Rand Paul's endorsement of Mitt Romney has caused a firestorm of controversy, and some Ron Paul supporters are calling for him to be removed from the race. Governor Gary Johnson joins us to talk about the Rand Paul endorsement, and why he thinks Ron Paul should endorse Mitt Romney.
00:00:47.000Thank you so much for joining us today.
00:00:50.000Almost didn't make it into the studio here for this segment because I was so busy going over news and big developments that are unfolding.
00:00:57.000We're going to be here, obviously, for the next three hours today, and we have several big guests joining us.
00:01:05.000Lou Rockwell, the former chief of staff of Ron Paul, will be joining us to talk about the ongoing firestorm of Rand Paul.
00:01:15.000Endorsing Mitt Romney happily, in his words, and the response by some of the Ron Paul establishment politicos.
00:01:25.000Tom Woods, who is good friends with Ron Paul, speaks at many of his rallies, put a video out yesterday saying there needs to be a top-down analysis of Campaign for Liberty and pointed out the head of Campaign for Liberty.
00:01:39.000I don't even know this, I went and looked it up, it was true, actually doesn't think we should be involved in foreign policy, constitutionalist, and we should just get Ron Paul and all of it out of the business of criticizing these wars.
00:01:52.000And he said there should be a top-down, we're going to play that video here in a moment, a top-down look at it and that the head of it should be removed.
00:02:03.000Now, we called him up this morning and he said, look, I think I've said enough.
00:02:08.000I trust Ron Paul is not going to endorse Mitt Romney.
00:02:12.000If he does, it's going to pretty much destroy him, folks.
00:02:15.000And everybody is sitting here in horror because there are some rumors fluttering around at high levels that it's being considered.
00:02:23.000And as Ron Paul supporters, as admirers and supporters, it's our right, it's Tom Wood's right to come out and say, hey, we're concerned.
00:02:32.000And people are going, yeah, I keep getting weird neocon mail from Campaign for Liberty and from Rand Paul and Ron Paul's groups promoting people, and you go look them up, and they're counsel on foreign relations, they're pro-war.
00:03:10.000Lou Rockwell's coming on, specifically calls for him, so I'll open the phones up with Lou Rockwell and Governor Gary Johnson, specifically for questions for both those men.
00:03:19.000We're not just going to be talking about Ron Paul all day, and Rand Paul.
00:03:22.000But this is a big deal, because the Liberty Movement is beginning to win, getting 70 plus percent of the military's donations.
00:03:30.000That shows that the idea of fighting the globalists, restoring the republic, cutting taxes, defending the family, second amendment, states' rights, nullification, getting us out of the UN, auditing and abolishing the Federal Reserve.
00:03:44.000We understand Ron Paul's in a dangerous position, pushing all that.
00:03:47.000So he went from, let's get rid of the Fed, to, well, let's audit it, and then maybe get rid of it.
00:03:52.000I understand all that, and I understand Ron Paul not coming out and saying 9-11's an inside job, even though he talks about false flags, staged terror, and says he questions the official story because government always lies.
00:04:04.000He also goes along with the, you know, narrative and says, okay, if we're not attacking them, they wouldn't attack us.
00:04:10.000So, I compromise a little bit over the years, knowing that Ron Paul couldn't be Alex Jones.
00:04:15.000Even though you read his writings from the 80s and early 90s, he was.
00:04:19.000I mean, this guy is iconic in his understanding of the New World Order.
00:04:29.000But if he's trying to cement some dynasty with all the power we've brought to the table as patriots, it's not going to happen.
00:04:36.000I had Chuck Baldwin on last night in the Nightly News, who Ron Paul endorsed when he couldn't win in the 08 election instead of McCain, and he was saying this is devastating what's happened.
00:04:47.000And he believes Ron Paul will not endorse Mitt Romney, but basically said it will be like a nuclear bomb going off in the Liberty Movement.
00:04:53.000If he does, Tom Woods has said the same thing.
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00:08:14.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:18.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:08:26.000I was thinking last night and this morning just how crazy it is that everything that we've talked about year after year that was coming under this global corporate fascist world government is now beginning to actually unfold.
00:08:41.000I mean, we have been so dead on, so accurate, because the globalists think the public isn't paying attention, and most of the population of the planet isn't.
00:08:50.000But we're reading their CFR, their Trilateral Commission, the Bilderberg leaks, their public statements, where they openly talk about How they're sterilizing us through the food and water, how they're establishing world government, how they're going to get rid of the family, how they're going to put nanotech into us that basically rewires our brains, viruses that they call new vaccines coming out that make you not be angry again and want to submit to them.
00:09:17.000That sounds like Martians from space in some 50s movie that come and spray stuff on the town and make everybody subservient zombies.
00:09:31.000Yesterday, we saw KXAN-TV report on a Army Department of Defense UT test outside Austin, out in the Hill Country, that blew up a laboratory and fired railgun shrapnel, high-speed projectile, into someone's car, basically blowing the car up and injuring them.
00:09:54.000And I sent reporters out yesterday to look into it.
00:09:58.000We've got to put the report together, but this is the kind of thing I'm worried about SWAT teams busting in here any minute.
00:10:03.000And by the way, the FBI has been here repeatedly, the Secret Service.
00:10:06.000I mean, they've tried to shut us down before.
00:10:09.000My wife said the phones have got to be tapped.
00:10:11.000They were flipping on and off this morning and clicking.
00:10:15.000You pick the phone up and somebody would be talking.
00:10:17.000And I've gotten calls before and they've said, we're listening to you, you know, you just said this.
00:10:21.000My wife has gotten calls repeatedly where they tell her what she was just talking about with her parents or with me on the phone to freak her out.
00:10:28.000But the phones were clicking and going wild.
00:10:30.000I'll just go ahead and tell you this, okay?
00:10:38.000They were out till 10 o'clock at night working on this.
00:10:40.000This led to a chain reaction of the discovery of a nuclear waste dump off Redbud Trail in the middle of Austin.
00:10:51.000They've still got the shutdown old reactor under the LBJ library.
00:10:57.000We tried to go look at that and got threatened with arrest.
00:11:02.000They've got a bioweapons farm out by Bastrop with a bunch of monkeys and apes in it, testing stuff that'll literally wipe off 90% of the world population, or 6 billion people plus, in a matter of months if it was released, and I've got sources on that.
00:11:18.000Just where I live is like a fantasy land of super science weapons from a science fiction movie.
00:11:25.000I mean, I'm wondering where Thundar the Barbarian is going to come running by any minute.
00:11:29.000And then I'm about to get in for the most of the show about Ron Paul and Rand Paul, who are great guys.
00:11:35.000People have been hurt by watching the direction of Rand Paul and Campaign for Liberty change.
00:11:42.000But, at the end of the day, it doesn't even matter.
00:11:44.000I mean, we'll be lucky if the globalists don't release some super weapon in the next five years and kill almost all of us, as they've talked about doing.
00:11:51.000They discuss how they're going to set up a world government, get a control grid in, release giant bioweapon plagues to reduce our numbers.
00:11:59.000And, you know, we've got the quotes in films like Endgame, WhatIsTheEndgame.com as the online bibliography.
00:12:05.000I read you constant, you know, government documents and reports here on air.
00:12:08.000I mean, it's just, we're living in a science fiction land and the general public is just totally obsessed with lotteries and sports.
00:12:34.000But there's something bigger than that.
00:12:37.000Our ancestors always were in a struggle against the tyrants and control freaks and megalomaniacs to carve out all the good things we've got today.
00:12:47.000And life is so short, I'm not worried about my physical death.
00:12:54.000I'm not worried about my physical death.
00:12:58.000I am worried about the death of our species and letting a bunch of crazy people that want to vandalize our genetic code and are doing it through the chemical and biological attacks and radiological attacks they've got us under that they brag about.
00:13:10.000I don't want to just give the future over to these people.
00:13:20.000I took him to work with me because it's summertime.
00:13:24.000My wife's taking my daughters with friends to a water park, but he wanted to come here with us.
00:13:28.000And I promised him I'd take him, I'd take off work early today and let Aaron, I think Darren McBrain's doing the nightly news tonight, and I'd take him out and do some stuff today.
00:13:37.000But, you know, once I go ahead and release the information, my gut tells me I need to about the nuclear waste dump hidden in the middle of Austin.
00:13:46.000uh... and uh... the uh... nuclear reactors all the rest of it and remember they just declassified a few years ago that in southern california they had that sodium uh... salt reactor meltdown bigger than chernobyl in what fifty nine and that was kept secret until just a few years ago that guys that's nbc news will you guys print me just california reactor caps the meltdown kept secret and and and and that should bring it up i've shown on air before and played part of the newscast but
00:14:14.000I mean the point is is that you discover this and then you know UT runs the San Andeia labs out in New Mexico and it's it's just we start going out I'm like let's go do a piece on The nuclear reactor under UT that's still running its half-life, and then the two big ones, well the little one and the big one they've got up at the J.J.
00:14:33.000Pickles Center, that no one seems to know about or care about, with all the barbed wire machine gun nest over there, where they do tests.
00:14:42.000The most dangerous type of reactors are doing constant tests and manipulations of them.
00:14:47.000And then you find out that 9 out of 10, and Aaron's got these numbers, the government admits reactors are leaking in the United States, 9 out of 10, it's the same number worldwide, and all of that's happening, and then We start doing research and discover someone right here on our own crew's grandfather was the head superintendent of all the buildings and maintenance for the University of Texas and knows all about it.
00:15:17.000I can confirm what he's saying is my dad was in the physics department and worked on the reactor.
00:15:21.000And then I'd already been told about how, you know, your AM radio won't work out on Redbud Trail.
00:15:45.000We sent the guys out to the limestone caves right in the middle of the wealthiest area of Austin where, according to our source's grandfather and other documents and information we ferreted out, that they used it as a dump.
00:16:04.000We start looking into some type of particle accelerator railgun explosion, Department of Defense.
00:16:11.000UT's running bio-weapons labs right outside Austin in Level 2 facilities that are Level 4.
00:16:16.000You've seen the Level 2 facility with Level 4 at the UT University of Texas facility down in Galveston that got hit by the hurricane and destroyed.
00:16:27.000I mean, it's just, again, we're living in crazy land.
00:16:31.000And the rail gun fires and blows up a part of a building and shoots a car driving down a country road, and they're like, never mind, there's some type of leak there, that's in the news, but the Army and UT are working on it.
00:17:30.000They've got a bunch of mainline Republican analysts.
00:17:38.000Working for him now, and I think they're making big mistakes, but I don't want to hear the denial that Ron Paul's not involved in this.
00:17:44.000And it's our job as his diehard supporters and contributors to not let them compromise, instead of saying, gee, is it okay to criticize anything they're doing?
00:18:00.000Over 80% in a poll we've got at InfoWars.com was 80% last night.
00:19:00.000But that's not what I'm seeing happening.
00:19:02.000I'm getting mail endorsing mainline neocon Republicans from Campaign for Liberty, and so is everybody else.
00:19:11.000Ron Paul wasn't even sure if he was going to speak at this big festival, you know, the counter National Convention, because it might make the Republicans mad, but now the Republicans say they're okay with it because of what Rand's done.
00:19:24.000I mean, you know, I've not found compromise is the way to go.
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00:24:17.000Nightly News, we're going to show you footage of the sealed caves over off Redwood Trail at the old dam, where in the 60s and 70s and right into the 80s, the University of Texas dumped radiological waste from the the University of Texas dumped radiological waste from the nuclear reactor.
00:25:02.000Yeah, the Presidential Library Museum.
00:25:04.000First one in the country, by the way, was for LBJ.
00:25:06.000They built it on top of a nuclear reactor and took the there's also underground tunnels under there.
00:25:11.000I've confirmed that separately that are connected out.
00:25:14.000To Bergstrom, where they was the former sack base, the Hilton Hotel out there, Circular Hotel is the former shack command base for much of the United States.
00:25:25.000There's a whole bunch of secret stuff around here.
00:25:27.000I live here, and you need to understand folks, this is happening all over the world, not just here in the US.
00:25:35.000There are giant black projects, secret programs happening.
00:25:40.000Some of the other news coming up, and then I'll get to the Tom Woods video ahead of our guest joining us.
00:25:47.000I remember Kurt Nemo writing this article yesterday from European, Russian, and Middle Eastern sources.
00:25:54.000Russia denies sending helicopters to Syria, says West's arming rebels.
00:25:57.000But there are news articles out today, out of the Financial Times and others, saying that Russia defends arms sales to Syria.
00:26:05.000But it turned out they just make that up.
00:26:12.000Uh, reporting today, and again, Kurtz for InfoWars yesterday said it wasn't true.
00:26:17.000People got mad at him in the comments and said he was a Ruski agent or something.
00:26:21.000Last time I checked, folks, it isn't the Ruskis that are, uh, got drones in the sky and putting sodium fluoride and radioactive isotopes in my water.
00:26:28.000Last time I checked it, it wasn't the Ruskis that run the Federal Reserve.
00:26:31.000If the Ruskis do anything to America, they can go straight to a place where the sun don't shine, okay?
00:26:37.000I'm sick of the globalists going, oh, Al-Qaeda's gonna get you, you don't give your rights up, be paid for, oh, the Russians will get you, the Chinese will get you.
00:26:44.000You mean the same Chinese government, our criminal government, paid 20-plus million dollars to ship General Motors to?
00:27:13.000Oh, turns out they got sold a long time ago.
00:27:16.000Hillary on Tuesday accused of shipping attack helicopters in Syria that would escalate the conflict.
00:27:23.000But they go on to say she put a little bit of a spin on it, said one senior Defense Department official, because they've been delivered a long time ago.
00:33:06.000You're listening to The Alex Jones Show.
00:33:09.000Okay, this Austin nuclear reactor story is so important, and it fits in with UT having big labs out in the University of Texas in New Mexico.
00:34:32.000Now, of course, we now learned a year ago, radioactive tuna, just three months after Chernobyl was being caught, and the government knew and covered it up off L.A.
00:34:50.000Dozens and dozens, it was like 25, 30 something depending on the lab, in the milk of cows because they're bioaccumulating.
00:34:58.000They're eating grass where this stuff's coming down.
00:35:00.000See, the trade winds, the jet stream, all of it comes from over Japan and dumps in at different areas over the United States.
00:35:07.000And you've got the currents going up to Alaska, the hair is falling out of the seals and the people that live there, the fishermen and the flight attendants that are flying through it.
00:35:21.000And then, we go out to look at the reactor, and one of our crew members, who hasn't been on air yet, he's gonna be with us after the break here in a moment, he's like, oh yeah, my grandfather was the head guy for UT over all the buildings and their maintenance, and we looked that up, sure enough, there he is, and he said they would take rods, chemicals, the fluid out of the reactor, the old one that's under the LBJ library.
00:35:49.000And everything he was saying, I'd gotten pieces of from other sources.
00:35:54.000Aaron tried to do a documentary when he was at UT in film school.
00:35:57.000He also got a degree from their school of public affairs there.
00:36:02.000Aaron Dykes, and they tried to just ask questions and got threatened with arrest about it.
00:36:07.000Wanted to try to get down in there with their cameras, the security guards admitted there was a bunch of stuff.
00:36:11.000Just like they store the nuclear waste on site, reportedly it's still under UT.
00:36:15.000Well, now we're learning from the 60s and 70s, and he'd never been there.
00:36:23.000His grandpa told him where it was, how they sealed the limestone caves, and he went over there, they went over there yesterday, and sure enough, it's there.
00:36:31.000Let me just tell you this, AM radio ain't coming in over the site.
00:36:34.000We've got to get some good radiation detectors and get over there before they try to kick everybody out of the area.
00:36:40.000And again, if you got radiation, AM radio gets cut out.
00:36:44.000We're going to find out what's going on.
00:36:48.000And again, this is about 98% confirmed.
00:36:50.000We know about the two research reactors they've got that are more modern at the J.J.
00:36:55.000Pickles Center up in North Austin off research and that area, giant area with big fences around it.
00:37:04.000I mean there's hundreds and there's like 500, 600 yards just between the fences and the facility and the reactors and they're very quiet about that.
00:37:12.000The average Austinite doesn't even know they're there.
00:37:16.000He's going to join us, I'm going to recap this, and I'm getting out just to preliminary him on record before we get the video out tonight, because the guys were out until like 9, 10 o'clock last night.
00:37:26.000They just got in, and I've gone ahead and talked about it because I know they're listening to our phones.
00:37:32.000A lot of stuff going on today, and so I'm just going to get this on record in case they SWAT team us and say we've got heroin and cocaine in here.
00:37:41.000Because believe me, ladies, or dead children or something, or prostitutes, I mean, or Easter bunnies, because believe me, if this is correct, and this is the report, and we know there's reactors, we know that they always did this in the old days, just dumped it on the edge of town.
00:37:55.000Where they dumped it's the middle of Austin now, but in the 70s was on the edge of town.
00:37:59.000This is exactly how they do it at old dams and old facilities and old research caves, you know, where they stored things.
00:38:06.000And that's, this needs to be looked into right now.
00:38:10.000So it fits in with what I've been told.
00:38:14.000Aaron Dykes again tried to make a film there.
00:40:00.000It's just that I realize I've got all these hours talking about where the country's going, the election, Lou Rockwell coming up, Governor Gary Johnson, Libertarian presidential candidate, and then I realize that none of that even really matters in the final equation.
00:40:16.000Because no one's talking about all the Level 4 bioweapons labs.
00:40:19.000No one's talking about all over the country, right through to today, in Indiana, and Michigan, and Illinois, and Texas, and California.
00:40:45.000We've raised the levels to say it's safe.
00:40:47.000See, these reports fit into everything we've seen in other areas of the country, where they just go and store it in a cave or in an underground warehouse right outside town.
00:40:59.000And the fact that his grandfather, when we went out and looked yesterday, and I know how these limestone caves work, it's like at my house.
00:41:04.000I live by a dry creek bed, but when it rains for a week straight, all of a sudden water starts gushing out of the rocks, and there's a big, luscious, five-foot-deep creek behind my house.
00:41:13.000I only like that a few months out of the year.
00:41:16.000I live out in the country, and it's a creek feeding into a bigger creek.
00:41:20.000But even the big creek is only running about half the time.
00:41:49.000Tom Woods is a researcher, an author, A friend, confidant of Ron Paul, speaks at most his big events, and he's a man of conscience like Ron Paul, who is a constitutionalist, who loves liberty, who understands the new world order, who understands dependency.
00:42:06.000I agree with his constitutional ideas that transcend even libertarianism and the globalists trying to co-opt that.
00:42:12.000And Woods, eloquently in three and a half minutes, said some really powerful things.
00:42:18.000And then they noticed that the video was taken down, but people already copied it.
00:42:23.000And I saw a comment on the Daily Poll by Woods saying, well, I don't want to, you know, rub salt in the wound.
00:42:30.000I want to trust in Paul that he's not going to endorse, even though we're hearing rumors of that, and that I'm getting more information.
00:42:38.000Well, then we talked to him this morning.
00:42:43.000And I think my video may do more harm than good.
00:42:47.000Tom, your video will do nothing but good when you point out the head of Campaign for Liberty thinks that we shouldn't be against these wars and shouldn't be involved in foreign policy.
00:43:00.000That's the heart of what you're saying.
00:43:01.000There should be a top-down review of all these big, famous neocon Uh, operatives, who say on the Canberra Liberty site, I'm a seasoned operative.
00:43:57.000Folks that built this coalition, the people that gave the money and gave the shoe leather on the street to get the word out and calling in to talk radio and doing countless shows and rallies.
00:44:38.000Don't defend Mitt Romney, and when people bring up the fact that he's diametrically opposed to your father, and twist it, like I heard you do on CNN, that, oh no, no, he's against the wars, oh no, he wants to do something to the Fed, oh no, he, no he doesn't.
00:44:51.000And Rand, when Mitt Romney gets in, that's what it looks like now.
00:44:55.000That he's not a ringer, the establishment wants him.
00:44:57.000That's the momentum, unless Obama stages a new war, or blows something up.
00:45:01.000What are you gonna do when he's for predator drones in America, and checkpoints, and police state, and new wars?
00:45:06.000You're gonna have your wagon hitch like Chuck Baldwin, who got your father's endorsement for president when...
00:45:13.000When your father got cheated out of the nomination four years ago.
00:46:25.000Congressman Paul, this message is for you, but I thought the sentiments in it were important enough that they should be heard by anybody who cares to listen.
00:46:33.000One of my favorite parts of Brian Dorey's new book, Ron Paul's Revolution, takes place on page 3.
00:46:39.000Where Dorey's been talking about the Giuliani moment of 2007, where you spoke some forbidden truths about the U.S. Constitution.
00:46:48.000Truths the whole world knows, but which are not allowed to be expressed in the United States, and Giuliani attacked you.
00:46:54.000The whole world expected you to back down.
00:46:57.000But, as a matter of fact, you actually amplified your points.
00:47:00.000And on page 3 of this book, Dougherty quotes just a regular American who said, I was watching that debate, and I was fully expecting Ron Paul, without a friend in the world, to back down.
00:47:13.000And I felt like at that moment, this guy says, the world changed forever.
00:47:19.000Because in our society, whenever anybody strays from the 3x5 card of approved opinion, well, it's always followed by apologies and retractions and clarifications.
00:47:30.000There's a liturgical ritual of expiation that one undergoes, and you refuse to do that.
00:47:55.000You've been that man who refuses to go along, who will not be absorbed into the establishment, who's going to tell us those forbidden truths.
00:48:03.000And that's why you've given people such genuine hope.
00:48:06.000People feel like, here's that one honest man who can't be bought and his arm can't be twisted.
00:48:13.000And let's contrast that with Mitt Romney.
00:48:16.000Mitt Romney, for one thing, thinks that budget cuts cause depressions.
00:48:21.000Or even worse, I'll just give you five words about Mitt Romney, Secretary of State John Bolton.
00:48:29.000Now, I understand that you're under tremendous pressure to endorse Mitt Romney.
00:48:33.000And the people who are urging you to do this, and I am certain I know who they are and I've warned you about them, do not have your best interests at heart.
00:48:42.000The millions of kids you've inspired would be totally devastated.
00:48:48.000And people would literally, literally be in tears over this.
00:48:54.000Now, 99 times out of 100, I would assume there's no way Ron Paul is going to endorse Mitt Romney, who disagrees with him on every major thing.
00:49:01.000But I can understand the appeal someone might make to a father, saying, you love your son, you want to help your son, don't you?
00:49:09.000And people, I'm sure, are telling you that you would help your son by endorsing Romney.
00:49:14.000But Rand is going to sink or swim on his own merits.
00:49:17.000That has nothing to do with whether or not you endorse Mitt Romney.
00:49:21.000And incidentally, may I say parenthetically, that all this needs to be accompanied by a top-to-bottom reform of the organization Campaign for Liberty.
00:49:30.000For example, the gentleman running it right now believes the organization should steer entirely clear of foreign policy.
00:49:37.000Now, like it or not, the head of Campaign for Liberty is implicitly the custodian of the Ron Paul legacy.
00:49:43.000And this is NOT an appropriate person to be in charge of an office like that.
00:49:49.000Finally, Dr. Paul, I truly believe you are a great man.
00:49:54.000And one of the great privileges of my life has been to be involved in this movement that you've led, to have spoken at so many of your events, including the Rally for the Republic, to have worked with you on projects, and to have had my own work endorsed by you.
00:50:08.000Dr. Paul, you changed the world in 2007.
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00:54:21.000The University of Texas has been involved with Los Alamos and other national laboratories.
00:54:29.000Sanadia National Laboratory is out in New Mexico.
00:54:33.000As well, there is a reactor that down under the LBJ Presidential Library, they built on it.
00:54:40.000I know because my father was in there as a UT student, as a physics student.
00:54:44.000And you can dig around and find, you know, mentions at UT that it did exist, that it's there.
00:54:48.000It has a half-life, so it's still basically going down there.
00:54:52.000And a lot of waste got stored under there.
00:54:54.000That's what they do at most of these facilities.
00:54:57.000But then we went out doing a report on this in more detail, and Chris Oden, His great-grandfather was Benjamin Ellis, and he was the superintendent of facilities for 20 years of all the big UT headquarters campuses here in Austin, Texas.
00:55:18.000And he had always told him over off Red Bud Trail by the dam that there was an area where there was rods encased in concrete, fluids, barrels, and that they put it in there and walled off these caves.
00:55:33.000In your own words, tell us about this.
00:55:36.000Chris Odenkamp, Mr. Workforce, we're all doing a report on this.
00:55:38.000He's like, well, hey, my great-grandfather actually has even more on this.
00:55:42.000And this is standard for these facilities built in the 60s and 70s, is they would just go stick it somewhere on state property or on city property.
00:55:51.000And so if this is indeed true, and I'm sure his grandfather's being accurate, we need to look into this.
00:56:01.000Well basically to my knowledge, what my grandfather disclosed to me is that for a number of years they had attempted to get rid of waste in East Austin and that area was growing very fast and they'd found ...area in the large caves in South Austin, where waste was disposed of.
00:56:22.000It wasn't necessarily my grandfather's idea, but his job was to oversee transportation over... Sure, sure.
00:56:28.000I mean, we're not throwing him under the bus.
00:57:12.000Some of the biggest populations of Mexican brown bats.
00:57:15.000Right, and parts of the caves are below the water table, parts of the caves are above the water table.
00:57:20.000To my knowledge, that's where a lot of the waste was stored, is above the water table.
00:57:24.000The area in particular off of Redbud Trail, close to Tom Miller Dam, Was an entrance just like that, that was above the water table, above where the lake level was, that could be explored for miles.
00:57:39.000Now you told me yesterday that your great-grandfather was concerned, or talked about the fact that water sometimes did come in there.
00:58:13.000We need to have construction workers, other people, call us, confirm so we can have more witnesses to this.
00:58:19.000For a long time, the city did say that the mini-cave entrances were covered up because of citizens throwing garbage in them, and they showed pictures of Piles of trash.
00:58:33.000But your grandfather said... Well, stay there.
00:58:35.000We're gonna come back in one minute and Lou Rockwell's coming up.
00:58:37.000Specifically, what your great-grandfather said.
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01:00:37.000Right now we're going back to Chris Oden, and since we've been looking into this the last day or so, we have dug up the University of Texas Admissions, Collier, Bill Collier, UT Reactor Draws Safety Questions, Austin American Statesman, 1989.
01:00:54.000So this has been in the news, and we found links to blurbs dealing with concerns about where the waste was going.
01:01:01.000And so that's a whole other ball of wax.
01:01:02.000You're saying your great-grandfather, who was the head of superintendent for facilities, said that, oh, people didn't like it in East Austin, so I guess stuff must have been dumped there somewhere.
01:01:12.000And so then it moved to what was South Austin, but pretty much is the middle of Austin now.
01:01:20.000Now it borders a fairly high-end community called Westlake.
01:01:24.000Um, his exact words were, um, if you ever wonder why the radio doesn't work well, um, near that part of Austin, it's because there is radioactivity there.
01:01:35.000Um, I personally have witnessed AM radio, uh, not functioning as well as it does in, um, other, other portions of South Austin, so... Well, sure, if you doubt that, I mean, if you doubt electricity puts off stuff, when you drive under big power lines, your AM cuts out.
01:01:52.000Right, and there aren't any power lines in the area except for further west there is of course power generators at the dam.
01:02:00.000Let's be specific though for people, we're going to put a map on the nightly news tonight and you guys went and got video yesterday.
01:03:27.000Um, I was even shocked to see a fairly large, uh, complex or university research complex on the north side of the river, um, right in the same vicinity that did have signs posted restricted access.
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01:08:12.000We have a lot of massive news coming up today.
01:08:29.000You know, a drone crashed a few days ago in Maryland.
01:08:33.000Now they're reporting that all over the country, but also the big report is again out of Fox News on the East Coast, people think it's UFOs now as Pentagon drones fly over the highways.
01:09:20.000There's almost no news coverage of this and a big story we're working on of where they've been dumping the waste.
01:09:26.000We're also going to be getting into the bizarre White House reaction to John Bryson's three hit and runs.
01:09:33.000Well, two hit and runs on one group and then another hit and run.
01:09:37.000A lot of bizarre behavior on that front.
01:09:40.000We're going to look at the ongoing meltdown in Europe and the incredible announcements that they're going to restrict ATM withdrawals and impose border checks.
01:09:48.000So people can come into the Euro, but when you try to leave, they're going to impose capital controls.
01:09:54.000TSA is already doing this, trying to take people's silver and gold, asking about wedding rings.
01:10:07.000Now in a moment we're going to a man who needs no introduction, Lew Rockwell of LewRockwell.com, head of the Austrian School of Economics group, the Von Mies Institute.
01:10:18.000Just an amazing intellectual mind when it comes to research, former Chief of Staff of Ron Paul, a great patriot.
01:10:23.000I want to get him on to look at everything happening in the world, the big news issues, the wars, the Euro, the banker bailouts, and obviously out of the gates, get his take on Rand Paul's endorsement of Mitt Romney and why that's created such a firestorm and get his view on it.
01:10:39.000But before we do that, I wanted to play just about a minute clip of Ron Paul.
01:10:45.000And I think Ron Paul, when thinking if he should endorse Romney or not, and Tom Woods has talked about how dangerous that would be.
01:10:52.000I had the guy that Ron Paul endorsed four years ago, the head of the Constitution Party at the time, that candidate.
01:11:00.000I had him on last night, Chuck Baldwin, to discuss it and he said, really bad move.
01:11:04.000Again, Rand can do what he wants, still a great guy.
01:11:07.000He's fighting drones and the police state and all this other stuff.
01:11:10.000But if Ron Paul does that, wow, it would be like a nuclear bomb going off in the words of Chuck Baldwin.
01:11:16.000So I want to get the inside intel if he's been talking to Ron on what's happening, where all this is going in a moment.
01:11:24.000Here is a short clip of Ron Paul when he was conceding that he was going to drop out in 2008.
01:11:33.000When he talked about endorsing the Constitution Party, here he is explaining why when the McCain people called him, he didn't take, you know, even their respectful call, he didn't take their pleas to endorse McCain as a lesser of two evils, and he explains why.
01:11:53.000The headline of the video is Ron Paul of 2012 should listen to Ron Paul of 2008.
01:11:59.000of twenty twelve should listen to ron paul of two thousand eight here is a clip of that c_n_n_ press conference the majority of american people even in the recent polling shows that sixty percent of the american people are unhappy uh... with their choices
01:12:18.000If you take the total number of Americans and the percentage that register, then the percentage that vote, and then the percentage that vote for a candidate, we end up electing a president with 30-32% of the American people.
01:12:33.000And because they have been more or less conditioned to believe, well, the two candidates are different and we have to vote for the lesser of two evils, they end up voting, half the people who vote for the president are voting for the lesser of two evils!
01:12:47.000And so therefore, 16% of the American people essentially are saying, hey, I like this candidate, and they vote for the president.
01:12:56.000You know, yesterday, I had a phone call, the first phone call that I personally received or had received from anybody in the McCain candidacy, in his campaign.
01:13:10.000They called and it was a bit of a surprise to me because their request was that I endorse John McCain today.
01:13:19.000And, uh, I said, well, I don't like the idea of getting about 2 or 3 million people angry at me.
01:13:27.000So, uh, but they were serious, and it was a respectful call, and the argument was he would do a little less harm than the other candidate.
01:13:40.000And, you know, we just don't need to do that anymore.
01:13:45.000You know, in 19... I believe it was 1988... Okay, that's enough.
01:13:51.000He goes on for seven more minutes explaining why in a down-to-earth, common-sense fashion.
01:13:57.000So, this is why there was horror at RAND.
01:14:01.000But then some of the campaign-type operatives, people that admit they don't want Campaign for Liberty being involved in foreign affairs or being against foreign intervention, well, that's the heart Of what makes Ron Paul so good is that when everybody's laughing at him and they have an audience set to attack him and they say, aren't you for the wars?
01:14:31.000I understand that Rand is not Ron, but the machinery of Campaign for Liberty is behind Rand and going with the Rand brand.
01:14:40.000So we are saying, as the people that brought them to the party, because Ron Paul is such an amazing person, and people like Lou Rockwell as well, they're helping him for decades, 30, 40 years, that we're allowed to say, hey, we don't like the direction things are starting to go in.
01:14:54.000I saw an editorial put up by one of their folks saying, you know, that we're dumb and that we need to learn two things to grow up.
01:15:02.000Okay, now joining us is somebody who grew up a long time ago, and that's Lou Rockwell of lourockwell.com.
01:15:07.000Thank you for sitting while I went over that video.
01:15:10.000Lou, what is your take on all of this and the firestorm that has been created?
01:15:15.000I think overall it's good because it lets some of the forces, kind of the mainline Republicans, trying to take over Campaign for Liberty know that we the people aren't going to let that happen.
01:15:50.000They're all, you know, in favor of all the wars and the police state and all the horrible things that we're seeing come to pass before our eyes right now.
01:16:01.000Whether, as you say, the blimps over Washington and the people think are aliens.
01:16:05.000Of course, it's actually the government that's the alien.
01:16:08.000We have no worries about Ron Paul sticking to his principles.
01:16:13.000I mean, I don't understand how anybody could think otherwise about Ron Paul.
01:16:37.000And for those people who want to be involved in politics, I make an exception for Ron, but otherwise I think politics is a snare and a delusion and corrupt and corrupting and horrible.
01:16:46.000It's part of the government after all, so therefore you know it's evil.
01:16:50.000But Ron Paul's never been part of that.
01:16:52.000He never has played the played those games, I'll vote for your pork barrel project, you vote for my pork barrel project, all the stuff that goes on in regular politics, he has never taken part in it.
01:17:39.000I know you're a classy guy and don't want to throw stones, but I really want to see Rand rethink this idea that we're going to change the mainline Republicans by compromising with them.
01:17:51.000I mean, I understand what he's saying intellectually, politically, but Also, I understand that that way leads to ruin.
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01:24:28.000knows you better than Lou Rockwell, his former chief of staff.
01:24:31.000That is great news, Lou, that you're saying that Ron Paul will not be endorsing Mitt Romney.
01:24:38.000And also, little birds are telling me that there are moves to clean up Campaign for Liberty that has got some people up at the top of it that would like to move things more towards the mainline Republican front.
01:24:52.000Well, Ron, as you know, it's tough to say what issue has been the most important to him.
01:24:57.000Obviously, the Fed has been very important.
01:24:59.000Austrian economics has been very important.
01:25:02.000But the issue that's closest to his heart is the issue of war and peace.
01:25:05.000There have been millions of people murdered in just these recent wars.
01:25:10.000Who knows how many have been murdered throughout history.
01:26:56.000I'd like to live in, you know, in a city-state myself.
01:26:59.000So the smaller the governments, Hans Hoppe makes this point about Germany before the Treaty of Westphalia, when there were like 700 little political entities that comprised Germany.
01:27:11.000They all had the same language and much of the same culture and so forth, same sort of national identity, but they were politically separate.
01:27:44.000That's what the EU is all about, about creating the horrifying notion of a United States of Europe, where everybody's conglomerated, and then they of course want to combine the America and the EU and Japan.
01:27:57.000This is, of course, David Rockefeller's Uh, original dream into the nucleus of a world government and then bring everybody else under the power of this world government?
01:28:11.000It's, they want worldwide Keynesianism, which unfortunately they've pretty much gotten as well.
01:28:15.000We have a worldwide depression or recession right now.
01:28:17.000Uh, so yeah, the fight for states' rights, which Ron Paul is just great on, uh, and decentralism is, uh, is the fight for, is the fight for liberty.
01:28:28.000We're going to break in a few minutes here, but I think it's good we're having this debate with Rand and Ron and all this, because it really is about the people in the final equation.
01:28:39.000And if we're not there telling Ron Paul and Rand what we believe in, especially with Rand, it's going to let other influences come in.
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01:35:57.000Let's play a minute or so of Ron Paul talking about tragedy and hope and what Carol Quigley said about the lesser of two evils and how the system tries to control the left and the right.
01:36:07.000And then we'll get the take on that from iconic libertarian and I guess anarchic capitalist, you could call him.
01:36:29.000You know, um, quite a few years ago, uh, when, I think it was when, uh, Bill Clinton was inaugurated, was in one of his speeches, he, he recognized one, uh, single individual as being very important to him philosophically.
01:36:46.000And that was a bit of a surprise because I knew about the individual.
01:36:52.000And some of you may know about him, but it's worth looking into.
01:36:59.000Now, the important part of Tragedy and Hope and Carol Quigley is that he claims that he was on the inside and part of the group That, you know, did the planning.
01:37:13.000But why did he write Tragedy and Hope to expose these people behind the scenes?
01:37:18.000Because he believed they were far enough advanced, it didn't have to be secret, they could be out in the open, and this is the way it works.
01:37:27.000It's a tragedy if you don't accept this, and there's hope if you know who runs the show.
01:37:32.000That's my interpretation, but I believe it's correct.
01:37:39.000and uh... thinking about where he's coming from he says the argument that the two parties should represent opposed ideals and policies uh... one perhaps the right of the right and the other of the left is a foolish idea acceptable only to the doctrinaire and academic thinkers instead the two parties should be almost identical so that the american people can throw the rascals out at any election without leading to any profound or extensive shift in policy
01:38:07.000I mean, I think that is a profound statement because it tells us what's going on and why things don't change.
01:39:32.000One of the many reasons they love democracy.
01:39:34.000It's been a great thing for the growth of the state.
01:39:39.000Everybody thinks Hans Hoppe's great book on democracy, The God That Failed, is the key guide to why democracy, as it's developed, is just an instrument for the state to use against the rest of us.
01:39:52.000And Quigley, of course, is very important to read.
01:39:54.000I'm so glad you're bringing Gary Allen's book back into print.
01:40:15.000It was true when he first got into public life in reaction to Richard Nixon's closing of the gold window and imposing price and wage controls on the economy in 1971.
01:40:25.000He's the same guy, and he's a sure guide to all this sort of thing.
01:40:41.000But again, don't expect anybody else to be Ron Paul.
01:40:47.000There's only been one Ron Paul, and I would say that even though I support Ron Paul in everything he does in terms of his political races, Politics is a snare and a delusion.
01:41:18.000I mean, I've interviewed Ron more than 150 times or so.
01:41:26.000It might even be 200 if you count out on the road my crew asking him questions.
01:41:31.000And my reporters, probably more than 200.
01:41:34.000You can ask him something that just broke that day that's pretty obscure and he knows about it.
01:41:40.000I don't think I've ever brought anything up to him That he didn't already know about, and then he'll know about stuff I don't know about.
01:41:46.000I mean, he's just such a voracious researcher.
01:41:50.000It's like even in that piece where Sacha Baron Cohen tries to corner him in there in the room, Ron Paul's sitting there reading the newspaper.
01:41:58.000I mean, I guess that's all he's doing is researching.
01:42:55.000And, um, so there's just, just one Ron.
01:42:59.000Lou, I want to shift gears into a bunch of subjects and also ask you what's number one on your plate, your radar right now, but you know, I get this from people who are on the left.
01:43:08.000They understand the corruption of government, but they always think they can fix it.
01:43:12.000They talk about the American system, but you go real, you go research it.
01:43:16.000You know, a lot of that government involvement is actually what ends up causing the civil war.
01:43:20.000If you actually go back Look at some of the people that were involved in it.
01:43:32.000He wants you to be on drugs because of drug decriminalization.
01:43:36.000But every drug dealer I've seen interviewed says, don't ever legalize them because that would drive down the price probably 500 to 1000 percent.
01:43:45.000information to understand and republicans attack him and say he wants you to be on drugs democrats attacking but you see the american people i mean even pat robertson says decriminalize marijuana now i mean it really seems that people are starting to get it and that some of the european countries as you know that have decriminalized it have seen more than 50 reductions in drug use it takes the money it takes the glamour out of it it takes the poisonous stuff that gets mixed with the street garbage
01:44:13.000look at alcohol tripled in use corruption bloomed during nine years of prohibition i'm I mean, isn't this an idea whose time has come, and what do you see the critics doing trying to demonize Ron Paul, yourself, myself, and others that want decriminalization?
01:44:28.000Well, of course, demonization is the word, and you know, if there's anybody anybody should be able to tell about Ron Paul, he's Mr. Straight.
01:44:52.000In fact, he's done a lot of work in his medical career to try to help people get off drugs if they want to.
01:44:59.000But he understands that, first of all, as Mises pointed out, We have the right to decide what we put in our bodies.
01:45:05.000This is not somebody else's decision to make.
01:45:07.000We as adults have this right, and we know that a lot of stuff that the government promotes as wonderful for us, high fructose corn syrup, and go right down the list of all the horrible things that they promote, are actually very bad for us.
01:45:19.000Probably far worse than smoking a marijuana cigarette.
01:45:22.000And things like marijuana are actually very good for many medical conditions.
01:45:26.000But again, people as a matter of the control of their own bodies, control of their own lives, have the right to do what they want to do.
01:45:32.000But of course the government, we always have to remember the government is never, I don't want to shock anybody, the government is not a charitable organization.
01:45:39.000The government doesn't actually care about you.
01:45:41.000They want your money and they want power over you.
01:45:44.000So this is why they want the drug war.
01:45:46.000They also make vast amounts from all the bribes they get from the drug dealers.
01:45:50.000But I think more and more Americans are realizing, especially on the medicinal marijuana question, but on many other related issues, that they don't want the government running this.
01:47:34.000Is this an attempt to intimidate us because they know we're waking up, or is this just an orgy of control freaks that think they're unstoppable?
01:47:42.000I want your expert opinion on that, Lew Rockwell.
01:47:44.000Well, I think they are, you know, they are control freaks, of course.
01:47:48.000Everybody who goes into government, especially the people who rise in government, are like this.
01:48:13.000But unfortunately, every government would like to be a totalitarian government if they could get away with it.
01:48:20.000It's only the people's opposition that prevents it.
01:48:23.000And after the whole business of 9-11, The American people's opposition to government tyranny dramatically reduced because they became terrified of the Muslims under the bed and all the rest of the baloney.
01:48:34.000So, when that happened, the government just expands like an evil balloon to take over everything.
01:48:41.000And the bigger the government gets, the more torturers and people who just love feeling up at the airport.
01:48:50.000And so we're in a fight for our lives, of course.
01:48:52.000On the other hand, I think And Ron Paul shows us with the millions of kids that he's brought into our movement, more and more opposition is springing up to this.
01:49:00.000So, there's the normal battle, which goes on through all of history between what Murray Rothbard called power and market, between the private society and the violence, the violence promoters.
01:49:11.000We have the people who use violence, some of them we call criminals, the muggers, murderers, rapists, burglars, and so forth.
01:49:33.000We have to read the great books, books of Mises and Rothbard and all the great Austrian economists, the great libertarians, and understand why the government is our enemy, what we can do about it.
01:49:44.000But the first thing is we have to change ourselves to become opponents of all of this, intellectual opponents, withdraw our consent, laugh at the government, explain to others about government lies, and of course every word that comes out of their mouths is a lie.
01:49:58.000So these people, these people are our enemy, not some alleged terrorists in Yemen.
01:50:05.000They want us, they want every bit of control over our lives.
01:50:08.000We see 1984, Orwell's novel, coming true right before our eyes.
01:50:13.000All the stuff that I've fought all my life, you too Alex, we see it happening at just an unbelievable pace right now.
01:50:20.000But still they need the people's consent.
01:50:22.000Yes, but why is it going into overdrive?
01:50:25.000I mean, I know historically corruption gets to a point and always does this, and generally that's when you get liberty back if you're not totally destroyed.
01:50:31.000But I mean, this is cartoon level, the ridiculous lying.
01:50:36.000city after city, it turns out they hire the head TSA person is convicted pedophiles or deep rocked priest.
01:50:44.000And just the crimes and the trillions every year stolen at the Pentagon and CIA aircraft.
01:50:51.000And they have the troops line up and admit they're growing the opium to desensitize people, you know, because they had to kill Pat Tillman because he spoke out.
01:51:05.000Well, one thing we can be sure of, there is nothing beyond them. - Yeah.
01:51:10.000If they decide not to do some horrendous thing to us, it's only because they haven't thought of it, or they can't get it organized because they're the government, or they think it's not in their interest.
01:51:18.000But this bunch would never say, oh, we can't do that because it would be wrong.
01:51:27.000them it's why we have to be the best why we have to arm ourselves why we have to you know as i said laugh at them deny them uh undermine them subvert them in every way we can it's funny you say that because every time we put up a tsa video making fun of them youtube bans it but they'll let us put up anything else against them but but literally they do not like being made fun of no no and this is this is an ancient point
01:51:53.000um that the prince can take almost anything except being laughed at When they laugh at the government, you know, that's why they ban jokes at the airport.
01:52:03.000You know, you can actually go to jail for telling a joke in the land of the First Amendment.
01:52:08.000So, yeah, but again, you have to first educate yourself.
01:52:14.000As Albert J. Knox said about the one thing you can do for the human race is present it with one improved unit.
01:52:33.000You have to understand what Murray Rothbard said, that the state is a gang of thieves writ large.
01:52:39.000If you understand that, if you understand the nature of government, you understand that it not only doesn't have your best interests at heart, it's your enemy.
01:53:16.000You've got a better chance of a honeybee killing you, they've done national news stories on that, than these people.
01:53:22.000But then, it's in the LA Times, and it's in the Associated Press, in the back of the paper, that Al-Qaeda in Al-Qaeda uniforms, with Al-Qaeda patches and flags, took over Libya, murdered people en masse.
01:53:34.000Obama said bombing is a peace operation, not war.
01:53:53.000I mean, it's crazy that the government is using Al-Qaeda as their jihadi brigade, as they did against the Russians back in the 80s, and that I'm told, give my rights up, let them grope my wife and children at the airport for people that work for them publicly.
01:54:09.000Well sure, of course, and as you mentioned, the whole Syria thing is a trick.
01:54:12.000I mean, it's the CIA and the Mossad funding these various so-called rebels who are trying to overthrow the last non-Islamic fundamentalist government in the Arab world.
01:54:40.000supported Al-Qaeda in the war against the Russians in Afghanistan, supported Osama bin Laden.
01:54:46.000And so they're using them again in Syria.
01:54:48.000There's a similar group they're funding in Iran to cause various terrorist incidents.
01:54:53.000And I know you know this, but people can even see it in the Washington Post from like 15 years ago.
01:54:57.000It's so amazing that on top of all this, billions were spent over the decades Paying for the textbooks saying kill Americans, jihad this.
01:55:08.000Our government funded the radical madrasas because they don't want the Arabs who invented mathematics and science to become industrialized to compete.
01:55:16.000They want a bunch of crazy guys, you know, the bad guys in Team America running around.
01:55:21.000I mean, imagine the magnitude of that!
01:55:23.000Well, you know, they want to do the Arabs what they want to do the rest of us, this.
01:55:32.000And so, you know, in order to control them, control the oil, and to break up all the countries in the Middle East, this is the open neocon plan that was issued before Bush's first Iraq war.
01:55:45.000They want to break up all these Muslim countries.
01:55:47.000The better to control them and, again, to control all the oil.
01:56:56.000It's a sin of pride, and it's very dangerous, and the typical American feels we can kill everybody all over the world, and then they're astonished that maybe people don't like that, don't like having their families, their children butchered.
01:57:41.000I want to come back with five final minutes on what you think is happening in Europe, where you think that's going to go, how we don't let them use the crisis that's coming, as Ron Paul said a decade ago, as you said over a decade ago, from becoming total government instead of using it to reduce all this tyranny.
02:00:39.000And I heard this from sources, well Bob Chapman, State Department sources, a year and a half ago.
02:00:45.000The TSA is acting like this now on the highways.
02:00:48.000They admit that's going to be their mission.
02:00:51.000I mean, at a certain point, I avoid the airports now with my family, but I mean, if they try to pull me over and grope my family as a symbol of my submission to them, my prisoner training, I don't know what I'm going to do at this point, Lou.
02:01:03.000What's your take on what's happening in Europe and anything else on your radar?
02:02:22.000It didn't even go through the government.
02:02:23.000So all this is about bailing out the banks, not Greece being bailed out or whatever, and the higher taxes and so forth being forced on these countries.
02:02:31.000It's to pay off the banks, all the banks that hold the government debt.
02:02:35.000And there's no way to do it, by the way.
02:02:38.000There is going to have to be a default There's not enough productivity in the whole world to undo what these rotten banks have done, these fractional reserve banksters who are in league with the government.
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02:08:07.000Well, Governor Gary Johnson joins us Governor Gary Johnson joins us for the next 52 minutes. .
02:08:29.000We will take a few calls starting at the bottom of the hour if you'd like to talk to Governor Johnson specifically on policies, issues, election 2012, how you can support him.
02:08:40.000He is the Libertarian presidential nominee and candidate for 2012 for president.
02:08:47.000And Governor Johnson has been referred to as the most fiscally conservative governor in the country.
02:08:53.000He was the Republican governor of New Mexico from 95 to 2003.
02:08:57.000He is best known for his veto record which includes over 750 vetoes.
02:09:00.000So he's kind of like a Ron Paul style governor.
02:09:05.000But he's also for decriminalization of marijuana, a lot of other issues.
02:09:10.000He is a true libertarian in every sense of the word.
02:09:13.000And I hope Ron Paul endorses him because Ron Paul endorsed Chuck Baldwin for the Constitution Party four years ago when it was clear Ron Paul couldn't win because of media demonization and cheating and things like that.
02:09:30.000Same thing happened this time, but he had even more support.
02:09:34.000Rand has created a firestorm by supporting Mitt Romney.
02:09:39.000And let me tell you, that is, again, the night and day compared to somebody like Governor Johnson.
02:09:46.000It's not just that he endorsed some Republican, ladies and gentlemen.
02:09:48.000It's Mitt Romney, who changes like a weather vane, who constantly flip-flops, who wrote what became Obamacare.
02:09:58.000The point is, is that you'll never build a third party, you'll never break the stranglehold of the Crips and the Bloods, the Republicans and the Democrats as Ventura calls them, if we don't start changing things.
02:10:11.000And he should be in the national debates.
02:10:14.000It shouldn't just be Mitt Romney and Obama, both paid for by Goldman Sachs, who have different rhetoric.
02:10:23.000One's against gay marriage, one's for it.
02:10:25.000Total football issue that they just bring up to distract people, regardless of which side of that you're on.
02:10:30.000And we're going to get Governor Johnson's take on all this, his policies and more, joining us via video Skype if you're watching at PrisonPlanet.tv or listening on XM 166 or other systems.
02:10:42.000Sir, obviously I want to get into Your campaign.
02:10:46.000But what do you make and what have your supporters made of Rand Paul coming out and endorsing Mitt Romney?
02:10:55.000And are you obviously hoping that Ron Paul will endorse you and swing his huge, huge grassroots of tens of millions towards you?
02:11:05.000Well, Alex, I was asked for Ron Paul's endorsement by Ron Paul in 2008.
02:11:17.000And when I dropped out of the Republican Party, Republican process here running for president, I asked all my supporters, Support Ron Paul.
02:11:36.000I think that what he and I are saying are the same.
02:11:40.000Look, I think it's important that I am in the national debates against Romney and Obama.
02:11:46.000I'm going to be the only candidate that doesn't want to bomb Iran.
02:11:49.000I'm going to be the only candidate that wants to get out of Afghanistan now, bring home the troops.
02:11:54.000I'm the only candidate that's advocating, I'm promising, to submit a balanced budget to Congress in the year 2013, believing that if we don't fix our budget, that if we don't spend within our means, we're going to find ourselves In the midst of a monetary collapse, and what that is, is that the money that we have doesn't buy a thing, and I don't see life in America as very pleasant when the money that we have doesn't buy a thing.
02:12:20.000And Ron Paul needs to endorse you sooner rather than later because... I'm not expecting his endorsement, so we're not asking for it, I'm not expecting it, but that said, it's...
02:12:49.000If he didn't endorse John McCain, then he can't endorse Mitt Romney.
02:12:54.000He was a Libertarian presidential candidate in 88, as you know.
02:13:00.000Well, I know that, and I think there's Rand coming out and endorsing Romney.
02:13:07.000I mean, that's all about politics and somehow staying part of the Republican Party.
02:13:13.000I talked to Republican supporters of Ron Paul in Fort Worth just the other night.
02:13:20.000And they were imploring me to stay within the Republican Party and to work within the Republican Party, that they had worked really hard to make changes within the Republican Party and wanted those changes to stick.
02:13:33.000I applaud all the Ron Paul supporters that have worked so hard to really try and change and continue to try and change the Republican Party.
02:13:40.000But come over to the Libertarian Party.
02:13:44.000There aren't any changes that are going to have to be made.
02:13:48.000Well, if anybody thinks Mitt Romney is going to turn against Goldman Sachs and the Globalist and all the rest of it, they've got another thing coming.
02:13:56.000I mean, Mitt Romney is going to do what his special interests want him to do, and that's why I'm worried about Rand down the road, because Romney probably will get in.
02:14:02.000You know, you're there basically to inject real issues.
02:14:04.000I wish you would win, but people should get behind you.
02:14:07.000And everybody's turning against Obama right now.
02:14:11.000Barring some big crisis or war or staged event, I think Obama's toast, the writing's on the wall, the left is turning against him, the establishment's turning against him, it's starting to look like a rout here, the sharks smell blood, and then it's gonna be Mitt Romney?
02:14:26.000And Rand Paul now has hitched his wagon to that?
02:14:30.000What's he gonna do when Mitt Romney says, torture is good, NDAA is good, attack Iran is good?
02:14:35.000I mean, that's what Mitt Romney stands for.
02:15:27.000I mean, I think you're going to have a lot of Democrats who are mad at Obama as well voting for you.
02:15:33.000Well, really, I come at libertarian candidates.
02:15:37.000I, being the libertarian nominee for president, me, I'm going to come at Obama hard from the left, from a standpoint of civil liberties, and I'm going to come at Romney hard from the right, from the standpoint of dollars and cents and balancing the federal budget.
02:15:54.000In the few states where they've actually done an analysis of who I take more votes from, I actually take more votes from Obama, which doesn't surprise me.
02:16:03.000But the analysis is somewhat mixed, which holds to my belief that I end up taking equally from both parties, and I take from a group, independents, that wouldn't ordinarily vote.
02:16:16.000Well, I think maybe I'm going to give independents a reason to vote, or I'm going to give a lot of people a reason to vote, that their vote would actually be cast in an ideological way that says, look, we care about civil liberties, and look, we care about a balanced budget.
02:16:43.000They're not supposed to be domestically involved.
02:16:45.000And now, you know, the head of the army came out in the CFR report two weeks ago and said, hey, we want to put troops, armed troops in every city to aid the police.
02:16:54.000I mean, this is, I might as well move to Guatemala or Nigeria or Saudi Arabia.
02:17:00.000Or getting to teleport back to Nazi Germany or North Korea right now.
02:17:05.000I mean, just the racing of the CIA director saying, we're listening to you without warrants, ha ha ha.
02:17:12.000Why do you think they're going so crazy right now, both political parties, like a cancer metastasizing?
02:18:28.000Now, I know they fought to keep you out of debates, they fought to keep you... the system's scared of you, because they know you're a real constitutional libertarian, you know, slash old-line conservative common sense.
02:18:56.000GaryJohnson2012.com to get the following information.
02:18:59.000And that is, contact all the polling organizations so that I'm in the polls.
02:19:04.000That was really the issue with the debates in the Republican Party.
02:19:07.000I wasn't in the polls that determined who got in the debates.
02:19:10.000When I'm in the polls, right now, I'm polling anywhere between 7 and 9 percent nationally.
02:19:17.000I think most, uh, the biggest contributor to the fact that I'm 7 to 9 percent is the fact that I'm the third name.
02:19:24.000But as this goes forward, it's more than just a third name.
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02:24:25.000Your calls are coming up in the next segment for Gary Johnson, former governor of New Mexico.
02:24:31.000Very successful out there, sticking to his promises.
02:24:34.000And he is running as a Libertarian candidate.
02:24:39.000And in the past, Ron Paul would have endorsed the Libertarian candidate or the Constitution Party candidate.
02:24:45.000And I'm telling you, it will be a departure from what Ron Paul normally does, the Ron Paul we love, if he doesn't endorse somebody.
02:24:51.000And Gary Johnson is who he needs to endorse.
02:24:55.000I know some people that are working for Ron Paul, the Politico type, want to be big stars in the Republican Party, but this isn't about that.
02:25:02.000It isn't about, you know, just going to the Republican Party and being taken over.
02:25:09.000And I know a lot of Ron Paul people think that's happening, and that's good.
02:25:13.000But we've had a great Republican Party platform here in Texas for a long time.
02:25:33.000Governor Johnson, it took people only six months to start waking up to Obama, that he'd conned him.
02:25:39.000Used to it took people three, four years to wake up to a politician.
02:25:44.000Are voters starting to get more savvy?
02:25:46.000I mean, why do you think the American people are buying millions of guns a month?
02:25:51.000No, I think that that's exactly the case.
02:25:53.000And I would like to point out that so much is made about working together.
02:25:57.000Working together is just code in Washington to spend more money.
02:26:02.000I'd like to point out that when it comes to Obama and Romney, that I have more governmental executive experience than the two of them combined.
02:26:11.000And if your initial knee-jerk is, we don't need people with more government experience, my experience in government is saying no to government spending, is saying no!
02:26:21.000To the attacks on our civil liberties.
02:26:23.000I may have vetoed more legislation than the other 49 governors in the country combined.
02:26:45.000But I'm going to argue that ...will be lower in that scenario than any other scenario possible.
02:26:51.000Imagine a libertarian president challenging Obama to repeal, or excuse me, challenging Democrats in Congress to repeal the Patriot Act, to abolish the Department of Homeland Security, to let's not bomb Iran, to get out of Afghanistan.
02:27:06.000Imagine a Libertarian President challenging Republicans in Congress to get some starch!
02:27:12.000Imagine a Libertarian President vetoing a Republican spending bill that spends too much!
02:27:23.000I agree with you, but you've gone over the numbers.
02:27:26.000We had Lou Rockwell on earlier talking about it.
02:27:29.000Even if they hyperinflate, we're going to go bankrupt and government, it looks like, has decided like a cancer to just eat everything to totally take over.
02:27:37.000Don't the defense contractors, don't the welfare people, don't the unions, don't they all know that the course we're going on will wreck Everything?
02:27:56.000And unless they have a clear choice, and I don't mean Obama and Romney, where Romney says, let's slash spending, but you just scratched the surface a little bit.
02:28:07.000And he wants to increase spending for defense.
02:28:11.000...and I cringe every time I call the Department of War the Department of Defense, but we should increase spending for the Department of Defense and we should hold Medicare harmless.
02:28:22.000And for those listening, for everyone in this country, look, if we don't spend within our means, if we don't cut Medicare spending by 43%, we're going to...
02:28:34.000...to find ourselves without a healthcare system at all.
02:33:32.000You can have people that come out and say, oh no, they want libertarianism.
02:33:36.000Yeah, there are some globalists who want to call it libertarianism and privatize things that are already public, but then just operate as government ripping you off.
02:33:45.000Don't confuse that Bilderberg, you know, Peter Th...
02:33:49.000The Teal type idea as real constitutionalism or what you call libertarianism.
02:33:55.000You know, the ideas of drug decriminalization, the ideas of states' rights, the idea of...
02:34:02.000I want to get the governor's take on the police state question I brought up with the proliferation of the military, the checkpoints, all of it here in a moment.
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02:34:39.000The head of the Army saying, the Secretary of the Army two weeks ago and the CFR saying, we're going to have armed troops in every city to take on the Americans.
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02:36:25.000Governor, you heard my question, my diatribe about the accelerating Not even federalization but militarization of everything and shifting from it's for Al Qaeda to it's for libertarian right-wing extremists.
02:36:39.000What do you make of this and what would you do as president?
02:36:43.000What will you say in the debates about this issue?
02:36:46.000Well, the root of all evil are politicians that want to get elected to save you and I from all of what's bad in the world, whether that be drugs, whether that be the illegal immigrant, whether that be poor health care, whether that be the terrorist threat.
02:37:09.000And so we need to bomb Iran and we need to get in an endless war in Afghanistan.
02:37:15.000And so it's politicians at the root of all evil creating, with the executive, with the president, new agencies to address all these fears.
02:37:26.000And then the bureaucrats that run amok to go along with this.
02:37:30.000Look, I will tell you, as Governor of New Mexico, my experience, good government was easy.
02:37:38.000And it started with looking at issues first and politics last.
02:37:42.000Don't discount electing a President of the United States.
02:37:49.000but beholden to no one that goes in, and if no laws change, being able to control all these agencies because the President of the United States appoints the heads of all these agencies, because the President of the United States appoints the heads of all and the membership of all boards and commissions, because the President of the United States appoints the heads of all and the membership of all boards and commissions,
02:38:10.000The President of the United States controls exactly what it is that you are talking about right now because these are all being driven through the various bureaucracies.
02:38:21.000That can come to an end, electing a President of the United States that's actually going to bring leadership as opposed to status quo and being bought and paid for.
02:38:52.000Well, they use the illegals as an excuse to put in biometrics, but then don't even use it against them.
02:38:57.000Bank of America, you know, wants three forms of ID for my crew members.
02:39:00.000We've been in there and shot video of it.
02:39:02.000One of my guys who had a bank account there.
02:39:05.000But an illegal can come in with a fake consular matricula.
02:39:07.000You can almost get out of Cracker Jack boxes.
02:39:09.000I understand immigrants Our hard-working, as many of them are, actually do help the economy.
02:39:18.000My issue's not with them, it's that the government, Republicans as well, give them welfare, get them on the system, teach them victimology and all of this liberation theology.
02:39:30.000I mean, when I was in high school, at Anderson High, They were teaching us, you know, that America was evil and Mexico's gonna take over.
02:39:38.000And this was white teachers doing this, by the way.
02:39:39.000I mean, this is what the government wants, is to kind of break things up, have us at each other's throats.
02:39:45.000And I understand you represented a border state there in New Mexico, but you can't have the illegals here, and you gotta kick them out because of the welfare.
02:39:53.000I mean, you know, they come across the border, they have their kids, they immediately, I have to pay for it, and then the illegals end up becoming Democrats who vote 90% of the time to try to ban my guns.
02:40:04.000So that's why I have the problem with the illegal alien.
02:40:06.000So how do you deal with that as president?
02:40:09.000Well, I think we make it as easy as possible for someone that wants to come into this country and work to get a work visa.
02:40:20.000I'm talking about a work visa that would entail a background check because we don't want criminals working in this country.
02:40:27.000With regard to the 11 million illegal immigrants that are here in this country right now, I think we need to set up a grace period where we can get them a work visa.
02:40:37.000And you're absolutely right about welfare.
02:40:40.000We do not want this to be about welfare.
02:40:44.000The third promise I'm making when it comes to the economy, besides submitting a balanced budget and vetoing expenditures that exceed revenue, is I am advocating throwing out the entire federal tax system.
02:40:58.000Throwing out the income tax, throwing out corporate tax, withholdings, abolishing the IRS, and replacing it with one federal consumption tax.
02:41:12.000If we implement the fair tax, taxes will not be an issue, whether it's illegal immigrants, legal immigrants, U.S.
02:41:19.000citizens, visitors, no one is going to be able to pay the taxes.
02:41:23.000Yes, I understand that that would turbocharge the economy.
02:41:25.000Here's the problem, and I was told by insiders 18 years ago, and it turned out to be very accurate, that they were going to always come out and have people push a fair tax or a flat tax.
02:41:36.000A sales tax, VAT, whatever the case is, and then bait and switch and call the income tax your Social Security at 10%, and then have basically 9, 9, 9, 9.
02:41:46.000You know, the real plan that he was pushing was four nines, and so then they can always jack the nines up later, and it's just a way to get total federal surveillance of now all the sales happening at the point of sale.
02:42:20.000And no more withholdings from your payroll checks.
02:42:22.000So Alex, Social Security, Medicare, unemployment comes out of the proceeds of the fair tax.
02:42:29.000No, no, I understand, but I mean, you're pledging that this would not happen unless we did get rid of the income tax.
02:42:36.000That is part of the fair tax package, which 90 congressmen and women have signed on to to this point.
02:42:44.000So the discussion or the template is there.
02:42:48.000I know, but notice Neil Bortz even pushed that, but then as soon as it got down to the point, it was 999, and they left out the other nine.
02:42:56.000It just makes my head hurt to think... Well, no, this 999 is something completely different.
02:43:01.000No, no, no, I know it is, but I'm saying that's what they're going to end up pushing is, oh, we're not going to call it the income tax, but we're going to call it a social security tax.
02:43:10.000Well, it wouldn't be a Social Security tax because the proceeds of Social Security come out of the proceeds of the Fair Tax.
02:43:17.000Now, you're right to criticize the finer points of all this, but to go to a one, one federal consumption tax Is really a vast improvement over what we currently have and imagine abolishment of the IRS and the ramifications that will have on the economy that all of us don't end up spending months out of the year dealing with our taxes.
02:46:41.000Real quick, I wanted to let you know how I woke up.
02:46:43.000I was laid off from my job in 2009, and I all of a sudden had all this time on my hands to do research and find things out, and it also led me to a hobby of mine which turned into my career of playing poker online, and that's how I made my living.
02:46:56.000I'm sure you guys are aware of everything that's going on with that now.
02:46:59.000So I was just curious to know where Gary Johnson stands on, you know, me being able to make a living with online poker.
02:47:05.000Yeah, where are you on online gaming, sir?
02:47:09.000Well, I reached out to the poker players, this was well over a year ago, and said this is crazy.
02:48:28.000I should be able to play poker in this country, and I should be able to play poker in this country on a site that's owned by Americans generating tens of thousands of jobs nationwide to To accommodate the demand that goes along with online poker, but no!
02:48:44.000I can't do that, but I can go into a casino and don't you know that the basis of all that legislation was the special interests, the casino interests.
02:48:52.000Of course, it's the real mafia not wanting you to be able to play poker with somebody.
02:50:25.000See if anything that I have done suggests that I am anything about big government, if I am anything about taking away civil liberties.
02:50:34.000Arguably, I've done a better job of someone who's been in office of taking these interests on than anybody else, and that's what I'm putting myself out there as.
02:50:45.000Well, you certainly did what you said you would do as governor, even though I disagree with you on a few issues.
02:50:51.000The fact that you do what you say you're going to do, I mean, that is such a rare political resource that I'm going to support you.
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02:54:58.000First of all, I want to say I know you mean well and you have an acute understanding of fiscal policy and the financial debacle we face as a nation.
02:55:05.000However, when you visited Michigan State University last year, you were hosted by the Young Americans for Liberty student organization, and I asked you a couple questions.
02:55:13.000One had to deal with Fluoridation and municipal water supplies, to which you responded without hesitation, shrugging your shoulders, saying, well, my dentist said it's good, so it can't be that bad.
02:55:23.000And then I'll also ask you about Janet Napolitano's See Something, Say Something campaign, to which you kind of likened it to a neighborhood watch, and you said, maybe it's not a bad thing.
02:55:33.000I know you're not a bad guy, but I want to hear your rebuttal, maybe flesh it out, what you meant by that.
02:55:38.000Yeah, the issue of See Something Say Something, let's take that first.
02:55:41.000Their point is they want to get us all tattletailing on each other and it creates this fear that terrorists are hiding under the table.
02:55:49.000Well, look, if See Something Say Something is reporting to the authorities that your parents are smoking pot and then your parents end up in jail, which is, we've seen instances of this All the time.
02:56:07.000So Steve, I really always want to be honest and forthright and see something, say something in terms of no TSA, in terms of no Homeland Security.
02:56:24.000And gee, if you really do see something, that you should report it.
02:56:47.000Look, I don't want to make it a federal government program to fluoridate the water, but if your city's fluoridating the water and it's something that you're absolutely opposed to, then that's where that issue should reside.
02:57:01.000Not certainly with the federal government.
02:57:03.000Sure, I think those are good answers, and we can further educate you on those things real fast.
02:57:54.000We got a job, but folks, even if he...
02:57:59.000The point of supporting is to get the word out.
02:58:00.000Bottom line, you only lose by not trying.
02:58:03.000Governor, real quick, what's your view on homeschooling and the assaults on that?
02:58:08.000Well, I'm an absolute supporter of homeschooling, so when it comes to the federal government, and what should the federal government do regarding education?
02:58:15.000Abolish the Federal Department of Education.