On this episode of The Alex Jones Show, Jones is joined by Paul Joseph Watson to discuss the non-indictments from the grand jury in the Garner case and the reaction to it. He also talks about the White House playing White Christmas at Rockefeller Center and the controversy surrounding it.
00:00:36.000I'm David Knight, your host today on this Thursday, December 4th, 2014.
00:00:39.000Things are getting really crazy, folks.
00:00:43.000Not only these grand jury non-indictments, but the reactions of people.
00:00:48.000We've got a story up on InfoWars right now.
00:00:51.000Left has gone insane saying that White Christmas is now racist.
00:00:56.000They had actually had people tweet that out.
00:00:59.000Uh, angry about the ceremony at Rockefeller Center where they lighted the Christmas tree and played White Christmas saying that that was racist.
00:01:06.000That's the story up by Paul Joseph Watson and he's going to be joining us in the second hour.
00:02:38.000They're actually training what, in the State Police Academy, we had a veteran instructor angry about the fact that they were teaching what he said was a shoot first curriculum.
00:02:50.000This veteran police instructor at the police, the State Police Academy, called them out on it and basically they wouldn't do it.
00:02:57.000He resigned or, I don't know if he resigned or they fired him, but basically he wouldn't do it.
00:03:04.000They're changing the way they're teaching the cops and of course we've been covering the militarization of the police.
00:03:08.000We see the equipment that they're giving them.
00:03:10.000Now of course Obama has come out with some prescriptions for correcting this and there you see that picture that was up in New Mexico and of course they got that on film and of course we got the filming of Of Mr. Garner, who was just killed, but, you know, the solution is going to be get more cameras.
00:03:31.000It's just going to, that's not changing anything.
00:03:33.000If you don't change how you're instructing them, essentially the rules of engagement, because they're being told they're working in a military environment, if you don't change that mindset, That they're out there, that there's people who want to kill them, and if they don't shoot first, they're not going to come home to their families.
00:03:52.000If you don't stop that, if you don't stop the military mindset, it isn't going to do any good to have the cameras out there.
00:03:58.000But he's also come up with some other solutions.
00:04:00.000We're going to take a look at the former police commissioner, or maybe he still is a police commissioner in Philadelphia.
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00:08:44.000We've got an article up on Infowars.com.
00:08:47.000The left has gone insane saying, White Christmas is now racist.
00:08:51.000That was a tweet from somebody angry about the ceremony yesterday in New York at Rockefeller Center, of course, in the wake of the non-indictment of the officer who murdered Eric Garner.
00:09:16.000We're going to look at people's reaction.
00:09:18.000We're going to look at real racism, manufactured racism.
00:09:22.000Not just from people on Twitter talking about how white privilege is on display here, but we're also going to talk about the manufactured racism of Eric Holder and Obama, and we're also going to talk about Obama's proposed solutions.
00:09:40.000There's non-solutions of getting more cameras.
00:09:42.000Hey, they recorded what happened there.
00:10:49.000He was told on occasions to go out and arrest people on Halloween.
00:10:54.000He said they told him to go out and just pick up the first three to five people that they get, bring them back, we'll work out the charges later, don't stick around and do the paperwork, and then go out and get another three to five.
00:11:06.000He's got recordings of them saying that.
00:11:12.000Well, when they found out that he was recording these arrest quotas, these illegal actions that they were giving... Oh, and there's another thing I've got to tell you too.
00:11:21.000Adrian Schoolcraft pointed out that they were covering up serious crime meanwhile going after people really hard on small minor variations things like we just saw with the Eric Garner case you know when you got bankers who steal billions of dollars from people and they get interest-free loans yet you got one guy with a petty crime selling some loose cigarettes and he gets killed on the streets
00:11:50.000That's what has been going on for a very long time in the city of New York.
00:11:54.000That's what Adrian Schoolcraft was primarily showing.
00:11:57.000He was showing that when people would report a rape or a car theft, they didn't want those serious crime statistics to show up.
00:12:04.000They wanted to show that crime was going down.
00:12:06.000Giuliani bragged about that, you know, he's getting serious crime down.
00:12:10.000Well, the way they did it was they would show up and they would say, your car really wasn't stolen.
00:12:14.000Don't you remember that you had a cousin who you loaned it to?
00:12:19.000Because if you file this as a car theft, you're going to be tied up.
00:14:53.000So they do this secretly, as there was an article that was from Breitbart, and I gotta say, it was one of the most sycophantic articles I've ever seen for the system, by Ben Shapiro.
00:15:07.000One thing, though, that he has in here that's correct, he says, the charges.
00:15:10.000First of all, it's vital to note that nobody knows exactly what the charges filed with the grand jury were against the police officer.
00:15:16.000According to ABC News, the charges could have included second-degree manslaughter, criminally negligent homicide, felony assault, reckless endangerment.
00:15:29.000Whenever I've contacted district attorneys to try to get information on cases, I've been told by district attorneys, this is a grand jury situation.
00:16:13.000And you know, I just can't remember because there was just so many important things going on.
00:16:17.000Wasn't it important to take the statement of the police officer?
00:16:20.000And of course, they talk about how whenever they show up on a crime, their assumption is that a police officer has been attacked and is the victim.
00:16:50.000That means when you go before a grand jury, you've got about a 99.9999% chance of getting indicted if they take you before a grand jury because they control, the prosecutor controls the entire process.
00:17:02.000If they don't indict you, it's because they don't want to indict you.
00:17:05.000When you look at the Darren Wilson thing, any defense attorney that isn't absolutely convinced that the police are on his side is not going to let his client testify at all.
00:17:40.000So we're going to talk a little bit about that, about people's reactions to it.
00:17:42.000We're also going to have Joe Biggs joining us in the next segment.
00:17:45.000He's going to join us in the segment before the bottom of the hour because one of the stories that's come up is a story about Michael Hastings has resurfaced again.
00:17:54.000We see some emails within the FBI that have been released because of a FOIA request.
00:18:00.000And we see that they're talking about how they can put down these conspiracy theories surrounding the death of Michael Hastings and of course that's how Joe Biggs essentially got hooked up with Infowars initially and as part of that investigation because he didn't want to take the mainstream media's lies on that.
00:18:20.000He was very angry about what had happened.
00:18:50.000I want to know what you think about these situations in New York and in Ferguson.
00:18:55.000And of course, we've got a lot of other stories that are coming out.
00:18:57.000Before we get to the serious news, though, there's a story that was on Drudge, a couple of stories.
00:19:04.000One, about the hundred missing brains in Texas.
00:19:08.000We have, at the University of Texas, they had a hundred brains go missing.
00:19:12.000And we've done Men on the Streets there, and I was just surprised that it was only a hundred brains that are missing, because whenever I've gone down there to do Men on the Streets, it seems like there's a lot of missing brains.
00:19:21.000But these are brains that were actually stored in bottles, and they've now found, they believe that they were destroyed about a decade ago.
00:19:31.000Interesting Another article that was on drudge.
00:19:35.000Mice implanted with human brain cells become smarter.
00:19:41.000This would be funny if it wasn't so dangerous.
00:19:52.000If you're thinking that this is a way to unleash really dangerous chimeras with this kind of genetic experiments, that's what I'm thinking.
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00:24:21.000Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show, I'm David Knight, your host today, and with me in studio is Joe Biggs, our reporter who joined us, really got in touch with us because of the Michael Hastings investigation.
00:24:41.000We were looking at this, now we've got a story saying that the Emails that were released as part of a FOIA request show the FBI was working to debunk quote conspiracy theories now of course the entire The term conspiracy theory is something that was created by the FBI to shut down investigations And questions about the official story about the JFK assassination And we had some real questions about this Michael Hastings death from the get-go as we were just talking about
00:25:11.000I immediately knew when I looked at this and saw the pictures of the engine down the road at a right angle to where the car had crashed into the tree.
00:25:22.000I knew that that didn't happen from it crashing in the tree.
00:25:25.000When you crash a car into a tree, the engine is not going to be ejected 150 feet or 200 feet or whatever down the road.
00:25:32.000It's going to be captured into the car.
00:25:34.000And you could also see that the fire was contained to the front of the car.
00:25:37.000It did not involve the rear of the car.
00:25:41.000And I did a lot of research about car accidents after that, specifically because of that.
00:25:46.000Because it's something of an urban legend that Hollywood has.
00:25:50.000We drive a car off a cliff and it immediately explodes.
00:25:53.000That doesn't happen unless it's a rear-end collision and the gas tank is ruptured.
00:25:58.000And that gas tank, the rear end of that car was still in effect.
00:26:00.000Well, even then though, I mean, I've actually shot a car, you know, being in combat and shot gas tanks before and watched them explode.
00:26:08.000It blows up and the fire isn't even that bad.
00:26:11.000It takes hours to get to the point where what happened in the Hastings crash.
00:26:16.000Now you gotta think, he's traveling down, you know, his direction of path.
00:26:39.000And we knew that he had made a lot of enemies in Afghanistan, when you were talking to him, and with McChrystal, who is, you know, the guy, the general in charge there.
00:26:50.000So we knew he had a lot of powerful enemies.
00:26:52.000He was almost kicked off of Air Force One as well, when he was doing the Panic 2012 book about the Obama campaign.
00:26:59.000He had a lot of enemies in high places, and this happens.
00:27:01.000And then we learned that he was, WikiLeaks said that he was being investigated.
00:27:06.000And so it's just one thing after the other.
00:27:09.000As you start to look at it, it all starts to unravel.
00:27:11.000The physical evidence, then the video that surfaces, then the emails that surface.
00:27:15.000But talk about, just before we came back on, just before we had the break, you were talking about the unusual aspects of this FOIA request and the investigation.
00:27:27.000So when you submit a FOIA request, there's a few things that happen.
00:27:31.000For this one, the original FOIA requests were based off of the media chatter.
00:27:38.000Hey, because of the email that I had released and all that, was he being investigated by the FBI?
00:27:43.000And maybe that's the reason why he was leaving at such high speeds in the middle of the night or early morning, however you want to look at it.
00:27:50.000Well, when you submit a phobia request like that, they're supposed to come back with a confirm or deny as to whether or not they're investigating that individual.
00:27:59.000Well, this didn't happen in this case for some reason.
00:28:01.000They flat out said no, they were not looking into Michael Hasings.
00:28:09.000It's like I said, it's a confirm or deny.
00:28:11.000So, like I said, they flat out said, no, we're not.
00:28:14.000But then a year later, they came out and said, well, actually, we were looking at Michael Hastings for what they called controversial reporting in his Rolling Stone article about the Bo Bergdahl, the last American prisoner of war.
00:28:28.000So it just goes to show you that they were so quick to say, no, we have nothing to do with this.
00:28:34.000And now they're trying to scramble around, apparently, and debunk these conspiracy theories.
00:28:39.000Well, we always catch them in a flat out lie.
00:28:45.000We are skeptics who investigate the official story, or any story that people have.
00:28:50.000And we ought to come to these things with a healthy dose of skepticism.
00:28:54.000That's really the only kind of objectivity that you can really have.
00:28:56.000If you're investigating a murder as a police detective, you don't want to come in and say, well, I was told by his wife that such and such happened, so I'm not going to investigate her.
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00:33:37.000Welcome back to the Alex Jones Show on this Thursday, December 4th.
00:33:49.000We're going to be joined in the next hour, Paul Joseph Watson.
00:33:54.000He's been looking at reactions to the Eric Garner non-indictment that didn't happen.
00:33:59.000The police officer was not indicted for the death of Eric Garner, the man who was choked to death or who they caused to have a heart attack because he was selling single cigarettes on the sidewalk.
00:34:13.000Something that New York City is very serious about, getting their taxes and of course harassing petty crime that they can get revenue out of letting the serious crime go.
00:34:23.000That was a story of Adrian Schoolcraft, a New York City cop, and I talked about what he did recording the police for a couple years.
00:34:31.000Let me tell you what they did when they found out about it.
00:34:35.000As we see so often, it's not the person who exposes...
00:34:40.000Illegal activity exposed by a whistleblower.
00:34:43.000They don't arrest the people who are conducting the illegal activity, as we see over and over again.
00:35:23.000And when he went missing, because they took him and put him into an insane asylum, he was there for several days before his father, the retired cop, was able to find him.
00:35:32.000He began a large lawsuit in the city of New York.
00:35:35.000And he was a key witness in the stop-and-frisk cases and hearings that were going on where the New York City Police Department would just stop people on the street and frisk them for no apparent reason, for no probable cause.
00:35:50.000Now we're going to look at some good cops who've had some Besides Adrian Schoolcraft, we've had several cops actually file suit in Illinois.
00:37:14.000On a limited amount that we have right now, and once that's out, it's going to take us several weeks to get that back in, perhaps six weeks to get that back in.
00:37:51.000Now I want to go to some of your calls, but first I want to just hit some of the high points, some of the headlines of some of the other articles we're going to talk about later on in the show.
00:37:59.000We have Texas has filed as part of a 17 state lawsuit challenging Obama's unconstitutional amnesty executive action.
00:38:07.000And of course our governor-elect is the current Attorney General, Greg Abbott.
00:38:12.000He has sued the federal government over a lot of illegal activity and it's been a target-rich environment actually under the Obama administration.
00:38:24.000And Texas is, so it'll be interesting to see what happens with that.
00:38:27.000Also, Obama, he got caught a couple of days ago saying, as he was getting heckled, he was trying to pull it back, he obviously got flustered, and he said to the demonstrators who were heckling him because he hadn't done enough for illegal aliens, he goes, hey, I changed the law for y'all.
00:39:28.000Yet, the only thing they did when they came back after the election before they left again for Thanksgiving holidays, was to pass the Keystone Pipeline for the ninth time.
00:39:37.000And I've probably said that on air nine times, and I'll keep saying it.
00:39:40.000Because they know the Keystone Pipeline legislation they passed was never going to go past the Senate.
00:39:45.000And of course the President would have vetoed it, and yet they tell us they can't do an impeachment for all the criminal, illegal activities of the Obama administration.
00:39:57.000All they need is using the IRS against political enemies, doing it at a scale and a scope that Richard Nixon Never even conceived of from what we can see in the impeachment articles there.
00:40:08.000He wasn't accused that I'm sure he probably could have conceived of it He had some pretty dark thoughts.
00:40:13.000I'm sure but He never did anything the scope and the scale of what Obama has done and of course he has people all the way down The government covering that up with the Justice Department I talked about whistleblowers, not going to jail when the criminals don't.
00:41:04.000Now, he also found, of course, the largest securities fraud situation.
00:41:10.000He's reported both of those to the IRS, to the SEC.
00:41:13.000Doesn't apparently appear to be any interest from them, not surprisingly.
00:41:17.000And of course, the Justice Department doesn't think they have any jurisdiction in that.
00:41:22.000It's interesting because the biggest IRS whistleblower, who got eventually a $104 million dollar whistleblower fee for exposing tax evasion from the IRS, before he got that, he spent two or three years in jail.
00:41:38.000He reported tax evasion using the Swiss bank UBS and the Swiss banking system in general.
00:41:44.000It caused a massive change in tax issues and it caused them to get a lot of revenue.
00:41:51.000But before they treated him as a whistleblower, the Department of Justice, Eric Holder's Department of Justice, sent him to jail.
00:41:59.000Yeah, he exposed criminal activity and only the whistleblower goes to jail.
00:42:04.000None of the bankers ever went to jail.
00:42:05.000Even after they completed the investigation, found these guys guilty, none of the rich and powerful, none of the criminal bankers did it.
00:42:13.000Now this interview is interesting because this interview actually is not just a historical expose of wrongdoing.
00:42:20.000It shows what is actually still going on.
00:42:22.000How they are using this money into Channeling an end to black operations that are going to be funding taking down other governments, funding terrorism, funding drugs, that sort of thing.
00:42:35.000It's really like the Iran-Contra scandal, except instead of being funded by illegal weapon sales to Iran, instead of being funded by crack cocaine, their black operations are being funded by stealing your mortgage.
00:42:48.000And the thing I like about the interview is that he gives you something to do for free that I think could have a big impact on this.
00:42:58.000It's going to be coming up in the next couple of days.
00:43:01.000Now I want to go to your calls, but as I said, I wanted to cover just briefly some of the other headlines that are here besides the amnesty issue.
00:43:07.000We've also got a story we're going to talk about later about the CPS confiscating children after a family chooses home birth.
00:43:14.000We also have an anti-fluoride campaign going on in Dallas.
00:43:17.000I like the slogan, get the F out of Dallas.
00:43:21.000This is something we interviewed again on the Nightly News.
00:43:23.000Leanne McAdoo talked to the person who was doing an Indiegogo campaign to fund the advertising to educate people about fluoride.
00:43:33.000If fluoride is medication that is safe and effective, then why would you put it in the water supply?
00:43:40.000If you don't control the dosage of something that is safe and effective in a controlled dosage, if you don't have any control over the dosage, if you're dumping it in the water supply, you don't have any control over the dosage that people are getting.
00:43:52.000A baby is going to get the same dosage that a fully grown man will get.
00:44:18.000We went to the Austin Power, the Austin Water Supply.
00:44:22.000We actually took some, the people at, I wasn't with Infowars at the time, but they took video of the corrosion on the pipes.
00:44:29.000They took video of the fact that it was a class 4 toxin out of 4 classes.
00:44:34.000They say, if you're warned to call poison control when you swallow your toothpaste, why is it still added to the water that we drink, that we cook with, that we shower with?
00:44:42.000And why are we spending, in Dallas alone, a million dollars to do this?
00:44:46.000And we've had study after study from Harvard and other places showing that it lowers IQ, that it increases the risk of cancer, yet we're spending millions of dollars to get rid of corporate toxic waste.
00:44:58.000That's how we're used by the big corporations.
00:45:01.000They would have to pay a lot of money to get rid of this toxic waste, or they can sell it to us for a lot of money and have us drink it.
00:45:42.000Ivory said that the deadline, I guess the deadline's coming up is December 31st, and that they're going to move forward and use all the resources at our disposal.
00:45:59.000I know that Arizona passed a similar act.
00:46:02.000Is this the first time this is going to be attempted?
00:46:06.000And what do you think these resources... They're clearly moving the ball here on this.
00:46:14.000Part of the problem out west, and this is an issue at the Bundy Ranch, we had people who were from local governments in Utah that had shown up to talk about this very issue.
00:46:22.000There were several issues going on at the Bundy Ranch.
00:46:25.000What got us involved was, again, the excessive use of force, the police brutality.
00:46:30.000But there was also an underlying issue that caused this conflict in the first place, and that was the fact that most of the land is owned out west by the federal government.
00:46:41.000And what they were doing with the land, what Harry Reid and others do with the land is they're now putting it to investment use.
00:46:49.000Telling people that they have to protect the desert tortoise specifically in Nevada and yet setting up a lot of projects, natural resource exploration in terms of mining, working with crony capitalism partners in terms of setting up large solar systems.
00:48:35.000At the same time in Nevada that they were talking about protecting the desert tortoise, of course, they had, I think it was 1,200 of them that they had euthanized at their center because they didn't have the funds to feed them or whatever their excuse was.
00:48:48.000But they're using these issues of endangered species to, in many cases, that's the basis on which they want to do this.
00:48:57.000It is a big grab of authority, just as we see the FCC trying to extend its authority and ushering in Internet censorship.
00:49:05.000And of course, that's one of the articles we're going to talk to Paul Joseph Watson about in the next hour.
00:49:09.000We see Obama official is meeting with a Chinese Internet censorship czar.
00:49:13.000There's a lot of ways that we see the federal government moving to take control of the Internet.
00:49:18.000In the same way that the EPA or the Bureau of Land Management is trying to take control of the land out west and exercise a more rigid, exclusive control.
00:49:28.000That, of course, it all plays into Agenda 21.
00:49:31.000If you want to know where all this is headed, it means that they're going to concentrate all of us into very small areas, high concentration areas.
00:49:38.000We will not be allowed into those areas whatsoever.
00:49:41.000Let's move on to, we've got somebody with us, an ex-cop in Maryland.
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00:56:59.000And I tell you, man, From a perspective of African-American, ex-police, more conservative, on the conservative side, I get flack from, believe me, a lot of African-Americans.
00:57:17.000More African-Americans than, per se, white people.
00:57:23.000Let me ask you a question about that, because Giuliani, when he was on making his remarks, one of the things that he pointed out, he says, if I recall, there was an African American sergeant on the scene when Eric Garner was killed, in charge of the entire situation, and never did anything to stop.
00:57:39.000You know, that's what I've been saying when I look at Obama saying we're going to get, we're going to get racial quotas here, we're going to stop racial profiling, but we're going to get more black police.
00:57:48.000Do you think that's going to solve the problem?
00:57:49.000Are they going to see themselves, are they going to identify with the black community, or are they going to identify as being part of the blue community, in your opinion?
01:00:37.000We're going to be joined in the next segment by Paul Joseph Watson from London, as well as by Lionel, the talk show host who comes out of New York.
01:00:45.000He also has a background in law, so we're going to talk to him about some of these grand jury indictments.
01:00:50.000Right now I've got a caller who called in, an ex-cop from Maryland.
01:00:54.000As we were just talking before we had to go to break, you were saying that you're a black officer.
01:00:58.000You've seen a lot of black officers abusing People and the general public.
01:01:07.000And as I was reading this quote from Giuliani, that's essentially what he said.
01:01:11.000He said there was an African-American sergeant on the scene and the entire time did not do anything to stop.
01:01:17.000So obviously he didn't have a problem with what was going on.
01:01:34.000And the caliber of police officers has devolved into something really bizarre.
01:01:41.000But some of the things that I saw, some of the things that I heard were from other police officers, you're a new pair of shoes speaking to the residents in a poor urban area where I work.
01:01:57.000They would tell the people, You're just a new pair of shoes for my kid.
01:02:02.000Because what happens is that if you make an arrest and hearing this, hearing this just made me irate because I started college last in my junior year and then joined the police department thinking that I was going to do like a greater good because I think I'm a pretty good guy.
01:03:15.000What I found out, it was taking 30 seconds, 45 seconds, and these are, some of the guys are like bad.
01:03:21.000I mean, you know, you have four guys up on a, you know, selling drugs, and a lot of them have berettas and stuff on, and you call for backup, your backup doesn't come.
01:03:43.000So they perceived him as a big threat to them.
01:03:46.000In his day, the issue, he said, was really graft and corruption, although I believe it was still being driven by the same thing, and that's the war on drugs.
01:03:54.000It's driving both the graft and the corruption and the police force and government as well as now.
01:04:00.000Of course, that's the basis for these SWAT team raids.
01:04:03.000It's all the war on drugs, this shoot-first mentality.
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01:04:14.000We had the case of the 12-year-old who was shot dead, and that was a rookie.
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01:09:23.000The NYPD has been, I think, equally as accommodating.
01:09:28.000So there's a part of me, David, that says, great for the First Amendment, great that finally, instead of sitting home and, you know, tweeting and favoriting or retweeting, somebody's actually speaking up now.
01:09:42.000I'm not saying everybody necessarily is correct in what they're protesting.
01:09:47.000There's a lot that's going on here, but it doesn't really matter.
01:09:50.000The First Amendment rings true and I'm very proud as an American to see that people are utilizing that right and peacefully.
01:09:57.000That's good, and so you're not seeing the New York police essentially getting kind of provocative in the way they interact with the crowds like they did in Ferguson, kind of getting in their face, drawing a line, don't get here, stand over there, now you can't stand over there.
01:10:10.000We've seen that happen so many times in so many different cities.
01:10:13.000We saw it happen in Dallas with the JFK commemoration.
01:10:19.000Well, it may be happening, but it's not being reported.
01:10:22.000It's a city of 8 million people, a lot of areas, and so they're very well made, but from what I'm hearing and what I'm seeing, they've been most professional, as they normally are.
01:10:51.000And we don't want to live, I don't want to live in a society without police.
01:10:54.000I'm not a full-blown anarchist or whatever.
01:10:57.000But you brought up something which is the most important.
01:11:02.000You know, David, in my humble opinion, I don't mean to interrupt, but just so that you know my point of view, the issue is not race.
01:11:09.000The issue is the hyper-militarization of the police, number one, which we have been talking about and I have been talking about for years, that's number one.
01:11:18.000Number two, there's a systemic If you will, attitudinal problem in some departments, in some cases, where the police are almost allowed to assume this very hyper-adversarial position.
01:11:52.000And through the magic of time travel, we could put in place of Eric Garner, instead of a 300-pound, rather large, African-American male, let's say a slight African-American man who's 80 years old.
01:12:07.000And then a grandmother who's white, and a child, and a priest, and a man with a suit, a bunch of variables.
01:12:13.000Would we have had same degree of escalation in varying parties involved?
01:12:23.000Or would the police have said, no, this is a one-size-fits-all reaction.
01:12:27.000When you resist, this is how we react.
01:12:31.000And I would venture to say, no, you would not see the police act the same way.
01:15:07.000I think that sometimes cops, in situations like this, do have the ability to say, you know, this guy's being arrested here, Eric Garner, back to him, for selling loose cigarettes, untaxed.
01:15:22.000This is not exactly public enemy number one.
01:16:48.000Do you think, in terms of the way this is being portrayed by many in New York as racism, you've got a story up on Infowars.com right now, some people tweeting out that they thought that playing White Christmas at the Christmas tree lighting ceremony at Rockefeller Center in New York was racist.
01:17:07.000Well, I mean, this is an example of how this has degenerated so quickly.
01:17:12.000And you know, David, I was attacked as a white supremacist for supporting the facts in the Brown case, just as I've been attacked as a cop hater for supporting the facts in the Garner case.
01:17:23.000But this has been hijacked by social justice warriors, as Lionel said, to all be about race.
01:17:29.000When it's not about race, it's about violence.
01:17:33.000As he mentioned, Darius Rucker, this black singer, sung White Christmas at the New York tree lighting ceremony last night.
01:18:03.000So it's an illustration of how this has been hijacked by many on the left, just as the Ferguson protests were hijacked by communists, to make everything about race and not about what it should be, which is police brutality, which is what we should all be unifying against.
01:18:21.000Because when they make it about race, that only ostracizes conservatives.
01:18:26.000It turns away half of Americans They don't want to support this movement because it comes across as ludicrous when people are saying that singing White Christmas is a racial slur.
01:18:43.000There's a hashtag, Twitter trend, Criming Wild White, which is a bunch of white people confessing their white guilt over having minor infractions and not being punished by police.
01:18:54.000But, you know, Kelly Thomas, his white privilege didn't count for anything when he was beaten to a bloody pulp in California.
01:19:03.000James Boyd shot down like a stray dog in Albuquerque.
01:19:07.000He couldn't rely on his white privilege to save him from that situation.
01:19:11.000So it's not about black or white, it's about police brutality.
01:19:16.000We've got a break coming up, but we've also got this story from Kit Daniels.
01:19:22.000I want to get Lionel's reaction to this.
01:19:25.000Tweeting out, and this is a tweet somebody put out, next time someone asks, white privilege is fatally choking a man on camera for millions to witness and getting away with it.
01:19:34.000I would say that's not white privilege, I would say that's maybe blue privilege.
01:19:37.000We need to look at what is actually going on with these grand jury situations and I want to get Lionel's reaction to that as a former prosecutor, as a defense attorney.
01:19:47.000Talk to us about what's going on in these grand juries.
01:19:51.000Why aren't we seeing indictments come so that we can have a public open trial that the public can see the evidence that's there.
01:19:59.000I think that would de-escalate these situations.
01:20:00.000We'll be right back with Paul Joseph Watson and Lionel.
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01:24:30.000I'm David Knight in Austin and we have a Brit joining us.
01:24:33.000Paul Joseph Watson from the UK as well as Lionel.
01:24:36.000And I wanted to go back to Lionel about this grand jury indictment or I should say non-indictment.
01:24:41.000uh, We just had Judge Andrew Napolitano go on a radio show yesterday and say, I think it's clearly a case for criminally negligent homicide.
01:24:51.000He said, I think that the use of deadly forces is not Ferguson, Missouri.
01:24:55.000This is not somebody wrestling for your gun.
01:24:57.000This is not where you shoot at or be shot at.
01:24:59.000He said, this is a choking death of a mentally impaired, grossly obese person.
01:25:03.000His only crime was selling cigarettes without collecting taxes on them.
01:25:07.000It doesn't call for deadly force by any stretch of the imagination.
01:26:46.000And you're saying the probable cause for people that aren't watching and listening on the radio, you're saying probable cause is much, much lower?
01:27:00.000If I'm a prosecutor, I don't want to bring a case that I think is going to stink at the trial level.
01:27:07.000I don't want to bring a case where the medical examiner in this particular case, we believe because we really haven't heard the Staten Island Grand Jury minutes, but let's assume the prosecutor or the medical examiner testified that A, this was not a chokehold.
01:27:26.000This was a poorly used neck restraint or something.
01:27:34.000He did say that the cause of death was compression, but also chest compression, and also asthma, perhaps obesity, perhaps other factors.
01:27:47.000So the question number one is, imagine that this indictment came, this indictment was issued, and at the trial level, the defense lawyer says, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, Can you find, beyond a reasonable doubt, that this death was caused by this officer?
01:28:14.000So, just because it works at the grand jury level, doesn't mean it's going to work at the trial level.
01:28:20.000And any prosecutor who merely says, I don't care whether this case has a chance of conviction, my job is to get a an indictment and that's all I care about.
01:28:34.000Now the other problem with this is that police officers by virtue of their position can do things that citizens can't.
01:28:43.000They can actually arrest. - Wait a minute, 'cause we're about out of time We'll join this when we come back at the bottom of the hour, but we're talking about the grand jury.
01:28:52.000I think it's important for people to understand, and this is the problem that I have with it, is the fact that this isn't a trial situation where, you know, you've only got the prosecutor addressing the jury.
01:29:02.000He can tell them anything that he wants to.
01:29:06.000There isn't a defense attorney present, because nobody's been indicted yet.
01:29:10.000So he can basically tell them whatever he wants to, and no matter how skewed the evidence is, there's nobody to object to that.
01:29:18.000That's why they've had 162,000 grand juries with only 11 cases where it wasn't returned as an indictment.
01:29:26.000That's why you have that familiar saying that Judge Napolitano repeated, you can get a grand jury to indict a ham sandwich.
01:29:33.000I want to pick up with that before we go on to the different rules that we have for police Right after we come back from the break, we're talking to Lionel.
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01:29:48.000I'm going to give him a chance to ask Lionel some questions about what's going on with police brutality.
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01:33:30.000Joining me is Lionel from New York, and of course he is a former prosecutor and defense attorney.
01:33:36.000I want to get his take on what's going on with the grand jury part of this, because I think a lot of people are looking at this and seeing the government investigating itself in secret, because grand jury proceedings are secret, and of course finding itself not guilty.
01:33:51.000We see this happening so many times, and so I think a lot of people I would like to see this happen in public.
01:34:11.000So we kind of, I look at this and it's like, yes, I know they use grand juries to test to see how strong a case they've got, but isn't it possible that we've also got a grand jury being used as a beard?
01:34:22.000For a prosecution that the prosecutor doesn't really want to go through with for maybe reasons other than there's there's not anything to look at here.
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01:35:52.000Lionel, you heard what I had to say about grand juries.
01:35:55.000I mean, I think that a lot of people really wanted to see The evidence presented in Ferguson, as well as here, they wanted to see that it was going to be investigated openly.
01:36:04.000They wanted to see what evidence there was.
01:36:06.000In Ferguson, we got a document dump after the fact.
01:36:09.000And usually, we don't even hear anything about what goes on in a grand jury.
01:36:28.000You see, what we're doing is we're in essence saying, how dare Bob McCulloch not be so quick and so railroad-ish in his grand jury like others?
01:36:59.000Yeah, he'd never done that in 28 years.
01:37:01.000Why do you think that he never did that in 28 years?
01:37:03.000Did he give the other people that he went through the grand jury process, did he give them a fair trial if he only gives the cop a full investigation?
01:37:12.000And of course, he's presenting evidence that there's, you know, he's... I guess a lot of people, as I look at some of the evidence that's come out of there, and as I look at some of the transcripts, and there was like over a thousand pages, so people are just now starting to get through that.
01:37:25.000Looks to me like there was a lot of coaching, a lot of protection.
01:37:27.000It looks to me like Darren Wilson wasn't on trial.
01:37:30.000Michael Brown was on trial in that grand jury.
01:37:39.000I'm trying to explain a system that I have spent most of my adult life trying to figure out, and certainly not directed to you, but there are a lot of armchair instant experts who say, boy, this grand jury thing screwed up.
01:37:52.000I'm thinking, where the hell have you been?
01:38:38.000And that brings up an important point, Lionel.
01:38:40.000If you were his defense attorney, would you allow your client to go testify before a grand jury where you could not be present for everything he says is going to be on the record?
01:38:49.000Would you let him talk for four hours if you didn't believe that the prosecutor was on his side?
01:39:01.000Yeah, they typically don't do that, yeah.
01:39:03.000But what happens is, you see, look, and I know how this looks.
01:39:07.000It's like, hey, listen, why don't you come and testify and well, I'll ask you some simple questions and we'll basically load it up.
01:39:17.000Until a grand jury says, wait a minute, I was there and we declined to prosecute, not because we were set up, but we didn't think there was probable cause.
01:39:28.000Now, again, the probable cause standard is so slight that whenever probable cause is not had, you wonder, What was so special?
01:39:38.000But let me go back to now, jumping back to the Eric Garner case.
01:39:42.000What in this particular case, if the medical examiner said, I cannot tell you right now whether this death was caused because of a chokehold, because of a pre-existing medical condition, or it was the time to go.
01:40:16.000So when a medical examiner says this cause of death was homicide, that means it was a death caused by or because of the action of another.
01:40:26.000In fact, people who are executed, people who receive the death penalty on their death certificate, it says cause of death homicide because you're killed.
01:40:36.000Right, and that's what the medical examiner said in the case of Eric Gardner, that it was homicide.
01:40:40.000It wasn't natural death, it wasn't an accident, and it wasn't suicide.
01:40:48.000So, therefore, there was a human connection.
01:40:51.000But this particular case, the police officer, who was under department regulation, unable to do a carotid restraint or chokehold, which in fact may or may not be, that's not against the law!
01:41:05.000So what happens is, I'm telling you right now, there is no evidence of murder.
01:41:22.000That's where you seek monetary damages, big bucks for wrongful death and loss of society, the loss of a father, the loss of a husband.
01:41:30.000And then there's federal, either federal civil rights or some other federal crime.
01:41:36.000Just because there is no evidence to prove a crime in that there was no evidence of murder, Involuntary manslaughter does not mean that he's at all off the hook when it comes to civil.
01:41:51.000I'm telling you right now, this is a civil slam dunk.
01:41:55.000Let me also throw in, there's administrative because he most probably will be bounced off of the NYPD because he violated this rule.
01:42:04.000So you would say, so Judge Napolitano said he thought it was clearly a case of criminally negligent homicide.
01:42:10.000You would say that, in your opinion, you think it's civilly negligent homicide?
01:42:14.000Oh yes, because right now I could say this is not, you see, this is a police officer who did not pick somebody out of a crowd, who decided on his own to be excessive.
01:42:27.000This is a police officer, right or wrong, who was in essence ordered to try to restrain someone and he would testify at trial.
01:42:37.000He did it because he was following the department's directions.
01:42:41.000He swore an oath to follow not only the law, but the orders of his superiors.
01:43:46.000Paul, was there anything, how do you feel about this and did you have any question for Lionel?
01:43:52.000Yeah, I wanted to get back to this issue about police brutality, the causes of police brutality, because I think this is what we're being misdirected from.
01:44:01.000These officers are acting in accordance with their training and that's the main problem because their militarized training, which is being directed to them by the federal government, Is not to de-escalate.
01:44:13.000It's to immediately resort to violence and then when they're exonerated in these cases, it only gives them more confidence to act in the same manner in future situations like we saw with the Eric Garner case.
01:44:26.000And my article on Infowars posted a few hours ago.
01:44:29.000We have police, in actual police forums, verified members of the law enforcement departments across the country saying that this decision in the Garner case justifies them being able to, quote, kick some thug ass.
01:44:45.000They're taking this as a sign that everything they do is justified, again legitimizing police brutality within police departments.
01:44:53.000So we have a problem centered around violence and the justification of violence both in the police department and also in the black community.
01:45:03.000And this is what is not being discussed because it's being hijacked and it's all being directed towards a debate about race.
01:45:10.000You've got FBI crime statistics which show that Black people commit almost the same number of homicides as whites and Hispanics put together, despite the fact that they only represent 13% of the population in America.
01:45:25.000Also, 93% of blacks are killed by other blacks.
01:45:29.000Again, despite the fact that they're only 13% of the population.
01:45:32.000So, is this because of their skin colour?
01:45:35.000Just as because in the case of police, they resort to violence not because of their skin colour.
01:45:41.000This is about an endemic problem of violence within both police departments and the black community.
01:45:48.000The way that this is being hijacked, and it's all about race, it's all about white privilege, which again in the case of Kelly Thomas and James Boyd, they couldn't exercise their white privilege to save them from their fate.
01:46:03.000What we should be focusing on is the training that law enforcement is getting, which makes them resort to violence immediately, as well as the culture within the black community that promotes this criminality.
01:46:16.000Which is hyped and promoted by white-owned entertainment companies which glamorize this thug-life culture through rap and hip-hop.
01:46:25.000None of this is being addressed now that the social justice warriors have hijacked this case and basically turned it into Occupy 2.0.
01:46:33.000This is being used as a divisive tool.
01:46:37.000To turn us away from the problem of violence in both the police community and the black community towards just squabbling with each other over side issues about white privilege.
01:46:48.000So I wanted to get Lionel's take on that.
01:46:50.000I would not have said it better, my dear friend, that I will not try to.
01:46:55.000Let me tell you that imagine this hypothetical.
01:47:19.000Now, the problem is that when we change doors in mid-sentence and go from police argument to race, In a society that is not able to handle critical thinking, in a society with this mamby-pamby, almost cartoonish media, who cannot handle this, throw into the mix, this is a rather complex situation.
01:47:45.000Now, what you said, Paul, I agree with 100%.
01:47:47.000There has been, and you know, in this country, let's back up.
01:47:52.000There has been a firewall, by design, from Posse Comitata in 1878 to our loathing of standing armies, a firewall between civilian law enforcement and military.
01:48:07.000I've often said, if you do not like being a police officer, If you don't like, as we say in New York on all the police cars, you see CPR, Courtesy, Professionalism and Respect.
01:48:20.000If you don't want to read rights, if you don't want to take down names and be courteous and be a peace officer or constable, then join the military!
01:48:28.000Go someplace where you can engage the military, start shooting when you're told to, because police officers involve a certain skill set that military doesn't.
01:48:38.000And what happens is when you throw into the mix this idea through 1033 programs, MRAPs, automatic weapons, from when Sheriff Andy turned into Robocop, and you have this crew-cutted, mirrored glasses, heavily armored look, when you have the Boise Police Department having urban assault commando trucks, when you have this other attitude, and this is what I've heard,
01:49:07.000Well, how dare this man, Eric Garner, dare resist arrest?
01:49:13.000Now, resist arrest can be, and Paul and David, we've seen this, when somebody asks a police officer, why am I being arrested?
01:49:27.000This is a country, we've seen it from TSA, from gate rapes, from airports.
01:49:34.000We have seen the slow, systematic, systemic, heightened militarization on all levels.
01:49:43.000It's gotten so bad that even in schools, little kids who point fingers are in essence arrested in the school system.
01:49:52.000So we have become this hyper Law and order on steroids mentality.
01:49:59.000That, I agree Paul, is another avenue.
01:50:03.000Because I'm sure that if we look to other cultures, other police departments, other countries, they have their store of thugs and the like.
01:50:17.000And we have, by virtue of this, let me throw in another problem.
01:50:22.000When the social media, God bless protests, but when the momentum of the meme starts, when somebody says, and I know this, you know how many times I see people running around here who are thrilled to be a part of the protest?
01:50:41.000This is, I'm not saying people are not sincere, but there is A celebration sometimes!
01:50:50.000Hang on Lionel, we gotta take a break.
01:50:52.000And as you're talking about the militarization of the police and we're talking about the training, maybe there's a question if would the system have liability if they found these police officers guilty because they trained them to act that way.
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01:54:47.000Is it maybe because if some of these police officers were indicted for doing what they're trained to do, doing what they're equipped to do, which we as a society need to have this discussion as to whether or not we want militarized police.
01:55:00.000And maybe if they're indicted for some of this stuff, would they sue their employers, the system?
01:55:04.000Is that why the system apparently is going so easy on them?
01:55:08.000Because it would essentially be liable if this started to come out.
01:55:13.000Well, we've got a problem with immunity.
01:55:14.000That's because people, we don't want to hamstring police.
01:55:18.000We don't want to have them say, because God forbid, David, somebody is attacking you or your family, you don't want police officers saying, you know, I normally be a little bit more aggressive in helping out David here, but I don't think I want to risk the chance of civil liabilities.
01:55:35.000I think I'm going to back off a little bit.
01:55:38.000But David, may I ask you something, sir?
01:55:42.000Do you remember a time, perhaps maybe we're in the same generation, but I know instances where friends of mine Can tell me a time when, when they were out acting like a fool, police officer came home and brought them home, knocked on the doors and, Mrs. Nye?
01:56:12.000There are views of, from Sheriff Andy to Adam 12 to Dragnet, Bumper Morgan, the Blue Knight, and all of a sudden, the idea of the police officer as being wise, the guy in the community, the one who ran the traffic signal on Sundays when church let out, that image, Has been changed.
01:57:30.000Why don't we just abolish the grand jury?
01:57:33.000Why don't we just, seriously, we can do it, there's no reason why we can't.
01:57:36.000Pass a constitutional amendment or a state statute, just say we're done with this, and have the prosecutor, like in other jurisdictions, like in the state of Florida, the only time you use a grand jury is if it's for a first degree murder or some type of investigation.
01:58:02.000Have statewide prosecutors or a law that says when you have a police officer in, let's say, the city of Austin, I agree.
01:58:10.000You don't have the Austin DA prosecute somebody that by virtue of natural affinity and propinquity and professional relationships, let's automatically bring in another prosecutor.
01:58:26.000And we've had Serpico who went through this whole ringer.
01:58:30.000He has said that we have to have outside oversight in this, and what outside means, what that means for another jurisdiction, whatever that means, that has to be there.
01:58:39.000Thank you so much for joining us, Lionel, out of New York, and we have, and your website is, give them your website, Lionel, we've got a couple of seconds.
01:58:46.000LionelMedia.com, and my Twitter handle is LionelMedia.
01:58:49.000We'll be right back with Paul Joseph Lawson.
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02:00:38.000I'm David Knight in Austin and we have Paul Joseph Watson joining us from the UK.
02:00:43.000In the last hour we were talking to Lionel, a talk show host out of New York, about the recent grand jury non-indictments in Ferguson and now in New York with the Eric Garner case.
02:00:55.000And he said something in the last segment that I thought was interesting.
02:01:00.000And he said, remember back when we were younger, he and I, we had a very different kind of attitude from the police, of course.
02:01:08.000And that's what we're all talking about.
02:01:10.000This radical change that's being pushed from Washington, this militarization of the police and their equipment and their training and the way they regard themselves in the public.
02:01:21.000I remember this As we're dating ourselves here, I remember this Roger Miller song, England swings like a pendulum do.
02:01:28.000They talked about bobbies on bicycles, two by two.
02:01:30.000I was there in the 80s quite a bit of time with my wife and I was really taken back by how kind the police in in the uk were especially around london how approachable they were because they weren't armed and they weren't in cars and it was a very different situation when i went back 20 years later because they had much more of an american model and i think it was easier
02:01:57.000for me to see it there because it wasn't this very gradual process that has happened in the united states so Although, in the last few years, they have accelerated the change so much, I think you have to be pretty blind and deaf to not notice what's going on in American Hour.
02:02:14.000But let me get your take on what's going on in the UK, because that was my take on it.
02:02:18.000It's a very different situation where they were Going on patrol, two guys on foot or on bicycle, they had a radio, they had their billy clubs, they could call for support, but they were not armed and it seemed to me they had a very different attitude.
02:02:31.000Well, I think there's a statistic, David, which is, I'm not sure if this is correct, but this is what I read today, that police in America have killed more people than police in the UK have ever killed in the history of policing.
02:02:44.000Now, it's, that may not be completely accurate, but... You mean, just like the last, in just the last year, over what period of time in America?
02:03:06.000And that is one of the iconic images of America, unfortunately, to the rest of the world, is police pulling somebody over on the highway and harassing them.
02:04:20.000I mean, that certainly has been the implication.
02:04:22.000But I think even to look at The difference that I saw in the police there as they went from essentially being on foot, on bicycles, and then arming them, putting them in cars, it really changes their attitude.
02:04:36.000And if that changes their attitude, just that little bit, giving them a gun changes their attitude, Think what it's going to do to give them military-style assault weapons, to give them MRAPs, to build it up into a militarized situation like that.
02:04:50.000We just had some cops in Alaska, one of the last places in America where they're not armed, and the cops said, my best tool is my mouth, because that's how he can keep things from getting escalated into a violent situation.
02:05:02.000That's how he keeps from getting shot, because he's clever, he uses his mouth.
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02:08:42.000On this Thursday, December 4th, 2014, I'm here in the studio in Austin and we have Paul Joseph Watson joining us from the UK.
02:08:50.000We're going to talk about some of the, we've been talking mainly about the grand jury non-indictment in the Eric Garner case, the man who was essentially died for an unpaid tax on cigarettes.
02:09:04.000I want to talk about some good cops here and get your reactions.
02:10:26.000Patrol officers Brian Larimore, Debrake Weir, Deborah Weir, Todd Van Hoven were tired of being forced to collect a minimum amount of revenue each month or face disciplinary consequences.
02:10:40.000They claim the department is abusing its power and they have filed a multi-page lawsuit, I think it's 27 pages, dealing with these allegations.
02:10:48.000They say that it's more than just traffic citations as well.
02:10:51.000The lawsuit details requirements to make at least two criminal arrests each month.
02:10:56.000So they're not just after petty regulations.
02:10:58.000They're actually going out and have a quota of criminal arrests.
02:11:06.000Think about how they're ruining people's lives for a quota.
02:11:10.000What's the agenda here of the police department?
02:11:12.000These rank-and-file police officers are pushing back against a criminal system that is training our officers to act like they're in a war zone, equipping them and training them to shoot first, to shoot on sight, hyping them up, and then also sending them out to arrest people criminally and then also sending them out to arrest people criminally on a quota system.
02:11:34.000That was what was happening in New York.
02:11:36.000That's what Adrian Schoolcraft blew the whistle on.
02:11:39.000For that, they put him in an insane asylum until his dad found him and got him out and also found the recording where they, I think it was the number two, if I'm correct or not, the number two at the New York Police Department was threatening him and was there at his apartment when they put him into the insane asylum.
02:12:00.000I want to get Paul's reaction to this.
02:12:01.000We have Paul Joseph Watson from the UK.
02:12:03.000It seems to me, Paul, this is very much like the war on drugs, this petty issue here.
02:12:10.000If we can kill a man for a cigarette tax, isn't that what we've been doing with the war on drugs?
02:12:14.000You know, when we have these SWAT teams who basically throw Flash grenades into a baby's crib and it's all justified and the militarized SWAT teams are all justified because it's about this prohibition law that we passed and of course now that we got the law we are entitled to do anything to any extreme to enforce that law.
02:12:33.000This is what people have missed again in the Garner case.
02:12:36.000The confrontation, the death of Eric Garner would have never have occurred if not for this ludicrous New York State and city cigarette tax.
02:12:46.000There was a 190% hike in cigarette tax.
02:12:53.000In turn, that led to a 59% increase in cigarette smuggling over the same period.
02:13:00.000So now you have a situation where half of all cigarettes consumed within New York State are smuggled Are, in the eyes of the government, illegal cigarettes.
02:13:10.000Because they now have a $4.35 per pack, dollar per pack, tax, in addition to a $1.50 per pack tax for the state, for the city as well, on every pack of cigarettes.
02:13:23.000So if this hadn't have been imposed by the likes of Bloomberg, who before the confrontation with Eric Garner, increased police powers to target so-called cigarette smugglers, This choking death would have never have happened.
02:13:38.000So Ghana's death was essentially caused by big government, caused by these punitive, greedy taxes being imposed by the state.
02:13:50.000These ludicrous taxes, again, are a direct cause of police brutality.
02:13:55.000If we really want to address The issues, the solutions in preventing police brutality.
02:14:01.000We need to know how these cases arise in the first place.
02:14:04.000And in the case of Ghana, he was basically summarily executed for tax evasion.
02:14:09.000So now they've set that precedent that American citizens can be summarily executed, choked to death, for violating some ludicrous tax law.
02:14:18.000And we've seen this developing over quite a long period of time with the war on drugs, the massive, massive incarceration.
02:14:26.000Again, that's where we also lead the world in terms of our prison population.
02:14:31.000The number of people that we have per capita in prison adjusted for population is far greater than it is in communist China or in Russia.
02:14:40.000It is, we lead the world and it's not even close with these other people, how many people we've thrown in prison.
02:14:46.000And of course, this is where Those of you who are listening, although we've nearly lost jury trials, if somebody has a jury trial, this is where you can have an effect.
02:14:58.000It can only be one situation, perhaps, but you can, as the proverb has, you know, the guy who was picking up the starfish and the beach was littered with starfish who were dying because the water was out.
02:15:10.000The guy goes up, picks up one and throws it back in.
02:15:12.000The guy says, Another guy says, how much good is that going to do?
02:15:35.000You need to educate yourself about that.
02:15:36.000But I want to look at, real quickly Paul, get your reaction to this.
02:15:39.000There's a story that was up on Reason two days ago, talking about the San Francisco Police Department and the approach that the police chief there is taking towards the war on drugs.
02:15:49.000They said, when San Francisco stopped prosecuting drug users, violent crime went down.
02:15:56.000And so they talked to the police chief there and he says he supports drug prohibition.
02:16:03.000I feel sorry for the people who are addicted to drugs.
02:16:07.000However, even though he sees it as a serious public health issue that needs to be addressed, He is not going out there and escalating the violence.
02:16:16.000They say that San Francisco offers an enticing glimpse at what American cities might begin to look like if drugs were legalized or decriminalized.
02:16:24.000His department still makes arrests for drug dealings but only on a complaint-driven basis.
02:16:28.000They don't go out of their way to set up stings or raids or SWAT raids as we're talking about.
02:16:33.000He says, we're not trying to keep a stat game going on arresting people for narcotics, and it hasn't hurt us trying to achieve our goal and trying to make San Francisco safer or safest is what he said.
02:16:45.000So there's a situation where they de-escalated this, where they de-escalated the violence.
02:16:50.000He's still arresting people if there's complaints about it, but he isn't getting in their face about it.
02:16:55.000And I think it's an important look at what things might look like if we got rid of the excuse that they've been using to create this militarized police force.
02:17:04.000Well, I mean, David, we know that ending drug prohibition reduces crime.
02:17:10.000Any country that has done it, that's exactly what happened.
02:17:13.000I mean, look at Portugal, look at other countries in Europe.
02:17:16.000As soon as they start taking those steps, crime is reduced.
02:17:20.000And actually, even, I was watching Fox News a couple of days ago.
02:17:24.000They had a host and three panel guests who all agreed that the war on drugs has failed.
02:17:30.000That it's completely ridiculous that it's just targeting innocent people, wasting money, creating this huge prison industrial complex.
02:17:50.000We've seen other states take steps in that direction since the midterms and it's just positive benefits all around.
02:17:57.000And if you look at the cases in other countries, it works every time.
02:18:01.000So I think that's one front on which we're winning the battle.
02:18:05.000That's good, you know, because prohibition doesn't work.
02:18:06.000It didn't work with alcohol prohibition.
02:18:08.000Even though when they did alcohol prohibition, they had at least enough respect for the Constitution to file two constitutional amendments.
02:18:15.000We got one creating alcohol prohibition, another one to repeal it.
02:18:18.000Why did they need to have a constitutional amendment?
02:18:21.000Because the federal government doesn't have the constitutional authority to tell you what you can own, to tell you what you can put in your body.
02:18:40.000Eroded in terms of civil forfeiture acts where they can seize property, charge the inanimate property with a crime when they never charge the person possessing it with a crime.
02:18:57.000But I think that the reason that they're willing to let it go...
02:19:00.000Is because they know they can replace all of this militarized, violent stuff with the war on terror.
02:19:08.000I think that's where they're going to put their next focus on.
02:19:11.000And I think they're going to continue to do the same types of militarized police unless we push back, unless we can get above this idea that this is simply white against black.
02:19:21.000That's the thing that they're trying to sell us.
02:19:23.000If we buy into that, we're not going to have reform.
02:19:27.000Exactly, and on the jury trials, just quickly, there's a story.
02:19:31.000South Carolina jury indicts white officer for killing black man.
02:19:35.000Media ignores, that's out of truth revolt.
02:19:38.000And basically this was a police chief who back in 2011 had a struggle with an African American in a vehicle, shot him in the chest.
02:19:47.000He was unarmed, and this officer has just today, or yesterday, been indicted by a grand jury in South Carolina.
02:19:55.000But of course the media is not going to give that any attention, because they're trying to fan the flames of this race war, which again ignores the real problem.
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02:24:49.000I think what's happening, not only have they taken control of the discussion, you know, we're not allowed to see that, you know, there's corruption in the judicial system as a whole.
02:24:58.000You know, the judges, the lawyers, the whole system works with these police, they're bad, and it makes the good ones look bad, and it causes a lot of people on my end, you know, I have a lot of conservative friends, a lot of liberal friends, they're disgusted, and they've decided to just take the cop's side.
02:25:54.000Because there's so many people, they're just not going to hear you.
02:25:57.000You guys are absolutely right, but you'll never be heard.
02:26:00.000Well, they start to bring in nonsense like that.
02:26:02.000I remember just a couple of weeks ago there was a big discussion about an Uber executive, you know, the cyber taxi system.
02:26:11.000An Uber executive said that he'd like to hire four people to go after a particular journalist, pay him a million dollars to do it, you know, get dirt on her, make it public.
02:26:18.000And there was a huge pushback against that.
02:26:21.000This journalist started turning it into sexism instead of attacking people.
02:26:26.000That's a very underhanded suggestion to do something like that.
02:26:30.000It's against our First Amendment, but it really showed the character that they would do something like that or even think that that would be a reasonable thing to do as a guy put at force.
02:26:40.000But then when they started talking about it as sexism, it basically lost all momentum.
02:26:45.000And when they start talking about this as being simply a racist issue, then we take reform off of the table.
02:26:52.000And that's really what Eric Holder is doing.
02:26:54.000He's now promising to end racial profiling once and for all.
02:26:58.000He's going to institute rigorous new standards and robust safeguards to help end racial profiling once and for all.
02:27:04.000It's about a problem that's much bigger than that, and I'll let Paul comment on that.
02:27:08.000But I think when I looked at that video that was up the other day, this is what happens when you call the cops.
02:27:12.000He was showing the abuse on white people as well.
02:27:15.000He was even showing CPS abuse, Child Protective Services abuse.
02:27:19.000And of course we have the article today about the couple had their children confiscated after their home birth.
02:27:26.000Some people reported them because they gave birth at home and the CPS people start coming there.
02:27:30.000That's their probable cause to intrude into their family.
02:27:33.000Then they start nitpicking their lives and next thing you know they've confiscated their children.
02:27:37.000So Paul, how do we get this Narrative away from them, this narrative that they're trying to sell everybody, that it's simply racism.
02:27:45.000Well, I mean, the federal government routinely makes a big show about, you know, federal investigations, Justice Department investigations, no matter what your take on Trayvon Martin, Michael Brown or Eric Garner.
02:27:57.000Those federal investigations go nowhere.
02:28:00.000The Trayvon Martin federal investigation is still open.
02:28:04.000And by all accounts, it's completely fruitless.
02:28:06.000It's not even coming to any conclusion.
02:28:09.000Again, proving they don't care about justice, but they're right there on the scene in the very first moments inciting the race war, like Obama was saying that the anger in response to the Michael Brown case was justified, when if you actually look at the evidence and the facts of the case, not the emotional manipulation and the media narrative,
02:28:28.000Then the anger in that one specific case was not justified based on the evidence, the autopsy results, the ballistic evidence, which backed up Officer Wilson's version of what happened.
02:28:40.000It would be justified in the Eric Garner case, and that's the point I've made.
02:28:43.000You know, I've been steadfast and consistent in supporting a judgment based on facts and evidence, not on emotional manipulation.
02:28:51.000So whereas I Agreed with the grand jury verdict in the Brown case.
02:28:55.000I disagree with it in the Garner case.
02:28:57.000Because again, I'm not influenced by this media narrative which is pushing race and division.
02:29:02.000I think we need to elevate the black voices that are speaking out against both violence within police departments and violence within the black community.
02:29:11.000Because they've got the most credibility and hopefully the social justice warriors who get distracted by white privilege and all these other distractions will pay heed to those prominent black voices like Charles Barkley.
02:29:26.000We heard the same criticisms of the Bundy Ranch.
02:29:27.000We heard people say, well you show up here but you're not going to show up at the inner city.
02:29:30.000We did show up at the inner city with our reporters and you know what?
02:29:33.000There were volunteers who showed up at the Bundy Ranch to constrain the violence there that was being conducted by the federal government.
02:29:40.000And we also had volunteers, Oath Keepers, show up to protect private businesses in Ferguson.
02:29:47.000And of course, they were shut down, mainly, by the feds.
02:29:52.000Eric, if there's anything else that you wanted to follow up with, since you've waited so long, I'll take your call if you want to hang on through the break.
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02:35:40.000Now going back to Eric in Texas, I know Eric you held on for a long time.
02:35:43.000You were talking about how frustrating it was to try to get your friends, both conservative and liberal, to really see what the issue is here because they are being blinded and misdirected by this red herring of racism.
02:35:56.000They're not seeing that this is a much broader, much deeper problem than merely racism.
02:36:03.000There certainly is a component in terms of a statistical disproportionate amount of crime that's in the black community and a disproportionate number of people.
02:36:12.000Even if you adjust for that, the number of people that go to prison in terms of black versus white, the system, I believe, is definitely skewed against the black people.
02:36:21.000But we need to not just say, let's send more white people to prison or let's send less black people to prison for violation of drug prohibition.
02:36:30.000Let's look at drug prohibition, for example, and say, this is wrong, we shouldn't be sending anybody to prison, black or white.
02:36:38.000I think you guys are absolutely fantastic and correct.
02:36:41.000I had a simple idea, it probably didn't originate from me, but how do we, I mean, is it possible we can take people like Professor Griff, you know, the real Rick Ross, the real guy, And send them on a little tour, like a small tour, you know, maybe five cities or just see how it goes.
02:37:34.000Well, I'm a former multi-jurisdictional law enforcement professional myself, having served in four different distinct jurisdictions and attended four of their different and separate training academies.
02:37:49.000I wanted to comment on the devised misinterpretation or made to be misinterpreted word term crime that is set forth in the probable cause description.
02:38:07.000Probable cause is described as the facts or circumstances that would cause a reasonable man to Conclude that one, a crime has been committed, and two, the person accused committed said crime.
02:38:22.000However, the word term crime has a specifically delineated meaning, constituting that of a felony criminal nature set forth in the case Thompson v. Smith, which says for a law enforcement officer to have a municipal purpose
02:38:41.000To be in the presence of an individual to make further inquiry, he must be able to articulate with extreme specificity the facts or circumstances that would cause him to conclude that, one, a particular felony crime had been committed, and two, the circumstances that would cause him to conclude that the person he was stopping had some reasonable basis for relating to that felony crime.
02:39:09.000Okay, so what do you think about these two indictments here?
02:39:29.000Whenever the jurisdiction that you're in is paid for, all the police, the prosecutors, the judges, Uh, has their variable financial liability on the line.
02:39:42.000It's to their particular interest to have the pre-concluded accumulation of the grand jury or purported.
02:39:51.000It's probably a jury trial rather than a trial by jury specifically.
02:39:56.000But the, like you observed, in fact, I really have to compliment Lionel that was on here earlier.
02:40:01.000He was an immensely knowledgeable, experienced prosecutor, but he is more of a defender.
02:40:08.000These insinuations for the prosecution in league with the judge in their particular court can put their thumb on the scales of justice and use their prosecutorial and judicial discretion
02:40:23.000To influence the presentment and of course the counties have unlimited resources to develop the evidence and pick and choose or cherry pick the evidence that's most effectuous to the presentment of their point or political agenda that they wish to put forth to the jury.
02:40:40.000Yeah, and going to that, in the case in Ferguson, Missouri, for example, what we have learned as some of these records have been released, and they're typically not released at a grand jury, is we learn things like Darren Wilson was allowed to wipe any and all blood off of himself.
02:40:54.000He was allowed to wipe off the gun, which was a key part of the story, that he was wrestling with Michael Brown with his gun, and he was able to wipe that off.
02:41:04.000So they couldn't verify that they had any fingerprints of Michael Brown on the gun.
02:41:08.000We also know they didn't record the conversation.
02:41:10.000We know that the officer who investigated the scene of the crime said he didn't really see any need to measure the distance between the police car, the police officer, and Michael Brown when he was shot.
02:41:21.000All of these things start to come out of the grand jury trial, and so you look at this and you say, well, did we really have a fair hearing here?
02:41:28.000I think that what's going to happen is, certainly, it's going to move to a civil venue and there's still going to be some liability there.
02:41:34.000Of course, the taxpayers will be the ones who will wind up paying that, but I wonder If these guys were criminally convicted, these police officers, because of their training, because of the way they've been equipped and trained, I wonder if they would in turn sue the city for damages because they were doing what they were trained to do.
02:41:53.000Paul, did you want to comment on this?
02:41:55.000Yeah, just on the Brown case, I mean, the ballistics and the blood splatter show that Brown's blood was on Wilson's gun.
02:42:03.000The autopsy results also show that Brown's thumb was grazed by a bullet, which directly suggests that there was a struggle for the gun and that Brown tried to grab Wilson's gun, backing up Wilson's testimony.
02:42:16.000Also, the eyewitnesses Many of them told the police that they were intimidated by other people living in the immediate area to verify this myth that was created by Brown's accomplice in the robbery of the convenience store, which was that Brown had his hands up when he was shot.
02:42:34.000The autopsy results again say that that's false.
02:42:37.000They say that the claim that he was shot in the back is false.
02:42:40.000So a bunch of witnesses basically got caught lying and then the ballistics, the blood spatter.
02:42:46.000The autopsy results do back up Wilson's account which is why I base my judgment on that evidence and which I believe is why the grand jury acquitted Wilson.
02:42:55.000Yeah, I don't really want to get into, you know, rehashing all the details of the trial and everything.
02:42:59.000I think though what The documents that we've seen come out of the grand jury, I think, show that there's a very different standard of evidence.
02:43:06.000For example, if I, as a private citizen, were involved in a shooting and I wiped all the fingerprints off the gun, that might, in and of itself, be probable cause to have a A murder trial or something for me.
02:43:20.000So there's a very different standard of evidence.
02:43:22.000There's a very different, actually they have a law enforcement Bill of Rights that was put in by Senator Joe Biden after multiple times that give a very different approach, a very different presumption, special protections with the police unions and other things that allow the police to actually have a second, a superior Bill of Rights, which of course they don't pay much attention to our Bill of Rights.
02:43:44.000But they get a special privileged approach to all this, and that's what I see coming out of some of these records, coming out of the grand jury, which I think is more relevant in the broader scheme of things, whether or not Officer Wilson was justified in that.
02:43:59.000And again, I don't want to make it so much about Wilson versus Brown or Black versus White, because this is a very broad problem, and we have a lot of systemic bias, a lot of systemic corruption, and we have a lot of systemic training for violence that's going on in this.
02:44:21.000I also help teach Constitution and Statutory Law at the Upper East Tennessee Research Institute.
02:44:27.000One thing I wanted to talk about was the fact that jurisdiction.
02:44:30.000We keep talking about all these entities getting away with everything they're doing, including militarization of the police nowadays.
02:44:38.000The problem is, like in the Money Rant issue, remember he kept saying, I don't have a contract with the federal government and they don't have jurisdiction.
02:44:45.000The FBI cannot write you a speeding ticket on a roadway because they only have jurisdiction within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.
02:45:05.000When I was at the Bundy Ranch, one of the things that, you know, the thing they were most concerned about was the violence that was being perpetrated against people.
02:45:13.000And that morning that they had the standoff later on in the day, that morning when Sheriff Gillespie showed up at the Bundy Ranch, Cliven Bundy said to him, I want you to confiscate the weapons of the BLM.
02:45:26.000I want you to open up these roadblocks into these areas because you are the one with jurisdiction.
02:45:31.000I'm going to wait a couple hours for you to do this.
02:45:33.000And when he didn't do it, that's when he said, let's go get our cattle back because the sheriff wasn't going to do anything.
02:45:38.000It's local law enforcement that has the jurisdiction.
02:46:24.000A code is a copyrighted, private copyrighted list of codes and regulations for a particular jurisdiction, and it's only applicable to corporations, states, and attorneys.
02:46:36.000The Bar Association is not a license to practice law.
02:46:40.000We had a law for a hundred years before the bar ever existed.
02:46:43.000The problem is that the American people have become completely ignorant as to who they are, and they're supposed to be above the government.
02:47:12.000We have those rights from God, and we established the government and the Constitution to protect those rights, and they've turned this upside down.
02:47:22.000Sean, you're going to really enjoy the interview that we had with Greg Morris about this entire banking system.
02:47:28.000I mean, this thing is like the Iran Contra going from the very beginning where they break the chain of title all the way to the funding the black ops through the Swiss banks.
02:47:39.000That's a very important process and one of the things that's very important about this interview and what Greg Morse is trying to do and this is someone who was involved in the early days of the savings and loan crisis and that is to force a review of this illegal operation that they're doing.
02:47:53.000CNN and just these bankers completely changed the way we record and register our properties, broke the chain of titles with these new institutions that they created from 1995 to 1999.
02:48:07.000They created this crisis, they created these institutions, they've hoodwinked the public, and then they use that money to fund wars, to overthrow governments, to push the drug to put it into these black ops.
02:48:18.000That's an important thing for people to understand where their rights come from.
02:48:21.000If you want to audit the Fed, start with auditing your own mortgage.
02:48:38.000I just recently turned 18, and I kind of did a shadow program with our local police station, and, well, basically, it was outrageous some of the stuff that they taught me and some of the stuff they were teaching the other shadowers it was outrageous some of the stuff that they taught me and some of the stuff they were teaching the other shadowers And well, just any questions that you have for me about when I was in the program.
02:49:07.000Well, so you're basically following them around like a career day, right?
02:49:13.000Okay, tell us one thing that was the most, you said you were outraged by what happened, what was the most outrageous thing that you saw?
02:49:20.000Well, one night, it was, I think, 9.15 at night, there was a group of, I think, four or five teenagers outside of a McDonald's, and one of them took off running.
02:49:31.000And they obviously were dealing drugs or something, and it turned out to be a dying bag of weed I got out of the car and said, you know, stop, you know, and then Deputy McCain came out.
02:49:44.000He didn't shoot him, but he got the taser and shot a, I think he was a 15 year old boy, shot him with a taser.
02:49:52.000And he sat there and, you know, twitched out, man, literally.
02:49:59.000Well, we have a situation here in Texas, right outside of Austin, is down in Bastrop.
02:50:04.000They had a fight that was going on, and between a couple of people, a third party got between them, according to witnesses, and broke that up.
02:50:11.000And then you see videotape of a cop just walking up and tasering that kid.
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02:54:31.000George in Connecticut, I know you've been holding for a while.
02:54:33.000I want to get back to you and Overdrive and the other callers that are there.
02:54:36.000I've only got Paul for this one last segment.
02:54:38.000And I wanted to get his take on what Obama is proposing in the wake of these high-profile police violence cases.
02:54:47.000We've had him propose $263 million for body cameras.
02:54:54.000We see that Eric Holder says he can end racism with racist quotas and now we've got a police chief that's going to chair the 21st century committee on chairing on 21st century policing task force that has a real troubled past.
02:55:11.000This is a police chief Who is the police chief of Philadelphia.
02:55:15.000He, on his watch they say, and this is in the AntiMedia.org, they say a federal investigation into corruption was launched over a conspiracy, robbery, extortion, kidnapping and drug dealing.
02:55:25.000That's the guy you picked to chair your task force on 21st century policing.
02:55:30.000They say the Philadelphia police were also caught ignoring thousands of rape cases to keep their crime numbers low.
02:55:36.000What I talked about earlier in the program going on in the New York Police Department.
02:55:40.000And even though marijuana was decriminalized, he is still saying that he's going to continue to arrest people pursuant to Pennsylvania law, even though they decriminalized it there in Philadelphia.
02:55:53.000Paul, your reaction on Obama's solutions?
02:55:56.000Well, of course, the body camera solution has been rendered completely invalid by this Eric Garner case where the guy who filmed the choking death himself was indicted and the cop wasn't, so that's gone completely out of the window, that doesn't even matter anymore.
02:56:14.000As far as racist quotas, what, are they gonna arrest more white people to get the quotas up?
02:56:19.000I mean, what kind of solution is that?
02:56:21.000Yeah, because we have these private prisons that are guaranteed to have a certain occupancy rate, so if they're going to arrest fewer black people, I guess we're going to have to get more of everybody else to fill up these prisons, because we've got this private prison military-industrial complex.
02:56:34.000Well, you know, there's some interesting stats that have just come out of the Centre on Juvenile and Criminal Justice Department.
02:56:40.000In 2012, 123 blacks were killed by police with a gun.
02:56:42.000323 blacks were killed by police with a gun.
02:56:45.000And in the same year, 326 whites were killed by police with a gun.
02:56:50.000So if you take out Hispanics from that white total, that is generally in coordination with the population of white and black people in America, Including Hispanics, whites are about 70% of the population, blacks are about 13%.
02:57:06.000So if those stats are accurate out of the Center on Juvenile and Criminal Justice Department, which says that police killings of blacks are down 70% in the last 50 years, Then again, it emphasises the point that this is not about race.
02:57:20.000This is about police brutality, which is what I've tried to emphasise all along, but that's what the social justice warriors are taking the focus away from that, making it about white people and white privilege when it's about violence.
02:57:36.000And of course they can take this in any direction they want to, to avoid any kind of reform.
02:57:40.000We also, you're talking about how futile it is to say that body cameras are going to actually stop anything.
02:57:46.000We saw the murder of that homeless man outside of Albuquerque.
02:58:01.000We saw a 12-year-old who had a BB gun, shot by cops.
02:58:04.000We saw that on video, shot without warning.
02:58:06.000And in both of those cases, the amazing thing is, even though they were holding BB guns...
02:58:10.000People turned the direction onto the BB guns and said, well we shouldn't even have toy guns because people are getting killed with toy guns, so let's ban the toy guns instead of addressing cops who show up on the scene shooting first.
02:58:24.000Exactly, and in the case of the 12-year-old, I mean, he was shot instantly.
03:00:57.000Hi Paul, I was listening to Curtis Sliwa and Ron Cooby at a New York station, I think it's syndicated throughout the United States, and they were talking about the issues and they said they had an expert on there that was sort of neutral, he wasn't pro-cop, whatever he's been involved in this situations in New York routinely.
03:01:18.000And he said it was mainly because it was in Staten Island.
03:01:22.000Staten Island is a bedroom community for lots of the police, including their families.
03:01:27.000So if you have mostly family and people who are related to the cops in one way or another, it's harder than ever to get a jury to.
03:01:37.000And And the other point they were making, they should have probably had a special prosecutor.
03:01:40.000But I have another slant on this as well, because I've been victimized by police as well as not being victimized in other countries.
03:01:48.000Anybody who thinks that this is the way we should do police business, they should do a Google search on how many people were killed by cops in Japan.
03:02:00.000As Paul pointed out, we've had more in one year than they've had in the entire history of policing in the U.K., And they've got a much longer history of policing there than we do here.
03:02:09.000And I've had incidents with police in Japan because I lived there several years, and even started yelling at a cop because he kept bothering me every time I went by.
03:02:18.000He thought all white guys look the same, you know?
03:02:21.000I'd tell him, we don't look the same, can't you remember?
03:03:32.000We're fighting a case where a gentleman was charged with murder.
03:03:36.000What led up to the charges is he found out he had a fugitive living next door.
03:03:41.000And when he helped the guy, eventually the guy told him that he was, uh, confessed he was wanted for rape.
03:03:49.000My guy went to the police, he made arrangements with the police to deliver this guy to the police.
03:03:55.000So, he takes him down the road, they pull the guy over for speeding, Reprimand my guy who's speeding and pull the fell out of the car gently and courteously and ask him who he is and then without even cuffing him or checking to see if there is a warrant they take him back to the shack where he stays.
03:04:17.000Where he promptly bolts having no cuffs on him.
03:04:22.000They assure my guy no big deal but next day they amount an enormous manhunt.