In this episode of the Alex Jones Show, host Alex Jones is joined by the Reverend C.L. Bryant and Pastor Rodney Howard-Brown to discuss the torture report released by Sen. Dianne Feinstein. They also discuss race relations in America and the use of race as a means to divide Americans.
00:02:25.000Bryant is going to be joining us to talk about race relations in this country.
00:02:29.000We're also going to have Pastor Rodney Howard-Brown on, who's a South African, to break down how it was used politically to divide folks in South Africa.
00:02:39.000So a black preacher and a white preacher, who are friends by the way, we're going to get both of their perspectives.
00:02:44.000A perspective you won't get from the controlled right or the controlled left.
00:02:48.000The key is researching things outside the box to understand how the social engineers are manipulating things.
00:02:57.000And then Dr. Steve Pachenik on the torture report, put out by Dianne Feinstein.
00:03:03.000That's all a bunch of smoke and mirrors that we're getting to the bottom of it, and oh, it gave us this great intel, and oh, it's not really torture, it's enhanced, or man, you ought to see the Russians, they really torture, or boy, the Chinese, they really torture, so why shouldn't we?
00:03:22.000Because torture is extremely useful and extremely effective, is why we shouldn't be doing it.
00:03:28.000Now wait for it, not effective in getting real intel, effective in terrorizing the population, effective in getting fake confessions, effective in creating fear worldwide, And effective in then scapegoating America in the end for the globalist agenda when they go to the next level of planetary government and are done having the US honcho world government.
00:04:06.000It's why every thug dictator from Idi Amin to Ceaucescu to Fidel and Raul Castro use it.
00:04:17.000And when they get up there and go, Obama's against it, to get conservatives watching Fox News to go, yeah, don't take my torture, you know, snuggle toy away.
00:04:27.000How do you get a dog to really want something, not let him have it?
00:04:31.000Or, I'm not going to let you have broccoli, you tell the two-year-old.
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00:08:16.000Homeland Security begins with hometown security.
00:08:21.000It seems apparent that our citizens are staying off the streets, which may make scarring particularly difficult, even with this year's rule changes to the world.
00:08:35.000To recap those revisions, women ...are still worth 10 points more than men in all age brackets.
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00:08:53.000The big score, anyone, any sex, over 75 years old, has been upped to 100 points.
00:09:03.000As always, how fast you move determines how long you live.
00:09:13.000Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.
00:10:33.000Joe Biggs, who we really ought to do interview with and a report on in studio talking about his experiences with it would go out on patrols grab people out of their houses that they were ordered to target and deliver them to the fbi the dea special forces cia depending on which group it was and sometimes the people didn't come out and they would hear the screaming the begging
00:11:02.000it would go on and on and on there have been special uh investigations there have been admissions there have been investigative journalist reports where soldiers have gone public admitting that sometimes they go into a village in afghanistan and just kill everyone in it including babies you And then the argument is, well that's how you get tough and win wars.
00:11:33.000No, what you really do is lose the moral high ground.
00:11:39.000And then America can be demonized worldwide.
00:11:45.000But know this, Dianne Feinstein's Senate report on CIA and enhanced interrogation, as it's called, that'd be like if I robbed a bank at high noon with a machine gun and roughed up a few of the tellers Or if you did it, and when the police came, you said, I'm not robbing a bank in armed robbery, aggravated robbery.
00:12:10.000I am engaged in a enhanced withdrawal from the bank.
00:12:18.000Or if you beat somebody to death with a baseball bat, you didn't beat him to death, you were just involved in an enhanced massage.
00:12:29.000Now the argument is these people blew up the World Trade Centers and so they deserve it.
00:12:37.000Everything that's been done with torture, rendition, the NDAA, the Patriot Acts 1 and 2, from day one was focused on the American people, period.
00:12:59.000It's always been about erasing the Bill of Rights and Constitution and rolling out NSA spying publicly, saying it's for Al-Qaeda.
00:13:08.000Rolling out torture, saying it's for Al-Qaeda, but it's really for the general public.
00:13:13.000Rolling out total control and the end of any underground free market systems in the name of fighting Al-Qaeda, but really shutting down any type of free commerce.
00:13:22.000This is all about converting us from a free society to a tyranny with a capital T. Now I know that most of our audience knows that.
00:13:37.000But I wanted today to actually get into what torture itself is really being carried out for.
00:13:49.000First and foremost, if the people that have hijacked our government can ever get away with openly selling torture, the sky's the limit.
00:14:01.000Already, for more than 30 years in this country, they have what they call Pain compliance in police departments.
00:14:10.000And in my film, Martial Law, we show large clips of this, of the LAPD and others breaking pro-lifers' arms for sitting on the sidewalk with nunchucks, twisting them around their arms and breaking them.
00:14:29.000In fact, if you go to YouTube, guys, and type in Martial law 9-1-1 the police state and just skip ahead like three hours the very last 10 minutes of the film.
00:14:40.000There's an extra that gets into torture.
00:14:46.000We ought to re-air that whole extra here on air sometime.
00:14:53.000It shows in Cincinnati and it shows in LA peaceful people on the sidewalks Having two cops with billy clubs twist them together till the arm breaks or twisting nunchucks around and then breaking the arm and the Christian still just sits there bleeding on the ground and the cops come with billy clubs and start beating him in the head.
00:15:19.000And Democratic Party judges back it in Democratic Party controlled areas.
00:15:23.000If you look at where torture actually goes on, on the books, and is defended by the judges, Democratic controlled areas.
00:15:31.000Now the Republicans are wild police state pushers as well.
00:15:35.000There's a lot of things that factor into this larger system.
00:15:42.000Number one, it's about using it domestically and being able to corrupt the judicial system beyond repair.
00:15:50.000Number two, it's about getting fake confessions.
00:15:54.000Number three, it's about having laboratories with people as young as 14 at Camp X-Ray and other camps around the world, not just Gitmo, where they can grab innocent people but psychologically profile them and find people that can be double and triple agents to actually go out and lead ISIS Al-Qaeda brigades.
00:16:16.000They had 17-year-olds and people that were in Gitmo for eight years that were released when they're 25 years old to go command brigades of 4,000 men.
00:16:26.000And they know where to get the drop-offs of the weapons.
00:16:29.000They are the intermediary with the C-130s that land with the weapons.
00:16:40.000So, it's actually a college to find recruits.
00:16:44.000Just like a Soviet re-education camp would be an old sports stadium or an old prison, and they would bring in tens of thousands of people per week.
00:16:51.000Most of them would only stay a few days.
00:16:53.000They'd beat you, torture you, find out if you were easy to break, if you'd go on their payroll and be one of their operatives.
00:17:00.000It's mainly about bringing you under control, bringing you under fear.
00:17:04.000And that's what they do at Gitmo, is they find the people that will be the double and triple agents.
00:17:14.000So understand that, that the CIA base and DARPA base that is admitted to be within Gitmo is admittedly a CIA mind control laboratory.
00:17:30.000We are showing for TV viewers and Infowars.com forward slash show peaceful pro-lifers on the sidewalks one after the other having their arms broken with precision.
00:17:41.000Gonna hear anything from Dianne Feinstein about that?
00:17:45.000Turns out when she was a senator she pressured the courts to rule this legal.
00:17:53.000And I've noticed whenever the cops break one of their arms, the others will come up and start beating them to second it.
00:18:12.000Because these are people trying to save unborn babies.
00:18:14.000And we've got hours of the video as they just sit there grabbing women's hair, gouging their eyes in, twisting their arms so they break, choking them.
00:18:29.000So understand, folks, this is being done across the board.
00:18:31.000This is what, bipartisanly, the police since the 70s have been taught to do in many departments.
00:18:40.000They could just pick him up and throw him in a paddy wagon like places like Austin, Texas.
00:18:44.000I mean, Austin's got its own problems, but I'm sorry.
00:19:00.000This torture is all about legitimizing in here.
00:19:03.000But more importantly, in the larger aspect worldwide, radical Islam is being funded, protected, shepherded, and when we let the system take our rights away in the name of feidic and radical Islam, we fall into the larger trap.
00:19:20.000China, Russia, all these other countries can criticize us and call us despicable now, because our government admitted they did all this, then lied about it later.
00:19:31.000That's all part of demonizing us towards the collapse later when America's service usefulness to the world government.
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00:25:55.000And any criticism of the system is just you saying America isn't awesome.
00:26:01.000No, America's awesome and exceptional when we have the lowest taxes, the most freedom, the best courts, the most transparent systems.
00:26:12.000America's not awesome when we have the biggest government in the world, the biggest debt in the world, the most unhealthy people in the world, paramilitary police, totally legal surveillance.
00:26:22.000Our government is hiring Al-Qaeda groups, calling them ISIS, to turn loose against Syria.
00:26:30.000Then they go crazy, break ranks and go into Iraq, so now we have to fight them.
00:26:38.000And there's this cult-like mentality out there that if you just say everything's awesome and live in denial, you'll be okay.
00:26:46.000Almost everybody I know who's had kids that commit suicide, almost everybody I know who has horrible stuff happen in their life, live in denial and say everything is awesome.
00:27:01.000And will tell their friends and family and others good job when they haven't done a good job.
00:27:10.000I'm not one-tenth as extreme as the fictional character in the movie Whiplash that I went and saw this weekend.
00:27:26.000If you don't want to act like a free person, and you don't want to stand up for yourself, you're going to be a slave!
00:27:32.000And slaves usually have some little shuck and jive dance that they put on politically of why it's okay that they're slaves, and okay that they lay down, and okay that they went along with evil.
00:27:50.000But make no mistake, even if you hate Muslims with a die-hard passion, Know that the people running our country into the ground are financing radical Islam and turning it loose as a weapon against non-radical Muslims all over the world and are turning them against us so the government can play the part of the hero and the savior and take our freedoms and then flip homeland security on the people.
00:28:18.000Whether it's Germany, or England, or the United States, or Russia, they all used 9-11 to take people's freedoms, and now they use the Patriot Act against land rights activists?
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00:28:45.000I mean, they don't just say radical extremists.
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00:40:48.000Now, before I get to my breakdown, Of what's really going on with torture and why we should all be against it.
00:41:04.000I want to go to David Knight's report.
00:41:09.000There's also one by Leon McAdoo we're going to play later.
00:41:11.000Torture the ugly truth Feinstein won't confront.
00:41:17.000And we're going to play that report and I'm going to come back in three and a half minutes and give you my multifaceted take on what's really behind the torture and also why we want to be vehemently opposed to it.
00:41:30.000Here is that special report with David Knight.
00:41:33.000As Gruber goes before Congress to be drilled for torturing the data about Obamacare in order to deceive the American people, a heavily edited and censored report about actual torture was released by the Senate.
00:41:46.000Republican and Democrat reactions have been as predictable as they are hypocritical.
00:41:50.000But the most surprising reaction has come from some libertarians who have in the past opposed torture.
00:41:59.000Senator Feinstein is sanctimoniously promoting the release as a confrontation of the ugly truth.
00:42:06.000History will judge us by our commitment to a just society governed by law and the willingness to face an ugly truth and say never again.
00:42:18.000Without any sense of irony or guilt, Feinstein says that on the very same day that the NDAA heads to the Senate floor for the fourth time under her leadership.
00:42:27.000It destroys our commitment to a just society governed by the rule of law when it presumes to authorize illegal, unconstitutional actions like indefinite detention of U.S.
00:42:37.000citizens by the military without any charges, as well as rendition and presumably enhanced interrogation.
00:42:44.000Federal government's euphemism for torture.
00:42:53.000And of course, after the 1600-page NDAA was released at 10.30 at night, the GOP House passed it just a day and a half later, mocking their pledge of 2010 to always read the bill.
00:43:07.000And they're going to do the same thing with the omnibus continuing resolution spending bill, keeping it secret until just a few hours before the vote.
00:43:15.000And will the Republican who's likely to take Feinstein's place on the Senate Intelligence Committee be any better than Feinstein?
00:43:23.000Richard Burr will be much worse, having already gone on record saying there shouldn't be any public hearing about what the CIA or the NSA does about anything.
00:43:32.000But the most amazing reaction that shows how low America has already sunk into accepting a lawless government comes from the Executive Director of the ACLU, who previously lobbied Bush to oppose presidential pardons for those who had planned and authorized torture.
00:43:49.000The ACLU director points out that neither Obama nor the Justice Department has shown any appetite for holding anyone accountable.
00:43:57.000When the department did conduct an investigation, it appeared not to have interviewed any of the prisoners who were tortured.
00:44:02.000And it repeatedly abused the state secret's privilege in order to derail cases brought by prisoners, including Americans, who were tortured as enemy combatants.
00:44:13.000But now the ACLU is calling for formal pardons for these people.
00:44:17.000Their tortured logic, worthy of John Gruber, is that doing nothing, as Obama has and will do, is a tacit pardon.
00:44:25.000We need to have, they say, an explicit pardon, so we can, as a society, at least acknowledge that laws were broken.
00:44:34.000No longer any hope of criminal prosecution for leaders and government employees who violate the law, commit treason and torture people, including American citizens.
00:44:43.000No, the best we can hope for is to say it was wrong.
00:44:47.000But don't think that you're going to even get that in this kind of lawless society.
00:44:52.000Our government no longer has the will to punish cops who murder or politicians who torture and murder.
00:44:59.000That's the real ugly truth we have to confront.
00:45:02.000For InfoWars Nightly News, I'm David Knight.
00:45:04.000We are so blessed to have David Knight here in our operation.
00:45:08.000Just an amazing mind, great research, and a great host of the nightly news and this radio show.
00:45:13.000The reason I played that report is he gets at the heart of it.
00:45:18.000And then I'll add to all the satellite issues that are connected to it.
00:45:23.000There's a philosophy of the globalists.
00:45:26.000Create financial banking systems where central private banks control the issuance of currency and credit.
00:45:32.000They're able to take over the world. - Yeah.
00:45:35.000THEN TO ILLEGITIMATELY CONTINUE THAT AND EXPAND SOCIAL ENGINEERING TOWARDS THEIR AIM OF POPULATION REDUCTION They then want to shut up police states.
00:45:45.000To do that, they've got to fund and finance and protect terrorist groups to create the outside threat to allow them to come in and take control.
00:45:54.000And this isn't me saying this 14 years ago.
00:45:56.000I said it 14 years ago and now it's come true.
00:46:23.000Then they deny it's happening, they get caught doing it.
00:46:26.000Then they make excuses for it, whitewash it, don't get in trouble for it, and are now coming out with new laws they're trying to pass to codify it on the books, where there'll be no due process, period.
00:46:47.000When they get caught, they whitewash it, legitimize it, and have the courts and the legislatures certify it.
00:46:55.000I remember having guests on 19 years ago who were showing me Mears documents and others, I believe it had Mears, documents dealing with robo-signing.
00:47:07.000And telling me that they're selling mortgages 10, 20, 30 times and teaching me about derivatives.
00:47:14.000And some of them were like former city council members and economists like George Humphrey.
00:47:22.000I mean, I knew he'd been on the city council when I was in high school.
00:47:25.000I knew he, you know, was a wealthy guy that owned buildings downtown.
00:47:29.000I knew that he owned clothing stores around the country.
00:47:32.000I mean, I knew he was a well-known guy around town and I started fighting the New World Order, and George said, hey, let's go out to eat, or hey, come on my AXS show.
00:47:40.000He would go to an AXS show just to get the word out.
00:48:05.000But see, I would then talk about that and have guests on and people thought I was a space alien.
00:48:11.000Now everybody knows about robo-signers and derivatives and credit default swaps and how they sell some mortgages a hundred times or people who had their mortgage paid off for 20 years and had paid cash.
00:48:23.000Bank of America comes along and forecloses.
00:48:50.000See, nobody's house is safe, nobody's property is safe under a fascist system.
00:48:55.000And that's what this is politically for the elite.
00:48:58.000They're in a fascist system where there's still free market, but government decides winners and losers.
00:49:04.000And the corporations then put their people in to shut down their competition.
00:49:09.000And then throughout the chain, anyone working for government Or major corporations ends up being like the new nobility who is above the law, and we go back to pre-Magna Carta, Battle of Runnymede 1215, where the people got together and had the king, captured him at the battle, and said, you signed the Magna Carta, Or we're going to cut your head off right now.
00:49:36.000You are not going to let your lords rape our daughters whenever they feel like it.
00:49:40.000You're not going to let your sheriffs kill our people whenever they want, the cops.
00:50:05.000Those Englishmen that were in the colonies knew their rights that their fathers and grandfathers had fought and died for in the old country.
00:50:14.000That's where all the freedom comes from is England, ladies and gentlemen.
00:50:45.000Sticking a fork in us, openly torturing to get fake confessions, to create spies that have been tortured into submission, and it's also to be used against us to create fear.
00:50:56.000And that's what this is, is a whole giant, sickening whitewash where they make it political, where now if you're against torture, you support Obama, when Obama is continuing the torture.
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00:54:42.000The president says, I'll make sure we never resort to those methods again.
00:54:48.000Terror warning issued ahead of the report.
00:54:54.000House GOP spending bill includes $1 billion to help poor and unskilled Central American migrants establish themselves in the United States.
00:55:03.000See, the GOP is involved in this because of the same special interests.
00:55:48.000It's about government not being accountable on banker bailouts, on torture, on an executive president that acts like a dictator, on the derivatives, on every front.
00:56:04.000And they want to sell the idea that patriotism is going along with torture.
00:56:09.000And they play that parlor trick Of saying Obama is releasing this report with Feinstein to blame Republicans and to make himself look good.
00:56:22.000The difference is, though, bipartisanly, they're all involved in it together, as we showed with the NDAA, the Patriot Act, and folks, it's continuing.
00:56:32.000I've talked to the active duty soldiers, and it's come out in the news.
00:56:37.000They are now handing them over like they did pre 9-11 to third parties in Jordan and Romania and Poland and Ukraine and Egypt.
00:56:48.000Though Egypt doesn't trust the US anymore and isn't doing it.
00:56:53.000And mainly it's not about getting answers from bad guys.
00:56:59.000It is about Setting the precedent, creating cadres of U.S.
00:57:05.000military and others that will torture people.
00:57:10.000And believe me, ladies and gentlemen, it goes on.
00:57:14.000Now it's true that all the major studies show that promising to give somebody money or to take care of their kids or to give them lenient treatment works better than torture.
00:57:25.000You put a gun to somebody's head or start chopping their fingers off, they'll start talking.
00:57:31.000But it's a greater evil to have something like that going on, because it will be deployed against innocent people, and it does lead to absolute hell on earth in every case.
00:57:43.000That's why the communists and the Nazis and everybody else uses it, and that's why America supposedly didn't use torture.
00:57:50.000And I've read the history books, both the British, the French, and the colonial, and it's true.
00:58:20.000And the British, who engaged in some of the atrocities, nothing compared to what you see nowadays, turned a lot of the colonies against him with atrocities.
00:58:31.000So, in the endgame, it's about demonizing America long-term as global government comes in.
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01:00:46.000Oh, if you're against torture, you're for Obama or Al-Qaeda, that our own government's funding, when the jihadis are the most famous for torturing people, period.
01:02:03.000Where the narcotics are shipped in, laundered by the big banks, and then when the low-level dealers or the users get caught, they get thrown in giant prisons on record owned by the very big banks, running and laundering the drugs, and even leasing and owning, as Bloomberg was forced to report, the aircraft.
01:02:23.000I've talked to folks in the military, from Joint Task Force 6 and Fort Bliss and others, and they'll sit there, Watching drug aircraft, big ones come in.
01:02:34.000And they'll be ordered, leave that one alone, leave that one alone, that's one of ours.
01:02:37.000Now we're going to stop that little one coming in right there.
01:03:03.000That if drugs are legal and nobody's using them in 1930, and you've just lost alcohol prohibition that you're making all this money off of, what do you do?
01:03:21.000But apparently, the average American still doesn't get it.
01:03:25.00016 years after the CIA fully declassified, with their Inspector General report, I remember watching him testify on C-SPAN, and I thought, man, the war on drugs will stop now, because the CIA Inspector General just admitted they bring most of the drugs in.
01:04:45.000We want to identify the globalists, the big central banks that have pulled this off, that want racial and political divides in this country with a dumbed-down population so the social engineers can continue on with business as usual.
01:04:58.000Coming up, we're going to look at how they Balkanized and divided the public in the name of reform in South Africa and more.
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01:08:31.000Bryant and Pastor Rodney Howard Brown to discuss, from their perspectives, Wanna White?
01:08:40.000Pastor formerly from South Africa, or in South Africa, the other, a black pastor here in America, what the racial manipulation is really all about and where they think it's going.
01:08:50.000And one of the pastors wanted us to play, I think it's C.L.
01:08:54.000Bryant, this clip I hadn't seen until this morning, but I've seen similar clips, where a racist black lady wants water, world star hip-hop.
01:09:03.000WorldStarHipHop is a super viral hip-hop site for those that don't know.
01:09:07.000Some of our videos on there get as many as 3-4 million views.
01:09:11.000And this latest video dovetails with the famous lady out of Florida who had like 16 kids.
01:09:17.000She goes, somebody needs to give me some money!
01:10:57.000Yes, Kaitlin, the robbery happened here at the CNS Gun & Pawn Shop on Thompson Avenue around 9 this morning.
01:11:03.000Two men attempted to rob the store carrying semi-automatic pistols.
01:11:07.000And again, police do have both suspects in custody.
01:11:12.000This surveillance video shows 25-year-old Marcus Gould and 20-year-old Leon Robinson coming into the store and looking around for a few minutes.
01:11:20.000They then split up and pulled guns on both the man and woman working.
01:11:24.000The woman reached into her waistband and pulled out a gun, shooting Gould.
01:11:28.000He shot back but did not hit the woman, instead hitting the books just in front of her.
01:11:32.000It looks like he was hit in the exchange of gunfire and there's also blood in that same area.
01:11:37.000The severity of that injury, I don't know.
01:11:39.000Police say Robertson took Gould to Sparks Hospital in Fort Smith.
01:11:43.000That's where they arrested both men this evening.
01:11:45.000Across the street from the pawn shop is Scottish Inn and Suites.
01:11:48.000Owner Cal Gandhi was at work this morning when it happened.
01:11:52.000When I came out in the office, I saw the ambulance coming.
01:11:56.000A lot of police officers came in as well and detectives were here too.
01:12:01.000Ghandi says this isn't the first time the store has been targeted or the first time the owners have shot back.
01:13:12.000Bryant, who has done, I'm not going to cover all the amazing things he's done, but he has the big hit film, independent filmmaker of the documentary Runaway Slave.
01:13:21.000He writes a column for SP Magazine and is the host of America on the Edge with C.L.
01:13:28.000And we're joined by a gentleman he recommended, Pastor Rodney Brown, born in Port Elizabeth, South Africa, grew up in Eastern Cape.
01:13:38.000Rodney and his wife came to America with only $300 and four suitcases with their children at age seven under the banner of Revival Ministries International.
01:13:46.000They travel 46 weeks a year holding weekly meetings in cities across North America and around the world and pastor a church in Tampa, Florida.
01:13:55.000Tampa Bay, founded in 96, and Pastor Brown also travels frequently to DC to meet with Congressmen and Senators on both sides of the aisle to discuss global banking system and other pressing issues.
01:14:08.000So that's the reason he's on with us, but also to give his perspective from what happened in South Africa, how they take a real wrong, but then use it to bring in basically communism, is my view.
01:14:18.000They take one evil and replace it with another.
01:14:20.000But we're going to discuss it all in the balance of the hour with both gentlemen.
01:14:26.000CL Bryant, good to have you back with us.
01:14:31.000Thank you so much for having us both on again.
01:14:35.000We're going to get to your colleague in a moment to get his take on things, but first off, Ferguson, the whole state of the world Now, you know, the tragic death in New York where the cop chokes the man to death.
01:14:48.000I mean, seriously, there's some real problems on both sides of the issue here, but what do you think Obama and the Justice Department are really trying to do?
01:14:57.000What they're trying to do, Alex, is create an underclass here in this country by their actions, and they're using emotionalism of skin color in order to do it.
01:15:09.000Personal responsibility is something that is totally gone out of the window.
01:15:14.000In both cases, with both of these gentlemen who tragically lost their lives, or both of these men who tragically lost their lives, it was not their skin color that got them killed.
01:15:27.000And, uh, in the case of Michael Brown, obviously, his last moments on Earth were documented as to what he was participating in, and that was a strong armed robbery.
01:15:41.000Lots of color of his skin caused him to do that.
01:15:45.000And in the case of New York City, where a daughter was choked to death, unfortunately the policies of Mayor Bloomberg is what got him killed.
01:16:15.000Oh, they've been very successful in doing it, especially with a class that is uninformed and broke.
01:16:23.000Most of those people that are out on the street protesting and so forth, except for the occupiers, the Wall Street occupier type, who are probably trust fund babies.
01:16:35.000But most of those people, black people who are out on the streets doing the protesting and all of that, I would like to know how many of them are receiving government checks.
01:16:44.000How much of this are we funding ourselves because we're giving them government checks to be out there carrying them?
01:17:18.000I mean, watching CNN and MSNBC act like Brown was some type of angel, there are a lot of real cases of police misconduct they can focus in on, but they don't do that.
01:17:28.000They focus in on the ones where the poster child for it is a strong-armed thug.
01:17:34.000It's tragic to see how they are blasting the police in this situation.
01:17:43.000I really like him speaking his mind, but the facts are these.
01:17:47.000Less than, more than 95% of all police contact with civilians end very, very well.
01:17:56.000The only time, usually, that you hear a police officer going awry is in a situation like this.
01:18:03.000Have there been historically in the past, and I'm going back 40, 50 years, where there was need to, in the South in particular, to be wary of police officers?
01:18:28.000We're going to go to break here in a moment and come back with both of you.
01:18:31.000And I want you guys to speak about what you want to get into that you think is most important, instead of me just asking the questions, because you both have such a wealth of knowledge.
01:18:40.000But tell us about your colleague as we go out to break, and then we'll come back and talk to him some.
01:18:45.000Pastor Rodney Howard Brown is a man of great courage.
01:18:49.000And what is beautiful about he and I, and we team up on some occasions, The visual effect that you see of a South African born Caucasian and myself being a black American citizen, both of us now citizens of the United States, is very powerful because we both are men of the cloth, men of God, and Alex, we are in fact Taking on this particular issue in this country.
01:19:18.000And I believe that we're doing it in a very powerful way.
01:19:23.000And of course he'll toot his own horn as to how he's doing it.
01:19:27.000And I do believe that he has a powerful ministry and I'm very happy to be friends with him and certainly glad to be on with you and him on this show today.
01:19:39.000Pastor, we're going to break here in about 10 minutes.
01:19:41.000I'm going to skip this network break because it's so important.
01:19:44.000I want to get into the banking with you later to understand what they're trying to distract us from.
01:19:49.000But Pastor, with your unique perspective from South Africa, looking at what's now happening here in the U.S., what do you think is really going on?
01:19:59.000First of all, Alex, let me say it's an honor to be on with you.
01:20:04.000And thank you for your voice on insanity in a world full of lies and deceit.
01:20:09.000But it's the age old story of divide and conquer.
01:20:13.000Like in South Africa, what people don't know, De Beers funded the war in Angola.
01:20:19.000To stop the diamonds from coming out of Angola.
01:20:22.000So here you've got one million landmines in Angola, they stir it up as a racial thing, and when in reality South Africa does not own its gold, it does not own its diamonds, De Beers owns the diamonds, and Anglo-American owns the gold.
01:20:35.000And that was all done by a man called Jan Smuts, who was Prime Minister of South Africa, went to Cambridge, was going to fall out of university, he was conscripted, Uh, by a wealthy man took him on his wing, he went back to Kimberley, secured the diamond fields for De Beers, went back to the Transvaal, pretended to oppose the British, but actually secured the gold fields for Anglo-American, and, uh, he rode down the pole moor with the Queen.
01:21:02.000What is an Afrikaner, a white Afrikaner, riding down the pole moor with the Queen of England if he didn't sell out to the system?
01:21:10.000So basically, a high treason was committed In our country, by a man who was supposed to be the leader of our nation, who sold out our diamonds and our gold.
01:21:21.000And of course, if they get white and black to fight each other, then while we're fighting each other and everybody's distracted, they steal everything that we have.
01:21:30.000I was just in South Africa, and I was on national television across the nation, and I challenged everybody.
01:21:45.000There's more trouble there right now because, basically, they can put the puppets in power, but he who pays the piper calls the tune.
01:21:54.000And so, until we deal with the money system of the globe, the politicians, the next one will be out of office, the next one will be in, and he will pay to the highest bidder.
01:22:06.000As in America right now, we've got $4 billion a year coming through the hands of the lobby groups.
01:22:12.000Into the hands of the Congress and the Senate.
01:22:15.000And it is stuff like this that just angers me and I'm going to do whatever I can in every way possible to speak out against it and to challenge those in power that they need to repent and get right with God.
01:22:28.000It's almost like people have lost the fear of God and they don't realize that they're going to stand before God and give an account of what they've done on the earth and especially with humanity.
01:22:39.000We know that civilizations go through cycles.
01:22:41.000We're going into a very decadent part of the cycle right now.
01:22:44.000The question is how bad will it get before people realize that the wages of corruption, the wages of sin or death, and we're talking about political corruption, social corruption, for those that don't know about what happened in Africa, From my layman research, there were certainly problems, but it wasn't just black against white.
01:23:04.000It was ANC against Zulu, and Afrikaner against the British, and people don't know about the Boer War.
01:23:13.000But from what I've researched, it's very simple.
01:23:15.000The big British interests, not even the British people, Came in over the last 115 years, took over the gold, took over the diamonds, took over all the major resources.
01:23:25.000And then to defeat the indigenous, not indigenous, more indigenous than the British, the Dutch who'd been there first.
01:23:32.000They started playing different tribes off against each other.
01:23:35.000And then they just sent Mandela in the communist to then pose as this heavenly savior because the television told us so.
01:23:42.000And now what the murder rates about five times what it was.
01:23:45.000Unemployment's almost double what it was.
01:23:52.000Where the majority of blacks in many areas want to go back.
01:23:56.000Well, I wouldn't go back to apartheid.
01:23:58.000I would try to go to something better, where the people actually get the resources, and that's exactly what's happening here.
01:24:03.000Well, what's happening, too, in some places, 65% unemployment.
01:24:09.000But let me just tell you, Alex, the people are waking up.
01:24:12.000A former head of the South African Reserve Bank just came up with a book called Inside the South African Reserve Bank, Its Origin and Secret Exposed.
01:24:20.000And there's a whole group of people that are rising up to sue the South African Reserve Bank for its money creation and what's going on.
01:24:28.000And I found a group in England, I was just in London last week, I met with a group called Positive Money, and they're doing the same thing for the first time in 170 years British Parliament heard about money creation.
01:24:41.000So I would say that people are getting themselves in the corner And they're coming out.
01:24:46.000I just don't know what it's going to take the American people to wake up and realize what's going on.
01:24:54.000They don't want to listen to what I'm saying.
01:24:56.000But I promise you that what's taking place right now And what they want to do is create the place to be total lawlessness and to have a situation where we can't trust the police.
01:25:08.000Then they're going to bring in the NATO troops, and we are going to martial law.
01:25:11.000I mean, that's the next step on the agenda.
01:25:14.000Apart from going house to house in gun confiscation, all driven by United Nations Agenda 21.
01:25:19.000And so I find myself, you know, obviously we go around, we preach the gospel.
01:25:25.000We went into Washington, D.C., back in July, C. O'Brien came and joined me, 15 nights, I preached the gospel, 400 yards from the White House, I exposed the whole system, the Federal Reserve, the IRS, and all the wickedness that's going on, and then during the day, we went into the Congress and the Senate, and I met with many people, both sides of the aisle, One Democratic Senator looked at me and he said to me, Sir, when you come to Washington, you have to decide, are you going to sell your soul?
01:25:54.000Then he looked at me and said, I have not sold my soul.
01:25:57.000But he said, Sir, we are an industrial military complex and we are run by offshore banks.
01:26:02.000And then another congressman looked at me when I told him what's going on with the global money system.
01:26:17.000He said, when it all collapses, he said, there will be no food in the stores.
01:26:21.000And he said, within 12 hours, there will be riots.
01:26:24.000And he said, we will go to martial law.
01:26:26.000So there are people on the inside of the system that are trying to do their best, they just don't know what to do because obviously the whole system is controlled by our wonderful Federal Reserve.
01:26:39.000Let me just inject here, and then get C.L.
01:26:41.000Bryant's take on this, the big picture of why they're playing us off against each other.
01:26:46.000They have engineered a collapse so that they can break us fully and basically force us all onto welfare.
01:27:16.000And as you said, when I talk to congressmen and senators privately, a lot of them that you don't hear on the show, folks, I'll just leave it at that, and generals, they go, no, you're absolutely right.
01:27:35.000Pastor Bryant, your take on what Mr. Brown was just speaking about, and your overall take on any hope for this country.
01:27:46.000This is why I wanted to introduce you to Rodney Howard Brown.
01:27:52.000It's because his view, your view, my view, these are the views that in fact can enlighten and save our nation, our republic.
01:28:06.000Black people don't realize that they have been a test case, a test tube case, for what is happening for 40 years, 50 years.
01:28:20.000There is an underclass, as has been created in South Africa, that is being created right now by the Obama policy.
01:28:30.000Obama was in fact a pawn, a puppet, Of those who want to bring this about.
01:28:38.000He's failed in everything else but this.
01:28:42.000Even the amnesty thing that is coming about is, in fact, a part of a design.
01:28:49.000There is a design to bring America to its knees.
01:28:54.000And black people need to understand, especially those clowns who are rioting in the streets, That if, in fact, there is any other place on this globe where they would want to be black, then they need to go there.
01:29:09.000And Rodney Howard Brown, Pastor Brown, can certainly tell you that they do not want to go to South Africa.
01:29:16.000And there's no other place that I could possibly name that black people would experience the benefits, the wealth, even if you're poor, that they have being able to experience in America.
01:29:29.000And so, my take on all of this is that there is an awakening that must take place in this country, or in fact, there will be martial law and there will be an underclass that will help drive it, and Alex Johnson, and his minions, people like him, even Eric Holder.
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01:35:01.000Had documentary filmmakers, mercenaries on, and I want his colleague, to correct me if I'm wrong, Pastor Rodney Howard Brown, But in most movies, when you see Leonardo DiCaprio finding out that there's an evil African country secretly selling diamonds, and they're blood diamonds.
01:35:19.000They're only blood diamonds when somebody in a country or a region is mining diamonds on their own or through a government to sell them on the market.
01:35:30.000And De Beers and the Oppenheimers, on record, will send in helicopter gunships to take you out, just outside of law.
01:35:37.000I remember an article in 99 in New Yorker Magazine bragging about it.
01:35:41.000My dad, on the side, just because he went to college with some of them, knew a major South African family that was in the diamond business, was one of the only families ever To develop a diamond mine outside of De Beers and then Clinton ordered an environmental zone in Arkansas and they bought them out for four billion dollars.
01:36:02.000My dad's friends developed those mines in Arkansas.
01:36:19.000And I'm kind of segwaying off, but it shows the type of emotionalism that goes on.
01:36:24.000The real blood diamonds are the certified safe by the UN and De Beers.
01:36:31.000That just shows the triumph of fraud over reality.
01:36:35.000They don't want Africa, with its incredible resources, to actually go to the Africans.
01:36:39.000So every time some country starts building up, I mean, look at what they've done in different areas, kicking all the whites out, with the U.N.
01:36:47.000there promoting it, because they want Africa to collapse.
01:36:51.000I'm going to go back to Pastor Rodney Howard Brown of Revival.com.
01:37:49.000They're like the Austrians, who in fact have their faces, their heads, And they certainly don't want to tell their congregants what's going on because so many of them have actually sold their souls to the system in order to keep their doors open.
01:38:13.000We have a book available at Infowarsstore.com by Pastor Chuck Baldwin called Romans 13, written with his son as a constitutional lawyer.
01:38:21.000And they use Romans 13 out of context.
01:38:24.000If Romans 13 was believed in the context Hitler used it for, or our government uses it for, pastors, I'd like you to both comment on this, then Jesus should have followed his orders, or the disciples, or Alex, there are fiery furnaces in front of us now.
01:38:39.000in should have done what government told them if all government is basically by God.
01:39:11.000I do want to yield to him at this point.
01:39:14.000I really think people need to hear what he has to say.
01:39:16.000We'll have him back by himself and you back by himself as well, Mr. Bryant.
01:39:20.000But sure, before we get into South Africa parallels, how they don't let Africa have its own resources, any gold or diamonds, buying African countries a blood diamond.
01:39:29.000This is the type of word games they play.
01:40:14.000That so many things that are happening under the Obama administration are based on the fact that this man is also complicit with the racism that he claims to be so much against.
01:40:29.000Well, that was the Margaret Sanger, Rockefeller, Darwinian, eugenics plan.
01:41:59.000If they think that we're going to be quiet, let me tell you right now, it'll be a cold day in hell with the devil singing Frosty the Snowman before I shut up.
01:42:17.000So, they should never have sworn me in as a citizen, because you've got a problem now.
01:42:23.000You've got somebody who really believes in the Constitution and is going to stand up against tyranny.
01:42:28.000And so, I know that there's a group of ministers that once they hear they have what they call a one-Sunday-a-week So they called me and they said, would you like to join us?
01:42:59.000We're giving people opportunities to accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.
01:43:02.000We are raising all of our people to go out and then I bust people in from the inner cities.
01:43:08.000Our church is totally integrated and we have to reach the inner cities of America because this is the boiling pot that if the money system collapses, there'll be no food and the riots are going to happen and then we're going to martial law, if not civil war, all those at the same time.
01:43:25.000Because I know that the moment they go to martial law, that means the confiscation of the American Second Amendment and that ain't going to happen.
01:43:33.000No, we are living in Florida, so... You know, I'm very passionate about it and very bold about it, but I really believe that we've got to... Well, you've got the floor.
01:43:42.000Keep elaborating the parallels you've seen in South Africa and now what's happening here today, Pastor.
01:43:48.000So, basically, while the American people are fighting each other, while they're caught up with television, while they're caught up in the NFL, NBA, American Idol, watching the movies, going to Starbucks, as long as they can go shopping at Walmart, All of their rights and privileges are being taken away.
01:44:05.000In South Africa, we've watched a total erosion of the people's rights under the, really the cartel that runs the place.
01:44:15.000There's nothing more than a mafioso operation.
01:44:18.000And I'm going to be back the end of February and end of March, and I'm going to be speaking to people in the government and really warning them, we can turn this thing around.
01:44:27.000I don't believe that this thing is too far gone in America.
01:44:30.000I believe there are many people waking up.
01:45:33.000Whatever is done behind closed doors is leaked out.
01:45:36.000And that the Lord unraveled the plan of the wicked over this nation.
01:45:40.000And then I'm doing my best to mobilize the pastors to train their people, get them out of the system, get them off of the government aid, government support, get them off of the food stamp, getting everybody to grow their own food, get everybody onto organic food, get their own, you know, water supply.
01:46:00.000That's why they want to take culture and God away from us, because then even if you're poor, you don't feel pathetic and won't give your soul over to the new world order.
01:46:08.000They really do traffic in the souls of men.
01:46:10.000They really do want to shut our jobs down so people don't feel self-respectable.
01:46:15.000They really want to promote thugism and gangsterism to ensnare our youth.
01:46:19.000I've talked to top people in MTV, top musicians, and confirmed what's always been a rumor out there.
01:46:25.000It is so cold-blooded how the system wants to dumb us down so they can literally enslave not just us physically, but our minds.
01:46:41.000It's total slavery to the debt system.
01:46:44.000Every American, the moment you're born, you're part of the collateral of the system, which really, if you look at America, basically on paper, we are a corporation.
01:46:53.000So that's why if they lose a couple of citizens, it's just collateral damage.
01:46:57.000That's why we've got all the illegals coming across our borders, because they can make them legal citizens, put them on the system, get them to vote, change the Constitution.
01:47:06.000And we have to As Americans, as American citizens, we have to stand up and draw a line in the sand.
01:47:18.000If you want to come speak, Alec, you're welcome to come stand with me.
01:47:22.000I'm right in the shadow of the White House, in the Constitution Hall.
01:47:26.000And I'm going into the Congress every day, the Senate, and really talking straight to these men that are in power.
01:47:33.000We have to turn this thing around, because the handwriting's on the wall.
01:47:37.000We stand on the brink of total collapse, and most people, they don't want to hear what I'm saying, but America's not ready for what's coming.
01:47:44.000In 99, I went to Madison Square Garden.
01:48:21.000But the Lord helped us, and we came to the other side.
01:48:24.000The event in DC cost us $1.2 million, but we paid cash for that, and God helped us do that.
01:48:30.000And Alex, we are doing everything we can, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, mobilizing everybody to wake America up.
01:48:39.000This is like deja vu, this is like Groundhog Day.
01:48:41.000Everything we saw happen in Southern Africa, we see happening here.
01:48:45.000The whole censorship of the media, the whole how the media just puts out the same dribble.
01:48:50.000You can't believe one word that the media tell you.
01:48:55.000I'm very glad about alternative media about InfoWars, PrisonPlanet.com, Drudge Report, Breitbart News, and all of the alternative media that's out there, because we have to get the word out.
01:49:06.000We've got to wake the American people up, and we've got to tell Americans they've got to cry out to God and come back before it's too late, because I promise you.
01:50:30.000And as long as Americans keep thinking, oh, I'm voting for my man in the Democrat and I vote for my man in the Republican, they both are the same.
01:50:37.000When are people going to wake up and realize that this is a government by the people, of the people, for the people, we the people.
01:50:44.000We must stand up and we must say, no, you're not going to do this.
01:50:48.000It's clear we need to have Pastor Rodney Howard-Brown of Revival.com back on.
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01:54:25.000All right, our guests will be with us for a little bit in the next hour of Then we've got Dr. Steve Buchanek coming on about the torture report.
01:54:31.000We're going to be deciphering what's really going on behind the scenes.
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01:56:59.000Bryant, I can see why you recommended getting Rodney Howard Brown on.
01:57:05.000He really speaks with authority, and more importantly, his information is right on target.
01:57:10.000And the model of his church, and of course my pastor, Pastor James A. McMinnis, is also the pastor of an interracial church.
01:57:20.000In a city like Shreveport, Louisiana, where I'm from, the last city to concede defeat in the Civil War, where old ways die hard, you have a church that we preach to over 3,000 people every Sunday.
01:57:35.000And so I would recommend that you speak with him as well, because Ministers, pastors, the church is going to have to lead this particular fight.
01:57:54.000But we'll stand on the principles of God's Word and their personal convictions that are anchored in that Word.
01:58:03.000That's why Pastor Rodney Howard Brown is a dear friend of mine, and this is why my personal pastor—of course, I'm the pastor-at-large around the nation—but my personal pastor, Pastor James A. MacMillan, is also someone who has those same convictions.
01:58:24.000Well, it was the church that led the Revolutionary War in 1776, and now the government's come in with faith-based initiatives and the rest of it, and taken it over, and that's why we're in so much trouble.
01:58:34.000That's why they push all this immorality on purpose, is to obviously make us servile, mindless, and childlike.
01:58:41.000We're going to come back with five more minutes with both of you.
01:59:29.000These people are a They're never going to stop.
01:59:36.000They're never going to deviate from their program until we stop them.
01:59:39.000You gotta set your eye on the enemy, not worry about what propaganda they put out.
01:59:46.000Imperative Detroit You've got to set your eye on the enemy Not worry about what propaganda they put out Intellectually it's begun You can feel it You're listening to The Alex Jones Show.
02:01:01.000And then he looked at me and said, everything you're saying is true.
02:01:04.000And I said, well, I know that because I've studied.
02:01:06.000I've got all the books on the whole thing, because I realized when I was a kid growing up in South Africa, I always thought to myself, something's wrong with this picture.
02:01:16.000And I just, you know, couldn't really understand.
02:01:18.000I got a hold of that book, the same book that got you turned on, which called, None Dare Call It Conspiracy.
02:02:24.000As we always say, the dogs bark, but the caravan keeps moving.
02:02:28.000And the fact of the matter is that a hundred years from today, in eternity, you and I will look at each other and we will say we were not quiet and we did not shut up, but we were bold to tell the truth and to stand up for what is right.
02:03:21.000Alex, when 43% of all abortions in this nation are performed by 13% of the population, there's something terribly wrong with those figures.
02:03:34.000How can black folks be upside down in that type of massacre if there's not a design to it?
02:03:43.000And then how can black people support a party That is, in fact, contributing to the mass genocide of the people.
02:03:55.000And so, I encourage everyone to follow me at Rev.
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02:08:24.000united states government leading up front of us all on the lives of the new world order it's alex jones Do you still think that jet fuel brought down the World Trade Center?
02:09:40.000That his dead body would be rolled out later as a victory.
02:09:43.000Later Walter Cronkite, Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and a bunch of others came out and seconded what he said in 2004 and said Bush better not roll out the dead body.
02:10:08.000And that was a meeting off record, so I'm not going to get into it and say by who.
02:10:11.000But I mean, this is getting to the point where major agencies, foreign agencies, are sending people.
02:10:17.000I can go online and there's a famous person coming to see me.
02:10:21.000I mean, it's getting to that point where, well, they're sniffing around deciding, I guess, whether they're going to put a bullet in my head or whatever.
02:10:27.000But the good news is, the info's already out there.
02:10:31.000You kill me, you just make it that much more popular.
02:10:38.000Now, Pchenik, I don't want to call him a slippery cat, he's not like Bill Clinton, I think he's an honorable guy, but he is, you know, on the inside, the head of psych warfare for the State Department, that was over all the major agencies, ran the Camp David Accords, co-wrote a bunch of books with Tom Clancy, he is the composite character that the Jack Ryan's based on, produced a bunch of Hollywood films as well, he's a medical doctor, psychiatrist,
02:11:00.000and uh... was also a little above captain uh... in the navy part of a lot of secret operations part of founding delta force and uh... a lot of the audience loves him so the audience hates him but you always get uh... interesting information a new book coming out steve pachenik talks i will certainly uh... be uh... reading that and carrying an info war store dot com you can find it uh... at steve pachenik dot com and he joins us to talk about the torture report i'll tell you my view on the torture
02:11:32.000I think torture is extremely effective.
02:11:34.000I don't think it's effective at getting real information.
02:11:36.000I don't think it's effective at winning just wars.
02:11:39.000I think it's effective at getting fake information, fake false testimonies and confessions, terrorizing populations, and it's very effective at discrediting everything the government does.
02:11:50.000It's very effective at making you wear the black hat.
02:11:53.000It's a great way to demonize America, part of the globalist program.
02:11:57.000One famous individual said the purpose of torture is not getting information, it's Spreading fear.
02:12:05.000And yeah, that's a big part of it as well.
02:12:09.000What do you think tasers are, or the misuse of them, and paying compliance?
02:12:13.000But the reason, yeah, Obama's trying to score points on this right now.
02:12:16.000The intel I've got is that it's still going on.
02:12:18.000I mean, Joe Biggs was a Staff Sergeant in the Army in Afghanistan and Iraq, three tours, happened to have Hastings embedded with him on two of those operations, and they saw some of the biggest battles out there, because Biggs always wanted to go where the fighting was.
02:12:32.000And the Army, they'll send you if you want to do that.
02:12:35.000And those were written about, but he, my point is it's on record, he did the things he says he did.
02:12:40.000One of his big jobs was delivering people for torture.
02:12:43.000In fact, I think we ought to later get, I said it earlier, get Biggs in here to talk about torture.
02:12:47.000He should be on tomorrow, he should be on a lot.
02:12:49.000Because he would deliver people for torture, and sometimes they didn't come out.
02:13:52.000What I say is as usual, you're my buddy, you're my friend, and I think you're not wrong, but let me amplify the whole issue, why this came out now.
02:14:03.000You see, you and I talked about the entire torture a year and a half ago, Alex, and your audience had a detailed report for both you and me during the Boston Massacre, where exactly the exposure of 6,000
02:14:19.000Pages of torture documents were made by Asa Hutchinson and James Jones implicating Aiden, implicating Brennan, implicating Bush, implicating Jeb, implicating a whole bunch of people and the neocons that we've talked about.
02:14:37.000So this came out in a year and a half ago.
02:14:39.000The question I want to tell your audience and the issue I want to bring up is why was this brought up now today?
02:14:45.000And in my opinion, it was brought up not because torture has stopped.
02:14:49.000And not because it has absolved anybody of anything.
02:14:53.000On the contrary, it continues, and the CIA really doesn't care.
02:14:57.000It doesn't care what you think, it doesn't care what I think, it doesn't care what the President thinks.
02:15:02.000Because this exposure by Feinstein is nothing more than an absolution of the Senate Intelligence Committee led by Dianne Feinstein and Jay Rockefeller, both who are leaving, And it's basically an absolution to say, oh, we didn't know about the torture, but eight years later we went into detail.
02:15:23.000And they revealed everything that you and I and the audience knew for eight years.
02:15:32.000The second part is the issue that you and I started 13 years ago and they can't get away from it and the audience knows this.
02:15:40.000And this is a complete distraction, again, from the Osama bin Laden Full story.
02:15:46.000Because if you notice what comes out in the torture, Jose Rodriguez, this Puerto Rican little nothing, says, yes, I'm in charge of the torture.
02:15:55.000And I was the one that got the information to get Osama bin Laden.
02:16:08.000So what's coming out again is they're trying through another technique, the CIA and the administration, Obama, because he said he killed Osama Bin Laden or he killed nobody.
02:16:18.000And the CIA never killed Osama bin Laden because Osama bin Laden was already dead under Clinton when Clinton sent Dr. Dooley from the CIA to the Dubai Hospital.
02:16:28.000So this is another way of getting to the Osama bin Laden story, which is another lie.
02:16:33.000In other words, the CIA and the administration, Obama, who is a CIA, Born and bred product of a single mother who was in the CIA, a maternal grandfather and grandfather who were in the CIA with a missing father, classical profile of the individual that's recruited by the CIA as was Bill Clinton with no father and a single mother.
02:16:58.000You see this repetitive strain of the personality profile.
02:17:02.000They're absolving Obama and saying, in effect, yes, he killed Osama bin Laden, and these were the facts that led to Osama bin Laden, all of which are lies.
02:17:11.000So this is, again, a distraction to absolve the senators, to say that Obama really isn't CIA and really did kill Osama bin Laden.
02:17:23.000Where there's a Osama Bin Laden, we know that's a lie.
02:17:26.000And then on top of that, they indicted themselves to avoid the very issue of 9-11 and stand down.
02:17:32.000And as you see, what they try to do is say, oh Bush Jr., that moron, Who knew exactly what he was doing, along with Cheney, the most nefarious and cowardly of all people, because he refused to serve our government 11 times.
02:17:47.000They basically are said that they didn't know about this, and so they blame Addington and a bunch of their junior people, so it makes Bush Jr.
02:17:57.000look as if he was really a hero coming forth to protect the CIA, when in fact he was covered by the CIA itself.
02:18:07.000Then we get down to another indictment that this whole drama of the absurd is creating, and that is the indictment of media exposition of the Anderson Coopers, the fair-haired young men from Yale who had CIA internships, and they leaked that information.
02:18:26.000And as you will see in the report, they leaked that information to various people on the Washington Post, the New York Times, and elsewhere.
02:18:34.000And what you're seeing, and you'll say to yourself, but this sounds crazy, and the answer is no.
02:18:42.000It's pretty much like a squid that will lose one arm, cut off another arm, so that it can regenerate again.
02:18:49.000Its only purpose is never to deny its existence, but to continue its nefarious existence.
02:18:52.000deny its existence, but to continue its nefarious existence.
02:18:56.000And it will cut off anybody who works with it, for it, or on it, and it doesn't matter whom.
02:18:56.000And it will cut off anybody who works with it, for it, or on it, and it doesn't matter whom.
02:19:02.000Whether it's John F. Kennedy, whether it's someone like Nixon who intervenes with it because he's not part of it, whether it's a Romney, whether it's a Reagan who was not part of it, and whether it was Bush who was part of it, whether it was Bill and Hillary Clinton, both very and whether it was Bush who was part of it, whether it was Bill and Hillary Clinton, both very much steeped Bill Clinton reported to the CIA when he was on an Oxford scholarship.
02:19:28.000He denies it, but if you vet him out, and again, he's slippery.
02:19:35.000He is a CIA operative and informant, as was Hillary.
02:19:39.000She was on the impeachment committee for Nixon, which by definition meant she worked for the CIA.
02:19:45.000She received the money on 9-11 to give to the victims.
02:19:50.000And it's still part of the CIA, so this is a way of cleaning the deck as well for Jeb Bush to run, who is also part of this family of the CIA.
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02:25:21.000Plus, as you said, they can inject all the fake narratives into a report that exposes them.
02:25:29.000Exposedly, I just invented a new word, that supposedly exposes them.
02:25:34.000But on top of that, at the same time, it's kind of like NSA spying.
02:25:40.000It's illegal, they deny it, it comes out, and then they use the whole process of investigating it to come up with solutions that basically codify it and legitimize it.
02:25:54.000Absolutely, this entire report will not even nick the CIA's ability to continue to lie, distort, and deny, and create illegal activity.
02:26:03.000All this report did was to absolve Obama from being corrupt.
02:26:07.000And illegal in his war act, it allowed Hillary Clinton to run with the notion that she had nothing to do with 9-11 and the stand down, although her husband was involved in rendition along with Sandy Berger, and it will clear Jeb Bush's name in the name of his brother, George Bush, who didn't know about the 9-11 stand down and the torture, and in fact will implicate Jeb Bush.
02:26:31.000So really what this has done paradoxically in the narrative Is to compound the story that you and I first discovered 13 years ago, that all of this is a lie.
02:26:41.000The 9-11 stand down was in fact a false flag.
02:27:11.000They've failed time after time, and then instead...
02:27:14.000They write reports, and then a guy like Jose Rodriguez, the head of the counterterrorism office, goes to Kathy Bigelow, the director of the movie Zero Dog 30, and in detail, under the direction of John Brennan, gives her a detailed account of a false narrative of how gives her a detailed account of a false narrative of how they assaulted Osama bin Laden, who's already Let me shift gears into a couple other subjects, just because they're interesting factoids.
02:27:41.000Why do they try to pick fatherless boys for this CIA role?
02:28:19.000Both Obama, or Barry Surrell, and Bill Clinton were involved in sex, drugs, And other activity so that they could be compromised.
02:28:29.000What the CIA always looks for is for a man or a woman who could be easily compromised and used at any time and can be indicted or thrown away or neutralized.
02:28:40.000The second part is the army is much more sophisticated.
02:28:44.000Under Dempsey and under various other generals, the special forces and units out of Fort Bragg and elsewhere have been instructed never to speak up.
02:28:54.000The reason why the Seals have been a failure is because of Admiral Mueller, whose father was part of a publicity machinery from the William Morris Agency.
02:29:02.000Admiral McRaven, who was a total disaster and was a loudmouth, as was Stan McChrystal.
02:29:10.000The SEALs were a failure during the Reagan administration.
02:29:13.00013 of them died on the way to Grenada when I was involved in that false, you know, attempt to attack Grenada.
02:29:20.000And they couldn't explain why 13 SEALs drowned on a raft when they were trained to be underwater.
02:29:27.000So SEALs have always been a secondary quality and a secondary class of gamesmanship.
02:29:33.000But they've been the first one to run to the movies, run and make movies about themselves, whereas the other units out The Navy, the Army, the Air Force, and other special units that I will not get into, have never been heard about, will never be heard about, and under General Martin Dempsey, they will be under strict command.
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02:37:16.000Because most people that get into media work under these big corporations that are part of the inside game, and still think lying to people is the way to go, but they're extincting themselves.
02:37:26.000Their ratings are down 95% in 20 years at CNN.
02:37:31.000MSNBC has a smaller audience than a local radio show.
02:37:37.000And speaking of that, you got cut off by the break, Dr. Pachenik.
02:37:40.000Well, we'll talk about your book some.
02:37:42.000You were getting into the fact that, look, nothing against the Navy SEALs.
02:37:45.000I know some Navy SEALs that are good guys that gave us good intel about the helicopter getting blown up.
02:37:51.000But at the same time, anyone I know in the Army Special Forces of any type will say nothing, will tell me nothing.
02:37:58.000And I know the Army's involved in probably ten times more than the Navy, and I always just wonder why you never hear from them, but hear from the SEALs.
02:38:05.000And I think it goes to this same narcissism, not of the SEALs, but of their commanders, And of the politicians, that they could be seduced into doing this, because when I look at it, almost everyone at MSNBC or CNN is a former Democratic Party politico-operative.
02:38:24.000No one wants to look at them, but they don't care.
02:38:27.000They want to be on TV, so mom thinks they're a star, so they're now on television, even if there's no audience.
02:39:00.000The CIA is the total product of narcissism.
02:39:03.000It's a fictitious organization that really thinks it does something.
02:39:07.000It has done more harm than any good over 30 years.
02:39:10.000I don't say that because I dislike them.
02:39:12.000The men I knew were men who came out of the OSS, Don Gregg, James Little.
02:39:17.000Well, Redmond, all who had made their bones in North Korea, South Korea, and been in the military.
02:39:23.000The problem is it outsourced itself to 80% to make money and to create wars that it could not fight, didn't know what to do, as the report suggested.
02:39:46.000They've co-opted our Republican system of presidential selections, which has to stop.
02:39:51.000And that's the key of the American public.
02:39:54.000The demand that every candidate be completely vetted out, there will be no excuse for Skull and Bones, no excuse for top secrecy, no excuse for a man like John Kerry who's part of Skull and Bones, and George Bush Jr., both Skull and Bones in the same class that had to be mediated by Fred Smith of FedEx.
02:40:13.000So that kind of nonsense in the Republic has to stop.
02:40:16.000If not, then we will go onto the streets and do what we need to.
02:40:21.000But let me say one thing that your audience has to understand, and why I come on your show, and only your show mainly.
02:40:28.000For 13 years, the only thing that really counted in this world was not intelligence.
02:40:33.000Well, as Winston Churchill said, the most important variable in any individual is not intelligence or even perseverance, but courage.
02:40:42.000And I must say to your audience, and you know me, I'm not flattering you, Alex.
02:40:46.000Alex Jones had more courage than anybody I'd ever met 13 years ago.
02:40:51.000Or more, when I said the very dangerous statement that I said Osama Bin Laden was dead, I know for a fact because I was told by the operatives who were involved in 9-11, 9-11 was a stand-down.
02:41:06.000By Condoleezza Rice, by Cheney, the most evil of all, who should be exterminated and really put under criminal war trial, by Rumsfeld, by Addington, by Michael Hayden, by George Kennan, by Mueller of the FBI, by Free of the FBI, who had been indicted before as part of a criminal act repeatedly, and so the only man who stood forth Was Alex Jones.
02:41:32.000I come on the show not to propagate or even to instill ideas.
02:41:37.000I hope everybody checks me out and I hope they can say whatever they want about me.
02:41:42.000But I still will stand by my statements because for 13 years, this administration, including three presidents, Bill Clinton, Both Bush Jr.
02:41:51.000and Osama Bin Laden, or Obama, that's a Freudian slip, have had a very serious problem overcoming Alex Jones and Dr. Steve Paten's statement that Osama Bin Laden was never assassinated, was never buried, was buried somewhere at sea, and had a screwed up narrative.
02:42:09.000And this is what you're seeing repeatedly.
02:42:11.000Because once that narrative can no longer be played with, it goes back to Bush Jr., who has to be indicted in the International Court of Law.
02:42:20.000And Cheney has to be indicted, Michael Hayden, one of the biggest criminals of all, who's a military general, by the way, one of the dumbest that we know in National Military Intelligence Association, which I belong to, by other generals who are four stars, and I will not recognize who they are.
02:42:37.000He is the dumbest, most corrupt general.
02:42:39.000And Mr. Risen of the New York Times indicted him before for making illegal activities and continuously lying to the American public with wiretapping and the constant eavesdropping that he was legal.
02:42:52.000So Michael Hayden should be in prison.
02:43:00.000Cheney, Rumsfeld, Condi, Steve Hadley.
02:43:03.000The list goes on and on, but if the American public does not take justice into their own hand and will rely on the legislators, we have failed.
02:43:12.000We really are in an American Revolution.
02:43:15.000Whether you want to commit tyranny, treason, in the face of tyranny, I consider that patriotism.
02:43:22.000It's exactly what Jefferson had to confront.
02:43:25.000It's exactly what George Washington had to confront.
02:43:27.000But I address this to the Iraqi and Afghani war veterans who were sent in On false pretenses to kill and be killed and be wounded by men who were cowards, namely Bush Jr., Cheney, Clinton, and Obama.
02:43:43.000Men who had never served our country in the military, men who would never serve, and men who were so slick that they lied their way right to the top and continue to lie.
02:43:59.000And will in time have to come to terms with what's happened to him.
02:44:03.000Whatever happens to him, be it John F. Kennedy, because he has a secret service that can't function well, or whether it will be a Nixonian episode, will he be impeached?
02:44:33.000It's on my blogs between 2012 and 2014 because I believe the internet will be eventually monitored so closely that it will be closed down as it is now when I talk to Alex or I write a blog.
02:44:48.000I know that people upstairs and all over the world are playing around and hacking with my internet.
02:44:53.000They will be doing so with all of your internets, no matter what you think.
02:44:57.000So I'm trying to get my statements out as quickly as I can through the Alex Jones Show and through other mediums, i.e.
02:45:05.000my self-publishing, so that eventually you can read the words that were words of freedom and a call to revolution at a time when we will be shut down by DARPA, CIA, DHS, And any other organization that has really no legitimacy over the show.
02:45:25.000No, that there are these bigger financial interests that have installed these politicos to carry this bipartisan treason out.
02:45:30.000And whereas I do want to see them brought to justice, if they want to be sent to the island of Alba, a lot of times cornering these people is more dangerous.
02:45:39.000We need the political system to realize it's pushing us all over the edge of a cliff.
02:45:47.000It's doing things that are totally predatory.
02:45:51.000While trying to stir up a race war as a political distraction for the political class, what about the people...
02:46:00.000In the system, who are just, you know, working for a hundred thousand dollars a year, sixty thousand dollars a year, at the NSA, you know, in the police departments, who I know are questioning all these things, and do realize that what's going on is treason, but are too scared of losing their job.
02:46:18.000I mean, in the end, it's all going to go down anyways.
02:46:20.000If we don't say no now, we will lose everything.
02:46:23.000It was Kennedy that said, to paraphrase him, those that make peaceful You know, revolution's impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.
02:46:33.000I know the word would be revolution because we've already been conquered like Vichy France, but there's got to be some way to have a velvet revolution where it doesn't have to get bloody.
02:46:43.000Because you can see Homeland Security gearing up to fight, you know, the Liberty Movement, gearing up to go after anybody who's sustainable, but this government's so inept I mean, if they actually start a physical civil war, Dr. Pchenik, from your war fighting and psychological experience, how do you think it's going to go?
02:47:02.000I don't think it will go very well for those that actually try to enforce it, but I guess the globalists are just going to sit in armored redoubts in D.C., New York, or Switzerland, or Luxembourg, or London, or Monte Carlo.
02:47:14.000I mean, I think it's when the bankers start realizing we're coming for them.
02:47:19.000But look at the 36 top bankers dead in one year.
02:47:22.000Look at how many, I mean, there's a lot of secret wars going on, aren't there?
02:47:26.000Well, there are, but the key element is the very thing that you and I are using now and the instrument that CIA and DARPA created in 73, the Internet is the very instrument of destruction for Obama, for Bush, the Internet is the very instrument of destruction for Obama, for Bush, and
02:47:46.000And the reason for that is that you and I have been successful by using the Internet, and now you are speaking to 10 million people, not in New York and in Texas, but all over the world.
02:47:59.000I get responses from all over the world.
02:48:01.000And I say to all of you out there, you young people and older who use the Internet, use that Internet if you have to block, hack, or however anonymously you may do it.
02:48:13.000And I repeat it again, however anonymously you may do it.
02:48:16.000You can come into these systems and the CIA because they're very fragile, State Department, Treasury, the White House, and you can hack your way around that.
02:48:27.000And believe me, there will be no bloodshed because this government is so incompetent that it has no idea of how many people were in the CDC, namely 60,000 people at $7 billion who did nothing in Ebola.
02:48:41.000Instead, I had to ask our military and General Dempsey to send 4,000 soldiers of Africa in order to handle Ebola.
02:48:51.000So the only functional athletic capability we have is really the Army.
02:48:55.000The FBI has been compromised by Mueller.
02:49:13.000So we have to take Now the revolution, the velvet revolution as you call it, and stream it through the electrons right into the White House, into the legislators, into the CIA, Department of Defense, the FBI, and hit them with every electronic passion that we have.
02:49:31.000And that is our revolution in America, and the world will follow us.
02:50:19.000One thing that doesn't work is intimidation of an American.
02:50:23.000Particularly Americans like you and I, you were born here, I have worked in our government, and used techniques on behalf of our government to take down the Soviet Union, to bring peace to Cambodia, to take down the Khmer Rouge.
02:50:36.000Now, they know what I'm capable of doing.
02:50:39.000When you used the word slippery, I knew what you meant, and I want your audience to understand what I...
02:50:45.000I know exactly how our intelligence community works, but I also know how to take it apart piece by piece without even using a bullet.
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02:54:14.000You know, I rudely gave the number out and did what I do, and forgot to go to calls.
02:54:18.000We've got this segment, and then this six-minute segment, and then five more minutes to go to Mike in Wyoming, Bill, Michael, Mike, and Kevin with Dr. Steve Pachenik.
02:54:27.000And Doc, I want to, even though you don't want to talk about yourself, I want to get you back in the next month or so, specifically on your book, and we'll talk about that once the show ends coming up.
02:54:36.000But right now, let's go to Mike in Wyoming.
02:54:38.000Thanks for holding, you're on the air.
02:55:15.000Well, I would not take that seriously.
02:55:18.000What they're basically doing is, in their attempt, they're trying to intimidate the audience by fear through sending messages.
02:55:27.000In their sense, they're going to say they're trying to prepare for any kind of emergency, but really what they're trying to do is to create incidences of fear, or what we call the Black Hawk helicopters, or the Apache flying helicopters, or the Hog helicopters coming down at very low flight.
02:55:46.000They monitor, they send out messages, and then they try to intimidate an audience.
02:56:09.000In 395 Miami Beach, they had a whole special ops program right in front of one of my bridges, and they made it look as if this was really very professional.
02:56:19.000The problem is, the Army, the Navy, and the CIA have been reading, have been watching too much of their own movies that they created to begin with.
02:56:27.000For the most part, they're not very effective.
02:56:29.000For the most part, I have used Army and the FBI in hostage situations, and they were disasters.
02:56:36.000They could not repel off of the helicopters because of rotation.
02:56:40.000They are not very effective in hostage survival.
02:56:43.000So the reality is very different from the images they want to portray.
02:56:47.000So the images they portray is one of fear, intimidation, efficiency.
02:56:51.000The reality is that they're a government agency that's totally inefficient.
02:56:55.000Yeah, Mike, PSYOP, what's your take on it, Mike?
02:57:06.000And it's also to condition the troops.
02:57:09.000But all it does is condition them to wake up.
02:57:13.000All I'm saying about the military, especially the Army, the most awake group, I mean, they know what's going on.
02:57:20.000The Army has been told repeatedly if they don't stand up and stop this nonsense on behalf of the Navy colleagues and the CIA and other parts of the intelligence community, they will be in trouble.
02:57:32.000And they will be denigrated in the eyes of the civilians.
02:57:35.000So they've been repeatedly warned by me and others that they have to stand up and say that it's enough.
02:57:40.000Yes Alex, long time listener, first time caller.
02:57:43.000I was wondering, what are we going to do if it does turn hot?
02:57:46.000have fun take from jamming equipment stop it jenik wants a revolution mike in texas you're on the air go ahead uh yes alex uh long time listener first time caller uh i was wondering what are we going to do if if it does turn hot how are we going to get the resources to uh to uh fight this thing well i wouldn't be concerned
02:58:11.000You have to remember that during the Revolutionary War, only 4% of the population of 700,000 men were involved in the actual fighting and combat against the British.
02:58:22.000In this particular case, the United States government cannot handle the mileage and the distances that occur all over the United States.
03:00:49.000When you say things are getting hotter, I can see the machinery of the establishment trying to move, but it's mainly just propaganda and turns more people off.
03:00:58.000If I was trying to turn people off, I would do what they're doing.
03:01:01.000But I know they're not in a conspiracy against themselves.
03:01:04.000Do these arrogant people in government really think they built this whole thing and that they aren't just sitting on top of it?
03:01:11.000No, basically the arrogant people in government are not as smart as you think they may be.
03:01:16.000What was happening and why I'm concerned is that this kind of arrogance exponentially grows and what happens is they're going to start making mistakes.
03:01:24.000And when they start making mistakes, they start blaming each other.
03:01:35.000But in turn, what happens is the American public eventually pays for it one way or the other.
03:01:41.000So that the Americans, what happens is they become more and more paranoid within the intelligence community.
03:01:47.000I was about to say, and then the Army has to go fight a group run by the Navy.
03:01:51.000meaning they will start another false flag.
03:01:53.000They'll start another war like ISIS, which is absolute nonsense, created by the CIA, used by JSOC again, run by a Navy admiral, where you have guys coming in and out fighting Americans against Americans.
03:02:13.000This is why your people and the young people of your audience who know, who are acting, who understand anonymous, these are the ones who become very valuable, and these are the ones who are the administration is afraid of them.
03:02:28.000I can't tell you how fearful they are of your audience out there that knows how to handle computers.
03:02:35.000Now, clearly I can't incite you or instigate you, but I do caution you that if this continues, the absurdity of our civilian theater and the notion that Dianne Feinstein didn't know about it, Jay Rockefeller didn't know about it, John McCain, it is getting absurd and it's costing us $1.1 trillion.
03:02:55.000Let's get a few, I agree, a few final quick little questions.
03:03:06.000Dr. Pucinich, I agree with 99% of what you have to say, but, you know, you seem to whitewash Herbert Walker Bush, and I just can't stomach that.
03:03:48.000In March and August of 2013, there was a case going to court, Shelley v. Bush, that was going to put the entire Bush administration in jail on the Nuremberg trial precepts.
03:04:03.000Obama stepped in and had that case quashed and then went to the courts to seek immunity for the entire Bush administration.
03:04:14.000I'd like to know how this case fits in with the recent now release of the torture.
03:04:20.000I don't know if Pchenik does, but... That's right.
03:04:25.000Well, the only thing I would suggest is that's correct, that domestically the president gave everybody immunity, but in reality you have to take it to the International Aid Court.
03:04:34.000Anytime any of these individuals, the Bushes, leave the United States, they can be imprisoned.