Alex Jones is taking a much-needed vacation, and Kathryn Albrecht is filling in for him while he recuperates in Austin, Texas. She talks about Dennis Rodman's recent trip to North Korea, and why it's one of the most horrifying places on the globe.
00:01:14.000No matter what else you want to say, I mean, you've got to, in some ways, you've got to kind of stand back and go, you know, it is kind of impressive, I suppose, that North Korea has managed to maintain its position sort of outside of the circle of U.S.
00:01:26.000influence, but it's done so in such a horrific way for its people that you've really got to kind of have a shudder go down your spine when you think about that country.
00:01:36.000If you think about all of the worst regimes of history, and then you kind of multiply them all together and stick them into the 21st century, but I guess make it seem as though the people were living 100 years before, then you've got North Korea.
00:01:53.000Absolutely horrific communist dictator.
00:01:56.000One of the few remaining places on earth that still hasn't quite figured out that full-scale communism leads to starvation and misery on the part of people.
00:02:05.000Or if they have figured it out, I guess they don't care.
00:02:08.000But North Korea is really, you know, when you think about like Burma, I mean, there are some places on the globe you just go, ew!
00:02:34.000Are they geriatrically bouncing basketballs in their seventies now?
00:02:38.000I don't know, but they headed with Dennis Rodman Off to North Korea, behind what I think even goes beyond the Iron Bamboo Curtain into the absolute heart of sheer human misery itself.
00:02:53.000So I'll be giving you the details on that and also on some other recent famous Americans who've been heading off to North Korea.
00:03:02.000North Korea, of course, more than happy to accept that kind of international attention.
00:03:07.000North Korea seems to really thrive on doing the big theatrical performances.
00:03:13.000Have you guys seen the videos on YouTube?
00:03:16.000Every, well it seems like every year, on the birthday of the great leader or some other national holiday, they have all of their Soldiers come out, all the men and the women, and they march in unison, and they hold up these big cards, and they have the beautiful women in their flower dresses, dancing around in their lovely colors, and really make it seem like it's just a wonderland.
00:03:38.000But what they don't show you is behind the scenes.
00:03:41.000You know, they did the same thing for Catherine the Great, when she would travel through Russia.
00:03:45.000As they do for these visiting international representatives who go there with film cameras.
00:03:52.000They used to set up for Catherine the Great's visits in these Terribly destitute villages.
00:03:59.000They would set up false fronts so that as she would ride down the street in her cavalcade or whatever it was, her gold gilded carriage, that on both sides of the street would be these opulent homes and these happy, well-dressed, smiling children wearing neatly ironed frocks and pinafores and everyone would be smiling and well-fed.
00:04:19.000And what they didn't know is that they spent a fortune building up literally just the facade for her and the visiting foreign dictators.
00:04:27.000And if you just peeled that away, it was almost like the Wild West, where they had those fake front, the false front buildings that you'd see in the old westerns, where if you looked behind it, you would see the misery, the human misery in those villages.
00:04:40.000Same thing true in North Korea, where literally hundreds of thousands, potentially even millions of people have starved to death because of their terrible communist policies.
00:04:51.000celebrities, I suppose, if you want to call Dennis Rodman a celebrity, just trying to ride that, you know, ride the horror we all feel about North Korea.
00:05:00.000All right, I'll give you details on that when we come back right after this.
00:05:03.000Katherine Albrecht filling in for Alex Jones.
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00:08:50.000Katherine Albrecht here, filling in for Alex Jones, the alpha dog of the Freedom Movement.
00:08:54.000So glad that he's on our team, I gotta tell ya.
00:08:57.000You know, after seeing him on Piers Morgan, and we're gonna be covering a clip here shortly of Louis Farrakhan responding to that, but you know, after seeing Alex Jones on Piers Morgan, I gotta say, I think I had the reaction everybody did when we first saw it, which was, oh my gosh, I can't believe I'm seeing that on live network television.
00:09:15.000And then I think, you know, the aftermath, I gotta tell you, I am so glad that guy is on our team.
00:09:22.000Seriously, would you want to be on the opposite team of all of that energy?
00:09:26.000And the thing about Alex Jones is that that energy represents the energy of literally millions of listeners across this country.
00:09:33.000That is the energy on which this country was founded, that independent energy that says, heck no!
00:09:39.000People descended from ancestors who said, heck no!
00:09:44.000To even a greater extent than I think we can even imagine today.
00:09:48.000If you think about what this country was founded on, people who got so sick of the power structure as it currently stood, that they were willing to brave oceans and privation and deprivation and starvation and having to figure out how to hack their way through an entirely new continent because they were so fed up with the power structure.
00:10:10.000And I gotta tell you, that is the blood that flows in the veins of true American patriots.
00:10:14.000That is the blood that flows in my veins and in your veins.
00:10:16.000When you think about our ancestors who left whatever hell hole they were in, whether it was in Eastern Europe, Western Europe, Southern Europe, Africa, well, that's a whole other story there, isn't it?
00:10:29.000France, You've got to talk about Northern Europe, you've got to talk about Mexico, you've got to talk about all through South America.
00:10:37.000We've got people who, through one means or another, came to this country and had to carve out a life.
00:10:43.000And when you look at how they managed to pull that off, and especially those folks who left family, left homes, left everything that they had, everything that they knew, and came out here to say, it's worth it to me to strike out on my own.
00:10:57.000I've got to tell you, that's a proud heritage.
00:11:00.000Yeah, and thinking about what it is to be truly an American in this country in this day and age, and then taking a look at what's happening in other parts of the world where people don't have even a fraction of the freedoms that we have.
00:11:11.000I've got to remind everybody listening, the next time you want to rag on the U.S.
00:11:15.000of A, and believe me, it's pretty easy to do.
00:11:17.000There's a lot of stuff going wrong here.
00:11:19.000But the next time you want to do that, I want you to remember something.
00:11:39.000Because this is the only place where people truly, I think, even in the core of their being, on the cellular level, understand what it is to be free and independent.
00:11:48.000And not to be under the thumb of somebody else.
00:11:51.000And so we've got that heritage leaving these oppressive hell holes that our ancestors left for a variety of different reasons.
00:11:59.000And coming over here, and then even once we got here, our ancestors had to stand up and do it again.
00:12:08.000The whole reason we left in the first place was we didn't want to be dealing with folks like you.
00:12:13.000So, you know, when I see people like Alex Jones standing up on Piers Morgan, On that television program and saying, heck no, you can't, it's not going to work.
00:12:22.000I've got to tell you, it does me proud, really, it does, to know that I live in a country where, especially as a woman, where men are real men.
00:12:33.000And men are willing to stand up for what's right.
00:12:35.000And I'm certainly, as a, you know, Bible-believing, wear-it-on-my-sleeve Christian, I'm absolutely a believer in praying for my enemies and turning the other cheek and doing all of that too.
00:12:45.000But I also know that during World War II, when the Jews said, oh yeah, look how harmless we are, take our guns, go ahead, look, we're harmless, see, don't hurt us, that that attitude and that approach doesn't work.
00:12:59.000So the only thing those folks understand, the only thing that the Nazis understood, was sheer brute force.
00:13:05.000And that doesn't mean you initiated against them, but it certainly means that you show them that they cannot initiate force against you without a fight.
00:13:14.000So I think that's really, really an important position.
00:13:16.000I think they do a good job here in New Hampshire.
00:13:20.000I live in the Free State, part of the Free State Project.
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00:13:53.000And yet, I'll tell you this, if he couldn't have gotten up the tree and my dog would have come at him, my dog would have been the worst in that encounter.
00:14:03.000Kind of like the don't tread on me snake, you know, it sends a strong message of I don't want to be messed with, but if you mess with me it's not going to go well with you.
00:14:13.000And I think that's really the core fundamental message.
00:14:18.000in contrast to some of the other countries out there.
00:14:20.000And there's one country that has been in the news pretty considerably in the last couple of months, and that is North Korea.
00:14:26.000You know, we just had a regime change over there, not much of one, Kim Jong-il passed away.
00:14:33.000His son now, Kim Jong-un, you know, moon-faced Kim Jong-un, the one that The Onion parodied as having won the Time Magazine Sexiest Man of the Year.
00:14:44.000Yeah, he's about as unsexy as they get.
00:14:47.000But the Chinese newspaper, by the way, the People's Republic of China newspaper, actually bought that hook, line, and sinker and printed this breathless review that Kim Jong-un had been voted Sexiest Man of the Year until they realized they'd been had.
00:15:04.000But, yeah, Kim Jong-un, who, you know, we're still trying to kind of figure out what's up with that guy.
00:15:09.000You know, he seems, he's got this big kind of baby face and doesn't smile very often and looks like he's been kind of, I don't know how to put it, maybe a little over-sheltered by his dad.
00:15:42.000And when I say really poor, they don't have any of the advantages of a functional free market.
00:15:49.000So if you go up to North Korea, not that you could get in because it is a militarized zone with all the borders closed down with well-armed That's the one thing they do spend money on is on their military.
00:16:03.000You can't get into North Korea unless you're famous or unless you wind up getting arrested somehow near the border.
00:16:11.000So North Korea is not a place that a lot of people get to go.
00:16:14.000However, North Korea seems to be really, how would I call it, almost like trying to get international attention for itself in a variety of rather bizarre ways.
00:16:27.000You can go online and my favorite, I'll see if I can find this, there's an absolutely hilarious video where somebody put some great music to the marching of all of their military, which they do every year.
00:16:39.000At these huge get-togethers where they have thousands of kids come out and thousands of women in their brightly colored traditional dress dancing around and thousands of soldiers marching in the street and they march down the street with their bombs and their weapons and really make a show of it and make it seem like North Korea is a success.
00:16:58.000The reality though, North Korea is the biggest failure on planet Earth.
00:17:04.000The biggest failure, let me tell you right now, total deaths in North Korea, this is between 1994 and 1998, during their, just one of their famines, due to economic mismanagement and natural disasters.
00:17:17.000They lost what some estimates say is up to 3.5 million members of their population to literal starvation.
00:17:25.000People reduced to eating the bark on trees, people reduced to eating grass, And yet whenever somebody from the West goes out there with a camera, they set up these Potemkin villages.
00:17:34.000A Potemkin village, you can start a page and look it up, is what they set up in the former Russia, or actually back in Russia.
00:17:44.000The Potemkin villages were these fake villages designed to impress foreign dignitaries and especially Catherine the Great during her visit to Crimea.
00:17:56.000And they set up these villages where you could just cruise on down and everybody was well-dressed and well-fed and smiling and there were curtains in the windows and beautiful flowers blooming in front of all these lovely doors.
00:18:06.000But the reality was it was just a fake facade set up to impress when behind the scenes people were starving.
00:18:14.000And the villages were absolutely destitute.
00:18:16.000The people were dressed in rags and it was total misery.
00:18:19.000So anytime you hear this phrase, kind of your 50 cent phrase of the day, the phrase Potemkin Village means a fake village designed to impress.
00:18:29.000It's now used in politics and economics to describe really anything that is built solely to deceive others into thinking the situation is better than it is.
00:18:39.000Well, you could say that North Korea It opens up its borders periodically to kind of portray this notion of being a wonderful, well-run, happy country filled with smiling, lovely women and children and military might.
00:18:55.000But if you look behind the scenes, you'll see the starvation and the misery in that country.
00:19:00.000If you have a cell phone in North Korea, I need to probably look at the exact penalty of this, but I know that cell phones are absolutely prohibited and they do have labor and concentration camps there for people who defy the regime in really any way.
00:19:16.000So a cell phone, any access to the internet, this country is completely cut off from all technology.
00:19:22.000Now, why am I telling you all of this, and what's going on in the news with North Korea?
00:19:26.000Well, Dennis Rodman, of all people, all right?
00:19:29.000Dennis Rodman, picture him, if you don't know who he is, Dennis Rodman, basketball player, he's the guy who would dye his hair, like, pink and green and crazy colors, if you picture Dennis Rodman.
00:19:41.000Well, there's a photo of him now in the New York Times, sitting next to Kim Jong-un, and they're both smiling and laughing, watching a basketball game right there in North Korea.
00:19:52.000Well, when we come back, I'll tell you about Dennis Rodman and also a couple other famous Americans, including a U.S.
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00:25:41.000And he went from being an NBA, American Hall of Fame professional basketball player, playing for the Detroit Pistons, San Antonio Spurs, Chicago Bulls, LA Lakers, and Dallas Mavericks, onto a kind of He's done a whole bunch of stuff.
00:26:03.000He actually put out an autobiography in 1996 called Bad as I Want to Be.
00:26:09.000He pursued a high profile affair with Madonna and was briefly married to actress Carmen Electra from Baywatch fame.
00:26:16.000Man, kind of a guy who's really flitted about and done a lot of things, but I've got to say he's even outdone himself here in terms of disgusting.
00:26:27.000Traveling to North Korea, and when he got to North Korea, now this is kind of reminding me of Hanoi Jane, you know when Jane Fonda went and smiled and sat with the crew of an anti-aircraft What was it, an anti-aircraft gun?
00:26:43.000And like literally sat there and smiled with the crew.
00:26:46.000This is the anti-aircraft gun that was used to shoot down American pilots.
00:26:52.000You know, we've got people who do this kind of thing and think that they're being cool.
00:26:57.000These celebrities who go, you know, over to these countries and put themselves into these positions.
00:27:02.000Gotta say, a lot of American veterans look at Jane Fonda now and don't want to hear anything about her.
00:27:07.000I would say that even though we're not at war with North Korea, that given the country's human rights record, that we really need to, I think, visit the same kind of shame on Dennis Rodman that was visited on Hanoi Jane, really.
00:27:22.000Human rights in North Korea, heavily restricted, public executions, arbitrary detentions, A total ban on any access to the internet, cell phones, any modern technology.
00:27:34.000People starving in their villages across the country.
00:27:38.000And they've got this cult of personality in which their great leader is revered almost as a god.
00:27:43.000He's like the celebrity of the entire country right now.
00:27:46.000That's Kim Jong Un, the son of recently deceased leader Kim Jong Il.
00:27:51.000And now you've got Dennis Rodman here in all of these public publicity photos laughing, sitting there, having a great old time.
00:27:57.000And let me read some of these quotes here.
00:28:00.000The company that set this up, not surprisingly, is called Vice Media.
00:28:05.000That doesn't surprise me in the least.
00:28:54.000Alright, one other thing I want to read you here.
00:28:56.000At the very end, Kim expressed to Rodman he hoped that their visit would improve North Korean-American relations.
00:29:04.000Rodman spent the game watching from a courtside table with Kim.
00:29:07.000He also gave a speech to the crowd in which he told Kim, quote, you have a friend for life.
00:29:13.000Now, how much do you think Dennis Rodman really understands about international politics or history or really anything else about North Korea for that matter?
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00:38:44.000Alright, well speaking of Google and Eric Schmidt, the other, I was telling you that there was a billionaire who recently went to North Korea, and that billionaire was Eric Schmidt and his daughter Sophie, grown woman, Put together a fascinating blog on what it's like to actually be in North Korea.
00:39:11.000Start page Sophie in North Korea and it's called It Might Not Get Weirder Than This and she blogged about her trip to North Korea and all the bizarre things that she experienced from her arrival Through all the traveling, the lodgings, the everything else, and the Potemkin Village, essentially, that was set up for their visit.
00:39:34.000I wish I had a little more time to go into it, but we've got a lot more to cover here.
00:39:38.000So yes, the Schmitts go into North Korea in January.
00:39:41.000Now we've got Dennis Rodman over there.
00:39:43.000And breaking news right now, coming out just today, North Korea, maybe they are emboldened by all these American high-profile folks visiting them.
00:39:52.000They have vowed to cancel the Korean War ceasefire.
00:39:58.000This literally just came out from Associated Press.
00:40:00.000They have vowed today to cancel the 1953 ceasefire that ended the Korean War.
00:40:05.000Now this is bizarre because you'd think a war that was fought in the 50s would just kind of be done and over, but it's not.
00:40:11.000At least not according to North Korea.
00:40:13.000They're vowing that on, let's see, within just a couple of days, they're going to lift the ceasefire, which would put them back into a state of war with South Korea.
00:40:27.000North Korea vowed Tuesday, this is the Associated Press, that's today, To cancel the 1953 ceasefire that ended the Korean War, citing a U.S.-led push for punishing U.N.
00:40:37.000sanctions over its recent nuclear test and ongoing U.S.-South Korean joint military drills.
00:40:45.000Without elaborating, the Korean People's Army Supreme Command, that would be the North Korean military there,
00:40:52.000This comes amid reports that Washington and North Korean ally Beijing have approved a draft of a UN Security Council resolution calling for sanctions in response to that nuclear test that North Korea did just a couple of weeks ago.
00:41:18.000All right, well that's a draft circulating around North Korea becoming a bit emboldened, saying that they're about to go back to war with South Korea.
00:41:26.000All right, we'll be watching this one closely.
00:41:27.000I'm sure Alex will keep you posted on all the developments there.
00:41:31.000All right, speaking of Alex, and man, I miss that guy.
00:41:34.000Well, speaking of Alex, he was in the news lately.
00:41:38.000In fact, Louis Farrakhan, head of the Nation of Islam, recently gave a speech in which he had something to say about Alex Jones.
00:41:47.000Let's go ahead and listen to the clip.
00:42:44.000You're stripping the American people of their rights in the name of fighting terror.
00:42:52.000You are the terrorists using your weapons of war and your mighty arsenal to terrorize the nations of the earth to submit to you and your wicked policies of divide and conquer.
00:43:10.000Alright, well say what you will about Louis Farrakhan, you gotta say he's got this particular one right.
00:43:15.000Yeah, he saw Alex Jones on Piers Morgan too.
00:43:18.000Wasn't it like, I gotta say, I'm sure someday when all of the media pundits go back and all of the academic professors who do media studies go back and look at the top ten pivotal moments on American television, or even global television, That interview is going to have to be right up there where Alex Jones really gave Pierce Morgan a piece of his mind in terms of the Second Amendment.
00:43:42.000I've got to tell you, even Louis Farrakhan talking about this, saying that we've got some real issues here and if they make an attempt to take away people's guns and their Second Amendment rights that there will be a civil war.
00:43:58.000This is part of a longer speech, by the way, called The Mark of the Beast.
00:44:02.000It's actually a lecture that Louis Farrakhan gave on The Mark of the Beast.
00:44:04.000Now, he's the head of the Nation of Islam, kind of an interesting political character in his own right.
00:44:11.000I disagree with a lot of what he's about and agree with other pieces.
00:44:15.000But he's talking about the state of the world at this moment and this particular excerpt is from a series of lectures called The Time and What Must Be Done.
00:44:25.000He refers to Elijah Muhammad saying France is headed towards destruction.
00:44:29.000He speaks out about AFRICOM and how America went in to kill his quote brother Gaddafi and about how America pits people and races against one another in a divide and conquer That's how they've done it.
00:44:46.000And the they, by the way, I've got a phrase for them.
00:45:25.000Well, I think that these folks who run the world view themselves as being that cream that's risen to the top, you know, sort of the cream of the crop, the top one percent, however they view themselves.
00:45:36.000But I view them as the slime that has risen to the top of the pond.
00:45:41.000See, I live in New Hampshire, we're the granite state up here.
00:45:44.000Our whole landscape is basically granite.
00:45:47.000It was really tough for our ancestors to plow this land because it's full of rocks and boulders and such.
00:45:53.000But when it rains, the depressions in the granite collect the water.
00:45:58.000And so we are covered, this entire state is covered with ponds and little lakes and lots of water.
00:46:04.000And at a certain point in the summertime, that water, especially if it's getting runoff from the fertilizer people put on their lawns, that water becomes green and it has a thick match of slime on the top.
00:46:19.000And that thick mat of slime I think of as the people who would rule over the rest of us are the pond scum choking out the light and the oxygen and all of the food from the other 99% of us underneath as we're gasping.
00:46:35.000And what we need to do periodically in New Hampshire, we go out with these big rakes and we just scrape that stuff off and let the sunlight circulate.
00:46:42.000And I think that's probably what we need to do as a society as well.
00:46:46.000Vote the bums out of office and really, really let some sunshine and oxygen back in.
00:46:51.000All right, well, this reminded me, you know, Lewis Farrakhan talking about the Second Amendment, and then we've also got Eric Schmidt and Dennis Rodman over there telling Kim Jong-il he's got a friend for life.
00:47:04.000Well, it was reminding me of Harry Belafonte.
00:47:06.000You remember a couple of weeks ago, Harry Belafonte came out with a couple of statements about Obama?
00:47:11.000And speaking of third world dictators, Harry Belafonte, another, I guess, celebrity who wants to ride the coattails of some of these things.
00:47:20.000Do you remember when he came out and actually said Obama should act like a third world dictator and just put all his opponents in jail?
00:47:31.000You fought for decades for some of the, quote, entitlements that the right wing wants to try and balance this budget, balance the deficit off of.
00:47:43.000As you look at this, Medicaid, Medicare, Social Security, you've been an activist leader from Roosevelt, Eleanor Roosevelt, through Dr. King, through Mandela, to Obama.
00:47:56.000How do you view this, and what is the challenge for those that are on the field today?
00:48:02.000What I think has most attracted me to this whole process is watching the political maturity of the American people.
00:48:10.000Because there was a great question during the first election as to whether or not Barack would even be elected.
00:48:16.000And after the turnout so emphatically put him in the presidency, it was interesting to watch the second turn.
00:48:23.000When everybody really didn't quite know what the game would be.
00:48:27.000Well, the American people, in their maturity, declared themselves fully.
00:48:31.000We want what Barack Obama is talking about.
00:48:34.000We want the country to go in that direction.
00:48:37.000And what fascinates me is that in the face of millions of Americans expressing their desire, the whole political establishment defining its game, That there should be this lingering infestation of really corrupt people who sit trying to dismantle the wishes of the people, the mandate that has been given to Barack Obama.
00:49:15.000Yeah, the American people in their maturity... I'm choking, excuse me, it's hard to even say those words.
00:49:24.000The American people in their maturity elected Barack Obama for a second term and what he needs to do is act like a third world dictator and put all of his critics in jail.
00:49:35.000Okay, well, this kind of seems like what's going on with the celebrity mentality right now.
00:49:39.000You know, you've got Dennis Rodman over there saying to Kim Jong-un, you've got a friend for life.
00:49:45.000Even though North Korea, right on the heels of that great basketball game and the big honking party that they just threw there for Dennis Rodman and everybody, you know, doing the Jun.
00:49:54.000K dance, You know, he's now turning around and saying, oh yeah, and by the way, we're going to strip off the ceasefire.
00:50:00.000So not only are we going to brutalize our own people, but now we're going to start brutalizing the rest of the world with our armaments, our nukes here.
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00:55:18.000And my single parenting mom reached out to our local prep school and said, maybe I can give my daughter a little better start in life, and had me go in and take the test.
00:55:27.000And I was your typical, like, sullen 14-year-old with my arms folded across my chest.
00:55:32.000But apparently I did pretty well on the test because they let me in.
00:55:35.000So I had an interesting year that year.
00:55:38.000Well, all my friends at the school never really became close friends, but they were all going off to Cotillion, and they were all going off to ski trips in the Swiss Alps to their second homes, and they were all having coming-out parties and doing all of these things.
00:55:52.000And, you know, there we were trying to survive on brown rice.
00:55:56.000So don't be thinking as I say things like that.
00:56:00.000Oh yeah, Catherine grew up with a silver spoon in her mouth.
00:56:03.000But it gave me a real insight into how the Senator's sons are educated.
00:56:10.000They don't go to the schools that your kids go to.
00:56:12.000Well, maybe your kids go to one of those schools, but they don't go to the schools that they want everybody else's kids at.
00:56:17.000You know, the government schools that they want the rest of everybody to attend are schools they wouldn't touch with a ten-foot pole, believe me.
00:56:24.000They've got their kids going to Phillips-Exeter and Phillips-Andover and all the elite prep schools, and they get a very different education.
00:56:34.000In fact, they're educated to be leaders.
00:56:36.000They're educated to think independently, to think their own thoughts, as opposed to being educated to sit down and shut up and follow the rules.
00:56:45.000Nowhere else are you going to find, anywhere in history, a period of time in which an entire multiple generations of young people, literally millions of people, sons and daughters, are placed into a bureaucratic, government-run institution in large numbers, almost a factory that cranks them out, as you would.
00:57:06.000And there on the assembly line, teaches them to be quiet.
00:57:11.000Teaches them to keep their mouth shut.
00:57:46.000I've spent most of my life in one version or another doing education, as I believe that my radio show still is.
00:57:53.000Probably the most potent form of education I've ever done.
00:57:56.000But as an educator, I can say, if you want to educate your kids to liberty, you're not going to be finding that education as they sit there in a government-run institution.
00:58:06.000You know, and as I'm thinking about North Korea, I don't know what their educational system is like there.
00:58:10.000It would be very interesting to find out, because how is it that they get the entire nation falling at the feet of their great leader, who's starving them to death?
01:01:46.000All of a sudden the darkness can't stick around because darkness in the face of light must flee.
01:01:51.000You know, there's no such thing as a darkness gun.
01:01:54.000Like, if you have a room full of light, you can't aim dark into it and make it go away.
01:01:58.000But if you have a room full of dark, you can aim light into it, and boom, it's gotta flee.
01:02:02.000So, I always say the best way to fight, and I gotta remind myself, so I'm preaching to the choir here and I'm preaching to my own self, that when we face these dark themes, and I've been facing them since 1999, Alex has been facing them even longer, The only way that you can keep yourself from just going crazy and, you know, getting your blood pressure up and your panties in a bunch, as they say, is really focus on, alright, how can I bring light into the situation?
01:02:45.000Well, to give us a better understanding of how the world gets into these crazy places, I've invited my guest for this hour, Philip G. Zimbardo, Professor Zimbardo, onto the show to talk to us about how people turn evil.
01:02:58.000What I think you'll find fascinating in this hour interview with Dr. Zimbardo is that they don't turn evil because they were born that way.
01:03:06.000That it's actually a conditioning process that is almost like hardwired into the human psychology.
01:03:12.000And all it takes is for the right set of circumstances to bring that out in really anybody.
01:03:18.000Well, Philip G. Zimbardo, he's an internationally recognized scholar, he's an educator, he's a researcher, and a media personality.
01:03:25.000He's won numerous awards and honors in each of these domains.
01:03:28.000He's been a university professor at Stanford University since 1968.
01:03:33.000He also has taught at Yale, NYU, and Columbia.
01:03:37.000He is perhaps best noted for giving psychology away to the public through his popular PBS TV series called Discovering Psychology.
01:03:46.000He's also written many text and trade books among his 300 publications.
01:04:19.000I just finished giving a keynote address to the Eastern Psychological Association, which is all the psychologists on the East Coast.
01:04:28.000The psychologists are divided into regional areas, and then there is the overall National Association, American Psychological Association, of which I mentioned I was president.
01:08:43.000So glad to be with you guys, and it's so glad, I'm so delighted.
01:08:47.000Here in really the heart of the Liberty Movement, it is such an honor to be able to fill in metaphorically and stand in Alex Jones's enormous shoes.
01:08:57.000And I know that he's been, literally since back in the 1990s, when I first became politically aware, Alex Jones was out there in the wilderness getting this message out.
01:09:08.000Now he's got millions of listeners and that's not an exaggeration.
01:09:13.000I know that there are millions of you out there.
01:09:15.000I know that you guys are all on the edge of your seats waiting to see what's going to unfold next in this country.
01:09:24.000One of the things I've got to figure out as I'm thinking about who to pray for, you know I am a wear it on my sleeve Christian here, I've got to figure out who to pray for in terms of really who are the enemies and how do they get to be what they are and where they are.
01:09:36.000A little bit in the last hour we talked about some of the nations across the globe that are doing really rotten things and I'm thinking here specifically of North Korea where they have torture camps set up.
01:09:46.000Where you can be disappeared in the middle of the night.
01:09:49.000And one of the questions, of course, anytime you really stare into the face of evil, is you ask yourself, whether it's Nazi prison guards, whether it is North Korean torture chamber operators, whether it is even Americans, God forbid, and Abu Ghraib and other places, you say, what is it?
01:10:28.000And I like to think I would never, no matter what circumstances you put me in, become some kind of evil torturer.
01:10:34.000But one of the shocking things that's come out of the literature, and really trying to understand how we got Nazi Germany and how we got North Korea, is that there is deep inside of human psychology some buttons that if you press them the right way and people are not on their guard against this within themselves, that they themselves can become torturers.
01:10:54.000Well, one of the folks who's done, I believe, the best job of explaining this phenomenon and maybe helping us to understand how to turn it around and prevent it is my guest this hour, Dr. Philip Zimbardo.
01:11:05.000He's an internationally recognized scholar, educator, researcher, and media personality.
01:11:10.000He's been a professor at Stanford University since 1968.
01:11:14.000He's taught at Yale, Columbia, and elsewhere.
01:11:17.000And he has published over 300 publications.
01:11:21.000He was recently the president of the American Psychological Association, and he is joining us live from New York, where he just delivered the keynote address to the group of Eastern psychologists.
01:11:36.000Now, I know that your research spans the gamut.
01:11:41.000In your lengthy career, you've covered so many different topics.
01:11:45.000In the last hour on the show, I was talking about what's going on over in North Korea.
01:11:49.000You know, we've got Dennis Rodman over there rubbing elbows with Kim Jong-un.
01:11:55.000going to parties and saying Kim Jong-un has a friend for life and kind of some weird stuff going on in the media.
01:12:01.000But when we think about North Korea, which, by the way, also just today announced that they're going to reverse the ceasefire, the 1953 ceasefire against South Korea, you've got to say, well, hang on a second, that's a brutal regime.
01:12:14.000They've got people in prison camps there that are tortured regularly up in North Korea.
01:12:19.000And I wanted to bring you on because of your psychological insights into what leads people to torture.
01:12:25.000You did a series of experiments at one point, the prison experiments, that I think shed some light on that.
01:12:32.000Can you give us an overview of what you've learned and what you learned from the prison experiments?
01:13:01.000And so I've been obsessed with the question of why do good people turn evil, not why do bad people do bad things.
01:13:09.000And I started actually as a kid asking that question because I grew up in a ghetto in the South Bronx in poverty in New York.
01:13:16.000If you grew up in a city anywhere in the world, you're surrounded by people whose job it is to get good kids to do bad things for money.
01:13:24.000And so I always wondered as a kid, how come some of my friends took the bad path and I and some other kids took the good path, the right path?
01:13:33.000And so again, even as a kid, I realized that evil is not in people.
01:13:41.000So that if you grow up privileged, you don't have those negative influence agents around you to tempt you to do bad things.
01:13:50.000And so now we're talking about, for example, Abu Ghraib, this infamous prison that really denigrated America's image to the world, because what we saw in those few images were young American
01:14:09.000prison guards, men and women for the first time, not only abusing prisons but apparently taking delight in it, smiling, giving high-fives, having prisoners in horrific positions, piled up naked and so forth, dragging them around by leash.
01:14:23.000And so when I saw that, that reminded me of my Stanford prison study, which I did back in 1971.
01:14:30.000And the question I ask is, what happens if you put good people in a bad place?
01:14:35.000What happens if you put good apples in a bad barrel?
01:14:38.000And so the study was, we had 24 college students from all over the United States who were in the San Francisco area in the summer.
01:14:49.000And, uh, they answered an ad to be part of a study of prison life for two weeks, to go for two weeks.
01:14:55.000We randomly assigned have-to-be-guards, have-to-be-prisoners, have-to-be-police-selected, the ones who are most normal, most healthy, psychologically and physically.
01:15:03.000And then we gave them uniforms, and we put them in a very realistic kind of psychological prison.
01:15:11.000Uh, and what that means is, with, you know, bars on their doors and solitary confinement, And all the accoutrements of a prison.
01:15:18.000We had local police arrest them, arrest the prisoners, bring them to the real jail and then to our jail.
01:15:25.000We had prison chaplain and public defenders and parole board hearings and visiting days.
01:15:31.000So essentially I created a very realistic simulation.
01:15:35.000And the idea was to observe what happens when a good kid happens to be put in the role of guard and another good kid happens to be put in the role of prisoner.
01:15:43.000And to make a long experiment, and the prisoners of course lived there 24-7, the guards worked 8-hour shifts.
01:15:51.000What happened is within two days, the first normal healthy college student prisoner had an emotional breakdown.
01:15:58.000And each day thereafter, another prisoner had a breakdown in the same way.
01:16:03.000Well, they were responding to the sadistic, brutal behavior of their guards.
01:16:09.000And essentially what happened was, The boys in the role of guards begin to do what guards do, is to use power to dominate, to treat the prisoners as if they were their puppets.
01:16:21.000In fact, that's the phrase one of the guards used.
01:16:24.000We're like puppeteers and they are our puppets.
01:16:26.000Because any prison setting is about one thing.
01:16:30.000So that if you're in the guard role, you have to constantly demonstrate you have power over the prisoners, which means you have to impress upon them that they have none.
01:16:41.000And any attempt by prisoners to have more power is treated with punishment, with abuse.
01:16:46.000And the prisoner guard metaphor is a metaphor of life, it's not just prison.
01:16:51.000You see this in some marital relationships, you see this in some teacher-student relationships, etc.
01:16:58.000And so I had to end the study after six days.
01:17:00.000We couldn't go the full two weeks because it was out of control.
01:17:05.000Yeah, and when you talk about out of control, I know that the prisoners themselves were responding by having breakdowns.
01:17:15.000The prison guards were enjoying their power.
01:17:20.000See, again, most people have a minimal amount of power.
01:17:24.000I mean, if you're rich, you have some monetary power.
01:17:27.000If you're big, you have power over little kids, little people.
01:17:32.000The guards were really acting like big bullies, you know, for the first time.
01:17:36.000They were enjoying the exercise of power.
01:17:40.000And really, that is at the core of what you mean by evil.
01:17:42.000Evil is the exercise and abuse of power to intentionally harm other people in various ways.
01:17:49.000Now, the key message for your audience is that what my study showed, and what an earlier study by Stanley Milgram, who is my high school classmate in the Bronx, he did a famous study where he had men, not college students, men 20 he did a famous study where he had men, not college students, men 20 to 50 years old, think that they were being a teacher, teaching their student a lesson by punishing the student whenever
01:18:18.000And two-thirds of those ordinary young men Delivered up to 450 rolls of what they thought was almost lethal shock.
01:18:29.000Of course, the person who was pretending to be the learner, the student, was not actually getting the shock, but the person delivering it thought he was.
01:18:37.000You know, so again, the Milgram study and the Zimbardo Stanford Prison study together say what we have to be aware of is how much our individual behavior is under the influence of situational forces.
01:18:51.000In the Milgram study, it was an authority, a guy in a lab coat saying, you must go on.
01:19:31.000And so, again, the message, and this was true in Abu Ghraib.
01:19:35.000You know, in Abu Ghraib, just to bring some of the audience up to date, in 2004, we were shocked, the whole world, especially Americans, were shocked to see our military police abusing Iraqi prisoners in horrific ways.
01:19:54.000And everybody said, who are these bad apples?
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01:25:03.000I guess I would back up a little bit and say, you know, one of the amazing things that we have discovered, we have psychologists, biologists, is this brain that we have that gives rise to our mind that really gives us infinite capacity to do anything that is imaginable.
01:25:21.000So, in a sense, all of us Have the potential to be kind of cruel, caring, or indifferent, destructive, or creative.
01:25:32.000And really, that same mind pushes some people to become villains, perpetrators of evil, and others to do really heroic things, which is my new mission in life.
01:25:41.000So the important thing is not to think, I'm not that kind of person, when you hear about something terrible happening.
01:25:49.000Rather ask the question, How could that person have done that?
01:25:53.000We don't have to know both about the person, but also about the situation that that person was operating and living in at that time.
01:26:03.000So, for example, most kids have been involved in high school shooting or college shooting.
01:26:09.000One of the things that we have discovered is in In almost every case, they were socially excluded.
01:26:20.000They went around Virginia Tech or they went around their school with no friends, feeling lonely and isolated.
01:26:27.000And so that is now a basic condition which can give rise to that kind of extreme behavior.
01:26:35.000It also gives rise to less extreme behavior like shyness and simply feeling shunned.
01:26:40.000But what it means is, what about all those people in all those schools who never took the time to make friends, to reach out, to be an ally, to say, hey, sit down next to me.
01:27:04.000You identify them, you imprison them, you torture them, you execute them, and the problem continues because we have evil situations and we have evil systems.
01:27:16.000Well, and this idea that we have evil systems, I think there is a tendency to say, oh look at that person over there, they're a psychopath, or they were just born wrong, or they were wired wrong.
01:27:27.000Is it the case that some people truly are wired without human empathy, and then other people can be socially maneuvered into not having empathy?
01:27:38.000What we know, actually, mostly through psychiatry, is about 1% of every population in the world are people who grow up with, really, a brain defect.
01:27:53.000They grow up without the ability to feel empathy for other people, without the ability to feel suffering.
01:27:59.000These are people whose kids can torture animals and take delight in it and not feel any guilt or shame.
01:28:06.000It's only one percent, you see, and the problem is in a lot.
01:28:10.000So, for example, with the shooting in Connecticut, you know, people focused on, oh, this kid was a psychopath.
01:28:16.000Well, that may be true, but that was not true of any of the other kids in all of the many other shootings.
01:28:24.000So, again, the system analysis is something that we rarely do.
01:28:30.000So, as I said, social psychologists, like me, say, look, what we have to understand basic conditions that people live in.
01:28:39.000So if you live in poverty, that's a social condition that's going to increase the likelihood that you're going to do bad things for money.
01:28:48.000But also, if you live in a setting where people practice dehumanization, they think of others as must-be-human.
01:28:56.000If you're in a situation where people treat you in an anonymous way, like you're insignificant, we show that that leads to negative behavior.
01:29:07.000If you're in a situation where you're part of a group and the group has negative norms, that is, it's okay to smoke heroin, it's okay to have unprotected sex, it's okay to steal, cheat, lie, tell, do racist things, then that group has a powerful influence on you because you go along to get along.
01:29:25.000So we know we have a recipe in psychology of what can make a good kid, a good person of any age, start down that negative path.
01:29:34.000And now what we're trying to do is reverse it.
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01:33:11.000We now take you live to the Central Texas Command Center in the heart of the Resistance.
01:33:17.000You're listening to The Alex Jones Show.
01:33:19.000Yeah, those jackboots, man, they keep coming back historically over and over and over.
01:33:35.000It's the reason I became a Liberty Freedom Privacy Advocate, is because I've got a floor-to-ceiling bookshelf, four feet wide, all the way up to the ceiling.
01:33:43.000I don't know how many shelves are on there, but there's a lot of books of 20th century history.
01:33:47.000And the reality is, any time you give too much power to those guys with the jackboots, they will take it from you, and they will use it to stomp on you.
01:33:57.000And I guess this hour, Philip Zimbardo has devoted a career to trying to figure out why this is and then how to counter it.
01:34:02.000What we can do to take a look, really stare down the face of human evil and figure out what we should be doing instead.
01:34:12.000Dr. Zimbardo, there's a story that was in the news yesterday and I couldn't help but think of your research as we were hearing the dramatic 911 tape of this dispatcher who was fighting to save a patient.
01:34:26.000Now I know you've been doing keynotes and you may not have heard this, but there is a retirement home or a nursing facility called Glenwood Gardens in Bakersfield, California, and there was an 87-year-old woman who collapsed and was not breathing.
01:34:41.000And the dispatcher, the 911 dispatcher, is trying to give instructions to the nurse at the facility to give this woman CPR and is frantically making every effort to try to encourage this woman to please start CPR to save the woman's life.
01:34:58.000And just a quick quote from here and then I want to play the audio clip because it's chilling.
01:35:03.000She says, um, the CPR, or excuse me, the 911 dispatcher says, I understand if your boss is telling you you can't do CPR, but as a human being, is there anybody who's willing to help this lady and not let her die?
01:35:14.000Is there a gardener, any staff, anyone who doesn't work for you anywhere?
01:35:18.000Can we flag someone down in the street and get them to help this lady?
01:35:36.000Okay, well then, if you get anybody, any stranger that happens to walk by that's willing to help, I understand if your boss is telling you you can't do it.
01:35:44.000But if there's any, as a human being, I don't, you know, is there anybody that's willing to help this lady and not let her die?
01:35:56.000Alright, Dr. Zimbardo, this coldness I think has really shocked the nation as we've been hearing this 911 call that anyone would put the bureaucratic rules of just their local facility, which I guess told the nurses that they're not allowed to perform CPR, that anybody would be able to coldly stand by and let a fellow human being die with that degree of just dispassionate lack of emotion, lack of compassion, lack of anything Is this one of these psychopaths?
01:36:30.000No, it's not a... I mean, again, it's really important not to put the blame on the nurse.
01:36:35.000She is simply part of a system that says, here's what we don't want to do because we could get sued.
01:36:42.000And suppose you start the CPR and you don't do it right and the person will die.
01:36:46.000So first of all, In any home for the aged, everybody should know how to do CPR.
01:36:53.000That should be a requirement by every state.
01:36:55.000So we start, we have to change the laws so that not only is it permissible, but they have to know how to do it.
01:37:02.000This is reminiscent of what happened last year, if you remember.
01:37:05.000In China, a little girl, a toddler, is walking along a street and a car runs over her and there is a surveillance camera that shows in 10 minutes Maybe 18 people passed if I was in one foot of that girl, and no one stops to pick her up, and she dies the next day.
01:37:24.000And this was the moral crisis in China, just as this one should be now in America.
01:37:29.000And the reaction was, most people said, I wouldn't help either.
01:37:32.000Not that I didn't care, but people might have thought I did it.
01:37:36.000Or maybe if I moved her, it would make it worse.
01:37:39.000So, this is what you call the need for a good Samaritan law.
01:37:42.000That is, if you, with good intention, try to help somebody in an emergency situation, you cannot be held liable for any negative consequences.
01:37:52.000In America, I think only 22 states have such a law.
01:37:56.000And so, many people here are self-interested to say, you know, I don't want to lose my job if I go against the rules.
01:38:05.000But, the bottom line is, How do you step out of that rule-based system and say, I cannot allow another human being to die because suppose that was my mother?
01:38:18.000And so partly what we have to do is, you know, how do you get people to really feel empathy and compassion for every other person?
01:38:27.000Not just an old person or not just a person of a different gender or race or whatever, but for everyone.
01:38:33.000And so this is just jumping ahead of our stuff.
01:38:36.000So this is what I've been trying to do in moving from my focus on why did good people turn evil to how can we make ordinary people like that aid in Uh, to be inspired to do the heroic thing.
01:38:50.000In this case, the heroic thing is to go against the system and say, I'm sorry.
01:39:02.000And now, simply because she did follow the rules.
01:39:05.000And, you know, when you're living in a society where the rules begin to go crazy, and I'm sure that we could look at Nazi Germany or North Korea as examples right now, even, where, you know, in North Korea, it is the appropriate thing to do that if you see somebody with a cell phone and you're a member of the regime there, that you beat that person brutally and torture them and put them into a labor camp.
01:39:27.000So, when the rules begin to go crazy and things begin to go totally wrong, it just seems that there's such a difficulty of human beings to resist that.
01:39:36.000Before we open up the phone lines, let me go ahead and do that now.
01:39:41.0001-800-259-9231 for your questions and comments for my guest this hour, Dr. Philip Zimbardo.
01:39:46.000Before we do that, I want to talk, I know you've got a new project, and I also want to talk about the Lucifer Effect.
01:39:51.000So you went from doing the Stanford Prison Experiments, which people can find online, they can start page that, we don't use Google around here, we use start page, they can start page it.
01:40:00.000They can also look up your book, The Lucifer Effect, and kind of follow your progression as a force of change in the psychological community.
01:40:09.000The Lucifer Effect was maybe one step behind where you are now, which is really the hero project, trying to get people into Not just being evil, but not just not being evil, but literally becoming heroes.
01:40:21.000Just really quickly, can you give us the overview of the Lucifer Effect?
01:40:26.000I had mentioned earlier that I did this traumatic study called the Stanford Prison Study to demonstrate, it was a very vivid demonstration of the ease with which good people, good colleges, eligible colleges could be seduced to do bad things if they were put in the role of a guard of that power, in a situation where they could use that power.
01:40:48.000And then, in 2004, Albuquerque erupted, and there were direct parallels between what happened in Albuquerque prison and in my prison.
01:40:57.000Until I became an expert witness for one of our guards to demonstrate that he was a good apple and that the military put him in a very bad barrel.
01:41:09.000And in my book, Loser Effect, I not only present the Stanford President's study in almost moment by moment, hour by hour, but then I take the reader to Abu Ghraib, and I think I know more about Abu Ghraib than almost anyone.
01:41:22.000I was immersed in it for years, for several years.
01:41:25.000But really to understand, how could this happen?
01:41:27.000How could good American men and women do these terrible things?
01:41:31.000And the point is, every guard on the night shift did terrible things.
01:42:48.000It's not in the positive psychology movement.
01:42:52.000So now they're starting to do research on terrorism, trying to get funding to sponsor students everywhere to do research on terrorism.
01:43:03.000But in addition, what I've done is created a project in San Francisco that we hope we can scale up nationally and internationally called the Heroic Imagination Project.
01:43:14.000The website is www.heroicimagination.org, and essentially it's to teach young people how to be wise and effective heroes.
01:43:23.000And the way we're going to teach them is first to teach them the basic street smarts that I learned in the Bronx, South Bronx, of, you know, what are the forces of evil, and how do you identify them, how do you learn to resist, and how do you learn to oppose?
01:43:40.000And then, how do we inspire you to the bright side?
01:43:45.000To teach you how to be a wise and effective hero?
01:43:53.000Heroes are always deviant because when you look around, other people are doing nothing.
01:43:57.000And so, how do you practice so that when the opportunity arises, you're not going to give in to the group and do nothing.
01:44:04.000You're going to do the right thing when people are doing nothing.
01:44:07.000The other thing I should mention is that there are two kinds of evil.
01:44:10.000There's the evil of action, where you do a bad thing, and the broader evil that we all are part of is the evil of inaction.
01:44:17.000So a bully is practiced as evil of action, but all the rest of us who have known about bullies in junior high, in high school, and now in the business world, who've done nothing, we are guilty of the evil of inaction.
01:44:29.000By our inaction, we allow that evil to be continued.
01:44:35.000Now, I'm on your website, heroicimagination.org.
01:44:38.000You've got just a wealth of resources here.
01:44:41.000There's a video library, stories of heroism, you've got information about the bystander effect, conformity, obedience to unjust authority, which I think comes right into this 911 call.
01:44:53.000It's all there, and I would encourage people to check out heroicimagination.org.
01:45:59.000Not only of the kids, but the teachers and their parents.
01:46:01.000It's really a unique program that I'm desperate to give away to the world.
01:46:08.000I want to jump in and encourage people that if you're not tithing 10% of your income for liberty, you've got to bear in mind that you're tithing between 20 and 60% of your income for tyranny in the form of your taxes.
01:46:22.000Yeah, every dollar that comes into my hands, even if it's someone purchasing a product that I'm selling or if I'm at an event signing a book, I take 10% before I even deduct the expense of the item and I set it aside.
01:46:36.000My husband and I have a tithing account.
01:46:38.000We have an envelope that we keep with cash in it.
01:46:41.000We also just started a bank account where literally 10% of every single penny that comes into our hands goes into there, and it is available for causes like yours, so expect to be receiving a donation from us, Dr. Zimbardo.
01:46:54.000Yeah, I really want to support what you're doing because, you know, so much of our money is going... I know because I've been in the halls of power and seen the lobbyists there.
01:47:02.000They lobby for their interests and they further their cause with money and they set aside a certain percentage of all their income to make sure that their interests are represented in Congress and in state capitals.
01:47:13.000And we need to be doing the same across the board.
01:47:14.000Really fighting for liberty and goodness and I think that this is just a brilliant place to do that.
01:47:19.000To all the listeners, I would just put out a challenge to you to begin to set aside 10% of your income.
01:47:24.000You can dedicate it to a church, to missions, you can dedicate it to liberty actions, secular efforts, whatever it is that's bringing goodness into the world.
01:47:33.000We've got to fund it, otherwise it doesn't stand a chance against the forces of evil, which have a lot of money, ill-gotten gains they spend in that way.
01:47:40.000All right, let me go to the phone lines and take your questions and calls.
01:47:43.000For my guest, Dr. Philip Zimbardo, let us go ahead to Emily, who is calling in from Tennessee.
01:47:51.000Hello, Emily, you're on with Philip Zimbardo, go ahead.
01:48:00.000She's a Prison Planet TV member, and we have been raised according to the Word of God, and Jeremiah 2 says, the heart above all things is deceitful and desperately wicked.
01:48:21.000So until a person is born again, they really have no understanding about good or evil, and we are really like sheep to the slaughter, as Alex is sheeple, to be, you know, thrown in front of the TV set, which is, you know, The Walking Dead, and basically pornography on even
01:48:48.000basic cable tv channels and people have you know they seem to have nothing else to do they don't want to read they don't seem to want to know well i'm i'm totally with you emily because at the beginning of this hour when i said i hope i would never get into that situation
01:49:05.000i truly hope that my faith and and my efforts as a christian to refine my heart and to to really try to be humble and and kind and and purge those sorts of things in my christian walk would go a long way Let me ask our guest here, Dr. Zimbardo, does faith and religion play a role in helping people to resist these kinds of societal forces?
01:49:30.000I mean, essentially, you know, virtually all religions are repositories of morality.
01:49:36.000Morality is all about teaching people right from wrong.
01:49:41.000Teaching people to do the good thing and to avoid the bad thing, to resist temptation.
01:49:47.000The problem is, more and more, religion has less of an impact on our secular life.
01:49:54.000That people go to church, and while they're in church they say prayers, they get communion, whatever, and then they go back and are in a different world zone.
01:50:03.000So the question is, how do you carry that goodness in your heart, that kindness, that compassion, every day toward everyone?
01:50:11.000You know, so if you're religious, if you're Catholic, if you're Christian, you know, you carry the message of Jesus that, you know, the least among you is my child, my son, my daughter.
01:50:23.000And so that's what we're really trying to promote, not in a religious way, with the whole organization project.
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01:55:40.000Hi there, I just wanted to give an example of how to break the mindset.
01:55:43.000My mother was in Germany from 1938 to 1950 as an American.
01:55:48.000As a result of that, she got involved with the Germans that were too afraid to break the mindset of the conditioning that the Nazis created, but she got them to basically help smuggle Jews out of Germany, and then after the war, She knew Eisenhower because she was part of the military occupation government, and he tried to starve children, or starve the whole country, because he hated Germans so badly.
01:56:11.000And she broke the mindset of many military people and got the help of Patton to basically help feed orphanages and stuff like that.
01:56:18.000Military people are so conditioned to follow orders, even if they're just against every instinct of human beings.
01:56:26.000She did it in both cases, so it's possible to break the Sounds like your mother's one of the heroes, Dr. Zimbardo.
01:56:39.000Because that's exactly the kind of person who's a silent hero.
01:56:43.000What she did is extraordinary on both sides.
01:56:47.000Again, it's following up with the earlier sad thing about somebody gives him orders to work in a home for the aged, not to give CPR, and so it allows somebody to die.
01:57:01.000After the war, there was a lot of hostility against Germans, and we were, you know, some of our leaders were willing to let them starve to death, you know.
01:57:11.000They were people who followed, you know, followed orders of, you know, Well, we hear their stories, but we don't always hear the stories of the heroes.
01:57:34.000If my question's been asked, just ignore it, but I have to ask, Mr. Zimbardo, I read about this Stanford prisoner experiment back when I was in college.
01:57:45.000And it always bothered me that somebody would do an experiment like this.
01:57:50.000How can you know you didn't damage the people that were involved in the experiment permanently?
01:57:55.000It really bothered me to think that someone would do this.
02:00:21.000He's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
02:00:25.000And now, live from Austin, Texas, Alex Jones.
02:00:29.000And hello, Catherine Albrecht here, filling in for Alex Jones as he takes a much-needed vacation, hopefully gets a little rest.
02:00:45.000I am here with you writing Shotgun all three hours today.
02:00:48.000I will also be back with you again on Friday as we together take a gander at not only the news that's going on out there, but maybe a little commentary, a little bit of detangling and trying to understand how we got into this mess that we're in.
02:01:04.000And of course, as a Bible-believing Christian, I like to say that this mess that we got into started way back when, you know?
02:01:10.000It really seems like we are on board the Titanic.
02:01:13.000This is an analogy I gave last week when I was a guest on Alex's show, and if you didn't catch it, I was there in the studio on video, so you can actually see me.
02:01:22.000I said today, no, not going to do that on video Skype, thank you.
02:01:25.000I'll leave that to Alex, but I was in the studio, so I did that live.
02:01:46.000And of course, the Bible itself tells us, King Solomon, one of the wisest guys ever, says, you know, don't go longing for the old days and thinking they were better than today, because they weren't.
02:01:57.000Is that interesting that even back in his day, how many thousands of years ago, he was cautioning people, oh yeah, you thought 1200 BC was better than 1150 BC?
02:02:08.000Because the battle that we're fighting is not, you know, it feels like it's a battle against technology and surveillance drones and encroaching corporate Takeovers of the entire globe.
02:02:20.000But the reality is that the battle we're fighting is a spiritual battle, and it is one that has raged in the hearts of men and around the hearts of men from the very beginning of time.
02:02:30.000You can take it all the way back, if you want to use my analogy of the Titanic, that we struck an iceberg way back when in the Garden of Eden.
02:02:38.000You know, when Eve took a bite out of that apple, Whether you want to view that literally or metaphorically, there was a deal that was struck.
02:02:44.000And the deal said, hey, we don't want what you've got, God.
02:03:15.000They want to be inside of your head the same way that God is omniscient and omnipotent, sees all things, knows all things, numbers the hairs on your head, knows when the sparrow, every time a sparrow falls from the sky, God knows it all.
02:03:27.000And the folks over there at Google, they want to know it too.
02:03:30.000They want a picture of the front of your house.
02:03:32.000They want, you know, it's not just Google.
02:03:35.000It just happens that Google happens to be the company right now that is holding all the toys.
02:03:42.000But you better believe the NSA and Interpol and the global banking elite and the pawn scum, that's what I call them, the scum that has risen to the top of the pawn, choking out the oxygen for the rest of us, they all want those same powers too.
02:03:57.000These are not new powers that are being sought.
02:03:59.000It's just we now have new technology to enable them to get the powers that they want to have over the rest of us.
02:04:05.000And anytime, you know, the best definition I've ever come up with for government is people who have sought power over others and obtained it.
02:04:14.000And those are the very people that shouldn't have power.
02:04:17.000If you think about it, the people who we've given the power to and our money to, between 20 and 60 percent of our income goes into their hands.
02:04:28.000It's like miracle grow to the weeds in your backyard when you give them money and you give them power.
02:04:34.000And that is why, you know, this is, and again, it's not a new battle.
02:04:38.000It's maybe a little bit new, because we're the first generation or nation that's figured out how to try to thwart it, and we're trying to hold on to that constitutional system of checks and balances.
02:04:48.000But the battle's been raging forever, and it's going to continue to rage.
02:04:53.000All right, I'm your host, Dr. Kathryn Albrecht, filling in for Alex Jones, and we'll be right back.
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02:08:41.000Oh my gosh, my brain is jammed full of irrelevant details.
02:08:45.000Nick, can you imagine what we could do?
02:08:47.000Like what brain power we would have if we took stuff like the fact that that song is called Baker Street by Jerry Rafferty and replaced it with, oh I don't know, maybe the literal text of the Constitution?
02:08:58.000Why were they teaching me that when I was in my teens?
02:09:01.000Hey, listen, I am, in case you don't know who this is, this is Dr. Kathryn Albrecht filling in for Alex Jones, and we're going into hour three of absolutely the Liberty Marathon here that is the daily Alex Jones radio program.
02:09:15.000Such a delight to be able to sit in the director's chair of this show, even just briefly.
02:09:22.000I've got to tell you, Alex has done just such a tremendous job in recent years waking people up, just letting people know what's going on, kind of breaking through the mainstream media and all of its little house of glass there and all the lies that we're being told.
02:09:40.000I hope that his hat is off and that he's getting a nice warm massage, maybe drinking Mai Tai's on a beach somewhere.
02:09:46.000He's probably off in some undisclosed location, but let's hope he's getting a good rest.
02:09:50.000Alright, well I'm with you for the remainder of this hour.
02:09:52.000I'm also going to be with you on Friday when we're going to do some good news on my radio show, KMAShow.com.
02:09:58.000Every Friday we dedicate to de-stressing and de-compressing from all the bad news that we cover Monday through Thursday and Saturdays as well.
02:10:23.000And if you've got some good news, maybe a piece of legislation that's going in the right direction, or maybe one that was going in the wrong direction and got killed.
02:10:52.000And we'll look at the positivity when Friday rolls around.
02:10:56.000All right, well, today I've got a guest for you.
02:10:59.000And John Rapoport is with me this hour.
02:11:03.000He is the guy who takes a look at the news and gives it his own little twist.
02:11:08.000In fact, he sent an absolutely awesome email out yesterday.
02:11:12.000Remember, we had Lenore Skenazy on the show yesterday, talking about that kid who ate the strawberry pop tart into the shape of what he thought was a mountain, and his teacher thought it was a gun, and suspended the kid for two days.
02:11:25.000I shouldn't laugh, I should be absolutely just lividly crying.
02:11:29.000But John Rapoport had some great responses to that, and it is my joy to bring him on the show right now.
02:11:39.000So, what did you think about this strawberry pop tart?
02:11:43.000I loved your response, calling for an armed insurrection.
02:11:46.000Let me let you share that with the listeners.
02:11:48.000Yeah, an armed insurrection of all the kids in the school taking all their tarts and all making guns out of them.
02:11:56.000And saying, here we are, you know, this is the Strawberry Tart Rebellion.
02:12:00.000So suspend us, kick us out, get rid of us, send us home, we'll bring our parents back to school, and our parents can talk to you, to the school board, and say, you're completely and utterly and totally out of your minds.
02:12:17.000And so therefore, unless you rescind this policy and get some quick sanity, we're going to take all the kids out of school.
02:12:34.000And then you can figure out how to get federal dollars for every student that you don't have now in the school, because you've obviously gone completely insane.
02:13:10.000And we're going to draw the line in the sand here.
02:13:12.000We're not going to permit you to do this to our children anymore.
02:13:16.000And then, in schools across the country, you'll see more of that happening as people go to their school boards and they say, oh yeah, my kid brought a paper gun.
02:13:27.000And then there was the water pistol, and there was the picture of a gun.
02:13:30.000And so we're going to take all of our kids out of school because you people are crazy.
02:13:35.000Yeah, no, the Hello Kitty bubble gun, not bubble gum, but the bubble gun that, you know, you pull the trigger on the little pink plastic Hello Kitty and little bubbles fly out, and a kid got suspended for that as well.
02:13:46.000So, you know, when they're suspending kids for throwing fake grenades, you know, just pretending to pull the pin out of a grenade and pretending to throw it, to blow up the bad guys in a box, because it's something the kids saw on a cartoon,
02:13:59.000You know, sometimes I wonder, and my degree, actually my background is in human development and psychology and education, so I spent a lot of years at Harvard studying how kids develop and how their minds develop and how their educational exposure shapes and molds them into what they become as adults.
02:14:17.000And I gotta tell you, even with all that training, I have no preparation for even beginning to comprehend what happens to children who are exposed to this kind of nonsense from adults.
02:14:28.000Because if you're a 6, 7, 8 year old kid, and you see that your classmate is being expelled, suspended for two days, for eating a Pop-Tart into the wrong shape, what does that teach you about the world?
02:14:42.000What does that teach you about the adults around you?
02:14:44.000you do you just feel like the lunatics are running up but see to me this is really not just a few isolated crazy teachers what's really happening here is they've had this whole plan on the drawing boards for a long time we take the guns we pass laws executive orders etc etc we got the media on our side but more than that with their what they're trying to do is Change the culture.
02:15:17.000Look at what happened back in the years when it was okay to wear fur.
02:15:20.000And then all of a sudden, not only was it not okay to wear fur, but you were in danger if you were wearing fur when you walked down the street.
02:15:29.000Now I'm not saying that was a bad thing at all.
02:15:31.000I'm just showing you how these things develop.
02:15:34.000That's what they're trying to do with guns.
02:15:36.000They want to change the whole culture.
02:15:38.000So that if you just mention the word gun, if you say the word gun, If you write the word gun, if you think the word gun, then all of a sudden you are the outsider.
02:15:48.000Not just the outsider, you're the bad guy, you're the criminal, you're the potential terrorist, you're the prehistoric Neanderthal who's still living, you know, with guns and bitterly clinging to religion.
02:16:02.000And out in the rural area, somewhere in the hick, land where the uneducated are you see that's what they're trying to do here they're trying to change the entire culture so that in the next five to ten years people will just oh I don't know whether I should mention the word gun oh that might be bad oh that might be a terrible thing that's where all this is going and that's what you're trying to do I think you make a really interesting parallel here with firm
02:16:29.000Because it was the case, in fact, my own grandfather was a mink rancher long before I was born.
02:16:39.000And back in that era, you know, in the 40s, you can go back and read and see this on the old movies, having a mink was the ultimate expression of wealth.
02:16:48.000And so everybody wanted a mink and it was I'm not going to make a judgment on that either way, but the way in which the culture so radically and dramatically changed, to the point where I was in Manhattan just a couple of weeks ago, and you know, it's the dead of winter, it's freezing cold in Manhattan, and I saw a woman in a full length mink coat.
02:17:12.000And rather than say, well, that's really a beautiful mink coat, or rather than, you know, have some other thought, well, she must be rich, the first thought that went through my head is somebody's going to throw paint on that woman.
02:17:21.000So, the culture has been so thoroughly acculturated to look at fur and have all of these negative images come up.
02:17:29.000I think the other example we could look at, John, would be smoking.
02:17:32.000That it used to be, you know, you look at the 1950s and every movie, you know, Cary Grant smoking a cigarette, Doris Day smoking a cigarette, everybody smoking.
02:17:40.000And then, now we've gotten to the point where even the mention of cigarettes, you know, they can't advertise them, they can't put them in the movies, everybody is anti-smoking.
02:17:50.000So, do you think that that kind of a change, that kind of a cultural shift to where everybody just makes the sign of the cross and says, get away from me with that cigarette or that fur, is that going to happen with guns?
02:18:37.000You're passing the buck to each other and all of a sudden we've got this new kind of genetically engineered food all over America.
02:18:45.000So Monsanto, along with many of its allies, began to do gigantic amounts of promotion to convince not so much the public, you see, But the educated classes, the technocrats, the scientists, everybody in the scientific community was going to be convinced by Monsanto.
02:19:15.000You understand, you people have The opinion of the country, you scientists, you tech heads, you people that understand what science is all about, that this food that we're engineering is absolutely equal in nutrition in every other way to the regular food that people have been eating.
02:19:47.000They succeeded in changing the culture of the technological and scientific classes in America so that these morons and idiots actually go along with the program that GMO food is safe.
02:20:00.000And they have the ear of the media, as does the government, who's in collusion with Monsanto here.
02:20:06.000So they changed the culture and it was only by grass roots.
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02:24:46.000And I am, of course, your guest host today, Dr. Katherine Albrecht, filling in for Alex Jones as he takes a much-needed vacation.
02:24:53.000Let's all join together and send a prayer of Calm and relaxation to overflow Alex right now, wherever he is.
02:25:00.000Hope he's enjoying, you know, kicking back with a Mai Tai in his hand and a nice sun shining on him somewhere as he takes a break.
02:25:08.000He will be back with you first thing, I believe, Monday morning.
02:25:11.000He might be back over the weekend, I don't know, but I'm going to be here until Friday when we're going to do some good news and lighten the mood just a little bit on Friday.
02:25:20.000Today, though, we're talking about the ways in which all of this propaganda swirls around us and changes the way we think about things.
02:25:28.000And not only can they change the way we think about things that are maybe good for us, like potentially the ability, you know, to have self-defense.
02:25:36.000Second Amendment, built right into the Constitution.
02:25:38.000They change it with propaganda and make it seem like it's a bad thing to care about the Constitution or a bad thing to care about your privacy.
02:25:47.000They also do the same thing on the other side, where they take something that's utterly revolting, like genetically modified foods, as our guest was talking about, and change it around and make it into a good thing.
02:25:58.000Or the idea of taking your kids and putting them into a government institution where they're practically in a straitjacket for 14,000 hours of seat time Between kindergarten and twelfth grade.
02:26:19.000Well, John Rapoport, I want to ask you, when you were talking about this, how they get the elite on board, what I couldn't help but think about is the Toilet to Tap program.
02:26:29.000Now this is a program in Southern California and elsewhere where they're trying to convince the public that it's okay To drink reclaimed sewage water.
02:26:38.000Toilet to tap is the phrase that they want to eradicate, and instead they want to call it water reclamation.
02:26:44.000Is that part of the same propaganda message here, and are they going to succeed with this kind of thing?
02:26:51.000It is part of the same propaganda message.
02:26:55.000I mean, I would counter that by just showing a couple dogs lapping water out of a toilet and saying, is this what you are?
02:27:02.000Is this where you're going to drink from?
02:27:09.000Oh, no, there's not enough to go around, and so everybody has to conserve.
02:27:13.000I mean, Jimmy Carter tried that all those years ago, and it was a total failure.
02:27:17.000Because the truth is, is that there are saltwater conversion plants all over the world, hundreds of them that convert saltwater to freshwater.
02:27:25.000And the only question has been about the cost of doing it.
02:27:29.000Well, when an administration can waste trillions of dollars, untold trillions, on illegal, illegitimate wars, and...
02:27:41.000And buying billions of rounds of ammunition and so on and so forth, we could all run it down for the next 12 days on how all this money is being stolen and spent and taken from people and so on.
02:27:52.000You would think, you would think that a federal government that cared at all would say, gee, I have an idea, let's put up 15 to 20 great saltwater conversion plants around the United States on the coast.
02:28:06.000And we'll produce fresh water because the technology is there.
02:28:49.000That's how you get the takeovers, these public-private partnerships.
02:28:52.000That's how you wind up with all of this.
02:28:54.000I just have to read this, John, because this was blowing my mind here.
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02:36:49.000People writing in saying, you know, it's kind of nice on occasion You know, to hear a woman's voice.
02:36:53.000We've got Melissa doing the evening news, kind of bringing some women into the inner circle of the Liberty Movement.
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02:37:10.000My latest battle, just to keep you guys posted and up to date, is against the RFID badges being worn around students' necks in San Antonio, Texas.
02:37:19.000That's where the school district there has required 4,200 students to wear a remotely readable tracking beacon around their necks.
02:37:27.000I know Alex has been keeping you guys posted on that.
02:38:01.000Keep me in your prayers because that's a big battle.
02:38:03.000If we don't stop it in San Antonio, that nasty program is going to spread across Texas and then it's going to spread across the U.S.
02:38:10.000Then you're going to have every kid in the country Having the expectation that government authorities have the right to literally monitor and record their location every 25 seconds all day long.
02:38:21.000We gotta stop it, we gotta nip it in the bud, and I need your help to do that.
02:38:24.000Alright, John Rapoport, you know, before the break we were talking about Toilet2Tap and GMO.
02:38:29.000What are your views on what they're doing to our kids?
02:38:32.000Because it really feels like the kids are in the crosshairs these days, doesn't it?
02:38:45.000Get them to think that government is the great dispenser of everything good, and that schools and government are really just one thing, which they're turning out to be, of course.
02:38:58.000But it's the malleable brains and minds of the kids that they are working on here.
02:39:03.000But I gotta tell you, That when a kid sees and reads about and watches video of drones everywhere in the sky and tanks rolling down the streets of the United States, U.S.
02:39:18.000Army tanks and so on and so forth, these kids are going to get their own ideas.
02:39:23.000Because the one thing that the government can't do is you can't take the life out of a kid altogether.
02:39:33.000And I've seen that all over the place on the internet.
02:39:36.000And I've seen it in my life, because I used to teach school and private school.
02:39:41.000And I watched what would happen to kids who were, you know, just ground under the heel of teachers, counselors, principals, parents, media, the government, etc, etc, etc.
02:40:13.000They realize this is a big control mechanism.
02:40:17.000We're dealing with here and if you're if you're expelling them for chewing their pop-tarts into the wrong shape or or cutting out the letter L and holding it like a gun you know they're also going to grow up and think that they're they're living in a world of lunatics so clearly that's going to mess with them and I've seen it really go two different directions I'm sure you have as well where either the kids become completely rebellious and say, forget all of this.
02:40:43.000Or they become completely discouraged and docile and on medication because they don't even have the whatever it takes to get through the day because they've been so beaten down and they feel so extraordinarily discouraged.
02:40:57.000So, you know, I think this is really where parents and adults, caring adults, grandparents, aunts, uncles, neighbors, brothers, sisters, people who are aware and alive and vibrant, you know, take a kid out.
02:41:11.000Take him out away from the video games.
02:41:15.000Take him someplace to actually have some real life, real world experiences.
02:41:20.000And let them, you know, feel the wind in their hair and the sun on their face because so many of these kids, I mean, they're living in this artificial world of Madison Avenue and television and video games and having, what was the statistic I read on yesterday's program, less than 30 minutes of meaningful conversation per week for the average adolescent male in this country with their parents.
02:41:58.000It's the whole list of all the officially certified mental disorders.
02:42:02.000And kids are going to be a major target of this.
02:42:06.000Because definitions are going to be expanded to allow more kids to be diagnosed with ADHD, bipolar, depression, oppositional defiance disorder.
02:42:15.000These are all made-up crap definitions that don't correspond to anything in reality at all.
02:42:21.000They're not based on any science whatsoever.
02:42:26.000For any psychiatric disorder, no blood test, no saliva test, no brain scan, no genetic test.
02:42:32.000I've shown that evidence time and time again.
02:42:35.000The whole profession is a complete fraud.
02:42:38.000And what's going to happen with the new issue of this Bible is that they're going to go after these kids in a way that you've never seen before in public schools.
02:42:48.000Diagnosing with these disorders and drugging the life out of them.
02:42:52.000Yeah, let me jump in for just a second, John, because I've got a question for you.
02:42:56.000When you talk about the people putting out this manual, are you talking about the psychiatrists or the psychologists?
02:43:02.000Because I think there's a difference there.
02:43:03.000The American Psychiatric Association is the publisher of the DSM, the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders.
02:43:12.000Because the reason I think it's important to make that distinction, the psychiatrists are medical doctors who prescribe drugs.
02:43:18.000If you go to see a psychiatrist for whatever emotional problem you're having, you will leave with a prescription in your hand.
02:43:25.000If you go to see a psychologist, on the other hand, and my own background is in psychology, human development and psychology, our guest in the last hour, Dr. Philip Zimbardo, a psychologist who's used his understanding of human behavior to try to promote heroism and goodness, I don't want to paint all the psychologists with a bad brush, because I know that there are people out there doing good stuff.
02:43:47.000And the thing about schools is, you see, that through their counselors, the kid is going to get referred to a psychiatrist.
02:43:56.000That's what's going to happen, because that's where the diagnosis is made, and that's what these schools are all tuned up to do by the government.
02:44:04.000We want more diagnoses, and the more diagnoses of these mental disorders you get coming out of the schools, the more federal money pours into the schools, and the more drugs are dispensed.
02:44:16.000And these kids are drugged with killer toxic compounds.
02:44:20.000All the way from the ADH drugs like Ritalin and Adderall to Valproate and Lithium for bipolar, which can actually kill you.
02:44:29.000So this is what we're seeing is the vast increase of the drugging of kids at a younger and younger age by psychiatrists.
02:44:37.000And the schools, although yes, they have psychologists on staff or that they're connected with, The machine pushes these kids into psychiatrist offices where the diagnoses are made and the drugs are given.
02:44:50.000And if the parents are clueless, this kid is going to be destroyed for the rest of his life.
02:44:54.000Well, and it's no surprise, too, because we weren't made for that kind of environment.
02:44:58.000So, you try to jam kids into a sit-down, be-still, don't-move.
02:45:03.000And, you know, childhood adolescents are the two times when people should most be active.
02:45:09.000And here we are, forcing them to sit in a chair and then label them as somehow Uh, ill or, or maladjusted if they can't do it.
02:45:17.000I, I would almost say that the kid who's able to sit in a chair and follow the rules and keep their mouth shut for eight hours a day, 14,000 hours between kindergarten and, and high school, you know, that a kid who's able to do that is one we ought to probably go, hello!
02:45:55.000So he's bored, he's sitting there, and he starts fooling around, biting pieces out of a strawberry tart, and all of a sudden, teacher says, hey, that looks like a gun, we gotta suspend you from school.
02:46:10.000Yeah, and they're sending a message to the kid, you know, don't ever do, you know, don't ever eat your Pop-Tart in any way other than the other kids eat their Pop-Tarts.
02:46:18.000So we're going to bop you on the head.
02:46:50.000He is out shooting a Barrett .50 caliber, killing wild boars with just a pocket knife, getting muddied and bloodied, sunburnt, cut up by cactus, wrestling with his son, running the dogs, painting, getting up early with his telescope to look at the heavens, wrangling with his wife, kissing his daughters on the forehead and fussing over them, thanking God and strategizing the next expansion of the fight.
02:48:08.000And if you're feeling fine, they'll always tell you, if there's anything we can do, if you would like one of these drugs, just let us know which flavor you like, and they will prescribe them to you. - No question about it.
02:48:21.000And to follow up on that, soldiers in the battlefield, going back to 1999, if you wanted to enlist in the Army and you had any kind of history of any psychiatric drug use, including Ritalin, you couldn't get in.
02:48:34.000Now, a mere decade or so later, not only do you get in, But you have to say that you will take psychiatric drugs and not just Ritalin.
02:48:45.000And they give battlefield soldiers that are going out into the field packs of a couple of weeks at least at a time of these psychiatric drugs, highly dangerous antidepressants like Prozac, Zoloft, and so on.
02:48:58.000And these soldiers are self-medicating out in the field.
02:49:01.000Now these drugs cause violent Yeah, and it's not just there.
02:49:15.000You're on with John Rapoport and Catherine Albrecht.
02:49:16.000companies making a deal with the army and the pentagon yeah and it's not just it's not just there they're making the deals everywhere there's enormous you know literally billions of dollars being made in this hey thanks for the call mike want to go to mark calling in from florida hi mark you're on with john rapapurin katherine albrecht go ahead hey john you're on the Yeah, my son was on Orlin in school, and I understand everything you guys are saying.
02:49:39.000I did want to touch on another subject about the Linda Jordan case, about Obama's eligibility fraud, and also Orly Tate, which hasn't been covered in the media.
02:50:15.000Would it be fair to say that patience is a learned behavior?
02:50:20.000I understand people are born with different dispositions, but generally speaking, most of the things that we go through, childhood and early adulthood and so on, we learn how to discipline ourselves.
02:50:35.000We learn how to react and act in certain situations.
02:50:40.000And the reason I'm asking this is because I'm Almost 100% certain that when I was young, I probably would have been diagnosed with ADHD in school, but you know, I had parents and teachers that worked through my... Tell you what, let me let me tackle that.
02:50:56.000Let me tackle that in the other end of this break that actually ties into my area of expertise, developmental psychology.
02:51:01.000So we'll cover that when we come back with John Rappaport.
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02:54:47.000Just before the break, we got a question coming in from a caller who I think has dropped off to hear the answer on the air, but the question being, is patience a learned skill?
02:54:57.000And the answer to that is that human beings go through some pretty well-defined phases.
02:55:02.000Like all of us go through the same phases of development through certain years of early childhood.
02:55:07.000And you can really mess those up if you're not careful.
02:55:10.000But, yes, patience is indeed one of them.
02:55:13.000Where we learn how to moderate our behavior.
02:55:15.000You know, if you look at a little kid, they don't get their way, and they immediately burst into tears.
02:55:19.000And you like to think that adults don't get their way, and we're a little more strategic about how we respond to things than children.
02:55:27.000And, yes, caller, you were absolutely right that it can be the help of an adult.
02:55:31.000You know, normally a parent or a caring adult that's a member of your inner circle who can kind of take you by the hand and guide you through those periods of time.
02:55:42.000Now we're putting it out to the schools, but teachers don't have time to do that for 35 kids.
02:55:46.000You know, my mom is a schoolteacher in the Los Angeles schools.
02:55:49.000She has over 150 kids in her caseload.
02:55:52.000I said to her, Mom, how can you even know their names, much less have an opportunity to sit there And help each one of them with their individual issues.
02:56:00.000And each of those kids has six different teachers.
02:56:16.000You don't see homeschooled kids being prescribed these kinds of medications because homeschooled kids are given the helping hand by the adults to get through those troubles.
02:56:44.000I have younger cousins who are in elementary school in Massachusetts and it's pretty much a norm for the kids to have all these cell phones and smart phones.
02:56:58.000And now they're getting more and more linked into the school system according to what my aunt has told me.
02:57:04.000So my question is, is it really my place to Uh, to talk to my cousins about this and warn them.
02:57:15.000Well I'm looking at the clock and we're about to get cut off here so let me just jump in with an answer and I would say absolutely.
02:57:22.000I almost died of breast cancer and now that I'm coming back the one thing I've learned is if I've got something to say I better say it now because I may not get another chance and the person I need to say it to may never hear it again from anybody else unless I do.
02:57:34.000It doesn't mean you be a pest and you be a pain and you rag on people but it means you say what you know and you provide them with the facts and then you just graciously step back and let them do with it what they will.
02:57:58.000And John Rapoport, my guest, NoMoreFakeNews.com.
02:58:02.000My website, of course, is KMAShow.com.
02:58:06.000I'll be going live on my own radio show here in just a little bit.
02:58:10.000And also, while Alex Jones is out there wrestling wild boars with his bare hands and with a pocket knife, I want to remind you that he will be back next week.
02:58:20.000And I believe Mike Adams is going to be riding shotgun with you here tomorrow.