Alex hosts a Sunday evening version of the show with special guests Ali Alexander, Eddie Bravo, Harrison Smith, and Eddie Bravo cohosting the show. We discuss the dangers of Big Brother and the deep state's attempt to silence all forms of free speech. We also discuss the upcoming "Kangaroo Court" in Austin, TX, and the "Sandy Hook" trial.
00:00:47.000But the planet's really aligned with political crossover in the populist free speech sphere.
00:00:57.000On Saturday, I was interviewed by Steve Bannon, who was very, very gracious, and I think did a great job, brought up a lot of really important points, basically a full endorsement of InfoWars, and some pretty amazing statements.
00:01:10.000We're going to be airing a large part of that hour-long interview in this hour.
00:01:16.000And then, in the second hour, it was on Rockfin at the Alex's War premiere with Glenn Greenwald, Alex Moyer, and myself.
00:01:39.000And we're also on the eve of this kangaroo court trial, one of three that starts in Austin tomorrow.
00:01:47.000The Democratic Party and their anti-gun movement using the Sandy Hook folks as their foil.
00:01:54.000and their admitted plan to try to bankrupt us and silence us and take us off the air and then use that model
00:02:00.000to ban everybody else's speech. We're on the eve of that unfolding and just to be there
00:02:07.000and to be talking about the attack on free speech not just here but worldwide and then to see
00:02:12.000the deep state's activities against me.
00:02:16.000It doesn't make me mad that they're doing this to me.
00:02:19.000I know it's designed for everybody else, and they admit it is.
00:02:22.000And just to see the media and the judges and the system working in concert to say, you can't talk about the First Amendment, you're already guilty when we have this trial, you can't say you're innocent.
00:02:33.000Well, I mean, a guy found with dead bodies can say he's innocent.
00:02:35.000You will not tell the jury you're innocent.
00:03:17.000Corporations ganging up and taking folks out of the market.
00:03:21.000Then you're put in ghettos, then you don't get trials, or you don't get fair trials, then you don't get trials.
00:03:25.000I mean, this is real bonafide tyranny.
00:03:28.000The stuff you read about in history books, you just get angry hearing about corrupt government like this, and then you see it, and it's weird, laughing, smiling, leptist, almost all of them women.
00:03:38.000It's like, oh, they're women, so they get to violate everybody's rights.
00:03:43.000Oh, you're a convicted pedophile, but you dress up like a woman, so you can come into the public school and have five-year-olds sit in your lap.
00:03:50.000I mean, just unbelievable to have a bird's eye view, a 35,000 view, but also a point-blank range view.
00:03:58.000of this, it's insane. We also have massive new lockdown news, massive carbon tax news,
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00:05:28.000That is a foregone conclusion that your brain will be transplanted in a machine, and copies of it will be distributed out, and death will be conquered.
00:05:36.000They want a transhumanist new dark age for the rest of us, turning off our resources in a post-industrial world, while in high-tech reservations, the new class system, they have the advanced tech, which people beg for like a slave-mad iPad, like a slave-created iPad.
00:05:52.000Made at slave factories with suicide nets, then they give it to the so-called upper class.
00:05:56.000And Google believes that the first artificial intelligence will be a supercomputer based on the neuron activities of the hive mind of humanity.
00:06:06.000And so then it's the end of consciousness and free will for individuals as we know.
00:06:11.000and a true 2.0 in a very bad way, hive mind consciousness with an AI jacked into everyone
00:06:17.000knowing our hopes and dreams because we were already wired in and absorbed before we knew
00:06:21.000it by giving over our consciousness to this system by our daily decisions that it was
00:06:25.000able to manipulate and control into a larger system.
00:06:28.000The ultimate racism, the ultimate anti-human, globalist eugenics movement that says humanity
00:06:33.000has failed and over and that machines are going to override us and the elite are going
00:06:38.000to merge with silicon and that to do that they must first shed themselves of us, the
00:06:53.000I declare This July 4th, 2022, there'll be a Declaration of Independence against the alien force on this planet today, waging war against humans and our biology and our very future that is attempting to exterminate the majority of us and force the minority that's left to merge with AI computers and become cyborg slaves of Satan.
00:07:19.000Okay, we're going to have the great Alex Jones on here momentarily, but we want to take a little different cut on this.
00:07:43.000But there's also, as importantly, I actually think I think for many reasons, maybe even more importantly, there's a major new book coming out by the guys over at Skyhorse, Tony Lyons and team, by Alex Jones called The Great Reset and the War for the World, which is a incredible document.
00:08:03.000The reason I want to start, I want to bring in Joe Allen.
00:08:05.000We're doing a short tribute to Alex Jones because here's the thing.
00:08:58.000You know, as we've discussed before, Alex Jones was raising the alarm on transhumanism long before anybody was paying attention or would touch it.
00:09:06.000I mean, yeah, he has a reputation for throwing wild haymakers, but when those haymakers connect, they definitely crack skulls.
00:09:14.000And I think that people like him, whose antennas are out, who are very sensitive to danger, when he starts screaming about something, I think you should really stop and pay attention.
00:09:25.000I mean, there really aren't many topics more terrifying than transhumanism.
00:09:31.000Most people try to ignore it, mainly because of its utter horror.
00:09:35.000You're talking about merging human beings with machines.
00:09:39.000You're talking about genetic engineering and human-monkey chimeras.
00:09:43.000Brain enhancement chemicals and robots and brain implants and superhuman artificial intelligence.
00:09:49.000And I would say that Alex Jones, especially in regard to Ray Kurzweil, has been pointing out all of those things as they develop.
00:09:57.000So we may differ on the theory of the case, but he has presented tons of valid evidence and facts that I think have been really, really important to raising consciousness to what the sort of technocratic global elite Really want to do again if you go back doesn't matter if you go back if you go back if you go back and look at the signal commercial show and not the know if you look at the signal and you compare that to PBS and NPR and BBC let's go to the super high elite
00:10:29.000of reporting and you compare what they've put out over the last decade or so about this topic,
00:10:35.000which I keep saying and the reason we got Joe Allen on here full time is probably at the end
00:10:39.000of the day the most important part and this is what the brilliance of his new book, The Great
00:10:44.000Reset, Alex Jones cuts to the heart of the matter. If you compare the finest and I'll tell you,
00:10:52.000you take MIT technology review, you take science, take all these magazines and journals,
00:10:57.000add the electronic part of it and you know NPR, PBS, all of it.
00:11:02.000I'll take, I'll match up and we'll go through and we'll do what Alex Jones put out there versus what your collective body has put out there.
00:11:10.000And if you're a sentient human being and just watching it, you say, well, God, Alex Jones was ahead of this.
00:11:14.000Not only that, he kind of explained it.
00:11:16.000Maybe all the pieces didn't fit together.
00:11:18.000The other stuff is just standard stock and leaves you with nothing.
00:11:27.000Last year we called NPR the whores of the techno-apocalypse, and I think that still stands, and it definitely stands for the Guardian, who are basically promoting it and kind of soft-peddling the implications of it.
00:11:39.000CNN, anytime they touch anything like this, they just make it sound like cool new technology that you should look forward to.
00:11:45.000Yeah, Alex Jones is saying, pay attention and be afraid, and I think that he's done a tremendous service in that regard.
00:14:24.000He says he's going to come on my show soon.
00:14:25.000He was, of course, just recently falsely convicted of not testifying to Congress because he had the presidential discretion not to do that.
00:15:17.000Other documentary offers because it's the establishment they always lie, but I've seen some of her films and knew that it was independent and it shows me in a bad light and a good light because I mean I'm a real person just like you, but it's hard to come on here Steve because I've admired you and you were the brain behind a lot of what Trump was able to do and you've had the most courage of anybody out there standing up to the January 6th fraud and really Bringing America back.
00:15:42.000So it's hard to come on your show and then talk about myself here.
00:15:46.000It's surreal with what you did not backing down of the committee and their kangaroo court and how they wouldn't let you cross-examine people.
00:15:57.000I'm facing three rigged lawsuits run by Democrats.
00:16:00.000Same ones in Travis County that indicted Rick Perry and Tom DeLay.
00:16:04.000I'm not allowed to say I'm innocent at my trial next week that starts.
00:17:23.000Yeah, but listen, here's why I think it's so important, because your trial's coming up, and look, you're a fighter and they're obviously trying to take you down.
00:17:31.000The point I don't think people get about you, we do at The War Room, and I personally do because I followed you for years, is that you're not just a man of action.
00:17:40.000The guy that they see on that show every night, the guy they see out at the Bullhorn, the guy that's taking leadership and saying, hey, I'm in the first tank and we'll drive this.
00:17:49.000As much and as important as that leadership is, The true thing that you've done, which is stunning, if you look at the evidence of that and the facts, you are one of the great thinkers of this.
00:18:28.000But this book, The Great Reset and The War for the World, I'm telling you, everybody in America, the people that hate Alex Jones the most have to read this book.
00:21:28.000This book, The Great Reset and The War for the World, is the left and the mainstream media are going to have to sit there and we've got to force them to respond to this book.
00:21:44.000As busy as you are doing as many hours a day and all the other things you do are getting out there and leading from the front tank and going to rallies and doing all that.
00:21:51.000I don't honestly understand humanly how you pulled this together.
00:21:55.000I want you to make the case that you make in this book, The Great Reset, 'cause you take three authors,
00:22:02.000essentially, and you tie together these three books to make the case of showing data and evidence
00:23:14.000He has a giant show and a lot of courage, and is now about to be a political prisoner, like so many of us as we go into this dark night of tyranny.
00:23:21.000But the enemy is flashing out because they know humanity is waking up.
00:23:26.000It's the Great Awakening versus the Great Reset.
00:24:17.000It's, I would say, a very accurate snapshot representation of what we do, what we stand for.
00:24:22.000I'm going to be proud of my work in many areas and not so proud in other areas.
00:24:25.000And I, you know, talked about that because life is a work in progress with Glenn.
00:24:30.000And so we're going to be airing large excerpts of that interview in the second hour.
00:24:34.000Then Eddie Bravo taped with us yesterday.
00:24:39.000In studio, before the premiere, we're going to be airing that coming up, and also Harrison Smith and so much more.
00:24:47.000The full Steve Bannon interview that we won't have time to air all of, we'll air about 60% of it, is obviously on his site on Rumble, and we posted it to InfoWars.com if you'd like to go watch it without the interruptions and things.
00:24:59.000But let me just throw this out there real quick.
00:25:02.000Because, you know, Steve's better than I am at plugging books, because he's written a lot more books than I have.
00:25:08.000This really is an important book, and if you think the video clips on the show and the documents are powerful, this is a thick book, but a fast read, but also a deep read, because it's got all the proof of the nightmare world government, dehumanization, transhumanist plan, depopulation plan, and it's all in one book.
00:25:29.000There's a lot of great reset books out there that are excellent, including those written by the globalists themselves.
00:25:34.000They're evil, but they're excellent at telling you what they're going to do to you.
00:25:38.000This book, now available on Amazon.com, is the best overall work out there today.
00:25:45.000I'm sure stuff will come out that's even more important in the future because people will have more information, but this is really a total conviction of these criminals.
00:25:52.000It's not for sale yet on InfoWareStore.com because We were greenlit to sell it last week, and we just never put it up for sale.
00:26:02.000It's just how ragtag we are and, you know, what's going on around here.
00:26:05.000But by tomorrow it will be up for pre-sale and it starts shipping on August 15th at InfowarsStore.com or 888-253-3139.
00:26:18.000But right now it is available at Barnes & Noble and Amazon and places like that.
00:26:22.000And it's important to get it from Amazon, because if it pushes up to the number one political book or even number one book period, that makes everybody else start buying it, causes a big political firestorm, and then the message really gets out there.
00:26:33.000So I don't normally say, go to Amazon to get stuff, but in the case of The Great Reset, you get a really good deal on it, and we want to send it to number one.
00:26:40.000So go to Amazon.com, get The Great Reset.
00:26:45.000And the War for the World by yours truly, Alex Jones, there.
00:26:48.000And if you want to support us, you can start buying some copies on Monday.
00:26:51.000Hopefully it'll be up at infowarestore.com.
00:26:54.000And you can also get signed copies there as well.
00:26:58.000So again, the Great Reset and the War for the World.
00:27:02.000Go out to break in seven minutes with more of the Bannon clip, and then we're going to come back without my introduction in the last segment of this hour as well.
00:27:10.000And then the Glenn Greenwald onstage interview last night that was really powerful.
00:27:14.000Folks are saying that they thought it was very informative.
00:27:17.000That is coming up in the second hour tonight.
00:27:19.000So here is more of the Steve Bannon War Room, Alex Jones interview.
00:27:25.000The establishment is a lot of different power groups, as you know, but Science is always the cutting edge, and they know there's a revolution of science, and so they want to control that science and want to be the people that direct that science.
00:27:39.000And if they don't bring in a worldwide authoritarian system, they know there'll be competition to them, and they're basically afraid of these massive technological developments that are about to happen.
00:27:49.000Contrary to limits to growth and things that MIT put out in the 60s claiming society would collapse, We'll actually expand infinitely with our technology if we have a culture, if we're moral and we don't destroy each other.
00:28:05.000And so they have decided to trigger a controlled collapse and then bring in a new dark age to control the general public where they will be in their Elysium fields You know, to use the Greek analogy, where they're these demigods, and then if they even keep us around, it's like you let some ants live in your backyard, you have a potted plant, as Ray Kurzweil has said.
00:28:29.000And so really, it was easy to write this book.
00:28:33.000The problem was condensing it down, because they tell us what they're doing.
00:29:27.000And it's these people, these self-appointed high priests, that are just saying, we are in control of your destiny.
00:29:34.000Oh, but it's going to be wonderful and you're going to be empowered, but we're going to control everything you do.
00:29:38.000So it's an authoritarian delusion of grandeur.
00:29:44.000But because humans are so amazing and we are made by God, we've created such great technology, they're just declaring themselves the aficionados of humans and that they're in charge of our development and where we're going.
00:30:01.000The old global elites couldn't beat the Renaissance innovation 550 years ago, the Gutenberg press.
00:30:06.000And so it's been them trying to maintain and control technology because it threatens them.
00:30:12.000And so now they're going to try to use technology to superimpose their will over us.
00:30:16.000But just like the Internet backfired on them, it's going to backfire on them again.
00:30:19.000So again, it's a bunch of mad scientists, self-appointed control freaks.
00:30:24.000Who have set themselves up as the new priest class, who are self-anointed, and are telling us that we have to get in line with the utopia they're building, but when we see the Great Reset, the cutting off of energy, and the so-called Great Transition we're in, there is no new technology coming in.
00:30:40.000They're blocking that, and so really they're just imploding things under the cloud and pivot model, so that they can get that control over us.
00:30:51.000You've been at this now for 20 or 30 years.
00:30:53.000You've been focused on what you call the New World Order.
00:30:56.000Tell us about how does a guy like Klaus Schwab come up and take this conference started in Davos and let this be kind of the governor mechanism of all this?
00:31:20.000Klaus Schwab and his family go back, being technocrats, going back into World War II on the bad guy side.
00:31:28.000And he was a protege of Henry Kissinger and that whole OSS-CIA Atlantic Alliance.
00:31:39.000And so the Bilderberg Group set up in Oosterbeek, Holland in 1954.
00:31:43.000...was an alliance of the old European elite and the Anglo-American establishment, the British Empire and the US, and was a consortium meeting on time to create consensus within the elites.
00:31:54.000And then once they had that by the 70s, and the Trilateral Commission was set up by David Rockefeller and Jimmy Carter, once they kind of had that order set up, then they said, okay, we've got to take this royal roundtable international organization, Royal Institute of International Affairs is the British model of it, CFR is the US model.
00:32:13.000We've got to now take that to the state, and to the county, and to the city, and to the ecumenical, and the educational systems, and really put that program in.
00:32:26.000And as Klaus Schwab says, we penetrate the cabinets, we control half the governments, he will eat the bugs.
00:32:32.000And so he is really the press secretary of this.
00:32:36.000And they then used the, quote, World Economic Forum with massive money and private jets and all the things that come with that, the big dinners and the other things that you get when you go, the sex operatives, all of it.
00:32:50.000And they just roped in all the best talent and all the best people from every level, media, academia, business, government.
00:32:58.000and just brought them all in since the 80s really at a fast pace until they have their mafia
00:33:06.000or their cult of corporate power really fascism the merger of government and corporations over
00:33:48.000...Is the operating system for the general masses, just like China is communist, but it's really rich oligarchs.
00:33:56.000And, you know, Obama, before he left office, gave speeches in South America, saying, listen, we need to mix the communism and capitalism.
00:34:02.000Like, one country is communist, the other is capitalist, but those are the feudal slaves under communism.
00:34:08.000And then you have the, quote, capitalist system extracting it, but it's not really capitalist.
00:34:12.000It's a fascist, crony, capitalist, authoritarian system over it.
00:34:17.000And so Klaus Schwab is the mouthpiece Of these organizations and groups, and they create the press releases, the operational memorandums, that then get sent out to Australia and New Zealand and Germany and France and the US and Canada and, you know, over a hundred countries who all now, the politicians speak in one unified voice.
00:34:36.000When we've seen those composite videos where one person says, build back better, great reset, transition, and then it's another one, another one, and all of a sudden there's a hundred screens and a hundred languages all saying, We're doing this, and then when we go, hey, we don't want our energy cut off, you don't even have a replacement, they go, oh no!
00:36:03.000This is like Hitler, Buck Rogers level with what they're saying.
00:36:07.000And they're just in this huge revolution Against choice and free will and normal technological development and adoption of technology that empowers humanity.
00:36:18.000Instead, they want adoption of technology, forced adoption, world IDs, global social credit scores, carbon taxes that dominate and monitor every facet of our lives.
00:36:43.000Yes, I know Madeline Peltz, our marketing director over at Media Matters, is going to melt down.
00:36:49.000I dare anybody to go through this book and read it and see the references that are cited and the deconstruction he does of some of these major works by major... This is not intellectual slumming.
00:37:02.000This is a heavy book and he takes apart and repurposes in there works of some of the top thinkers in the world today.
00:37:11.000Alex Jones is our guest here in the War Room.
00:37:13.000We're going to take a short commercial break.
00:39:56.000Okay, a blockbuster film premieres tonight in Austin, Texas, Alex's War.
00:40:00.000Alex Jones is interviewed by it, but it's not by him, it's by a fantastic filmmaker.
00:40:05.000And it's not a, you know, it's not a hierography.
00:40:09.000It's a tough film, but I gotta tell you, I think You watch it, you come away with an appreciation that is, uh, I think a lot of people are going to be blown away by this.
00:40:18.000Also, a major new book comes out basically in mid-August, being finished up by now, now by Alex, The Great Reset and The War for the World.
00:40:29.000One of the things I loved about the book is that, because I said, I said, I think he's the first guy besides me that thinks, hey, you've had Kissinger, but then he got Mika Brzezinski's dad, Dr. Brzezinski, who was National Security Advisor, after Kissinger, when the Ford administration was defeated by Carter, he came in.
00:40:48.000But I've said for years, he's actually 10x the intellectual thinker geopolitically and what, and if he had this book, which you cite, That if you read it, it really was the railhead of everything that's kind of happened.
00:41:01.000Tell us about Dr. Brzezinski versus Dr. Henry Kissinger, sir.
00:41:08.000I mentioned Kissinger because Paul Schwab directly worked under him, but the real intellectual that got his ideas adopted was Zbigniew Brzezinski, who of course helped start the Afghan War and lured the Soviets in.
00:41:26.000He wrote the Grand Chess Board, you know, a decade or so ago, admitting his world government plans.
00:41:30.000But I read, when I was a teenager, because my dad was really into it, when I was a little kid, he said, you ought to read these books when you get old enough.
00:41:37.000So I read the Technotronic Era and several others.
00:41:39.000And he was talking about microchips to buy and sell into your skin.
00:41:43.000He was talking about a technocracy with computers controlling everything you did.
00:41:46.000He was explaining how governments actually control organized crime.
00:41:50.000But Alex, Alex, I just want to make sure people understand.
00:41:52.000That book came out basically in the 70s, correct?
00:44:09.000Well, you've been through this, President Trump's been through this, and what they do is, they fear populists, they fear loyal Americans that believe in America and are promoting it, because they know that's going to be popular, so they have to shut that down.
00:44:22.000If they can demonize Steve Bannon and destroy Steve Bannon, if they can demonize and destroy Alex Jones or Donald Trump, And I'm not trying to put myself in that league, but that's the league.
00:44:30.000It's like, you know, Trump, Steve Bannon, Alex Jones are the main targets, kind of going down from there.
00:44:34.000I think you're probably a bigger target than I am because you're respected and also you have your intelligence background and they know it was the brain trust to find a lot of Trump successes.
00:44:44.000And so I'm not lavishing you, it's just true.
00:44:48.000Here's where I disagree with this because I think, like Trump, you have a You know, as Bernard Shaw said, only connect.
00:44:58.000You have a way of connecting with the working class in this country, in the middle class in this country that is very powerful.
00:45:04.000I mean, one of my guilty pleasures is watching your rants and they're absolutely amazing.
00:45:16.000Their biggest fear is the Education and enlightenment the awakening of that army of what I call the army of the awakened and they will take I think Tucker and I are far in back of that because you and Trump have a way of Connecting a hard connection with that.
00:45:39.000I don't want to say that I've got What what what what are they trying to do right now they've done everything possible and In the technocratic way to shut you down and eliminate your voice.
00:46:02.000I have the motions in limine at Infowars.com of the judge's order of the first of three rigged Sandy Hook trials where I've already been found guilty.
00:47:57.000I mean, when Steve Bannon cannot cross-examine people at his own trial, In a rigged DC situation, we are all having our rights stolen.
00:48:05.000And when I can't say I'm innocent, and can't say I'm bankrupt, and can't say there's three trials coming up, literally, she says we can say almost nothing.
00:48:18.000And I'm just blessed that it's not criminal, like it is for you or what Julian Assange.
00:48:22.000So anytime I feel sorry for myself, I go, There's Julian Assange, and there's Roger Stone, and there's people like Steve Bannon that have been really persecuted.
00:48:31.000But I understand that's their next phase, is they're also implying everything's criminal I'm doing.
00:48:36.000And I know they've got grand juries open, and they've got grand jury subpoenas, and some of it I've not talked about on air, but it's just a nightmare.
00:49:19.000All right, for the balance of the hour, we're going to air large excerpts of the multi-hour event that happened Saturday evening last night in Austin at a great theater.
00:49:31.000And Glenn Greenwald got really demonized for coming to interview me.
00:49:35.000The left said, You can interview Charlie Manson, you can interview Saddam Hussein, but you can't interview Alex Jones because then they can't misrepresent what I've actually said and done.
00:49:44.000We talk about free speech, the attack on liberty, the death of the corporate media, and so much more.
00:49:49.000And then after that, Eddie Bravo in studio, Harrison Smith, and so much more.
00:49:54.000For the balance of the hour, ladies and gentlemen, here is large sections of the event streamed by Rockfin.
00:51:16.000All right, so do you want to end the weirdness of talking about Alex Jones right in front of him if he's not here and bring him up on stage?
00:52:32.000And I'm just glad you guys made this film.
00:52:38.000So Alex, let me actually begin by asking you a little bit about that in terms of your intentions and the like, because I remember when I watched the film, it was just so striking, this early footage of you.
00:52:50.000And I remember when the internet first discovered some of the early pictures of you from your public access days in Austin, I remember liberals being almost horrified, like with this cognitive dissonance, like we're supposed to look at him as a screaming, spitting monster, and yet these pictures are disturbingly handsome.
00:53:04.000In this, like, very mainstream, normal way, you obviously from the beginning had a kind of charisma, a natural charisma in front of the camera.
00:53:12.000That's what people even said from the first time they saw you.
00:53:15.000And so when you combine these attributes that you had when you were young, I think you clearly, had you been somebody who was willing to affirm rather than question establishment pieties, could have ended up as, like, a meteorologist on, like, Good Morning America, or, like, some Anderson Cooper type.
00:53:31.000And I'm wondering if you were aware of that potential and purposely chose to reject it for a different path, this kind of path of misfits and outcasts that we're surrounded by delightfully, or whether it was just so natural to your personality that you never even considered trying to pursue that kind of mainstream acceptability.
00:53:52.000Glenn, I was thinking about driving her today.
00:53:55.000What I wanted to say, and I forgot it, but thank God you brought that up.
00:54:47.000I'm just giving my opinion on something.
00:54:49.000And so, no, I had no idea what I was doing.
00:54:52.000I just was pro-America, and like, kind of a libertarian, and like, didn't like Republicans, didn't like Democrats, and I was just watching all this happen, and I said, God, I get on AXS TV?
00:55:01.000So I tried to go to college, tried to get an RTF job, and they're like, I don't think in five years you'll even be able to do anything in radio.
00:55:08.000So I, and I was like, well, I'll be on AXS TV.
00:55:10.000So that was, it was basically, I had my own political beliefs.
00:55:14.000We're just pro-freedom that I got involved that was immediately successful that I was like trying to like figure out as I went I'm trying to be truthful made a lot of mistakes along the way but none of it was with malice none of it was meant to hurt anybody Yeah, we're going to talk about the mistakes for sure in a few minutes, because it wouldn't be a complete discussion without that.
00:55:33.000But before we get to that, the question of your politics I think is so interesting, and this is what was striking me watching the film, is there's this idea that if you ask somebody with what political faction or ideology is Alex Jones associated, they would instantly say, oh, the far right.
00:55:50.000And I'm watching you Well before most people thought about doing it, spreading huge amounts of skepticism and doubt about the CIA, the US security state, you're confronting the FBI, well before Trump began spreading that kind of skepticism in Republican circles, you even are talking about the NSA before 9-11, you're warning about the dangers of exaggerating the threats of Bin Laden and Al Qaeda in order to kind of bring it into a sort of
00:56:19.000Lots of things that people very associated with the left have been saying for a long time, kind of opposing these institutions of authoritarianism, warning about how they exploit people's perceptions to put the population in fear.
00:56:34.000How have you seen yourself ideologically and politically along the years?
00:58:01.000And then as soon as Obama got in, they're like, wait a minute, this is Obama.
00:58:06.000And I'm like, well, I don't like Obama's continuing the same stuff.
00:58:11.000So to me, I literally just went on Access TV at like 21 years old, got a local radio show at 22, got syndicated at 23, totally self-taught, made a ton of mistakes.
00:58:23.000And then I experienced, like, Hollywood and what it does, and the right wing, and then just... I've had this great experience over 28 years on air of, like, seeing all the weird underbellies of all this stuff because I didn't come into it from the establishment.
00:58:40.000I literally came out of AXS TV in Austin, Texas, and so because I wasn't part of any of the power structures, I got to see stuff nobody else has seen.
00:58:48.000So let me ask you a similar question to the one I asked Alex, which is, you know, it is so striking when I began writing about politics in 2005, liberals hated, more than anybody, George Bush, the architects of the Iraq War.
00:59:01.000I began writing in opposition to rendition and the torture regime and Guantanamo and due process-free imprisonment.
00:59:08.000It's just so striking that all the people back then who were implementing it, were advocating it, are completely acceptable, in fact, beloved in mainstream liberal circles.
00:59:19.000Liberals watch media outlets and consume media outlets that employ those people.
00:59:23.000As I was saying, I could interview all of them and I would be applauded by liberals, and yet you, who back in 2004 were saying, don't trust George W. Bush, his father was the CIA director, the Iraq War is based on lies, all things that auto-appeal to that sensibility of liberals. You are uniquely castigated
00:59:41.000and kind of cast out of good company to the point where you're one of the very few people that
00:59:45.000even journalists are told they can't speak to. Why is that? Why have you been
00:59:50.000identified as such a threat in a way that other people who actually have blood on their
00:59:55.000hands and wars on their legacy aren't even remotely cast as?
00:59:59.000Well, I mean, that's a great question. And I, again, only learned this, Glenn, through
01:00:03.000organic experience of it. But if I lied about WMDs, if I killed billions of people, I'm
01:01:17.000So, you know, it is interesting that the thing they hate most
01:01:23.000are people who develop influence and a significant audience
01:01:26.000without being captive to their structures and their influence.
01:01:29.000And that is something that defines what you've done, You came out of public access TV, which was tolerated because it's supposed to be a joke that no one watches, and yet you developed this gigantic audience.
01:01:40.000And clearly, part of why is because you have a kind of showman charisma, a kind of, you know, entertainment component to you that made people want to watch.
01:01:49.000And one of the things that struck me was, you know, you were talking early on in this funny episode about how when you were 12, you would see these preachers with Rolls Royces and gigantic houses doing coke off hookers' breasts and whatever.
01:02:01.000And they developed an audience because they had this similar kind of showmanship.
01:02:05.000They were able to get people to watch.
01:02:06.000And by the end of the film, we're watching you talking about praying for President Bush and satanic influences in a way that seems... I'm just wondering... No, let's be honest.
01:05:36.000And we just walked like idiots into this.
01:05:38.000You're in DC, it's so massive, and you're like, well I expect the authorities are in command here.
01:05:43.000We got a million people there, and I just expected that the system would be in place, and it wasn't.
01:05:50.000And I'm mad at Pelosi trying to block Trump with his 10,000 troops.
01:05:55.000I'm upset with Trump waiting, you know, over an hour and a half while all this was going on.
01:06:00.000I mean, I'm out there trying to stop what's happening.
01:06:02.000And I'm also mad we learned it was like a thousand feds and military were in plainclothes.
01:06:06.000So I'm like, don't go in the building, don't go in the building.
01:06:08.000If they just stood up, it wouldn't happen.
01:06:10.000So it's a very complex situation, but you've had all over to do.
01:06:17.000It shows, like, we tried to launch a peaceful demonstration of our numbers to show we didn't buy the election, which obviously, look at Biden.
01:06:24.000I mean, the guy can't tie his shoelaces.
01:07:01.000I don't have some weird thing in my head like I need to be a military GI Joe guy.
01:07:05.000But when you get a million people in D.C., it doesn't matter.
01:07:09.000Even if they're being manipulated, it's still your responsibility.
01:07:13.000So I have a lot of guilt over January 6th.
01:07:15.000Because it could have gone really bad.
01:07:17.000If the federal provocateurs had their way, they would have, the Q people would have actually kidnapped Mike Pence and Pelosi and put them in handcuffs.
01:07:43.000And so I feel like I've been brought to the edge of death.
01:07:46.000And so January 6th to me is very serious.
01:07:48.000Let me ask you about the underlying cause of January 6th, which nominally, at least, was the idea that there had been widespread fraud in the 2020 election, that Donald Trump actually won the states like Arizona, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and others, and that because of fraud, they had swung the rightful victor, which is Donald Trump, to Joe Biden.
01:08:09.000There is a point in the film where you were talking about Sandy Hook, and I thought something you said was very poignant, which is anyone can kind of get carried away in their ideology, where you start almost becoming so anti-establishment.
01:08:20.000I definitely feel this myself sometimes, that you kind of want to cast doubt
01:08:24.000on what the establishment is saying simply because they lie so often that you want to kind of make the point that these
01:08:30.000are untrustworthy institutions independent of the argument you're making.
01:08:34.000In this case where you were saying there was widespread fraud, did you actually
01:08:38.000conduct what you feel like is kind of a meticulous, a forensic analysis of the voting patterns
01:08:43.000and conclude that there was fraud in these states sufficient
01:09:22.000And so we saw some evidence, but we were expecting it.
01:09:26.000And so, yeah, you can say it's kind of a foregone conclusion.
01:09:29.000And we all look through rose-colored darklies, but I think it's kind of 50-50.
01:09:32.000And then now in hindsight, with 2,000 mules and all those numbers come out, I mean, I think that obviously I don't think Biden got more votes than Trump.
01:09:38.000But in a sick way, it's better that Biden's in.
01:09:41.000So we now get to see what the establishment's really about.
01:09:43.000But, but yeah, I, uh, I mean, we expect election fraud right away.
01:09:47.000And so kind of when you're a hammer, everything's a nail.
01:09:50.000I mean, I think we distorted our views, obviously.
01:09:53.000And they'll say, Jones admits he distorted views.
01:09:56.000Now there was evidence of the fraud and it got covered up and got suppressed, but I'm not going to lie and say we didn't, I didn't distort my views in hindsight to what was happening.
01:10:06.000Yeah, you know, I think one of the things I think about a lot is the established media, its function is to spread disinformation.
01:10:14.000They lie constantly in ways far worse than what you just kind of... Exactly.
01:10:19.000I admit I'm wrong because I don't want to be a liar like them on purpose.
01:10:24.000I mean, calling you a conspiracy theorist is so hilarious given that for four years the leading institutions of our country were insisting that the Kremlin had seized the levers of power in the United States by virtue of sexual blackmail over Donald Trump, the sort of, you know, kind of like Robert Ludlow novel from the Cold War that would get rejected for being too stupid and banal.
01:10:47.000That was like the leading narrative of our Disperse for so long.
01:10:51.000However, when you are somebody who's standing against kind of establishment authority and establishment institutions, you know that one of the things they're going to do is seize on any mistake that you make.
01:11:01.000And this is what I kind of try and counsel people all the time who are trying to be dissidents, which is you need to be a thousand times more careful because they can lie all the time and no one's going to call them out on it because they're on the side of the people with the more powerful megaphones.
01:11:16.000Do you feel like you, on some occasions, have paid insufficient attention to the need not to hand your enemies really easy and cheap weapons for them to take and bash you over the head with?
01:11:39.000And so, I would just kind of like, I would say, devil's advocate, this, that.
01:11:44.000And I'd say, this is just a debate, but they will take it out of context.
01:11:47.000And so when you've got that big a megaphone, just because they're the ones editing it doesn't mean you still have a responsibility to not do that.
01:11:54.000So I try to be a lot more careful now about things.
01:13:40.000People interested in the particulars can go watch that if they want.
01:13:43.000I'm not going to jump through hoops in order to appease people's anger that I'm here.
01:13:46.000I do, though, want to ask you about a question that I'm actually interested in myself, which is, You know, you have just said that you have made mistakes.
01:13:56.000Obviously one of those is the stuff you said about Sandy Hook.
01:13:59.000We watched you in the film come very clean about the fact that you made statements that turned out to be untrue.
01:14:04.000You've obviously spent a lot of kind of reflective time.
01:14:06.000It's like the soulful Alex Jones we got to see in the last part of the film.
01:14:11.000What is it that you think caused you to do that?
01:14:15.000I mean, you referenced some things, and I just identify with it myself, that when people who lie for a living are telling you that you're a liar, when people whose job it is to spread disinformation are accusing you of doing that, you kind of want to dig in a little bit and not give an inch to people who you know aren't criticizing you in good faith.
01:14:35.000But what is it about Well sure, think of this like a thousand page book, and Sandy Hook in my life is like a quarter page.
01:14:42.000some of the psychological and cultural dynamics that led you to make some of those mistakes in Sandy Hook?
01:15:48.000So a lot of it's just, I'm a talk show host.
01:15:50.000So I don't go, I'm journalistic, and I have the witnesses, and I have the proof, and you know, Jussie Smollett's full of crap.
01:15:57.000But I still went on air, And I said, the day after it happened, I said, Jesse Smollett's full of crap, there's not dudes at 23 below zero, running around at 2.30 in the morning, dumping bleach on black people, get your ass kicked.
01:16:11.000I mean, like, you go attack black people in the middle of the night in Chicago, you're looking to die.
01:16:16.000I mean, like, run around at 2.30 in the morning, that ain't going on.
01:16:20.000So to me it's kind of like, The internet doesn't buy anything that's told anymore because they've been lied to so much.
01:17:19.000So, so, and then once I got into that process, you know, once they came after me for it, once Hillary made a big issue out of it, it was a, you know, totally different ball game.
01:17:29.000And then, and what makes me mad is they misrepresented what I said and what I did.
01:17:37.000And then in the trials they have coming up starting next week, they defaulted me and the judge in Texas issued orders.
01:17:43.000Forget Alex Jones, let's say I'm Hitler.
01:17:46.000The order says, cannot mention First Amendment.
01:17:57.000So I'm probably going to probably boycott the trial or something because that's not a trial where if I was a guy caught again With 20 dead bodies in my basement, I could get up, they're like, Mr. Jones, we have the dead bodies and we have them in your basement.
01:18:37.000No, I mean I think you know it's interesting and I've identified this with myself and I think if you start off as kind of this outsider, you start off as like on access TV, you start growing a little bit in influence, growing a little bit in influence and suddenly you That's why you're a great journalist.
01:18:51.000I think one of the most influential people in the country with one of the largest audiences,
01:18:56.000it's hard I think sometimes to remind yourself I'm not that guy on AXS TV in Austin anymore
01:19:00.000because it wasn't all that long ago when you weren't getting so much scrutiny and then
01:19:04.000suddenly you're subjected to more scrutiny than anybody.
01:19:07.000And I think it's hard to try and, you know, kind of adapt with that because it's kind
01:19:31.000Let me ask you this because I obviously do a lot of work on internet censorship.
01:19:35.000I've done a lot of work on free speech for decades.
01:19:38.000People forget that, in a lot of ways, you were the first house case for whether big tech could just depersonalize somebody from the internet by uniting all at once and just banning you from speaking.
01:19:50.000And it's so striking because the reason you were able to develop an audience is even in the 90s when you're talking about the United States being repressive, you still had the freedom.
01:19:59.000You weren't going to get a job at the New York Times as a columnist saying that stuff, but you were able to go on AXS TV and build an audience and go on radio.
01:20:08.000And now we're at the point where you can't be heard on the internet.
01:20:12.000You're not allowed to use any of the major venues of communication that we all use to disseminate information.
01:20:18.000You can't hear from Alex Jones unless you go purposely looking for you and it's hard to find.
01:20:23.000What do you kind of see as somebody who's been at the center of it?
01:20:27.000What the pattern has been in terms of censorship and free speech over the last couple decades?
01:20:32.000Well, I don't say this to sound like I care about everybody, which I do care about everybody.
01:20:36.000We're all connected, but it's not like some thing I just throw out there.
01:20:40.000I really figured out early on when they were like writing about it.
01:20:43.000They had a Wall Street Journal article like six years ago, five and a half years ago that said, I forget the exact headline, but they had a Gizmodo article about it that linked to it.
01:21:06.000I was like, we're going to ban Julian Assange and WikiLeaks and Alex Jones.
01:21:10.000And once we ban Julian Assange and the left puts up with it, then we'll be able to ban Alex Jones and the right when he puts up with it, we'll be able to ban everything.
01:21:18.000And so, I really understood that this wasn't me.
01:21:23.000When there was like, no exaggeration, sometimes 500 articles a day.
01:21:28.000Every TV station, Jones is an actor, he's a fake, he's a fraud.
01:21:32.000And I was able to handle it because I was realizing, this isn't me.
01:21:36.000I've acted like a jackass out of context.
01:22:26.000It was like the NATO intelligence head was saying this, like, we'll get Assange, and then once they... She's from the State Department, she heard about this, she was there.
01:22:35.000Once we get Assange, then we'll get Jones.
01:22:37.000I'm like reading this going, what the... I was seen as an example that they were going to get.
01:22:46.000Once you're hit with something that big, it's like you're in Star Wars and 20 Star Destroyers show up to blow you up.
01:22:51.000It's like you're not even intimidated anymore.
01:22:54.000I don't know how to describe it, Glenn.
01:22:56.000No, no, you know, I remember back then, you know, I was trying to get the left and other people who used to pretend to believe in free speech to actually care and be concerned about your banning, saying, do you actually think they're going to stop?
01:23:34.000Yeah, you know, when I got picked up at the airport, I was told that there was some difficulty for a while getting a venue here in Austin to do this event, that when they found out that you were involved, they said, you know what, on second thought, we're not really interested in your money.
01:23:50.000And I thought about it for a minute, and at first I said, okay, yeah, of course that's the case.
01:23:55.000And then I realized, That shouldn't be so comforting like normal to hear.
01:24:13.000Yeah, I mean, I think there's a kind of repression that has emerged that we've been trained for so long to think takes place in other places that we have a very hard time recognizing that we're actually subject to that level of repression here.
01:24:27.000Have you had problems with the film, like this film, getting distribution and other kind of publicity for it that you didn't have with the first film?
01:24:40.000Well, sort of, but also we read the tea leaves after what happened with our last film and we took matters into our own hands and things to play nice.
01:24:55.000We, you know, we started basically talking to people outside of Hollywood, and I'm not, I mean, I don't, I'm a free agent.
01:25:05.000I'm not playing nice, but we're a team on this movie for sure, and there are people that are interested in seeing authentic content, you know, and 1AMDC and Amanda Milius can vouch for that too.
01:25:17.000But, you know, we're building an alternative sort of economy and an alternative show business, actually, for this kind of thing.
01:25:28.000But, yeah, no, it's challenging, but I just expect that.
01:25:35.000But we're also number two after Top Gun, so...
01:25:43.000Because I've studied history, in hindsight, and tyranny, especially in the West, always gets responded to in a big way, like Hitler, the Communists, you know, all of it.
01:25:54.000I don't, I think the backlash of this is going to be massive.
01:25:58.000Yeah, no, it's funny, Alex, because that was the last question I was going to ask you, was exactly that one, because there were times in the film when you were saying, you know, you were seeming a little nihilistic, like things are really grim.
01:26:11.000If you didn't, you wouldn't be doing this.
01:26:13.000There's a lot of other things you can be doing.
01:26:15.000And I think it's exactly right, I think, when I look at this polling data that shows that 80 or 85 percent of the public now despises corporate media outlets to the
01:26:24.000same extent that I do, feels the same nausea and indignation when thinking about
01:26:44.000But in that I see so much opportunity because that is what has driven your ability and my ability and other people's ability to develop an audience.
01:26:54.000If they had a stranglehold on the thought process of the public, no one would be willing to listen to us question what they're saying.
01:27:01.000And that's why I want to admit I've been wrong, but not on purpose.
01:29:53.000This was me hiding around the corner, like, listening to what they were talking about.
01:29:57.000And so, that's why I had a leg up on it all, was because of a bunch of family stuff.
01:30:03.000So I was, uh, before I came here I was thinking about where I would be instead of here if I had made different choices to pursue the kind of mainstream accountability, uh, acceptability that I was interested in wondering why you had rejected.
01:30:15.000And I was thinking I'd probably be in, like, the CNN building with Wolf Blitzer and Chris Hayes and, like, Amy Klobuchar and Nancy Pelosi wanting to kill myself out of boredom and disgust.
01:30:26.000And, you know, I refer to this crowd as, like, a kind of crowd of misfits and outcasts, and it is, and I'm so happy.
01:30:33.000So much happier to be around people like this who place themselves on the outside and decide that they're not going to pay that price of kind of, you know, embracing things they don't believe for whatever rewards they offer.
01:30:47.000And you've been doing this for decades and taking all kinds of slings and arrows and you yourself recognize you made a lot of mistakes.
01:30:54.000But I'm really glad you've been doing what you're doing.
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