On this episode of The Alex Jones Show, we take you live to the Central Texas Command Center in the heart of the resistance to the attacks in France. We have two heroes, two heroes who fought the enemy physically, and a hero who was a selfless hero who did the right thing when nobody else was looking. In the second half of the show, we have the story of Thomas Drake, an NSA whistleblower who was the fourth person to be prosecuted under the Espionage Act.
00:00:51.000And Alex is going to be joining us to talk about what happened as well as to talk about I'm sure he wants to talk about these two heroes, actually three heroes, I believe, that stopped that attack in France.
00:01:03.000We're going to break down the details of that when we come back on the news.
00:01:06.000We have another kind of hero that's going to be joining us in the program in the second hour.
00:02:08.000He would have bled out if the soldier did not stop the bleeding.
00:02:12.000So that's the kind of selfless hero these guys are.
00:02:16.000We also have a selfless hero with Thomas Drake, an NSA whistleblower.
00:02:20.000You know, when you're a quiet hero, the kind that is doing the right thing when nobody is looking, the kind that has integrity and character, because that's the definition of character.
00:02:30.000Doing the right thing when no one is watching you.
00:02:33.000It's very difficult to be in that kind of a position.
00:02:35.000We're going to talk to him about why he went to work for the NSA, why he became a whistleblower, what was he reporting.
00:02:42.000He began work on September 11th, the day of the attack.
00:02:46.000We're going to talk to him about what he learned That was going on at the NSA, at the FBI, at the CIA before the attack.
00:02:54.000We're going to talk to him about what he was blowing the whistle about.
00:02:57.000We're going to talk to him about the disgusting parallels between the way he was retaliated for being a whistleblower, the retaliation against him, versus the way they have looked for every kind of excuse for Hillary Clinton.
00:03:11.000You understand that Hillary Clinton has been accused of mishandling classified documents.
00:03:17.000That was precisely what they came after Thomas Drake for.
00:03:21.000But rather than make excuses for Thomas Drake, they tried to lock him away for 35 years.
00:03:27.000He was only the fourth person to be prosecuted in that way under the Espionage Act.
00:03:32.000Of course, the first one was Daniel Ellsberg, the Pentagon Papers.
00:03:37.000It's an interesting story, it's an amazing story, and I think that there was far more than the alleged mishandling of documents.
00:03:52.000They should not have been classified in the first place.
00:03:55.000Some of them were not classified when he got them.
00:03:59.000And that was the same excuse that Clinton has, except that her emails are emails that are born classified, as we discussed on Friday.
00:04:07.000A former official with the organization that classifies documents for the American government says that when you have conversations, With the Secretary of State and foreign dignitaries.
00:04:19.000Or they have intelligence that has been collected on foreign dignitaries by the NSA.
00:04:43.000We're also going to talk about the history of the Espionage Act.
00:04:47.000We're going to talk about the culture of trying to sell a philosophy of surveillance.
00:04:53.000One of the things that Thomas Drake did in the years before he went to the NSA was he watched carefully the Stasi, just as William Binney did.
00:05:00.000I think that's why he was so concerned about it.
00:05:03.000And again, joining us at the bottom of the hour is going to be Alex Jones.
00:06:35.000Alex Jones has been in Canada this weekend.
00:06:38.000He spoke at a George Norrie event in Toronto last night.
00:06:41.000He's going to be joining us, however, at the bottom of the hour he's going to be calling in.
00:06:45.000And in the next hour, we have joining us Thomas Drake.
00:06:50.000One of the big NSA whistleblowers that were concerned about the mishandling, I would not say, he was actually charged, alleged mishandling of documents, but he and William Binney and others were concerned about the way the government was mishandling your information.
00:07:06.000Violating the Constitution, the dragnet surveillance, the massive boondoggle, the massive waste involved in that.
00:07:12.000There were a lot of different aspects of things that they were concerned about.
00:07:15.000They went through official channels, they were shut down.
00:07:18.000Eventually they went to the press and then there was retaliation.
00:07:23.000Interestingly enough, from the same prosecutors that gave the banks no prosecution.
00:07:31.000Lanny Breuer, the guy who became famous for his too big to jail comments about HSBC.
00:07:47.000Donald Trump was talking about him a lot.
00:07:48.000Well, they were laundering money for him.
00:07:50.000He had his own private window at HSBC.
00:07:54.000HSBC and other big banks had been caught before laundering money.
00:07:58.000They had been given probation, a little slap on the wrist, not much at all.
00:08:03.000They caught them again because they didn't reform their processes, their procedures.
00:08:08.000That time they gave them a larger fine, still a very, very small fine concerning the amount of profit that they had made.
00:08:16.000And they said, we're not going to take away their charter.
00:08:18.000That would not serve the interests of the American people.
00:08:22.000And for that, everybody said, oh, you're saying that they're too big to jail, just like they were too big to fail back under the Bush administration.
00:08:30.000Nevertheless, the same Lanny Breuer comes after Thomas Drake.
00:08:38.000Well, he came after him for allegedly mishandling classified documents.
00:08:41.000Not giving them to a foreign power, but allegedly mishandling them.
00:08:46.000Precisely the same charges that many people are alleging about Hillary Clinton.
00:08:51.000However, the The information that Hillary Clinton has, both in quantity and in its classified nature, makes the three or four documents that they came after Thomas Drake for pale in comparison.
00:09:16.000It wasn't the private conversation with foreign dignitaries.
00:09:19.000So we're going to talk to him about what happened as a whistleblower, his concerns about the NSA, the dangers that he sees, because as I mentioned in the last segment, like William Binney, he spent a great deal of time watching East Germany and the Stasi.
00:09:32.000He knows what a surveillance state it looks like.
00:09:35.000He also knows that what we are capable of now is far more dangerous than anything that ever happened under the Stasi.
00:09:42.000So I want to talk to Thomas Drake because I want people to understand how there's a double legal standard here.
00:09:49.000How we have a dark double government, as he points out.
00:09:52.000People like Hillary Clinton can do whatever they wish and get away with whatever they do.
00:09:59.000But people who point out the crimes of government are retaliated against like Thomas Drake.
00:10:04.000He also has something to tell us about 9-11.
00:10:07.000I'm very interested to talk to him about that as well.
00:10:10.000Now we have some other heroes that we're going to be talking about here in just a moment, but before we do, those are the people who stopped the terrorist attack on the train.
00:10:19.000Before we do, I want to go over some economic news.
00:10:21.000These are a couple of articles that are up on InfoWars.com.
00:10:24.000The global economy is officially melting down.
00:10:26.000They say as much as the financiers on Wall Street and officials of the Fed would like to keep the party going, it looks like it is about to stop.
00:10:34.000This is from Joshua Krauss of Daily Sheeple.
00:10:35.000He says years of bailout and monetary expansion have created one of the most inflated and artificial economic booms in history.
00:10:42.000He points out the Dow has fallen 1,300 points from its peak.
00:10:46.000On Friday alone, it fell by 530 points, making it the ninth worst stock market crash in U.S. history.
00:10:52.000Another article we have says the two-day stock market crash this week.
00:10:57.000was greater than any one-day stock market crash in US history.
00:11:05.000Going on with some of the other metrics from this first article, he says the Shanghai composite fell by more than 11% this week.
00:11:11.000China's stock market has lost a third of its value since its previous peak.
00:11:15.000He says it's lost 4% of its value on just Friday alone after it was revealed their manufacturing activity had reached a 77-month low.
00:11:24.000That's over six years, about six and a half years.
00:11:27.000400 of the world's richest people lost a total of 182 billion dollars this week, amounting to 6% of their collective wealth.
00:11:35.000I won't be crying for them, but you have to be concerned that they will do something very dangerous.
00:11:41.000Just as we heard before 9-11, they need another Pearl Harbor.
00:11:46.000That works whether you want to build the size of the NSA or whether you want to Shake things up so you can make money, because they make money when things rise rapidly, and they make money when things fall rapidly.
00:11:59.000They can go long or they can go short.
00:12:01.000They can buy into it or they can sell these things short.
00:12:04.000So they can make a lot of money if they create a massive crisis.
00:13:38.000Now, there were massive protests yesterday across the country against Planned Parenthood.
00:13:43.000There were over 300 protests that were set up on Saturday.
00:13:48.000We have an article up on InfoWars.com showing some of the Twitter feeds, showing some of the pictures, people's reports about how many people that were there.
00:14:02.000In Lincoln, Nebraska, they say about 300-plus.
00:14:06.000In Nashville, I looked at some of the ones in North Carolina from some of my friends that were putting them out.
00:14:10.000Charlotte had about 400 people turn out to that rally.
00:14:14.000In Raleigh, they had about 100 people.
00:14:17.000Let's see, this is Greensboro, they had about 130 people.
00:14:20.000If you've got 300 rallies across the country, and an extremely conservative figure of 100, which is the smallest one of those cities that I saw, and that was in Raleigh, that would give you 30,000.
00:14:33.000But of course there's some places that have 400, some places that have 1,000 people there.
00:14:38.000I hope we have turned the corner on this.
00:14:40.000I hope we understand, finally, the value of life.
00:14:45.000Like many people, I was sitting on the fence not thinking about it a great deal.
00:14:50.000I thought of it as an individual's choice until we saw the entire birth of a child except for the top of their head.
00:15:01.000A partial birth abortion, they call it.
00:15:04.000At that point, I realized that it was murder.
00:15:06.000And at this point, I think people are waking up to not only the profit motive, of Planned Parenthood.
00:15:12.000And we've talked to Abby Johnson, who was a Planned Parenthood employee, Employer of the Year, a manager in Houston.
00:15:21.000She resigned because she realized that they were not just trying to help young women coming in there, pregnant women, to make a decision to give them treatments.
00:15:30.000They were pushing them towards an abortion.
00:15:31.000They had a quota that they needed to do.
00:15:34.000And she also saw ultrasound of a child That was being aborted, and she saw it recoiling in pain, trying to get away.
00:15:44.000They told her, well, it's too young to feel any pain.
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00:20:45.000Alex Jones is going to be joining us in the next segment.
00:20:48.000He went to Toronto last night to speak at a George Norrie event.
00:20:52.000He was one of the guest speakers there last night, one of the featured speakers.
00:20:56.000He's going to be calling us to tell us about that, and I'm sure that he wants to weigh in on the situation in France, where there was a terrorist attack on one of the trains, a man with an AK-47.
00:21:21.000The crew on the Paris-bound train barricaded themselves in their staff room and locked the door.
00:21:27.000As he was going through the train, his 26-year-old Moroccan national Air Force Airman Spencer Stone ran at the gunman when he opened fire on the high-speed service to Paris.
00:21:36.000Also joining him was Oregon National Guard member Alec Skarlatos and Anthony Sandler from California, they were friends, and British national Chris Norman.
00:21:47.000They beat him senseless and tied him up waiting for the authorities.
00:21:52.000And of course, Spencer Stone was severely injured himself.
00:21:55.000He was cut several times with a box cutter and his thumb, I think it was one of his fingers at least, was nearly cut off.
00:22:03.000Nevertheless, in spite of that wound, he went to the aid of passengers, a couple of whom had been shot.
00:22:09.000So these guys took the pistol from him, then they took the AK-47 and beat him with his own gun until he was unconscious.
00:22:16.000The state officials did not disclose a positive motive for the attack.
00:22:22.000Do you think it might have been terrorism?
00:22:23.000That was the narrative for the first couple of days.
00:22:25.000I thought, who are they talking to in France?
00:22:29.000They don't know if this was a terrorist event?
00:22:31.000I mean, are they getting their information from Inspector Clouseau?
00:22:35.000This is about as smoking gun as you get folks.
00:22:43.000that uh... was there one of the heroes said he had a klishnikov he had a magazine that was full my thought was okay probably i'm gonna die anyway but let's go i'd rather die being active they say uh... one of the airmen uh... the airman spencer stone with his arm in a sling recounted on sunday how he and two other americans tackled the gunman he says it seemed like he was ready to fight to the end but he said so were we
00:23:08.000He's hailed as not only being the first to grapple with the attacker, that is Stone, but also for helping to stop the bleeding of a French-American passenger that was wounded by a bullet.
00:23:16.000That's the one that I mentioned, where he stopped the bleeding.
00:23:47.000And you know, there are heroes who do the physical attacks, as I mentioned at the very beginning of the show, and then there are those who are the quiet heroes.
00:23:54.000People like our guest in the second hour, Thomas Drake.
00:23:58.000He is someone who did the hero's job, but did it in a way that is very difficult.
00:24:05.000So not to take anything away from the people who did this, who saved their lives, who saved others' lives, who risked their lives to do that.
00:24:12.000But we have to understand that Thomas Drake risked his life as well.
00:25:35.000They tried to put him in jail for 35 years.
00:25:38.000They came after him for mishandling of classified information.
00:25:43.000The documents that they accused him of mishandling were nonsense compared to what Hillary Clinton has.
00:25:48.000And for her, they look for every excuse they can not to prosecute her.
00:25:51.000We're going to talk to him about what he saw, what he blew the whistle on, what the dangers are to America, the different ways that those who run our dark and secret double government escape prosecution.
00:26:04.000We're also going to talk about the Espionage Act because I want to lay Some of the history down on this for you before he gets here.
00:26:12.000So he'll be free to give you his story without getting burdened down with the back story of what went on with the Espionage Act and what we have seen with that for a number of years.
00:27:40.000They use that to expand the government over and over again, whether it is the NSA and the Patriot Act or whether it is going to be The kind of movement controls that we're, I'm very concerned about in many different areas.
00:27:54.000I'm looking at what the government is planning in terms of controlling our movement, our transportation with autonomous cars, constantly tracking, constantly reporting our movement, able to shut down our movement if they wish.
00:28:07.000Do we really want to give them that capability at the border?
00:28:11.000Do we really want to throw fire on the fuel, on the fire of the TSA, telling them, yeah, you're the transportation authority.
00:28:25.000We need to understand that just like gun control, when there's a tragedy, the politicians will use that tragedy to try to push for gun control.
00:28:36.000In the same way, we see the Republicans using tragedies, violent crimes that are committed by illegal aliens, using that To push for more security theater.
00:28:49.000The wall will be absolute theater, but the high tech behind the population tracking will not be theater.
00:28:56.000We'll be right back with Alex Jones, Thomas Drake in the next hour.
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00:34:18.000The entire case folded the day before they went to court.
00:34:22.000They were scolded by the judge, and of course the person who was overseeing the prosecution was Lenny Breuer, the same guy who let HSBC and all the large banks walk, said they're too big to jail, essentially.
00:34:35.000Obama said, well, there were some laws that they didn't break.
00:34:39.000Yeah, there were some laws that they didn't break.
00:34:41.000That's not to say that they didn't break a whole lot of laws that they really should have gone to jail for.
00:34:46.000Someone should have gone to jail for it.
00:35:24.000He says, we have to look to the future.
00:35:25.000We have to offer ideas and move our country forward for the future.
00:35:27.000That's why it's important to have debates.
00:35:29.000But of course, you're not going to have any debates on the Democrat side as long as Hillary Clinton is a candidate.
00:35:34.000Everybody is going to be debating her history.
00:35:38.000There's a lot of history with Hillary Clinton.
00:35:39.000There's a lot of skeletons in her closet.
00:35:42.000But it is absolutely astonishing, astonishing to see how they are avoiding prosecution for Hillary Clinton for the very serious classified documents that she really did mishandle.
00:35:52.000For the obstruction of justice that she engaged in.
00:35:55.000And see how they came after they invented these charges and tried to send Thomas Drake to jail for decades because he had blown the whistle on corruption, on waste, and on criminal activity.
00:36:10.000He and William Binney and others were exposing the fact that our government Was engaged in massive surveillance that they had changed the rules after September 11th.
00:36:43.000David, I am standing here from an island off the coast of Toronto, Canada, looking at people having a great time, playing tennis, playing badminton, swimming in one of the major great lakes here, and it's so picturesque, and it just really makes me, at a very deep fundamental level, want to protect these people and to want to warn them about what's happening.
00:37:09.000It is the fact that people are so innocent, so nice, so friendly of every race, color, creed, nationality.
00:37:16.000They all just want to have good lives, healthy, happy children, contribute to the world.
00:37:22.000They want to help other people, are really, really good.
00:37:26.000And it's because people historically are so blind to the fact that true evil exists in the world, that it's able to grow and able to breed.
00:37:39.000And, you know, you're up here seeing this for yourself.
00:38:25.000I was going to be back today, but because of flights and issues and getting up here late, I am now coming back tomorrow.
00:38:34.000But I will be filing reports in the morning and live during the show tomorrow with David, actually from my Skype computer before the airport.
00:38:45.000So I will be co-hosting part of the show tomorrow.
00:38:47.000Just wanted to give folks an update on that.
00:38:49.000But what's amazing is when I walked down the street in Austin, Texas, again, this is just a gauge about how late the world is.
00:38:56.000As I've said hundreds of times, the average person who isn't well known in the liberty movement doesn't know that people all around the world don't have a way to have sonar or radar or recognition to map that.
00:39:33.000Yes, again, I am calling you via cell phone because I'm calling from this island.
00:39:37.000It's Toronto itself, not the city of Toronto.
00:39:44.000And so I've only got a few cell bars here.
00:39:47.000I'm not going to take up too much more time.
00:39:49.000I didn't promise to call in and report on the show today, so that's what I'm doing. - Right.
00:39:53.000Bottom line, just now, taking a few minutes off to swim in this great lake, I had no fewer than five people on the beach, probably 30 people, because it's not that busy.
00:40:20.000Other folks barely spoke English were like, Alex Jones, Alex Jones from China.
00:40:25.000I mean, this is what's really exciting is that the awakening is exponential and no matter where I go, Uh, we are running into people that are alike, whether it's Europe or whether it's Canada or whether it's Mexico or whether it's Honduras.
00:40:41.000People are awake, and of course there's so many other people waking folks up that have listeners and supporters.
00:42:11.000We want firewalls of nation-states against globalists.
00:42:14.000So a lot of positive things are happening, David, as you know, but also a lot of really negative things are happening.
00:42:20.000As this cascade of events races towards an even bigger event in the near future, George Soros and the White House have revealed that Hillary Clinton is involved with her senior staffers, as well as Nancy Pelosi staffers with Black Lives Matter, trying to stir everyone up and get everybody fighting with each other.
00:42:40.000It really is an amazing thing to see what's happening and all these different confluences of events.
00:42:46.000The stars aligned politically are coming up.
00:42:49.000And the good news is just take the abortion videos.
00:43:09.000We're being told that Snowden's window for a plea bargain deal is closing.
00:43:13.000Bloomberg reports a national security specialist saying Many people in government believe that journalists who receive Snowden's material are not capable of protecting it from a competent and committed state-level adversary.
00:43:25.000Even if Snowden did not give the material to others, they argue it would have been ripe for the picking.
00:43:30.000Well, isn't that true of Hillary's handling of emails?
00:43:32.000Didn't her violation of protocol expose above-top-secret data to state-level adversaries?
00:43:38.000Snowden exposed criminal actions of our government done in the name of national security.
00:43:44.000Hillary compromised national security for her own convenience or to cover up her misdeeds.
00:43:51.000If national security is more important than the Constitution, if national security is more important than our rights, why isn't Hillary being prosecuted?
00:44:00.000Why is Snowden called a traitor and Hillary Clinton is called presidential material?
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00:49:02.000And that serious things are about to break loose.
00:49:05.000The good, the bad, and the extremely, extremely ugly.
00:49:09.000And so now is the time to get our houses in order, to get right with God, to be thinking about what's happening, but to also kind of change the destiny of the world by taking action.
00:49:20.000God sets out a course and a general path and works through good people, the corrupt forces to the bad.
00:49:27.000But we decide much of what happens in our universe, in our world.
00:49:31.000And I'm glad I went on this trip because I would never watch a children's movie Like, Tomorrowland, especially because George Clooney's in it, even though I was in a movie he produced, Scattered Darkly, I figured it was all global warming propaganda because of the ads I'd seen.
00:49:49.000And I probably should have gone and seen it.
00:50:08.000It exposes, revelation of the method, a breakaway civilization that has culled the greatest minds of children since the 1940s into a breakaway program 100 times bigger than the Manhattan Project that is operating outside of the general public's knowledge on government reservations.
00:50:29.000And they've decided to go ahead and not Uh, give people the advanced technology.
00:50:35.000They decided to keep the life extension and everything else for themselves.
00:50:39.000And in the process of that, uh, because of the brain drain from the planet, uh, into the elite.
00:50:46.000The world is about to basically destroy itself with nuclear war, with the computer probabilities.
00:50:51.000But then, they basically are able to take out the bad guys, the elite, that want to hoard all the power for themselves, and are able to reverse the probability of humans destroying themselves.
00:51:30.000But it's also the elite saying that they were basically wrong and that they don't want to kill everybody.
00:51:35.000It's kind of like the last Superman movie was the same story about eugenics.
00:51:39.000So are they conditioning us so we're subconsciously ready to accept it?
00:51:43.000Or are people rebelling within the system and putting films out like this?
00:51:50.000The only bad thing is it puts out a very truthful message so that you subconsciously take it in.
00:51:55.000People already know subconsciously about the breakaway civilization.
00:51:58.000The problem is that it then puts the lie of global warming at the heart of it and the way to save the Earth.
00:52:06.000So, very, very sophisticated propaganda.
00:52:08.000I'm going to have to really watch it again and come to my final judgment.
00:52:13.000But it is extremely heavy and Uh, is about human empowerment, the final equation.
00:52:20.000I think that's why the film probably didn't do too well.
00:52:22.000Uh, and a lot of folks didn't really understand it, uh, because it's, uh, dealing with some things, uh, that are so real world, it would make your head spin.
00:54:13.000If you're on a plane and you're rude to some guy, he'll threaten to kick your butt.
00:54:16.000I mean, people where I've grown up and all over the country, you mess with them, they'll fight you after what color they are and where they're from.
00:54:24.000I just fundamentally don't believe 9-11 because of things like that, but also the FBI admitted that none of the high-altitude phone calls were really made.
00:54:33.000The only real ones were from air phones, and both stewardesses plotted them and said there was gas, smoke, they couldn't breathe.
00:55:07.000He was the only whistleblower from the NSA to have the Justice Department try to put him in jail.
00:55:14.000Of course, it was Lanny Breuer, the guy who said the banks who were laundering money were too big to jail, but they came after him for the same things that Hillary Clinton has been doing.
00:55:23.000They allege that he mishandled classified documents.
00:55:26.000He really didn't, but she really is, and they're doing everything to avoid going after her.
00:56:12.000Again, that's Alex Jones reporting from Toronto and he'll be joining us tomorrow on the radio program as well.
00:56:18.000As we pointed out in the next hour, Thomas Drake is going to be with us talking about his experiences, what he saw at the NSA, why we should be concerned about the encroachment on our freedoms, the destruction of the Constitution.
00:56:31.000He had this to say when he got an award from the Sam Adams, Associates for Integrity Intelligence, he quoted from Frederick Douglass in part of Frederick Douglass' 1857 speech and basically paraphrased it with some references.
00:56:46.000He said, power and those in control concede nothing without a demand.
00:57:13.000They tried to lock him up for the rest of his natural life.
00:57:16.000This is a man who is every bit as much a hero as the people who charged the gunman in that train this weekend.
00:57:22.000We're going to talk to him in the next hour.
00:57:24.000In the next segment, we're going to lay some background of the Espionage Act, because he's one of the few people who have been charged with that.
00:57:31.000Most of those people who have been charged with the Espionage Act have been charged by the Obama administration.
00:57:36.000More people than all the previous 100 years of presidents combined.
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01:00:12.000From his Central Texas Command Center, deep behind enemy lines, the information war continues.
01:00:18.000It's Alex Jones and the GCN Radio Network.
01:00:29.000Joining us in the next segment is Thomas Drake, NSA whistleblower.
01:00:33.000He is the fourth person to have been charged under the 1917 Espionage Act.
01:00:40.000This is something that, as Bloomberg points out, since 2009, President Obama has charged nine people under the 1917 Espionage Act with passing classified information to media outlets.
01:00:54.000This is something that was never done before.
01:00:57.000There were only two people prior to that.
01:01:00.000The first person to be charged in that way, of course, is Daniel Ellsberg with the Pentagon Papers.
01:01:04.000The Nixon administration went after him.
01:01:07.000When this was passed in 1917, Woodrow Wilson said this was going to go after naturalized citizens.
01:01:13.000In other words, this is not for you, Americans.
01:01:17.000We're going to get involved in foreign wars for the first time, and we're going to pass all kinds of censorship rules, but this is not for you.
01:01:24.000This is for naturalized citizens, he said, who have poured the poison of disloyalty into the very arteries of our national life.
01:01:30.000But of course, that's not the way it's being used now.
01:01:33.000It was rarely used to go after alleged leakers of classified information until 1973, when they went after Daniel Ellsberg.
01:01:40.000Prior to that, they had, in the war, in the time after World War I, they had gone after people who had passed information to foreign powers, people who were spies.
01:01:53.000In 1917, however, it was a little bit different.
01:01:56.000Shortly after they passed this Espionage Act, they used it against Eugene Debs.
01:02:00.000He was the person who was a five-time presidential candidate for the Socialist Party.
01:03:17.000But in 1917, Woodrow Wilson was trying to convince the American people to break with a long-standing American tradition of avoiding foreign entanglements.
01:03:27.000So he was very sensitive to anything that would undermine what he perceived to be the rah-rah patriotism of the war.
01:03:34.000This film, Spirit of 76, premiered in Chicago in May of 1917, just one month after the U.S.
01:03:42.000entered World War I on the side of Britain.
01:03:45.000The head of the Chicago Police Censorship Board, and get this guy's name, Metallus Lucullus Cicero Funkhauser, but more importantly, the fact that there's a Chicago Police Censorship Board, They confiscated the film at the behest of the Justice Department, on grounds that it generated hostility towards Britain, who were our allies at the time.
01:04:05.000Goldstein trimmed the offending scenes, and he received federal approval to continue the Chicago run.
01:04:10.000And the offending scenes were things showing British soldiers bayoneting babies.
01:04:15.000Things that were largely fictional, although there were a couple of real massacres that were depicted in the film.
01:04:20.000Nevertheless, it was over-the-top fiction in the film.
01:04:24.000And Woodrow Wilson thought that it would turn people against our British allies.
01:04:27.000So he excised that in Chicago, but when they premiered the film in L.A.
01:04:32.000a few months later, the deleted scenes were then restored.
01:04:35.000After an investigation, the government concluded that Goldstein's actions constituted, quote, abating and abetting the German army.
01:04:42.000They sentenced him to 10 years in jail, a $5,000 fine.
01:04:47.000Understand, that'd be about a half a million dollars today.
01:04:50.000And he couldn't claim the First Amendment because the Supreme Court had ruled in 1915 that movies didn't fall under First Amendment protection.
01:05:00.000Another illustration of how we cannot trust the Supreme Court, to be honest, about the Constitution.
01:05:06.000But Thomas Drake is honest about the Constitution.
01:05:08.000He'll be joining us right after the break.
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01:06:33.000Joining us now is Thomas Drake, one of the NSA whistleblowers that went public about the Dragnet surveillance and the way that the NSA was ignoring the law, ignoring the Constitution after September 11th.
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01:08:01.000When Drake saw mass waste and abuse and billions of dollars being spent on Operation Stellar Wind, he took his concerns to superiors in the NSA.
01:08:12.000He was stonewalled by his superiors in the NSA.
01:08:15.000Nothing happened with the congressional reviews.
01:08:17.000After a while, he thought that the public had a right to know, so he took this to A Baltimore Sun reporter, he made legal disclosures of unclassified information.
01:08:27.000She wrote a series of award-winning articles that exposed the billion-dollar boondoggle at the NSA.
01:08:37.000Drake was ratcheted up to the maximum criminal prosecution they could get under the Espionage Act.
01:08:44.000In 1917, the government conducted an armed raid of his home.
01:08:46.000They interrogated him for hours, confiscated his personal notes and computers, threatened him with spending the rest of his natural life behind bars.
01:08:54.000They charged him, of course, with retention of classified material, not disclosure, not passing it to someone else.
01:09:01.000So we're going to talk to him about the parallels and what they accused him of, and what it appears that Hillary Clinton has done.
01:09:10.000But before we do that, welcome Mr. Drake.
01:09:20.000Someone who put their life on the line because you understood really what was at stake.
01:09:26.000You've, for many years, you watched the Stasi operating in East Germany just like William Binney did.
01:09:32.000You were very concerned about where we're headed.
01:09:35.000I look at this and there's so many Americans don't really see the danger in what is going on and how we're slipping into this dark surveillance state.
01:09:44.000What can you tell us about what you saw with the East Germans, with Stasi and State and what you're concerned about happening here in America?
01:10:14.000It kept enormous records on essentially the entire population as well as many other people outside of East Germany.
01:10:22.000I didn't spend all those years listening in on the communications of East Germany without it affecting me in terms of what it meant for history.
01:10:30.000And I just never imagined that I'd find myself, you know, shortly after 9-11, essentially discovering that the United States had sort of borrowed the playbook, as it were, from the Stasi, and under the cover of 9-11, which was, you know, an enormous failure, although some would say it was, you know, never let a crisis go to waste, in the infamous words of Rahm Emanuel, former Chief of Staff for Obama.
01:11:13.000And when you're staring into Pandora's Box, the deep abyss stares back at you.
01:11:18.000And you have that choice, your own moral agency as to what you do.
01:11:22.000You could attempt to close the box and the lid on the box and act as if nothing happened, or do you actually take action?
01:11:30.000And I had taken an oath for the fourth time to support and defend the Constitution, you know, a piece of paper, but it's the fundamental principles in terms of how we govern ourselves.
01:11:41.000And I would not break faith with that oath.
01:12:47.000They really do, and if you don't, guess what?
01:12:49.000Don't be surprised at others who are more than willing to abscond with power, and then end up having power over you.
01:12:57.000History's not kind when it comes to power exercised abusively over others.
01:13:03.000We've just seen way too much in human history.
01:13:07.000It's sometimes challenging even for me even today not to get too cynical about all this.
01:13:12.000On the other hand, you know, that arc of history does bend toward justice and though it may be uneven and it may divert and may take tangents of time, it does bend.
01:13:23.000I mean, that was a moment of truth for me, frankly, and it's what I've shared.
01:13:27.000I realize I serve as inspiration for others.
01:13:29.000I realize I was able to hold off the government.
01:13:32.000You know, realize I did not end up in prison for all that they attempted to do with me over a number of years, to punish me so severely for literally speaking truth to power.
01:13:41.000So, but those are choices that are made.
01:13:44.000And, you know, I'm standing up in the public interest and for history.
01:13:49.000You know, you're an eyewitness to secret history, recognizing those choices that were made by the highest levels of our government, up to and including the White House, would have enormous downstream strategic consequences.
01:14:00.000You know, when I look at you and I look at the other whistleblowers like Jocelyn Riddick, who was a whistleblower herself and wound up defending you and others, John Kiriakou, William Binney, I haven't had the pleasure of talking to Jocelyn Riddick or John Kiriakou, but I have had the pleasure of talking to William Binney.
01:14:17.000And I think many of us on the outside, when we look at these, the dragnet surveillance of the NSA, when we look at their retaliation against you and the fact that they never do anything to come after the people who are committing the crimes, and the crimes are exposed by whistleblowers like you.
01:15:02.000It was a document asking, are you the Socrates of the National Security Agency?
01:15:07.000I don't know if you saw this article or not, but it was something that they had floated around internally.
01:15:13.000We wanted people to look at this and to make a case for mass surveillance, for the government watching everyone.
01:15:20.000And this individual, it reminded me of the Stasi situation in East Germany, where everybody was spying on everyone else.
01:15:29.000Everyone was paranoid and concerned that we're being watched.
01:15:33.000And one of the things that he says, one of the many thoughts that continually went through my mind, and this is an NSA employee, was that if I had to reveal part of my personal life to my employer, I'd really rather reveal it all because partial revelation might lead to misunderstanding.
01:15:46.000And so he says he embraced total surveillance of him because he thought it would exonerate him.
01:15:54.000That's an amazing, I want to get your reaction to that, because it sounds to me like Norman Bates in the basement of the police station after they caught him.
01:16:04.000Stay with us, we'll be right back with Thomas Drake and S.A.
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01:20:41.000I'm David Knight and we have with us Thomas Drake.
01:20:44.000And as a whistleblower, I want to go through the chronology of what happened with him as he was one of the few people in our country to be charged under the Espionage Act for allegedly mishandling classified information.
01:20:56.000Something that Hillary Clinton is notably not being charged for.
01:21:02.000But before we do, I wanted to ask Mr. Drake, Mr. Drake, I came across these things we were talking about before we went to the break.
01:21:08.000This is a document that came out of the Snowden leaks, reported in the Intercept, and I want to read you this quote of what this NSA employee said.
01:21:17.000He said he was concerned that if people knew only a few things about him, he might seem suspicious.
01:21:22.000But if people knew everything about him, they would see that they had nothing to fear from him.
01:21:28.000He said, this is the attitude I have brought to SIGINT work since then.
01:21:32.000I mean, I look at that and is that the attitude you saw in East Germany under the Stasi?
01:21:40.000Is that a mindset that you saw at the NSA?
01:21:44.000Well, it's certainly those, you know, that serve the secrecy system, the secrecy regime.
01:21:49.000I mean, this is where national security, as I call it, the state religion.
01:22:40.000And that's the attitude we see from this guy inside the NSA.
01:22:42.000And that's the attitude of people like Chris Christie and those who prosecute this dragnet surveillance, isn't it?
01:22:47.000That's why this has far less to do with terrorism, which has been the cover in color for all of this as the excuse, and it's far more about social control.
01:22:57.000Ultimately, mass surveillance is about social control.
01:23:20.000You've had an intelligence background within the Air Force.
01:23:24.000You've also worked with them off and on.
01:23:26.000But you began work, your actual first day that you report is September 11th, 2001, as that is all happening.
01:23:33.000Tell us what you were brought in to do and what you saw there.
01:23:37.000Well, in some ways, I was, you know, an accidental hire.
01:23:42.000However, the Congress in particular, the key stakeholder overseeing NSA, had grown very, very concerned over the intervening years, particularly in the post-Cold War era, about NSA's viability, its ability to remain relevant.
01:23:55.000And it was increasingly having difficulty keeping up with the challenges of the digital age and Internet.
01:24:00.000And so they put a lot of pressure on NSA, and NSA very reluctantly and digging in their heels, went ahead and decided to hire people from the outside.
01:24:13.000And that's meaning people that were not brought up there, were not promoted to the senior ranks from inside their own system.
01:24:21.000And I was one of about a dozen people that were hired in over about a six month or so period just prior to 9-11.
01:24:28.000And I was hired in as a Senior Change Leader.
01:24:46.000And I was to get to know the ropes, follow the Signals Intelligence Director around, make recommendations, help NSA.
01:24:56.000Moving into the 21st century, there have been a number of failures, there have been a number of studies that they were falling behind and increasingly the choices they were making was to simply Mary themselves to the military industrial complex and spend billions and billions of dollars to buy the solution instead of taking the very best of American ingenuity innovation of necessity being the mother of invention.
01:25:23.000Very, very low cost programs that has super high impact and put that very best into the fight.
01:25:29.000And, of course, that low-cost, very effective program was the one that William Binney had done called Thin Thread that essentially didn't make the haystack bigger so it was harder to find the needles.
01:25:39.000It actually helped you to find the needles, but they passed that over for a program that was done outside, and that was Michael Hazen's decision.
01:26:45.000This is something Eisenhower, interesting enough, actually warned the nation about during his farewell address, which was largely ignored at the time, but it's become one of those points in history in terms of a warning to the nation, because he realized that what he had unleashed from the 50s would probably have Negative consequences going forward that in essence you would be beholden to secret power and vast amounts of money to be operating not in the public interest but operating in its own political and self-interest.
01:27:15.000I mean, this is one of the simple things that I tell people.
01:27:18.000You have to remember, this kind of power, especially secret power, especially power involving military, especially power involving intelligence, intelligence itself, you know, information is power.
01:27:27.000And when you can control that, when you can make money off it, when you can sell it with yourself and to others, well, then you, you know, it's very, it's very heady.
01:27:36.000And so you want to protect that power.
01:27:38.000Not too many people can come around that without being corrupted and sucked into that.
01:27:43.000That's why we... Well, that's where Lord Acton, you know, power does tend to corrupt.
01:27:50.000Okay, so I want to talk a little bit about, I want to talk about 9-11, but before we do, I want to finish this chronology.
01:27:56.000When you're there, Key things, then, that you're blowing the whistle about, eventually, are this massive, wasteful program that is also ineffective.
01:28:04.000I guess when we look at this, when we talk about a lot of medical issues, we always look about safety and efficacy, right?
01:28:25.000And so you were showing that this was, you were concerned that it was violating the Constitution, that it was ineffective, that it was a massive boondoggle.
01:28:41.000I was actually blowing the whistle with my immediate supervisor, the number three person, the state's intelligence director, within just weeks of 9-11.
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01:34:09.000Mr. Drake, talk to us about how things had changed with the FISA court, for example.
01:34:17.000Well that was just one of a number of secret orders that were issued from the White House as well as the other command authorities underneath the White House and the executive branch of the government.
01:34:29.000I don't think people yet fully appreciate precisely what 9-11 triggered.
01:34:33.000I said that for all intents and purposes 9-11 was the trigger in which the government in secret suspended the Constitution and we've been operating under emergency powers ever since.
01:34:45.000Every time I say that, people just stare at me.
01:34:48.000Most people still stare at me in disbelief.
01:34:50.000They just can't imagine that happened.
01:34:51.000But that's effectively what did happen.
01:34:54.000And that's precisely what I confronted.
01:34:56.000One of the things they just tossed overboard and threw aside was the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, the secret court.
01:35:05.000That was actually created in 1978 because, under the Carter administration, because of severe abuses of executive power against Americans in violation of the Constitution in the previous decades.
01:35:16.000And of course, you and I are about the same age.
01:35:19.000We grew up watching the situation with Richard Nixon.
01:35:22.000We grew up watching the Church Committee hearings, the Pike Committee hearings, brought to the public's attention for the first time, even the existence of the NSA.
01:35:28.000They've been secretly created by an executive order by President Truman.
01:35:33.000And when Pike asked the NSA director to show the charter that was created by executive order, he refused!
01:36:24.000That's why for me, I grew up as a very young teenager during the 70s, and I remember all of those abuses of power unfolding.
01:36:31.000People forget that the articles of impeachment that were actually formulated in the House of Representatives against President Nixon included using instruments of national power against the American public in violation of the Constitution.
01:36:48.000And we ultimately had a president resigning his office.
01:36:53.000Of course, Nixon later said, as you may recall, During the interviews, the Frost interviews, that if the president says it's not legal, then it's legal.
01:37:06.000I mean, if he says it's okay, it's legal.
01:37:08.000Yeah, and along those lines, I want to play this clip for you and get your reactions.
01:37:12.000Again, we've had Michael Hayden bragging about what he did in the aftermath of this.
01:37:16.000This is a clip from Washington and Lee University.
01:37:19.000And of course, we've had a lot of discussions about Section 215 of the Patriot Act.
01:37:23.000They claim that that authorized them to retain all this information from Americans to do dragnet surveillance.
01:37:29.000The question being, of course, the Patriot Act, does it itself obviously violates our rights under the Constitution.
01:37:37.000But this is what Michael Hayden had to say about Section 215.
01:37:59.000Every time I look at that clip, the arrogance of Michael Hayden saying, ah, 215, that was a safe haven, that was done by the Congress, of course, in violation of the Constitution.
01:38:09.000Then he says, I had orders from the President.
01:38:12.000What do we call a system of government where one person makes all the orders, Mr. Drake?
01:38:19.000Yeah, it comes under different names, but tyranny, totalitarianism, when you combine it, what people don't fully appreciate yet is extraordinary partnerships that NSA engaged in, had even before 9-11, with a number of telcos and other information technology companies, but particularly the telephone companies.
01:38:40.000They've had those partnerships for a long, long time.
01:38:41.000Those are greatly expanded after 9-11.
01:38:47.000I mean, he's actually chortling about the powers that he had before things had to be put back into the box once they started being exposed in the press.
01:38:59.000Raw executive authority is not the form of government, I took an oath to support and defend.
01:39:04.000In fact, that's an alien form of government that is a direct threat to our republic.
01:39:09.000And you can see how much he loves that power in that clip and the other times where he's bragged about this.
01:39:29.000Well, the final report, that had to do with the thin thread and trailblazer requirements.
01:39:34.000And, you know, it was a secret report.
01:39:37.000There never was a public version made until shortly after the conclusion of my criminal case, many, many years later.
01:39:45.000That report made it clear that Trailblazers was an utter failure and many billions and billions have been spent.
01:39:53.000But that was just one of the channels where I blew the whistle.
01:39:57.000I also was a material witness and whistleblower for two 9-11 congressional investigations.
01:40:01.000But all of my material evidence, all of the depositions, the oral testimony, all of it was censored and suppressed.
01:40:11.000In fact, as I found out later, The only record that exists that anybody can find to date, and we're talking over 13 years later, is that I was interviewed.
01:40:21.000All the actual evidence apparently is buried.
01:41:17.000So obviously someone like me getting in the way, standing up, is going to be a marked person.
01:41:22.000And I was targeted very early on as a troublemaker.
01:41:26.000I was targeted very early on as a threat to the orders that were being handed down.
01:41:30.000And of course they kept this very secret.
01:41:33.000The vast majority of NSA did not know That there was this whole other program in which they had literally turned the United States of America into the equivalent of a foreign nation for vast, dragnet electronic surveillance on an extraordinary scale, a scale that has still not been fully revealed to this day, in spite of even the Snowden disclosures, in spite of the disclosures that I made, in spite of the disclosures that others made, although more information has been coming out.
01:41:58.000And of course, that's one of the things that scares us so much is the idea that they're at war with the entire world, including American territory, when we look at the indefinite detention without trial by the US military.
01:42:09.000As you pointed out, of course, the NSA began and continues as a military intelligence organization.
01:42:16.000Those are the things that keep us awake at night if we actually look into this abyss.
01:42:21.000And I want to talk to you, too, about geospatial intelligence and some of those aspects of tracking our activity, looking at our metadata, what the consequences of that are.
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01:47:12.000You're listening to The Alex Jones Show.
01:47:49.000We're going through the chronology of what happened to him, and we're about at the point Where they come after him and allege that he mishandled classified documents.
01:48:00.000Amazing parallels to what's going on with Hillary Clinton.
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01:48:06.000We're going to go right back to Mr. Drake in just a moment.
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01:49:27.000Yeah, I actually contacted a reporter for the first time in late February of 2006, anonymously.
01:49:33.000I was well aware of the surveillance system.
01:49:36.000And it was clear that when the James Risen, Eric Lichtblau article was published in December 2005 in the New York Times, revealing for the first time publicly the existence of the so-called warrantless wiretapping program, that people like myself would no doubt become targets if they launched an investigation.
01:49:56.000Long story short, myself and my colleagues and others became targets.
01:50:01.000Because we were some of the few people that actually knew about the stellar wind or what came under the President's surveillance program that had been operating in the deepest of secrecy since shortly after 9-11.
01:50:13.000Long story short, I was put under extraordinary surveillance, physical and electronic, and my colleagues were raided unceremoniously and searched in July, and then four months later I was getting ready to go down to the National Defense University where I was teaching.
01:50:29.000And I looked out my window and there's a dozen FBI agents streaming across the front lawn and that's when the nightmare began.
01:50:38.000And you know, even though this has been released by the whistleblowers after your prosecution, As late as 2013, we had James Clapper still lying publicly to Congress when Ron Wyden asked him about this dragnet surveillance.
01:51:44.000I mean, this is the kind of management development stuff that you have to set through in some of these corporations, you know, as part of a requirement.
01:51:53.000This is not anything that is even serious.
01:51:56.000It was all a framed job because they wanted to burn somebody.
01:51:59.000I know from inside sources Cheney had sent out the edict, fried, you know, find and fry somebody, make an example of them, burn them.
01:52:07.000And I was, they actually thought that I was a ringleader for disclosing the secret surveillance programs, the program they wanted to keep way off the radar.
01:52:17.000The last thing they wanted people to know was the public.
01:52:21.000And so they came after me with everything they had.
01:52:24.000And ironically enough, it's the very documents that in whole or in part I had given to government investigators looking at ThinThread, Trailblazer, and 9-11 intelligence.
01:52:38.000And so ultimately, you know, they took them.
01:52:41.000They forced, you know, forced classification review, decided they were super top secret, that many of them would cause exceptionally grave damage to the United States of America, the South Security United States, if it was disclosed.
01:52:53.000And then it took them from November 2007 all the way until April of 2010, now under Obama, not under Bush, but under Obama, to find a way to indict me.
01:53:06.000And they indicted me under the 1917 World War I Air Espionage Act.
01:53:11.000And that's, of course, been a favorite of the Obama administration.
01:53:14.000He's indicted more people under that act than all the previous presidents for the past hundred years combined.
01:53:20.000Lanny Breuer was the one who oversaw your prosecution.
01:53:23.000Of course, he was the one who let the banks, who were doing money laundering for drug cartels and terrorists, he let them go saying they were too big to jail.
01:53:30.000How do you feel about the parallels between your case and what's going on with Hillary Clinton?
01:54:15.000Threats to public safety or health, fraud, waste, abuse, violations of law.
01:54:19.000So, whistleblowing in this case, criminalized because you're revealing government misconduct and wrongdoing and violations of law, including violations of the Constitution.
01:54:29.000But hey, you get to play with the information and send it to your buds and use it for political purposes.
01:54:36.000And of course, what Hillary Clinton did, William Leonard, his former director of the Information Security Oversight Office, that's the people who do the classification stuff, he said that the stuff that you had should have never been classified.
01:54:47.000I mean, there's the things like we mentioned before.
01:54:51.000On the other hand, Hillary Clinton has got intel from foreign leaders.
01:54:56.000Conversations she had with them were intercepted intelligence that the NSA got.
01:55:00.000That's the kind of stuff that she has.
01:55:02.000And the same man who said that your stuff never should have been classified, that they tried to hang you on, William Leonard, said that there's a lot of stuff that Hillary Clinton had that is born classified.
01:55:12.000Whether it was marked that way or when she put it on her computer or whether that was done later.
01:55:18.000No, I mean, again, this is why it's so surreal.
01:55:21.000We're talking about operational intelligence, we're talking about conduct of foreign affairs, very high-level diplomacy.
01:55:29.000You're talking about other channels of information that are extraordinarily sensitive.
01:55:33.000We've only got about... And here she is on a private server, and apparently it turns out there's a lot of people that she was communicating with via that means.
01:55:42.000And so I think, yeah, there is certainly a security violation in her case.
01:55:45.000It certainly was retaliation in yours.
01:55:48.000Now, we only got a couple of minutes left, and I really wanted to get to this earlier.
01:55:52.000On 9-11, you pointed out that you saw that there was intelligence that the FBI, the CIA, the NSA had information that they could have stopped this beforehand.
01:56:03.000Well, in summary, there was critical intelligence that was never shared properly, never acted upon, in some cases deliberately so, that could have stopped 9-11 dead in its tracks.
01:56:17.000That doesn't count a lot of the other failures or cover up of information that should have made it for action.
01:56:25.000I mean, look, the government is supposed to survive for the common defense and it utterly failed.
01:56:30.000You know, the entire system was designed after World War II, we would never be surprised again, you know, the quote unquote, never would you again have an electronic Pearl Harbor.
01:56:39.000And yet it's clear that it was also used, you know, there was the Cheney and company were looking for an excuse.
01:56:46.000I mean, I'm aware of a lot of the theories about 9-11.
01:56:49.000I'm just saying when I was at NSA, you can imagine the shock of discovering critical intelligence reports that had enfolded the entire al-Qaeda network, which I shared with all the investigators, by the way, at the time that I had it, when in fact if they had been shared it properly, when in fact if they had been shared it properly, it could have stopped 9-11.