.000AP Fox News picked it up and just dryly said, you know, Anwar al-Awlaki was Pentagon dinner, he asked, with the Secretary of the Army.
00:11:12.000Of course, he was born in America, so was Adam Perlman.
00:11:16.000Of the five leaders of Al-Qaeda, who they jockey and say who's number one, four of them were born in America and on record trained at Laney, and just absolute intelligence operatives, who in American production quality videos say, we're going to attack you dirty Americans.
00:11:33.000I mean, it's so ridiculous that it makes your head spin.
00:11:58.000Imagine what the rest of the good people in the Pentagon who are compartmentalized, people like Fletcher Prouty was, who was exposing the fact that the government had killed Kennedy.
00:12:07.000He was in the type of position that Colonel Schaefer was.
00:12:11.000He was the liaison between the Pentagon and the CIA and black ops.
00:12:16.000Running assassinations and overthrows worldwide.
00:12:20.000They literally told him, you're going to the North Pole this week.
00:12:25.000And you're not to be in contact with any of your sources for the next two weeks.
00:12:54.000They even had a Secret Service agent, you can look him up, in Chicago, who went public the week before and said, they're going to kill you in Chicago when you're motorcade.
00:13:02.000And that's why they had to pull out of Chicago.
00:13:05.000They were planning to kill him in Miami as He says in his deathbed confession, E. Howard Hunt, who was the, you know, Ethan Hunt of Mission Impossible, the writers of that back in the 60s, the TV show, it was based on E. Howard Hunt, who'd been a sniper in World War II and just had, you know, kills off the chart and everything else, and was the head of black op murder squads.
00:13:27.000I mean, overthrowing more than 10 countries.
00:13:31.000And would go in and command forces, killing people, killing presidents, killing prime ministers, overthrowing.
00:13:37.000And he's like, yeah, Kordmeier came and of course it was being run out of the White House under LBJ and the COINTELPRO attacked and said, he's saying LBJ didn't go higher.
00:14:07.000That just shows how strong men attacks are built.
00:14:09.000Remember, we drop huge bombshells and break them here.
00:14:12.000There's always attacks on it to discredit it and attack it because they don't want the public realizing how powerful these jewels of information are.
00:14:21.000They don't want the people knowing just how huge all of this information really is.
00:14:31.000They are now saying that, yeah, we'll kill Americans and secretly arrest Americans anywhere in the world except the U.S., and we'll secretly arrest you here if we want.
00:14:41.000Now, I later learned, and my office was contacted by G20 security a few years ago when Rob Dewey was up in Pittsburgh and got arrested.
00:14:53.000We were contacted, we checked the number in the phone system, called them back, they confirmed, but wouldn't come on air, that when we linked to the video of protesters and troops in uniforms jumping out with no insignia, grabbing people, you can just type in snatch and grab at G20, same thing happened in Canada, same thing in England, they grab people and shove them in cars, and I said on air, that guy looks like a role player.
00:15:20.000Turns out G20 security called me, from the number, And wouldn't say who they were other than the first name and said, uh, that was G20 security, not US military.
00:15:32.000And, uh, that was a simulation, but that's all we're going to tell you.
00:15:35.000And because they wanted it put out, it was a simulation.
00:15:38.000But why all over the world now at these G20 events and other events, do they have black vans pull up or, or crown Vicks pull up with people in military outfits to grab you and throw you in a vehicle?
00:16:36.000In Basra, they caught British Special Forces in 2006, dressed up with fake beards, posing as Wahhabist, driving around shooting Sunni, Shiite, excuse me, police officers and others, to get a sectarian war going.
00:17:06.000Now continuing, I know I harp on this a lot because it's everything.
00:17:10.000We're told give up all our rights, all of our liberties, change our whole way of life.
00:17:15.000The big news is they're moving the G8 Summit from Chicago To Camp David, because it is a black site, a secret government site.
00:17:30.000I mean, the surface level structures are on record, but it is a continual government COG, number one designate, auxiliary Congress meeting, cabinet meeting facility.
00:17:43.000The real shadow government command base is Colorado Springs slash Denver complex.
00:17:49.000Just to give you a factoid there from our deep research, but by the way, that's all on record.
00:18:11.000Netanyahu's given his American-Israeli Affairs speech, and it's basically a declaration of war.
00:18:19.000He says, my supreme responsibility as Prime Minister of Israel is to ensure that Israel remains the master of its fate.
00:18:27.000And then meanwhile, all over the country, TSA is showing up at bus stations, highways, train stations, and groping and grabbing and teaching everybody that there's total federalization, unbonded, unsworn, not even peace officers.
00:18:40.000They're not even federal out of their jurisdiction.
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00:24:31.000They can arrest American citizens and cart them off to detention centers anywhere in the world.
00:24:36.000Basically turning the entire homeland into a battlefield and allowing the military to arrest individuals and detain them indefinitely without trial.
00:24:46.000Now this violates every aspect of a free society by denying Americans their constitutionally protected right to due process.
00:24:54.000How do you think the average American is going to respond?
00:24:57.000The same way they responded at the Kent State massacre when National Guard troops were used to fire live ammunition on students who were non-violently protesting the Vietnam War.
00:25:10.000The military's here to defend us, not to prosecute us and arrest us and throw us in jail.
00:25:15.000I think it's a sneak attack by Congress and people to, you know, counter the movement on Wall Street.
00:25:21.000These people are saying that the passing of the bill, basically it means to them that the Rubicon has been crossed.
00:25:27.000That this means America will become complete and possibly irreversible, a totalitarian military state.
00:25:34.000Well then our only hope is some defective armed force members.
00:25:37.000I think that's our only chance as the military needs to enforce our constitution and our congressmen are trampling over the rules that were established over 200 years ago and that's the whole problem.
00:25:51.000There's too much corruption in the executive branch and in the congressional.
00:25:55.000What would you say to active military who might be told to enforce this bill?
00:26:02.000Listen, I'm a veteran of the United States Army, 31 uniform, airborne.
00:26:07.000I'll tell you what, very simply we take an oath to protect this country from threats both foreign and domestic.
00:26:34.000If that eventuality does happen, You have to remind yourself that these are your brothers and sisters and neighbors and people you went to school with.
00:26:43.000Remember what you're truly fighting for.
00:26:46.000It's for our Constitution, not for these puppets who are actually our servants who have run amok.
00:26:52.000Now, Stuart Rhodes, the founder of Oath Keepers, recently appeared on the InfoWars Nightly News and he warned people that we are now at the point where all that will save liberty in America is another American Revolution.
00:27:04.000But really, you should see this as a declaration of war against the American people.
00:27:18.000We will be put in the same position as the Founding Fathers were in 1775.
00:27:22.000I want to tell the military and police that globalists are going to sit offshore and watch you get chewed up in a fight with the American people.
00:27:30.000It's very important that police and military really make a decision now which side they're going to be on.
00:27:37.000The military, you're right, choose now whom you shall serve.
00:27:43.000I'm talking the military out there especially.
00:27:44.000Either you are a son of the Republic, and you will defend the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, or you are a traitor to your country, and you are nothing but a lowly dog, an obedient dog to the powers that be.
00:28:01.000There's a lot of constitutionalists out there who are in such an uproar that they're saying that this bill places us in almost exactly the same position that our forefathers were in when they were forced to take up arms in defense of liberty back in 1775.
00:28:17.000Well, to those people I would say it's a culmination of things that have put us in that position and I would agree that the architects, the great and highly intelligent Architects that constructed our infrastructure, the way we do business and the way we do politics and the way we live here in America, they would turn over in their graves and they would be very ashamed of us and how far we've let this go.
00:28:47.000Indefinite detention without due process leaves citizens without the legal protection of the Constitution, and it strikes at the very heart of the essence of U.S.
00:28:57.000It is positively shameful that any elected representative would even consider voting for such an assault on so sacred a fundamental value as the right to due process.
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00:32:59.000Yeah, it was a surprise Saturday night that sold out Megadeth Motorhead concert here in Austin to be out there filming it because I was going to have some clips of that cut into the big it was a surprise Saturday night that sold out Megadeth Motorhead I ended up doing yesterday with Dave.
00:33:19.000Hour and a half, super in-depth, giant news making when I play this.
00:33:25.000And he goes, yeah, I want to dedicate this to my good friend Alex.
00:34:03.000A mental overload Angry again Angry again Angry Ow!
00:34:11.000And when the story takes a twist It holds like a contortionist Sleight of hand and quid its chase The old tricks have been rearranged It gets to hide my grasp My throat Erase my mind Starts to smoke In force of and fall over
00:34:40.000All angry again Angry again Angry The spirit of the sinew My body and my spray The ribbing of the tissue My lungs begin to tear Gravity's got my bones It pulls my flesh away
00:35:33.000Association of Chiefs Game I inevitably lose Gumbling by law set up by me Fracture's child in me Bees A kind of cardboard condo maze Fipped with the extra-balled erase Irrational, you stop the stare Ask me to rub a hole with the air
00:36:00.000Engaged in crime, I grasp my throat And raise my mind, start to smoke And force a mental overload Angry again, angry again, angry again And again That's what happens to me a lot on air Is I read all this news and information
00:36:29.000The image is so clear The threat's so obvious that I just Throw a fit It's really a form of laziness, but I am too close to this sometimes.
00:36:42.000But we all are, and we live in the present.
00:36:51.000We've got to fight tyranny while the sun still shines, because the sun is setting.
00:36:56.000A great time of darkness is upon us, but it has to get dark for people to recognize what good is again.
00:37:03.000We have to go into bondage, just like Israel did over and over again every time it turned its back on God, to discover the blessings.
00:37:15.000And, you know, if the people will repent and change their evil ways, if you don't believe in God, this is corruption, this is decadence, this is silliness, this is laziness, this is... this is madness!
00:37:28.000What the elites are doing with fission-fusion reactors, hadron colliders, Nuclear weapons, neutron bombs, antimatter weapons they admit they've developed.
00:38:01.000Some folks are like, man, don't release this right now.
00:38:05.000Only have it on PrisonPlanet.tv and we'll get a lot more members.
00:38:08.000Then you can actually pay to hire more people and do a bigger, better job.
00:38:11.000And I'm like, I understand that school of thought.
00:38:13.000We try to have both worlds where the members get it first, get it in higher quality.
00:38:17.000We have our own system so we can't be censored.
00:38:22.000I would rather reach hundreds of millions of people online with the films than just be a pure subscription system and, you know, reach a few hundred thousand.
00:38:33.000And it wouldn't even be a few hundred thousand if I didn't let people share their passcode with six people to do it.
00:38:39.000But it's a side issue if you want to be a prisonplanet.tv member and support us.
00:39:57.000I wish people understood how much danger they're in.
00:40:00.000And that cowering to this ensures It'd be like if you were in the Carpathian Mountains 300 years ago and a pack of 15 wolves was following you.
00:40:10.000I'll assure you that if you just grovel in fear and let it paralyze you and collapse, you know, down in the bushes, they're gonna come and they're gonna come and eat you.
00:40:19.000But if you try to climb a tree, try to get to high ground, try to make a fire, try to find a cabin, try to find other people, you're gonna, you're gonna make it.
00:40:33.000Or at least not trying, but if you You know, I've seen this a lot and I know you've seen it in crime videos they release out of shopping mall parking lots or security camera inside stores or people's houses where men and women will collapse in fear of just a person in their house who hadn't even pulled a weapon out yet and will do what they say.
00:40:57.000And I don't think of myself as somebody special, but I actually have been mugged repeatedly in Dallas.
00:41:02.000And I tell you, they ended up getting hurt real bad.
00:41:05.000And call that reckless, but I couldn't do anything but automatically feign that I was listening to them and then assaulting them with ferocious, high-powered, destructive, bone-crushing delivery.
00:41:20.000Because that's what I'm designed to do.
00:41:23.000You've got to have that in you as well.
00:41:27.000Believe me, I got my butt stomped plenty of times.
00:41:31.000I'm not the toughest guy around, far from it.
00:41:34.000There are people out there so fast, so mean, that it'll make your head spin.
00:44:49.000Thousands, the Mexican government estimates 2,000, I think that's conservative, of the 40 plus thousand, traced directly to guns shipped in by the ATF.
00:44:57.000They didn't just let them leave the store, that was the cover.
00:44:59.000They put out in the news the limited part when it came out in federal filings.
00:45:03.000So they said, we'll just give them the smallest part and make it all about that.
00:45:09.000I had Lieutenant Colonel Anthony Schaefer on yesterday, who ran the bin Laden program trying to kill him, who was blocked twice from killing him.
00:46:21.000They'll find people that really do want to blow stuff up and hurt people, but they're almost always led by British, Israeli, U.S., or Saudi forces.
00:47:26.000And it shows always like a three-year-old opening their Hello Kitty bag, and the troops are searching it like it's cute and fun.
00:47:34.000And they had the Texas Guard and National Guard The only press release we could find, but we talked to some others, it was the National Guard there as well, directing people and reportedly checking things and putting kids on school buses, and they're like, oh, you're just being paranoid, they want to take you to a FEMA camp, it's a drill for that.
00:47:50.000What's to acclimate the troops to everybody?
00:47:52.000Yeah, we drive buses, we put kids on them, you know, we take kids in, they're part of a community program, helping the poor kids.
00:48:23.000Winning the hearts and we're being acclimated for occupation.
00:48:26.000And it says in the articles, they're acclimating us in a friendly way.
00:48:31.000And then, you know, in the same article in Army Times, but it was Brigade Homeland starts term and the date.
00:48:43.000They actually pulled it out of there like a week later if we made a big deal out of it.
00:48:46.000But it had the kernel in there going, yeah, we're here to help, JAWS alive, car wrecks, drunk driving checkpoints, and sadly it's got to be done.
00:48:53.000We're preparing to pull triggers on the American people.
00:49:26.000And then he says, yeah, there's this army out here searching Greyhound buses.
00:49:30.000And then, the FBI pulls up and comes over and says, get out of here, here's the press release, stop trying to videotape this, it's national security.
00:49:37.000And it turned out they gave us a secret document.
00:49:40.000By the grace of God, the FBI guy's like, get out of here, and of course Mike didn't go.
00:49:45.000There's footage, you know, first the police come up and say, get out of here.
00:50:43.000And the chief of police was in here a few months ago and he's like, The world would literally have to be ending to have troops in Austin, Alex.
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00:53:59.000Folks, wait till you see this Dave Mustaine interview.
00:54:11.000I was going to release it like Friday on the Nightly News, but I'm going to take our time and release it next week.
00:54:15.000Because he said he talked about a lot of stuff in this interview he's never said.
00:55:20.000So, hey, good luck, military, if you follow these orders.
00:55:25.000Just know this, when they blow up your bases or whatever and say that Ron Paul supporters did it, you better believe that the criminal banks that run the country did it.
00:55:32.000They're trying to get us to have a civil war.
00:55:34.000So get your cameras rolling quick when the feds attack the military or federal bases.
00:55:39.000Because it's not going to be the American people.
00:55:42.000You know, you're an American too, and you're about to lose your whole future.
00:55:48.000Even if they go ahead with all this, we have damaged them so bad exposing their whole program that people already think we're psychic because everything we've talked about is coming true.
00:55:56.000Imagine if they go to the next phase and everything comes true like we said.
00:56:31.000And Bibi's declaration of war on Iran is another good article breaking it all down.
00:56:38.000Very serious information on that front.
00:56:40.000And again, what really signifies they're going towards war here Is that they're moving the G8 from Chicago to Camp David, which is a continuity of government site.
00:56:49.000They do not want this out in the open.
00:56:52.000And that shows me they like to launch wars while these conferences are going on.
00:56:58.000The White House abruptly announced yesterday that it had scuttled plans to hold the upcoming G8 Economic Summit in Chicago, and would instead host the world leaders at the presidential retreat in Camp David in Maryland.
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01:00:21.000All right, for the next hour, we for the next hour, we are joined by the one, the
01:00:43.000only, David Icke, champion goalie, sports and news reporter, formerly champion goalie, sports and news reporter, formerly the head of the Green Party in the UK, who had a massive awakening experience 20 years ago now And a lot of what he's talked about, unfortunately, has come true.
01:01:00.000You know, David was asking us in an email, well, what are some of the points Alex wants to raise?
01:01:05.000And, you know, I never even really do that with David Aykas.
01:01:07.000He's always got the points he thinks are most important, and I always tend to agree with him.
01:01:11.000I want to get into just the hurdling crisis, the openness of world government now.
01:01:16.000With the banksters running it, the NDAA, the open announcement of secret police, wars without approval, just total lawlessness out in the open.
01:01:25.000And there is, what he predicted and others did as well, a giant accelerating awakening happening.
01:01:31.000So, we are living in an incredible time, to say the least.
01:01:34.000We are at the crossroads of human destiny.
01:01:41.000Also, I'll be plugging this throughout, he is coming to the United States.
01:01:44.000Speaking at two events in Hawaii this month, in Honolulu all day on March 24th, and Maui all day on March 31st, he has a new book out called Remember Who You Are.
01:01:57.000We're going to break in about three minutes, David, but give us a prelude.
01:02:00.000What are some of the biggest things on your radar screen right now?
01:02:04.000Well, first of all, it would be nice, while I'm in Hawaii, if I can find Obama's birth certificate.
01:02:11.000I shall be looking as best I can, but I'm not confident.
01:02:17.000Funny enough, I think one of the most relevant things that gets missed a lot of the time Is that you currently have the President of the United States visiting you.
01:02:33.000And this whole area of how what I call Rothschild Zionists, which is not Jewish people over In total.
01:02:44.000It's this, what I would strongly suggest, Alex, is a secret society at its core, created and controlled to this day by the Rothschilds, that has taken over American government through organizations, not least AIPAC, and by putting their people in the key positions to control finance, to control the State Department, to control all these areas, That are pushing and pushing and pushing for this agenda that you've just been talking about.
01:03:14.000I mean, someone like Joseph Lieberman, for instance, Rothschild's Zionist, again and again, comes up to articulate and try to promote things that are in the agenda.
01:03:23.000Not least, of course, in his case, censorship of the Internet.
01:03:28.000And this is an area that we really, you know, ...need to stop, um, hiding from and pussyfooting around, because this is not about itched Jewish people.
01:03:57.000Why do you think Israel wants war, or some of the interests over there want war so bad?
01:04:02.000Well, because, you know, What we have, and we've got a break shortly, but what we have is a global structure, Alex, which is akin to a transnational corporation.
01:04:15.000If you look at something like McDonald's, it will have a headquarters somewhere in the world, in America in this case, and in each country around the world, McDonald's will have subsidiaries, like other transnational corporations, and those subsidiaries are there to carry out and introduce The policies and the direction and the agenda of the headquarters.
01:04:56.000And then we'll get into all the rest of the things that are happening.
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01:09:21.000I just want to hear what he has to say.
01:09:22.000And he brought up the fact that, you know, Israel and some of the things that are going on there being very close to the core of this and tying it into the Rothschilds.
01:09:33.000Well, what I was saying, Alex, is that This global network, this global cabal of families and secret societies operates like a transnational corporation.
01:09:46.000A transnational corporation, I was saying, has a headquarters somewhere in the world and then the subsidiaries in each country carry out the agenda and the policies dictated from the center.
01:09:55.000So, for instance, if you go into a McDonald's in Moscow or Johannesburg or Sydney or New York, you're going into basically the same McDonald's.
01:10:02.000Well, what this cabal has created is a secret society and family bloodline a version of that, where the headquarters at operational level certainly is in Europe.
01:10:13.000It's in places like the city of London, in Paris, in Rome, and Brussels, places like that.
01:10:19.000In America, yes, to an extent, but nothing like as much as you'd think, considering how powerful and upfront America has been in the public arena.
01:10:30.000And so, when you look at names like the United States, Israel even, Britain, These are just names for subsidiaries of the global network.
01:10:43.000And they're working to a central, dictated plan.
01:10:46.000And that's why there's global standardization.
01:10:49.000I mean, it's the same system across the boards.
01:10:55.000The Rothschilds created modern Israel, and as many Jewish historians have written at length about, there is no historical justification for it.
01:11:18.000They're planning to hang them out to dry again in this planned third world war.
01:11:23.000They couldn't give a damn about Jewish people in general and it's about time Jewish people in general started to realize this because they've been had by these people.
01:11:33.000They have no more concern for them as they have for the rest of the population.
01:11:39.000So Israel's there to create upheaval, divide and rule, and agitation in that crucial part of the world as part of a much greater global plan.
01:11:55.000And Israel is an arm of the Rothschilds, just as the United States and Britain are arms of the Rothschilds.
01:12:02.000And this is why America gives so much fantastic amounts of billions of dollars every year to Israel, this sliver of land in the Middle East, which has a population of little more, if even that, of 8 million people.
01:12:21.000And the reason they do that is because one arm of the Rothschilds, the American government, is handing that money from American taxpayers and borrowing to another arm of the Rothschilds, the Israeli government.
01:12:33.000And it doesn't go to the Israeli people.
01:12:35.000In September of 2011, something like 400,000 Jewish people, Israelis, were on the streets in Israel protesting against their treatment and their economic plight, just as the same was happening were on the streets in Israel protesting against their treatment and their economic plight, just as the 400,000 people in a country of less than 8 million.
01:12:59.000So it's not going to Jewish people, it's going to the cabal that control Israel.
01:13:22.000Now, why is it that at a time when so many Americans are in such terrible economic plights, when you are having enormous numbers of people losing their jobs, losing their homes, losing their livelihoods, that if you losing their homes, losing their livelihoods, that if you add all the hidden costs in, the American government is still spending, borrowing and using taxpayers' money to the tune of something like a trillion dollars a year, It's more than that.
01:14:30.000The Rothschilds, as you know, 1215, when Napoleon said he'd won to buy up the stock market when it crashed and then it went back up.
01:14:37.000That's all on record, but they sued the mail And then lost.
01:14:42.000The mail said, you know, the big paper said, you are a secret, you know, mastermind, puppet master, secretly running all these oligarchs and banks.
01:14:51.000And then he sued him, and then it came out, the judge said that they'd lied to him, Nathan Rothschild had, and then indeed, he was this puppet master.
01:14:59.000So I wanted to throw that at you to get your take on it.
01:15:02.000Well, the House of Rothschild are one of the major expressions of this bloodline network.
01:15:10.000And what they've done brilliantly in the last hundred and odd years from the turn of the 20th century is to increase their power and increase their economic power and political manipulative power While appearing to have faded into the background.
01:15:32.000What they do is they put people forward like Goldman Sachs and Lloyd Blankfein and people like this to do their work in the public arena.
01:15:45.000I've seen in like a big establishment publications that are more for elites it says like the word Rothschild means discretion and secrecy and that's even admitted.
01:15:54.000So why do you think he sued the mail for a newspaper for reporting something that's well known?
01:16:00.000Well, only he knows that, but he made a big mistake, that's for sure.
01:16:05.000And maybe the tide is starting to turn.
01:16:08.000I think there are signs that it is, because the Rothschilds now are increasingly finding it more and more difficult to hide behind anonymity.
01:16:17.000Well, that was why I asked the question now, is what does that signify that the court ruled against him?
01:16:22.000Well, I think, Alex, I am seeing more and more signs, not great revelations that change society yet, but I am seeing signs that the tide is beginning to turn.
01:16:36.000But as I was saying, Netanyahu, therefore, Just like the American military is serving the Rothschilds agenda, so Netanyahu is serving the Rothschilds agenda, so Obama is serving the Rothschilds agenda, so David Cameron's serving the Rothschilds agenda, and the Rothschilds agenda is for a series of Domino takeovers and wars in the Middle East leading to a third world war between NATO and the so-called West and Russia and China.
01:17:04.000So all these people are not operating, I mean listeners to the show will know this, but they're not operating at random and making up as they go along.
01:17:15.000This is part of a plan of the Rothschild's orchestration.
01:17:24.000Yeah, this is what people need to appreciate, to start to see the world in the way that it is, as opposed to the movie that we're sold through the mainstream media and through politics.
01:17:37.000That is, the borders that we see as divisions between countries, divisions between units of nation, Sure, compartmentalization.
01:17:47.000We're about to go to break, but I want to ask you this.
01:17:52.000is manipulating into all these different countries.
01:17:55.000So at the peak of their pyramids, that cabal in each country that runs the politics, the banking, et cetera, is answering to the same mass. - Sure, compartmentalization.
01:18:06.000We're about to go to break, but I wanna ask you this.
01:18:09.000From everything I've seen, it's not going well, but they still got the momentum to try to carry it out. - Well, I've been feeling for a while, Alex, a sense of panic.
01:18:20.000And when you panic, you make mistakes.
01:18:22.000And when you panic, you tend to be unable to keep under wraps what you're doing.
01:18:30.000And I'm seeing this happening more and more and more.
01:18:33.000On one level, they are pushing on and on and on.
01:18:40.000And all this Orwellian extremism that's coming in, it's because It's a defense mechanism, overwhelmingly, to the awakening of the people, which they knew was coming and they now know is really gathering more and more momentum.
01:18:56.000It's no accident, Alex, or coincidence.
01:18:58.000I mean, goodness me, what are the chances of it?
01:19:00.000That at the very time, demonstrably, more and more people from all walks of life, people who would have laughed at this not long ago, are opening their minds to a new vision of the world at the very same time that this Orwellian extremism is getting more and more extreme.
01:19:17.000It's because it's a defense mechanism.
01:19:19.000They're terrified of humanity waking up.
01:19:21.000Because the only way they've been able to enslave humanity up to this point is humanity being asleep to what's going on.
01:19:28.000That's changing, and that's why they're worried, and that's why they're panicking, and that's why they're trying to push this agenda on faster and faster and faster.
01:19:35.000Because they know there's a point when a humanity will have awakened enough for the game to be over.
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01:23:59.000All right, I want to segue into the open world government being announced, the militarization of police, everything that David and others have talked about unfolding today.
01:24:16.000So where does he see things going now that our credibility just rises and rises and rises?
01:24:20.000But on the issue of Israel, I want to be nuanced about this because this is my real feelings and research on it.
01:24:27.000I, of course, learn stuff all the time.
01:24:30.000I have researched this over the years.
01:24:42.000And, of course, I was naive early on because I'm somebody who never gets into any racial stuff, tribal stuff, mafia stuff, any of this.
01:24:51.000I just am about liberty and freedom and all humans are good and bad.
01:24:56.000But on the Israel subject, really studying it in the mainline history books that have been written, that the Rothschilds actually helped at many levels keep Jews in Germany, wouldn't let them immigrate anywhere but Israel before Israel was set up again.
01:25:11.000You have the ringworm children, over 110,000 Jewish children microwaved, fried, a lot of them killed by the Israeli government along with the U.S.
01:25:20.000So this eugenics agenda It's targeting everybody.
01:25:23.000I mean, Jewish people don't get a memo, hey, don't take vaccines, it's going to give you Crohn's.
01:25:28.000They don't get a memo, hey, don't drink the fluoride, you know, 99%.
01:25:32.000Like you said, it's hiding within, you know, Jewish religion, some of it hiding within patriotism for Israel.
01:25:43.000And the average Jew I talk to is totally unaware of this.
01:25:46.000But again, and I don't see it as even the heart of this program being about Israel or about Jewish religion or any of that, but it is one of the central spokes to it.
01:25:59.000In the final equation, David, this is a system That wants to destroy everybody, and I think you were getting at that, but you cannot deny that the Rothschilds are right at the center of it, and then you.
01:26:10.000I mean, I know you, 15 years ago, never talked about Israel or Jewish stuff, and you would be attacked and say, you're really being anti-Semitic with code words.
01:26:32.000This is the thing that we need to do as a human race.
01:26:37.000Those that were on the streets of Israel, 400,000 and more, those who have been on the streets of New York, of Britain, of Greece, Australia, all over the world, we need to realize that The force that we are protesting against, whether it's the Israeli government, the Australian government, whatever, is the same force.
01:27:03.000They're just different masks on the same global face.
01:27:07.000And the Israelis and the government and hierarchy and the Rothschilds, etc., have just as much absolute contempt for the mass of Jewish people as they have for everyone else.
01:27:21.000And this is an interesting thing that a lot of people don't realize, is that the first Zionist Congress was held in Baal, Switzerland, in the latter years of the 19th century, but But that's not where it was supposed to have been held to start with.
01:27:39.000The first Zionist Congress was scheduled to be held in Munich, Germany.
01:27:44.000And they had to move it to Switzerland because of opposition from Jewish people in Germany who didn't want anything to do, thank you very much, With being transported to Israel according to this Zionist agenda.
01:27:59.000In other words, Rothschild Zionist agenda.
01:28:02.000And then of course, and I would strongly suggest this is not a coincidence, the German Jews were treated grotesquely.
01:28:12.000Um, in the decades that followed, through the rise of the Nazi party and all that stuff, which, and of course the Nazis were funded by the Rockefellers, by the Bush family, through the... On record!
01:28:39.000Yes, exactly, and it's like I've just said, Alex.
01:28:42.000There are no borders with these people, and if we see borders and divisions like that, we're going to lose the plot.
01:28:47.000And so, as a result of the appalling way that Jews were treated in Germany, suddenly they were moving out of Germany to Israel, and they were moving to the United States.
01:28:59.000In other words, the Rothschilds got what they wanted as a result of the Nazis and what they did.
01:29:07.000Now, when you look at Israel, And their grotesque treatment of the Palestinians, it is a mirror of the way the Nazis operated in Germany in so many ways.
01:29:20.000Now, that is not a paradox, because the same force that was behind the Nazis That treated the Jews in that way in Germany is the same force behind the Israeli regime that's treating the Palestinians as they are today.
01:29:36.000All right, stay there, David, and get a drink of water, because I can hear you need to cough.
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01:33:31.000George Get power out of wars and they get to take the liberties of the general public.
01:33:39.000And whether it's communist Chinese or thug enforcers here in the United States, Israel or anywhere, they have the same wicked gleam in their eye of Authoritarian domination.
01:34:06.000My goal is to have humanity survive and thrive, and to have a future, and I want everyone, race, color, creed, religion, to do that.
01:34:13.000But the globalists are masters at playing us off against each other, and masters, through multiculturalism, to actually turn everyone against each other in the name of that, and to try to force populations in together, to play them off against each other.
01:35:13.000And, you know, I've been saying for a long, long time that this is not just happening in the realms of the reality that we experience.
01:35:22.000It's coming from somewhere much deeper.
01:35:25.000And you cannot orchestrate... You've just articulated a long list of things, Alex, and they are a long list of things within an enormous, vast list of things that are happening, and they dovetail with each other.
01:35:42.000Um, being orchestrated, uh, not by people sitting around, uh, the tables deciding the next move, but, but from very, very, uh, uh, deep beyond this reality, I would suggest, and it's playing out here.
01:35:54.000A simple thing, uh, how, and I've, I've noticed this, and I'm sure other people have too, who've researched this.
01:36:02.000When something happens, there's never one reason for it.
01:36:05.000There might be a prime reason, but there's never just one reason.
01:36:08.000And what they, what you've got now is the Um, and I've talked about it in this new book, funnily enough, which, which, which of course was written, finished some months ago.
01:36:19.000On one side, they want this war with Iran, and they are creating mayhem and devastation in the Middle East.
01:36:27.000But on the other hand, of course, that's bound to have a massive impact, and we've seen nothing yet, I would suggest, on oil prices, which then devastates the world economy.
01:36:37.000So it's like everything connects to everything else, and nothing's working in isolation.
01:36:44.000And as I've been saying for years, the time's going to come.
01:36:47.000When they are going to throw absolutely everything at us.
01:36:52.000So that we, in a panic, in despair, just say, do something.
01:36:58.000They're lining up a whole bunch of agendas that build towards that interlocking nexus at the top, and they only do things if it adds another Lego, or another domino, or another stack in the pyramid to their whole agenda.
01:37:33.000Well, what's interesting, you know, when you research this, is whether it's religions or whether it's ancient cultures or whatever, if you just Just take a step back from the different names and the different ways of describing it.
01:37:49.000There is an unbelievable common theme.
01:37:54.000The Sumerian tablets found in what is now Iraq talk about a non-human force, they call it, that has become known as the Anunnaki, those who from heaven to earth came.
01:38:03.000In the Islamic religion, they have the phenomenon of the jinn, that are entities that operate outside of human sight, manipulate humanity without being seen, and manipulate human perception of reality through the human mind.
01:38:20.000You then have the... Yeah, they play tricks on you.
01:38:22.000You ask for a ton of gold, but you better ask for it ten feet in front of you, they're gonna drop it on your head.
01:38:27.000And then you have the demon theme within the Christian religion and what have you.
01:38:35.000And then you have the Gnostics, which is a word I understand means knowledge.
01:38:41.000These were the Cathars who were slaughtered.
01:38:44.000These were the people that ran the great library of Alexandria who were slaughtered.
01:38:53.000But in 1945 in Egypt, a great mass of them were found.
01:38:58.000Um, which gave the Gnostic view of what's happening in the world.
01:39:02.000And one-fifth, something like one-fifth of the text are about entities they call Archons, which are manipulating human society and manipulating it through the human mind.
01:39:15.000Exactly what the Islamic religion says.
01:39:20.000And the Zulu culture, where they talk about the Chittahuri, the children of the... Well, look at Jewish mysticism and all of that, and King Solomon and the genies and all that.
01:39:35.000Dividing and compartmentalizing these things by the different names and the different name given to the belief system.
01:39:43.000Okay, so I mean this is pretty far out because I normally cover just political stuff we can prove, but obviously we can cover this for any audience because the elite at Bohemian Grove Skull and Bones, they are obsessed with it.
01:39:54.000I've talked to people on record and off record, rich widows of very famous people where their husbands were worshipping the owl idols, the goat idols, They really believe in this.
01:41:09.000And what's happening at Satanic Rituals while they're doing the sacrifice is the entities operating outside the very narrow frequency band of human sight called visible light by scientists.
01:41:20.000They're feeding off the energy of terror that's coming off the victim.
01:41:26.000And so a war, a war, pepper-bombing Tripoli or Baghdad or a world war...
01:41:57.000So we have a bloodthirsty... So you're talking about interdimensional vampires, basically, which we see them bombarding us with vampiric iconography.
01:42:21.000Yes, they say that cannibalism was introduced to human society by these entities because they they are cannibals and they eat human flesh and drink human blood as do their hybrid representatives that we call the elite bloodlines of the aristocracy and the royal families and those that control the banks and all the governments and all the rest of it.
01:42:40.000So this whole human sacrifice cannibalistic phenomenon came with these entities and therefore for a long time When humans were, shall we say, less evolved than they are now, at least large numbers of them are now, they could openly do their sacrifices to the gods.
01:43:03.000And by the way, when they talked about the sacrificing young virgins to the gods, that was code for children.
01:43:11.000This is why so many children go missing and end up being sacrificed to the gods.
01:43:15.000But there came a point where humanity had grown up to the point where it was no longer acceptable to do this stuff openly.
01:43:25.000The whole Bible says, give not your children to the fires of Moloch.
01:43:29.000I mean, it says children being sacrificed right there.
01:43:32.000But yeah, I mean, what I'm saying is that people have no problem, Alex, that there was human sacrifice and child sacrifice in the ancient world, right?
01:44:06.000Because these entities want the energy of children before puberty.
01:44:12.000Because at puberty, we see puberty as a hormonal chemical change.
01:44:16.000But what it is to these entities is the human energy field of the children changes and it plays through as hormonal change at the chemical level, but it starts and is fundamentally driven by an energetic change.
01:44:30.000They want the child's energy before that change takes place, and that's why they're obsessed with children, and that's why there's so many missing children.
01:44:40.000Even to most conspiracy researchers, who brilliantly, and good luck to them, are doing the...
01:44:48.000The banking, the wars, the manipulated wars, the manipulated terrorist attacks, even to many of them, they won't go here, but this is what's happening.
01:44:59.000I'm sure you know about this, but it turns out Dyncor, who's been in congressional hearings running giant child kidnapping rings, I mean, even the UN said in a two-year period in Southern Europe, 1.2 million women and children went missing.
01:45:11.000I mean, this is, this is like factory-level Armageddon, Holocaust, extermination level, disappearing into all these labyrinths to feed this, the snuff films, all of it.
01:45:22.000But then I learned, people said, you didn't know?
01:45:24.000It was actually what Catherine Austin Fitz about five years ago pointed out, and I went and looked, I went and search engined it, and it was true!
01:45:32.000That DynCorp runs the private CPS, on average they've got more than half the contracts in the country, at the health departments, and they're DynCorp people, And that it even came out on CNN a few years after that, that in Florida alone, there was like 3,500 missing kids they'd taken.
01:45:50.000They were finding them dead in other countries and stuff, but it got shut down.
01:45:54.000They are actually operating the CPS, in many cases, is actually a foreign kidnapping ring operation.
01:46:01.000I mean, it's so off the charts evil right there.
01:46:07.000Alex, that's an interesting point because in this new book, Remember Who You Are, in the last one, Human Rights Get Off Your Knees, I address this very subject in considerable detail because I've had a lot of experience of it in this country and in America.
01:46:23.000When I say experience, I mean I've Interacted and been with people who've had their children taken away and stuff like that.
01:46:31.000And as a result of that, I realized just how this child protection services scam is not there to protect children.
01:46:55.000See, this is what I've gone into in detail in these books, because they are seeking to have an endless flow of children for what they want and what they do with them.
01:47:12.000And what better way than to control child protection services?
01:47:16.000Now, what's happened in Britain, and I know it's happened in America, because I've researched all that, is that the number of children being taken Not just from, you know, families per se, but from blatantly loving families and caring families is going off the Richter scale.
01:47:33.000Tony Blair, who's big time involved in all this and absolutely agrees with it, he, when he was Prime Minister of Britain, introduced, believe it or not, incentives, financial incentives to councils to meet targets for taking children away from No, it's global standardization.
01:47:53.000Bill Clinton started that, where they have to increase the quota each year or get none of the federal money.
01:47:58.000I mean, these are, and of course he's an admitted occultist, his wife's a witch, and they are just, they, when you see Tony Blair, folks, it is a literal vampire.
01:48:06.000Just that, you know, the teeth don't, you know, do all that.
01:48:13.000You are giving financial incentives to these organizations to meet... You pay so they can steal your kids and gang rape them before they cut their heads off and do all the things to them.
01:48:26.000Any sane society that cared about the children and cared about justice would never have any incentive to take children away from their parents because every single case would have to be judged on the merits of the case.
01:48:43.000Well, the CPS worldwide is five times more likely, it's the same in England, to abuse children than any other group.
01:48:48.000It's admitted that they are a black hole of child abuse and devilry.
01:48:55.000Yes, they are, and it happens in every country.
01:48:58.000Now, we come back to this global web I talked about earlier.
01:49:01.000This global web not only controls the banking system and the transnational corporations and the governments and the media ownership, and the mainstream level.
01:49:11.000It also controls, via these corporations, and in Britain via the British government network, these child protection services.
01:49:21.000It controls the police that's supposed to investigate the abuse of children and allegations by children about abuse by famous people, but they don't.
01:49:35.000They don't because that's controlled too.
01:49:38.000They control the courts, which take the children away against all the evidence.
01:49:46.000This network, this global corporation of bloodlines... Pure devilry.
01:49:51.000Controls all these different elements of society, so we're not looking at individual isolated dots like the courts and the CPS and all the rest of it.
01:50:03.000Let me tell you, I've been to these CPS courts watching it and I've seen it across the nation on YouTube, the court hearings.
01:50:09.000It's 90% of the time a weird, jackboot, butch-haired woman screaming at families and literally licking their lips.
01:50:16.000I mean, you're looking, if you saw the woman on the street, you'd say, that is some kind of pervert demon.
01:50:20.000And they are giant pervert demons, openly, like an octopus just grabbing kids.
01:50:27.000I mean, it's just, it's like the witch from The Little Mermaid.
01:50:31.000I mean, these judges that take the kids, 90% of them or more, every time I see them, they look like the witch from The Little Mermaid.
01:50:38.000Yeah, well, we've had people in this country, after they've won in a court to take children away from loving families, we've had them high-fiving in the court.
01:50:47.000This is what we're dealing with, no empathy.
01:50:50.000No, no, the vampires know, man, it's gonna be gang raping tonight.
01:50:54.000They're gonna have that kid crying, squealing, and they're gonna be lucky if they live.
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01:54:28.000I wanted to tell you, David's going to be speaking at two events in Hawaii this month, in Honolulu all day on March 24th, and Maui all day on March 31st.
01:54:38.000He has a new book out called Remember Who You Are, David Icke.com, and I should add, again, I remember 15, 16 years ago seeing David Icke stuff and thinking, man, this is crazy.
01:54:47.000But over the years, the way he politely just took some mean comments I'd said about him, like a gentleman, and then the fact that listening to him and talking to him, I just have a good feeling, I've learned to go off my instincts.
01:54:59.000I just get a good feeling when I listen to him, when I talk to him.
01:55:03.000And I don't 100% go off my discernment, but I just do.
01:55:05.000And I hope everything he's saying isn't true, because it's so crazy.
01:55:09.000But regardless, a lot of it's turned out to be true, and we just need to realize we're in a spiritual world.
01:55:17.000There's a lot going on we don't see, and the elites are obsessed with it, and they're in control.
01:56:10.000So I hope that you will go there and support us if you believe in the message we're putting out and want to support free speech in this country.
01:56:16.000Going back to David, only three or four minutes left in this segment, five minutes to the next.
01:56:20.000David, it's very painful to me to know that they are obsessed with hurting children.
01:56:54.000Well, I was talking 22 years ago from the very start of my conscious awareness of any of this stuff about the fact that there was a vibrational change coming.
01:57:06.000I dubbed them the truth vibrations because I understood that they would have the effect of bringing to the surface all that had been hidden.
01:57:22.000I mean, the very fact that what we're doing now, talking about this stuff, what we know now about what's happening in the world and what's going on in the background and how it's controlled is off the Richter scale compared with what we knew 22 years ago, even 10 years ago, much of it, and what have you.
01:57:40.000And the other thing that I was told would happen is that this vibrational change, this quickening of the vibrational fabric of this reality would have the effect of acting like a spiritual alarm clock and people would start to wake up from their slumber, their coma, their amnesic state, and they would start to,
01:58:03.000this is the title of the book, this is where it comes from, they would start to remember who they really were, not the body, but consciousness, infinite consciousness with infinite potential, having an experience through the vehicle of the body.
01:58:17.000And clearly, when I look back 22 years, I look back 10 years, even five years, the numbers of people now who are awakening to another view of themselves and the world is absolutely Back in 60 seconds.
02:00:58.000The whole idea, the whole foundation of the conspiracy to enslave humanity is to enslave us in merely, purely, five-sense reality.
02:01:09.000So everything is what the five senses perceive it to be.
02:01:12.000When that's just the vehicle, the way we interact with this reality, the real self is consciousness, infinite consciousness, like a droplet in an infinite ocean.
02:01:22.000And, of course, when you put a droplet in an ocean, where's the droplet end and the ocean start?
02:01:27.000We are the great infinite field of consciousness.
02:01:32.000We're just a different point of attention within it.
02:01:36.000My point of attention is called David Icke.
02:01:42.000And, of course, when people start to understand that and they realize we're all one experiencing itself in different ways, then the ability to divide and rule us starts to fade because the perception of apartness, the perception of something being apart from us, therefore there can be a division between us, starts to fade.
02:02:04.000So they have to keep us, not only for that reason, but for others, like keeping us in ignorance, they have to keep us focused in five-sense reality.
02:02:14.000And it's a bit like symbolic of consciousness, me sitting at a computer with the keyboard and the mouse.
02:02:22.000and I am interacting with the internet, the collective reality, through a computer.
02:02:28.000And that's fine as long as I'm dictating to the computer where it goes and what it thinks about where it goes and all its perceptions.
02:02:37.000If you get to a point where the person at the keyboard and the mouse is disconnected from the computer or an influence of it, the computer is now deciding where it goes.
02:02:49.000And of course, a computer is programmable.
02:03:06.000It's the vehicle which allows us to lock into this narrow band of frequencies that we call the world and experience them and interact with them.
02:03:15.000But when the body-computer-mind becomes the governor and not the servant of consciousness, then you're in a situation where the few can control the many.
02:03:25.000Just like It would be if the computer started deciding where it was going to go on the internet and what it thought of it.
02:03:33.000The perception of the computer, with all its great limitations and ignorance compared with human consciousness, would be much easier to control en masse than awake people who are conscious and can see between the lines and can see things that a computer program can't see.
02:03:51.000We're out of time, but you've graciously agreed to come back on the nightly news.
02:03:55.000We'll then air on the radio the next day on or around the 20th, so we will expand and get into the book itself in that second interview, and I can't wait to read it.
02:04:05.000Thank you so much for spending time with us today.
02:04:16.000Certainly gets you thinking, and he's a gentleman who I believe is pure of heart and really done a lot to get people thinking, and that's something that we're all very, very thankful for.
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02:04:45.000Bruce Fine, who is Ron Paul Campaign's Senior Policy Advisor, will be joining us on the campaign, the latest police state developments, all these wars coming up.
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02:08:22.000Of course, I'll also be back this evening, seven o'clock, with the InfoWars Nightly News.
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02:08:55.000He just doesn't fully get the foreign policy.
02:08:58.000And some of the media did things like imply that, well, Ron Paul says we're like the Taliban's.
02:09:03.000So people really get concerned about the military situation.
02:09:07.000I want to raise that first with Bruce Fein, who we're very thankful for joining us in his busy schedule.
02:09:12.000Senior policy advisor to Ron Paul, 2012 campaign.
02:09:16.000Of course, to go over his bio would take a while, but it's important to.
02:09:21.000Bruce Fein specializes in constitutional and international law.
02:09:24.000He's a frequent witness before Congress and is a regular guest on national television and radio.
02:09:29.000He is chairman of the American Freedom Agenda, founder of Bruce Fine and Associates, Inc., and the Lynchfield Group, author of Constitutional Peril, The Life and Death Struggle of Our Constitution and Democracy, a weekly columnist for the Washington Times.
02:09:42.000Mr. Fine graduated with honors from Harvard Law School in 72, clerked for the prestigious Federal Court, served as special assistant to the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel and the Assistant Attorney General for Antitrust.
02:09:54.000It was involved in some big antitrust cases.
02:09:56.000Assistant Director of the Office of Legal Policy, Associate Deputy Attorney General, General Counsel of the Federal Communications Commission, Counsel of the Joint Congressional Committee on Covert Arms Sales to Iran, Visiting Fellow for Constitutional Studies with the Heritage Foundation, Adjunct Scholar at the American Enterprise Institute, and Guest Lecturer at the Brookings Institute, to name just a few.
02:10:15.000But he's Ron Paul's Chief Policy Advisor.
02:10:24.000There was fraud there, and now they're trying the same old tricks, but he's winning by injecting real issues.
02:10:30.000But continuing with the foreign policy, I see the former Heather Mossad saying don't attack Iran.
02:10:36.000I see most of the generals, the last two Joint Chiefs of Staff chairmen, say don't do it.
02:10:40.000But then when Ron Paul goes with even what the CIA is saying about this isn't a good idea, he's the bad guy.
02:10:46.000So how is the minority view The majority view with Romney and Santorum and Gingrich, and then how is Ron Paul bad, Bruce?
02:10:56.000Because he's actually a scholar and informed.
02:10:59.000Perhaps you can tell us why you think that's the case.
02:11:02.000Well, it's my book, American Empire Before the Fall.
02:11:05.000It's recently published by Campaign for Liberty, which describes what I style the psychology of empire.
02:11:12.000Even if it's a minority view and the majority of Americans are not out on the streets marching to say, invade Iran, you know, we can't tolerate a nuclear capable Iran, even though we can, a nuclear capable Pakistan, a nuclear armed India or North Korea.
02:11:28.000But it is this psychology of empire that sort of pervaded our elite, if you will.
02:11:34.000And Ron Paul, you correctly identify as someone who's expressing the majority viewpoint.
02:11:39.000And I want to underscore this total media misrepresentation of Ron Paul's stance on foreign policy.
02:11:46.000When it comes to being a hawk on defending Americans on American soil, Ron Paul is the biggest hawk of all.
02:11:54.000He doesn't believe, however, that we should be squandering our defense resources on defending other countries or other peoples.
02:12:01.000That's for humanitarians or their other countries to do.
02:12:04.000And we're spending trillions of dollars and wasting lives and limb of Americans for other people's liberty, even assuming that our motives are altruistic.
02:12:14.000And take, for example, the situation in Iran.
02:12:17.000Remember, Alex, you and I lived through the Cuban Missile Crisis.
02:12:23.000We know it doesn't matter how power-hungry you are, no country has ever craved nuclear incineration.
02:12:28.000And we could totally and we should threaten any country who would attack us with nuclear weapons or non-nuclear weapons with incineration, if they're going to be the aggressor.
02:12:37.000And that kind of threat And deterrent works.
02:12:40.000It's worked every single year throughout the Cold War.
02:12:43.000There's no indication that somehow, for the first time in 4,000 years, Iranian rulers covered.
02:12:49.000They covet, you know, distinct, you know, destruction.
02:12:52.000If they wanted that, they could jump into the Tigris and Euphrates tomorrow and drown themselves to visit their alleged 77 virgins in heaven.
02:12:59.000Well, haven't the Iranians shown the opposite?
02:13:15.000When we shot down the USS Vincennes, we shot down an airliner over the Persian Gulf, killed almost 300.
02:13:22.000There was negotiations for reparations.
02:13:26.000The Iranians didn't say, aha, now we're going to launch a nuclear attack on the United States, even if it could be done, you know, given the problem of delivery vehicles going that far.
02:13:36.000And then it said, well, but they might attack Israel.
02:13:39.000Yeah, that's Israel's problem, not ours.
02:13:41.000And we should authorize, you know, Israel's got to do, every country has a right of self-preservation.
02:13:46.000Ron Paul has said Israel has 400 nuclear weapons, high-tech system.
02:13:52.000I mean, Iran would commit suicide if they did that.
02:13:55.000Absolutely, and they've never tried to do anything like that before.
02:14:08.000And historically as well, Alex, Iran has not been hostile to Israel.
02:14:12.000If you think about its birth, 1948, the only country in the Middle East that did not declare war on Israel was Iran.
02:14:21.000So there isn't any kind of megalomania and messianic fanaticism about destroying Israel.
02:14:28.000And there's no reason why Israel's deterrent wouldn't work just like ours.
02:14:32.000They clearly have a more formidable nuclear arsenal than you've identified.
02:14:37.000And why would Iran and its leaders who covet the exercise of power You know, do something that would invite destruction.
02:14:45.000Even the North Koreans, they're probably even crazier than the Iranians with regard to their fanatical control on their population, have not launched nuclear weapons against any other country.
02:14:58.000And moreover, if deterrence is cast aside, Alex, there's no stopping point.
02:15:03.000Then we could go into any country in the world and say, we're bombing you because we don't think that you ought to have a nuclear capability at some time.
02:15:09.000Well, there you go, professor, constitutional lawyer Bruce Fine.
02:15:13.000That's exactly what they say in the NDAA.
02:15:15.000Break that down, because First, Obama says he's not going to sign it.
02:15:43.000It is, and think where we've gone from Libya.
02:15:46.000The discussion right now on attacking Iran, it's all assumed, contrary to the Constitution, that the President alone will decide.
02:15:54.000You know, he's talking to AIPAC, he'd make these speeches saying, well, I will decide it's not going to be a containment, it's going to be something else.
02:16:37.000And what he did is almost a tea party compared to the sacrilege of the Constitution that goes on daily right now in the White House.
02:16:47.000So how do we break the hoax, Bruce, that Ron Paul is a strange bird when it comes to defense of this country when, as you just stated, he... I mean, look, most of the Israeli experts, that's not a secret.
02:17:03.000In the Israeli press, they admit most of their military's saying, don't attack Iran because it'll make Israel look like the bad guy.
02:17:15.000You know, a few months ago protesting their economy.
02:17:18.000I mean, why do you think Netanyahu and others are creeping towards it?
02:17:24.000Well, Israel in some sense, Alex, is a microcosm of our own empire psychology.
02:17:30.000And it's something that's not flattering about human nature, but there are mentalities that get a thrill, that get sort of gratified out of being the bully on the playground.
02:17:39.000And even when you have the highest levels of Mossad saying Iran is not an existential threat to Israel, Israel sort of feels, you know, this is our manhood, if you will, you know, we're not going to permit the Holocaust again until everybody gets their adrenaline pumping.
02:17:53.000And it's a very juvenile and infantile attitude to have when, you know, the people's lives are at stake in huge numbers.
02:18:00.000And that's, I think, what we're witnessing in Israel.
02:18:03.000It's like every time you get an entity with unchecked power, it then becomes arrogant and then finds kind of adolescent thrill over asserting its power and being a bully there.
02:18:17.000But it sounds simplistic, but in fact, that's what's going on.
02:18:21.000I mean, nobody in your audience, Alex, has ever woken up and worried that Iran was going to have a nuclear weapon come down on their city.
02:18:29.000In fact, no one in their daily life makes any decision based on a fear that Iran will use nuclear weapons against the United States.
02:18:37.000And yet here we are as a country suggesting, my gosh, it's just around the corner and we've got a bomb and another hundred billion dollars and risk all the wrath of the Middle East.
02:18:46.000In order to prevent a nuclear capability from arising in New York.
02:18:49.000But that's what like 95% literally, because I read the papers constantly.
02:18:54.000Almost all the experts say, almost no threat from Iran.
02:18:58.000But if you attack them, then Israel really is going to be in trouble.
02:19:02.000Yeah, of course they will, because it's natural to seek retaliation when you're brutalized by an aggressor.
02:19:09.000And that's what to me seems so astonishing, is this idea that human nature is different in Iran than in the United States, and they'll just accept our attack and then surrender and say, okay, you tell us how you want us to reconstruct our government, we'll abandon nuclear weapons.
02:19:26.000I mean, that's truly living in fantasy land.
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02:24:51.000Okay, Bruce, you know, you're there, you're helping the campaign, advising, which really shows how much Ron Paul respects you.
02:24:58.000Where do you see the campaign going right now?
02:25:02.000Well, I think the effort is to assemble as large a delegate count as we can, keep the message pure and straight.
02:25:09.000You'll notice that he was the only one who didn't use euphemisms to describe the rather harsh language Russ Limbaugh had used.
02:25:19.000political debate and Ron is out there for the message.
02:25:23.000He's not out there as a megalomaniac, egomaniac, just trying to, you know, build a brand that he can then capitalize on making speeches.
02:25:31.000And so I think he's working at the caucus level and with the contributions making clear that he's in this all the way through August.
02:25:41.000So it may well be that at that time he would have the delegate A number that could be used as bargaining to push the other nominees over the top with a majority.
02:25:53.000I think, Alex, there's a substantial likelihood that none of the four remaining contenders will arrive in Tampa in August with a majority of delegates because the majority of states are not winner-take-all states but proportional representation.
02:26:11.000So there's a a substantial splintering of the delegates in all of these primaries.
02:26:15.000And that's why even today, you know, Romney at the head of the PAC has got less than 200 delegates.
02:26:20.000That's towards a total of a thousand, I think, 1144 needed for a majority.
02:26:26.000So he's he's he's less than 10 percent of the way there.
02:26:30.000And and Ron, I think, is very, very scrupulous, indefatigable in campaigning.
02:26:39.000And then some of the smaller states where the caucus there will be important and delegates.
02:26:56.000There was clearly a lot of chicanery going on in Iowa.
02:26:58.000People say, well, then why get behind him if it's fraud?
02:27:00.000Well, we show there's fraud by him running, and we have Ron Paul there injecting real ideas.
02:27:06.000But if they cheated him on the time of the debates, if they've done all these other dirty tricks, I mean, what's your view?
02:27:12.000I mean, I know it's kind of looking backwards, and it can be seen as being, you know, a spoiled sport.
02:27:17.000But I mean, when the referees are cheating, you've got to call it.
02:27:21.000Well, absolutely, you've got to call it.
02:27:23.000But I think even the cheating has not really diminished substantially Ron's ability to get his message through Alex.
02:27:30.000And I think that shows that when you put him head-to-head with Obama, and then are polling the entire electorate, not just the Republican electorate, you find Ron scoring better than Santorum.
02:27:43.000Well better than Romney in a lot of them.
02:27:45.000In many of the polls I've seen Ron Paul, Gallup, you name it.
02:27:49.000Rasmussen, you know this Bruce, but he beats Obama with better numbers than Romney.
02:27:58.000Absolutely, because he appeals to independence, and I think that's what's very rewarding about the campaign, that he is changing the political orthodoxies of the culture more towards liberty and away from empire, and ever increasing the size and intrusiveness of government, and it appeals across the board.
02:28:18.000And the fact that you have Republicans who are at least one slice of the electorate galvanizing around other candidates, who I call them Tweedledum Tweedledees to Obama, suggests that that's not representative of the country as a whole.
02:28:34.000And Ron cares more about the future of the country than any particular party, if you will.
02:28:40.000And I think that's what makes him a great American, you know, because real high-level politics is trying to make Everybody, every American, a winner.
02:29:07.000We're going to go to Brighton Along segment and come back and get into your book and more on Ron Paul and what you see happening.
02:29:13.000But another big issue is he gets the majority, in some cases over 70% of the Republican candidates that are getting donations from the military, he gets the majority of those.
02:29:24.000But there's this hoax that, oh, Ron Paul doesn't like the military.
02:29:27.000He's one of the only people up there that isn't a chicken hawk and actually has served.
02:29:32.000And, I mean, my audience knows that, you know that, but I want to get your take on that briefly, Bruce, because I've never asked you that question, on the other side.
02:29:38.000And then I want to get into more of the attacks on the Bill of Rights and Constitution and where you see this empire going, what the collapse will look like, straight ahead with Bruce Fine.
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02:34:02.000Ron Paul didn't get a lot of traction four years ago, but he helped grow a big nationwide movement.
02:34:07.000He's probably gotten ten times the traction this time around.
02:34:10.000And the ideas, no matter where this campaign goes, will continue to move forward and grow exponentially.
02:34:18.000And so look at the whole Liberty Movement around the focal point, Ron Paul, as almost like the flashpoint, where it starts, one of the key matrix lines that will help shatter this status-centralized system.
02:34:33.000Now, Bruce, I wanted to talk about your book and how the empire is clearly flailing around trying to expand just so it doesn't collapse, I guess, fling forward, but when I see A federal court, you know, circuit court, what is it, the seventh ruling.
02:34:53.000Yeah, police can just pull you over or come in your house without a warrant and download the contents to your cell phone.
02:34:58.000And now police in Michigan and other states pull you over for speeding, take your phone, download it.
02:35:15.000TSA now popping up in Dallas, groping people at the train stations and on the highways.
02:35:23.000I mean, America has been so free for so long, and there's obviously been problems, but now I don't know if we're just ready to deal with something this overt.
02:36:04.000Well, the problem we have is the empire mentality at least instinctively covets what I call a risk-free existence.
02:36:12.000And so every conceivable encroachment on liberty is accepted if you think it might address a problem that might arise as frequently as a meteor or an asteroid hitting the United States, which is virtually never.
02:36:24.000And it's not just those incidents that you've described more overtly, but the United States government now claims right without a warrant to seize all of our internet or electronic signatures, all of our footprints there.
02:36:37.000You know, the Google, the Yahoo, every place they say that.
02:36:40.000If you expose any information about yourself to a third party, which is impossible to prevent when you're on the internet, the government can come grab it and build a dossier against you and now the FBI, for the first time in history, Alex, does what they style assessments.
02:36:56.000Uh, ordinarily, uh, they only begin to investigate someone if there's some articulable suspicion of complicity in crime.
02:37:03.000Now, assessments begin if an agent believes that maybe sometimes in the future you may turn and do something bad, even though there's no evidence that you have any, uh, you create any danger to, uh, society or to, uh, in, in... Pre-crime!
02:37:17.000Terrorists, yeah, and so they do assessments and you're supposed to love it because it clears you of the suspicion that you're a traitor, or you're a terrorist, you know, so that now we have the government acting on the assumption that we're all guilty until they prove us innocent, which turns the whole idea of our republic and our unalienable rights on its head.
02:37:37.000Liberty is the rule until the government shows that we've done something wrong.
02:37:41.000And that's just one example of where we are.
02:37:44.000And to show how absurd this has become, if we look at this last statute that you referred to, the National Defense Authorization Act, or NDAA, Here was a situation, Alex, where not a single person in the entire United States was clamoring to endow the President with more power to send the military to our doorsteps and take us off to Guantanamo Bay based upon secret facts and secret evidence that suggest that we're somehow aiding terrorism.
02:38:10.000Nobody was clamoring for it, and yet Congress, unilaterally, with the assistance of the President, creates power that King George III never possessed when we overthrew him in 1776.
02:38:22.000And again, it's this instinctive craving when you're a superpower to try to think you can make life risk-free.
02:38:28.000But you can't unless you're willing to destroy all of liberty.
02:38:31.000I mean, nobody can guarantee to 100% certainty that they're a saint and they'll never do anything bad.
02:38:37.000And if you're trying to create life that's risk-free, you'll lock up everybody and everything.
02:38:42.000And to somebody now who's involved in the safety endeavor, it's a little bit like to, as a To a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
02:38:49.000To somebody at the TSA or involved in the security, everybody looks like a traitor.
02:38:54.000You know, and that's not what a republic is about.
02:40:31.000And they say, well, have these really been the indispensable barriers to another terrorist attack?
02:40:36.000If they were, how come there haven't been any terrorist attacks on Amtrak where there's no searches whatsoever when you go on the train?
02:40:43.000And moreover, if you just, and this is where I think the politicians and President Obama is especially You know, subject to criticism.
02:40:51.000If they would just stop the darn thing for a month and then they'd see there are no terrorist acts, then you'd show that this is Chicken Little saying the sky is falling down.
02:40:59.000Well, then really wasn't all those checks, you know, that was deterring it, because there wasn't any threat there in the first instance.
02:41:08.000They're not going to try to blow up people, just like Americans generally don't commit homicide.
02:41:13.000It doesn't mean that there can't be an exception.
02:41:15.000But the price of liberty is to take some risk, and it's going to result in some tragedy.
02:41:20.000But the greater tragedy is to reduce all Americans to vassals and lords of some big brother government, and destroy the whole purpose of government?
02:41:27.000Well, I was about to say, I mean, as you know, common sense, history, but the founders, George Washington said, governments like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master.
02:41:39.000Democide governments, there's big, University reports on this.
02:41:44.000They debate the numbers, but it's between 262 million and 311 million people murdered.
02:41:46.00062 million and 311 million people murdered, non-military combatants.
02:41:52.000But we're talking 200 plus million conservatively.
02:41:55.000People killed in the 20th century by government.
02:41:58.000Well, that's common sense to somebody who knows the Americana system.
02:42:02.000But for those that love the status system, I mean, if you want to have prior constraint because somebody might do something, one group we got to watch, and that is always the number one suspect, as our founders said, is government.
02:42:18.000When you try to examine what is the greatest source of evil in the history of the world, government is greater than individuals by a factor of a million to one.
02:42:29.000You know, you can have people who commit a homicide, even attempt to engage in organized criminal activity, but with regard to the massive Unbelievable, you know, size of the massacres and the atrocities.
02:42:43.000Government is capable and does historically inflict vastly greater mayhem than any individual or group of individuals can ever do.
02:42:51.000And that explains the numbers that you've identified.
02:42:54.000And that explains why, in choosing between a danger from an individual and danger from government, it's the danger of government that's got to be captured first, rather than placed ahead.
02:43:05.000I mean, viewed as less suspect than an individual.
02:43:10.000I also want to address this idea, well, the laws don't work because, listen, we prosecuted terrorists before 9-11, we still ended up with that day of abominations, but the same thing can be said about laws against murder.
02:43:22.000I mean, we get 14-15,000 murders each year, we prosecute people for murder, we sentence some of them to death, but it doesn't end all murders, we still end up with the same number of, you know, That's the end of freedom.
02:43:33.000Recognize we don't revel in that that tragedy, but recognize that the only way that you can stop all murders is to send the police or the military into everybody's house and detain everybody on the idea that maybe the next 20 years they could have an evil thought.
02:43:49.000That's the end of why we are a country.
02:43:51.000Bruce, I want to raise the collapse of the empire and what the time frame is you see in a general sense because your new books on that subject, man.
02:44:00.000But from my historical research, and those that don't know history are doomed to repeat it, I've been reading history books since I'm about 10 years old, just because I found them entertaining.
02:44:09.000That's actually what got me into talk radio, politics, everything, because I found that the best reading was actually history, because truth is stranger than fiction.
02:44:21.000Why read a science fiction book or a Louis L'Amour western when I could read, you know, real stuff that happened and every page was jam-packed?
02:44:28.000And then, of course, I recognized the same patterns in modern times and didn't see people threatened by it.
02:44:54.000They collapse because of arrogance and contempt.
02:44:57.000and efforts to control and reach beyond uh... their capabilities and if you look at the united states now i i say maybe we've got the forty fifty years more could be shorter than that time before we simply collapse because we cannot support economically the empire and we cannot protect ourselves when everyday we're creating enemies
02:45:20.000By interfering with every other nation's political dispensation with the use of force.
02:45:29.000And it doesn't matter what individuals think are our altruistic motives.
02:45:34.000Yeah, we end up burning Qurans, we end up killing innocent citizens.
02:45:50.000And the idea that the other people don't get angry, you know, when we're killing them and we're destroying their country, I mean, we would react the same way.
02:45:58.000And we're so arrogant we somehow think that these people whose countries we're occupying will be grateful and they'll throw flowers at us and we get angry.
02:46:30.000Everyone sees it as a threat instinctively.
02:46:33.000Final point, and then I want to get to some calls here, Bruce, and I don't want to hog all the time with you today, and I want you to be able to get some questions, but I think the elite also forgets the point that it's not just about having weapons.
02:46:45.000Who has the moral superiority is who tends to win over time, and we're losing the moral superiority And it's not just in our politics, just in the culture, when the leaders start engaging in this activity, other people start imitating it, and then corruption runs rampant and the society collapses.
02:47:03.000So, I agree, no way we're going more than 30, 40 years, but with the acceleration of technology and all the things that are happening, Bruce, I don't see us lasting another 15 years.
02:47:13.000I mean, I see it coming down the line quicker.
02:47:17.000It may well be, and historically, empires have collapsed.
02:47:22.000It's not a long, drawn-out, installment plan kind of dissent.
02:47:26.000And you're absolutely right with regard to the weapons technology doesn't mean victory.
02:47:30.000If that were true, we would have won in Vietnam.
02:47:33.000In fact, Robert McNamara, the first Secretary of Defense under John F. Kennedy, visited Vietnam as his first travel abroad, and he returns and says, by every quantitative measure, Alex, we have won the war already, you know?
02:47:45.000And then we remember the skids and the helicopters out of Saigon.
02:48:46.000I'll be as brief and concise as possible.
02:48:49.000Now, the listener base of this show and other shows, Coast to Coast, Radio Liberty, if we're going to be able to have Ron Paul actually on these shows in an increasing amount, because it doesn't seem like radio, one of the last
02:49:10.000I don't want, well you do have Bruce here and he does them on policy and I know they've got smart people very capable in the campaign but I will say, the last big audiences, I mean coast to coast, Sixteen million listeners a night.
02:49:23.000Believe me, I've been on CNN, Fox, no response.
02:49:29.000It's all the alternative media, and I know that's late at night, but yeah.
02:49:33.000Bruce, what about trying to get Ron Paul on some of the bigger radio shows more?
02:49:36.000Because they do have bigger audiences.
02:49:37.000It's not glitzy like Rachel Maddow with a half million or Fox with two million, but I mean, these are bigger shows.
02:49:44.000Well, the difficulty that a candidate confronts, Alex, is what you might call the opportunity cost.
02:49:51.000Ron's got to choose between influencing the future by making sure he arrives at Tampa with the greatest delegate number, and that's face-to-face activity, campaigning out there and going on a radio or television show that isn't out there face-to-face encouraging.
02:50:08.000So what you're saying is he's shifted more to real politics, retail politics, on the ground?
02:50:14.000With regard to, in looking towards August, absolutely, because that's what's really going to give his voice a megaphone there, the greater number of delegates that he has.
02:50:24.000He's not starry-eyed and thinking that no matter what he preaches, if he shows up with a handful of delegates instead of, say, four or five or...
02:50:32.000John Paul knows a lot more about politics than I do, and I agree with you.
02:50:36.000I'm not going to second-guess him on that.
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02:54:41.000This is a question I want to ask just briefly.
02:54:44.000I know that I saw three different packages in the last six months of anti-Romney ads run.
02:54:48.000The last two weeks, they've got new ads running.
02:54:51.000But I keep seeing Politico and everybody saying, Ron Paul's secretly working with Romney, I guess to make him not look, you know, legitimate and look like a sellout.
02:54:59.000But then I do hear debates and discussions like, well, if they did ask him to be VP, would we want a seat at the table?
02:55:06.000But I don't see him giving Ron Paul a seat at the table because they know he won't compromise.
02:55:09.000You're at the highest levels of the campaign as an advisor.
02:55:12.000Can you let us in on the scuttlebutt, sir?
02:55:15.000Well, I think that's just the rumor that's the child of all political campaigns.
02:55:19.000Iran has staked out its positions that have not varied for decades.
02:55:24.000He's not going to compromise those because he understands it's ideas that are more important than the individual.
02:55:29.000And these claims are sort of back-channeled, you know, sort of a truce between Ron Paul's ideas and Mitt Romney's is just another one of those hoaxes.
02:55:40.000And you can't imagine More opposites when you read Mitt Romney's creed decor for invading Iran today in the Washington Post op-ed.
02:55:50.000Any more people who are opposite with regard to our foreign policy and where we ought to be spending our defense dollars, you know, to protect Americans in America rather than being the policeman of the So I think all your audience can be reassured and comforted that Ron Paul is not renouncing any of his fundamental parts, no matter what.
02:56:11.000And we talked to Lou Rockwell, I've talked to some folks behind the scenes in the Paul campaign, they laughed at it.
02:56:40.000That's alright, we don't have a lot of time though.
02:56:42.000Do you have a question for Bruce Fine?
02:56:44.000Yeah, what's the best advice you can give me?
02:56:47.000The best advice I have for you is to say, as you're a member of Congress, unlike the current contingent there, you're going to assert and take account of your responsibilities.
02:57:07.000You're not going to authorize the President to shower subsidies, money, tarps, everything else on private enterprise to help his friends and destroy his enemies.
02:57:16.000And you're going to insist that the Federal Reserve Board be accountable like any other institution?
02:57:21.000That Congress should have its oversight as any other institution?
02:57:31.000So you say, as you're a member of Congress, you're going to actually make decisions rather than the current invertebrate branch that now surrenders every darn thing to the President.
02:57:45.000Yes, Mr. Fine, I know you work closely with Ron Paul, and I understand he is a very soft-spoken individual, but I like to see him when he gets ready to come out on that panel, not only say that he's for liberty, but he just needs to pepper it up a little bit.
02:58:02.000And let him know he's against the NDAA and the shutting down of the Internet and the Federal Reserve and TSA.
02:58:09.000And I wanted to say that the last time that Gerald Filente was on there, I agree with everything he said about Ron Paul's need to step it up a little bit.
02:58:19.000Well, Ron Paul is working himself to death out there, and he is a gentleman.
02:58:23.000But when he gets attacked, he'll come back with fire.
02:58:24.000But Bruce, we're about to go to break, but 20 seconds on that.
02:58:27.000Yeah, what about getting Ron Paul, you know, to be a little more vicious?
02:59:55.000You're listening to the Alex Jones Broadcasting Network.
02:59:58.000All right, it is the final segment with our guest. it is the final segment with our guest.
03:00:18.000I want to jam in a few more calls, but Bruce Fine, Chief Policy Advisor of the Ron Paul campaign, constitutional lawyer, author, is our guest for just five more minutes.
03:01:40.000And I think you see, perhaps Romney is the most artificial candidate whatsoever.
03:01:45.000You know, and he attempts to paint himself as just an ordinary guy, you know, owning, being, mingling with the NASCAR owners and making just a little $370,000 a year and pointing out his wife, you know, drives Cadillacs and the trees are the right size.
03:02:00.000And I think that hurts Romney because everybody sees.
03:02:03.000He's really out this, not because he has any genuine interest in the exercise there.
03:02:07.000He's trying to maneuver and paint himself in a new image in order to win votes.
03:02:13.000It's bad that he tries to act like he's just a blue-collar guy.
03:02:18.000Yeah, which is such a joke, you know, and everybody can see right through it.
03:02:22.000And I think that's one of the reasons why he's gotten so little traction and why, in my view, he's not going to arrive in Tampa with a majority of the delegates.
03:02:29.000People will still be highly suspect of his authenticity.
03:02:33.000And that's devastating when it comes to politics.
03:02:35.000Oftentimes you can get a vote from somebody who may disagree with you, but be totally supportive of your courage and your candor.
03:02:42.000But he's not getting any of those people because he flips and he flops.
03:02:46.000I would like to know if Ron Paul does make it, right?
03:02:48.000wind blows mark in new hampshire quick question for bruce fine go ahead uh yes sir i would like to know um if ron paul does make it right and uh say our military breaks off and goes against israel is he going to support it our military would our military wouldn't go against israel what do you mean they would i According to the U.S.
03:03:12.000War College, Dr. Alan Sebroski, he said that they have proof that Israel did 9-11 and he says if they find out Our military said they would break off, he says, and they would wipe Israel right off the map.
03:03:28.000Yeah, you know what, I'll have to look that up, but if there was a War College report, even though there are thousands of different people that write reports for them, if that was actually there, I would have heard about this.
03:04:01.000And just like the United States has our understanding of what our security interests are, and we don't want any country trying to lecture us about that.
03:04:08.000And that's why we understand deterrence is what works.
03:04:11.000And we would incinerate Iran if they attacked us.
03:04:14.000We want the opposite of this global entanglement garbage that George Washington talked about.
03:04:19.000Why can't we be like Switzerland and neutral and then be wealthy?
03:04:22.000I mean, people that are neutral are smart.
03:04:25.000Yeah, exactly, because they know, in the other countries, they exploit our empire mentality by letting us pick up the bill and the cost of their defense.
03:04:35.000I mean, look at Japan, South Korea, wealthy as can be, and we've got tens of thousands of troops there defending them against their would-be enemies.
03:04:45.000And the fact is, Alex, we have the luxury, that we should not overlook, of being the most powerful country in the world, and there's nobody who's an existential threat.