Alex Jones on why this is the greatest legal crisis in U.S. history and why it is a bellwether for the end of the republic. Roger Stone predicts Trump will still be indicted soon and we have a big show lined up for you on this Friday's show.
00:00:13.000Forget about the fact that he's the first former president to be prosecuted.
00:00:17.000He's the first presidential candidate to be prosecuted and he's running against The head Democrat in the world, obviously, President Joe Biden.
00:00:27.000And when a popularly elected Democratic DA who swore to get Trump is going after the man running against, essentially, his boss, the Chief Democrat, he better have a slam-dunk, ironclad case.
00:00:40.000And I have to tell you, I haven't seen the indictment yet, but based on what I've seen, this may be the weakest case I've seen in my 60 years of practicing Law, so this is a great danger to American democracy and
00:00:54.000the rule of law Patriots worldwide in defense of human liberty. It's Alex
00:02:19.000And he will overthrow America if we let him.
00:02:22.000When I say Soros, I mean the people he represents.
00:02:26.000This is a very vicious organized crime syndicate.
00:02:33.000But it's being forced out in the open, and it's doing all this, Because the world, not just America, is waking up to these captors saying, we refuse to be your slaves.
00:02:48.000Now, Roger Stone was on yesterday and the last thing he said is, Trump is still going to be indicted anytime now.
00:02:56.000And of course, we now know Trump knew yesterday, before they even announced it, that that was the case, because his lawyer had talked Thursday Evening to the Puppet District Attorney in Manhattan.
00:03:51.000citizen from being nominated and running for president while under indictment.
00:03:56.000In fact, not all of the alleged crimes against Trump would prevent him from running or being president, although being convicted of violation of the 14th Amendment would preclude you from running for federal office.
00:04:12.000In fact, likely at this point, that Donald Trump will be waging a campaign to save this country, a crusade as it were, a 2024 campaign, while under criminal indictment by a politically motivated prosecutor.
00:04:30.000And I actually think that is the backdrop that virtually ensures his election.
00:04:36.000People can see through this, and I think they do see through this, And he went on to predict he will be indicted soon.
00:05:33.000But a week and a half ago, Alvin Bragg had done that once, saying, we're going to indict him in a couple days, we want you to turn yourself in.
00:05:40.000And then when Trump said it, they went, oh, you're crazy, you're making it up.
00:05:44.000The late night comics made jokes about it.
00:05:51.000Well, Trump, the last time they tried to trick him to come out and announce he was being indicted, he didn't announce it because he didn't know it was true.
00:06:01.000But now they've officially announced that it's still sealed, but it's 34 counts.
00:06:09.000To describe how this pretty much completes our journey into being a banana republic, let's play a clip from Senator Josh Hawley, who's a former prosecutor himself, talking about this situation.
00:06:23.000I think he sums it up best on Tucker last night.
00:06:27.000Well, I think what this is about is nothing to do with the rule of law, Jesse, obviously.
00:07:29.000American politics was thrown into complete chaos, perhaps permanently, about three hours ago, when a grand jury in Manhattan, one of the most liberal cities in America, a place where 80% voted for Joe Biden in the last election, decided to indict Biden's political opponent in the upcoming election, the Republican frontrunner, a man who leads by 30 points in polls, Donald Trump.
00:07:53.000And the jury did this at the urging of a man called Alvin Bragg.
00:07:56.000He's the Manhattan District Attorney who has been famous so far by making the city much more dangerous by refusing to enforce laws against crimes like robbery and rape.
00:08:05.000Now, we don't know at this hour what the indictment says.
00:08:08.000We don't know specifically what the charges are.
00:08:11.000But previous news reports suggest they will emanate from an alleged payment seven years ago, a payment that federal regulators said violated no law, But that Alvin Bragg apparently believes is a crime.
00:08:25.000Either way, the net result is Donald Trump is the first former president of the United States ever to be indicted.
00:08:32.000So no matter what happens next, we can be certain there is no coming back from this moment.
00:08:38.000There could be retaliation from red states.
00:08:40.000The governor of Florida has already said, Ron DeSantis has already issued a statement saying that he will not participate in any extradition of Donald Trump to New York.
00:08:48.000That's apparently scheduled for next week.
00:08:51.000As you can probably tell, we're not certain of the full outlines of the story, but we know this moment is a historic one.
00:08:57.000We want to set tonight in facts, those that we have so far, and we're going to do that as we always do, with the help of Fox's Trace Gallagher, who is with us tonight on set.
00:09:05.000And we're going to have more of DeSantis coming up on this, but it's important to remember, Tucker, that Manhattan District Attorney Alvin Bragg has chosen to pursue a case that was investigated and rejected by two previous sets of prosecutors, because one, the case is politically explosive, as we all know, and two, it requires using largely untested legal theory.
00:09:25.000Even Alvin Bragg himself initially decided against prosecuting Trump.
00:09:29.000The case, as Tucker was saying, is centered around a $130,000 payment to porn star Stormy Daniels, who claims she had an affair with Trump.
00:09:38.000The DA, Alvin Bragg, could not charge this case as a misdemeanor because the statute of limitations on a misdemeanor ran out back in 2018.
00:09:46.000And to charge it as a felony, the Manhattan D.A.
00:09:49.000had to perform what many call legal gymnastics and say it was a campaign finance violation going down that road.
00:09:57.000Numerous legal experts have pointed out that it would be monumentally improbable to prove that Donald Trump paid Stormy Daniels in an effort to win the White House instead of, say, an effort to save his marriage, etc.
00:10:11.000Here's law professor Jonathan Turley weighing in on the indictment just a short time ago.
00:10:15.000We're going to have more of this coming up, but first Roger Stone's going to be joining us coming up in the next segment.
00:10:20.000Robert Barnes is joining us, Alan Dershowitz is joining us, and a lot of other big guests today I'm sure will also come in and give his commentary here today.
00:10:30.000But let's just restate the facts here.
00:10:34.000Trump is, in most polls, 25 to 30 points ahead of all the other Republicans, namely DeSantis.
00:10:43.000In every major national poll, he's five to 15 points ahead of Biden in a rematch right now.
00:10:53.000So going into the election two years ago plus, he was neck and neck with Biden in those same polls.
00:11:02.000People understand we have total incompetence and evil running wild.
00:11:06.000We know that Soros has defunded the police, controls the DAs in almost every city.
00:11:12.000And that he is weaponizing the legal system.
00:11:18.000Now, Owen Schroer is facing prison time for being outside the Capitol trying to stop people going in.
00:11:23.000While Ray Epps told the January 6th Kangaroo Committee that he, quote, orchestrated the attack, because they had text messages where he said it, he's free.
00:11:33.000Roger Stone had to be pardoned for doing absolutely nothing.
00:11:37.000These very same organizations, top Democrat party law firms, you can look at the news, are trying to shut down Infowars right now, and trying to run around saying in the news, I'm a criminal, they want me in jail.
00:11:53.000Because they know what we're promoting is constitutional, and it's popular, and it's growing in popularity.
00:11:59.000And they know that President Trump is the president.
00:12:03.000They stole it from him two years ago, but there's no doubt he's riding on a giant wave right now.
00:12:08.000And if the election was held today, no matter how much election fraud, When you have a tsunami that big, you can't stop it with just dead people's names and having people vote.
00:12:19.000You'll run out of the mail-in ballots.
00:12:26.000They closed the doors in the different states, like Pennsylvania, like Georgia, like Michigan, like Arizona.
00:12:33.000And you see the same thing still in the election from Carrie Lake, when only Republican jurisdictions Did the Democrats that controlled the state, the lady that won the governorship by fraud, was running the election, where they gave the conservative precincts, Republican precincts, ballots that didn't work.
00:12:49.000Oh, don't worry, we'll hand count those later.
00:12:51.000So, they know there's a tsunami so big that they're not going to be able to stop Trump.
00:12:58.000And so they are throwing the Republican into crisis, and I believe they're going to have a whole bunch of indictments cascading on him, believing it will create the perception that he really is a criminal, and that when they indict people around him, which you know is coming, it's already been going on, but it's about to get a lot worse, they're hoping some of them will turn state evidence and bear false witness, like Judas Iscariot did.
00:13:25.000After the last supper for the 30 pieces of silver.
00:13:39.000And this is a desperate globalist group that's losing control worldwide, losing control here domestically.
00:13:46.000And instead of slowing down their operation and trying to back off a little, that they'd be smart, they'd still maintain control, they're forcing a confrontation with all their inept minions and ham-fisted operatives.
00:14:01.000And all I can say is we need to call for peace.
00:14:04.000We need to speak out against violence because I can tell you right now the next card they're going to play is going to be false flag terror attacks to blame it on Trump supporters and really try to bring in official dictatorship outlawing American populism and quote Trumpism in America.
00:14:21.000Biden's already said the main terror enemy is white conservative voters.
00:14:25.000And people that question elections or force injections.
00:14:28.000So you see the battle lines being drawn.
00:14:30.000You see the civil war they're trying to tee up.
00:15:31.000Well, ladies and gentlemen, you have lived to see history.
00:15:35.000The first former or current president indicted This is the hallmark of dictatorships and banana republics.
00:15:44.000The globalists are losing control, and so they're throwing down the gauntlet.
00:15:48.000I believe this will be the first of many other indictments in Georgia, and also federal indictments against Trump, to send a message to everybody else, you sit down and you shut up, and you turn your children over to us, and your guns over to us, and your life over to us, or we will lock your ass in prison.
00:16:05.000We're turning loose the murderers, the rapists, the killers, the bank robbers, and we're gonna throw your ass in the prisons, and that's what they're everywhere saying.
00:16:22.000Robert Barnes will be riding shotgun with me coming up, Alan Dershowitz is scheduled to be on, but right now I'm going to go to the man that predicted Trump would be indicted on this show yesterday, and that he thought this 30-day hiatus was a smokescreen, is Roger Stone, one of the few people that has been in the same shoes that our embattled President Trump is in now.
00:16:44.000But the good news is, this is backfiring and the polls are shooting straight up for Trump, the immovable object.
00:16:59.000We talked about this yesterday on your show.
00:17:02.000And once again, InfoWars, tomorrow's news today.
00:17:07.000I thought that the break that the grand jury was taking for a month was a head fake, and indeed it is.
00:17:18.000And therefore now, President Donald Trump has another historic first.
00:17:23.000He is not only the first president to be indicted by a grand jury, he's the first president
00:17:29.000of the United States to have his home raided by the FBI.
00:17:33.000He is the first president to be impeached but not convicted twice.
00:17:39.000He is the first president to be wiretapped by the FBI prior to his becoming president.
00:17:45.000He is the first president banned on social media.
00:17:50.000They will do absolutely anything and everything to stop Donald Trump, really because he is
00:17:58.000the guy who's drawn a line in the sand.
00:18:01.000As I said on yesterday's show, when he said, under a second Trump presidency, the State Department, the Defense Bureaucracy, the Intelligence Services, and all the rest will be completely overhauled and reconstituted to fire the deep state folks controlling them and put those who support America first in charge.
00:19:21.000First of all, I think it's patently unconstitutional, but look, very few people can appreciate how the president feels personally at this moment.
00:19:36.000And then Alex, you yourself, you know what it is to be in the eye of the storm and to have the full force of state and federal government come at you, completely violate all of your constitutional rights.
00:19:51.000Nowhere in the US Constitution does it say that if you're charged with a crime at either the state or the federal level that you forfeit your free speech rights.
00:20:02.000But in my case, as in I think potentially in this case, a federal judge Issued a gag order in which I could not defend myself.
00:20:16.000Although, frankly, I was banned on most of them at the time anyway.
00:20:20.000But I couldn't go to stonezone.com and post an article in my own defense, which is why today I can't go to dinner, say, on a Sunday night with my family, my wife, my children, my grandchildren, without some hopped up Trans radical leftists coming up to the table and calling me a Russian traitor, of which of course there is no evidence whatsoever.
00:20:46.000But I can see how this poor misguided individual might get that impression because CNN, MSNBC, The New York Times, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal, The Business Insider, they were allowed to repeat this unchallenged narrative.
00:21:15.000He is not only a former president, but he's also the leading candidate, announced candidate, federal candidate for the Republican nomination for president.
00:21:25.000And that is really what is at the root of all this.
00:21:29.000They do not, in my opinion, want to run against Donald Trump again.
00:21:32.000And I want to talk about that next segment because you're the real political expert on this.
00:21:37.000if you look at the polls, he would beat Joe Biden again tomorrow, even in the wake of this news.
00:21:44.000And I want to talk about that next segment, because you're the real political expert on this,
00:21:47.000the time frame of them trying to get him in jail before the election. But if you look at that,
00:21:55.000he could easily draw this out and then be the president again, and obviously pardon himself.
00:22:16.000He will pay money, and he has hundreds of millions of dollars, which wasn't true, wouldn't let us point that out, wasn't true, and then did that.
00:24:34.000Plus, these are great tools to wake people up.
00:24:35.000I want to thank you all that have been supporting.
00:24:37.000I want to encourage those of you that have been spreading the word and praying with the broadcast.
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00:24:51.000And there's only 400 or 300 or so signed copies left and then I'm not going to do any more signed copies of this book.
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00:26:27.000The globalist-owned documents leak all the time.
00:26:29.000They admit they're losing control globally and or domestically.
00:26:32.000That's why they're doing things nobody's ever done before in this country because they're desperate.
00:26:37.000Now, Roger, I want to raise this point to you and then get your breakdown of it and then how you see this unfolding.
00:26:44.000They're losing so bad with this in the polls, it's blown up completely in their face.
00:26:48.000It's causing the entire Republican structure to line up behind Trump.
00:26:52.000As you said, he's up 25-30 points now, and he was dead heat a month ago with DeSantis.
00:26:57.000And this, new polls are coming out showing him shooting up even higher.
00:27:01.000Everybody knows he's a martyr, everybody knows Biden's a pedophile, and his son's a pedophile, and Chinese agents, and the Hunter laptop, and all of it.
00:27:10.000I can sit back and I know the enemy's playbook.
00:27:11.000There's no way without them setting off truck bombs and blaming it on us or a mass shootings or a race attack or something that this is going to work for them.
00:27:20.000So I see the next card being staged violence to be blamed on us.
00:27:51.000Even now, we're reacting to a leaked story in the New York Times, then picked up by CNN.
00:27:57.000We haven't even seen the actual criminal indictment.
00:28:01.000CNN says there are 34 individual criminal counts.
00:28:05.000How could CNN possibly know that unless, of course, they have an illegal leak from the office of DA Alvin Bragg?
00:28:13.000Whether any charge in New York or in Georgia can actually get to trial prior to the election, that's a question I can't answer.
00:28:24.000I do feel more confident talking to constitutional lawyers and folks like Judge Andrew Napolitano, who's going to join me at StoneZone.live today at five o'clock, that it is unlikely that a federal charge in connection with anything that happened on January 6th or with the president's handling of certain sensitive government documents could get to trial prior to the election.
00:28:49.000So what happens when the deep state realizes that with each bogus lawfare attack on Donald Trump, he merely grows stronger, then I put nothing whatsoever by them.
00:29:06.000Notice that the Trump indictment news has wiped this horrific attack in a Nashville
00:29:13.000Christian school by a trans shooter in which a number of Americans were tragically killed.
00:29:45.000The other consideration here, Alex, is if we can manage to narrowly avoid being completely vaporized in World War III because of the shenanigans of this administration in Ukraine, Where President Trump has said peaceful and immediate negotiations and cessation of hostilities would be his single highest priority.
00:30:10.000Obviously, Biden can't even get Zelensky to the peace talk table.
00:30:30.000Just because they propped up this one bank does not mean that they can prop up all of the banks.
00:30:36.000Energy costs, once Joe Biden completely depletes our reserves, are going to skyrocket even higher.
00:30:45.000I expect the food shortages not only to continue, but as the great Tucker Carlson has exposed, only get worse because of the systematic destruction of food processing industries across the United States.
00:30:58.000Inflation is going to go even higher, the rate of inflation, based on the massive spending on this epic effort to stumble us into World War III.
00:31:11.000The crime situation in America is not going to abate.
00:31:15.000So what will the conditions in America be like on Election Day?
00:31:22.000Where the situation in the country is so unstable and the quality of life is so difficult that even Donald Trump, under what will be widely viewed in the country as a completely bogus and politically motivated charges, is turbocharged as a candidate and may in fact be unstoppable.
00:31:46.000Let me add a few tidbits to what you said.
00:31:48.000China and Brazil strike deal to ditch the U.S.
00:33:35.000We have a lot of work to do, though, going through all these hoops.
00:33:38.000But I went ahead and carved out time to be here.
00:33:40.000Robert Barnes is going to be co-hosting with Owen next hour.
00:33:43.000Then Dershowitz was able to come on today.
00:33:45.000What's going to happen is I'm going to host into the middle of the next hour with Dershowitz and Barnes and then hand the baton to Barnes to finish up the interview.
00:33:53.000Then Owen's coming in with a lot of other big guests and news as well in hour three and four here today.
00:34:00.000And then we'll be back obviously Sunday and with my show 4 to 6 p.m.
00:34:18.000I held Roger over because I had one more question about the timing and all of this and where it's going.
00:34:22.000When he heard Barnes was on, he wanted to also ask some questions of Barnes.
00:34:27.000So before I go back to Roger with this question to Barnes, and then Roger's going to leave us, any other key points you'd like to impart to the audience, Roger Stone?
00:36:01.000This seems to me ought to be all about timing.
00:36:04.000In other words, even a federal indictment that hasn't gone to trial would not present Donald Trump or prevent Donald Trump from being the Republican nominee and running a campaign for president.
00:36:16.000What do you think is the likely timing of a New York trial, a potential Georgia trial?
00:36:22.000Is there any way these, if there are federal charges, which I'm assuming there will be, trumped up, pardon the expression, federal charges, could any of this possibly all get to trial before the 2024 election?
00:36:39.000If the judge in New York does it by the book, then this is a case that could easily not get to trial until after the election.
00:36:48.000If, on the other hand, it's a politically motivated judge in New York, then you may see them try to rush the trial to take place long before the 2024 election.
00:36:59.000But you're going to have lots of motions to dismiss, motions on discovery, motions for misconduct.
00:37:04.000Yeah, you're gonna have an unusual number of pre-trial motions in the proceedings.
00:37:09.000New York is not known for the speed of their cases progressing through, so I could easily see this case being, you know, end up being in the, during or after.
00:38:46.000We do not know which judge has been assigned to this case.
00:38:49.000And sometimes there's one judge assigned for the bail hearing and a different judge for the actual trial in New York.
00:38:55.000So they can rotate that depending on how it works.
00:38:58.000I represented Amy Cooper, so-called Central Park Karen, in a New York case recently.
00:39:04.000And there, if they do it by the book, they can do it without creating undue problems for the president.
00:39:10.000If they don't do it by the book, Then they will be exposing how politically corrupted the criminal justice process is.
00:39:17.000But if there is any kind of ridiculous bail order or any kind of ridiculous gag order on Trump, that can be appealed all the way through the New York court system, but also to the United States Supreme Court.
00:39:29.000And I think this is somewhere where the US Supreme Court would get involved and prevent this from becoming a complete kangaroo court.
00:39:37.000Because you can't prevent, you can't use bogus criminal proceedings to prevent someone from being a candidate for office.
00:40:05.000That's where this is going to create a constitutional crisis.
00:40:09.000If state prosecutors are now going to weaponize their offices to go after the President of the United States or other federal office holders, this creates a major problem because all of a sudden any local DA can take out the President of the United States.
00:40:27.000It's a problem the court skipped over.
00:40:29.000They should have dealt with it in Nixon in better ways than they did.
00:40:33.000They should have dealt with it in Clinton in a better way than they did.
00:40:36.000They skipped it in both cases because of the politics of those cases.
00:40:50.000Makes Trump becoming more popular, already has.
00:40:52.000I go back to false flags, staging violence.
00:40:54.000That's why we need to be out against violence now.
00:40:56.000Do you have any other ways you think they can try to turn this around or in their calculus why they thought it was okay to do this?
00:41:03.000Well, in many ways, it's still part of the information war.
00:41:05.000Look, they knew in two impeachments that they would never get enough votes in the U.S.
00:41:25.000The real jury is the one that votes in November of 2024.
00:41:28.000And that is what they are desperately afraid of.
00:41:32.000So, it is why these legal questions and the timing are so crucial to how this unfolds.
00:41:40.000Last point, and that is, reporters keep trying to get me to say that when I talk to the President, he's frantic, he's hysterical, he's angry, he's out of control.
00:42:52.000And it probably is a bit of a weakness in our constitutional system that this wasn't addressed or resolved sooner.
00:42:59.000But I think this is, just as Trump exposed the corruption of the FBI, exposed the degree of power of the deep state, exposed the nature of the George Soros and Bill Gates globalist operations, just by his presence triggering their opposition publicly and exposing themselves to the public, Trump is now exposing how dangerously politically weaponized our criminal and civil justice systems really have become.
00:45:21.000So, Alan, thank you so much for coming on.
00:45:23.000Everybody wants to hear what you have to say.
00:45:25.000You've been warning about this for a long time.
00:45:26.000So I'm going to try to give you the floor here, sir.
00:45:30.000Well, I predicted this in my book, Get Trump.
00:45:32.000I knew that these district attorneys and attorney generals campaigned on the pledge to get Trump.
00:45:39.000These are Democratic district attorneys and attorneys general, and now they are prosecuting.
00:45:45.000Forget about the fact that he's the first former president to be prosecuted.
00:45:49.000He's the first presidential candidate to be prosecuted, and he's running against The head Democrat in the world, obviously, President Joe Biden.
00:45:59.000And when a popularly elected Democratic DA who swore to get Trump is going after the man running against, essentially, his boss, the Chief Democrat, he better have a slam-dunk, ironclad case.
00:46:13.000And I have to tell you, I haven't seen the indictment yet, but based on what I've seen, this may be the weakest case I've seen in my 60 years of practicing Law.
00:46:22.000So this is a great danger to American democracy and the rule of law.
00:46:28.000And I hope that Americans and people all over the world will read my book at Trump as a way of saying to Bragg, we're holding you accountable.
00:46:38.000You may not be held accountable in New York, where everybody votes against Trump, but we're going to hold you accountable around the country, in front of bar associations, and in front of the court of public opinion, because what you've done It endangers the rule of law.
00:46:53.000You know, today it's a Republican Trump.
00:47:27.000In America, an indictment doesn't mean anything.
00:47:29.000It's just a piece of paper charging somebody with a president with something.
00:47:34.000But and I think every American has to be very concerned about what happened yesterday.
00:47:43.000Well, I'm not a top legal scholar like you, but studying history, this has never been done before for a reason.
00:47:49.000Why has no political party in our 240 plus year history ever done this?
00:47:54.000Why is this such a constitutional crisis as basically every analyst is saying?
00:48:00.000And as we know, there was a thought perhaps to go after a former president named Richard Nixon.
00:48:06.000And President Ford did the right thing.
00:48:08.000And he said, no, we don't do that in America.
00:48:11.000And he endangered his own presidential reelection by pardoning Trump, which was the right thing to do.
00:48:17.000I had dinner with President Ford some years after that.
00:48:21.000And he said that was the most important and principled thing he did during his presidency, preventing a Precedent being established that you go after former presidents criminally, even though there was very strong evidence that he had obstructed justice and paid bribes.
00:48:40.000Here, there's a non-disclosure agreement.
00:48:42.000Thousands of them are written every year.
00:48:44.000Nobody in history has ever then put on this corporate form, oh, the reason I paid $130,000 was to make sure my wife and family doesn't learn about the fact that I was accused of having an adulterous affair with a porn star.
00:48:58.000Why would anybody ever pay for a non-disclosure agreement and then disclose it?
00:49:02.000So never in history has anybody been indicted for that kind of Mickey Mouse crime, and then they stitch it together with a federal felony to try to make it a felony.
00:49:11.000That's not the way criminal justice should operate.
00:49:13.000You know, Thomas Jefferson once said that for a criminal statute to be constitutional, it has to be so clear that a person who is reading it while running, while running, I could understand it clearly.
00:49:26.000Now, I'm going to read this indictment while sitting with 60 years of experience, and I can bet you that I will not understand how they could make a state felony out of a fake misdemeanor and a fake federal felony that nobody else previously wanted to prosecute.
00:49:43.000Mr. Jarvis, what's taking off your prestigious legal hat and putting on just an American citizen, you know, a historian hat?
00:49:51.000Why is the corrupt deep state bureaucracy doing a crazy Hail Mary like this?
00:49:57.000I mean, it'd be something if they had something to go after a former president, it'd still be unprecedented and explosive, but to do something with basically an unloaded gun, to threaten the world with banana republic status and not even have the goods, what do you think, just as an American, with your gravitas, why they're this desperate or why they're doing this?
00:50:16.000Well, first of all, I don't think you can say they.
00:50:18.000This was a decision made by one person, obviously, the elected district attorney, and he knows he can win this case in New York.
00:50:25.000Do you remember what happened to me on Martha's Vineyard?
00:50:28.000I defended President Trump in front of the United States Senate on constitutional grounds, and I lost all my friends on the vineyard.
00:50:38.000Everybody turned against us because I had exercised my and his constitutional right to defend themselves.
00:50:45.000If you just multiply that tenfold, that's what would happen to a judge in New York or a juror in New York who acquitted, who applied justice, actual justice to Donald Trump.
00:50:56.000He would never, ever again be part of New York life.
00:52:15.000And number two, you can't indict him if he's not in New York.
00:52:19.000Well, when do you think they indicted him?
00:52:21.000They indicted him when he was in Florida.
00:52:23.000So the fact that they indicted him when he was outside of New York means they could have indicted him any day during the seven previous years.
00:52:31.000And I think they blew the statute of limitations.
00:52:33.000Now, they will argue that, no, because he was out of New York, the statute provides that the statute of limitations holds.
00:52:42.000But it's a nonsense argument in light of the fact that they did indict him while he was outside of New York, something they could have done for years.
00:52:50.000The reason they didn't indict him over the last seven years, previous prosecutors looked at the case and said, there's nothing to it.
00:53:20.000Well, I don't know anything about that.
00:53:21.000I don't know what he'd be blackmailed for.
00:53:23.000He seems like an honorable and decent man and a good lawyer and he had a good reputation.
00:53:27.000But, you know, when you're caught up in the political winds and you're in New York City where nobody has anything good to say about Donald Trump, I don't mean nobody, but people, voters, don't.
00:53:39.000If you wear a MAGA hat in New York City, you know, you're going to get hit by a bike or you're going to get you know, attacked and physically attacked.
00:54:51.000And I'll tell you a recent interesting vignette involving me.
00:54:55.000So his lawyers have now said, oh yeah, he was a liar in the past, he lied to everybody, but suddenly God has come down to him, lightning has struck, and he's suddenly turned into a complete truth teller.
00:55:04.000Well, two days ago, he did a tweet about me, which constituted a defamatory lie.
00:55:10.000He suggested that I was on Jeffrey Epstein's island with underage girls.
00:56:20.000So you heard my point earlier, but I don't want to belabor that.
00:56:23.000All I'm getting at is we're seeing a massive backlash, and we know the Feds, going to your point, did not indict Trump on these same, as you say, non-issue Mickey Mouse garbage.
00:56:35.000So I guess I'm trying to just read minds here, but I just don't see how such an obviously explosive decision was made for the first time in U.S.
00:56:44.000And I think we can probably chalk it up just to the bubble that he's in in New York City.
00:57:10.000We know, reportedly, he got a half a million dollars from George Soros.
00:57:14.000And whether he got a call from Soros or just anticipated that Soros might cut back On his contributions, if he doesn't do it, this can't be based on objective legal standards.
00:57:26.000Nobody else would ever be indicted for these kinds of absurd non-crime.
00:57:31.000So, plainly, he succumbed to pressure.
00:57:34.000He was pressured by his two former assistant district attorneys, one of whom wrote a book, saying that they ought to go after Trump.
00:57:43.000But he resisted that pressure initially, and then he succumbed to it.
00:57:48.000I don't know whether he got pressured from other people as well, but this is not a righteous, objective, neutral application of the law and the facts.
00:58:57.000Can you describe for people, I know the courts have sadly not meaningfully enforced it in my view, but that there is a limit on prosecutorial discretion in the Constitution, colloquially known as selective prosecution, under the First Amendment, enforceable through the Fourteenth Amendment against the states.
00:59:15.000Do you think President Trump has a grounds to bring a motion to dismiss for selective prosecution and can you explain to folks out there what that is and what that entails and that our Constitution does in fact have limits on this kind of excess of prosecutorial discretion?
00:59:31.000Oh, there's no question that there are constitutional limits.
00:59:34.000Selective prosecution is a hard case to make.
00:59:36.000This one is so obvious that any court should see through it.
00:59:41.000Nobody has ever been prosecuted or will ever be prosecuted in the future for doing anything like this.
00:59:47.000If the indictment is what we think it is, we're not absolutely positive.
00:59:53.000There are also other limitations, ethical limitations.
00:59:56.000For example, A prosecutor can't put a witness on the stand who he knows or reasonably suspects may be lying.
01:00:04.000And Michael Cohen, my God, is there... If the word liar appears in the dictionary, Michael Cohen's picture is...
01:00:14.000I mean, he's the man who has lied to his lawyers, lied to the federal authorities, lied to state authorities, and I'll tell you a recent interesting vignette involving me.
01:00:22.000So his lawyers have now said, oh yeah, he was a liar in the past, he lied to everybody, but suddenly God has come down to him, lightning has struck, and he's suddenly turned into a complete truth teller.
01:00:31.000Well, two days ago he did a tweet about me, which constituted a defamatory lie.
01:00:38.000He suggested that I was on Jeffrey Epstein's island with underage girls, obviously that Oh, I'm sorry to interrupt.
01:02:12.000One, he can risk his bar card by putting Cohen on the witness stand, which would be a mistake.
01:02:18.000Or he can try to make the case around Cohen.
01:02:20.000Use people other than Cohen to try to prove what Cohen would otherwise approve.
01:02:26.000He may try to do that, but I suspect Cohen will be called as a witness, will be devastated on cross-examination, and then there'll be questions about Bragg's ethics.
01:02:48.000Supreme Court, in my view, has watered those down.
01:02:51.000But one of them that still exists is a prosecutor cannot knowingly suborn perjury or things like that.
01:02:57.000Do you think there's the possibility that perjured testimony may have occurred in front of this grand jury, including by Cohen?
01:03:05.000I do think so, and I think it was also suppression of evidence.
01:03:08.000Remember that Costello was not called as a witness.
01:03:11.000Costello, who was Cohen's lawyer, he was not called as a witness.
01:03:15.000Obviously, Bragg wanted to keep him from the jury.
01:03:19.000But he volunteered and he first essentially burst into the grand jury room and said, you're going to have to listen to me.
01:03:25.000And then he testified that the hundreds of emails that he had sent to the D.A.
01:03:29.000to show to the grand jury were never shown to the grand jury.
01:03:32.000So I think there'll be a motion as well for suppression.
01:03:39.000And we'll see whether or not there's also suppression of evidence under the Brady principle that should have been turned over and should be turned over to the defense.
01:03:50.000This is only the beginning of what will be, as you say, a very monumental case.
01:03:55.000When I think of the cases in American history, and I've written a book about that, America on Trial, going through all the great cases in American history, this comes close to the trial of Aaron Burr.
01:04:05.000the former vice president of the United States who was put on trial by Jefferson for treason.
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01:05:02.000I'm going to hand the baton now to Robert Barnes and Alan Dershowitz.
01:05:06.000Alan, would you like to get back to the whole Burr trial that you got cut off on?
01:05:11.000Yeah, but I just want to mention one thing about t-shirts.
01:05:13.000President Trump called me the other day just to tell me that he was going to endorse Get Trump, and he thought it was a great book that he hoped someday I'll vote for him.
01:05:22.000And I told him, look, I'll give you one bit of advice.
01:05:26.000Invest in a t-shirt company because once you have a mugshot, your mugshot will go on every t-shirt and it will sell more than anything since Frank Sinatra's mugshot.
01:05:36.000And it will be used probably as a campaign poster.
01:05:40.000And so that mugshot will become world famous.
01:05:43.000And I asked him if he would send me a signed copy of it.
01:05:47.000I need to hire you as my chief marketer.
01:05:49.000lots of lots of fun things posted and so getting his mugshot will be
01:05:54.000interesting too. That is a great idea I need to hire you as my chief marketer I
01:05:58.000didn't even that is now that I think of it that's that's a common sense but
01:06:02.000that's a great idea. Getting back to Burr for a second You know, Burr, as you know, killed Hamilton at a duel, but he wasn't prosecuted for that.
01:06:11.000He was actually sitting vice president when that happened, but he was prosecuted years later for treason.
01:06:17.000He tried to get a verdict of not guilty.
01:06:18.000The jury returned a verdict of not proven using the Scottish system.
01:06:23.000He objected to that, and the judge, who was John Marshall, the great Chief Justice of the United States, said, no, no, no, you're going to have to be satisfied with the verdict of not proven.
01:06:33.000But that trial, and then I would say some of the McCarthy trials, some of the civil rights trials, are the greatest trials in American history.
01:06:41.000The Rosenberg trial, there are so many.
01:06:43.000This is going to rank among them, if it ever gets to trial.
01:06:46.000There's a strong possibility it won't get to trial.
01:06:49.000It'll be dismissed on statute of limitations or other grounds, but You know, it might get the trial, and if it gets the trial in Manhattan, he probably will be convicted.
01:06:57.000And then it'll have to go up to appellate courts, and appellate judges in New York are also elected, and so it may have to wait to get into the federal courts and up to the Supreme Court, but my prediction is, in the end, if the indictment is what we think it is, it will not survive.
01:07:13.000There has been some talk, Professor, about the possibility of issuing a gag order.
01:07:18.000I see this as misuse of bail authority, a violation of First Amendment principles.
01:07:22.000Can you just tell people why there's constitutional limits on such a gag order, why it should not apply here, and what's the risk that the political pressure in New York leads a judge to issue that kind of gag order?
01:07:36.000Gag orders like this have been issued in the past.
01:07:38.000They are, in my view, unconstitutional.
01:07:40.000We have to take seriously the notion that every American is presumed innocent unless and until they're found guilty by a jury.
01:07:48.000Innocent people can't be denied their First Amendment rights.
01:07:50.000By the way, it's not only Trump's First Amendment rights.
01:07:53.000It's the First Amendment right of everybody to listen to what Trump has had to say, and there are millions of people out there who want to hear him say.
01:08:00.000And so I don't think it would be constitutional to impose a gag order or a travel restriction if he's running for president.
01:08:07.000But, you know, judges have a lot of discretion and a lot of judges have made a lot of mistakes about bail conditions.
01:08:14.000And so I hope that when a judge makes a decision, he'll think more about the Constitution than about what his friends will say about his decision.
01:08:24.000In the context of Michael Cohen, for a witness who has, as you note, the extraordinarily poor track record that he does in making contradictory statements by his own admission, a self-confessed fraudster, by his own admission, a self-confessed liar, by obvious implication, a perjurer, if you're defending the president, How much would you make the reliability or lack thereof of Michael Cohen a key part of the trial strategy?
01:08:59.000Oh, it's a very key part of the strategy.
01:09:01.000When prosecutors put on witnesses that lie and that lie to the jury, juries see through that and don't like it.
01:09:09.000Look, people credit me and others for winning the O.J.
01:10:47.000A lot of potential jurors lie because they want to get on the jury.
01:10:52.000Everybody wants to be on the jury in the most historic case in modern American history.
01:10:57.000So you're going to get a lot of people lying about a lot of things in order to get on the jury.
01:11:01.000I have to tell you, I think it's an impossible job to try to get a fair jury in Manhattan.
01:11:06.000And I would hope that judges would see that.
01:11:09.000The motion to get a change of venue is sometimes appealable if that's denied.
01:11:15.000So it might get to a court of appeals fairly quickly and a court of appeals might send the case to a different borough or to upstate New York.
01:11:24.000But we'll see if judges have the courage to do the right thing here.
01:11:28.000The right thing is to get the case out of Manhattan.
01:11:32.000And what do you think, I don't know if you saw recently the federal civil trial that's coming up in New York, where we'll get to see sort of a quick glimpse at what New York justice might look like if you're named Donald Trump.
01:11:43.000The court has ordered an anonymous jury.
01:11:46.000I've always been a little concerned about anonymous juries because it can create at least the impression of secret justice.
01:11:53.000The average person doesn't get to crowdfund or crowdsource, I should say, information.
01:11:58.000As in the Roger Stone case, we found out one of the jurors really had not been fully forthcoming.
01:12:03.000During the process, Blaine Maxwell's case raised some issues about that as well.
01:12:07.000What do you think about the possibility of an anonymous jury in the criminal case concerning Donald Trump?
01:12:14.000Anonymous juries are only anonymous during the trial.
01:12:17.000Their names then get revealed afterward, and their names get leaked.
01:12:21.000So I don't think an anonymous jury protects.
01:12:23.000Anonymous jury also sends a message to the jurors, you got something to be worried about.
01:12:28.000And it reaffirms the notion that if people knew you were on the jury, they might take it out on you either physically or psychologically, emotionally, or in friendship ways.
01:12:41.000I don't think an anonymous jury provides much protection.
01:12:45.000It may provide a little bit of protection.
01:12:47.000They also may try to get a sequestered jury.
01:12:49.000But in this case, everybody already knows everything.
01:12:52.000So sequestering them during the trial won't really provide the kind of fairness that is required to have a fair trial.
01:13:01.000I just don't think it's possible to have a fair trial.
01:13:04.000People are going to Render verdicts and judgments based on their voting patterns.
01:13:09.000If they want to see Trump be president, if they don't want to see Trump be president, if they like his presidency in the past and they don't like it, that's not the basis for which justice is supposed to be done.
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01:14:44.000Professor Dershowitz, what about the timing?
01:14:47.000In other words, the public has a right to a speedy trial, Trump has a right to a speedy trial, but it may not be in the interest of justice to have a too speedy trial in this case.
01:14:57.000What do you think the timing is if the case actually ultimately proceeds to a jury trial, if it gets passed, motions to dismiss, and things of that nature?
01:15:07.000What do you think the timing will be of an actual jury trial in this case?
01:15:12.000Hard to believe that there could be a jury trial in this case in this calendar year.
01:15:16.000I would think that will occur during the election year, which will make things even more difficult.
01:15:25.000I think I think the speedy trial and statute of limitations issues have already expired.
01:15:31.000I mean, these events occurred seven years ago.
01:15:34.000Can he get a fair trial based on the passage of time?
01:15:37.000And don't statutes of limitations have to be enforced fairly?
01:15:42.000But I do think that with motions, with possible appeals that could be made of motions, that we're probably thinking about 2024.
01:15:54.000In terms of the issues concerning the political weaponization and selective prosecution, Does this potentially open the door to Republican prosecutors in, say, some small county somewhere in the country, deciding, well, we'll indict Hillary Clinton now.
01:16:11.000We'll indict, you know, we'll find something to indict Barack Obama on.
01:16:55.000This, if the indictment is what we think it is, will have violated that rule and lowered the bar.
01:17:01.000And that lowering of the bar will apply to Republicans, to Democrats, and for everybody.
01:17:08.000And this is a case that endangers all of our freedoms.
01:17:11.000If you can bring a criminal case on the basis of this kind of flimsy evidence and law, that means nobody is safe.
01:17:18.000Justice Jackson once said, excuse me, that any prosecutor can rummage through the statute I'd find something to pin on somebody, and that's not the way American law should apply, and that rule, too, has been violated by yesterday's actions.
01:17:35.000Yeah, it very much feels like a Berea prosecution.
01:17:38.000Show me the man and I'll find you the crime.
01:17:40.000One thing that's always struck out, you know, stood out to me throughout this process is you identify in your book, Get Trump, and have talked about being problematic from the get go is usually sometimes when you have a high profile political person saying they're going to go after somebody, it's for something that's already happened in a clear criminal context.
01:17:59.000Like, oh, I'm going to go prosecute Enron or I'm going to go prosecute the white collar or whatever.
01:18:04.000Rare do you see, I'm gonna go prosecute that guy.
01:18:06.000I'm not sure on what yet, but I'm just gonna go get that guy.
01:18:09.000You know the old famous Berea statement that Stalin, show me the man and I'll find you the crime.
01:18:15.000To some degree, to what degree does this raise issues of due process?
01:18:19.000That if we see the indictment and we see laws being applied in ways that could not have been really on fair notice of most people, as you pointed out very articulately at the beginning, non-disclosure agreements are done all the time.
01:18:30.000Nobody puts them in their public disclosure later or their internal documents.
01:18:33.000Oh, by the way, here's my hush money payment.
01:18:36.000I mean, it defeats the whole purpose of a non-disclosure agreement.
01:18:38.000Now, all of a sudden, all those people could be criminally prosecuted all across America How much is there an issue of fair notice and due process that might come up in these proceedings as well?
01:18:48.000There's no question there is an issue of fair notice.
01:18:51.000There is an issue of what the law calls lenity when you have ambiguous statutes.
01:18:55.000They have to be resolved in favor of the defendant.
01:18:59.000It all goes into the concept of targeting, of get Trump, Of due process violations of selective prosecution.
01:20:23.000Sometimes we hear, you know, technicalities and people use that excuse for how criminal defendants escape as they view justice.
01:20:30.000In fact, these are constitutional rights and liberties meant to impose fair notice is a critical component of what statute of limitations is all about.
01:20:38.000and that the rule of lenity, as you mentioned, is about protecting against the AU defendant
01:20:43.000being wrongfully prosecuted in a way they couldn't fairly anticipate and how we interpret the laws.
01:20:47.000Could you remind folks that, you know, what other people call technicalities are the core
01:20:52.000to constitutional liberty in America? Well, my life has been a life of trying to impose what
01:20:58.000other people think are technicalities and I think are the essence of what makes America the greatest
01:21:03.000democracy in the world, that we have rules of law and those rules of law have to be enforced fairly
01:21:10.000Statutes of limitations are part of them.
01:21:12.000Look, we're seeing a challenge to statute of limitations.
01:21:14.000The Me Too movement got many states to eliminate statutes of limitations for rape and other sexual crimes, and that has created major problems because Memories disappear, witnesses disappear, and statutes and limitations have to be taken seriously.
01:21:31.000And I don't think any crime, other than perhaps murder, should be prosecuted beyond a certain period of time, five years, something like that.
01:21:42.000But they certainly shouldn't be extended after the statute of limitations has expired.
01:21:47.000The Supreme Court has said that would be unconstitutional.
01:21:49.000So there is a constitutional dimension to statute of limitations.
01:21:56.000Have you been surprised, I've been surprised to some degree that many of my friends on the left, particular but not limited to it, within the legal world have, in my view, abandoned a lot of their principles either because of political pressure or because of just like Trump derangement syndrome and the rest.
01:22:13.000Have you been surprised at seeing that and are you, while you predicted it and get Trump and forecast this is where the world was going, are you still surprised that we're actually here, we're to this point?
01:22:28.000In my previous book, The Price of Principle, I talked about how so many civil libertarians, people like my former colleague Lawrence Stroud and the ACLU, are prepared to give up on the Constitution in order to get Trump.
01:23:42.000When a group of people from the National Lawyers Guild organized an attempt to try to shut down and silence a federal judge whose views they disagreed with.
01:23:50.000The National Lawyers Guild is going to do that all over the country at a hundred law schools where they have organizations.
01:23:57.000And so we have to fight back for every one of our amendments.
01:24:01.000Look, if I were writing the Bill of Rights, I might not put the Second Amendment in, certainly not in the ambiguous terms that is there today, but it's there.
01:24:10.000And we have to fight to preserve it, just like we have to fight to preserve the Fifth Amendment and the First Amendment.
01:25:47.000It's wild card Friday on the Alex Jones Show.
01:25:50.000You've had Alex Jones, you've had Roger Stone, you've had Robert Barnes, you've had Alan Dershowitz, and now Owen Schroer, and Robert Barnes, and everybody talking about the Trump indictments today.
01:26:04.000But looking beyond Trump, as we have been here, Bob, the headline from townhall.com, the left's get Trump obsession now threatens the future of our country, and You know, this can be applied, I think, towards so many different realms, whether it's the realm of censorship, whether it's the realm of political persecution, whether it's the realm of virtue signaling to stop climate change by shutting off our energy.
01:26:32.000When are we going to realize that all the policies That all the politics of the left are going to destroy not just the future of America, but the future of the planet.
01:26:43.000This is just one example of what they'll do to Trump, they'll do to anybody.
01:26:47.000And so, how do we get America to understand that the modern day left is indeed an existential threat to humanity, to civilization as we know it?
01:27:00.000Well, we have some breaking news on that front.
01:27:02.000It appears, according to President Trump, that we now know what judge has been assigned the case.
01:27:08.000It appears there's been manipulation of the judicial assignment process.
01:27:12.000And one way that works is they claim that a case is related to another case.
01:27:18.000And it appears that the prosecutor has kind of helped manipulate the process, or the court, or both, to get Judge Marchand appointed, assigned to the case, according to President Trump.
01:27:29.000And as President Trump notes, Judge Marchand showed a bias, a lack of impartiality, a lack of respect, in my view, for his duty and obligation to be a true neutral in a criminal case in prior cases concerning the Trump Organization.
01:27:45.000And so it looks like they're manipulating the criminal process already in New York to get a politically biased judge assigned to the Trump case.
01:27:54.000And the risk there is that he tries to rush the trial proceedings.
01:27:58.000He tries to misuse bail to limit President Trump's ability to travel in support of his campaign or to raise funds for his campaign.
01:28:06.000May even try to issue a gag order on him to try to prohibit and prevent him from speaking either about the case or about a bunch of other topics.
01:28:14.000So you have one of the more politically problematic jurists somehow apparently assigned the case.
01:28:23.000It doesn't appear to me to be truly random assignment.
01:28:25.000That appears to me they probably manipulated it through something called related case rules where you pretend one case is related to another case so you can get the judge you want and the person who does that is typically the prosecutor.
01:28:38.000They did this, by the way, against Roger Stone.
01:28:41.000They listed the Manafort case as somehow being related in part to the Stone case, and got Stone in front of the same judge that Manafort had, and that was the judge that had been illegally restraining his ability to raise funds for his defense, illegally gagging his speech, illegally preventing his travel in the case of Paul Manafort, helped orchestrate the prosecution of Paul Manafort.
01:29:07.000Of course, you're talking about Judge Amy Berman Jackson, which Ironically enough was the judge that said, which should be used in Trump's case with the documents, and maybe Biden's case, the judge that said if you're the President of the United States there is no such thing as classified documents, you can take whatever you want.
01:29:23.000When Bill Clinton got caught with the documents, she was the judge that set that precedent.
01:29:27.000Now that precedent doesn't apply to Vice Presidents, you know where I'm going with that.
01:29:31.000But the point that you're making here is that We're talking about a rigged judicial system.
01:29:36.000Something that's supposed to be... I mean, you could argue the backbone of our free civilization is justice.
01:30:25.000Meanwhile, Stormy Daniels is going on a merchandise selling tour.
01:30:29.000I mean, that's how clown world this has gotten.
01:30:33.000Now if you're just joining us, we've got Robert Barnes on air with us here on the Alex Jones Show.
01:30:39.000Some developments in the Trump indictment.
01:30:42.000Trump says Judge Mershawn hates him and was handpicked by Alvin Bragg and Bob Barnes was breaking down this phenomenon on the other side.
01:30:50.000Manhattan DA wanted Trump arrested today, but ex-president's team said no.
01:30:56.000Now, I want to, we've looked at all the angles of this, but let's consider the fact that clearly they have done a lot of groundwork here.
01:31:11.000This is not something that's been thrown together willy-nilly from the judge to trying to get him arrested tomorrow, 34 counts, and the fact that they know this is the weakest case So weak that even the Feds wouldn't take it.
01:31:27.000I mean, statute of limitations, signed document, Stormy Daniels said she never took hush money from Trump, never slept with Trump, signed document from Michael Cohen said he was the one that paid Stormy Daniels, not Donald Trump.
01:31:37.000Plus, it is going to be impossible to prove that he did this for a campaign issue and not to save his marriage.
01:32:41.000Well, first of all, the Mar-a-Lago case blew up.
01:32:44.000As you noted, Judge Jackson, a Democratic liberal judge, had said the President can declassify anything he wants, anytime he wants, and that can't be a violation of the law for him to have documents that he can declassify anytime he wants.
01:32:55.000I mean, unlike President Clinton, who had his documents stored in his sock drawer, Trump actually had them in a secure S.C.I.F.
01:33:03.000So, again, he could declassify anytime, anything, while he was president, which he himself has acknowledged he did.
01:33:11.000So the fact they had labels on it means nothing.
01:33:13.000That means they were once classified, not that they were still classified.
01:33:16.000So the Mar-a-Lago case completely blew up when some white hat within the FBI disclosed that Biden had committed actual crimes while he was senator and vice president, and that Pence himself had issues, and so forth.
01:33:27.000And so they know the Mar-a-Lago case is DOA.
01:33:29.000They would have to likely bring that case in Florida.
01:33:33.000They could try to bring it in the District of Columbia, but that has its own political problems.
01:33:38.000The January 6th cases have gone nowhere against Trump.
01:33:43.000And so they never could get anybody to flip and come up with some bogus fake story about Trump somehow orchestrating it.
01:33:49.000And then, in fact, we now know it was the Capitol Police and the FBI and their infiltrators and informants who are actually organizing it and orchestrating it, as has come out in the recent Proud Boys trial in D.C.
01:34:05.000One, they got a complete nutjob, an actual living witch, who was the head of the grand jury, who was so loony that even Anderson Cooper said she's embarrassing.
01:34:15.000And the other problem they have in Georgia is, of course, you know, the governor is a Republican.
01:34:19.000So there's ways in which that case could be set aside, pardons issued, so on and so forth.
01:34:24.000So that's why they went back to New York.
01:34:27.000When Mar-a-Lago case blew up, They went back to New York.
01:34:30.000There's been a quid pro quo to DeSantis that they would get DeSantis to run and challenge Trump.
01:34:37.000But the only way he would do so is if he was convinced that Trump was going to be taken out politically by a criminal indictment.
01:34:44.000So they had to bring forth the indictment to get DeSantis to run.
01:34:47.000Now DeSantis has been deceived into running, but that ship has sailed.
01:34:50.000It's not a coincidence on the day of the announcement of the indictment, DeSantis puts in proposals to the Florida legislature to allow him to run for president.
01:34:59.000So, it literally happened right after.
01:35:02.000So, you can tell with the timing, leaks from Politico, New York Times, and elsewhere about this being a public discussion amongst New York donors.
01:35:09.000So, this was the deep state's effort to get DeSantis to run.
01:35:12.000This is the deep state's effort, in their view, to take Trump out.
01:35:16.000If you like Drudge, as we know, Matt Drudge sold Drudge Report several years ago.
01:35:21.000The people who run Drudge now are the political establishment.
01:35:24.000They last, yesterday, were bragging on the front page of their Drudge Report that they, on a fake poll, that said nobody would trust Trump anymore or vote for him if he got indicted.
01:35:37.000They believe they can get DeSantis to run by indicting Trump, and they believe they can get Trump defeated in either the primary or the general election by indicting him.
01:35:46.000Now, it looks like, even worse, they're going to weaponize the process.
01:35:50.000I mean, here, as we'll discuss a little bit later, this is a case where Trump is legally innocent, factually innocent, and constitutionally innocent.
01:36:41.000Do they try to hide exculpatory evidence?
01:36:44.000Do they try to put on perjured testimony?
01:36:46.000If they have a judge that is their hand-picked judge, which according to President Trump, it appears that is precisely what happened.
01:36:54.000Then what you have is a completely rigged case.
01:36:56.000A case with a rigged prosecutor, a case of a rigged witnesses, a case of a rigged grand jury.
01:37:02.000And then if you rig the judge, then you can rig the jury trial itself.
01:37:06.000So look for them to weaponize everything they can because they're that terrified of Trump.
01:37:12.000They're that terrified that if Trump gets re-elected, the American people will finally have an effort, a man committed to dismantling the deep state, who realizes his only mistake in the first term was not dismantling the deep state.
01:37:25.000He's learned the lesson that Huey Long learned years ago, where he said, I tried to negotiate with him and now I learned that you gotta crush him.
01:37:31.000Trump has said so publicly, said this next election, either the deep state wins and America dies, or America wins and the deep state dies.
01:37:39.000This is the deep state's last gasp empire strikes back effort to remove President Trump from meaningful office in 2025.
01:37:50.000And just in case anybody out there was confused, the Georgia grand jury four person was literally a witch.
01:39:29.000I mean, Bragg is again someone who just a year ago said he wasn't going to pursue the case because there wasn't good legal grounds to bring it.
01:39:37.000So clearly the deep state used all of their pressure points.
01:39:40.000This is a guy who took a lot of money from George Soros, a key Democratic congressman that was orchestrating Trump's impeachment.
01:39:47.000Alright, so let's talk about what this might look like.
01:40:56.000Is he going to spend some time in jail?
01:40:58.000Because Secret Service is not going to allow that.
01:41:01.000So I mean, how do you see, this is like a standoff.
01:41:04.000I mean, how does Secret Service let Donald Trump go out of, I mean, this isn't the right word, but for lack of a better term, how does Secret Service let Donald Trump out of their custody Or protection, rather, and put him into a jail cell in a corrupt district where, I mean, who knows?
01:42:27.000The Secret Service has certain protocols they're going to have to negotiate.
01:42:32.000The New York Prosecutor's Office is going to have to negotiate.
01:42:34.000Because Trump no longer lives in New York, they couldn't just raid his house, raid his home, raid his business, and drag him out.
01:42:43.000They couldn't do that because he's not inside the state of New York.
01:42:46.000New York's jurisdiction ends at its borders.
01:42:49.000And while DeSantis could have said a lot more a lot earlier, he confirmed yesterday at least that the state of Florida will not help at all in any extradition proceedings with New York given the constitutional questions surrounding this selective prosecution and legally dubious charges being brought against the president.
01:43:09.000So because of the Secret Service role, because Trump is not inside New York, because Florida won't even help in the process, that effectively puts New York in a position where they are at the whim of President Trump in terms of the terms and conditions of his surrender.
01:43:24.000So hopefully that they will negotiate that in such a way that we do not get some crazy perp walk, we don't get him put in jail.
01:43:32.000But we're going to find out, because it appears that they're rigging the judicial system in which judge gets assigned to the case.
01:43:39.000I mean, the random chance the same judge who did the Trump Organization case in a biased way gets this case is about 100 to 1 against.
01:43:48.000So that tells me that this was rigged.
01:43:51.000And so the question is, does the judge abuse his bail power?
01:43:54.000Does the prosecutor abuse his arrest power in such a way to try to put Trump in danger?
01:44:01.000Or just politically and publicly embarrass Trump?
01:44:04.000Or potentially restrict and restrain his ability and his rights in that process?
01:44:10.000In terms of rights to bail, rights to campaign, right?
01:44:14.000Now some people have asked, can they take Trump off the ballot?
01:44:19.000No indictment can take Trump off the ballot.
01:44:21.000No conviction can take Trump off the ballot.
01:44:25.000The presidential candidate Eugene V. Debs ran for office for the president while in federal prison.
01:44:34.000Now, bogus charges, the misuse and abuse of the Sedition Act that we're now seeing again in the January 6th cases, first tried against Eugene V. Debs, just for opposing the draft for World War I.
01:44:48.000But again, they cannot prevent him from being on the ballot.
01:44:52.000Cannot prevent people from voting for him.
01:44:54.000Cannot keep him out of the White House, quite frankly.
01:44:58.000So these efforts to manipulate charges in such a way to try to politically damage Trump, and their ultimate objective is to try to get some sort of sentence that they try to enforce to prevent him from going into the White House.
01:45:11.000But in the interim, they will likely try to misuse their power to limit his ability to campaign, limit his ability to speak out, limit his ability to raise funds, limit his ability to travel.
01:45:22.000And so we're going to see constitutional questions come up right away at the very beginning of this case.
01:45:27.000If they make the mistake of abusing their arrest power or abusing their bail power in the same way they've already abused their prosecutorial power, then I think you'll see even more public backlash against this in the court of public opinion, but you're more likely to see a higher court, including the Supreme Court of the United States, intervene in the case and clarify constitutionally when can local prosecutors derail the entire United States government For a political purpose, by taking out a political candidate, a political opponent, or a President of the United States.
01:46:02.000We just constitutionally cannot allow this to happen, frankly.
01:46:06.000And so I think that they may have to intervene if, in fact, this case continues to go AWOL.
01:46:12.000Because again, the president is factually innocent.
01:46:29.000There's no Trump text, no Trump messages, no Trump emails.
01:46:33.000Uh, that confirm anything in the indictment according to recent released reports, uh, and information.
01:46:39.000He's legally innocent because even if what they said was factually true about him, it's not a crime in New York.
01:46:45.000Uh, he's constitutionally innocent because this violates his fair, uh, notice requirements under the due process clause, violates selective prosecution principles, violates the right to an impartial grand jury by how the grand jury was convened and what evidence was presented, including subordinate evidence and exculpatory evidence excluded.
01:47:03.000In its selective prosecution in violation of the First Amendment targeting someone that they have never prosecuted for these kind of claims before for openly, overtly, admittedly, confessedly political charges.
01:47:14.000So based on that the charges should be dismissed.
01:47:17.000But we have seen what rogue courts do because it's the InfoWars audience that's witnessed it happen to Alex Jones and we've been warning Alex Jones is the canary in the coal mine when it came to social media censorship.
01:47:29.000When it came to the weaponization of the legal system, the same.
01:47:32.000Just as they violated his rights to bring motions to dismiss, his rights to bring anti-slap motions, his right to discovery, his right to trial by jury on the substantive merits, all of which was violated by both courts in Connecticut and Texas, we're now seeing the same political weaponization used here.
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01:48:56.000All right, ladies and gentlemen, let me just kind of hit the reset button here live on the InfoWars live transmissions for today, because I'm going to be with you the remainder of our live transmissions for the day, finishing up here on the Alex Jones Show and going right into the War Room.
01:49:15.000Now, I'm going to get into some news that I want to cover here, but for the entire fourth hour today, I'm going to be taking your calls on a specific question.
01:49:36.000In the next segment, when I open up the phone lines, unless... I mean, what... I'd rather have you not sitting on the phone line for 20 minutes, but if that's easier for the crew, would you guys rather me open up the phone lines now or in the next segment?
01:49:54.000We'll do it in the next segment, because I don't want people sitting on the phone line for too long.
01:49:57.000So, next segment, opening up the phone lines with a specific question.
01:50:32.000But before I do that, let's just quickly take a look at some other stuff that is going on that I think we are forgetting about or not thinking about.
01:50:46.000And this might seem trivial, and you may have seen this headline, And we all know the story.
01:50:56.000Jennifer Aniston says a whole generation now finds friends offensive.
01:52:12.000Because they're told all these different prerequisites about racism and bigotry and ableism and all this stuff that now jokes aren't funny, jokes are offensive!
01:52:28.000Now aside from robbing an entire generation of humans the ability to have a sense of humor Or the enjoyment that humor can bring out of life, even in your darkest moments, humor can still lift you up.
01:52:46.000Humor can still brighten your darkest days.
01:52:49.000And they have removed our tendency towards humor and replaced it with a tendency towards being offended.
01:52:59.000But I think it's worse than just denying an entire generation of children humor.
01:53:08.000Now you've got a situation where one of the great weapons used against tyranny, one of the great weapons used against lies, humor, comedy, is no longer going to be effective.
01:53:37.000Now you're talking about genuine organic emotions not being effective and now everything being trained with a stimuli to get a desired outcome.
01:53:53.000In other words, you're not laughing at the friend's joke on TV.
01:53:58.000You find it offensive because it targets an other or a group.
01:54:05.000And now this is how you're critically thinking about everything going through life instead of finding the joy in life and the humor in life.
01:54:18.000And then you can no longer see double standards.
01:54:22.000And then you no longer have any ability to self-reflect or have self-awareness.
01:54:28.000Because after all, what's the greatest joke of all?
01:54:31.000If you can't laugh at yourself, you're missing out on the greatest joke of all.
01:54:34.000So now this has all been removed, and you've set up a situation where an entire generation not only can't even comprehend, understand, or enjoy humor, or having a sense of humor, they are now these emotionless, mindless blobs that are going to be easily manipulated and deceived Into becoming mindless zombie slaves.
01:55:06.000So it's not about, wow, this sucks, we can't even enjoy old 90s TV or humor or anything anymore.
01:55:16.000No, this is, what you're witnessing is essentially a psychological lobotomy of an entire generation now that has had their sense of humor trained out of them.
01:55:31.000And once you lose your sense of humor, you can no longer recognize a lot of different things in life.
01:55:39.000Once you can no longer find the humor in life, you miss out on a lot of angles and perspectives, and you lose your ability to self-reflect and have self-awareness.
01:55:55.000And so, that's why this is scary to me.
01:55:59.000Not only does it sadden me that we could have an entire generation of Americans left humorless, it saddens me because now their minds are going to be so lobotomized that they not only won't understand humor or irony, It becomes a point where they can't even recognize fact from fiction.
01:56:25.000All they can recognize is whether or not something is offensive, or bigoted, or transphobic, or homophobic, because that has been their training.
01:56:36.000So now you approach everything you see in the world with, is it offensive?
01:56:57.000And you are turned into a zombie slave that will wear a face mask when you're told to, take a vaccine when you're told to, shut down your business, lock yourself in your house when you're told to.
01:57:11.000And even when your mind has been erased, there's been one edge, there's been one opening that humans have used To still crack inside of it and give it an opening for a vision, for a perspective that they didn't have before, and that has been comedy.
01:57:36.000Anything that is a threat to the left establishment, just like in 1984, Anything that is a threat to the leftist, centralized, authoritarian establishment will be eliminated.
01:57:54.000And that's why they're telling kids that everything is offensive.
01:57:58.000So you can't even wear a Halloween costume, you can't even make a joke, you can't say this, you can't do that, it's all offensive.
01:58:05.000And now you've got children like you saw in the movie Equilibrium, Or like you saw in Nazi Germany, that will turn their parents in because they have been turned into these mindless, emotionless zombies that only respond to stimuli of, is it offensive or is it not?
01:59:30.000But my question is, What would karma be for Donald Trump?
01:59:35.000Get arrested and persecuted like his supporters, or get back into the White House and go after the criminals that have been persecuting him.
01:59:44.000Those are my two basic layouts of how I see it.
01:59:50.000Or maybe you see it both ways, or maybe you think this is what he's going to get for Being a part of Operation Warp Speed, but I don't really know if that's really karma because the real proprietors of that aren't being persecuted.
02:00:03.000Although IS Fauci is being investigated, so there is that.
02:00:27.000Or is it for him to get back in the White House and actually arrest the real criminals that have been engaged in criminal activity and treason in this country, in Washington, D.C., for my entire life?
02:01:35.000We showed the video yesterday on the War Room of the creator of Libs of TikTok, Shia Rychik, finding Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez at the Capitol where she filed an ethics complaint against AOC for lying about her.
02:01:59.000And so she went with the Heritage Foundation's lawyers and filed an ethics complaint against AOC for lying about her on the floor of the Capitol.
02:02:12.000So, when she dropped off the file at AOC's office, AOC wasn't there.
02:02:19.000She went to the cafeteria in the Capitol and happened to run into AOC.
02:02:25.000Where she posed for a picture and AOC didn't even know who she was talking to.
02:02:32.000And so posed for the picture and it was kind of a funny little troll moment and then Shia said oh by the way I'm serving you an ethics complaint you lied about me will you please stop lying about me and then AOC called her a transphobe and ran away.
02:02:50.000Before I even saw this in the media today, I knew how the left was going to respond, and I was already planning on...
02:02:58.000This coverage, this response to the video that you see on the screen in front of me, but I knew how the left was going to respond, and it all ties in together.
02:03:07.000So the left comes out today and is saying, wow, this is embarrassing for libs of TikTok.
02:03:13.000This is embarrassing for conservatives.
02:03:15.000This is embarrassing for Chaya Rajchik.
02:03:17.000This is embarrassing for the Heritage Foundation.
02:03:19.000They thought they could troll AOC, and she didn't even know who They were!
02:03:32.000Actually, that's the entirely wrong response to this.
02:03:38.000Because what this actually exposes is not how unpopular Libs of TikTok is, the numbers speak for themselves.
02:03:46.000What this actually exposes Is something that has been the case for years, something I've heard Rush Limbaugh speak into my ears since I was a tiny little kid listening.
02:04:03.000The left, liberals, democrats, folks, they have no idea who we are, what we stand for, what we represent, what we think, what we say, or literally even what we look like!
02:04:22.000How is it that almost every conservative, I'm not saying we have universal, omnipotent knowledge and memory, but I mean, conservatives walk through DC, they know what politicians look like.
02:04:38.000They know what members of the media look like.
02:04:41.000I mean, how many times have I been out on the streets, at the airport, whatever, I see a politician, I see a member of the media, I start filming, I start having a conversation, because I know who they are.
02:04:50.000I know who my opposition is politically.
02:04:53.000I know what they all look like, I know their names, I know what they think, I know what they say, because it's important to me.
02:05:00.000I have to know what my opposition stands for, because now I understand what they're trying to do.
02:06:47.000They lie about us, they strawman us, and then that's what they actually believe.
02:06:52.000It's a pathological liar is what it is.
02:06:55.000It's the psychological phenomenon of being a pathological liar, where you lie so much, and you don't even try to find the truth, you end up believing your own lies.
02:07:08.000So no, libs of TikTok and Shia Raichig are not so unpopular that AOC didn't recognize her, or embarrassed because AOC didn't know who she was.
02:07:18.000No, AOC should be embarrassed that she goes on the floor of Congress and lies about somebody that she knows nothing about, doesn't even know what they look like.
02:07:27.000And the larger issue here is apparent.
02:07:31.000Leftists don't even take the effort to understand what conservatives are all about.
02:07:36.000They don't even take the effort, they don't even care.
02:07:39.000Before you can even have a discussion, before you can even have civil discourse with them, they've already cast you off as a racist, as a bigot, as a transphobe, as a homophobe, and it doesn't even matter the facts of the situation.
02:07:54.000Why do you think liberals call black people white supremacists?
02:07:58.000Why do you think liberals call gay people homophobes?
02:08:02.000Why do you think liberals call immigrants xenophobes?
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02:11:54.000So like, I think like, you know, the power structure just uses like, I mean, political differences are a real thing.
02:12:01.000And like, these people with TDS is like, is a totally real thing.
02:12:07.000I'm just, I'm just wondering, you know, I don't want this to be like a, you know, like, pointless thing to think about.
02:12:15.000But like, like when you You know, I think, you know, when they engineer all these wars and stuff, like they use people who have a, a, like a, like a bent, like a, you know, you know, just a feeling like how they're, you know, like their natural inclinations, right?
02:12:39.000So, I mean, I don't think that, like, obviously, like, the TDS isn't a completely, like, manufactured thing.
02:12:53.000Like, I'm so... I'm always, you know... Here's the problem, is that you always judge a man by the fruits.
02:13:00.000And, I mean, you can talk about Trump being the best president when we were alive, but the fruit is now either all rotten or dead, for the most part.
02:13:09.000I mean, if it wasn't for the judges...
02:13:12.000And the Supreme Court justices, I mean, I don't really know what fruit Donald Trump even has left to put on the table and say, look what I've done.
02:13:19.000I mean, it was real easy to reverse all the good things he did for Biden to do that.
02:13:29.000It's hard to say whether or not the knocks against Trump not being good enough when he was in office are very legitimate, and of course the deep state is coming after him because he didn't drain the swamp.
02:13:40.000Of course the swamp's coming after him.
02:13:41.000He said he was going to drain the swamp, he didn't, so now the swamp's trying to take him under.
02:13:45.000I mean, you know, so that's, alright Richard, thanks for the call.
02:13:50.000Wild Card, you're on the air, go ahead.
02:13:53.000Hey Big O, huge fan, I think karma-wise.
02:13:57.000Kind of like what Trump said in all his rallies where you play that song, uh, it's not, um, what you want, but you get what you need.
02:14:04.000And I think this is exactly what Trump needs because it's solidifying that, uh, if he doesn't do what he said he was going to do, or block her up, uh, drain Swamp, et cetera, that they're just going to keep coming after him, probably his kid, you know?
02:14:19.000And I think also, you know, don't forget he, uh, he got Rona and lost a lot of weight.
02:14:26.000Uh, so, you know, that in hindsight, I think is also going to play in with, uh, Rona numbers coming out, that he could also flip-flop back on Rona as these numbers come out about how dangerous the vax is.
02:14:37.000Cause he also said in, um, speeches that... Well, that's like the one thing he could do that might change some of the detractors' opinions, but I don't know.
02:14:57.000I understand why people don't like Trump, whether it's for his politics or for his demeanor or being, you know, the billionaire playboy, the ego, all the stuff.
02:15:12.000And, you know, I get people that get upset with me for saying I would vote for Trump again, even after what he did with Operation Warp Speed.
02:15:20.000And I explain that I'm not a political purist.
02:15:23.000And so I look at things from a pragmatic standpoint where somebody's got to be the President of the United States.
02:15:57.000And until you've really tried to become a A thorn in the side of the globalists, until you've really tried to become a rod in the gears and mechanisms of the establishment, until you've really tried to thumb your nose and eye gouge the political establishment, you really don't understand how they come after you, and how corrupt they are, and what it costs in that effort.
02:16:32.000And so if we don't support the people that go through that, and we don't support the biggest names, no matter how egomaniacal they are, no matter how many mistakes they've made, hell, I'll even go to the bottom line of it all, no matter how many people they may have killed with their policies, I'm going to support the guy that's actually trying to change things in DC.
02:17:04.000Because here's what has to be understood.
02:17:08.000Things in this country are only going to get worse.
02:17:17.000As imperfect as they might be, if we don't support the men and the women that are actually trying to change it, and actually trying to step up and do something, if we don't support them and we let them get destroyed, then the country's only going to continue to get worse.
02:17:31.000And you can live out your life as free and prosperous as you possibly can, until you can't anymore.
02:17:40.000Until you're in the digital currency, until you're in the social credit score, until you're forced to wear a mask, forced to take a vaccine.
02:17:48.000So you have to understand, that's what we're trying to stop here.
02:17:56.000Doesn't mean I even have to like Donald Trump.
02:18:01.000But if Donald Trump is a man who's truly trying to stand up and say, I see things are going the wrong direction, let's Get him going the right direction, and then he gets destroyed because of that.
02:18:11.000And I say, well, he had a blemish on his face, or I didn't like this.
02:18:15.000Well, then the next man that comes up and tries to destroy them, he's going to get destroyed.
02:18:19.000And then the next man is going to get destroyed until there's no other men left.
02:18:24.000And that's when the tyranny and the authoritarianism comes to your front door.
02:19:06.000But I believe the fact that he has a chance and that he has shown his sincerity, his loyalty, his patriotism, his giving, and also his karma will determine what becomes of Earth and America.
02:19:20.000And I believe his karma is going to be good because he's living right and he's doing the right thing.
02:19:25.000And you know, just to expand on this a little bit too, let's be clear here.
02:19:51.000So when I've gone through my political persecution and my arrests and all the stuff that I'm facing because I support Donald Trump, I don't look to Donald Trump for help.
02:20:02.000And I never asked Donald Trump for anything.
02:20:06.000If Trump has absolutely no understanding of that suffering, if Trump has no understanding truly of that, and he doesn't, he has no sympathy for those people rotting in the jail cells, and maybe he does, maybe he finally does, then it's going to take an experience for him to really understand what it's cost His supporters, and I would say at this point, what they owe him.
02:21:54.000First time caller, long time listener.
02:21:57.000Based on your question, I've been waiting on this question, Owen, to be posed to the Alex Jones community for so long.
02:22:03.000Because it is a passage of scripture that says, Whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
02:22:09.000Remember, when Trump came into office, the first thing he did was totally use his executive orders to totally wipe out everything Obama did instead of trying
02:22:20.000to embrace some of those and make them better. Second thing, Trump misrepresented that he was, he
02:22:26.000sold that he was going to drain the swamp and lock her up. Guess what? He didn't. So now since
02:22:32.000you didn't drain the swamp and locked him up, you have emboldened the swamp and made him
02:22:38.000more powerful. So, but take, to take down a president, which is insane.
02:22:43.000So now you can't touch them right now.
02:22:46.000Third thing, he started again on his campaign this time.
02:22:51.000Listen, if a person looked to you, Owen, and lied to your face to say they're going to do something and had four years to do it, and they don't do it, I can't give them the credence.
02:23:02.000And listen, I voted for Trump twice, but listen, I didn't vote for Trump for who he was.
02:23:06.000I voted for Trump because when you get time in your busy schedule, you can go look at my prophetic friend that passed, Kim Clement.
02:23:13.000He gave a prophecy in 2007 and 2014 and said everything that God was going to do and wanted to do through Trump.
02:23:44.000And Alex had all Alan Dershowitz on earlier today.
02:23:48.000He had the great constitutional lawyer Robert Barnes on.
02:23:51.000And what a lot of things they're missing, Owen, is they're assuming that this corrupt DA is going to give Trump a bail to get him out, to put him out on freedom.
02:24:03.000Look at the January 6th that you just said.
02:24:05.000They're locked up for over 800 days with no due process.
02:24:09.000That's how they're going to shut Trump down with these corrupt judges.
02:24:13.000You know, I gotta tell you, when I went through my turning myself in, I was afraid for the same thing.
02:24:20.000And I think they actually planned on locking me up.
02:24:22.000I'd probably still be in jail if we didn't make a couple important moves before that.
02:24:26.000Alright, I can tell this is a hot subject today because my text messages are blowing up.
02:24:33.000With people that can't get through on the phone lines wanting to share their opinions on what will karma look like for Donald Trump?
02:24:41.000I think we've all had a taste of karma, have we not?
02:24:44.000So what is it going to look like for Donald Trump?
02:24:46.000Is this persecution part of it or will karma be him getting back into the White House and arresting the real criminals going after himself?
02:24:54.000Let's go back to the phone lines and we've got Marvin in Alabama.
02:25:04.000Yeah, the minister kind of stole a little bit of my thunder that, you know, Trump is kind of reaping what he sowed by not draining the swamp.
02:25:11.000But the bigger picture, the flip side of that, is that his karma and our karma are interlinked, and they're one and the same.
02:25:19.000And so, you know, if we're looking for a strongman to fix everything, well that's not how the United States of America, the Republic, is designed to be operated.
02:25:29.000So even if he could fix everything, That's not the way it should be done.
02:25:34.000And the big drawback with Trump is he's never ever one to say, you know, I'm going to follow the Constitution and that's going to be my solution for all of our problems.
02:25:47.000And then when the deep state or whoever decides they want to persecute him or us or whoever, you know, He could have, back when he was president, came and made a case to the people and used his bully pulpit and said, you know, for example, I'm not going to shut everything down.
02:26:02.000I'm going to get all the experts in the world.
02:26:04.000I'm not going to listen to this creep Fauci.
02:26:06.000I'm going to, you know, get some of these guys that are saying, hey, this, you know, we're being kind of tricked here and whatever.
02:26:19.000Uh, the number one excuse I hear for why he went along with Warp Speed was so that he could get the credit and get re-elected because they were planning on delaying it so that he couldn't get credit for it.
02:26:31.000Well, that's not a good reason to do things.
02:27:02.000No, we do need a leader that's going to, I mean really, we do need a president that's going to get into the White House and actually Drain the swamp!
02:27:13.000I mean, there should be hundreds of politicians and bureaucrats being arrested.
02:27:24.000And it's going to have to be a leader, and it's going to have to be a leader that gets other leaders, and they're going to have to do that.
02:27:44.000I'm not going to be the one doing anything like that.
02:27:46.000And if that is you, you know, good luck because you're going to get infiltrated by feds and you're going to get arrested before you even know what hit you.
02:28:15.000We the people have a giant crevasse in between that is filled with this vitriol and these attacks and this hatred, so I don't know how that really works.
02:28:23.000So to me, the most pragmatic solution is...
02:28:26.000If we can still have an election result that we can trust, get a leader in there who's actually going to drain the swamp, is that going to be Donald Trump?
02:30:57.000I'm looking for somebody to get the government off of my back.
02:31:01.000I just point that out because I've got a little more experience, let's say, or credibility discussing this because I've actually been in that situation.
02:31:11.000I mean, that's why we have Roger Stone on.
02:31:14.000And that's why we have these other guests on that have already been through this and know what it's like.
02:31:23.000I don't want a box full of autographed Trump hats to give out on my show, okay?
02:31:28.000But, it's like, Donald Trump will send somebody who's never been in the streets, who's never done anything...
02:31:37.000Other than go on a show and support him, and he'll send them a box full of hats, and they'll send them a bunch of paraphernalia, and they'll send them guests and everything.
02:31:53.000When I can sit here and say, despite what I've gone through for Trump, and despite all the mistakes Trump has made, I still understand why Trump is the most important person to get into the White House.
02:32:15.000Maybe there's another dark horse that might come out of nowhere.
02:32:18.000Maybe Vivek continues to improve and say things that I do and like.
02:32:23.000But there's no doubt the fear that they have of Donald Trump is legitimate.
02:32:29.000And you can sit here and say he let him off the hook and he didn't do anything and I completely agree, but...
02:32:35.000I think the fear proves that he's his own actor, he's not controlled, he's not being told what to do, he might have bad influences around him, but clearly the deep state fears him.
02:32:46.000I mean, folks, they're going to arrest him over a charge that is past the statute of limitations and has two legal documents signed as evidence proving he's innocent.
02:32:59.000So, I mean, they're really totally persecuting him illegitimately.
02:33:46.000So, where I stand with this Trump thing, You know, in the beginning of 2016, uh, my guy in the beginning was, was, uh, Rand Paul.
02:33:56.000You know, I followed his father, um, for some years and had voted for him in 2012.
02:34:01.000And, uh, that was my guy, you know, then Trump came along and, and, and had really good, powerful things to say, talk, and the same thing he's saying now, he said in 2016.
02:34:13.000Almost, almost exactly identical, some of the speeches.
02:34:17.000So, Um, when it comes down to, I guess, uh, we're talking about karma with him.
02:34:23.000I, I, I don't want to, I, someday we, you know, I just want to say that that's, that's in God's hands and I think God will judge him whenever that day comes or whenever he meets his maker.
02:34:39.000Um, what's happening now to him is, is total political persecution.
02:34:43.000I don't think it's right, but again, some of the past callers mentioned about You know, he kind of shot himself in his foot with this one.
02:34:52.000I mean, I don't know if he understood how important it was to the people in 2016.
02:34:58.000The things he was saying, it was important to us.
02:35:01.000You know, we finally found our champion and it met something.
02:35:04.000We found somebody who's, we've just, it wasn't just a champ to lock her up.
02:37:00.000So I don't think karma would be further persecution by the deep state that, you know, he's been enduring since he came down the escalator.
02:37:10.000I think Karma needs to be him getting back into office, but in order to do that, to get support of people like The Last Caller and others that are on the fence, he needs to come out and say specifically who he's going to appoint and surround himself with.
02:37:31.000That has to be people with integrity, like Colonel Douglas McGregor, Scott Ritter, people like that.
02:37:37.000I think if he could convince Robert F. Kennedy Jr.
02:37:41.000to be his running mate, that would be outstanding.
02:37:44.000He needs to come out and say, Operation Warp Speed, from his perspective, was a great accomplishment, getting around all the red tape of the federal bureaucracy.
02:37:54.000But the way it was handled behind his back was obviously unfortunate.
02:37:58.000And he needs to come out, and he needs to own that.
02:38:01.000And, you know, he needs people like Carl McGregor to come in and be Secretary of Defense.
02:38:09.000In Washington that, you know, he can't have people like, you know, all these CIA people and neocons that he had around him to begin with in the first administration.
02:38:24.000If he really wants people to support him, we need to hear specifics about the people he's going to appoint, what he's going to do.
02:38:31.000And then not just the negative, we need to hear a positive message about, you know, things Rebuilding our infrastructure here, you know, having beautiful buildings and roads that work, you know, there's so much blackmailing going on everywhere.
02:38:48.000And, you know, Americans need something to be hopeful for, you know, the rest of the world's turning against us.
02:38:55.000So I think, you know, if he did that, the combination of those two things, I think, you know, he can get a lot of support and I think he could win and it would be good for the country.
02:39:06.000Well, I'll tell you this, if he does win again and doesn't drain the swamp or shut down these out-of-control corrupt federal bureaucracies, he's going to be a total dog.
02:39:20.000And, you know, I don't know if that's how history will tell it, but that's how a lot of his voters would look at it.
02:39:57.000That is really kind of the issue, because if you look at when Trump got into office, When we're talking about the, you know, us owning the, you know, we talk about the Uniparty and this sort of thing.
02:40:20.000Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.
02:40:24.000We didn't pass it on to our children through bloodstream.
02:40:28.000The only way that we can inherit the freedom we have known is to fight for it.
02:40:34.000Protect it, defend it, and then hand it down to them with the well-thought lessons of how they, in their lifetime, must do the same.
02:40:43.000And if you don't do this, then you and I may well spend our sunset years telling our children and our children's children what it once was to live in America when men were free.
02:40:58.000That really is kind of where we're all kind of coming towards.
02:41:03.000When you talk about, you know, karma, yeah, it's going to be bad karma for the Democrats if they really try to, like, the best thing that they could do is put it on television, put him in handcuffs, make him a martyr, and, you know, let it go.
02:41:19.000And I'll tell you, I'm going to support Trump.
02:41:22.000Even Trump had tried to drain, you can only drain the swamp, but you're only one part of the, you know, the entire three branches.
02:41:32.000So that needs to be taken into account, and I don't think people understand that.
02:41:38.000And it's very clear, and we need to be clear on this, that we need more than a unit party.
02:41:46.000We need to start getting more Boeberts, more MTGs, you know, more, you know, Kiproys in office.
02:41:55.000This is not going to be solved overnight, and it's Frustrating, because when I hear people say, well, you know, Trump was going to drain the swamp, he didn't drain the swamp, you know, he's only got so much power.
02:42:09.000And now the swamp is totally unified against him.
02:43:07.000I think Trump is going to get re-elected simply because I agree with Elon Musk and Chris Rock.
02:43:12.000I think getting him arrested is like arresting Tupac Shakur.
02:43:15.000I think this is going to only help him.
02:43:17.000But I think that along the line, I think he's not going to make the same mistakes that he made before.
02:43:21.000I think he is going to appoint some people and I think it's going to cause a national revolt because the last thing a vampire Democrat Marxist wants is a number cruncher in the White House looking at the
02:43:33.000numbers and Trump has stated he's a numbers guy. I think he is.
02:43:36.000And I think this is going to cause a national revolt and I think with everyone leaving New York, Illinois, California,
02:43:43.000I'm starting to see a lot of Californians now move to New Mexico out of LA.
02:43:47.000And I mean, it's, they're not going to have any more taxpayers and the problem with these people is they can't
02:43:53.000admit that they're wrong about the economy and the- Just say everything.
02:44:37.000Well, I hope he doesn't make the same mistakes he made the first time.
02:44:41.000I mean, as far as being a numbers cruncher, I don't really know how much that matters.
02:44:44.000I mean, he increased the national debt more than anybody, I think.
02:44:48.000So, I don't really know if he cares about that.
02:44:52.000Yeah, but he's, the thing is, is one of the things about Democrats, and I learned this in New Mexico, this is a major libtard state, and one of the things that I learned with a lot of Democrats here, they, um, what did Don Corleone say?
02:45:05.000Keep your friends close, but your enemies closer.
02:45:07.000One of the things that I learned is that Democrats are the biggest scroungers of tax dollars, and, um, I mean, they create all kinds of... They're damn heathens.
02:46:02.000So, you know, I understand that there is a potential threat, you know, if Trump is perp walked or, you know, if he's put in jail.
02:46:11.000I had a kind of a similar thought, but kind of the opposite direction.
02:46:15.000And that is, I just kind of hope nothing happens to this DA.
02:46:20.000Or this judge who are potentially going to be, you know, leading this case against him because that could really spark, you know, some violence.
02:46:29.000And, you know, they're going to blame, it's the false flag scenario, January 6th type event, you know, to really get people activated and violent against Trump supporters again.
02:46:41.000And, you know, I know that's not likely a scenario, but I just had a thought about that and wanted to see what you thought.
02:46:48.000Well, I will tell you this, that would be on theme, because as I've said, as some of the callers have said, it feels like 2016 all over again.
02:46:57.000I mean, it feels like we're reliving 2016 all over again, and that was one of the major stories from 2016, was the Democrats and the liberal media promoting violence against Trump supporters.
02:47:07.000We all saw it, we all witnessed it, out in the streets, at events, what have you.
02:47:11.000So there's no doubt, I mean, We'll probably get that whether or not there is such a horrific story like what you're insinuating could happen.
02:47:22.000I think we'll probably get that no matter what.
02:47:24.000However, they'd love to have some sort of a secondary January 6th incitement point that they can lie about and gaslight on.
02:47:37.000I mean, it's just like what they're doing with this trans thing, saying trans people are the victims after a trans person kills six people, saying trans people are being genocided, and none of it's true, and so what do they do is they stir up trans people to go out and commit violence, that are already mentally on edge, and so that's why they go up and they shoot six people in a school, and then they say, nope, that person, that murderer is The victim.
02:48:03.000So there's no doubt that's in their playbook.
02:48:05.000I wouldn't be surprised if they do something like that, whether or not there actually is a moment of violence or God forbid something bad happens to one of these Democrats.
02:49:54.000I used to do business with some guys years and years ago when Trump was the real estate mogul that did business with him.
02:50:00.000And I hear stories the guy was a good guy.
02:50:03.000He's done a great amount of good for the country.
02:50:07.000And that's what the swamped these Democrats on his back 24 hours a day.
02:50:12.000I mean, man, let's just buckle down and get this guy Elected, if elected is even the word, because I mean, how's he going to get in there?
02:50:25.000Well here's the thing, we've done the logistics, and I'm not going to go to the big board right now, but I mean, we've done the logistics, and unless they can clean up the system in Georgia, and in Pennsylvania, and in Michigan, and in Arizona, Then I don't think Trump has any way to win.
02:54:02.000Now, there's like this sub-transmission zone below the third dimension that's just turned over to the most horrible things is what it resonates to.
02:54:10.000And it's trying to get up into the third dimension that's just a basic level consciousness to launch into the next levels.
02:54:17.000And our species is already way up in the fifth, sixth dimension, consciously, our best people.
02:54:21.000But there's this big war trying to like basically destroy humanity because humanity has free will
02:54:27.000and there's a decision to which level we want to go to. We have free will,
02:54:31.000so evil's allowed to come and contend, not just good. And the elites themselves
02:54:36.000believe they're racing, using human technology to try to take our best minds and build some
02:54:43.000type of breakaway civilization where they're going to merge with machines, transcend,
02:54:49.000and break away from the failed species that is man, which is kind of like a false transmission
02:54:53.000because they're thinking what they are is ugly and bad, projecting it onto themselves instead
02:54:57.000of believing, no, it's a human test about building us up.
02:55:01.000And so Google was set up 18, 19 years ago.
02:55:04.000This was, I knew about this before it was declassified.
02:55:07.000that they wanted to build a giant artificial system and Google believes that the first artificial intelligence will be a supercomputer based on the neuron activities of the hive mind of humanity with billions of people wired into it with the internet of things and so all of our thoughts go into it and we're actually building a computer that has real neurons in real time that's also psychically connected to us that are organic creatures so that They will have current prediction powers, future prediction powers, a true crystal ball.
02:55:39.000But the big secret is, once you have a crystal ball and know the future, you can add stimuli beforehand and make decisions that control the future.
02:55:48.000And so then it's the end of consciousness and free will for individuals, as we know.
02:55:53.000And a true 2.0 in a very bad way, high of mind consciousness, with an AI jacked into everyone, knowing our hopes and dreams, delivering it to us, not in some PKD wire-head system, where we plug in and give up on consciousness because of unlimited pleasure, but because we were already wired in and absorbed before we knew it by giving over our consciousness to this system, our daily decisions, that it was able to manipulate and control into a larger system.
02:56:17.000There's now a human counter-strike taking place.
02:56:20.000To shut this off before it gets fully into place, and to block these systems, and to try to have an actual debate about where humanity goes, and cut off the pedophiles and psychic vampires that are in control of this AI system before humanity is destroyed.
02:56:34.000But this is an interdimensional force that wants to influence us to build something that absorbs us and kills us, rather than the divine free will we're given to build something much better that empowers the species.
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