In this episode of the Alex Jones Show, host Alex Jones is joined by William "Buzz" Benny, the highest-level NSA whistleblower who was shot by a SWAT team after he spoke to Congress, and who has since been vindicated, and Catherine Paul, the head of the Organic Consumers Association, who was set to speak at a major event about food safety at South By Southwest, but Big Pharma and Big Biotech had anyone, not just their organization, that was already set six months ago to speak, banned from speaking. Meanwhile, a backyard burger and wiener roast targeted by the EPA. Also, EPA wants to monitor how long guests spend in the shower, and Detroit businesses face water shutoffs, even if you try to pay for it.
00:00:49.000William Benny, the highest level NSA whistleblower ever, who was SWAT team-raided after he spoke to Congress, and who has since vindicated, will be joining us in studio here in Austin, Texas today.
00:01:08.000We're also going to be talking to the head of the Organic Consumers Association, Catherine Paul.
00:01:15.000Their organization was set to speak at a major event about food quality and safety at South by Southwest.
00:01:21.000But Big Pharma and Big Biotech, Monsanto-connected groups, had anyone, not just their organization that was already set six months ago to speak, banned.
00:01:33.000Gene Giant kicks OCA off a Southwest Food Panel discussion.
00:01:41.000So this shows what a totalitarian, sanitized, anti-human event this is, and why I've been going after it every day here, as it's a showcase of how the globalists propagandize and try to shape culture.
00:01:55.000That said, we knew this was coming when they kept the FCC regulations secret, when they wouldn't testify before Congress.
00:02:26.000But then when they came forward as the saviors, and George Soros funded 196 million to all the fake leftist groups, why then it was racist, literally, according to them, if you didn't hand over the internet to the government and the corporations that control it.
00:03:05.000Meanwhile, Detroit businesses face water shutoffs, even if you try to pay for it.
00:03:11.000This is all part of the deindustrialization program.
00:03:14.000There'll be no shortage of cream and other goodies up in the Globalist Command Centers.
00:03:23.000Continuing, White Privilege Conference Workshop pushes grade school, that's K through 5th grade, lessons about gender, queer, transgender, and gender fluids.
00:03:37.000That's right, let's teach the first graders about things I can't even say on the air and wouldn't want to say on air.
00:03:45.000And then we've got just more police videos being released.
00:03:49.000This one of a woman already being tortured, begging for help so the sergeant starts choking her.
00:03:55.000And then they did an investigation and said he acted admirably.
00:04:00.000This is a society breaking down when they defend this type of torture that they call pain compliance.
00:04:07.000And you watch the video, the cops are all getting off on it.
00:04:15.000And defending it, if you're a cop, will help bring down the country, which is part of the Globalist's larger plan.
00:04:21.000In really big economic news, again I'm going to detail all the things I mention when we come back, China gaining Western allies as development bank partners, a blow to US efforts, and that ties into an article on Infowars.com.
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00:10:20.000The highest level whistleblower pretty much ever.
00:10:25.000Not just from the NSA, but from the federal government in the last hundred years, in my summation, is William Binney.
00:10:33.000He was one of the top guys at the National Security Agency, directed much of their technology systems He, of course, in the last decade, quietly tried to warn Congress and others within the system, got SWAT teamed, got attacked, you name it.
00:10:58.000For some documentary reports we're putting together and live in studio in the third hour.
00:11:02.000In fact, maybe we should do a document cam or a studio cam shot for TV viewers and show folks William Benny in there in the control room watching the show right now.
00:11:12.000And again, he'll be in studio with us coming up in the third hour today.
00:11:24.000Give him a little bit of a round of applause.
00:11:26.000If you are a radio listener, you can go to Infowars.com forward slash show to see the free video feeds right there to add another dimension to the radio broadcast.
00:11:38.000But this is a radio broadcast, first and foremost, probably 90% of our audience is terrestrial AM and FM.
00:11:46.000But we have a large audience as well watching over the internet and some cable and TV systems around the United States and it adds another dimension to it because our radio listeners can then go actually see what we're talking about here on air when we deploy reporters to Europe or to Asia or to Latin America or to right here in Austin, Texas to be covering the different developments here at South by Southwest.
00:12:13.000We've already seen a protest against the rise of AI systems suppressing humanity.
00:12:32.000And that's because it's part of a revolution.
00:12:34.000A overall culture of corruption to just change the way this planet operates.
00:12:41.000And I'm not so much worried Myself, about artificial intelligence coming after us at this time.
00:12:48.000I'm worried about the fact that human intelligence is what is controlling and basically pulling the strings on the Panopticon surveillance grid.
00:12:58.000They've got all these movies coming out, Robo-Apocalypse, that we're going to have the writer on, I think Friday, where It's basically an expansion of maximum overdrive where the appliances and the cars start killing everybody?
00:13:13.000Well, I'm not really worried about that.
00:13:14.000I'm worried about the fact that the appliance, the cars, the smart meters, the cell phones, the Hertz Rent-A-Cars, the Samsung TVs admit that they're watching and listening to us.
00:13:26.000This is just a hidden in plain view Revolution against privacy and the data being gathered can be used to manipulate mass markets and mass human movements.
00:13:37.000Because if you can surveil everything, you can also add stimulus and then control everything, including predicting the future to a great extent.
00:13:46.000And Google admits that that's its main mission, is to predict the future and be an AI system.
00:13:51.000So we're going to talk to William Binney about this in detail.
00:13:54.000We're going to put out a hashtag in the next few minutes.
00:13:58.000I haven't been given what that hashtag is yet.
00:14:00.000We were developing that right before the show started.
00:14:03.000So you can tweet your questions at RealAlexJones and so that we have those questions ahead of time before Mr. Benny joins us in studio.
00:14:11.000So tweet your questions at RealAlexJones and again we'll put a hashtag out on that site here in the next few minutes so everybody can do that.
00:14:44.000She's the head of OrganicConsumers.org, one of the largest organizations reporting on and doing studies on and organizing for the organic choices in this country.
00:14:56.000They've been set up for months to speak at South by Southwest and with Whole Foods But Big Pharma and Big Agra did not want that so they've been banned.
00:15:07.000We'll talk about what our presentation was going to be and what their organization's presentation was going to be before they were banned and exactly who banned them.
00:15:17.000Gene Giant kicks OCA off South by Southwest food panel discussion.
00:15:24.000And the new push by the FDA and the EPA is to not label anything and to even remove drug labels and vaccine labels so that we can't hold up an MMR vaccine label when they say it's safe and effective and show you where it says it can give you epilepsy, narcolepsy, cancer, where it says it could kill you, where it says it could cause pancreatitis and then diabetes.
00:15:47.000It actually says that and we showed that a lot the last few weeks.
00:15:53.000So there's a major push to shut down information and then to persecute people like William Benny who left the NSA back in 2001 when they started illegal spying against the American people in non-terror related operations.
00:16:10.000And he quietly worked through the system, but it just didn't matter.
00:16:14.000They still came after him, but he defeated that.
00:16:17.000Many people are languishing, including journalists, in jail right now for telling the public things that they had a duty to tell us because they were illegal.
00:16:26.000But we've gone from them under George Bush in 2005 or so denying that they spied on anybody illegally to now just throwing it in our face.
00:16:34.000So where is this revolution against privacy going?
00:17:20.000According to the Unified Crime Statistics of the Justice Department since 1992, rapes have dropped in every state where gun ownership has proliferated.
00:17:28.000Women carrying guns in fanny packs in Florida, they've had major articles there, has caused basically women being raped in parks to go down to almost zero.
00:17:37.000But they say that, no, don't want Obamacare?
00:18:19.000Just like the Republican leadership, ladies and gentlemen, are going along with the FCC power grab of the internet.
00:18:27.000They're going along with the open borders.
00:18:29.000They're going along with shutting down our power plants without law.
00:18:32.000They're going along with putting our military under foreign jurisdiction.
00:18:36.000Incredible article we're going to be getting into.
00:18:39.000We're going to continue with really big financial news.
00:18:42.000China gaining Western allies as development bank partners, a blow to US efforts.
00:18:49.000Recent shift has pointed out that the rise of China and their aim to become a major part of the new global reserve currency and hence a major force in the new global order.
00:19:02.000And Dr. Paul Craig Roberts writes about it, former Deputy head of the Treasury Department says cracks in Washington's empire, Washington's EU vassals might be finding their backbone.
00:19:15.000With plan to join China-led bank, Britain opens the door for others.
00:23:02.000That's 800-34-NO-TAX or my website, danpilla.com.
00:23:07.000As the new world order continues to tighten its grip on every facet of our lives, we're all asking ourselves, how can we maintain our independence?
00:24:14.000You know, I'm moving quick here because there's so much news and I want to drill more into this, but I tell you, it's kind of hard to do the show with William Binney in there, biggest government whistleblower pretty much of all time.
00:24:29.000And all these questions we're coming up with to discuss once he's in here in studio with us.
00:25:20.000Great, you can throw a basketball in a hoop, you can play football, wonderful.
00:25:24.000But people that face prison, people that go through persecution, people that give up, you know, directorships, a whole section of the NSA to tell the truth, and then the system tries to suppress them and tries to keep them from the public view, and then the system fails.
00:25:39.000That is just incredibly, incredibly exciting on so many fronts.
00:25:48.000And so we're here today to shoot a little mini-documentary with Mr. Benny, and then we're going to have him live in studio with us.
00:25:57.000But before we go any further, let me just say that I'm also going to be opening the phones up in the next segment specifically On this piece of news, Pentagon loses track, I mentioned this in the last segment, of 500 million in weapons equipment given to Yemen.
00:26:18.000The Washington Post reports, it's the same story over and over again, oh we lost track in Iraq, oh we lost track in Saudi Arabia, oh we lost track in Qatar, oh we lost track in Yemen, oh we lost track, oh Turkey's giving artillery support to this Free Syrian Army, which is really Al-Qaeda and ISIS.
00:26:35.000Oh, but now we're buddies with Assad and want to defeat them and are buddies with Iran.
00:27:06.000Now listen, I don't want war with Iran.
00:27:07.000I don't support some of those moves to do that.
00:27:10.000But at the same time, if you're going to list conservative libertarian groups as extremists and with terrorists, if you're going to train the Pentagon to take on land rights activists, if you set up Homeland Security to supposedly deal with Hezbollah and Hamas, who do target civilians, You could argue that they are in the terrorist class, but to remove the big enchilada, Hezbollah from the list, shows just how bizarre all of this has really gotten.
00:27:40.000But don't worry, there are FBI task forces nationwide harassing gun shows with the ATF, trying to find out if an old guy goes and sells some of his guns to raise money.
00:28:31.000Judicial Watch gets records that show al-Qaeda terrorists may have been government source.
00:28:37.000Judicial Watch has obtained records of the Florida Department of Law Enforcement that indicate Al Qaeda terrorists who helped plan several U.S.
00:28:43.000attacks, including plots to blow up Oprah Winfrey Studios and detonate nuclear devices in multiple U.S.
00:28:47.000cities, was a confidential source and informant for the government.
00:28:52.000Well, of course, most of these guys are, and probably never planned any of this, and they just burned him.
00:28:56.000I mean, do you really believe this guy had nukes?
00:28:59.000It's come out in the New York Times that almost every terror attack that they've cooked up has been with a mentally ill person or some patsy who was an informant, who they say, yeah, take the bomb over here, and then they set them up.
00:29:13.000I'm not saying there aren't radical Islamist or terrorists.
00:29:21.000To destabilize and they use their threat as a way to take liberties and promote illegal spying.
00:29:27.000But when it comes to people they bust, they don't throw away good terrorists they could be using.
00:29:32.000They only bust patsies and chumps and fools.
00:29:34.000So listen, if you're an Arab American or Muslim American or Brit or whatever, I've seen this literally hundreds of times.
00:29:42.000If you get approached to be part of a drill, of Muslims bombing something, do not be part of it, because believe me, you're going to end up in the supermax prison.
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00:34:31.000And of course played by Metallica, The Four Horsemen.
00:34:36.000Lock up your wife and children now, it's time to wheel the blade.
00:34:41.000But we live in the 21st century where 90 plus percent of warfare is information warfare.
00:34:49.000And the sword that wields the greatest strength is the truth.
00:34:53.000And an empire of lies telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
00:34:57.000That is Ron Paul's paraphrase of George Orwell.
00:35:01.000In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
00:35:08.000And again, William Binney, biggest whistleblower in modern history, not just biggest NSA whistleblower, is here.
00:35:16.000And he was in the control room, a great gentleman, but I had him move to the conference room because it was so distracting to me to look at the monitor and see William Binney in there, plus the crew.
00:35:23.000I mean, this is like having a movie star here for us.
00:35:27.000You know, we've had a lot of movie stars on the show.
00:35:58.000And if William Binney can be destroyed, we can all be destroyed.
00:36:02.000But if he can be vindicated, which he has been, and not be stopped from getting his message out, it is a huge Battle of Trenton-level victory.
00:36:13.000When we got the UN documents five years ago that the carbon tax was a plan to shut down the third world and the first world and only let select corporations operate, when we got the secret treaty and it became national news, we had Lord Moncton on, that was a huge, critical, Death Star destroying event.
00:36:31.000Well, people like William Binney and Snowden going public is another potential Death Star event, to use a Star Wars allegory, where you blow up a major criminal operation and degrade and frustrate criminal forces in government and corporations that want to use ubiquitous spying To dominate markets, but also protect themselves from criminal prosecution to be aware of what other areas and other agencies are doing.
00:37:00.000And we've now learned that the Parliament, and the Congress, and the Senate, and the President, and they're all spying on each other.
00:37:06.000It's a panopticonic big brother arms race that we're in the middle of right now that's being deployed against the people, and it's wrong.
00:37:17.000So again, I go off into that subject because it's so important.
00:37:21.000And I just read to you three different mainstream news articles where our government and other groups are funding and protecting known terrorists from Al Qaeda, to the Iranian Hezbollah, to other organizations.
00:37:48.000In fact, we learned the NSA was actually tracking them legally in that case, because they were foreigners, and that nothing was done with it.
00:37:53.000The FBI knew and was ordered to stand down.
00:37:55.000I've interviewed Colonel Schaefer and others.
00:38:30.000So now we've reached that Rubicon moment where it's out in the open, what do we do?
00:38:36.000I'm gonna ask William Binney about this coming up in the third hour.
00:38:39.000What is this paradox like to have them years ago deny this was happening when he knew good and well it was, he was there at the highest level seeing it, and then to now have them go, okay, we're doing it, but we're going to reform it by legalizing it.
00:38:51.000We're going to retroactively go back and say, it's okay that we committed these crimes.
00:38:55.000I mean, Obama yesterday Put out a directive, not a law, the President can't make law, saying we're now exempt from all FOIA requests, period.
00:39:04.000Really, that's the National Security Act of 47, and they dovetailed with it the Open Records Act, so that if you're going to have secret stuff, it's got to be kept on record to be released later, so that people don't commit crimes now, thinking they've got a blank check.
00:40:47.000We're also going to get into some of the other power grabs that are taking place.
00:40:53.000But before we do that, Again, the number for first-time callers is 800-259-9231, and we will get you up and on the air on this live Wednesday edition, 800-259-9231.
00:41:07.000I'm gonna get Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, former chief editor of the Wall Street Journal, father of Reaganomics, on probably tomorrow, the next day, maybe Sunday, if we can't get him the next two days, on the Sunday broadcast, 4 to 6 p.m.
00:41:25.000China gaining Western allies as development bank partners.
00:41:31.000And so China's created this new global development bank.
00:41:36.000And again, I'm not saying the Communist Chinese are laudable or great people, their leadership, but it is a separate power group to Goldman Sachs and J.P.
00:41:46.000Morgan that control the central banks of Europe and the United States, the private Federal Reserve.
00:41:53.000And we've seen the Rockefellers and others investing tens of billions the last year in this Chinese investment-run bank.
00:42:01.000Kind of a challenge to the IMF or World Bank.
00:42:03.000So that shows a creeping towards the exits, a hedging of the bets while Western powers accelerate global currency devaluations and a currency devaluation war.
00:42:17.000And yes, the world Reserve currency is still the dollar, but when it goes belly up, it will have seismic effects here.
00:42:27.000We're already seeing deflation in some areas because of recessionary and depressionary elements in select areas of the economy, but it's unbalanced.
00:42:37.000Some people are in a depression, others are in a recession, others are in high cotton.
00:42:41.000In this managed, stage-managed economy, which Rolling Stone two years ago had the headline, everything is rigged.
00:42:46.000Interest rates, the globalists get free money, the public gets it at, you know, 5, 6, 7, 8 percent.
00:42:52.000I mean, you're told it's down there at near zero, but that's not what the general public gets.
00:42:55.000I've got perfect credit, went and checked about getting some credit last week.
00:42:59.000I mean, near perfect credit, we're like 5 percent.
00:43:03.000People are like, wow, that sounds great.
00:43:37.000to go under, globally, because if it does, it'll cause a worldwide depression of biblical proportions.
00:43:44.000There aren't any economists that disagree with that.
00:43:49.000They're now using globalization and that we're all interconnected as a way to abuse everyone and make everyone accept dollar devaluation.
00:43:57.000So we're seeing recession and depression in some costs, but in a lot of costs, restaurants, a lot of other commodities, you name it, education, I mean just hundreds of other areas, we're seeing major inflation.
00:44:53.000Washington's EU vassals might be finding their backbone.
00:44:56.000England, Germany, France and Italy have all invested With Japan, Switzerland, Luxembourg, South Korea, and others, Australia, you name it, in the new Chinese-led Asian Investment Bank.
00:45:10.000Neither Republicans nor Democrats are even making this an issue.
00:45:16.000China gaining Western allies as development bank partners, a blow to U.S.
00:45:20.000So, with plan to join Chinese-led bank, Britain opens door for others.
00:45:28.000That's the kind of stuff that's important.
00:45:31.000Another hero, nothing compared to William Binney, who brought out a lot of stuff that actually threatened the entire system, but he's won two Nobel Prizes, and that's, of course, Joseph Stiklitz.
00:45:48.000And he was the head economist at the World Bank and he's come out and said basically everything I've said.
00:45:52.000He's been on the show five or six times over the years.
00:45:55.000So it's not just Alex Jones up here waving his arms around saying this.
00:46:00.000This is going on and worldwide governments aren't trying to reform this or stabilize things.
00:46:06.000They think totalitarianism is going to somehow at the barrel of a gun and the barrel of Big Brother surveillance glue all this tyranny and this inequity together.
00:46:19.000Meanwhile, they're involved in a bunch of balkanization, racial balkanization, hyping up racial differences, cultural differences, in the name of bringing unity, but we know it's bringing division, and it's come out in government documents we've covered, that the plan is to divide the people against each other, so the establishment, the crony capitalists, who are not free market, can loot the living daylights out of us.
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00:54:43.000I get to know Ron Paul, Rand Paul, I get to know William Benny, Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, the former He's the head of Reagan's economic operation.
00:54:55.000And I was just, it was popping in my head the rush of hundreds and hundreds of patriots that are fighting the New World Order that I know, who are extremely prominent and are prominent.
00:55:06.000And then the millions of you out there fighting tyranny, we're all just as important.
00:55:10.000And I was thinking how many good men and women there are.
00:55:13.000And how people are rising up and fighting the tyrants.
00:55:16.000They just don't let the general public know that because other people would know we're starting to win.
00:55:23.000And what matters is in the end we win the hearts and minds.
00:55:28.000Because we're going to go through some hell, folks.
00:55:30.000What's important is in the end the New World Order falls.
00:55:33.000And we're building the opposition that was a seed, it is now a grove.
00:55:42.000And we can take those seeds and plant those and literally repopulate the planet with liberty.
00:56:37.000Total agreement with the full onslaught of tyranny that's coming in all the different angles and I do tell people, I do, I start up conversations with tall strangers and I wanted to ask you about where I really hit the wall and argumentatively as a tactic, what You do when you hit this.
00:56:57.000I think that I can convince people of what's being done.
00:57:01.000Where I hit the wall with people is intention.
00:57:05.000You ask, you talk to Republicans in particular because it's their party that's supposed to actually have some standards.
00:57:12.000I don't think the Democrats have any at all, other than pure communism.
00:57:18.000It gets to where they say, how can these Republicans be so gutless and so stupid?
00:57:23.000And I try to say, no, it's not stupid.
00:57:33.000In the last 50 years or so, they put a committee system in.
00:57:35.000They always had committees, but they've got it where it's a leadership position where you get power the longer you're in.
00:57:41.000And so all they've got to do is control Maybe two dozen Republicans in the House and Senate total over those key committees and chairmanships, and then it's a dictatorship.
00:57:52.000And so no matter what the Republican grassroots does, that are pretty good people on average, you can never change it because John Boehner blocks it all.
00:58:01.000And so, if you can't convince them, then you can't convince them of the sun coming up in the morning, because it's all right there happening in front of their eyeballs every single day.
00:58:32.000hill so that's a big problem get the senators back to the states uh you know do things like that and you'll turn the corner anything else jerry yeah no that's that's that's an excellent point um i guess i'm actually heading for a town hall tonight with a state representative well great job brother keep it up talk to them tell them that you know we're gonna lose everything and they don't get going people are looking for leadership more calls coming up back in 60 seconds you you're up next alex jones here
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01:02:58.000Don on Oklahoma, Alex, it's my opinion, what I should be doing is concentrating on my county, constitutional sheriffs, new councilmen, commissioners, and so forth.
01:03:08.000My question to the guest is, what he might could share or let me, help me to look for on a county level?
01:03:51.000The threat fusion centers give police these tools and teach them how to engage in illegal activity.
01:03:58.000And they get the cops in and tell them it's all legal and see who will go along with it, who is influenceable, who can be federalized, who can be given an extra paycheck as an auxiliary fed, as a deputy fed.
01:04:10.000And that's the federalization that's going on right now.
01:04:15.000And that's why we're battling that as hard as we can.
01:04:21.000And Adam, and Matt, and Mariah, and many others.
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01:04:25.000We're going to have our guest on for a couple of segments dealing with censorship.
01:04:34.000And then we're going to come back to your phone calls at the bottom of the hour.
01:04:41.000And then I'm going to get into White Privilege Conference Workshop pushes grade school lessons about genderqueer, transgender folks and gender fluids.
01:04:51.000That's what they want to teach first graders.
01:04:53.000This is a teacher training seminar paid for by the feds in conservative areas like Louisville, Kentucky.
01:05:01.000They are going to teach your five-year-old how to do things that I didn't know about until I read this at 41.
01:05:09.000The government's Department of Homeland Security is buying up loads of ammo.
01:05:13.000At the same time, they're restricting civilians' rights to own and purchase firearms.
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01:08:17.000Catherine Paul heads up Organic Consumers, a major nationwide organization that checks organic a major nationwide organization that checks organic claims, that monitors government, federal and state, and global activities. .
01:08:42.000She and others from her organization have been set for months to speak at a food conference, the Future of Food and Food Safety, that Whole Foods was involved with.
01:08:51.000It's South by Southwest, one of the biggest conferences in the world, if not the biggest now.
01:09:33.000I want that Washington Post from Monday, please.
01:09:36.000Uh, where they said that, uh, the feds are moving to not have labels on drugs and vaccines.
01:09:41.000There is a move because you're waking up, we're waking up, we're winning, to shut everything down.
01:09:47.000And that ties in with FCC Chairman concedes, there's a video on Infowars.com from CNS News, FCC Chairman concedes future internet tax is possible after all.
01:09:59.000Now that we got the actual regulations, not law.
01:10:03.000We don't get law from Congress now, we get it from Obama appointees.
01:10:07.000Even though most of the commission didn't like it, you know, he's the boss, he's the little dictator.
01:10:11.000And so, they talk about taxing to fund enforcement.
01:10:17.000And they said they're going to follow the model that they've used with the FCC on broadcast AM, FM, UHF, VHF television.
01:10:26.000Everybody better be grabbing their backside and protecting it, because here comes the FCC.
01:10:31.000It'll take a few years, and they'll have Congress debate it, and they'll change some of it.
01:10:35.000It'll be on a big lobbying chopping block, fighting over the future of everything and the Internet, but it's here.
01:10:40.000So I hope all you snot-nosed Soros idiots that ran around bludgeoning me on the head and attacking me in publications and national TV saying I'm against net neutrality, I'm against Internet freedom, I hope you're pleased with what happens.
01:10:56.000I hope you're happy with taxing and regulating the Internet, because here it comes.
01:11:01.000I hope you're really proud of yourselves.
01:12:30.000That dovetails with White Privilege Conference Workshop, pushes grade school children age 5 a lesson about genderqueer, this is quote, transgender folks, lecturing elementary school age children about gay, lesbian and transgender issues and about gender fluid and how to share your gender fluids.
01:13:38.000Where MMR will not have an insert or tell you the adverse reactions or any other drug.
01:13:42.000They'll have drug ads now not telling you, where they talk for 30 seconds how great it is, and then 30 seconds it'll kill you deader than a hammer.
01:13:49.000Or make you have a heart attack, or go crazy, or murder your kids, or... I mean, you hear all those ads.
01:14:56.000I mean, just the fact that you're debating against a head of DARPA and one of the smartest inventors and geniuses of our generation gives you respect right there.
01:15:06.000And you said a lot of good stuff in it.
01:15:09.000Well, they actually pretty much took my quotes, and they had an actor engage in them.
01:15:15.000That came out a while back, a few months ago, but... Listen, the only reason I'm on a global platform... Actually, RT aired that, but it came out of, I think, the US first, but they aired it.
01:15:27.000The reason that's happening is scientists and government people hear me, insiders hear me, and they know, wow, that guy actually knows what he's talking about.
01:15:36.000I'm not bragging, but William Binney's been on the show many times, and he goes, wow, you really know about all the angles of this.
01:15:42.000Even people he worked with didn't get it, because they all just want to do their little job and go play golf.
01:15:47.000No, I really want to know how all this works, but it shows the power of the individual That now in publications and in major TV shows, I'm seen as the opposition.
01:16:00.000Well, it's only because I was willing to fight.
01:16:11.000But even if you're not more articulate than I or don't have as much energy as I, write a book, write a newsletter, talk to your police chief, visit your sheriff, put my films in the library.
01:16:23.000If everybody starts doing a little bit, many hands make light work and we can defeat the globalists.
01:16:36.000And you motivated me to make a movie and I appreciate you plugging my movie, the Conspiracy Theory documentary, when you aired the Comedy Central bit.
01:16:47.000I hope that we can nurture and basically garden with all these great sprouts like you out there who will grow up to be much mightier oaks than I.
01:16:58.000That's what a real leader does is they try to bring other people along.
01:17:05.000That's what real civilization is all about.
01:17:09.000And so, of course, if you're doing auxiliary reporting, and everybody can be an InfoWars reporter, you just say you are unofficial, because then we could have set-up folks say they work for us and do bad things in our name.
01:17:22.000We have to clearly expose those false flags.
01:18:04.000A lot of people made fun of me, my friends made fun of me, saying, oh, you're just making something out of nothing.
01:18:09.000But then the very next week with the David Cross movie, I showed that to him too, and then I show him the Bill O'Reilly and the Rachel Maddow, and they finally start to get it.
01:18:17.000I'm trying to put together all the clips to make a documentary about that also.
01:18:20.000But you and Joyce Riley mentioned the lawyer at the Boston bombing trial, how she's connected to the Mosawi trial and the Unabomber.
01:18:28.000They did release video of the younger brother running away from the scene, and you can clearly see he has no backpack.
01:18:34.000So, I've been with you the whole way with the Boston bombing.
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01:19:27.000But in time, when his cause succeeds, the timid join him, because then it costs nothing to be a patriot.
01:19:34.000Your friends will laugh at you up first, up front, because they're insecure, and they feel bad inside that they're ignorant.
01:19:41.000But as they see that you're right, and as they see things are happening, they'll remember those seeds you planted, and many times they sprout.
01:19:48.000I mean, I was dumb as a box of rocks back when I was 15.
01:19:51.000I knew history, but I didn't know it was repeating.
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01:25:25.000Renaissance started to kick in, and now they're trying to accelerate and triple down, and it is like adding nitrous oxide to an internal combustion engine.
01:25:34.000It is doing nothing but accelerating liberty.
01:25:37.000That said, though, the car can fly off the road and hurt everybody.
01:25:42.000That's why we de-escalate with the police, de-escalate with the system, Because even though they're doing a lot of bad things, they don't know they work for the New World Order.
01:25:52.000They're starting to figure it out, starting to get the big picture.
01:25:58.000I found being around feds, being around local police, being around military, being around NSA people, being around, you name it, from top retired generals, recently retired, to top NSA people, right down to police chiefs around the country and sheriffs.
01:26:17.000They're either evil and serving the system, or they're good and awake and don't know what to do and say, I wish the people would wake up and support us!
01:26:26.000The globalists know if we start getting together with local government and good people in the federal government, we can form a coalition that's legitimate, that's strong, with people like William Binney and Ron Paul and others, and we can legitimately have reform.
01:26:45.000They want balkanization ahead of that, and that's why they're pulling out the stops.
01:26:49.000I mean, you know the new Black Panther Party, all over the country, marching around saying, kill police, shoot police, oink, oink, bang, bang, kill a pig, here in Austin just two days ago.
01:27:03.000You know if a libertarian group, not that we'd ever even do that or want to do that, you know if a conservative group did that, we'd be arrested.
01:27:12.000You know that's organization to do murder.
01:27:15.000That's planning, in my view, legally, capital murder.
01:27:19.000To march around saying, we want to kill 20 cops, we want to shoot them, we want to take them out, armed, in an organized group.
01:27:27.000I mean, I'll tell you right now, if 20 people are marching towards me with guns, saying we want to kill Alex Jones, I legally and lawfully have the right to get in a stance on the ground and open fire.
01:27:36.000Now, what I'd actually do is just try to get out of there.
01:27:37.000I'm not looking for trouble, but, you know, this is just a joke, ladies and gentlemen.
01:27:55.000You know, when I first started listening to you, I used to just I used to love to listen to you because of your rants that you would do and your little mimicking voices and stuff used to really make me smile.
01:28:07.000Even though a lot of bad things were going on, at least I could hear you and I could feel what you were going through at the same time.
01:28:13.000Um, I lost contact with you about this time last year and then, um, regained contact again the end of this year and tried to get some information through to you, um, and, um, and other people, tried to get some information out there, but it seems like everything I do gets blocked.
01:28:49.000Well, it's hard to do that, but okay, sure.
01:28:52.000But what I wanted to talk about is, you know, a lot of this information, there's a lot of information out there, and it's a lot of things that Now it just seems like you're just bombarded with all kinds of information.
01:29:02.000But what I want to talk about is what's going on where I'm living.
01:29:07.000In my city, I live in a military-type area where they do a lot of weapons testing and program testing and things like that here.
01:29:15.000And a lot of what's going on on a worldwide scale are things that are going on right here in our city.
01:29:22.000I mean, everything from the education system to the medical, to the police, to the social services, to all of that are going on in this one, in our city, which I believe is going on in probably a lot of cities all over.
01:29:36.000Yeah, what they're doing is they're merging the military with the local threat fusion centers and the police and everything under federalized control with centralized codes, centralized dispatch, and then that's being centralized globally all into one huge computer system to track and control everything.
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01:34:42.000And here he is, 15 years later, exposing the system.
01:34:49.000And he will be joining us in about 35 minutes from now in studio.
01:34:52.000He's here with us in Austin, Texas, William Benning.
01:34:57.000And the reason I mention that is our next guest, Catherine Paul, Associate Director of Organic Consumers Association, OrganicConsumers.org, probably the leading group watchdog of other organic certifiers and writing articles about what's happening at state level, federal level, and international level.
01:35:17.000Just a cornucopia, pun intended, of vital information for people that don't want to eat pesticide-laden food, don't want to eat GMO.
01:35:25.000I want to know what true organic food is.
01:35:26.000Part of this revolution that's beginning to win.
01:35:30.000With McDonald's and all these big companies saying, no more bovine growth hormone.
01:35:35.000We're going to start phasing out the pesticides.
01:35:37.000We're going to... We're seeing some big victories here.
01:35:42.000But the establishment is striking back by going and creating fake PR organizations that come out and go, oh, sugar and high fructose is good.
01:35:54.000And I've got a stack of news articles breaking this down.
01:35:58.000But they were banned, even though they set it up months ago, from being part of this big Whole Foods-sponsored event, headlined, Gene Giants Kick OCA Off South by Southwest Food Panel Discussion.
01:36:13.000And I wanted to just show TV viewers and read this for radio listeners, just the news the last three days.
01:36:22.000From Monday to today, just a few articles I grabbed out of the stack here.
01:36:28.000sets new record for denying censoring government files.
01:38:24.000I'm going to stop right there and go to Katharine Paul, whose organization has been banned from South by Southwest, and we even know who said ban it and who they follow their orders from.
01:38:35.000Folks need to understand that the people that are running South by Southwest are extreme totalitarians and have been messing with me for 20 years, trying to jack with this radio show and TV show, so they're really bad guys.
01:38:51.000And I've been telling you this for a long time, it's becoming more and more evident.
01:38:54.000Catherine, I wanted to do five, six minutes of background, so it's not just you that this is happening to.
01:38:59.000They had the police ticket us for using a sound device downtown, warning about GMOs.
01:39:05.000My pleasure, thank you for having me on.
01:39:06.000Everybody else used sound devices, including the pedicabs and other groups, and they've let me march many times with a bullhorn, and they've lost lawsuits over it.
01:39:14.000But still, they ticketed us and shut us down because McDonald's ordered them to.
01:39:17.000I guess they're the boss, but not for long.
01:39:20.000Catherine, Paul, thank you for coming on with us today.
01:39:28.000Can you comment on that and then tell us what's happened to your organization?
01:39:33.000Well, none of what you say really surprises me, and we've seen this.
01:39:39.000You know, my focus has been for the past few years on the biotech industry corporations and the, we call them the junk food manufacturers, and they're not only, you know, propaganda programs and the millions of dollars propaganda programs and the millions of dollars that they spend to sort of spin the truth,
01:40:01.000But also their obvious manipulation of the federal government from the SBA right down to state and local politicians.
01:40:10.000So, what happened with us, as you say, is one of the organizers of a panel, a session, there at South by Southwest, contacted me, asked me if I'd be available to participate on a panel.
01:40:26.000With Kathleen Enright, the Executive VP of the Biotech Industry Organization.
01:40:32.000And I said, sure, I would be happy to sit there and have a discussion with her.
01:40:38.000But when there was no follow-up with confirmation, and I finally, you know, reached out and said, what's up?
01:40:44.000I was told, well, Kathleen Enright had said we were not allowed to be on the panel.
01:40:56.000So the biotech industry is literally running the so-called panel on safe and healthy food and the future of food here in the trendy so-called liberal city of Austin where Whole Foods is based.
01:41:08.000Whole Foods is a sponsor heavily involved and so what we have is a Don King boxing match, a fake debate with a bunch of hand-picked people that won't actually engage in any real discussion.
01:41:19.000What we have is perception management.
01:41:22.000Exactly, and you know I picked up the phone and I called Kathleen Enright and I said, is this true?
01:42:02.000I think the debate's over for them with the thousands of studies coming out that a lot of GMOs are very dangerous, and certainly we have a right to choose.
01:42:10.000They're trying to block labeling, so they're clearly the bad guys here.
01:42:16.000Well, we look at these companies and all their resources and they talk this great story about sustainable agriculture and helping farmers and feeding the world.
01:42:28.000We'd love to invite them to do exactly that, but the way to do that is not by dumping millions of pounds of glyphosate and other toxic chemicals into our soils and onto our food.
01:42:41.000So, it's a shame that with all their power and all their resources, they couldn't put it to better use.
01:42:47.000But the reality is, and as everyone knows this, genetically engineered crops were never intended as a means of salting world hunger.
01:43:01.000GMO soy and GMO corn and GMO canola oil and all of those Either go to junk food, or the vast percentage of that goes to make ethanol for your gas tanks, or to feed animals in feedlots.
01:43:16.000Sure, it's all about profit and monopoly in Monsanto and others' own perspectives and corporate speeches.
01:43:22.000You're a bigger expert on this than I, but I've seen the South by Southwest announcement that's been on TV.
01:43:27.000South by Southwest to help the earth with clean, healthy, sustainable food to feed the Africans.
01:43:33.000And in reality, from India to Africa, GMO is creating disaster zones.
01:43:38.000And in India, linked to massive farmer suicides.
01:43:42.000And here, to breast cancer and every other nightmare you can imagine.
01:43:45.000I mean, these are the folks that brought us Agent Orange.
01:43:48.000And these crops are not feeding the world.
01:43:51.000We're not feeding human beings, starving human beings, a bunch of GMO soy and corn.
01:43:57.000That's not where those crops are going.
01:44:00.000And the argument that genetic engineering can create drought-resistant crops and all of these is baloney, because 99% of GMO crops are engineered for one reason and one reason only, and that's to withstand massive doses of pesticides because 99% of GMO crops are engineered for one reason and one reason only, and that's to withstand massive doses of pesticides or herbicides, and that's what Monsanto and
01:44:25.000They can't make a profit genetically engineering a drought-resistant crop unless that drought-resistant crop requires some toxic chemical, because that's what they sell.
01:44:38.000The big four companies globally, there's a bunch of other smaller ones, but the big four have mostly the spectrum of business.
01:44:47.000They could come out with very clean, one genetic trait, studied things that use less water, have higher yield, there might still be side effects, that should all be debated and researched properly, but instead they've got hardcore pharmacological crops producing Live viruses, chemicals, you name it.
01:45:06.000Open air, where they program the crops to produce whatever they want.
01:45:20.000I mean, you cannot make this stuff up.
01:45:22.000Thousands of these crops being tested, and they just say safe and effective, debate is over.
01:45:27.000And then all their engineering are these BT crops and other systems that are designed to resist these deadly pesticides that we know.
01:45:36.000I mean, another two studies came out last week, as you know, where glyphosates are linked directly to five-fold increase in kidney failure.
01:45:45.000Well, I mean, look at the kidneys failing everywhere.
01:45:47.000I mean, it's just a, it is not a suicide pact.
01:45:51.000to go along with Monsanto, especially with their long history.
01:45:56.000It just makes me so mad to watch the so-called liberals here in Austin, Louis Black and South by Southwest, because it's not just kicking you out and putting up Monsanto like they're saving the earth and are liberals.
01:46:11.000It's that the whole thing is a censored authoritarian fraud.
01:46:22.000No, no, I mean, I couldn't agree more, and the fact that they can't even allow someone like myself to be there because they don't want to admit that there still is a debate
01:46:36.000The fact that they're spending millions and millions of dollars to show up at these places to get articles in publications all over the world written by people who on the surface look like they're scholars or scientists, but when you dig deep into their background, actually have deep ties to the industry.
01:47:01.000I want people on your show to read a couple of recent things that have come out.
01:48:12.000I just love it when the Monsanto folks and all of their front groups and phony bought-and-paid-for scientists say, there's just no proof that anybody's ever died from eating a GMO food.
01:48:29.000Or, you know, we can't trace any illnesses back to GMO foods.
01:48:34.000Well, we can't because nobody knows where that stuff is.
01:48:59.000I mean, we have an epidemic of infertility in the younger generation.
01:49:05.000Why is everybody having to go to the doctor to get pregnant?
01:49:11.000Oh, it's also real funny that in a bunch of rodent studies, they never do them in humans as you said, they do them quicker in rodents, that it causes infertility in them to eat these BT crops.
01:49:30.000And what I think, I think that people are beginning more and more to make the connection between the fact that there are two issues here.
01:49:39.000There's the issue, well there are actually way more than two issues, but when it comes to human health there's the issue of Is genetic modification itself creating a product that is itself dangerous and causing us illness?
01:49:55.000And there are plenty of studies that suggest yes.
01:49:59.000But also, you can't have those foods without using massive amounts of toxic, poisonous chemicals.
01:50:09.000And those chemicals not only are on your food, they're in your water.
01:50:14.000They're in your soil, they're in your...and they're everywhere!
01:50:18.000And it's just common sense, I think, and I think we see it.
01:50:25.000It's evidenced by the fact that the junk food companies are all in trouble, and the organics are in farmers' markets, whether they're organic or not, just local food that we know where it came from without pesticides.
01:50:39.000Sales of those are growing like crazy because people are just putting two and two together.
01:50:45.000And Catherine, you said you had three things everybody should read, and I interrupted you going back to the book.
01:50:48.000Come back and tell us those two things.
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01:55:10.000And then what were the other two points you were going to make?
01:55:13.000Well, I wanted to direct people to read a couple of other things just Just as fully, to help get more background on really the depth of the conspiracy to deceive consumers, because it really has been a conspiracy on the part of corporations.
01:55:32.000Right to Know that recently published a report called Seedy Business, What Big Food is Hiding with its Slick PR Campaign on GMOs.
01:55:42.000Great deal of good information on there.
01:55:44.000Outlining very specifically to what length these corporations have gone to manipulate government policy and manipulate the message.
01:55:57.000And also another new book out, and I think this is just a sign, I mean, that there's so much being put out there right now.
01:56:08.000A book called Poison Spring, A Secret History of Pollution and the EPA.
01:56:14.000Somebody who worked for the EPA for 15 years inside talking about how the EPA has chosen to ignore its own scientists on the issues of pesticides like glyphosate and pander instead to corporations.
01:56:29.000How do you see them striking back and in a battle, briefly, where are we right now?
01:56:36.000In the battle, I think our side is getting pretty close to a tipping point.
01:56:44.000We've heard from insiders at General Mills, they're absolutely panicked.
01:56:49.000That's why they're buying up organic companies.
01:56:58.000Corporation after corporation in the food industry are beginning to see that maybe being in bed with the biotech industry wasn't such a great idea after all.
01:57:08.000Even Chuck Norris is coming out against Monsanto.
01:57:19.000Consumers and their interest in their own personal health.
01:57:23.000That's what's really been driving this for the past A few years, and we've seen it with the battles to label GMOs and the lengths to which biotech industry have gone to defeat those laws.
01:57:37.000And they won those battles, but they lost those wars, and the backlash is incredible.
01:57:42.000I want to have you back up for a full hour in the near future.
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02:08:25.000I think you can call this particular hour Operation Toto.
02:08:41.000Little Toto pulling back the curtain so they could see what was happening behind it.
02:08:47.000William Binney is with us for the hour.
02:08:51.000William Edward Binney is the former technical leader for intelligence with the NSA before becoming a whistleblower.
02:08:56.000In late 2001, after more than 30 years in the agency, Binney has been described as one of the best analysts and codebreakers in NSA history.
02:09:03.000He basically set up a lot of what was going on so he knew they were doing illegal stuff.
02:09:31.000He wants to go through some of the Snowden slides today for TV viewers.
02:09:35.000Radio listeners can go to Infowars.com forward slash show to find the free video feed and hopefully send that link on to friends and family because Mr. Benny is a real hero.
02:09:44.000He'll just say he did his duty, but in a world of traitors, someone doing their duty is heroic.
02:09:59.000We could recap your story, what's happening, get into the exciting stuff about you coming back from Germany.
02:10:04.000You've been talking to parliaments over there.
02:10:06.000You've been talking to the EU people, I believe the British Parliament, big national headlines where you say it's a totalitarian takeover and the Guardian.
02:10:15.000But here it's starting to come out in the news as well.
02:10:21.000We could talk about you working with Oliver Stone now on the new Snowden documentary.
02:10:27.000We could get into the slides and break down the fact that it is going on from an expert, showing us not what's classified, but what's already been leaked, so you don't get in trouble.
02:10:38.000We're here with the former technical director of the NSA, the guy that actually ran it, William Binney.
02:10:45.000Okay, but, you know, there's so much here, it's really hard to know where to start because it's really been, over time, it's been, our government has moved into basically sliding down the totalitarian slope.
02:10:58.000Taking massive amounts of data on our citizens and then working around and doing it across the world.
02:11:04.000So it's basically, they're doing this for everybody in the planet.
02:11:07.000And the process started here in the NSA, and it started to spread around the world to the Five Eyes countries, the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and then to other countries like in Germany and Switzerland.
02:12:29.000I mean, that's spread around the world to other police organizations around the world, too.
02:12:33.000Anybody with an organization or police organization that has a relationship With the FBI or the DEA around the world is subject to getting this kind of information but they'll never be given the original data from the NSA collection because it's not admissible in a court of law because it wasn't acquired by a warrant.
02:12:50.000And they don't want to, with foreigners, compromise the fact that they have the ability to collect them.
02:12:53.000And don't they then fence it and wash it and they've been caught adding disinformation and it's a perfect way to put into the global data stream frame-ups.
02:13:02.000They did that kind of framing with us.
02:13:12.000I think that gives people a window into how totalitarian this is.
02:13:16.000Well, for example, the only case that went to court was Tom Drake's case.
02:13:22.000And they took him to court because he was still working for NSA at the time.
02:13:26.000This was in 2007 when they raided us initially, and then they raided Tom Drake about three months later.
02:13:33.000But his case didn't get to court until about 2010.
02:13:34.0002010 well 2010 they charged him in 2011 10 and 11 in that frame they they wanted to take him to court and then what they did was they took information that he had at his house that was marked unclassified and they changed that they drew a line through that and then stamped it classified secret or top secret then charged him with having classified material Thank you.
02:13:59.000That's like retroactively classifying something so you can charge somebody with having classified material.
02:14:30.000I had the former director of Star Wars on, he died a few years ago, Dr. Bob Bowman, and he talked about some of the space planes once, and then they called him and came to his house and kind of threatened him, and he said, hey, here's where it was released on C-SPAN, and here's where you guys and your own propaganda a decade ago released it, and then they couldn't go after him, but that's the type of stuff they pull.
02:14:51.000It's a total fabrication of evidence to put people in jail.
02:14:55.000That's our Department of Justice doing it.
02:14:57.000The Bible calls it bearing false witness.
02:15:00.000I call it perjury and felony, and these people should be charged and given a chance to explain what they did and why they did it.
02:15:08.000Tell folks what happened to you before we get into the NSA itself.
02:15:10.000Well, for me, in my case, I mean, I was kind of prominent, you know, complaining to senators and representatives and various other people, as was Tom Drake.
02:15:21.000Let's be clear, you guys were doing this internally.
02:15:23.000We were internal, in terms of the government, yes.
02:15:25.000We were going to the Inspector, we even, Kirk Levy and I even went to talk to the Department of Justice Inspector General.
02:15:33.000And of course they couldn't say anything to us, but we made it clear what the problem was with this domestic spying.
02:15:39.000But for me and all four of us, we were the four who were first raided in July of 2007.
02:15:45.000We were raided because we were the ones who signed the DOD IG complaint against NSA charging them with corruption, fraud, waste and abuse.
02:15:55.000And that caused a major DOD investigation of NSA that all verified what we were saying and that was published but redacted because even the unclassified embarrassing parts were redacted.
02:16:08.000Which is a violation of the NSA, the government... Open records.
02:16:11.000Yeah, well it's a violation of government classification regulations too.
02:16:16.000In other words, Executive Order 13526 Section 1.7 says you can't classify something or keep it classified or not declassified if it's evidence of a crime or evidence that embarrasses an agency or... You can't use the National Security Act to cover up criminal activity.
02:16:33.000And that's basically what the NSA and the DOJ and the DOD with that investigative report, that's what they were doing.
02:16:43.000They were redacting it and hiding it from Congress and hiding it from everybody else.
02:16:47.000So they're covering up what they're doing.
02:16:50.000And for us, they attempted after the raid, by the way, the DOD IG's office was the one that gave our names, as the ones who submitted that complaint against NSA, they gave our names to the FBI.
02:17:10.000And all you're doing is going to congressional committees and inspector generals whose job it is to have oversight and telling them, hey, they're breaking the law.
02:17:18.000And also, it's the committees who are supposed to, the intelligence committees in the House and Senate, and also the FISA Court, were established after the Church Committee investigation of NSA, CIA, and FBI in the 70s.
02:17:32.000And one of the main persons they were spying on back in the Minaret program was Senator Church.
02:17:38.000And that only came out recently, and the only reason they didn't, of course, was because they are spying on people who have power over them.
02:17:45.000And let's be clear, because The fake conservative argument and the fake liberal argument is the same.
02:17:50.000We're protecting you from Al-Qaeda and drug dealers and all this other stuff, but then as more of this gets leaked and comes out, they're spying on Parliament, they're spying on Congress, they're spying on other agencies, and there's so much spying going on, and you've explained this, that back when you were really spying on the Russians, really spying on radical Islamists, Legally and lawfully, that was already legal and lawful.
02:18:11.000It's the domestic stuff that's illegal, but they confuse people and say, let us protect you from Al-Qaeda, when actually they're doing the opposite.
02:18:19.000They're letting all these groups operate because they're too busy spying on their boyfriends and their girlfriends and the congressmen.
02:18:26.000Yeah, and that's one of the cases that came out was what they called an NSA love-int.
02:18:32.000Love intelligence, that's where the analysts were looking into the data to see whether or not their better parts or their spouses or girlfriends were cheating on them.
02:18:43.000Well, you don't do that, first of all, you don't do that, Erica, you do not do that with metadata.
02:19:42.000No, no, I think it was 143 or something like that.
02:19:44.000But, you know, I'm just a basic countryman.
02:19:47.000But you've got a genius for numbers and code cracking.
02:19:50.000I had a real event for doing that, yes.
02:19:53.000It's just a talent that you have to be able to look at patterns and see patterns in data, and when you can do that, that's the kind of thing you need to be able to break things and solve problems.
02:20:05.000Somehow I want to have you on, just about you, because I know most of it's classified, but you battled the Russians, the Chinese, everybody, right?
02:20:13.000Well, most of the Warsaw Pact, European communist countries and the Soviets.
02:20:17.000And you said before it upset you to go from really going spying after serious folks to like spying on congressmen.
02:20:23.000Yes, yeah, I mean and every US citizen in the country, yeah.
02:20:31.000I mean, even Senator Rockefeller, when he was addressed in January on CNN, I think it was, he addressed it, he said, they've got data on, they've probably even got data on me.
02:20:44.000Well, I mean, what he's saying was right.
02:20:46.000I mean, they're collecting all the data content and metadata on everybody in the country.
02:20:58.000Well, Mark Klein kind of exposed that too, and it's in court record in Mark Klein's case where he laid out the wiring for all the, for the NSA room in the AT&T facility in San Francisco.
02:21:09.000And on that, I think it was room 641B.
02:21:13.000What they did was they put a prism type affair or a splitter, what's called a splitter or Y connector, where you have a fiber coming in and it sends, it duplicates and sends it down two paths.
02:21:23.000One path went to the NSA room and the other path went to the normal distribution of communications.
02:21:29.000In the NSA room, all the diagramming showed all the NERIS devices they had in there, where they pushed the fiber optic networks into the NERIS device.
02:21:37.000What that did was recompile everything on the line and sessionize it, meaning reassemble all the data.
02:21:44.000Like if you send an email, it goes out in packets.
02:21:46.000We'll pull all those packets back together and say, here's the email you just sent.
02:21:50.000And then they would pass that on to NSA for storage.
02:21:59.000And then now we know those hubs are everywhere, and in front of us they're building giant, huge complexes to store it all.
02:22:06.000Yes, the latest one that they've just submitted an environmental impact statement for is a 2.8 million square foot facility on Fort Meade, taking up basically the golf course at Fort Meade.
02:22:27.000What I love about the NSA, we've had reporters in San Antonio and in Utah, and you just get there at the Walmart parking lot and start videotaping, they run up, the police go, how dare you videotape us?
02:22:38.000It's just a public, I mean, it's publicly known, it's there.
02:22:41.000Meanwhile, they're stealing all of our data, but oh, you can't aim a camera at us.
02:23:50.000I mean, they kept everybody in the dark so you had no informed electorate to make a decision about who to vote for about these issues or even embracing these issues.
02:24:00.000And they have an uninformed Congress, because that's why Representatives Amos and Conyers got a group together, a coalition of Republicans and Democrats, to try to unfund NSA, because they realized that they were being lied to by the agencies and by the intelligence committees and by the administration about what was going on.
02:24:18.000So, I mean, they had an uninformed Congress and an uninformed electorate by design.
02:24:23.000And that's basically what the Soviet Union, the Germans, that's basically what they did.
02:24:29.000I got a lot of questions coming up for you, William Binning.
02:24:32.000I want you to be able to speak on other topics you want to get into and go through some slides you gave us that Snowden leaked so you can break this down for people to kind of give us a roadmap of what's going on.
02:24:43.000As best you know, not being there in 15 years, but what's leaked and what people said, how many people really have access to the big master files to go in and send an order in and then get all my emails from a year ago or go and see a file, a text file of a phone call I had last night?
02:25:05.000Because if Snowden could really get access to all of this, That means government spies could as well.
02:25:11.000So even if we had good people in government, which we know at the top we don't, they built this fraud.
02:25:17.000They've built something that could be taken over or hacked and thus compromise everything.
02:25:22.000You build something that spies on everything, you've just built something that corporations, spies, private corporate criminals, anybody can get into and exploit and sell.
02:25:32.000And with government's history of selling driver's license, selling uranium, whatever the case is, this looks like it's a giant bazaar of information that they've just opened up.
02:25:43.000Yes, and internally in NSA they have no monitoring of the network as to what's going on and who's using it.
02:25:49.000My estimate in terms of, I mean, some of the numbers I've seen say that... Let's stop there, I don't mean to interrupt you.
02:25:54.000We monitor our network to see what people are doing around here.
02:25:57.000We monitor to see if they're downloading stuff that's illegal.
02:26:03.000In fact, we had proposed in the SARC, the SIGINT Automation Research Center, we proposed a program we called Well Grounded that said we wanted to monitor the entire worldwide network of NSA, who was on it, when they were on it, what they were doing, when they were there, as they did it.
02:26:18.000And it would be a matter of monitoring the network log, like you probably do here.
02:26:22.000The same principle, it's the idea where anybody on the network sends data down the line, you can see what they're doing, and that's recorded in the log.
02:26:28.000So you can analyze that log with software, and that's what we intended and proposed to do.
02:26:57.000But the real opposers of it were the managers.
02:27:00.000And the reason they didn't want that happening was we could watch the movement of all the money.
02:27:05.000We could see all the money being spent on every program, the return on investment of every program, whether or not they were successful or not, who, what companies were competing for it, all of that kind of stuff.
02:27:27.000Listen, I've had hundreds of employees over the years.
02:27:30.000We have 50 plus now, best crew I've ever had, hands down.
02:27:35.000I've turned pretty much any employee loose, do whatever they want in almost every case, they end up going off the reservation causing problems.
02:27:42.000I mean, the recipe of just leaving home, you know, to your 14 year old son for a year, you'd come back, I mean, it'd be a disaster.
02:27:52.000Imagine a government agency with billions of dollars a month to spend and there's no oversight.
02:28:01.000I mean, even the intelligence committees, all they can do is come out and get a briefing from the people at NSA, and all they hear is what they want to tell them.
02:28:08.000And the same is true with the FISA Court.
02:28:10.000The FISA Court has no way of checking or verifying or validating what they're being told.
02:28:13.000That was one of the main things we suggested to the President, is how to fix NSA.
02:28:18.000Is to have a technical group that would make sure that what they're telling them is true, being very simply put, I suggest the hackers in the United States, they're the ones who want to find things and solve problems.
02:28:28.000Take these hackers, give them clearances and give them the authority to go into any agency, in any intelligence community agency in the government, sit at any terminal, look at any database, monitor every program they have and what their analysts are doing at any time.
02:28:43.000And that would verify, be able to verify what they're being told is true.
02:28:46.000Right now, there is no government in the world that can trust any intelligence agency they've created.
02:28:51.000I was at Barton Springs last year on a sunny day with two guys and two women sitting next to me on their towels and they were all police going to finish up degrees.
02:29:02.000Two of them had just finished up to go work at the NSA in San Antonio.
02:29:06.000They were bragging like they were James Bond and just blabbering classified stuff right next to me.
02:29:12.000I looked at them and I said, you know, when we take this country back, you're going to be known as like the Nazis.
02:29:17.000Even if you think this is cute, you shouldn't be laying around on the grass blabbering about it.
02:29:22.000See, that's what my wife said to me right after we were raided by the FBI.
02:29:26.000She said she wanted to leave the country.
02:29:29.000Because she thought this was basically the Gestapo coming in.
02:29:36.000I'm jumping in a lot because this is just so epic what you're breaking down.
02:29:39.000William Benny, former technical director of the National Security Agency, is with us.
02:29:43.000He's going to get into whatever topics he wants to cover, break down where all this is going, the awakening he sees happening, his meetings with Oliver Stone, Snowden info, and more straight ahead.
02:29:54.000We'll have to go into some overdrive if you've got the energy because this is epic information.
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02:33:10.000You can complain about Big Brother and how this is a potential program run amok.
02:33:23.000But when you actually look at the details, then I think we've struck the right balance.
02:33:27.000And if people can't trust not only the executive branch, but also don't trust Congress, and don't trust federal judges, to make sure that we're abiding by the Constitution, due process, and rule of law, then we're going to have some problems here.
02:34:34.000But for people in the government, better choose a side, because this is classic totalitarianism.
02:34:41.000Every top constitutional lawyer, whether they're liberal or conservative, has come out and said, we're going over the edge, this is scary.
02:34:48.000Even Congress is saying that, but there's no oversight, so it's just all out of control now.
02:34:54.000Now there are centralized groups that have a lot of power.
02:34:57.000But the scariest thing is, if this was a centralized system, we could probably fix it a lot better.
02:35:03.000William Bennington, I'm going to give you the floor to cover a bunch of topics you want to get into and go over some of these graphics from Snowden.
02:35:10.000Am I right from your expert opinion that it's worse that there's not even oversight because there's all these mini-empires and God knows what going on with just unlimited spying happening and Congress doesn't know what to do?
02:36:54.000So it couldn't be stored in any NSA database.
02:36:57.000It couldn't be accessed by any NSA analyst or anybody in the CIA.
02:37:00.000So when you were there, the NSA was truly spying on foreign adversaries.
02:37:04.000Yes, but General Hayden, when he was director, and it was Bush, Cheney, Hayden, and Tenet that decided to spy on everybody.
02:37:14.000That was to expand the authority of an NSA to go into, in secret by the way, to spy and collect data on every US citizen and everybody on the planet.
02:37:24.000And so when they did that, that's when I first saw that coming in.
02:37:27.000That was when I had to wash my hands of NSA.
02:37:57.000All the lawyers, all of the senior managers at NSA had all followed orders from the White House, from Cheney and Bush, to do this.
02:38:06.000And that's what Hayden directed them to say, that this is what was, this direction was coming from the White House, therefore we're going to do it, it's lawful and we do it.
02:38:13.000But to talk about what a hero and how much courage you've got, I mean, you know how serious people are in this government, what they do worldwide, how corrupt it's gotten at that point.
02:38:20.000You had the will to march into Congress and to tell them what was going on, the first guy I mean, that's ten times bigger than Snowden internally.
02:38:28.000And to really start this whole internal debate and this avalanche of understanding now, I mean, you were really one of the first people to ring the bell to warn folks that the country, as we knew it, was being dismantled.
02:38:40.000Yes, and in order to do that, I had to meet with one of the staffers of the House Intelligence Committee, Diane Rourke, that I knew.
02:38:45.000So I met with her at her house, because we couldn't trust the House Intelligence Committee, because they were a part of it.
02:38:52.000And we also couldn't trust anybody in NSA, so the only place that we'd find we could have a conversation or even talk about this was her house.
02:39:01.000There was no other place that was secure.
02:39:02.000In the supposed free country of America.
02:39:07.000Well yeah, after that and after talking to other members of Congress, and it was actually the morning of the second day after Attorney General Gonzalez's testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee on the Terrorist Surveillance Program, where he only talked about the warrantless wiretap program.
02:39:27.000But that was only a smidgen of what they were doing.
02:39:29.000I mean, that was like an infinitesimal of what they were really taking in.
02:39:33.000At that time it must have been a lower percentage of phone calls but the vast majority of emails inside the United States as well as worldwide.
02:39:42.000Which I estimated to be now at least 80% of the phones calls in the United States are now being recorded somewhere.
02:39:48.000That's how Tim Clemente could say that after the Boston bombing we can get back to what was said in a phone call between one of the Tsarnaev brothers and his wife before the bombing.
02:39:57.000Let's be clear, they're saying it on television that they're recording all the calls, but then denying it out of the next breath.
02:40:04.000Also, Dr. Mueller of the FBI, in his Senate Judiciary testimony on the 30th of March of 2011, said that he got together with the Department of Defense and set up a database where he and the FBI could make one query and get all past and all future emails on a person.
02:40:21.000Now that tells you that that's coming out of Bluffdale, by the way.
02:40:25.000All the data is being collected and stored.
02:40:28.000And so it's not just phone calls, it's emails, it's everything else.
02:40:32.000And of course some of the recent publications show credit card use is being stored also.
02:40:37.000How many people in the NSA, how many people have a high enough clearance in government agencies, period, to be able to go in and hear my phone calls, Shay, to my dad yesterday?
02:40:48.000I believe the figures I've seen, at least what's been published, is probably on the order of about 3,000.
02:41:01.000You have all these contractors who manage the communications, the computers, the data storage, the query programs, and the communications back and forth between the analysts to ensure all that.
02:41:10.000Who could do a Snowden-level breach if they wanted?
02:41:56.000What's behind... At the end of the day, what do you think the different power elites are thinking?
02:42:02.000I basically see us moving to a controlled society.
02:42:07.000A totalitarian state where it is, the government wants to be in charge.
02:42:13.000I mean, when Reagan said we're a country with a government, I think we're now a government with a country.
02:42:18.000And all of the things that are happening are only tightening that control on the people.
02:42:23.000They're going to manipulate them and as long as they can keep them uninformed, And nobody realizes what's going on, or they don't see the threat.
02:42:32.000If they say, if you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide.
02:42:36.000First of all, that's a great quote from Joseph Goebbels.
02:43:18.000In fact, I originally had a... Because of this problem of not... the contractor's not really solving the problem, I kept thinking, well, their vision statement must be, aim low and miss, you know?
02:43:43.000And that's why they've had a lot of top geopolitical analysts admit now that that's why we have such a corrupt global elite is because they don't ever want to fix any problems because they're getting contracts or their buddies are off of things getting worse.
02:43:55.000But if they end up destabilizing the whole planet and bringing down civilization, then all their Swiss bank money isn't going to buy Jack Squat.
02:44:04.000That's another problem with the programs that they've been doing, like recognizing weaknesses in firewalls and operating systems, and weakening encryption systems with the Bull Run program, for example, out of NSA.
02:44:16.000That's weakening all those things around the world for everybody.
02:44:24.000They're building back doors and being shappers for real criminals and groups out there.
02:44:29.000Yeah, but also weakening encryption systems so that you can penetrate them and read them.
02:44:34.000So the point is that NSA has no monopoly on smart people.
02:44:39.000People around the world, hackers and people in Russia and China and so on, all around the world, also have smart people.
02:44:45.000And they can go in and hack into systems and recognize these weaknesses in the firewalls and operating systems and the encryption systems, so they can penetrate everything too.
02:44:56.000I mean, the point is if you keep those things weak, which is what the operational side of NSA wants to do, because then that allows them to see into what you're doing.
02:45:06.000That's like saying we want the average American to have a 70 IQ because that makes us more manageable.
02:45:12.000We'll just then be a nation of mentally retarded people.
02:45:15.000I mean, I hate to use a bad analogy like that, but it's like, make us totally wide open so we can spy on you, not seeing the fact that it just opens the world up to all these data breaches.
02:45:25.000Every day, Bank of America or this or Google losing millions of this, millions of that, credit cards not working, my bank accounts constantly having people doing stuff.
02:46:05.000When I was in operations, I had solved a system I thought was a pretty significant one, and I thought, well, the IAD people also do that for our side, so I would go over and talk to them about what I've just solved from the other side, the operations side, and tell them, here's the solution on the bad guys.
02:46:22.000And isn't this very similar to what you do for ours and shouldn't you watch for these kind of penetrations that I can do over here?
02:46:28.000You know, and they wouldn't talk to me about this.
02:46:30.000Well, we have hackers that call us, some famous ones, and they tell us holes and stuff we've got.
02:46:36.000You're saying they didn't want to communicate and... Exactly, internally in NSA.
02:46:40.000They didn't want to communicate and share that kind of knowledge.
02:46:43.000But I told them my side, so they can use it defensively.
02:46:45.000But by doing the things they're doing, the operations side, seeing all the weakness, isn't telling the defensive side that they... Wow, so these agencies, you always hear this, but they really are their own little fiefdoms, waging war against each other.
02:46:58.000And that doesn't count going to CIA and the conflicts between CIA and NSA.
02:47:06.000Since you bring that up, some people say, and I don't know if it's true or not, and you've talked to Oliver Stone, he's talking to Snowden, that Snowden could be a CIA operative in a dirty war about taking some of the power away from NSA.
02:47:18.000I think that's basically an effort to deflect what Snowden has compromised and sent to get published about what's going on.
02:47:30.000CIA, and in some of the material slides that I have that Snowden has released, it shows the CIA connection into the NSA databases, which exposes all that data to CIA as well as the FBI.
02:47:44.000And that's how they do the parallel construction.
02:47:46.000They first go in and get the data from NSA and then they have to do a parallel construction.
02:47:52.000And they have almost direct access into those databases.
02:47:57.000It is surreal that I'm 41 years old and I'm sitting here reaching millions of people with William Binney, the former technical director of the NSA, who ran warfare operations against all these other governments, and you're here telling me that we're going into a total tyranny.
02:48:13.000I've got all these questions, these Twitter questions, that was one of them, we've got all these...
02:48:17.000Open phones, I'll give the number out for a couple calls, 800-259-9231, 800-259-9231.
02:48:19.000We're going to break here in a few minutes, we'll do a little bit of overdrive, and then I'm just so thankful to have you here.
02:48:31.000What else are key tidbits you'd like to impart to the listeners and viewers out there about what we're dealing with and how you think we may be able to change it?
02:48:41.000And then separately, you said you think there is an awakening happening.
02:49:13.000And that paired up with the content collection and metadata collection shows them who you are, who you're talking to, what you're talking about, and perhaps even why you're discussing things, and even in a journalist's sense, a wham about what kind of operation you're trying to do.
02:49:31.000And then you pair that up with the treasure map type approach, getting you the when, when you are somewhere, and where you are when you're doing this.
02:49:39.000That gives you all the components of a story of your life.
02:50:07.000If you want to back up one, yeah that slide shows all of the programs internally in NSA and how CIA and FBI access them.
02:50:15.000Skip this break too guys, it's too important.
02:50:18.000So they go into these programs, the programs on the right basically index the metadata that builds the social networks for, that's Mainway and Marine.
02:50:28.000All of this was denied, all of this illegal.
02:50:32.000But it also is storing the content in Pinwhale for the digital network and the voices in the Nucleon.
02:50:38.000That's where the content is stored and it's indexed against the relationships that are built in the in the graphs in Mainway and Marina so that analysts look at the graphs and they pull out the graph and see something interesting they say okay give me all the content that goes with it and it gets pulled out from those two databases.
02:50:53.000So they go through see the metadata see the key things that the algorithm picks that they think might be important then they can drill down and hear you having phone sex with your wife.
02:51:01.000Exactly, and it's also true of CIA and FBI.
02:51:28.000And they now with voice print analysis for a long time can take a recording of your voice with different programs that are publicly available, type it in and then create William Binney saying in a speech whatever they wanted to.
02:51:41.000That's also, we call that manipulation, yeah.
02:51:45.000And the public doesn't know they can manipulate DNA, they can manipulate biometrics, they can manipulate voice.
02:51:51.000Well, even some of the metrics that they're using in terms of biometrics, that's kind of within a range of probabilities, so that's still, when they claim, if they claim they have a match, that's not necessarily a match.
02:52:02.000But they can claim it based on the probabilities that they're... Yeah, I see that all the time.
02:52:06.000We have a voice print or a face print that you're the person that did this and it turns out it's not true.
02:52:12.000Those things are only accurate up to a degree, and they won't tell you that that's true, because it weakens their argument.
02:52:19.000Can you imagine if Stalin or Hitler would have had stuff like this?
02:52:23.000Well, just think back in the revolution.
02:52:26.000Washington and the Continental Congress would have been erased immediately.
02:52:55.000And when they say they don't collect content or they don't tap into the fiber network randomly in the U.S., there's a slide, a Fairview slide, that shows all of the tap points in the 48 states of the United States.
02:53:06.000It's not random, it's directed, it's based at convergent points where fibers converge, where they put collection devices where it gives them a much larger view.
02:53:22.000And it's basically following the distribution of the population of the United States.
02:53:26.000And also, if you know, as they claim, they were only after foreign communications.
02:53:32.000If they were only after foreign communications, the only sites they would need would be along the coast, where the transoceanic cables surface.
02:54:10.000But so is Obama saying the borders can be wide open or he can ban green tip ammo.
02:54:14.000What we have is a government that's above the law, only we are subjected to the law, and they change it any way they want to fit their desire.
02:54:23.000William Binney is our guest in studio.
02:54:27.000Laura LaRue asked on Twitter, at Real Alex Jones, why haven't we begun impeachment recall process for the feds funding, I got examples of them funding terrorists and spying the blackmail public officials.
02:54:41.000I think it's just a continuation of their doing what they want to do and they feel they're above the law.
02:54:45.000For example, when Nancy Pelosi, when she was Speaker of the House, said impeaching George Bush is off the table, that's because she was one of the first of four people in Congress briefed on these programs.
02:54:56.000So if she impeached George Bush, George could say to her, you have to impeach yourself because you're a part of this.
02:55:00.000That's how Julius Caesar, who you mentioned earlier, got control, is he corrupted the patrician families so they were part of it.
02:55:08.000This was all done in secret too, by the way.
02:55:10.000They were given secret briefings, they couldn't talk about it.
02:55:13.000Rockefeller talked in his letter to Cheney about this, that I'm not a technician, I'm not a legal person, but I'm really uncomfortable about this.
02:55:25.000All they had to do at that point was say, anybody from the House should have stood up and said, look, this is obviously unconstitutional.
02:55:33.000If you don't stop this, I'm going to introduce impeachment procedures against you in the House.
02:55:37.000And now the genie's out of the bottle and the Russians and everybody else are doing it.
02:56:02.000There's so many things to get to in these questions.
02:56:06.000Over and over again they ask, how do we throw off this tyranny, what can we do?
02:56:11.000Well, I mean, the two, I mean, the main approach right now, I think, is you have to hammer your representatives and senators.
02:56:18.000And not just with emails or Twitter or phone calls, but also when they come to public forums with the public town meetings.
02:56:26.000Get up and embarrass them with asking questions of why aren't you why aren't you living up to your office oath of office to defend the Constitution because under this spying they're violating all our constitutional rights of privacy.
02:56:37.000And we know they're using it to frame people.
02:56:39.000I want to go to some phone calls but what about Google?
02:56:43.000And Facebook, and all their relationships with the government, and how they're engaged in spying.
02:56:47.000I mean, Hertz is putting cameras in the cars.
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03:00:27.000William Benny is here with us right now, former technical director of the National Security Agency, just exposing mass crime and a criminal conspiracy of arrogance and fraud that destroys our national security, destroys our children's futures, and is openly used to just rape our basic liberties.
03:00:46.000Brian, in Florida, you're on the air with William Benny.
03:02:23.000I mean, they started the kind of spying on their own populations, and now we have adopted that procedure and gone N degrees further.
03:02:31.000Yeah, when I first heard this 15 years ago, I didn't believe it, but they actually hired Marcus Wolfe, the former head of the Stasi, as a consultant, and they're setting up the HUMET Homeland Security Infra-Guard squads, and Bezzi setting up on-the-ground intelligence as well, and it's all political.
03:03:00.000John in Georgia, go ahead, you're on the air.
03:03:04.000Yes Alex, what I'd like to ask is these programs, the only way that I can see them being operational would be using people's taxes.
03:03:15.000And why isn't there someone calling for a repeal of, is it the 15th Amendment or the 16th Amendment, to try to cut off the head of the snake, so to speak, so they can't get the funding?
03:03:25.000Sure, when the government's gone rogue, it does get to the point of saying, we better not pay our taxes.
03:03:29.000The problem is, they'll just issue more bonds to themselves.
03:03:32.000It's, it's, it's, that's why they're so arrogant.
03:03:34.000It's reached cuckoo level, where they have disconnected from reality, in my view.
03:03:38.000Yeah, I think, I think that's absolutely right.
03:03:53.000And when it comes to taxes, if you're going bankrupt because of onerous taxes, and you're a hard-working guy and you can't feed yourself, I mean, I wouldn't pay him.
03:04:02.000And I'm not telling you don't pay him.
03:04:03.000It's like the mob, they'll break your legs.
03:04:04.000But, you know, this system is getting so bad that you can't blame... Thank you so much, caller.
03:04:10.000William Binney, what about the issue of having a lawless government?
03:04:12.000Won't that encourage everybody else to become lawless?
03:04:16.000Well, I know there's... I mean, I'm hearing from my brother and others in Virginia where they're thinking, geez, this looks like we need another revolution.
03:04:25.000I think we have ways and means of doing it right now, but it's putting pressure on... I mean, if we have to, we have to fire everyone that's in Washington.
03:04:32.000We just have to fire them all, get rid of them, because they're... I was even recommending a new... having our Article 5 convention to set up a new way of electing people.
03:04:40.000That's by randomly picking from the phone book.
03:04:42.000We certainly can't do any worse than what we've got now.
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03:08:26.000State my concerns to you, the American public, about what I feel we need to do in terms of combating and changing the course that our government's taken.
03:08:39.000From the arguments the government puts forward, they say they're doing this for security of the people of the United States, and they're doing it for terrorism to try to prevent it, and you have to give up your privacy for them to be able to do that, and that's just an outright lie, first of all.
03:08:52.000And secondly, what's really happening by taking in this bulk data, it's really Overburdening their analysts in the NSA, CIA, all over the world.
03:09:01.000And so they can't really stop these events of terrorism, like the bombings in Boston, or the shooting in Paris, or in Copenhagen, or the Fort Hood shooter, or any of that, because their analysts are so burdened with data, they use a dictionary select type approach, which is fundamentally a Google approach.
03:09:19.000That means that when they do their daily polls, they use their dictionary select, and they get like a Google return.
03:09:25.000Well, that's hundreds of thousands, or even a million returns.
03:09:29.000No analyst could make it through all that data in any day, and the next day they get an equivalent amount.
03:09:34.000So that means they're making themselves totally dysfunctional.
03:09:37.000And that's just not true for NSA, that's also true in GCHQ and around the world, because all these governments are adopting the same procedures.
03:09:44.000Instead of taking a focused approach, which would make a rich environment of content to be able to manage and analyze, that would make them successful.
03:09:52.000So fundamentally, they're exposing people to more risk.
03:09:57.000They're not actually protecting you, they're making it more risky for you.
03:10:00.000You're losing security because of this procedure they've adopted.
03:10:05.000So, the point is, from my perspective, I keep arguing, and other NSA whistleblowers and I have made suggestions on how to do this to the government, but the President has not adopted those techniques, nor have any of the intelligence agencies, simply because there is too much money in this process of doing bulk acquisition of data.
03:10:26.000That's their motive, to keep having the money flow and keep that going.
03:10:32.000So, changing that particular procedure is rather difficult, even within government, because this money comes out and goes to corporations that are in the constituent areas of the representatives and senators.
03:10:44.000So they have a vested interest in also keeping this going.
03:10:48.000So the only way to do it is to raise up as a public.
03:10:50.000We have to start standing up as Americans.
03:10:52.000Americans aren't supposed to sit back and let things happen and let Let government do what it does.
03:10:59.000We're supposed to be out there challenging.
03:11:01.000We have to be participating in our democracy and republic.
03:11:05.000We cannot sit by and let these things happen and be quiet.
03:11:08.000If we do, we're going to get this totalitarian state that we're sliding toward right now.
03:11:13.000So that's really the basic issue that I have to convey to you, that you need to stand up.
03:11:25.000And the power is to talk to your representatives and senators and complain to them and make sure that this is a major concern to you.
03:11:34.000And when they come around to give you town meetings and talk to you and get your vote, stand up and address them and make them publicly come out with a statement of their position on this issue.
03:11:46.000If you don't, I mean, they're going to continue doing what they are doing right now.
03:11:51.000They simply say they're assuming, because now if you're not complaining, they're assuming that you're okay with everything they do or they feel they can do anything and the country will accept it.
03:12:03.000And as long as they keep saying things and not telling the truth and exposing what's really going on, they can keep you in the dark and you'll never know.
03:12:11.000So that's why you have to get up, stand up, challenge them.
03:12:15.000I mean, after all, they're even addressing the free press we're supposed to have, like with Jim Risen and Jim Rosen of the AP and various other investigative journalists.
03:12:27.000They're shutting down their sources of information and keeping them quiet.
03:12:32.000So the free press is supposed to be interrogating the government to see what they're doing so they can inform the public what the government is after and what they're really doing.
03:12:44.000They had him under subpoena for any number of years trying to get him to tell the source of information in the books and things he's published.
03:12:53.000Well, under the press rules, he had the right to keep the sources confidential.
03:12:58.000So they're attempting to destroy a free press, which is the next step in going to a totalitarian state.
03:13:04.000So if we don't stand up, Americans, we're going to lose our country.
03:13:08.000We're going to lose the process that we hold dear, that at least a republic I've had when I grew up, and that my father and his father before him had.
03:13:18.000I mean, we're going to lose it because we can't trust We cannot trust the government and what they're saying.
03:13:23.000They, in fact, have been deliberately keeping us in the dark as to what's going on and keeping a lot of Congress in the dark, too.
03:13:31.000So by doing this complaining to the Congress, you have at least an opportunity to change the process and the sequence of things and where it's headed.
03:13:40.000Short of that, I mean, you have to fire everybody in Congress.
03:13:45.000That's the only way to get rid of them.
03:13:46.000You have to get rid of the bums because they're not living up to their oath of office, which is to protect and defend the Constitution.
03:13:53.000The President, of course, has the additional responsibility under his oath of office to preserve the Constitution.
03:13:59.000He has to preserve, protect, and defend.
03:14:02.000The others, like when I was in government, I had to protect and defend the Constitution.
03:14:06.000That's why I felt that what I was doing was consistent with my oath of office, also consistent with being a citizen of the United States, of actively getting and participating in this democracy that we have, is getting up there and standing up and defending that Constitution.
03:14:22.000At least trying to protect it and defend it.
03:14:24.000That's something that our representatives in Washington are not doing, and that's something we have to call them on.
03:14:30.000We have to make sure, as the citizens, that we stand up and say, look, you're in office and we voted you there and your oath of office is to do this to protect our rights, and you're not doing that.
03:14:47.000And that's why Edward Snowden has really performed a huge public service by exposing these programs that have been in place and put in place since 9-11 to spy on everybody in the United States and accumulate information on everybody.
03:15:06.000It's one thing for companies to do it, which I also disagree with.
03:15:25.000I mean, you could see it in the militarization of your local police and the spread of the Department of Homeland Security and their equipment worldwide and the buying of the bullets and so on.
03:15:37.000They're all leading to the state of basically being able to control the population.
03:15:44.000And that's fundamentally what I've been, that's what I testified to in Germany when I gave testimony to the Bundestag, that the entire process that was adopted by NSA and has been spread around the world through all the intelligence agencies, is one of controlling and assembling information to be able to control the population, not just in the United States, but around the world.
03:16:05.000So this is not just threatening us and our democracy, it's a world, we're destroying democracy around the world.
03:16:11.000In fact, we're doing such a good job that the Russians and others, what we used to call totalitarian states, are now adopting the procedures that we've implemented.
03:16:20.000And this basically tells you that we're on the wrong path, our government, since Dick Cheney said publicly on television that we had to go to the dark side.
03:16:31.000Well, that meant we went to the dark side for rendering, torture, murder, drone strikes, spying on everybody.
03:16:42.000Well, that's not American, and that's certainly not consistent with the founding principles of this government.
03:16:51.000We were founded on the principles of human rights, and what the processes that are putting in place now are in fact taking those rights away.
03:17:00.000So the only way we can change this is to stand up.
03:17:06.000I don't care what it is you say or how you say it, but get up and participate and discover and make sure that if you oppose this move towards totalitarianism, you need to speak up and say something.
03:17:17.000You have to get out there and participate.
03:17:19.000And that's really the theme of what I would like to say to everybody in America.
03:17:24.000And that's what The only way now to do it is to address your representatives and senators and make sure that you push that on them and keep pushing that.
03:17:37.000And if they don't start saying them, just tell them you're going to fire them by voting against them the next time.
03:17:41.000That will get their attention because that's really what they want to do.
03:17:44.000They want to stay in Congress and be there for years.
03:17:50.000We don't have term limits, so we end up with what I call petrified politicians in place in Washington.
03:17:57.000They've been there for so long that it's a never-ending career for them.
03:18:01.000Well, when you do that with politicians, they tend to think over time that they know better than anybody else and that they don't have They believe that they can make the decisions that are right for the country, whether or not the public in the United States would agree or not, or even if they disagree, that doesn't matter.
03:18:21.000If their opinion says, let's go another way, then that's what they do.
03:18:25.000So that's where we have to stand up as a group, and you have to do this as a group and make sure that the wave of public opinion hits them in a place that hurts them, and that's at the voting booth.
03:18:38.000If you vote against them and fire them, that will get their attention.
03:18:43.000That's the big thing that I would say.
03:18:47.000And I would say if there's an incumbent list, if there's a word incumbent after somebody, you're in the voting booth.
03:18:55.000I would say more than likely it's better to vote against them.
03:18:58.000Like I said earlier, the best way I would see to do it is to randomly select people from the phone book and give them every two years a chance to get into office that way.