Breaking news about an Air Force drone crash near a population center in Florida. Also, the use of drones by the military to record citizens in public places and to spy on them has become a routine part of everyday life in America.
00:00:58.000We've got a little bit of video here for that.
00:01:00.000If you guys can pull it up and the people who are watching it can see.
00:01:03.000It's quite a bit of smoke going on there.
00:01:05.000Last time I was here, we had an E6B that was flying loops through Austin.
00:01:09.000There's pictures, if you're watching, of the drone that went down.
00:01:14.000And it's quite a bit of smoke, and it was fairly close to a population center.
00:01:19.000It says, according to an Air Force fact sheet, the QF-4 is tested at nearby Tyndall Air Force Base and at Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico.
00:01:28.000The plane is a modified F-4 Phantom aircraft.
00:01:32.000They say it's been used since the 1950s.
00:01:35.000Now, the last time I was here, Alex called in, was absolutely amazed at the size of this airplane that was flying looping circles around the city of Austin, flying at the level of the buildings, very dangerously low.
00:01:51.000We eventually learned that it was an E-6B that was doing, as I reported, a training exercise in Austin.
00:01:59.000And you have to wonder, if they're doing training, why are they doing training so close to population centers?
00:02:05.000Well, they're doing that all the time, actually.
00:02:06.000We've got numerous incidents of SWAT teams, not SWAT teams, but military exercises in conjunction with our militarized police, with our SWAT teams.
00:02:18.000They're working together, city after city, doing these drills.
00:02:21.000And, uh, arresting citizens who videotape them.
00:03:30.000Now, he joins Paul Craig Roberts, and he joins retired Senator Gordon Humphrey, In criticizing what's going on in America right now, think about this.
00:04:45.000If you don't follow the Constitution that you swear allegiance to, you become merely dictators.
00:04:51.000We're going to be talking about that, and we've got some guests coming up that are going to talk about some local solutions to this tyranny coming out of Washington.
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00:08:08.000Crashing through the lies and disinformation, it's Alex Jones on the GCN Radio Network.
00:08:26.000I'm David Knight, filling in for Alex.
00:08:28.000And just before we went to the break, we were talking about just the former generation of leaders in this country, talking about how illegitimate our government is.
00:08:39.000I mean, these are former senators, former presidents.
00:08:42.000Paul Craig Roberts, who is the father of Reaganomics, former head of policy at the Department of Treasury, They're all pointing out that we have basically had the federal government cut itself loose from the chains that bind them down.
00:08:56.000They've cut themselves loose from the document that they swear allegiance to.
00:08:59.000Understand that when they take office, the oath to the Constitution is essentially an oath to a superior power.
00:09:11.000What they're doing is swearing allegiance to a king and then ignoring and subverting that king.
00:09:16.000Now, we've got an article that's linked on Drudge Report from Jimmy Carter where he says, basically, America has no functioning democracy.
00:09:25.000And as I mentioned just before the break, Paul Craig Roberts said, the American government is an unconstitutional government and an illegitimate government because they no longer pay any attention to the Constitution.
00:09:36.000Now, also breaking yesterday from The Guardian, there was an email exchange between Ed Snowden and former GOP Senator Gordon Humphrey.
00:09:45.000And he said, I believe you have done the right thing in exposing what I regard to be a massive violation of the U.S.
00:09:53.000And so when they got this message, Glenn Greenwald contacted the former senator just to make sure that it was not a prank, that it was actually there.
00:10:04.000And what he did was he essentially clarified it and doubled down.
00:10:06.000This is what he said in the follow-up message.
00:10:08.000He said, this is a senator, former senator, writing to Glenn Greenwald.
00:10:13.000He says, yes, it was I who sent the email message to Ed Snowden thanking him for exposing astonishing violations of the U.S.
00:10:20.000Constitution and encouraging him to persevere in the search for asylum.
00:10:25.000He talked about him being a courageous whistleblower.
00:10:28.000And he said that no effort, he's very concerned, that there is no effort being made to identify and to remove from office and bring to justice officials who have abused power seriously and repeatedly violated the Constitution of the United States and the rights of millions of unsuspecting citizens.
00:10:50.000All you see, discussed on the talk show host, how do we keep this from happening again?
00:10:56.000Andrea Mitchell was interviewing a Democrat from, I think it was Montana, and they were talking about how they could vet security clearances better so this doesn't happen again.
00:11:06.000Nothing at all about making the government obey the Constitution.
00:11:14.000Well, actually, James Madison pointed out, and we read this quote last night in the nightly news, he pointed out a long time ago what was going to happen if we didn't follow the Constitution anymore, and if we didn't understand the traditions that led to the writing of that document.
00:11:30.000He says, do not separate text, that would be the text of the Constitution, from historical background.
00:11:35.000If you do, you will have perverted and subverted the Constitution, which can only end in a distorted, bastardized form of illegitimate government.
00:11:45.000Same words being used by the previous generation of politicians and government officials at the federal level.
00:11:52.000Now, in the second hour, we're going to be talking to Uh, Stan Linick, and if you remember, he was the, uh, deputy.
00:12:01.000You might remember this, uh, when we had the opt-out-in-film campaign with Ashley, Jessica, and Jason Bermas, they went to a New York airport.
00:12:08.000And they were handing out literature, not bothering anybody.
00:12:11.000And they had the police called on them.
00:12:13.000And fortunately, the deputy sheriff who showed up was Stan Linick.
00:12:19.000He stood up for their constitutional rights.
00:12:22.000He refused to bully them because this fellow with the airport, and the fellow who was trying to get the police to bully them, should have known better.
00:12:31.000He was formerly somebody who worked in the media.
00:12:33.000Now that's Stan Linick that we're going to be talking to, and he was Deputy Sheriff of the Year by the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association.
00:12:40.000So we're going to talk to him because, you know, we need to have people who have legitimate authority.
00:12:46.000People who have legitimate authority, or people who put themselves under the Constitution, like Deputy Linick did.
00:12:53.000So we want to talk to him, and in the third hour, we're going to be talking to Kirsten Tynan.
00:12:57.000And she's with the Fully Informed Jury Association.
00:13:18.000Most people don't understand where that power comes from.
00:13:21.000They don't understand the tradition of that.
00:13:22.000They don't understand the... Judges will basically tell juries lies.
00:13:28.000They will suppress information about what the rights and the duties of the jury truly are.
00:13:34.000But let's think about where this is really headed.
00:13:36.000Let's look at somebody who actually lived under the Stasi.
00:13:40.000There was an amazing article that was translated into English and I tried to get this guy to come on so we can interview him but unfortunately he doesn't speak English.
00:13:50.000This is a pastor who lived under the Stasi in East Germany and he has something that all Americans should really think about.
00:14:00.000He talked about living there for For most of his life, up until about 20 years ago when it fell.
00:14:06.000He says, we all recall the fall of 1989 when thousands of people all over German Democratic Republic marched from churches to streets and squares.
00:14:18.000And one of the things that he had done, and he was surprised to find that the Stasi didn't know anything about it, he actually had smuggled in from the West A miniature lab, and he was doing testing of the water because he knew they were putting chemicals into it.
00:14:31.000Not openly, like our government puts fluoride and other things that we know are harmful, things that are banned in Europe.
00:14:39.000They were putting other chemicals in as well as that into the water, and he was doing testing and giving information out about that.
00:14:47.000And they didn't know about that, but they pretty much knew about everything else.
00:14:51.000And one of the things to remember is that it was the clergy Uh, who were instrumental in giving people their freedom in East Germany, just like they were very instrumental in giving people their freedom here in America.
00:15:03.000They called them the Black Regiment during the Revolutionary War.
00:15:06.000And what happened in East Germany was the pastors organized people in the churches, and the churches marched en masse to the wall, to the spots where they would shoot people if they got too close.
00:15:18.000And the soldiers finally refused to fire.
00:15:22.000And it was that kind of a peaceful stand-down, en masse, that essentially brought down the fall of the Stasi and the East German government.
00:15:29.000But I want you to think about what it's like to live under the Stasi.
00:16:39.000Like a fungus, surveillance permeated all of social life and the, quote, service of socialism to protect the country from the imperialistic class enemy.
00:16:49.000It's always necessary to have an enemy.
00:16:51.000Our enemy, of course, is now Al-Qaeda.
00:16:53.000Used to be the communists, when that was no longer a credible threat.
00:16:57.000Now they're holding up these boogeymen in caves.
00:17:00.000And we're going to talk a little bit more about that in just a moment.
00:17:03.000He says, during demonstrations, and this is how pervasive the threat of the Stasi was, that even when they started to have demonstrations that led up to the fall of the government in 1989, he said a huge crowd of people marched through downtown Eisenach in the state of Thuringia, where I live, chanting.
00:17:20.000But the moment the train of protesters passed the headquarters of the Stasi, they fell silent.
00:17:28.000So here you've got a crowd of people who are In defiance of this communist regime and demonstrating, but they are afraid of the Stasi because the Stasi knows everything about them, records everything about them, uses that to control their lives, to control their futures.
00:17:45.000That's what total information awareness is about.
00:17:56.000He says, listen to this, the Stasi not only surveyed the everyday life of citizens, but also influenced our lives.
00:18:02.000In my case, the Stasi sought to document my underground political activities with the goal of gathering enough material to take me to court.
00:18:09.000But they didn't wish to wait until I'd made a mistake worthy of prosecution.
00:18:13.000Instead, they used snitches to plant rumors in my parish and to strip me of the backing of my superiors in the church.
00:18:20.000They even tried to set up an informer on my wife to destroy our marriage.
00:18:24.000Snitches provoked me, engaged me in topical conversations, intercepted letters, intercepted personal contacts.
00:18:31.000Indirectly influencing and manipulating my life.
00:18:34.000And he goes on to say that whenever they would have a meeting, whenever the church would get together, any function, they always knew that there were Stasi members, Stasi informers that were present.
00:18:43.000Then he said they would even cynically extend a welcome to those who, quote, had to be here professionally, unquote.
00:18:49.000So they knew, and he said he never said anything at a meeting that he wasn't willing to go to jail for.
00:18:57.000Because what we're going to see in America is something far more pervasive, something far more dangerous than anything that ever happened with Astazi.
00:19:06.000You can see pictures of rooms full of files, paper files on people.
00:19:11.000They had no way to data mine most of that.
00:19:14.000They collected so much information on people that they really couldn't put it all together.
00:19:20.000But we now have this massive data center that's being built in Utah.
00:19:25.000That is going to use enough water, just, it's so massive, so incredibly massive, so much data storage, so much heat being generated, that they're going to use enough water that they could supply thousands of homes, and that's a big issue out in Utah.
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00:24:23.000I'm David Knight, filling in for Alex today, and we were just talking before the break about the Stasi, life under the Stasi, and a lot of information is coming out about that right now.
00:24:33.000People are very sensitive about that, especially in Germany, because it's come out that We were conducting massive spying on Germany as well.
00:24:41.000And they don't like to be spied on because they have this tradition of the Gestapo and the Stasi.
00:24:46.000And as one person wrote in the Financial Times, her name was Constance Stellensmuller, she wrote, our grandparents' generation feared the early morning knock on the door of the Gestapo.
00:25:13.000They throw in grenades, flash-gun grenades, and they shoot anybody who doesn't understand that they're the police.
00:25:19.000You know, if somebody kicks in your door in the middle of the night, your first reaction is going to be to take defensive action, to grab a gun or something.
00:25:24.000They kill people over and over again for that.
00:25:27.000But that's become standard operating procedure now.
00:25:30.000She said that It was only after the fall of the wall in 1989 that people really understood how much terror was being perpetrated on them.
00:25:40.000You know, people in America still don't understand that.
00:25:42.000And one of the things she mentioned about this was that in Germany, she said, we have a better reason to fear the secret state than most people.
00:25:53.000She said they don't like closed-circuit television cameras.
00:25:56.000We're perfectly comfortable with them in America because we don't understand how they're being used.
00:25:59.000It's also why our Constitutional Court enshrined a fundamental right of data privacy and declared it illegal for Germany to implement an EU directive on preventative data storage.
00:26:09.000You know, if you remember that comedy video, Alex talked to the fellow who did it, I don't recall his name right now, but he was following people, he was a comedian, he was following people around in public places.
00:26:20.000He had a big boom mic and he had some fake earbuds on.
00:27:08.000We don't need our First Amendment freedom.
00:27:10.000I mean, why would you not want to have freedom of speech?
00:27:13.000I mean, that's the most amazing thing to me.
00:27:15.000I mean, that's not anything that... How could you make a case against freedom of speech?
00:27:21.000I mean, people have been totally brainwashed by the state, by the state media, the state-controlled mainstream media, to think that they have to give up everything for their freedom.
00:27:31.000But you know, the opposite of liberty is not security.
00:27:44.000He said the hand of force can destroy them, but cannot disjoin them.
00:27:48.000That's the same thing with liberty and security.
00:27:50.000You know, you can have a government that destroys both your liberty and your security, but you can't have one without the other.
00:27:56.000Now, the interesting thing about this, this is a survey that was conducted by the Newseum, that's a news museum, and they do an annual survey about people's attitude toward the First Amendment, and what they found was That it was up from 13% who really didn't think that we should have free press, or free speech.
00:28:15.000It jumped from 13% to 34%, so more than a third of the people don't think we should have a free press, or free speech, or freedom of religion.
00:28:23.000And it extends to other things as well, as we've said all along about this fight for the Second Amendment.
00:28:28.000If people don't respect the Second Amendment, they're not going to respect any of the other freedoms either.
00:28:32.000If they don't respect that, they're not going to respect the others.
00:28:35.000And interestingly enough, only 4% of the people valued the Second Amendment.
00:28:41.000So they don't really understand their freedoms.
00:28:45.000They don't understand what they're about to lose.
00:28:48.000Now, we've got this contest that we're going through feverishly trying to come up with a finalist and look at all these different films and give them a fair viewing, multiple viewings.
00:28:58.000One of the ones that I saw just recently was a film called Dream, A Dream Revered.
00:29:03.000And you can see these films at Infowars.com forward slash Paul Revere.
00:29:08.000Or just forward slash P I think takes you there as well.
00:29:11.000Now, in this particular film, what got me about it was that it starts with the person's personal recollection about how his jobs have gone.
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00:33:54.000We're going to talk a little bit about the news.
00:33:56.000I've been on my soapbox here about the police state and how America is turning into the Stasi, actually.
00:34:02.000There was, on the Fourth of July weekend, there was an artist, a light artist in Berlin, that actually shone this giant They projected a giant sign on the side of the U.S.
00:34:14.000Embassy that said, United Stasi of America.
00:34:34.000But, I don't know, maybe a definition of character, you know?
00:34:40.000Also last night we had, Jakar and I normally do the nightly news, and we had the world premiere last night of State of Mind.
00:34:48.000Now this is a, you want to talk about how the government controls us.
00:34:52.000You know, there was an article today about a guy, a real life Jason Bourne, that was from Natural News, where the guy has no memory and he's speaking Swedish.
00:34:59.000That's the kind of mind control we typically think of, you know, the kind of MKUltra type of stuff.
00:35:04.000But this is actually, it covers that as well as covers the more The broader aspects of mind control.
00:37:28.000Prince Charles has said the same thing.
00:37:29.000They fly in with their jets and say, you know, you shouldn't drive cars.
00:37:33.000Obama jumps off Air Force One and tells people they shouldn't have cars in Africa because that would raise the standard of living too high.
00:37:50.000They put the employees at McDonald's on this ridiculous budget that doesn't even allocate any money for food or for gas to get to your two jobs that you're gonna have to have.
00:38:00.000Okay, but meanwhile, our government has supposedly this debt limit of 16 trillion, just under 16 trillion dollars.
00:38:22.000And they stopped at about 26, what does it say here, 26 million dollars short of the limit.
00:38:29.000And it's been frozen there since May 17th, you know.
00:38:32.000Yeah, just like you said, nobody's gotten a paycheck, you know, they haven't had another $7 million vacation or, you know, whatever else their expenses may incur.
00:38:40.000Yeah, I guess they put Obama's trips on a credit card or something.
00:38:44.000But you remember, you know, Obama keeps threatening, and I believe it was last year or the year before, he threatened not to pay the military.
00:39:30.000Imagine this scenario, you're driving along and suddenly you're no longer controlling the car.
00:39:35.000That's a scary scenario from some top security analysts who warn that as our cars become more sophisticated, they also become more vulnerable to hackers and even terrorists.
00:40:20.000My concern is what happens when they not only just maybe hack the car, they hack the systems that control these cars or have access to them.
00:40:27.000So, a lot of people say that's far-fetched, but, you know, one of my examples on September 10th, 2001, we thought it was far-fetched to fly four airplanes into a building.
00:40:48.000I mean, yeah, I think it is incredible because they don't even know how many planes flew into, because, you know, obviously you would think that they would take a plane to make a building fall down or more than that.
00:42:06.000But after that came out, after Alex said it, people were laughing at him.
00:42:09.000But then when Richard Clark, who is the former U.S.
00:42:12.000National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counterterrorism, Richard Clark, tells the Huffington Post, there's reason to believe that intelligence agencies for major powers know how to remotely seize control of a car.
00:42:24.000And he says, so if there were a cyber attack on Hastings' car, and I'm not saying there was, I think whoever did it would probably get away with it.
00:42:32.000And then later on in that article, they even say, just a couple of paragraphs down, they say Hastings was driving this Mercedes when he crashed into a tree.
00:42:42.000First of all, if you remember, the only eyewitness that everybody was talking about the first day was Luis Cortez.
00:42:49.000And what he said was, it was driving very fast, it jackknifed, parts went everywhere.
00:42:59.000And if you look at the way the car If you look at how the car is, okay, and where the engine is, there's absolutely no way that those two are going to get separated with that kind of crash.
00:43:10.000If it hit head-on into the tree, it's going to capture the engine and drive it into the car.
00:43:14.000If it hit sideways with enough impact to somehow, I mean anything I guess could be possible, but if it was going to eject it sideways at a right angle to the direction the car was going, that car would have been wrapped around the tree.
00:43:39.000It was a big deal because its fuel tank was compromised in rear-end collisions and you can see highway traffic cameras of it being hit from the back and the entire contents of the gas can are atomized and sprayed everywhere and then catch fire.
00:43:55.000And you see that in these car crashes.
00:43:58.000You see car crash after car crash very, very bad.
00:44:01.000They don't blow up instantly like they do on a Hollywood movie.
00:44:30.000Even if you watch NASCAR races, those guys usually have time to bail out before the car goes up in flames, if it does go up in flames.
00:44:37.000A very good example, there's a video, people can see it on YouTube, it was like a Formula One race, and this one car loses control, maybe it's like a greasy spot on the track or something, goes spinning out of control, crashes, parts go flying everywhere, but doesn't catch on fire.
00:44:52.000Short while later, another car hits the same spot, same thing, starts spinning out, and hits this car in the back.
00:44:58.000Instantly, a giant fireball, okay, because he hit it in the back and exploded the gas tank.
00:45:04.000Now, of course, that guy actually walked out of that giant fireball because he had a fireproof suit, had a helmet, that sort of thing, which a person typically would not have.
00:45:13.000But the point being is that the government can hack into these systems.
00:45:17.000Mercedes has been maniacal about trying to make their cars safer.
00:45:21.000They developed anti-lock braking systems.
00:45:24.000They developed these stability counter steering systems.
00:45:27.000And they have all kinds of systems that can accelerate and slow down your car now based on if it sees that you're going to be hitting somebody head on.
00:45:34.000And even takes a look at Uh, people behind you to see how quickly to put the brakes on, so they have all kinds of controls on these cars, which make them safer, but also makes them hackable.
00:45:45.000We've had a video that we played on the show of a DARPA official talking about how severe a problem that is for the government.
00:45:57.000I believe it was the University of Texas hacked one right here.
00:46:01.000And so people think that it's impossible, it's something that can't happen.
00:46:05.000You know, if you have an older car, you may not have to worry about such things, but people who drive the newer models, you know, it is possible.
00:46:13.000And if you look at this situation with the Hastings car.
00:46:16.000Now, you know, I believe it was a bomb that went up, caused the pieces to fly everywhere, because There was one eyewitness that was interviewed by the Young Turks and he was, I didn't find him to be very credible because it seemed like he was trying to reinforce the official story, you know, and he says, oh yeah, it hit this bump and, you know, I think that's what caused the engine to come out.
00:46:36.000But, you know, whatever you want to say about cars, especially Mercedes, they're not going to have the engine fall out when it hits a bump.
00:47:05.000A cover story, as everybody has picked up, as the mainstream media has picked up, to have him driving at a high speed, under hacking control, and then blow the car up.
00:47:26.000That's pretty much what they want us to do with the Associates, the Jokar brothers, not saying they're innocent or guilty.
00:47:33.000But, you know, it's this repetitive thing that, you know, they just give you more information all the time, all the time, all the time, so you forget about this.
00:47:40.000I'm still waiting to see the surveillance footage from Sandy Hook, you know.
00:48:06.000You know, he's been tried and convicted in the media in the same way that Zimmerman has.
00:48:10.000You know, we have completely lost the whole concept of how a jury works and why you would have a jury.
00:48:16.000I mean, looking at this is an article that's linked on Drudge right now.
00:48:21.000The niece of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
00:48:23.000said that Dr. Martin Luther King would not wear a hoodie.
00:48:27.000And she did that in reaction to a picture that somebody had photoshopped his face into a picture of a hoodie.
00:48:33.000And she's talking about the trial there.
00:48:35.000You know, one of the things that bothers me about this whole thing is that people don't understand why we have juries.
00:48:43.000Just remember with the Boston bombers, the alleged Boston bombers, just the days after they captured the younger brothers, we don't need to inform these guys of their rights.
00:49:00.000And it used to be that if the media was so irresponsible, You know, we have free speech, and we should have free speech, but that doesn't mean that you slander and demonize and libel people, right?
00:49:11.000And so, you know, when they call somebody, when they talk about people before they've had a trial, they used to always say the alleged bomber, the alleged murderer, the alleged whatever.
00:50:06.000I wish more people would understand this.
00:50:10.000Well, I don't know any particular examples off the top of my head, but you know, there are examples where, you know, you charge somebody with, let's say, murder, you know, to get them to, you know, go for manslaughter.
00:50:20.000And it's very, very few trials ever go to a jury anymore.
00:50:25.000One of the reasons is because jurors don't know what their rights are, and they usually turn into rubber stamps for the judge.
00:50:32.000But not in the case of the Zimmerman trial.
00:50:34.000You know, that was kind of interesting.
00:50:36.000And I don't know what your take is on it.
00:50:37.000I mean, we haven't really talked about it.
00:50:39.000Everybody's been talking about this, but we haven't really talked about it.
00:50:41.000To me, it's like one of these things about a self-defense thing that really a jury had to decide.
00:50:47.000You really couldn't decide that in the media.
00:50:48.000Yeah, we talk more about that on the other side.
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00:55:00.000Well, Jakari, talking about body armor, there's a bounty out on Zimmerman's head from the new Black Panthers.
00:55:07.000I always have to put that new in there to distinguish it.
00:55:10.000Larry Pinkney always wants to disassociate himself from the new Black Panthers with good reason.
00:55:17.000So Zimmerman might want to get some of that infidel body armor.
00:55:22.000It's amazing to see the double standard here when they're allowed to publicly put out a $10,000 bounty on his head and yet at the same time we've got an AP news story here that police are charging a website that hosted a murder video.
00:55:39.000Yeah, and they don't want him dead or alive.
00:55:42.000We've seen the t-shirts that say dead or alive and it has alive scratched out.
00:55:46.000And you've got Facebook pages that call for his murder?
00:55:50.000Celebrities tweeting his parents home address.
00:55:53.000I don't even think they were tweeting the correct addresses on those.
00:55:56.000And you and I remember the time, you know, we've been visited, just people make a, you know, a comment about murdering the Bush family or something like that on Planet Info Wars, and they show up at our door, Secret Service.
00:56:08.000We were both here when they showed up.
00:56:10.000People don't believe us when we tell them that story, but we actually had the Secret Service come up.
00:56:14.000It was around Christmas time this past year, and I was just about to leave to get on a plane to go back to Oklahoma, and the Secret Service comes and knocks on the door, and I believe you answered the door.
00:56:24.000Yeah, he flashes me the badge and says, Secret Service, can I come in?
00:56:32.000So yeah, we went around and talked around with people.
00:56:34.000You know, they don't hesitate to come to the door about a little spurious comment on our website, but somebody takes out an entire Facebook page, they start doing t-shirts, they start putting out dollar bounties to have him killed, they have absolutely no problem with that.
00:57:03.000And you look at the Black Panthers, how the Department of Justice just passed on doing anything about them turning voters away, threatening voters at polling places in Chicago.
00:57:11.000We know that the government has used counterintelligence to create groups like the Ku Klux Klan And groups like the New Black Panthers, and this is absolute proof of it.
00:57:23.000No other group, unless they were a government, COINTELPRO operation would be allowed to do something like that.
00:57:28.000And also the, I don't know if you want to call them an organized group, but all these riots, and I'll call them rioters because they're not protesters.
00:57:35.000You don't protest by jumping on innocent people's cars in the middle of L.A. and tearing down gates of Walmart.
00:57:41.000That doesn't seem like a protest to me.
00:57:42.000But these people are going out, and regardless if they were really actively pursuing justice for Trayvon, you have plenty of people who are just opportunists, using it as an excuse to go tear up stuff and go loot people's homes and so forth.
00:57:54.000Even if they believe that the jury made the wrong decision, how do you justify pulling out an innocent person who hasn't done anything to anybody?
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00:58:27.000He's the Deputy Sheriff of the Year from the Constitutional Sheriffs and Police Officers Association, and we're going to talk to him about real law enforcement, constitutional law enforcement.
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01:01:12.000They have now rewritten the rules for what it passes for a safe exposure to radiation, and raising it from the current goal of 1 in 10,000 to 1 in a million Americans, they're going to have fatal cancers, but they have Raise this by about a factor of, I think, a thousand in the article it says here.
01:01:35.000So, if you don't get the, if they're worried about radiation from Fukushima, then the solution is not to actually address the problem.
01:01:46.000They did human testing in order to justify their fine particulate matter regulations.
01:01:52.000They did human testing feeding diesel exhaust directly into people's aspirators.
01:02:00.000Deliberately searching for people who had respiratory and heart problems so they could create an incident which would justify the regulations.
01:02:09.000Exposing them to levels that were up to 70 times what the EPA had already said would not just make you sick as EPA Administrator Lisa Jackson said.
01:02:18.000She clarified this in a congressional hearing.
01:02:21.000She said this is not just going to make you sick.
01:02:23.000I'm talking about stuff that will kill you.
01:02:25.000And so they took that level that they had presumably determined already And fed that up to 70 times that level to people trying to provoke an incident.
01:02:34.000So, is the EPA really looking after our health?
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01:08:36.000I'm David Knight, filling in for Alex, and we have joining us in this segment, Stan Linick.
01:08:42.000Now, if you've seen that video about the op-ed and film campaign, where actually Jessica and Jason Burmess went to an airport, and they were trying to hand out some literature, and the airport official took exception to that, and tried to
01:08:58.000really tried to bully a police officer into arresting them throwing them off the property and uh... there's some video if you're watching this right now that is officer linick right there and he basically mediated uh... this dispute and uh... listen to both sides and he understood that they were not doing anything in this public place that was against the law and he stood up for their free speech rights and then as a result of that uh... officer linick uh... was
01:09:26.000Given the award from the Constitutional Sheriffs and Police Officers Association this year, he was given the award of Deputy Sheriff of the Year because that video went pretty viral.
01:09:49.000I've seen that video many times and I tell you what, what you did there in that airport is what we all wish the police would do everywhere.
01:09:57.000Be calm about that and just listen to both sides, make a determination.
01:10:04.000So many times we see the police just losing it and going out of control.
01:10:09.000Tell us how you approach law enforcement.
01:10:23.000When Ashley Jessica and Jason Burmiss came to the airport, as I talked to you a little bit earlier about, is they were polite, they were kind, they stood their ground, they knew their rights, and You know, it actually made my job a little easier, you know, when you're dealing with someone who is courteous and, you know, and they showed me, you know, utmost respect, and I really appreciate that.
01:10:50.000Well, you know, a lot of times we have officers, though, who essentially initiate a conflict, and this is a case I don't imagine you've seen this.
01:10:59.000We just had, just south of Austin here is a town called San Marcos.
01:11:04.000And there's an article here, it's actually made national news.
01:11:07.000San Marcos cop faces a felony rap for assaulting a woman during an illegal arrest.
01:11:12.000Now, according to the police chief, Howard E. Williams, he said, I won't prejudge the internal investigation.
01:11:19.000I haven't heard what the officer has to say yet, and I'll reserve judgment until that happens, he said.
01:11:24.000But there are standards, and I think it's fairly obvious that what we think about is conduct that night.
01:11:29.000And that we were the ones that went down and filed the criminal charges.
01:11:33.000It was actually the police chief who filed the criminal charges after reviewing surveillance camera footage.
01:11:38.000He says, I believe what he did was criminal.
01:11:40.000And a Corporal Palermo said that, actually it was a Commander Perry Dunn said that Corporal Palermo, who's the one who's charged, the woman in question did not make contact with the driver or with the police officer.
01:11:54.000What was happening with this from what we've been told with the Surveillance camera, what the police department has said was he had pulled somebody over on a stop.
01:13:44.000I'm just reading the article based on the fact that after the police chief and the police commander reviewed the video, he essentially arrested her.
01:13:55.000He threw her to the ground and then arrested her.
01:13:57.000They released her and then after they reviewed the footage, they charged him with a felony.
01:14:03.000So, you know, she wasn't like brushing right up against him, I don't believe, but for some reason he took exception to it.
01:14:08.000And I guess the question that we all have, you know, we know that when there's a, when there's a shooting involved, there's always going to be an internal investigation, correct?
01:14:17.000Okay, but when there's a taser involved, or some other form of quote-unquote non-lethal force used, because you don't always have, you know, tasers are not always non-lethal.
01:14:30.000People have permanent injuries, brain injuries from that when they hit the ground.
01:14:33.000So, I don't believe, now correct me if I'm wrong, are there automatic investigations when non-lethal force like tasers are used?
01:14:41.000Well, I can tell you this, and just speaking from experience with my department, anytime use of force is committed, whether it's deployment of a taser or pepper spray or anything like that, the officer involved has to fill out a use of force form.
01:15:00.000And when he fills that out, he has to state specifics of why he used that force.
01:15:05.000And it goes directly to the immediate supervisor.
01:15:08.000The supervisor reviews that and basically says, okay, he used the appropriate amount of force, you know, and with it, you know, all of our traffic stops and everything that pretty much that we deal with, everything is recorded.
01:15:23.000We have cameras in all our cars and The supervisor reviews that, and he makes a determination now, did he use the appropriate amount of force?
01:16:51.000Well, you know, we've had situations where there was a video, perhaps you've seen this one, this also went viral.
01:16:59.000A woman is sitting on a curb, handcuffed with her hands behind her, and she's smart-mouthing, obviously, the cop and getting him really annoyed, and he basically does a roundhouse kick to her head.
01:17:48.000You can't just, you know, I wish everybody was like you and was level-headed and respected the law.
01:17:54.000But, you know, when you've got bad cops, I mean, what do we do to correct that?
01:18:01.000Because we can have corruption inside the police force.
01:18:03.000I mean, do you have any suggestion about that?
01:18:05.000You know, I wish I had the answer to that.
01:18:07.000Because if I did, you know, I'm sure everybody would be looking to me for advice with that.
01:18:16.000But I really can't, you know, give a definitive answer as to, I guess what each police officer needs to do is remember their oath of office.
01:18:29.000Remember why they are in law enforcement to begin with.
01:18:36.000And that brings us to your award from the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association.
01:18:41.000Tell us a little bit about that organization.
01:18:43.000I actually had the opportunity to go out to the convention out in Missouri.
01:18:49.000Sheriff Mack was kind and generous and flew me out there for the convention.
01:18:58.000It was very eye-opening as to the things that are going on in this country that is just abuse of government, abuse of the federal government on law-abiding citizens.
01:19:14.000You know, it's actually sickening as to what, you know, things are happening in the federal government.
01:19:22.000And that's the other big concern, I think, of Americans everywhere.
01:19:26.000It's not just, you know, a rogue cop and that they can brutalize people and many times get away with it.
01:19:33.000But it's this systemic corruption that is coming from the militarization of the police and from the central control of the police in Washington.
01:19:42.000And we're going to talk to you more about that right after the break.
01:19:45.000We're talking to Stan Linick, the Deputy Sheriff of the Year from the Constitutional Sheriffs and Police Officers Association.
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01:24:11.000Why the unions are big business fans And they're going out and got dinosaurs While they used to grow food in Kansas Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show.
01:24:24.000I'm David Knight, and I'm joined on the phone here with Stan Lennig.
01:24:29.000He's a police officer from New York, actually a deputy sheriff, and he was given the Deputy Sheriff of the Year Award by the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association.
01:24:39.000And he did it for a video that you probably have seen.
01:24:43.000It was Ashley Jessica and Jason Burmess were filming and handing out flyers at the airport in relation to the opt-out and film campaign that was going on this last, I guess it was just before Christmas, wasn't it guys?
01:24:59.000And that's Officer Linick and he basically defended their right to do that against a local airport official who was trying to get him to shove them along.
01:25:10.000Officer Lenick, I guess one of the things that I found interesting about that was the fact that you had absolutely no problem being videotaped.
01:25:19.000We see cops go absolutely ballistic and get violent over the fact that somebody's videotaping them, but you had no problem with that.
01:25:27.000No, of course not, because the fact of the matter is whenever I'm on a traffic stop and walking around the airport and everything, I'm being videotaped.
01:25:35.000Everything is audio and videotaped, especially in the patrol car.
01:25:40.000So, I mean, I have no problem being videotaped.
01:25:44.000Well, you know, there seems to be... I got nothing to hide.
01:25:48.000You know, when I see a cop who gets so upset about being videotaped, it's like, If you're doing your job, if you're doing the right thing, why would you be concerned about that?
01:25:58.000And that was precisely the point is that you weren't doing anything that you had to be ashamed of.
01:26:03.000And we had court decision after court decision after court decision overturning local regulations, overturning laws, and standing with the fact that citizens have a right to videotape in public documents.
01:26:14.000There is no expectation of privacy for anyone if you're walking around in public.
01:26:18.000Especially no expectation of privacy for someone who is a representative of the government.
01:26:24.000Essentially, you know, doing law enforcement, that sort of thing.
01:26:27.000So I found that very interesting that, you know, as opposed to the officers who will basically get in people's faces and start punching them if they're videotaping, you had no problem doing that because you were not doing anything wrong.
01:26:40.000And I might add, too, that, you know, several times when I've stopped someone, they pulled out their cellular phone and they videotaped me.
01:26:51.000And whether they told me if they were doing it or not, I personally really don't care because, like I said, I do everything, you know, every time I do a traffic stop or, you know, what have you, a dealership, I have, you know, it's kind of like the same speech You know, and I just do it the same way every single time.
01:27:11.000And, you know, like I said, I got nothing to hide and I don't mind being videotaped.
01:27:17.000You know, if you're not doing anything wrong, if you're doing the right thing, and if the person is doing the right thing, you know, they're videotaping.
01:27:26.000You know, you're videotaping for your own protection.
01:27:28.000You're videotaping out of your car for your own protection.
01:27:30.000If everybody's doing everything the way they should be doing it, and that's the whole point of the Opt Out and Film campaign.
01:27:38.000Ashley Jessica was really getting manhandled by the TSA, and once her brother started filming it, They completely changed the way they approached her, the way they, uh, everything that they did completely changed.
01:27:51.000The point is, is that they knew they were being filmed and they knew that this was a film that they were not going to control.
01:27:57.000You know, the police know that they're being filmed but they believe, in many cases I think, that they can control that.
01:28:03.000You know, I've told my family what they need to do.
01:28:05.000They get pulled over, they need to start filming it, and they need to make sure that it is streaming live to a service like Ustream or something like that, so that even if the police officer takes away the camera or stops it, as we've seen in many cases, that's already gone up, and it's already preserved up their lives, so they've basically got a record of what's going on for their protection, you know, if the police officer's not going to do that.
01:28:30.000Let me ask you about the practice that is happening in New York City, because you're in upstate New York, is that correct?
01:28:37.000Albany area, actually, the capital of the state.
01:28:39.000Well, you know, down in New York City, you know, there's a lot of things that happen down in New York City that are, at this point in time, aberrant behavior.
01:28:47.000We hope they don't become standard behavior throughout the rest of the country.
01:28:51.000But one of the things that they're doing is this, just kind of stopping people on the streets and, you know, kind of like the, you know, the Gestapo, you know, your identity papers, you know, kind of doing a sidewalk audit.
01:29:02.000What do you, how do you feel about that?
01:29:04.000Well, I mean, if you as a police officer, if you have no reasonable expectation that criminal activity is afoot, and, you know, you want to talk to somebody, there's something that says you can't talk to somebody, but they don't want to give up their, you know, information or their driver's license.
01:29:23.000If they're not doing anything wrong, there's really nothing, you know, you can do.
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01:33:29.000I'm David Knight and we're talking to Stan Lennick.
01:33:33.000He's the Constitutional Sheriff and Police Officers Association Deputy Sheriff of the Year.
01:33:38.000We're talking to him about what it's like to actually respect the Constitution as a sheriff, as a law officer.
01:33:45.000Uh, Stan, uh, thank you for joining us, and you know, we were talking just before the break about these, uh, kind of these sidewalk, massive, uh, uh, I guess sidewalk blocks, they're not roadblocks, you know, they're doing in New York City, where they're auditing people there.
01:33:59.000I guess that's one of the things that people are really concerned about, is almost kind of like reverting to a Gestapo type of environment, where the police can walk up to you and Without any reason that you're breaking a law and start demanding identity papers from you and, you know, various other things like that.
01:34:17.000That's not something that you're doing in your jurisdiction right now, but we're seeing that all the time near the border of our country, not too far from where we are.
01:34:27.000They've essentially declared a constitution-free zone where they believe that they can search and frisk you and your car without any reason, kind of like we see the NSA going through people's Right.
01:34:37.000metadata going through their actual phone calls and their email messages without any reason for suspicion, without taking it before a judge.
01:35:25.000You know, and that's where, you know, you're getting yourself into, you know, the police officer himself could be getting himself in trouble by, you know, taking it that step further and not having a reason to You know, ask somebody for their identification.
01:35:44.000You know, we've got this competition, this film competition that's going on, Operation Paul Revere, and I was just reviewing one of the films last night.
01:35:53.000People can find that at Infowars.com forward slash P or forward slash Paul Revere.
01:35:59.000One of the things that they were talking about how tyranny had looked under the Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, and they had a picture of some signs, and this sign was up in multiple languages, French, English, Cambodian, and in English it says, the security of regulation, and it has several different steps here.
01:36:18.000One, you must answer according to my questions.
01:36:51.000This is the kind, you know, this is where tyranny essentially, what it eventually winds up with when you have people who don't respect the rule of law, who don't respect the Constitution.
01:37:04.000Now you said that you learned quite a bit when you went to the Constitutional Sheriff's Convention about that.
01:38:04.000A sheriff from Milwaukee, if I remember correctly, him saying, you know, God wrote the Constitution and, you know, and gave it to us.
01:38:15.000He wrote the Ten Commandments and he gave us the Constitution.
01:38:19.000And, you know, you really don't need Any other, you know, laws than that?
01:38:27.000I mean, you know, it's... And it's a very dangerous thing when you have, as we began the program, we had quotes from Jimmy Carter, we had quotes from former Senator from New Hampshire, Gordon Humphreys, we had a quote from the former Treasury Department official, Paul Craig Roberts, all of them talking about how illegitimate our government has become because it is
01:38:51.000Separated itself from the Constitution and once you do that your government is illegitimate and it's even more dangerous than that because we see it from the police officer on the street to the occupant of the Oval Office that when they sever themselves from the Constitution Basically, they become dictators.
01:39:18.000It's essential that we have a rule of law, that we have something that people swear allegiance to, and that we hold them to that allegiance.
01:39:26.000We're going to take some calls right now.
01:39:36.000The first thing, I mean, it's hard for me, it's kind of a hard question to ask, but like, do you really think that we're still living under the Constitution with people, you know, judges saying that they don't allow the Constitution in court and, you know, people getting arrested for playing with toy guns and stuff like that?
01:39:55.000I mean, are we really under that or what's going on here?
01:40:01.000You know, getting arrested for toy guns, I mean, that's absolutely ridiculous.
01:40:05.000I mean, what is this country coming to when, you know, you have You know, kids.
01:41:17.000Okay, I just wanted to bounce an experience off of your guest there about what happened to me.
01:41:24.000I was in a federal park with a friend of mine on my mountain bike and ran into this federal park ranger who, like you're saying, he acted like he was just a complete gestapo You know, officer towards us.
01:41:39.000You know, we were on a dirt road and he says, you know, put your bike over there and get down on the ground.
01:41:52.000And, um... Why do you think he did that?
01:41:55.000You know, being an American and being, you know, raised to believe that I live in a free society, I said, well, you know, what authority do you have to make me sit on the ground?
01:42:05.000And that's when he really freaked out.
01:42:11.000What exactly were the precursors to him coming up to you?
01:42:16.000I guess I need a little bit of elaboration on that.
01:42:19.000Yeah, was that an area where you were not allowed to ride a bike or something like that?
01:42:22.000Were the regulations about not riding a bike in the park?
01:42:26.000Apparently so, but there was no sign posted and I thought it was you know, a place where you could ride.
01:42:35.000Instead of just, instead of just telling, you were concerned about the way that he comported himself towards you, that he would get real hostile immediately in the situation instead of just telling you, informing you that you've got to stop.
01:42:52.000And just to force you down on the ground, because if you look at, if you just look at world history, who was that person who told you, you can sit on the ground and now you can rise?
01:43:20.000And not only that, I look at history and, um... I mean, you can mouth off to the king back, you know, hundreds of years ago, or the queen.
01:43:29.000I mean, you know, Anne Boleyn, who was Queen of England, would ride down the street in her carriage and everyone would shout whore at her because she wasn't that popular.
01:43:37.000And now you can't even blink at a government employee.
01:43:42.000Well, you know, I think, I think, Stan, that kind of goes back to respect for the Constitution, what we were just saying, that if you don't have any respect for the Constitution, the rule of law, you can kind of become, fall into that trap of being a dictator, right?
01:43:53.000Power corrupts people, and if you, if you are, if you are the law, instead of enforcing the law, then basically that is the ultimate corruption.
01:44:23.000Let me just give you a little background.
01:44:26.000I noticed shortly before Fast and Furious was busted, That my county PD worked with the ATF in order to create a sting operation using a fake pawn shop to purchase illegal firearms.
01:44:40.000And they got over 270 stolen firearms and, you know, dirty guns.
01:44:46.000Also, they infiltrated the drug culture, their own drug culture even more, and fed the system.
01:44:53.000The same operation occurred in many other large cities in the same time period.
01:45:01.000Mr. Lennick and Mr. Knight, do you think that police departments may have helped the ATF find 30 firearms in order to fund the Mexican drug cartels that were supported by Wells Fargo and Huacovia?
01:45:25.000I mean, I can't... I mean, especially where I'm at, it's pretty rural.
01:45:32.000I mean, our airport is not really that big.
01:45:37.000It's called an international airport for the fact that we have one flight to Canada there and back a day.
01:45:42.000You know, so as far as, you know, what we do here is There's a gentleman by, uh, Pastor Muller who, uh, works in the city.
01:45:54.000And what he does is he, um, he takes, he takes in cooperation with the Albany Police and the Sheriff's Department, um, it's kind of like a gun buyback.
01:46:05.000Um, whether the gun is legal, illegal, whatever.
01:46:08.000Uh, you bring a gun to one of these, um, one of these events and you're given a $100 gift card.
01:47:10.000A concern some people have had is that, you know, a lot of times if somebody's got a gun, maybe they got it from a relative who used to know how to use it and wasn't afraid of them, but sometimes they might get those guns, if there's no questions asked, it might be a stolen gun.
01:47:23.000You know, we see many cases where they're putting information out as to the location of gun owners.
01:47:28.000That's almost an open invitation for somebody to break in there, steal it, and if there's a program out there where they can just turn it in with no questions asked, that's also a concern I have.
01:47:41.000Thank you, sir, and Deputy Sheriff, I'm asking your opinion.
01:47:45.000I was attending a public meeting and I wanted to address an item on the agenda and awaited my turn.
01:47:51.000And when it was my turn, after taking three pages of notes, About this very issue, the county judge broke the quorum and, before allowing me to ask my question about the $25 million of taxpayer dollars going to a profit-making hospital, he asked me, and only me, he said, well, do you have anything relevant to say?
01:48:12.000To which I responded, please, judge, stop asking me such idiotic questions.
01:48:17.000And that was reason enough for him to call over the deputy sheriff, escort me out of the building, Banned me for, actually, banned me for four months.
01:48:28.000They took me out of the building and put me in handcuffs.
01:48:32.000Luckily, a more mature, knowledgeable sheriff or sheriff deputy stopped them from taking me to jail on that question, but I'm still, to this day, I'm banned from public speaking at a public meeting.
01:48:54.000Judges basically have their own little fiefdom and kingdom that they operate under.
01:49:01.000We're going to be talking about that in the next hour with someone from the Fully Informed Jury Association.
01:49:07.000They have a lot of leeway with what they can do, charging you with contempt issues, but to go that far and ban you from speaking at any public meeting, I don't see what the legal support for that is.
01:49:17.000That's against your First Amendment right of freedom of speech.
01:49:40.000I know I've seen quite a handful of videos where a police officer is manhandling or what appears to be an assault on camera and later on it turns out that his boss or a prosecutor or somebody actually charged that officer with assault.
01:49:56.000One video in particular was down in Texas where one officer ran up to another officer who had a guy in handcuffs.
01:50:03.000The guy in handcuffs wasn't struggling.
01:50:05.000He in his back threatened to kill him if he moved and then was subsequently fired shortly after the fact.
01:50:12.000My question to you is, is if you were in that situation and you saw an officer doing something like that that you knew wholeheartedly and within the law was completely and totally uncalled for, would you act on that by, I don't know, maybe arresting them or, you know, maybe arresting them or, you know, doing whatever you could to stop them from assaulting that person?
01:50:35.000Well, what I would do, of course, is, you know, if the threat is immediate, you know, I'd say, hey, back off.
01:50:43.000And then I would, you know, I would have to, you know, go to my supervisor and say, hey, look at, you know, he's already in cuffs.
01:50:49.000And I know the guys that I work with, And I know this, you know, I believe this wholeheartedly, that all the guys that I work with would not do such a thing.
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01:54:26.000I'm David Knight filling in for Alex, and we are talking to Stan Lennon, Deputy Sheriff of the Year from the Constitutional Sheriffs and Police Peace Officers Association, and we want to talk to him a little bit about what was discussed at the Constitutional Sheriffs Convention where he got the award.
01:54:45.000You know, what is it That the public can do to stand with constitutional sheriffs and law enforcement officers.
01:54:53.000I mean, we've got a situation right now where there's a sheriff in Florida That was deposed and is facing criminal charges because he let someone go that he felt was falsely arrested.
01:55:07.000And his deputies, I guess, complained to local law enforcement.
01:55:11.000But what things, other than a full-blown conflict like that, what can we do to kind of sort that out?
01:55:18.000How do we tell who the good guys are when we're voting for sheriff?
01:55:27.000A sheriff is an elected position and I'm sure their opponents or whoever is running against them, if they hold a public forum, a question and answer forum, I think that's an opportune time to pose these questions to your local elected sheriffs.
01:55:48.000Now, you said you learned some things when you went to the convention.
01:55:53.000Now, the Constitutional Sheriffs Association has a questionnaire as well as some literature that citizens might get and basically take that to their police department or to their sheriff's department and give that to them, right?
01:56:06.000I guess if they're not receptive of that, that kind of tells you something right there, doesn't it?
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01:56:59.000We've got Dan from Virginia on the line.
01:57:01.000Dan, do you have a question for Officer Linick?
01:57:04.000First, you know, like everybody else, congratulations for doing the common sense, honest thing, following the Constitution.
01:57:11.000It's just like a lot of people I see are intellectualizing about kids with guns, Pop-Tart guns.
01:57:20.000To me, it's all coming down to conditioning the public.
01:57:23.000But they're saying all these new laws are for our safety.
01:57:27.000Now, do you feel that all these new additional laws, like, I understand the common sense of no texting, because a lot of people don't have common sense to drive, let alone text and drive.
01:57:37.000Do you think a lot of these additional laws, quote unquote, for our safety, Are just giving the police more probable cause to pull people over.
01:57:49.000Number two, based on Holden, you know, Eric Himmler, I call him, he has the perjury.
01:57:58.000He hasn't answered yet to Fast and Furious and Benghazi, but yet he's bringing additional, wants to bring additional charges against Zimmerman.
01:58:17.000As far as holding and wanting to bring charges, additional charges against Zimmerman, I mean, first of all, now you want to put a man in double jeopardy, which, you know, according to any court of law, that is illegal.
01:58:33.000When all these Dan, I wish we could hear the end of this.
01:58:38.000I wish we could get those other questions, but we're out of time.
02:01:26.000He recognizes that, as do all officers who really follow the law.
02:01:33.000Now we're going to have in the next segment, we're going to be talking to a representative from the Fully Informed Jury Association.
02:01:39.000And we're going to talk about what goes on in court.
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02:01:56.000Unfortunately, alcoholism went up, addiction rates went up, violent crime and corruption of the police went up during alcohol prohibition.
02:02:04.000The same thing that we have seen with drug prohibition.
02:02:07.000It's not about whether or not alcohol is good for you or bad for you.
02:02:10.000It's not even about whether the drugs are good or bad for you.
02:02:13.000It's about what prohibition does, the way it corrupts society, the way it destroys the rule of law, destroys our rights.
02:02:21.000And so, you have certain rights, and that prohibition was ended effectively by a lot of juries who refused to send people to prison for violating alcohol prohibition rules.
02:02:31.000We've seen the same sort of thing happen in some notable trials about marijuana and some other issues.
02:02:37.000And so we're going to be talking to Kirsten from the Fully Informed Jury Association about the role of juries.
02:02:44.000Not only what their rights are, but what their duties are.
02:02:47.000You know, you're there to make sure that justice is done for your fellow man.
02:02:52.000And I know that when we had the reporters contest, which is how I got here, my video was on fully informed juries.
02:03:00.000And I was amazed to find, when I talked to people on the street, so many people believed that it was their role as a juror to do what the judge told them to do.
02:03:13.000You know, they had basically turned over their reason and their rational thought and any skepticism to just a blind obedience to authority.
02:03:24.000And that's why so many of us who are called conspiracy theorists, we're actually conspiracy researchers, we're conspiracy fact-finders, because We don't blindly follow everything that the government tells us, because just because someone works for the government doesn't make them an angel.
02:03:39.000It also doesn't make them an authority figure.
02:03:42.000If they get outside the rule of law, if they get outside the Constitution, they don't have any authority.
02:03:50.000And we're going to talk about what is told to people in courtrooms by judges, and we're going to be having her coming up in the next segment.
02:03:59.000Now, one news article that really caught my eye today, excuse me, came from...
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02:04:37.000He follows a shriek of guitars down a corridor into a mosh pit by strobe lights.
02:04:41.000It's hot as hell and looks like it too.
02:04:43.000Men on stage are made up as demons and slashing through a song about damnation.
02:04:48.000It seems like when you get into eugenics, there's always some kind of a satanic connection, even at this level.
02:04:54.000And although it may have some beneficial effects, we have to worry about things like Gattaca, if you've ever seen that science fiction movie.
02:05:02.000We're going to be right back, and we're going to talk about fully informed juries, so stay tuned.
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02:08:07.000I have sworn upon the altar of God eternal hostility against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
02:08:36.000I'm David Knight, filling in for Alex, and we're going to be talking about a form of tyranny that is not just over the mind of man, but is creeping over our entire society, and that is the loss of a time-honored Tradition of liberty, not even a tradition, really a mechanism of liberty.
02:08:57.000And we're going to be talking to Kirsten Tynan, who is with the Fully Informed Jury Association.
02:09:03.000She is trying to inform jurors what their rights are, as well as their duties under the law.
02:09:09.000This is one of the most important things that we have As citizens, it's been said you've got the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.
02:09:21.000Well, we don't want to have to use the cartridge box.
02:09:24.000The electoral box is really pretty well corrupted.
02:09:27.000And the jury box is very rarely even being used now.
02:09:31.000Nearly every trial, everyone who is charged with a crime, ...does a plea bargain rather than going for a jury trial.
02:09:41.000And so we're going to talk to Kirsten and we've got her on the line right now.
02:09:49.000Now, let me tell people a little bit about you.
02:09:52.000It says on your bio here that your pro-liberty activism began in school while you were studying mechanical engineering.
02:10:00.000Actually, I'm an engineering student myself.
02:10:02.000I worked for a while, but not as a mechanical engineer, but as an electrical engineer.
02:10:08.000What did you do in college when you were starting your activism?
02:10:13.000I was a member of a political group and we did things like we hosted the Million Marijuana March in Tucson and we hosted debates on campus and things like that.
02:10:22.000Well it's interesting that you bring that up because I talked this last fall to the New Jersey weed man who basically, this is a fellow who had marijuana, medical marijuana exemption in California and he took a lot of marijuana with him to New Jersey.
02:10:39.000I think he had something like over a pound of it.
02:10:42.000So much so that they were charging him with being a dealer.
02:10:47.000And he decided that he thought he could get hung juries to let him off if he went with Fully Informed Jury Association.
02:10:54.000Of course, a lawyer won't make that kind of a plea.
02:10:57.000So he represented himself pro se and in his first trial he actually put up a placard of the New Jersey Constitution which says that jurors have a right to judge the law As well as the facts of a case, and in that case he got a hung jury, even though the judge told him to put it down or he's going to throw him in jail.
02:11:16.000The next case the judge was friendly and let him keep that sign up, which is basically just a printed sign of the state constitution.
02:11:24.000And that's the first judge censored that, the second judge didn't, and in the second trial he got off by 12 to nothing, he was acquitted.
02:11:31.000Right, and there are many state constitutions that explicitly discuss jury nullification in one context or another, and yet in virtually no state except for New Hampshire now, a recent development happened last year there, but in virtually no state except New Hampshire will a judge let anyone argue jury nullification directly to the jury, even though
02:11:53.000You know, if you look back in America's history, one of our Supreme Court justices was impeached in part because he was trying to deny this right of juries.
02:12:05.000Supreme Court judge to ever be impeached, right?
02:12:07.000That was one of the articles... Exactly.
02:12:08.000One of the articles of impeachment against the only Supreme Court Justice ever impeached was that he did not fully inform the jury.
02:12:16.000And yet what we have today, and this is why as we began the show we were talking about how Jimmy Carter says we're no longer a democracy, we've got Senator Gordon Humphrey saying that Ed Snowden has exposed unconstitutional, illegitimate functions of government and what he's concerned about is that nobody is talking about punishing the people who are doing this
02:12:35.000and then we have paul craig roberts who is one of the chief economists for ronald reagan saying that our government is no longer legitimate because why it doesn't follow the constitution and it doesn't follow the traditions that are behind all of this it's very very disturbing when we see uh first of all most people are not bothering to get jury trials because the juries have become such rubber stamps for the judges because they they basically lie to them about their rights and their duties. - Right.
02:13:03.000Even in New Hampshire, New Hampshire last year passed a statute stating that the defense must be allowed to argue jury nullification to the jury.
02:13:13.000And this was invoked in the case of Doug Darrell, a medical, I'm sorry, I think a religious marijuana user.
02:13:20.000And he actually won his case, but in a more recent case, that of Rich Paul, the defense argued jury nullification.
02:13:27.000The prosecutor in the closing statement acknowledged the right of jury nullification, but discouraged the jury from using it.
02:13:35.000And then the judge went ahead and used the standard spiel that judges give juries, telling them that you must follow the law as I have given it to you.
02:13:45.000That case is now in appeal, and I think part of the grounds for that may relate to jury instructions.
02:13:52.000And that's the key thing, like you said, that even though they've had this law recently passed in New Hampshire, what that law said was that the judge could not punish anybody for bringing up jury nullification.
02:14:05.000But it didn't mandate that they actually tell them what the law is.
02:14:08.000It allows judges to essentially lie to the jurors.
02:14:13.000It's not clear that it allows judges to lie to the jurors.
02:14:18.000I think that will be something that will have to be hashed out in court.
02:14:23.000But I think there's good reason to think that that is not what the law says.
02:14:27.000If you read the law, it doesn't specifically state anything about what the judge is or is not to do.
02:14:33.000It's specifically addressing what the defense must be permitted to do.
02:14:40.000But we have these cases in virtually all courts now, where the judge tells them, you must do what I say, and in most cases he'll tell them that they're not allowed to judge the law.
02:14:51.000They're only allowed to look at the facts of the case, and that simply is not true.
02:14:56.000That's not true from our historical background, and it is not true from the letter of the law.
02:15:02.000That is actually totally incorrect what the judges tell people.
02:15:06.000If you look at one of the earliest Supreme Court cases in the United States history, our first Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, John Jay, in fact, explicitly stated that it was a right of jurors to interpret the law as well as the facts.
02:15:20.000He said that judges are assumed to be the better interpreters, but it is in fact the right of juries to do their own interpretation if they see fit.
02:15:31.000There was a Supreme Court case which ruled that judges no longer had to inform jurors of their rights and responsibilities, but it did not overturn that right.
02:15:42.000So by simply not informing them, it used to be as commonly understood That jurors could refuse to enforce unjust laws, as it's understood today that we're going to get called for jury duty.
02:16:17.000Yeah, let's talk about that a little bit.
02:16:18.000You know, that goes back, most people have heard of William Penn, the founder of Pennsylvania, a Quaker.
02:16:24.000And really, it kind of goes back to his trial back in England, where he was arrested because they had a law that said they didn't have freedom of religion, basically.
02:16:36.000And so they told him that they could not meet as Quakers.
02:16:40.000They violated that law as a matter of conscience and they met and they actually chain-locked the church house building.
02:16:48.000So they met on the steps, they arrested him.
02:16:50.000It was a clear violation of the law, yet the jury let him go.
02:16:54.000And it established habeas corpus, which says, you know, show us that, you know, we actually what they did was they tried The judge was so outraged that he locked up the chief foreman of the jury, Edward Bushnell, locked him up for quite a period of time, and he was eventually let go by habeas corpus, where people said, show us the law that the foreman broke when he allowed him to go, and they didn't have a law.
02:17:20.000And so they established habeas corpus as well as a right of jury nullification in that trial.
02:17:24.000Right, as well as freedom of religion and freedom of speech.
02:17:31.000I mean, that guy really was essentially, you know, it was torture of the day and still stuck to his guns.
02:17:38.000And so that's something that I wish people would really take to heart because so many times I get calls in the office from someone who will say things like, well, I didn't want to vote guilty, but everyone else was and I felt pressured.
02:17:56.000We have to watch each other's backs and that was something that was explicitly said by Patrick Henry and others.
02:18:03.000They said that the only way this is going to work is if we cover each other's backs, essentially, to paraphrase what he said, if we cover each other's backs and we are in a trial when the government brings something against us.
02:18:14.000We talk all the time about laws that are absolutely absurd, laws that are unconstitutional, laws that are unjustifiable, unlawful, and yet We can actually be stopped.
02:18:26.000We don't have to beg for our political leaders to do some of these things.
02:18:29.000We can refuse to send our fellow citizens to jail and yet we have the highest percentage of people incarcerated of any country in the world.
02:18:37.000We have more people actually in absolute numbers.
02:18:41.000Then China, with a population many times ours, we have more people in jail than Communist China does.
02:18:46.000So we basically don't have juries who are standing up, who are seeing that justice is done for them.
02:18:51.000And as I said in a report that I did in a man on the street, I was absolutely amazed to have people argue with me that, no, no, no, you have to do what the judge says.
02:19:00.000You shouldn't seek justice for your fellow citizen.
02:19:02.000You should just do what the judge says.
02:19:04.000And in fact, I'm actually encouraged because we have recently had several cases that have been very public where jurors have in fact refused to convict.
02:19:14.000And you can see, you know, look at them.
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02:25:15.000Now just before the break, Kirsten, you were telling us about some current, you were beginning to tell us about some current cases that involved fully informed juries.
02:25:23.000Yes, and I just want to mention everyone can go look on our website FIJA.org for more information about each of these.
02:25:31.000The most recent one that I'm aware of is the case of Jeff Olson in San Diego who was outside of Bank America on a public sidewalk and in chalk, you know, stuff that washes off when it rains or someone walks on it.
02:25:46.000wrote some political statements on the sidewalk and was eventually charged with 13 counts of vandalism for that, putting him at risk of a maximum penalty of $13,000 fine and 13 years in jail.
02:26:00.000This is what the city attorney thought was appropriate to charge him with.
02:26:05.000And offered him a plea deal that he turned down.
02:26:08.000He wanted to take it before a jury and good for him for doing that because the jury acquitted him on all 13 charges.
02:26:15.000And what was especially funny about this case was that while it was going on inside the courthouse, police had chalked off an area on the sidewalk outside where they were permitting people to chalk messages in his defense.
02:26:27.000And that was not considered vandalism.
02:26:29.000It was a clear case of selective enforcement.
02:26:33.000It's just amazing how absurd the laws have become, you know, because we've cut ourselves loose from, you know, the Constitution, from basically, you know, these rational boundaries, and when you don't have boundaries like that, anything can happen.
02:26:52.000The key thing being that he went to a jury trial, because, you know, when you've got really absurd laws like that, you need to go before a jury, but quite often, Jurors don't really understand what their rights are.
02:27:28.000Well, we publish a variety of literature and anyone can request a free Jury Power Information Kit from us by calling us at 1-800-T-E-L-J-U-R-Y.
02:27:40.000And that same literature that you'll receive in there, we have activists across the country distributing at courthouses, at festivals, at community meetings.
02:27:49.000We have people who speak across the country, do all sorts of outreach, and so We also celebrate, since you mentioned the William Penn case, we're getting ready for September 5th, which is Jury Rights Day, in commemoration of that case.
02:28:06.000And on Jury Rights Day, we have people all across the country doing all kinds of community events.
02:28:13.000Banners that people will hold outside.
02:28:15.000We've had people march in parades with our banners and give out information at tables at county fairs around that time because it's around Labor Day.
02:28:24.000So we have a lot of different ways and we invite everyone to visit us at feja.org to find out how they can get involved and volunteer if they'd be interested.
02:28:34.000Yeah, it really is an educational effort at this point, because people have been so hoodwinked and lied to about their rights.
02:28:40.000It's one of the reasons this is the citizen's rule book that we put in every order that we send out.
02:28:45.000And if you look at this right at the very front of it, even before it gets into the Constitution, it talks about jury rights.
02:28:51.000The jury has the right to judge both the law as well as the facts of the case in controversy.
02:28:54.000That's from our first Chief Justice, John Jay.
02:28:59.000Over and over again, as you mentioned, it's a tradition that has been reinforced by Chief Justices, by history, by the law itself.
02:29:06.000Many state constitutions have that written into the law.
02:29:09.000Let's take some calls from people about this issue.
02:29:20.000Um, you know, you're talking about the importance of a jury trial.
02:29:24.000Well, it goes to, you know, traffic, um, court, especially here in Oklahoma.
02:29:29.000It's a criminal offense, and if they change the Sixth Amendment into where unless there's six months in prison or $1,500 in fines, you don't have the right to a trial by jury.
02:29:40.000And so you don't have a chance to win in a bench trial because the state is prosecuting you, the state is testifying against you, and the state is judging you.
02:29:48.000My suggestion would be us try to get the Sixth Amendment changed back because... Hang on, hang on, we'll get to you right after the break.
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02:33:45.000You know, juries are there to watch your back and if you're ever fortunate enough to be on a jury you need to watch The other person's back.
02:33:51.000You need to make sure that the laws are really just laws.
02:33:54.000That they're constitutional laws and that they're also just laws.
02:33:59.000Now we were just talking on the, we had a caller on the line, Tyler from Oklahoma, and he was telling us, Tyler, you were telling us that they have basically done away with juries in Oklahoma, unless it's over a certain amount of money, is that correct?
02:34:13.000Yes, uh, the Sixth Amendment was changed, I believe it's everywhere, um, is that unless they're six months in prison or $1,500 in fines, you don't have a right to a trial by jury.
02:34:23.000So therefore in traffic violations, you know, they'll give you a $250 ticket and it doesn't make sense to go hire an attorney for $1,000 to $1,500 to represent you, so of course you're just gonna plead guilty and it's just a creative monopoly in a sheep line.
02:34:41.000Um, my issue is, is I think if we get the Sixth Amendment changed to where we don't have that restriction and we would have juries, um, you know, we would be able to have the opportunity to present cases such as, you know, the right to travel.
02:34:56.000Supreme Court cases saying that you have the right to travel and, you know, Of course, you're never going to win that type of case in a bench trial.
02:35:03.000So if you have a jury actually reading cases such as the right of a citizen to travel upon public highways and to transport his property thereon either by carriage or by automobile, automobile is not a mere privilege, which a city may prohibit, permit at will, but a common law right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of but a common law right which he has under the right Thompson versus Smith, if they were to read stuff like that, they would wake up and realize that the government has conditioned us starting off with such things as commerce license, marriage license, hunting license.
02:35:34.000Well, you know, and it's broader than that, Tyler, because, you know, we have situations like the IRS has their own tax court, right, which is an administrative court.
02:35:42.000It's not really a constitutional court.
02:36:22.000And if they have a law that says, well, the Sixth Amendment doesn't apply unless it's over a certain amount, that has no more effect than if they say, well, if you're within 100 miles of the border, that's a Constitution-free zone.
02:36:34.000I mean, they don't have the authority, and neither actually does the Supreme Court have the authority to amend the Constitution.
02:36:40.000There's a very specific process for where the Constitution is amended, and it isn't done by fiat of some state legislature or even by the Congress.
02:36:50.000And one tactic that I want to mention that is similar to what the caller was talking about is that in the state of Oregon, there is a situation that I became aware of last year where several, I mean dozens and dozens of Occupy protesters have been arrested and treated like criminals.
02:37:11.000Once the public spectacle was over and it became clear that that was going to be a big problem in the court system, the district attorney decided to drop the charges to the level of essentially a traffic ticket.
02:37:23.000And so they started getting bench trials for things for which they had been treated as criminals.
02:37:30.000Well, a non-related case was going through the appeals court in Oregon at the time, and it was ruled that these defendants could not, you couldn't do this bait and switch on these defendants.
02:37:41.000They were to be given the right to trial by jury.
02:37:44.000And last I checked, that's still being argued, but it was a question of whether or not they were going to get jury trials, whether or not all the charges were just going to be dropped because it was clogging the courts.
02:37:55.000Or whether the district attorney, I guess in that case, was going to appeal the charges.
02:38:00.000But it's a very common tactic that they will treat you as a criminal when they're arresting you, when they're jailing you, before you get to court.
02:38:07.000But once you get to court, they want to change the rules so it's more favorable for them in court.
02:38:12.000Well, you know, and as people are listening to this, they're thinking maybe, well, you know, I'm a law-abiding citizen, I would never do anything to offend the government or whatever.
02:38:20.000Let's remind people that it wasn't, it was just a couple of months ago that we had a fellow on a beach release three or four heart-shaped balloons.
02:38:31.000Uh, as part of a anniversary or proposal or something like that.
02:38:34.000And he was charged with multiple felonies because each release of a balloon was considered to be a felony.
02:38:40.000You never know when you're going to be swooped up by the police state that's here.
02:38:44.000And there's the article right there we've got up there.
02:38:48.000Man faces five years in prison for releasing balloons on the beach as a romantic gesture.
02:38:52.000You never know when you're going to be swept up by these insane laws and you need a jury of people who have a mind and a backbone to stand up for you against these ridiculous laws and you need to stand up for other people as well.
02:39:03.000And let me tell you what's going on there.
02:39:06.000We are seeing a huge trend in this country of prosecutors overcharging people, just increasingly excessively, because they don't want a jury trial.
02:39:17.000They don't want you to go to a jury trial.
02:39:21.000So they will charge you with something That is ridiculously excessive, and then they will offer you the carrot of you can get off with a slap on the wrist kind of thing.
02:39:31.000And what I like to tell people is that if the prosecutor is willing to settle for, I don't know, a fine or community service, but if you go to jury trial, they want to nail you for 80 years, and that is an actual case, Then, what is the math there?
02:39:48.000The math is that your right to trial by jury, they're charging you 80 years of your life to exercise that.
02:39:55.000The difference between what they're willing to settle for in court and what they're willing to settle for if you simply knuckle under to petty authority, that is the price you're paying for a jury trial.
02:40:06.000And that is disrespecting our right to jury trial.
02:40:09.000It's using it against us if we exercise it.
02:40:11.000You're better off to represent yourself pro se than to get into that kind of stuff like that.
02:40:15.000I mean, you know, and go for a fully informed jury plea, just like the New Jersey weed man said.
02:40:20.000You know, in that first trial where he got over half of the jurors to let him go, he said he put up the law from the New Jersey Constitution, even though the judge threatened him and made him take it down right away, threatened him with contempt and was going to throw him in jail.
02:43:13.000I called because, unfortunately, I called because I wanted to know if both the sheriff and the prosecutor are involved in criminal activity.
02:43:26.000How in the world can you get that to stop with a jury, especially when The grand jury thing is a scam and the people basically have to come in.
02:43:36.000If they don't come in to be on the grand jury, they are arrested.
02:43:40.000And they have to stay there until a true bill or no bill is back.
02:43:44.000And they're not allowed to investigate anything.
02:43:51.000There's not much that a jury can do in terms of getting rid of a sheriff or a judge who is corrupt if that doesn't end up in court.
02:43:59.000That's just not something that a jury can do.
02:44:02.000But what a jury can do is refuse to check their conscience at the courthouse door and refuse to enforce the things that such a A government agent as a corrupt judge or corrupt sheriff is trying to push.
02:44:18.000And what I encourage people to do is to keep their mouth shut about jury nullification once they get to the courthouse.
02:44:24.000Because if it becomes clear at any point that you are aware of your full authority as a juror to refuse to enforce unjust laws, you can be excluded during voir dire or you can even be removed during deliberations.
02:45:14.000Like in New Hampshire, that's a different situation.
02:45:16.000If you're sure that everyone else is kind of on board with that already, that's one thing.
02:45:21.000But don't try and do a 12 angry men scenario where you're the one lone juror convincing everyone else that jury nullification is the way to go.
02:45:28.000Because as exciting and dramatic as that seems, it's not likely to play out that way.
02:45:33.000And that's a real important point to make there, Kristen.
02:45:36.000I'm glad you brought that up because at any point, you know, you can get, if you come in there as a juror, the defense or the prosecutor can throw you out for any reason.
02:45:45.000And the judge can take you off if you're in jury deliberations and you start talking about jury nullification.
02:45:51.000He can remove you at that point, you know, because they always have jurors and they always have alternate jurors.
02:45:55.000So the point that Kristen just made is very, very important.
02:46:09.000Talk about your objections, you know, to what's going on.
02:46:13.000Even if it was clear that the person violated the law, but like it was in the case of the New Jersey weed man, it's clear that he violated the law.
02:46:31.000there even if you're going to nullify it because you disagree with the law you can still say that your you find issues with uh...
02:46:38.000the courts case and you can hang the jury if you hang tough eventually they'll have to just declare that it's a hung jury and go but if you tell people that you're there to nullify the law they're going to remove you in most cases uh...
02:46:50.000let's go to bill in california bill you have a question happy to see you there it's nice to have a a sane man at the microphone a little humor here We have a district attorney who's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
02:47:07.000And he arrested a woman for passing out FIJA information on the courthouse steps.
02:47:16.000Well, and he hemmed and hawed and hemmed and hawed, and about six months later, it finally dawns on him that the only way to prosecute this case is to show the jury the literature she was passing out.
02:47:30.000And as we... - Catch 22, right? - One thing I'll say about that is that people are starting to figure out that if they go for a bench trial of some sort, then they can get around the jury in that case.
02:47:48.000But it is in fact not jury tampering to hand out our literature.
02:47:54.000We as an organization advocate neither for nor against any case in progress.
02:47:59.000We are simply doing general juror education outreach.
02:48:03.000And so what we encourage activists to do to try and help protect themselves from these inaccurate kinds of charges is not to do this in conjunction with any sort of court case advocacy.
02:48:19.000And if there is a case that is of particular interest in the community at the time, I suggest going out a few weeks in advance and go out every Monday or, you know, whatever, once a week in advance to establish yourself as part of the landscape and establish that you are not there advocating for or against that case.
02:48:37.000You're simply doing general juror education outreach, but do be aware that in some cases, If there's an order from the court or something of that nature, they may harass you in a way that does not get you before a jury.
02:48:56.000You know, Julian Hykland that I talked to, he has a video of some officers coming out of a court and trying to entrap him by saying, you know, tell me what you're doing here.
02:49:16.000They can't charge you with jury tampering if you're handing out general literature talking about the rights of jurors and not specifically mentioning your case.
02:49:35.000They have to show, like the caller said.
02:49:37.000The thing is, they're certainly not supposed to charge you, but following the law is apparently a very challenging thing for law enforcement officers.
02:49:49.000They're still charging people for videotaping officers in public even though there have been court case after court case after court case and people keep winning judgements.
02:49:59.000They can do anything they want but at some point, and that's what we're talking about, at some point if the jurors are informed they're going to stand behind you.
02:50:05.000Mark in Florida, do you have a question for Kirsten?
02:50:09.000Oh yeah, yes I do and I'd like to tag along on the last caller.
02:50:14.000You can file a bar grievance against every attorney.
02:50:31.000A gentleman was jailed in Florida for handing out FIJA.
02:50:36.000And I was wondering if FIJ has a habeas corpus template or something to help get these people out of jail because they are falsely accused, falsely charged, and once they can get out, then they can file the complaints against the officers that are locking them up.
02:50:53.000Hang on, we're going to get the answer for that question.
02:50:55.000Hang on right after the break and Kirsten Tynan from FEJA is going to tell us about that right after the break.
02:51:01.000So stay tuned and find out the answer.
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02:52:08.000We the people grow cotton, weave fabric, engrave ink, embed strips and fibers to protect from counterfeit, then carting to a private bank, having it lent back at interest, forcing taxes to service debt.
02:52:19.000Or was Jefferson correct when stating a central bank issuing the public currency is a greater menace to the liberties of the people than a standing army?
02:52:25.000Ted Anderson, I'm placing a free silver dollar in a book that explains our monetary system.
02:55:01.000They're not just something we shoot off on the 4th of July.
02:55:03.000And inside there, you're going to find one of the first things you come across is about jurors.
02:55:08.000And it says, the only power the judge has over the jury is their ignorance.
02:55:12.000And we're trying to end that ignorance by informing people what their rights and duties are.
02:55:17.000And we've got Kirsten Tynan, as I mentioned, from FEJA.org online.
02:55:21.000And we just had a caller ask you about, if you're doing a literature handout on the courthouse steps, and they decide to unlawfully charge you, do you have an information packet that helps with that?
02:55:33.000We actually have guidelines for activists to avoid getting arrested in the first place.
02:55:43.000That plays right into the hands of the government.
02:55:46.000It's a script that's been written by the government and they know how to act that out very well.
02:55:51.000So, in the case in Florida where there was an order not to hand out a certain literature, we actually were in the process of challenging that civilly when it was violated.
02:56:02.000And unfortunately, once someone got arrested and it was reported in the news that they were associated with us, our court challenge was thrown out of court, which was unfortunate.
02:56:12.000We had pro bono representation from the ACLU and from the Walters First Amendment Law Group down in Florida.
02:56:19.000But we have elsewhere in Florida been very successful.
02:56:22.000We had an activist who did indeed assert his rights and go through the process without getting arrested to insist upon those rights.
02:56:31.000And there's now a memo on our website from David B. Eddy, Administrative Judge of the Circuit Court Fifth Judicial Circuit, State of Florida, that states, and I quote, "Based on principles of free speech, I believe that whoever is distributing the handouts in question has a right to do so.
02:56:47.000Accordingly, I see no reason why the handouts must be excluded from the jury assembly room.
02:56:52.000I believe we may trust jurors to follow the law as instructed by the judge." So, this person obviously disagrees with jury nullification, but he has stated it's perfectly within our rights to distribute that.
02:57:05.000And without anyone getting arrested, we have a memo from this judge in that district, so... Well, that's great.
02:57:11.000You know, that's the important thing, is that you get the word out that we established a legal precedence, that we don't have the bad publicity that somebody got arrested for exercising their constitutional rights.
02:57:22.000But again, I would remind people that, you know, just as we occasionally have police jurisdictions where they arrest people for videotaping, that is your right.
02:57:30.000And if you don't exercise your rights, you will lose them through apathy, through non-use.
02:57:36.000And so it is important that you stand up, even though there may be some consequences for it.
02:57:43.000And you definitely can insist upon your rights in a way that is not going to put you at as much risk as in the case where the arrest happened in Florida.
02:57:53.000That individual didn't even get a jury trial.
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