Alex Jones, Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, writer for the New York Times and other major publications, Chris Hedges, who has been successfully suing the federal government over the NDAA, will be joining us for 30 minutes starting in the next hour. Coming up, Dr. Richard Stallman, one of the main inventors of OpenFreeSoftware, and others, will join us to talk about all the Trojan horses built into the entire infrastructure that he s been warning of for more than two decades.
00:00:14.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:00:18.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
00:00:41.000My friends, we have another joint full of key information to cover on this September 5th, 2012, Wednesday edition.
00:00:53.000We're going to be here for the next three hours.
00:00:55.000Coming up, Dr. Richard Stallman, one of the main inventors of OpenFree software, GNU and others.
00:01:03.000He'll be joining us to talk about all the Trojan horses built into the entire infrastructure that he's been warning of for more than two decades.
00:01:11.000Turning our entire planet into a DARPA-run control group.
00:01:16.000Chris Hedges, the Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, writer for the New York Times and other major publications, who has been somewhat successfully suing the federal government over the NDAA, will be joining us for 30 minutes as well to start in the next hour.
00:01:31.000And this is going to be a big broadcast lined up today, especially when we've got cases of people now being arrested at airports and on the streets.
00:01:41.000at the DNC because they're protesting peacefully and the Department of Defense is over it.
00:01:48.000They're calling it low-level terrorism and likening it to bombing the Pentagon to protest.
00:01:55.000And they asked the judges, hold them in jail.
00:01:57.000They plan to protest, which is terrorism, as our policy says it is.
00:02:03.000Now, being on the watch list, which no judge, jury puts you on, you just get arrested.
00:02:09.000So the NDAA is being implemented, and it's just happening like it's no big deal.
00:02:14.000Also, I mentioned this briefly yesterday, but I only mentioned one small area of it, that it's usually government that's leaking data on purpose.
00:02:24.000But hackers embarrass Apple with data leak, and this is tens of millions, 12 million plus, Apple passcodes.
00:02:37.000Apple ID, so they can get into everything with that, basically.
00:02:41.000And so if you have an Apple ID, you need to change it right now.
00:02:46.000But the point is, by the way, I have Apple devices.
00:02:48.000They haven't been sending me messages saying, change my passcode.
00:02:52.000So there you go, because they're complicit.
00:02:54.000And it just shows the chronic ignorance.
00:02:58.000Of the media, because most of these aren't even operatives, they're just pulled from generations of dumbed down, compartmentalized people, that in the Telecommunications Act of 96, of 2001, and in other major pieces of legislation, it funds and mandates back doors in everything.
00:03:18.000All smartphones, all cell phones, all computers, all washers and dryers, alarm clocks, AM, FM, radio, VHF, UHF, cable systems, satellites, IP companies with more than...
00:03:37.000Internet companies with more than 100 customers.
00:03:44.000As I said, the phone companies are the NSA.
00:03:47.000I told you that in 1996 because I read the Stinkin' Telecommunications Act, which engineers, I was only on the radio in Austin then, contacted me and came to the radio station and said, read this.
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00:07:58.000888-253-3139 We now take you live to the Central Texas Command Center, in the heart of the Resistance.
00:08:13.000You are listening to The Alex Jones Show.
00:08:40.000Ladies and gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us on this Wednesday, 5th day of the 2012 edition of The Alex Jones Show.
00:08:52.000We do have Chris Hedges, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist.
00:08:56.000...who has been somewhat successfully suing the Occupational Banker Government over the NDAA, where they say they will secretly, and now are, disappearing American citizens off the street.
00:09:08.000They've now shifted from Al-Qaeda being the reason they're abolishing the Bill of Rights and Constitution.
00:09:15.000Over to domestic groups that do not support the New World Order.
00:09:20.000And openly saying, if you don't accept foreign banks quote, occupying the U.S.
00:09:25.000and quote, making us slaves of international banks, then you're a terrorist.
00:09:30.000So they've pretty much gone from denying all this exists, to saying if you don't accept it, you're the terrorist.
00:09:36.000Which is what you'd expect by a foreign corporate takeover of your government.
00:09:42.000And now here we are, they're trying to shirk The move towards shutting down freedom on the web and a lot more.
00:09:51.000Also, Dr. Richard Stallman dealing with all the different backdoor systems built into your cell phones, built into your smart meters, built into your washers and dryers.
00:10:13.000Google, I told you a decade ago, when they first launched those Google cars, or about nine years ago, to be technical, was driving around for the NSA, hacking your computer and stealing your data.
00:10:25.000Because it's not really hacking, because they have the access master codes already hard built into all the major computers.
00:10:31.000They mandate if a Chinese, South Korean, Singaporean Indian ships are to be sold in the West in agreements.
00:10:42.000They have to have back doors built into them so that governments and corporations can instantly access your computer and track you, watch you, listen to you.
00:10:53.000This is in all the patents Google, uh, seven years ago put out press releases to its shareholders admitting they're watching you in your home.
00:11:12.000And then when people finally start going, hey, there's backdoor tech built into all the chips, they go, yes, the Communist Chinese, they did it.
00:11:21.000They've got backdoors in all of our defense tech.
00:11:26.000They're hacking in, and missile systems are failing, and the phoenix gun system is failing on board the destroyers.
00:11:33.000It's those dirty commies that the bankers set up in power in 49, putting Mao Zedong in.
00:11:39.000The Rockefellers bragged in the New York Times, 1977, I have copies of it in the endgame blueprint for global enslavement, went to the UT Law Library, pulled up the New York Times, right there praising how they put the commies in.
00:11:52.000And pay to ship all our jobs, and have tax incentives to move, or pay to move entire factories over there with your tax money.
00:12:00.000But then say, give your rights up, the commie Chinese are going to get you.
00:12:05.000Or if you're against endless wars and the New World Order, oh, you must be pro-China.
00:12:10.000See, that's the little mind games they play.
00:12:13.000You see, the globalists are neo-colonialists, but they're not just colonizing the third world, they're now de-industrializing in a takeover move the first world.
00:12:27.000And then they have a bunch of low-level, acolyte, quote, communist, socialist liberals who are anti-Western, who believe they're destroying the West to build up the third world, but really, In actuality, it's destroying the third world and the wealthy West, which has come out in the Copenhagen climate change treaties, global tax treaties, where they admit it's for world government.
00:14:29.000But one theory fell out, one thesis fell out, the other then became the orthodoxy.
00:14:36.000When you actually study All of these different thought processes the globalists put out, there's truth in all of them.
00:14:44.000And the globalists have higher level specialized schools where they unify the fields and say, here's how you really think.
00:14:52.000They have special economic schools above the Chicago Business School, above the Chicago School of Economics.
00:15:00.000And I've had former MI6 officers on about this, I've had top bankers on, I've had top regulators on, top economists, to break this down, how you're then sent to special schools when they're ready to make you a vice president.
00:15:15.000And they're like, now here's how it really works!
00:15:39.000And each of you is a, has a piece of stock.
00:15:42.000Well, no, what he's really saying is, each of you is a piece of stock, a human resource, and humanity is seen as cheap.
00:15:49.000Humanity is seen as trash to be carried away.
00:15:55.000The New World Order is teaching us that we're scum, teaching us we're ugly, teaching us we're bad, teaching us we're not fulfilled, preparing us with a racial memory to accept what they will call the end of the world.
00:16:09.000They have all the religions teaching it, they have the New Agers teaching it, but the end of the world's coming, and so lay down and die.
00:16:18.000It is a kill switch built into our psyche to give up.
00:16:22.000And they're teaching you that you are to be aborted.
00:16:26.000They don't just want to abort 50 million babies in America, 52 million, in the last 39 years.
00:16:32.000They want to get you ready to abort the natural development of humanity to satisfy the crazed ego of 180 IQ globalists who still are missing the deeper empathy and understanding and who are so power-mad they know they're getting blowback From what they're doing, opening the Pandora's box, opening the Ark of the Covenant, and all that's shooting out of it at them, but they cannot help it.
00:17:15.000And because of that, they may actually create the end of the world scenario that they use to make everybody stand down.
00:17:23.000So, we do face the end of the world if we don't wake up and take action.
00:17:30.000And, again, even if you believe it's the end of the world next week, the end of the world as we know it.
00:17:35.000The idea of turning loose of your destiny and just saying it's all over because somebody told you it was the end of the world is giving up on your destiny to live to the fullest.
00:17:49.000And see, that's why they don't want you to think you have a spirit or a soul.
00:17:52.000Because if you don't, well then you won't care if it's the end of the world.
00:17:55.000You'll just selfishly go out and cheat other people and abuse yourself and never develop to a higher level.
00:18:02.000But if you understand that there are things that transcend these earth suits, if you understand that innately, from your own experience, and the flow of time, there is no past, there is no present, there is no future, there is the flow of time.
00:18:19.000What happened a trillion years ago happened and is happening and is flowing forward now.
00:18:38.000You'll turn loose of the direction and just give it to these people that crave it so much.
00:18:42.000And they'll be able to program you like a machine.
00:18:45.000But the minute you realize that there's more than just this body...
00:18:49.000The minute you realize the mystery and the magic and the power all around you, the minute you tune in to just how incredible you are, the minute you discover that, the minute you find that secret, the minute you unlock that door, the minute you open that door, the universe lies before you, a veritable stairway to heaven!
00:19:11.000And they don't want you to ever have that!
00:19:15.000They don't want you to ever have access to that!
00:19:19.000They want you to calmly march off into the night.
00:19:35.000Now when we come back, it is incredible economic news that I will cover.
00:19:40.000Incredible TSA news, incredible NSA news, incredible war news, incredible AP, Washington Post, Detroit Free Press, CNN, all attacking Alex Jones at Infowars.com.
00:19:55.000Just Obama imploding, it's all coming up!
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00:24:18.000I'm wound up about trying to motivate and awaken my beloved humanity.
00:24:25.000All of us are brothers and sisters in the fight for freedom, in the fight for consciousness, in the fight for truth, in the fight for not being slaves, in the fight to destroy and smash into the ground in the information war the control freaks that would suppress humanity, those who are afraid of unleashing the true power and true potential.
00:25:48.000Same way you try to derail an awakening to drones.
00:25:50.000We're going to break that down after the break here and get into just so much more.
00:25:55.000Apple, you know, the FBI with your passcode without warrants watching everything you do.
00:25:59.000I mean, I'm going to give you the full breakdown.
00:26:01.000But since I mentioned the 1974-75 film Network, Where Howard Beale, the newscaster who's woken up to reality, and that we're being fed a bunch of lies, he wakes up, he gets called in by the real salesman.
00:26:18.000Who, you know, is the head of this major corporation, because he knows how to sell.
00:26:24.000Came up from selling sewing machines, or whatever he tells him.
00:26:27.000And in this, the New World Order is throwing in your face the corporate line I've been given by big presidents and CEOs of media companies years ago when they tried to turn me to the dark side about globalism and how it was really to help people and it was already in place and it was futile to resist.
00:26:42.000What they don't tell you here, where they're throwing it in your face, because I've been given speeches similar to this off the record, Is that they want to get you into a global economy, not to empower people, but so they can start cutting off the resources and you have nowhere to run.
00:26:58.000They don't tell you the eugenics end of this.
00:27:00.000They don't tell you it leads to a high-tech ditch where they shoot you in the head, but they shoot you in the head with bullets of GMO and aspartame and fluoride and MSG.
00:27:13.000So here is the clip, but I'm going to give you the rest of the story.
00:29:33.000And he goes on to say, and each of you gets a piece of stock.
00:29:36.000No, you're seen as a stock, a human resource that's traded, and they're using their control over the fiat currency to unfairly consolidate control and play God.
00:29:47.000That's the rest of the story he didn't tell Beale.
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00:30:58.000This is Alex Jones for SurvivalSeaBank.com.
00:31:01.000The worst drought in 50 years continues, and the first six months of 2012 marks the hottest half year on record.
00:31:07.00078% of the Midwest corn belt is in drought conditions.
00:31:10.000Not only corn, but soy, alfalfa, fruits, vegetables, and wheat are all impacted, raising prices.
00:31:15.000The cost to feed livestock is forcing farmers and ranchers out of business, blowing up your food prices.
00:31:20.000The only strategy to counter this is to freeze your food cost at today's prices by getting your own supply of foods from eFoods Direct now.
00:31:28.000As the price of raw ingredients increases, eFoods will have to raise prices too.
00:34:08.000You mean the 10,000 missiles our government gave Al-Qaeda in Libya and now Syria?
00:34:12.000By the way, they're on the news blowing up hospitals and blowing up and attacking airports and threatening civilian terrorism and being praised by NATO.
00:34:21.000NATO is advising Al-Qaeda to blow up hospitals and it's in the London Telegraph.
00:34:26.000Gee, Al-Qaeda, good job blowing up that hospital!
00:34:29.000That's the biggest war crime you can do!
00:34:42.000I mean, it's all reached Twilight Zone proportions.
00:34:47.000The TSA has come out and responded and said, you bet.
00:34:50.000When we see you buy a Starbucks coffee or a Coca-Cola at McDonald's inside the airport, past the checkpoints, we're gonna come up and check and see if it's a bomb.
00:34:59.000And they said we like to be, quote, unpredictable.
00:35:52.000We're gonna jam this needle in your kid and about a few will have seizures and be brain damaged, others will die, others will get cancer a decade later.
00:36:19.000And let me tell you, they're killing millions of us.
00:36:23.000Hundreds of thousands with this, hundreds of thousands with that.
00:36:25.000You know, the chem weapons, the cancer, the heart disease, the brain damage, the neurological disorders.
00:36:33.000They're killing us on the left, they're killing us on the right.
00:36:36.000And I'm sitting here watching their murder machine just roll on, just chewing people up, sucking them in and blasting them as bloody hunks out the back.
00:36:44.000I'm supposed to I'm supposed to just go along with it all.
00:36:47.000The government's got a race for the cure, not a race to find the cause why it's exploding.
00:36:53.000No, let's have the very people running the whole thing.
00:36:56.000Let's go raise money to give it to them to develop a cure for the elite, which we'll never get.
00:37:15.000Just like psychologists a hundred years ago in front of their students, you can put the photos online.
00:37:20.000Pull up psychiatrist lobotomizing someone photos, and it'll show all sorts of black and whites, there's even old film footage in the 20s where you know you've got somebody sitting there scrapped down and all the psychiatrists are laughing, the psychiatry students, and they just take an ice pick and go rah!
00:37:47.000It's like a murderer in a back alley wants to jam a ice pick in somebody's head, but they do it right in front of everybody because they're wearing a white lab coat of the high priest.
00:38:00.000And we just take it because they wear a blue uniform, they wear a white lab coat, while the Queen of England, she wears a big crown with jewels in it!
00:38:09.000I mean, she's got an ancient headdress on!
00:38:12.000How about we all run to some deserted island and try to find some pygmy king and bow down to somebody in New Guinea who's eating his neighbors because he's got big plumes of the paradise Bird in his head and nobody else is allowed to wear those, so we just fall down and say, kill me, eat me, chop my heart out, because you're government, you're God!
00:41:30.000Colonies that wish to merge with machines should go their way.
00:41:33.000Those of us that wish to develop and to take time need to be able to make our decisions, not have a bunch of crazy globalists With inbred syphilitic design, that's where all this was formed, this master plan 160 years ago, was in that embryonic fetid nursery.
00:41:54.000And I say it's all a lie and I talk directly to the controllers, you know I know your mind, you know I know your deepest secrets, you know!
00:42:05.000Instead of telling us how we should kill ourselves all day, and how we should stand down, and how we shouldn't breathe, and how we should die, I say you either grow up or you die!
00:42:45.000excuse me your attack on our species will be grievously visited upon you by yourselves by your own creation your own work God will use the pits you've dug for us to destroy you!
00:43:12.000All we need do is testify to the truth, and the fires you've built for us will consume you!
00:43:17.000And I take no pleasure in that, watching you damned from creation, watching you formed in your mother's womb, Deployed into the world like a torpedo of death to attack everything good.
00:45:13.000So, when it was announced 30,000 drones, FAA funded $46 billion, or 45.6 to be technical, memory serves, this year funded, to put the 30,000 drones in the sky and to authorize it and arming them and the police announcing it.
00:45:29.000Kurt Nemo wrote an article with a bunch of links to them spying on farmers with manned aircraft and drones in North Dakota and an arrest being made with predator drones and all the rest of it.
00:45:38.000And the Associated Press, Washington Post, over 500 newspapers that I saw.
00:45:45.000Overfiler newspapers came up with a hoax a few months ago saying there are no drones, Infowars is lying, DrudgeReport.com is lying.
00:45:54.000It was manned aircraft spying on people.
00:45:56.000They just cherry-picked one link in our story and just went off on that to deceive their readers.
00:46:02.000Now, I was at a Barnes & Noble like 14 years ago.
00:46:06.000And saw a psychology magazine, and I opened it up, and it was bragging about, in the 50s, British psychological warfare manuals.
00:46:14.000I've told this story 10 times, I'll tell it again.
00:46:16.000And I've already organically seen this, but there they were admitting it, that if British mercenaries for the crown killed 10,000 people in an African country for gold or diamonds, they would, before the media got it, they would report that 15 had been killed.
00:46:30.000And put out a fake story that the troops were killed defending themselves.
00:46:34.000So that later when it comes out that they...
00:46:37.000Kill 10,000, plus it's been cold blood to get the area, the whole villages, that people would differentiate and become confused and make the thought process about what's true and kind of like a hacking program, like a slow loris attack, where they just keep having the same request.
00:46:57.000That's why even though most troops know in World War One when loudspeakers are saying Put up your hands, you know, you can go free and they put their hands up and get shot.
00:47:04.000Most troops figured it out, but still some would panic and put their hands up and be machine gunned.
00:47:09.000And others would suddenly panic more and be machine gunned.
00:48:48.000Because our articles had armored vehicles being purchased by the hundreds, armored pillboxes by the hundreds, military drills, checkpoints, 1.4 billion bullets, admissions of preparing for collapse and civil unrest.
00:49:24.000The point is, You change the subject to like, oh look at those conspiracy terrorists.
00:49:30.000That means people concerned about 1.4 plus billion bullets being bought.
00:49:36.000And they said, the conspiracy theorists said it was for civil unrest, but they're delusional.
00:49:40.000The articles go on and say, you know, these bad men who get upset about this, the government wouldn't want to hurt you.
00:49:46.000No, they're just wearing black uniforms, got cameras and beating people everywhere.
00:49:49.000We have the biggest prison population in the world and we're secretly arresting people now at airports on the streets of Charlotte for peacefully protesting.
00:49:59.000People like James Tyson and the police, when they got to the jail, they said, well, why are you putting him in there?
00:50:03.000And they go, well, he was protesting, that's terrorism.
00:50:05.000And they asked the judge, they said, well, that's the terrorism.
00:50:08.000He's on the list, that's why he's in jail.
00:50:11.000No reason to be in jail, you're now on the list, no guns, no rights, no liberty, as Rahm Emanuel said.
00:50:15.000We've now reached this point, but we're not, you know, our article's about all that.
00:50:20.000And they make it about, oh, 174,000 bullets.
00:50:26.000Now they can't have bullets, and they have law enforcement deans of colleges going, these conspiracy theorists, they're just out of control.
00:50:32.000We need 174,000 bullets for Social Security Administration.
00:50:36.000That's only 600 bullets per officer per year.
00:50:39.000Our article's about 1.4 billion bullets.
00:50:42.000But see, they changed it with all these little old ladies getting the newspaper out and going, there's that dirty Alex Jones and Matt Drudge again.
00:50:49.000Look at them, worried about 1.4 billion bullets.
00:50:52.000I mean, oh, but they don't tell you the 1.4 billion bullets.
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00:53:17.000Incompetent, lying crooks that are counting on your ignorance and fear to keep your power bills criminally high.
00:55:17.000And when you have this kill grid being set up and you have all the torture and the wars and Homeland Security saying no Bill of Rights and Constitution and we the people are the target?
00:55:29.000If ranting and raving gets people out of their trance, which it does, see at first it's entertainment for people.
00:56:04.000And, you know, you can't argue with success, but there are, again, the Associated Press is in hundreds of TV stations on their websites posted and hundreds of newspapers.
00:56:15.000I can't even count them all right now.
00:56:16.000Basically coming out implying that the bullet story is an exaggeration by us.
00:56:23.000What they did is divert from the $1.4 billion, find one piece of minutiae, and claim our report was that.
00:56:39.000That's better than what they usually do.
00:56:41.000Detroit Free Press just called us conspiracy theorists.
00:56:44.000Yeah, if knowing how things really work is bad and being concerned about ten-plus times the record purchase of ammo they'd ever bought in a year, And all the rest of it.
00:56:56.000And police arresting people everywhere.
00:56:58.000You film cops at a stop, they arrest you for terrorism.
01:00:14.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
01:00:18.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
01:00:22.000Well, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who's been in a lot of serious war zones and reported on some of the biggest stories of our time is a Pulitzer Prize winner.
01:00:46.000He is Chris Hedges and the website's truthdig.com.
01:00:50.000He has a new book out that we're going to be breaking down with him today, Days of Destruction, What Days of Revolt.
01:01:11.000It's almost like my ghost dance here, wishing that we weren't going into such a fascist, corporatist tyranny.
01:01:18.000But Chris Hedges joins us, one of the few real liberal voices that you can say is respectable and really makes sense and who doesn't compromise.
01:01:26.000It's very scary to see none of the main conservatives against torture, Secret War, the end of the Bill of Rights, and really hardly any liberals.
01:01:36.000In fact, a lot of them love it because it's empowering their precious state that they don't understand is now a corporate instrument.
01:01:42.000Chris, we're about to go to break here in a few minutes, but I didn't want to waste any time getting you on.
01:01:49.000Tell us a little bit about the new book.
01:01:51.000Well, it goes to the sacrifice zones, the poorest pockets of the country that have been forced to kneel before unfettered corporate capitalism.
01:02:03.000And it's a kind of warning because they went first and we're next as we allow these corporate forces to reconfigure the country into a form of Neofeudalism, an oligarchic state backed by, you know, the most intrusive security surveillance apparatus probably in the history of humankind.
01:02:25.000And I speak as somebody who covered the fall of East Germany.
01:02:28.000I'm very familiar with the Stasi state.
01:02:33.000And, you know, there are no impediments left.
01:02:35.000So, you know, it looks at places like Camden, New Jersey, which per capita is the poorest city in the United States, not surprisingly also one of the most dangerous, Pine Ridge, South Dakota, Lakota, Indian Reservation, where the average life expectancy for a male is 48.
01:02:52.000That is the lowest in the Western Hemisphere, outside of Haiti.
01:02:56.000The coal fields of southern West Virginia, one of the most minerally rich pockets of the United States, and yet, of course, harbors the poorest population along with terrible ecological devastation.
01:03:10.000And finally, the produce fields, where these undocumented workers, who are the perfect worker, In the eyes of the corporate state, because they have no legal rights.
01:03:28.000When they don't have enough work, they sleep out literally under mango trees in Florida.
01:03:32.000And then we finally end with the Occupy Movement, which is, again, you know, with the title of the book, Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt.
01:03:40.000That first bubbling, I think, of consciousness Of revolt, of a recognition that we have undergone a corporate coup d'etat in slow motion and it's over.
01:03:52.000Citizens United probably nailed the last peg in the coffin and civil disobedience is, I think, all we have left.
01:04:00.000Now we're going to go to break here in a moment and come back and get into your case against the NDAA and all the amazing work you're engaged in, and just some of the signposts that we see showing that this, from my view, has been a conscious, RAND Corporation talked about it 15 years ago, construction of a system designed to implode the economy under a feudal system, as you said, using poverty as political
01:04:24.000Control because you can say what you want about America and what it's done the last hundred years But even in the 40 50 60s there was a plan to build up the third world and stuff now it is No, make everybody poor and have private cities the elites live in and it's such a evil Malthusian view I want to get your well-traveled expert view on this from your perspective and talk about the book and Straight ahead after this break, amazing interview coming up with Chris Hedges.
01:04:52.000Truthdig.com will tell you more about the book, Days of Destruction, Days of Revolt.
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01:08:57.000We've got an amazing guest joining us, Pulitzer Prize winning journalist who has covered, you name it, the Stasi, the Russians, and many tyrannies.
01:09:10.000He's been in high-level coverage of negotiations all over the Middle East, and he sued earlier this year over the NDAA that Obama signed on December 31st, when he thought no one was paying attention, 2011.
01:09:57.000And they say in here that it's low-level terrorism to protest and ask the court to keep him in jail because protesting is now illegal.
01:10:06.000We are seeing again the FBI caught with 12 million IDs of folks with Apple computers.
01:10:13.000Here joining us to break it down is Chris Hedges, who I don't really need to go over more of his bio here.
01:10:20.000Most people know who he is or should know who he is, but he joins us now.
01:10:27.000Chris, what is the state of the world in your view?
01:10:30.000Well, I think, you know, one of the things we have to be clear about is that the assault on civil liberties, which began under the Bush administration, has in fact been accelerated by the Obama administration.
01:10:42.000It's worse under Obama than under Bush when you tick off all the things that the Obama administration has done over the last four years.
01:10:54.000Interpretation of the 2001 Authorization to Use Military Force Act as giving the executive branch the right to assassinate American citizens, whatever you think of these figures, like Anwar al-Awlaki, the Yemeni cleric, And then, of course, his 16-year-old son, who was never accused of anything two weeks later,
01:11:13.000The FISA Amendment Act, which one of the plaintiffs will be heard in the Supreme Court on October 29th, which retroactively made legal, but under our Constitution has always been illegal, the warrantless wiretapping, monitoring, and eavesdropping of tens of millions Of American citizens who have done nothing, been charged with no crime, and we know that all of our personal information is now being stored out in supercomputers in Utah.
01:11:42.000The Obama administration has also employed six times the Espionage Act Which was never designed to ferret out whistleblowers as they are using it.
01:11:53.000These are people who have exposed war crimes in the case of the CIA official Sterling who purportedly leaked this information to Jim Risen at the New York Times.
01:12:05.000He's used it to essentially shut down Anything that counters the official government narrative.
01:12:12.000And I was an investigative reporter for the New York Times.
01:12:16.000I know many of the major investigative reporters.
01:12:18.000And they will tell you that at this point investigating anything the government does has become impossible.
01:12:25.000Even on background briefings will no longer be given because people are scared of being charged with the Espionage Act.
01:12:32.000officials have been charged, which, of course, brings with it prison time.
01:12:36.000And that just brings us to the National Defense Authorization Act, which, as you mentioned, Alex, was signed by the president on December 31st, New Year's Eve, of course, a moment when he thought we weren't looking.
01:12:49.000Now, the National Defense Authorization Act, Section 1021, authorizes the U.S. Constitution government, or more specifically, the executive branch, to condemn or label an American citizen a terrorist.
01:13:06.000And not only a terrorist, but in the language of that section, someone who has relationships with what they call associated forces, a term that's never defined.
01:13:16.000To use the military, this is contravening 200 years of domestic law, to detain these people, hold them in military facilities, strip them of due process, and if the military so determines, actually ship them.
01:13:31.000to offshore penal colonies like Guantanamo and other black sites around the world in the language of this section until the end of hostilities, whenever that is.
01:13:42.000In an age of permanent war, that's a very long time.
01:13:46.000We challenge that in federal and the Southern District Court of New York.
01:13:51.000Federal Judge Catherine Forrest issued a temporary injunction, in essence, invalidating that section of the NDAA.
01:14:04.000We had a final hearing at the beginning of August.
01:14:08.000And in which Judge Forrest will now determine whether that temporary injunction will become permanent.
01:14:15.000But we know how the Obama administration will respond if she invalidates that section of the NDA, which of course I think she should.
01:14:24.000They've already challenged the temporary injunction.
01:14:27.000They will clearly challenge the permanent injunction if she rules that it is unconstitutional, as it appears she will.
01:14:37.000That will take it to an appellate court.
01:14:38.000If they uphold the ruling, it will go to the Supreme Court.
01:14:41.000But all of this comes under the Obama administration.
01:14:43.000And my frustration with self-professed liberals is that, you know, they're entranced with the rhetoric of Obama and utterly ignore the facts, utterly ignore what he has done.
01:14:56.000Um, and, uh, and as you mentioned earlier, I think what we are seeing is, in essence, uh, a rewriting of the legal code to criminalize any form of legitimate dissent.
01:15:09.000And that's because, uh, the corporate state, corporate power understands very well what's coming, uh, both in terms of the environmental crisis and the economic crisis, uh, and they want the legal mechanisms, uh, to shut it down.
01:15:22.000You know, it's interesting that in the, uh, August, in the last hearing, In Judge Forrest's courtroom, she, as the judge, actually brought up the detention of 110,000 Japanese-Americans who, you know, because of their ethnicity, were sent to internment camps, again without any kind of legal recourse, and said that this section of the NDA essentially sets that precedent.
01:15:49.000We are now reaching the Alexander Sholtson-Eatson type moment, asking will we burn later in the camps, wishing we'd done something.
01:15:57.000And now, three months ago, the Army document came out for re-education centers.
01:16:01.000The Army admitted in a press release that our document was real, but that we shouldn't have it.
01:16:06.000And another public document for gun confiscation during crises.
01:16:35.000Because we've always had different corrupt elites and things, but there was still an understanding, even for the ultra wealthy and powerful, That you want checks and balances going back to Magna Carta because other elites can come in and rob you and that nobody wants to live in a society that's not free.
01:16:52.000I mean, free societies are more productive, they're happier, they're better.
01:16:57.000What has happened to the ruling class that they're going, I mean...
01:17:05.000I mean, this is... I mean, earlier in the shorter segment, I'd like you to recap that.
01:17:08.000You pointed out you've covered a lot of historical events that happened as they happened.
01:17:12.000This is one of the nastiest, most scientifically crafted, over-the-top... I mean, so many things that are in 1984 have now been surpassed.
01:17:22.000And now they're getting ready for the physical roundups.
01:17:25.000I don't think people understand, who haven't looked at history like you and others have, just how dark it is, is my point.
01:17:31.000Yeah, I mean, in the language of patriotism, these people are traitors.
01:17:35.000And that's the difference, as you point out, between the older ruling elite, and I come out of the working class, they were certainly no friends to working men and women, frankly, but they cared about the sustenance of the nation.
01:17:50.000It, in the language of business, is quite willing to harvest the nation.
01:17:53.000That's how you've seen manufacturing jobs shipped overseas, and you look at labor conditions in southern China where Apple products, I mean all sorts of products that we buy are made, and it's out of Dickinsonian England.
01:18:07.000You know, 70-hour work weeks, abusive conditions, you know, no labor protection, and what they tell now workers around the world.
01:18:17.000Is that in order to be competitive, they have to be competitive in essence with prison labor in China or sweatshop workers in Bangladesh who make 22 cents an hour.
01:18:28.000Exactly, where Foxcom that Apple uses while they're being lectured by Al Gore here domestically, they have to put suicide nets up.
01:18:36.000Yeah, you know, what happens is when they don't meet their quotas, and there's a good book by a Berkeley sociologist who's of Chinese origin, who went and wrote about it, wrote about these conditions, when they don't meet their quotas and they don't make the profits, there are workers who will work and actually not be paid.
01:18:55.000And at the end of the month, they will climb up to the roofs of these overcrowded dormitories and jump off and commit suicide.
01:19:05.000And that's the world that these corporations have created.
01:19:08.000And that's the difference between the old robber barons, the Rockefellers, the Mellons, the Carnegies, and the new robber barons, who are quite willing to sacrifice the nation, indeed are, for profit.
01:19:20.000When they do their speculative They're gambling on Wall Street, and their bubbles crash, they loot the U.S.
01:19:27.000Treasury, and then they make the rest of us pay for it through austerity programs.
01:19:31.000You see the same thing in Europe, because, of course, it's a global corporate movement.
01:19:36.000So that when Papandreou in Greece announces, OK, you want austerity, I'm going to put it to a referendum, he's gone within a week.
01:19:44.000And he's replaced with a banker technocrat that's, you know, that is essentially pliable and a puppet.
01:19:54.000Of the banks and of the corporate interest.
01:20:00.000And these essentially narrow, oligarchic corporate forces, we see it.
01:20:06.000They make all their money here and then they move overseas so they don't have to pay any taxes.
01:20:10.000Well, they're moving to armored redoubts on Pacific Islands and admitting they are, and they're bragging that they're converting us to a tyranny, and training the police that we're their enemy.
01:20:20.000I mean, this is a nightmare scenario, and the attitude is, Americans are uppity.
01:20:27.000We're going to bring you down, we're going to cut you down to size, while lecturing people who are on welfare, because they've destroyed the jobs base, while they are the biggest recipients of corporate welfare contracts, bailouts, and then in Europe, I've looked at the numbers, almost all the real debt is owed by the big zombie banks, and they've done this trick of convincing everyone that the Europeans are lazy, and now today they're reporting that they want Greeks to work six-day work weeks,
01:20:56.000And then most of the money is to be paid to the bankers that Greece is having to hand their islands over to.
01:21:05.000And, you know, they will... Corporations know only one word, and that's more.
01:21:12.000And they are going to push and push and push.
01:21:14.000You know, like all sort of elites that have unplugged themselves from the reality around them, they're woefully out of touch with what most Americans are undergoing.
01:21:24.000And it is always the ruling elites that finally determine the parameters and configurations of revolt and rebellion.
01:21:34.000And because they have not responded rationally, as the columnist Paul Krugman writes week after week, To both the economic and political crisis, it means that there will be a backlash.
01:21:45.000What exactly it will look like, how it will appear, when it will appear, I don't know.
01:21:50.000I've covered revolutions in Eastern Europe, uprisings in Palestine, the war in Yugoslavia, but I do know, especially having spent the last two years on this book, in the poorest pockets of the United States, without any question, that it's coming.
01:22:06.000And the establishment knows that and is making preparations for it, I think, to use that crisis as a pretext to grab even more power.
01:22:14.000If you expand on this out into the future, what type of world do you think the ultra-rich, who are obviously monopoly capitalists, what type of world are they planning on building?
01:22:29.000In essence, a kind of feudal system, where you have a tiny, filthy rich, oligarchic elite, a small sort of core of corporate managers, public relations people, in essence propagandists, and then the rest of us hanging on by our fingertips.
01:22:46.000And, you know, interestingly enough, this completely replicates the political and economic structure that Orwell painted in 1984 with Oceana, where you had an inner party of 2% to 4%, an outer party of about 12%, and the rest are what he calls proles.
01:23:03.000That's already, I mean, all you have to do is look out your window.
01:23:06.000You had a decaying infrastructure, closing schools, closing fire departments, you know, closing libraries, long-term unemployment and underemployment, coupled with, you know, this kind of constant sustenance of criminal enterprises.
01:23:25.000Goldman Sachs has bailed out every penny on the dollar by the American taxpayer, and now we give them, in essence, 0% interest loans so that they can gamble.
01:23:51.000Expanding on this, I went and saw Dinesh D'Souza's film, the 2016 Obama's America, and they were saying that Obama was anti-colonialist when really I see this as a new colonialism, where it's these mega-banks and mega-elites that are destroying the nation states that were the old cores of the empire, not just exploiting the third world.
01:24:17.000They brought the cancer home, but then they spin it that Obama is an anti-colonialist, and so that's why he's doing what he's doing.
01:24:37.000And, you know, just to go back to your point earlier about the militarization of police, you know, I think when you look at the war on, so-called war on drugs, you see that the portal, the way they entered it, so that if there's a night raid now in Oakland, You have Kevlar-plated command helicopters, command centers, people dressed in black, carrying M-16s.
01:25:02.000It looks no different from a night raid in Fallujah.
01:25:06.000And that's the point, that as the disintegration continues, the more brutal forms of control that are used on the outer reaches of Empire migrate back to the heart of Empire.
01:25:21.000And the mega-corporations then plan to even implode the old homelands and then just have a giant squalor that they rule over from private, heavily-armed redoubts and cities.
01:25:34.000And that's now even their admitted plan, the Rand Corporation is saying.
01:25:40.000It sounds like something the devil would come up with.
01:25:43.000Yeah, and you have corporations like Bechtel buying up all the clean water.
01:25:48.000In Chile and other places because they know that pretty soon water, you know, water for most of us will be contaminated.
01:25:55.000We'll have to pay for it, just like everything else.
01:25:58.000Yeah, I mean, they, you know, if you sit down inside the NSA or any other, their sort of analysis of where we're going is not going to be much different from yours or mine.
01:26:08.000It just doesn't make it out into the mainstream.
01:26:12.000They've got British Ministry of Defense reports, Pentagon reports, admitting a hellish world, and then if I cover it, the media calls it pessimism porn.
01:26:22.000Won't this be the defining moment when your case goes to the Supreme Court if they don't uphold the Constitution?
01:26:29.000I mean, this will be overthrowing Magna Carta, habeas corpus.
01:26:32.000I mean, this is probably one of the biggest cases ever.
01:26:35.000What is it like to be at the center of this?
01:26:38.000It's sort of bizarre in a sense because I agree with you.
01:26:43.000And the judge agrees with us that this is just this amazing attempt to essentially strip us of the rule of law, due process, and yet it doesn't get covered.
01:26:54.000It doesn't get covered because both the Republicans and the Democrats are essentially beholden to corporate power and the security and surveillance state.
01:27:02.000I mean, this was a bipartisan effort, sponsored by Carl Levin and John McCain.
01:27:08.000And so because the media won't step outside these very narrow parameters, which essentially stretch from A to B, that's what stunned me the most, how egregious the assault is, how naked the assault is, and how it's virtually uncovered.
01:27:25.000I mean, the New York Times did write a good editorial about it after the temporary injunction was issued, But, you know, if you look on the airwaves, it doesn't exist.
01:27:35.000And yet you have all these people sort of shouting about the Constitution and civil liberties and here, in an incredibly overt attempt to take away our right to trial, is silence.
01:27:54.000And now, I see a lot of conservatives going along with this, when the government's now said, don't worry about Al-Qaeda, we're going to use them and others to take down Syria and Libyan places.
01:28:04.000The new enemy is domestic threats, and they're out, like they've done with Muslims, provocateuring militia groups in Michigan and things, trying to get some type of civil war going so they can now target the American people as the enemy.
01:28:22.000You know, the American conservative just ran a long article called In Defense of Bradley Manning, raising precisely these points.
01:28:32.000And that's why I think that, you know, the political theater of the Republicans and the Democrats, you know, is really a kind of mass, money-drenched spectacle that diverts us from debating issues that I don't think, you know, really, you know, for anybody who cares about the rule of law and the democratic state, no matter what your political opinion is, there should be any divide for anybody who cares about the rule of law and the democratic state, Well, that's right.
01:29:23.000I will read it because, let me tell you, when I see Chris Hedges' videos online, he's focused, he knows what he's talking about, he's articulate.
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01:34:06.000But I wanted him to go over basically what the book covers because earlier he started mentioning that it's a reservation program and I've interviewed a lot of Native Americans who've gone over the history and they point out that Indian policy became what Hitler used.
01:34:21.000And I'd actually read that in Hitler's own writings that he used that model of the concentration camp off the reservation.
01:34:28.000The company store that keeps control of the people, keeps them in poverty, their life expectancy, and that that's the whole model now of this corporate state.
01:34:38.000Get rid of your jobs and then give you a pittance to barely even keep you at subsistence.
01:35:20.000They make self-sufficiency impossible and create this kind of culture of dependence.
01:35:27.000Uh, which destroys dignity, self-worth, uh, community, uh, with all of the attendant problems.
01:35:34.000That's why you have an 80% estimated, 80% alcoholism rate on Pine Ridge.
01:35:40.000Uh, and everywhere we went, whether it was Camden, whether it was, uh, Southern West Virginia, where people are taking OxyContin, what they call Hillbilly Heroin, uh, you know, they The sort of drugs and the alcohol anesthetize people to the kind of pain and the suffering to which they have been reduced.
01:36:01.000And I think the reservation model is, in fact, one that we spend a lot of time reporting on and looking at for precisely that reason.
01:36:11.000You know, when you reduce people to a level of desperation, it becomes far easier to control them.
01:36:20.000I mean, you know, just all sorts of, just in the last few weeks, the refusal to restore unemployment benefits for hundreds of thousands of Americans, which means tens of thousands of these people will eventually lose their homes, a number now over six million.
01:36:38.000You know, there's just, Obamacare is another example.
01:36:43.000It's a corporate, essentially the equivalent of a bank bailout bill for the pharmaceutical And I've got to interrupt.
01:36:48.000industry is $477 billion in subsidies.
01:36:53.000And of course, they can keep, as anyone such as myself knows who doesn't have a company plan, keep jacking up co-payments and premiums.
01:37:01.000See, you're the only scholar out there on the so-called left, but you're just a human who wants freedom, who's honest that the insurance companies wrote it.
01:37:08.000And then the right wing gives Obama cover and goes, how dare you want to make us commies when the whole thing was written to let corporations control the quality of care, make you buy their product and jack up the price.
01:37:48.000And that is a kind of window into the kind of false debates that go back and forth because both of these two political parties, you know, are slavishly devoted to corporate interests.
01:38:01.000Obamacare is essentially forcing us to buy defective Corporate product, a for-profit product.
01:38:17.000I think it's just this understanding that the formal mechanisms of power are not going to Defend civil liberties or our interests or institute the kinds of reforms that will bring back the kind of egalitarian society that I think we all want.
01:38:34.000That now resistance has to come outside those formal mechanisms of power.
01:38:39.000That means acts of civil disobedience.
01:38:41.000I was arrested with Occupy protesters in front of Goldman Sachs.
01:38:47.000I don't think we have any option left.
01:38:53.000And I'm not naive enough to even promise you that it will work.
01:38:58.000But I can tell you that the system is so corrupt.
01:39:01.000You know, you take New York City Police and you look closely, most of the egregious assaults against protesters were carried out by the white-shirted officers who were earning about $110,000 a year.
01:39:13.000There was a lot of fraternization with the blue uniform police because these corporations hire them, like Goldman Sachs and Citibank, as rent-a-cops for private security for $37 an hour in their off time so they can, you know, make some money.
01:39:28.000Well, Goldman Sachs gave him, what was it, some giant amount of money the week before as a pure gift right to the police, a public bribe.
01:39:40.000I mean, and I think, you know, when I cover the fall of East Germany, what happens is when the foot soldiers are no longer willing to defend the elite, you know, when Erich Honecker, the dictator in East Germany, sent down an elite paratroop division to Leipzig, where I was, and they wouldn't fire on the crowd, Honecker lasted another week in power.
01:39:58.000And I think that, you know, in fact, Well, part of the reason, I'm guessing, that the NDAA was pushed through, I think, is because there's a kind of fear among these corporate oligarchs that the police won't protect them.
01:40:13.000Well, that's one of my final questions here.
01:40:16.000I want to know what else is in the book so people will definitely get it because your ideas are right on from my own research but so well laid out.
01:40:25.000I'll guarantee you that if things continue to implode, the people they know that aren't going to shut up and go along are people like Chris Hedges, people like Alex Jones, people that they know are controlled by conscience.
01:40:38.000Not because I'm some goody-two-shoes, but because I don't want to live in a fascist state.
01:40:42.000I mean, I want my children to have a future, and they're really trying to set the precedent For this as they force people into a revolt kind of arresting and which they admit scooping up people that they see as leaders.
01:40:57.000Yeah, I mean, I think that once you create that legal mechanism that essentially permits or gives to the state that kind of power, then you're in really serious trouble.
01:41:07.000They use it on marginal elements within the society first, Muslims, black bloc anarchists, whatever, militia members, but you don't want to give them that kind of legal power, which unfortunately we've already done, because they use the sort of fringe elements What about geopolitically?
01:41:27.000that kind of power, and then they turn it on the rest of us.
01:41:40.000It seems like the world is kind of waking up to the fact that the United States has been seized by very evil forces.
01:41:47.000Yeah, I mean, you know, I was quite an opponent of the invasion of Iraq on that issue.
01:41:52.000And I had been the Middle East bureau chief of the New York Times because, you know, it was not only, you know, a tactical blunder, but probably one of the most strategic blunders we made, in essence, throwing the balance of power to Iran,
01:42:09.000Yeah, I think that, unfortunately, you know, we don't have a lot of friends left because of, I think, very misguided imperial projects that, again, of course, I mean, the war in Afghanistan, which, let's be frank, we're losing, you know, there are a handful of corporations, Halliburton and Raytheon and on and on and on, for whom they make money in all wars.
01:42:36.000Could the Anglo-American establishment kind of stall and not have a Merlin Wall moment, but just kind of collapse like the Soviet Union?
01:42:59.000These are questions that I ask all the time, but I don't have a definitive answer.
01:43:04.000Well, I think they're going to try to go Hitler crazy and launch a bunch of wars that are so bad, everybody kind of lines up because we're in so much trouble.
01:43:12.000Well, yeah, the government's corrupt, but we're fighting Russia and China now, so let's line up.
01:43:19.000I think the elite are that crazy, and the way they're digging in, the way they're getting everything ready, looks like they're gearing up for World War III at a scale much bigger than the Cold War.
01:43:30.000The COG, the armored pillboxes, the weapons caching, studying history, Chris, in closing.
01:43:37.000I'm not just trying to be a fearmonger here, I'm scared.
01:43:39.000I mean, I've studied history, I'm a history buff, and they're digging in for what looks like not just a war with the people, but a war with everybody else.
01:43:47.000Well, you know, that's as Randolph Warren said.
01:43:50.000In World War I, he said war is the health of the state, by which he meant that when the state declares war, you know, you're right.
01:43:58.000Everybody lines up behind it, you know, in the name of patriotism and everything else, and it isn't a very effective measure, as it was in World War I, to essentially crush any form of dissent.
01:44:10.000I mean, history has shown that to be a very effective tactic for despotic states to channel energy And rage and mute internal dissent by creating an internal enemy and going after it.
01:44:46.000And I think one of the reasons I found him so important in the book, 50 pages of illustrations, as well as comic panels sort of profiling people's lives, is that so many of these Americans by the corporate media have been rendered invisible.
01:45:01.000And I think one of the goals of the book was to make them visible, and Sacco did that, gave the book a kind of punch that pure prose wouldn't have had.
01:45:27.000I mean, looking into that crystal ball, what's our odds?
01:45:30.000I think it looks pretty bleak, but I don't think we can use the word hope unless we actively resist every way possible, which is why I was in protest outside Goldman Sachs, why I sued Barack Obama and Leon Panetta over the NDAA.
01:45:48.000I think it's a kind of moral imperative to resist, but at the same time, a very sort of sober view, it doesn't look great.
01:47:27.000And, you know, Obama is not anti-colonialist.
01:47:30.000Colonialism became what you call globalist.
01:47:34.000And then the right-wing packages anti-colonialist as communist when the communists are actually running their own form of collectivist colonialism that then implodes and is taken over by the bankers.
01:47:44.000I mean, we're facing such a sophisticated situation.
01:47:47.000People say, well, are you for Occupy or against it?
01:47:49.000The globalists talked about Occupy because their computers We're able to predict that there would be flare-ups at that moment against the banks, and that people knew that the banker bailouts were a corporate transference of wealth from the people to the elite.
01:48:51.000And what people don't get is, well, I don't care if I'm in a police state, I want cops and guys with machine guns on every corner, because it's for Al Qaeda.
01:48:58.000But see, it's not for Al Qaeda now, it's for you.
01:49:02.000And it's because they're planning to take your bank account.
01:49:05.000They're planning to devalue your dollar.
01:49:07.000They're planning to take your pension fund.
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01:56:08.000But for you, the danger is in going along with it.
01:56:12.000I mean, if I was a cop and there was somebody filming me down the street at, you know, at something I was doing, I wouldn't run over and arrest them.
01:56:44.000That's what's, it's all of the RAND Corporation public documents.
01:56:47.000I remember reading RAND Corporation stuff in 98-99 where there will soon be a giant terror attack and we will radically re-engineer America.
02:01:32.000I mean, I'm getting to the point of, like, having to have the realization to sell everything I got and get out of this country before they won't let me leave.
02:01:40.000And they're gearing up with that, where you can't leave the country, the government says, and all this crud.
02:01:47.000But I don't want to be one of the idiots that stays behind and then gets arrested by these trash, these criminal bank robbers that have hijacked our country.
02:02:00.000Some of the headlines at Infowars.com.
02:02:04.000If passengers don't like how you look, they take you off as a terrorist now.
02:02:08.000American Airlines disallows boarding of 16-year-old with Down syndrome.
02:02:14.000Don Salazar wrote that for Infowars.com.
02:02:18.000Yet another DHS worker files a discrimination lawsuit against Big Sis and the women being accused are resigning.
02:02:24.000All the little special friends, the little The little lap dogs of Janet.
02:02:31.000Can you just see Janet in a latex Catwoman suit?
02:04:01.000It's like in the opening scene of, uh, 2001 Space Odyssey, where the, uh, animals aren't yet, you know, being hunted by man, so they're not afraid of man.
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02:08:23.000You're listening to the Alex Jones Show.
02:08:29.000All right, for the next 40 minutes or so, Dr. Stallman's going to join us.
02:08:32.000Then I'm going to get some into the fact that these accused Homeland Security perverts are now resigning, which shows there's a lot of evidence pointing to this.
02:08:43.000And my point is, why would you have all this power and then want to sexually abuse people and, you know, get in their face and things and dominate them?
02:08:51.000Same reason the TSA wants to see if Osama bin Laden's in your underwear.
02:09:15.000Again, yet another DHS worker files discrimination lawsuit against Big Sis.
02:09:19.000Audit of New York Federal Reserve technocrat.
02:09:22.000Creation and cover-up of global financial crash, big news there at PrisonPlanet.com.
02:09:28.000Establishment launches straw man over government bullet purchases, focuses on 174,000 bullets that we mentioned instead of the 1.4 billion.
02:09:39.000We've had AP, Washington Post all attack us.
02:09:44.000Just that really got them upset that we've realized they're buying armored vehicles and all this stuff against the American people.
02:09:49.000So we're going to be breaking all of that down as well.
02:09:53.000Now joining us to really give us his perspective on what's happening is Dr. Richard Stallman is a software developer and software freedom activist.
02:10:01.000He developed GNU that's the basis of so many of the systems out there today.
02:10:05.000He graduated from Harvard in 74 with a BA in physics and has received many awards, doctrines, and professorships from his extensive work.
02:10:11.000In January 84, he resigned from MIT to start the GNU operating system meant to be entirely free software.
02:10:20.000And he has been the project's leader ever since.
02:10:22.000And I'm not going to read his whole bio.
02:10:25.000Most people know who he is if they have any type of brain problem.
02:10:28.000But Stallman.org is one of the websites and he fights against the overuse of copyright as a tyranny.
02:10:37.000I mean, to use my own word, he can correct me if I'm wrong, but the reason I wanted to get him on today is I remember Dr. Stallman When I was just getting on the internet 15, 16 years ago, warning that they're building back doors and things.
02:10:50.000It also screws up how the software works.
02:10:52.000That's why you want the open software.
02:10:55.000And he's like, they're tracking you, they're listening to you.
02:10:59.000And then now it's just Google's cars, admittedly.
02:11:02.000Driving around with NSA contracts, hacking your computer, stealing your passcodes, totally illegal, they don't get in trouble.
02:11:09.000The FBI's been caught over and over again, it's in the telecommunications acts.
02:11:12.000They've got all the access codes to the iPhones, the droids, and now they're denying it even though they've been caught.
02:11:18.000You've just got a total 1984 society with the smart meters now interfacing with hardwired tech in the dishwashers, the clothes washers, the clock radios.
02:11:30.000They're making you pay for the tech as part of your purchase.
02:11:34.000Again, first guy I heard talk about that was Dr. Stallman.
02:11:39.000And so, I mean, how far does it go when the CIA director, since the last time Dr. Stallman was on, probably six months ago, has now come out at a public conference at In-Q-Tel, at a CIA funding conference, and says, yeah, we're using everything to listen to you.
02:12:10.000I should point out, though, that I never talk about making software, quote, open, unquote, because that's the term used by the people... I know, you're the expert.
02:12:27.000With software, either the users control the program, or the program controls the users.
02:12:32.000With free software, the users control the program, and that way we've got a chance of making sure it does what we want it to do, and not the other things we don't want it to do.
02:12:42.000With proprietary software, it's the program that controls the users, and the users typically can't change it, and they can't figure out what it's doing.
02:12:51.000And backdoors and other malicious features are known in many widely used proprietary programs.
02:13:00.000For instance, there's Microsoft Windows.
02:13:02.000It has known surveillance features that people have detected over the years.
02:13:08.000They're not easy to see, but people have encountered them.
02:13:11.000And it has features specifically to restrict what users can do.
02:13:16.000These are known as digital handcuffs, or DRM.
02:13:22.000Now, there's one backdoor in Windows that was explicitly made for the police, although I usually prefer to call them the thugs.
02:13:31.000And it's designed to let them make... write a program on a pen drive, and when they stick that pen drive into the machine, it takes control.
02:13:55.000It means that Microsoft, using that backdoor, can do absolutely anything to a machine running Windows.
02:14:03.000Any malicious feature that is not present in Windows today could be remotely installed.
02:14:10.000It might be there tomorrow or next week.
02:14:13.000So basically, Windows has zero security.
02:14:19.000People know that Windows has weak security, but they're actually looking at only half the situation when they say that.
02:14:25.000They're thinking about security against unknown third parties.
02:14:29.000But what about the security against Microsoft, or anyone that has Microsoft's cooperation?
02:14:36.000Well, in that case, given that Microsoft can remotely install software changes, the extent of Windows security against Microsoft or Microsoft Friends is zero.
02:14:50.000Now, if we look at the iThings, we see that they have malicious features too.
02:14:58.000Two different spy features were found, and then they were removed, but there could be more.
02:15:05.000And the digital handcuffs of the iThings are the nastiest ever, because Apple pioneered the practice of censoring applications, of restricting what users can install into their computers.
02:15:23.000And there's also a backdoor that allows remote deletion of applications that are installed.
02:15:29.000And then if we look at Android, well, a large part of Android is in a theoretical sense, somehow, free software, but in practice it's not.
02:15:39.000An Android market is proprietary software which censors applications and has backdoors.
02:15:49.000You've got non-free software with malicious features almost anywhere you look.
02:16:06.000So this demonstrates, by the way, that it doesn't really make any difference if the program is gratis.
02:16:12.000Flash Player, after all, is available at zero price.
02:16:16.000Dr. Stallman, couldn't we just interrupt for a moment?
02:16:19.000Isn't it moral to demand a law for consumers where you can either get the iPhone with all the spy tech or without?
02:16:29.000Of course, one without would be probably half the price from some of the numbers I've seen to where it's so immoral to not tell consumers they're being paid, they're paying for mandated Globally, and by regional governments, mandated spy tech and then you're never even being told.
02:16:48.000You know, they would charge more if they couldn't spy on you because the information they get is valuable.
02:16:55.000But in fact, you wouldn't be able to make it work without the spy technology because It's not as if they say, alright, here's the stuff that users are going to really use, and here's the other components that are there just to spy.
02:17:09.000No, it's the same components that are doing all the things.
02:17:13.000And so, the only way they could remove the spying is if they somehow decided to be ethical.
02:17:23.000And then how could you trust it anyway?
02:17:25.000If the users don't have the source code, if the users can't build and run their own version, you can never tell whether it's spy or not.
02:18:58.000The Telecommunications Act of 96 mandated the GPS triangulation in all the phones be ubiquitous by October 1st, 2001.
02:19:09.000And they gave them, I think it was $10 billion to do it.
02:19:12.000And yeah, what they do is they go in and set standards on these systems that then they have the companies later give them the codes to.
02:19:20.000It's kind of like I was told Yes, it's required for phones to have GPS in them.
02:19:27.000There was a free software cell phone made in which the... whether to transmit any information from GPS is under the control of the user's free software.
02:19:40.000And the user really can say, no, I don't want you sending out any GPS coordinates.
02:19:45.000However, the problem is the triangulation and GPS are different.
02:19:50.000GPS is where the phone figures out satellites where it is, and then transmits that data to the phone.
02:19:57.000Via triangulation, giving the thing via the GPS locations of the towers.
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02:24:43.000And also, you wanted to elaborate on a law that they've got to tell you about spy software that you're being forced to purchase that's been added onto the product.
02:24:53.000It's washing machines, it's in everything now.
02:24:56.000Let's hit that first and then get into GNU.
02:25:01.000I don't know to what extent current things like washing machines have that surveillance capability in them.
02:25:12.000I've been trying for a few years to get people concerned about smart meters and their potential, their gratuitous potential for surveillance.
02:25:24.000I'm pretty sure that most of the potential electric savings could be achieved if the system simply informs your computers about when are the times that electricity is particularly scarce and raises the price for that period of time and that way most people will choose to have their refrigerators not cool for that hour.
02:25:53.000And they won't have to tell anybody that they're doing so, they'll just use less electricity when it's expensive, and they'll pay less.
02:26:01.000Sure, well just to be clear then, because I do focus on the consumer side, I know you're more into the deep guts of it all, but I can give you more examples if you'd like, but almost all the new washers, dryers, and the CIHC brags about this, the new clock radios, under mandates, they're wired in with takeover switches to give you announcements, They've got wireless systems that they admit are interfacing with the wireless meter readers.
02:26:27.000California says, oh yeah, we are going to start dialing in and turning things down or off during power, you know, problems.
02:26:36.000legitimate goal, which is to reduce the peak electricity demand, there's no need to do the surveillance.
02:26:42.000They could have somewhat different smart meter systems where they can't spy on you and they can't take control, but they do cause you to pay more for electricity, maybe even 10 times more they could when it's really in too high demand.
02:26:58.000And most people would then voluntarily set their certain appliances not to run during the time.
02:27:49.000My main concern with the TSA is that they check for things other than Oh yeah, now they're downloading people's laptops and cell phones, as you just said.
02:28:02.000I think everyone should have proctology exams.
02:28:04.000I think that in order for the TSA to be constitutional, they should not be allowed to take notice of anything other than a weapon that threatens the safety of the flight.
02:28:42.000Well, basically GNU is an operating system.
02:28:46.000It's an operating system designed to be entirely free software.
02:28:50.000That is, entirely software that the users control, no software that controls the users.
02:28:56.000And lots of people use GNU, but they don't know it, because they think that it's Linux.
02:29:00.000Do you hear people talking about using Linux?
02:29:03.000Well, it's really the GNU system, together with a program called Linux, which is one component of the system as we use it today.
02:29:11.000So a fair name for this combination would be GNU plus Linux.
02:29:16.000The GNU contribution is bigger but we can share credit with Mr. Torvalds also for the component Linux which he wrote in 1991 and 2 and so on.
02:29:26.000So in fact lots of people use I tell you what, tell us more about GNU.
02:33:33.000We're going to define free versus open versus gratis all here in just a moment and then get into cyborgs and more.
02:33:40.000But first off, I've done two and a half hours here of transmission so far and haven't really plugged anything.
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02:35:19.000Finish up on your point about what your software is and then You're explaining to me the semantical manipulations here, why it's so important.
02:35:53.000Unfortunately, most of them include some non-free software, so I can't recommend them.
02:35:57.000But you can find out more in gnu.org slash distros.
02:36:02.000That's where we talk about which distros are free and which ones are not, and why they're not.
02:36:08.000In any case, when I first started talking about free software in 1983, I wasn't aware of the confusion in my own ideas due to the two meanings of the word free.
02:36:21.000After all, free means zero price, but it also means that you have freedom.
02:36:26.000Well, after a few years, I figured out I had to explicitly separate these two meanings.
02:36:32.000So, I started saying it's free as in freedom.
02:36:36.000Sometimes I say it's libre, using a Spanish word that's clear.
02:36:42.000But then a few years ago, I also realized that whenever I want to talk about zero price, to avoid confusion, I should say gratis.
02:36:52.000After all, everyone knows gratis means zero price.
02:38:20.000Partly because most users don't know how to program.
02:38:22.000They don't know how to study and change source code.
02:38:25.000But even if you know how, you use so many programs you couldn't possibly have time to work on them all yourself, even if you're a great programmer.
02:39:08.000So that's what free software means, precisely.
02:39:12.000It means that the users have freedom as they ought.
02:39:15.000And you've already basically defined the opposite of that, which is proprietary.
02:39:20.000Explain then what the confusion is when they use the word open.
02:39:24.000Well, in 1998, There was a political disagreement within the free software community, which had existed for many years.
02:39:35.000There were those of us who thought of this in ethical terms, as a fight for freedom, people like me.
02:39:41.000And then there were the people who appreciated the software and contributed to it, but they only appreciated it for practical benefits.
02:39:50.000And they didn't want to present this in terms of right and wrong.
02:39:54.000And in 1998, they coined the term open source as a way to talk about the field and the software without ever saying free.
02:40:04.000And nowadays, if you look around, you'll see that the term open source is usually associated with a purely practical approach to the issue, one that's not idealistic, one that doesn't raise it as an issue of justice versus injustice.
02:40:20.000Well, we talked about this... Sure, we talked about this last time you were on.
02:40:23.000You know, I'm a multimedia operation to get my information, which is more freedom, out to people from my perspective.
02:40:31.000And so many times we end up using free or then other softwares that they call open, but a lot of times it is free.
02:40:37.000Because the other stuff that's offered by industry, it's not just that it's more expensive, it doesn't work because it's so chock full of spy gadgets.
02:40:47.000I mean, I told you this example last time you wanted to send you some examples.
02:40:55.000Televisions now, or when you buy systems and we're trying to run our own video we've produced over these monitors, we have to go through all sorts of gesticulations because it's got copyright coding on it to try to stop things from playing over it unless it's already coded.
02:41:16.000You don't think I'd ever play something that I produced over this?
02:41:20.000The point is, It's riddled with these little crud things, and so if it wasn't for free software, we wouldn't be able to get a lot of what we, you know, do done.
02:42:48.000I won't have a cable set up because the cable box is full of proprietary software that they can upgrade and that is designed to restrict you.
02:43:33.000And the reason, but the point is, people can easily see that the malicious features are an injustice.
02:43:40.000My point is, the injustice starts deeper down.
02:43:43.000It starts when they get the power to control what the software Alright, I want to talk about cyborgs, but what is your overview of this human brain chip interface that you've been researching and give us your take on that.
02:43:56.000But, Dr. Stallman, the general shape of the web, cyber security, internet censorship, internet IDs, internet taxes, clearly the power structure is moving towards a darkening web.
02:44:13.000We're moving towards a kind of Information, computing-enabled tyranny, a surveillance state that's worse than 1984.
02:44:25.000I often describe portable phones as Stalin's dream, because Stalin would have loved to surveil people as much as portable phones do, but he couldn't.
02:44:41.000Yeah, it tracks everywhere you're going, Google admits they can...
02:44:46.000They can, they can track where you're, they know what restaurants you're looking up, what movie you're gonna go see.
02:44:51.000I mean, it's literally like a guardian devil following you around.
02:45:19.000Well actually I use a shared computer which I log in on occasionally to do various such things but mostly they're used by other people so they can't be connected with me and uh... and you know and I have it delete all cookies at the end of the session so it can't track me long-term that way I mean what I'm doing with those machines is not a particularly secret thing
02:45:47.000Still, it's just the exercise that... I mean, it's not particularly secret when I go and close the door and go to the bathroom, but I don't want to live in a glass house.
02:46:27.000Wow, let's get into these brain-chip interfaces.
02:46:32.000It's a labyrinth of good things, but the problem is all of it being rolled out from day one is proprietary and run by these control freaks.
02:46:42.000Yeah, well, basically what the recent study showing that they can get information about people by using these commercial brain-computer interfaces demonstrates that if you use one, you're placing a lot of trust in whatever software is running it.
02:47:00.000And the only way software can deserve that kind of trust is if it's free software.
02:47:07.000This is yet another example of how, if you use non-free software, you're a sucker and they're white people.
02:47:15.000Yeah, it's like watching mainstream television.
02:47:34.000Yeah, well, people have got to realize that Perfect safety against any threat doesn't exist, and that going to desperate lengths and sacrificing an essential freedom for a little bit more Temporary security is a mistaken goal.
02:47:53.000can go well it creates the great threat of guys pull the Eisenhower quote the president Eisenhower said if you want safety go to prison course you're not really even safe there he went on to add I mean the great threat is those that say give up your rights will protect you yep so is there any way to turn this around I don't know I mean I don't know anything I could do that would turn it If I knew something, I'd be doing it.
02:48:19.000All I know how to do is try to spread the word and push wherever I get a chance.
02:48:25.000You talk to, I know, a lot of fellow tech elites out there.
02:48:29.000I know you don't want to be called that, but you're highly respected.
02:48:31.000I know you go to these conferences and things and rub shoulders.
02:48:34.000People like Bill Joy have said, hey, what we're building is dangerous 12 years ago in his Wired Magazine piece, Why the Future Doesn't Need Us.
02:48:42.000I mean, do the elites think they're not going to get caught?
02:48:47.000I don't know that many people who would call themselves elite.
02:48:52.000I tend to know activists, not... Okay, my question is, what has the establishment's got to know that the trap they've built, they're going to end up falling into it?
02:49:10.000Yeah, I've actually talked to rocket scientists, billionaires, and they're like, they're smart at one level, but they don't get the bigger picture.
02:49:21.000In any case, they probably have so many interests at stake in continuing down the path they're on that they prefer not to worry about how it might bite them someday.
02:49:33.000Yeah, it's kind of like let them eat cake Marie Antoinette.
02:49:39.000I don't think that they're quite analogous.
02:49:41.000But basically, they're so concerned with what they know they have to do for success in their careers that they disregard how that might affect their own freedom.
02:49:55.000Yeah, but I mean I think that is kind of leads to the disconnect of Marie Antoinette where she didn't understand what the policies were doing outside the palace.
02:50:05.000I do think the ruling class... She was safe from them.
02:50:08.000Barring a revolution, she knew that she was never going to go hungry.
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02:54:33.000That's what they're already doing covertly.
02:54:36.000But now they got a big article up at Infowars.com out of Reuters admitting the exact chemtrailing we claim they were doing, but saying they're planning it in the future with $5 billion.
02:54:48.000Dr. Richard Stallman, stallman.org, gnu.org is our guest.
02:54:52.000Here we got about five, six minutes left.
02:54:54.000We were talking during the break about You know, how to use search engines without being tracked.
02:54:59.000Startpage.com, I think is pretty good, but again, it's not that you're bad, it's that they're spying on you and creating an algorithm on you.
02:55:06.000I mean, do you go to just a psychologist randomly and tell them everything about you so they can share it with the government?
02:55:11.000That's what's happening when you're on this.
02:55:13.000They're using it for nefarious purposes.
02:55:16.000But getting back to, yeah, this hoax that, oh, see, Bruce Willis doesn't want his stuff willed.
02:55:21.000And then Apple saying, yeah, you don't own the songs you paid for.
02:55:26.000I mean, and then everything's up on the cloud.
02:55:33.000That my voice is copyrighted now to erase my videos off YouTube, and I've never signed a deal with anybody to say that.
02:55:38.000And when I complain to YouTube, they put a strike against our account for daring to complain.
02:55:43.000And then now the guy that does the Transformers voice, when he does interviews with school kids, they knock the video down saying his voice is copyrighted.
02:55:51.000When I have Joe Rogan on, they take the videos down saying they're copyrighted, even though Joe never agreed to any of that.
02:55:57.000So I meant to ask you about all those points.
02:56:00.000Ah, well, I don't put anything on YouTube, because I can't watch YouTube.
02:56:07.000It requires that you run non-free software one way or another.
02:56:11.000Since I won't run the non-free software, I can't see YouTube.
02:56:14.000No, no, but what about, I understand with you, but I mean the fact that they can, in the cloud, erase all the books they want, 1984, they could erase your voice.
02:56:32.000Uh, well, I don't like to use the term, the cloud, because it's a nebulous term.
02:56:38.000Right now, you're using it for one particular kind of service, and I know what you mean, but other people use the same term to mean other things, and people don't realize that these are several different things being called by one name, so I never use that term.
02:56:53.000You're putting your stuff in somebody else's server under their rules.
02:57:47.000But then, this just shows how, once they've got this non-free software, that they use that to exercise more control of you.
02:57:59.000You shouldn't let them get the first level of control over you, and you shouldn't buy anything in digital form unless it gives you the same freedoms as a printed book or a CD or an LP record.
02:58:16.000If you look at stallman.org slash ebooks.pdf, you'll see this issue for ebooks.
02:58:22.000Most commercial ebooks are fundamentally unethical in three ways.
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02:59:58.000Casting Network Fix Bayonets We are now entering overdrive, with your host, Alex Jones broadcasting live from the front lines.
03:00:21.000If you are receiving this transmission, you are the resistance.
03:00:27.000That's right, and earlier in the broadcast, it'll be coming up in retransmission, we had New York Times journalist, foreign editor, Middle East editor, Pulitzer Prize winner Chris Hedges on saying, the ultimate tyranny is upon us.
03:00:42.000We have Dr. Richard Stallman, the creator of pretty much the free software movement, GNU.org.
03:00:48.000We're doing a little bit of overdrive with him right now.
03:00:50.000Sir, you were trying to finish up how we deal with The digital handcuffs, you know, how bad iTunes is, how bad it is that Kindle last year, as you know, erased thousands of books that people paid for, including 1984.
03:01:06.000And then now they've been caught in price fixing and things to try to bankrupt the print media.
03:01:12.000That's why I've come out with a print once-a-month newspaper with our web stories and some exclusive stuff.
03:01:18.000By the way, folks, we have a few extra copies of that.
03:01:27.000That warehouse isn't here, so that's available at Infowarshop.com, but they're almost all gone if you want that first September issue.
03:01:33.000But going back to Mr. Stallman, finishing up your point, Doctor, about You know, how to mitigate this tyranny and how to have a revolution against it.
03:01:43.000Because what you and others are doing, from my layman perspective, is one of the real revolutions against this technocracy.
03:02:24.000And then there's the freedom to give a book to someone else after you read it, or to lend it to people after you read it, or to sell it to someone else.
03:02:34.000They take those away with digital handcuffs, and then there's a freedom to keep the book as long as you wish, which they took away with that back door.
03:02:42.000Well, for any one of these reasons, it's unacceptable.
03:02:46.000And the competitors to the swindle are not quite as bad, but they're still mostly as bad.
03:02:55.000So in order for an e-book to be legitimate and ethical, It has to be possible to buy it anonymously, it must not make you sign any contract so that you get the same rights you would get with a printed book, and it must not come in a secret format designed to make you... You have to be able to share it, so you just get a digital form that you can share, because you bought it, it's your physical property.
03:05:02.000A little over a year ago, I began to do a lot of research into why, even though I had a pretty good-sized meal, I was talking about the power grid and just how vulnerable it is.
03:05:11.000That's in the mainstream news every day.