In this episode of the Alex Jones Show, Alex takes a deep dive into the dark history of Epstein and the cover-up of the JFK assassination, and how the CIA conspired to cover up the truth about it. Alex Jones is a conservative talk show host and podcaster who has been in the business for a long time. He is a regular contributor to the New York Times, CNN, CBS, and other media outlets, and is one of the most well-known conspiracy theorists on the planet.
00:00:00.000And so this is just one head of this evil, pedophilic, satanic monster that feeds on our children that's now taking the mask off of the transgenderism and all the attacks on our children's very biology.
00:00:15.000Not to mention the Ritalin and the Prozac and all the rest of it that upwards of 30% of our children are on.
00:00:20.000So we've got a big stack about the war on children and the war on innocence and the war on our future via our children.
00:00:30.000Even before Jason joins us, I'm going to start plunging into it at about 33 after show, right after the bottom of the hour.
00:00:37.000To set all this up, we need to do a deep dive because I've covered all this at Nauseam before, but sometimes to big audiences, sometimes to small.
00:00:45.000You never know what gets picked up when it's big.
00:00:48.000And so it's important to restate all this from time to time, because a lot of you have been tuning in for 25 years or longer.
00:00:55.000Most of you have only been tuning in a few years, and so you don't know this.
00:00:59.000And I've got to tell you, there's a lot of interest on X and other places in this, and that it's very important, and it's been the top story weeks running now.
00:01:06.000Epstein's List and the rest of it, and the fact they're holding it back only makes people more enraged wanting to see it.
00:01:16.000Rallying patriots worldwide in defense of human liberty.
00:01:33.000And it's time for humanity to stand up in the info war and say, I don't know what's going to happen at the end of this, but you want to fight?
00:03:14.000If you can keep your head when all about you are losing theirs and blaming it on you.
00:03:20.000If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you, but make allowance for their doubting too.
00:03:27.000If you can wait and not be tired by waiting, or being lied about, don't deal in lies.
00:03:33.000Or being hated, don't give way to hating, and yet don't look too good, nor talk too wise.
00:03:42.000If you can dream and not make dreams your master, if you can think and not make thoughts your aim, if you can meet with triumph and disaster and treat those two impostors just the same, if you can bear to hear the truth you've spoken twisted by knaves to make a trap for fools, or watch the things you gave your life to broken and stoop and build them up with worn-out tools, If you can make one heap of all your winnings And risk it on one turn of pitch and toss And booze and start again at your beginnings And never breathe a word about your loss If you can force your heart and nerve and sinew To serve your turn long after they are gone And so hold on when there is nothing in you Except the will which says to them, hold on
00:04:35.000If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue, or walk with kings, nor lose the common touch.
00:04:41.000If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you, if all men count with you, but a nun too much.
00:04:49.000If you can fill the unforgiving minute with sixty seconds worth of distance run, yours is the earth and everything that's in it.
00:04:59.000And, which is more, you'll be a man, my son.
00:07:14.000There's a lot of blackmail going on behind the scenes and some big developments there.
00:07:17.000But I had filmmaker and former InfoWars host Jason Burmas on yesterday.
00:07:23.000He was hosting the fourth hour and I hosted part of it with him.
00:07:26.000And just hearing him rattle off, he's really good at collating everything.
00:07:31.000I was like, man, there's a lot of angles I've forgotten to restate about Epstein.
00:07:37.000Because as Burmus points out, I've been covering Epstein for at least a decade, and he reminded me of so much information, and people obsess on flight logs, they obsess on his so-called black book, but the big enchiladas are Manifest and Manifold and Legion.
00:07:57.000The FBI went and scooped up stuff out of his Zorro ranch, out of his New York sex dungeon, and out of his Caribbean rape island.
00:08:12.000But they did take photos and admit that they have hundreds if not thousands, dozens and dozens of boxes full of videotapes and full of CDs and full of computer hard drives.
00:08:23.000So when I say hundreds if not thousands, it's probably thousands of videos.
00:08:26.000I mean, you've got buckets, boxes just full of hard drives and full of VHS tapes and full of DVDs.
00:08:36.000It shows that it's going back many, many, many, many, many, many years.
00:08:42.000Because you got the VHS from 20 years ago, 25 years ago, 30 years ago.
00:08:47.000You got the CDs and DVDs from 20 years ago, 10 years ago.
00:08:56.000Box after box, closet after closet, room after room, and everybody is completely focused, including myself, even though I'm one of the first to ever talk about all this.
00:09:08.000Only because I was already hot on the trail because of Ted Gunderson.
00:09:12.000All those patriots that were exposing these networks, that's how I was aware of it, and I knew people in Hollywood, and was told some of the things they'd heard were going on, and also in the news, and a lot of this has come out in the news.
00:09:22.000I mean, Prince Charles, now King Charles, was in massive scandals, not just with his brother, implicated with Epstein, and photographed there with young women and the rest of it, the prince But also, ladies and gentlemen, the king himself, when he
00:09:38.000was the prince, the princeling, with Jimmy Savelle and a bunch of others, and the Savelle stuff,
00:09:43.000devil worshippers, murdering children, having sex with their dead bodies, I mean, that's
00:09:50.000And in the Dutch Netherlands, there were cases 30 years ago and 25 years ago where they caught
00:09:58.000judges and police chiefs and intelligence heads running dungeons with dead bodies of
00:10:04.000children basically in coffins, in boxes, and living children in cages, emaciated.
00:10:11.000And all the videotapes there got grabbed by the feds.
00:10:14.000There was the finders case that the feds did do their job in the 80s and they go into this warehouse because they cops In Florida, state police, if I remember correctly, pull over a van with sharp-dressed men in suits, with six or seven little kids, some as young as three, the oldest nine.
00:10:33.000You look up the case, Teddy Anderson exposed it, and just three years ago, the FBI actually declassified some of it on Twitter.
00:10:42.000And it led them back to a three-story, large warehouse that had satellite uplinks, camera production studios, and just rooms full of child rape porn.
00:10:56.000That actually hit the Washington Times, even the Washington Post.
00:11:07.000And so this is just one head of this evil, pedophilic, satanic monster that feeds on our children, that's now taking the mask off of the transgenderism and all the attacks on our children's very biology.
00:11:23.000Not to mention the Ritalin and the Prozac and all the rest of it, that upwards of 30% of our children are on.
00:11:28.000So we've got a big stack about the war on children and the war on innocence and the war on our future via our children.
00:11:37.000Even before Jason joins us, I'm going to start plunging into it at about 33 after show, right after the bottom of the hour.
00:11:45.000To set all this up, we need to do a deep dive because I've covered all this at Nauseam before, but sometimes to big audiences, sometimes to small.
00:11:52.000You never know what gets picked up as big.
00:11:56.000And so it's important to restate all this from time to time, because a lot of you have been tuning in for 25 years or longer.
00:12:03.000Most of you have only been tuning in a few years, and so you don't know this.
00:12:06.000And I got to tell you, there's a lot of interest on X and other places in this, and that it's very important, and it's been the top story weeks running now.
00:12:14.000Epstein's List and the rest of it, and the fact they're holding it back only makes people more enraged wanting to see it.
00:12:23.000That is a diversion within a diversion, making us chase after that when the holy grail of the evil they're involved in is the finder's case.
00:12:36.000And the different House members, Democrats, Barney Frank, with sex slavery operations that came out in Congress.
00:12:45.000He got up in Congress and said, if I go down for this, after they raided his townhouse, three-story townhouse, he goes, if I go down for this, this was like 15 years ago, he goes, you're all going down.
00:13:43.000So I asked Jason Barmas to join me again in the second hour today.
00:13:53.000And then I have a very interesting guy I've been watching for, I don't know, it's got to be more than a decade and a half on YouTube and places, and that's Brother Nathaniel Kaepner.
00:14:06.000And I think the guy is very interesting and entertaining.
00:15:55.000I'm going to come back, hit some border news and then right to the deep dive.
00:16:00.000All right, we're doing the deep, sickening dive that's got to be done for the children and for all of us, because the deep state intelligence agencies are using these pedophile rings to control the population.
00:16:12.000Hell, it even came out a few years ago, the CIA puts pedophiles in charge of Afghan towns.
00:16:17.000And like somebody supplying Dracula with children, they supply little children to them because they find they're the most loyal.
00:16:44.000So, shifting gears, but it's all tied together, the Senate has heard from Mayorkas that, yeah, they've brought in this year alone, this was a month ago, 400, almost 500,000 children, hundreds of thousands handed over to random individuals and groups, sometimes they have fake identities, the people have fake identities, and they can't find 87,000 of them.
00:17:07.000But one child gets kidnapped that's a citizen, black, white, Hispanic, it's all over the news and it should be.
00:17:14.000But when it's the quarry, when it's the prey, when it's what the globalists are abusing and using for slave labor and sex slavery, you don't see the Amber Alerts.
00:17:23.000You don't hear a damn thing about it, because the state at the top is running it.
00:17:26.000Now the military and Border Patrol are criminally, along with the bureaucrats, facilitating this.
00:17:32.000And look, this isn't about me being way ahead of everybody else.
00:17:35.000It's about the fact that being censored, where you had to come to Infowars or my show on radio stations, To find the show that the system was censoring this information.
00:17:45.000We were down at the border nine, ten years ago, six years ago, five years ago, four years ago, three years ago, two years ago, a year ago, this year.
00:17:53.000We haven't been there this year yet because we're in 2024.
00:18:08.000And you see 25, 30 year old College students or college grads who are in the NGO commanding the camps on the border.
00:18:19.000And if you go down to the Darien Gap, they run the camps down there.
00:18:22.000And there's UN signs, and we've shown them to you, and there's State Department signs, and they give them debit cards and money and brainwash them and give them leadership and then march them up in basically military formation to crash across the border and be springboarded, be launched, catapulted, cannoned, accelerated, Turbocharged, injected into the country.
00:18:45.000So the border doesn't just exist, it's a magnet springboard.
00:18:58.000And so everybody's like, suddenly, all over the news, trending on X, oh my god, we caught liberal NGOs running everything at the border, and then they find some little camps, That are side camps for illegals that don't get to the right point.
00:19:15.000So they get them together a few miles away and bring them to the right spot.
00:19:59.000You're not supposed to show Any of this, and the UN organizes them in all women groups, or all children groups, or all Chinese groups, or all Caribbean black groups, or all Venezuelan groups, or all Islamic groups out of the Middle East.
00:20:15.000It'll be all military-age men, a thousand of them, or all women, a couple thousand of them, or all children with coyotes handing them over.
00:22:10.000I mean, that's what's running the show down there.
00:22:14.000And when you go down there and you literally see rat-like communists and rat-like globalists scurrying around ordering the troops around and ordering the border patrol, I'm telling you, that's in command right there.
00:22:26.000Now, what do you, I don't know this, I'm speculating, what do you think that guy's got in his closet?
00:24:17.000All right, Vivek Ramaswamy is going to be popping in with some information and intel here in a few minutes.
00:24:22.000Then I will go through the deep dive on the globalist pedo rings and how they're using it for blackmail and control of our hijacked government.
00:24:29.000If you just joined us, Epstein lists to remain sealed until at least January 22nd.
00:24:34.000The judges now decided to seal it again.
00:24:37.000Right here with an overhead shot, you can see a copy of the judge's order right here.
00:24:44.000Where he says it basically it's at the behest of some of the plaintiffs.
00:24:49.000Very predictable that that would be happening.
00:24:51.000And you can see here in my deep dive stack that we'll be doing with Jason Burmas coming up.
00:24:59.000The FBI is hiding thousands of videotapes, videos, DVDs, hard drives.
00:25:06.000Used to blackmail Epstein's twisted clients.
00:25:10.000Meanwhile, a whole bunch of Epstein supporters and John Podesta supporters and mainstream media, CNN, ABC News, you name it, that came out and said, there's no pedophilia going on.
00:25:22.000Well, they've been arrested for raping toddlers and you name it.
00:25:34.000So we've got quite a lot that we're going to be getting into and going over.
00:25:40.000And the first thing I wanted to open up with is that this goes beyond raping children.
00:25:45.000They want full control of our bodies with the UN treaty to take control with their poison shots.
00:25:51.000And they want to turn us basically into creatures that have no rights.
00:25:56.000And I remember decades ago learning about out of China and other countries when they would force abortion or even infanticide a baby if a woman hit a second child.
00:26:07.000They would then take the baby and render it down and sell the collagen and the blood and the rest of it to be put into cosmetics and things.
00:26:15.000And people hear that and think it's crazy.
00:26:18.000But I have mainstream news from AP And other reports and Sandra Bullock bragging about using the products that we're going to be getting into coming up next hour.
00:26:31.000I know it sounds hard to believe, but the Epstein list, the client list, the flight logs let us know who was going there, but that's only One of many facilities he had from Paris to New York to Zorro Ranch in New Mexico that was a huge facility and it went way further.
00:28:32.000Now, I'm not saying the congressman did this, but this is getting a little suspicious.
00:28:36.000A whole bunch of Republicans are resigning to go get huge corporate or educational or governmental jobs elsewhere and it's very very suspect. We
00:28:46.000don't see a bunch of Democrats leaving. So this stinks of more of their
00:28:52.000attempt to do the Supreme Court attacking it all of it's very
00:29:26.000And I think people ought to remember, when we think about all that Donald Trump did for this country starting in 2016, America First didn't start in 2016.
00:29:35.000I mean, it got started in 1776, really, with George Washington, but even the modern version of it, it was the Pat Buchanans and the Steve Kings of the world.
00:29:43.000I mean, folks like yourself, too, Alex, that paved that groundwork.
00:29:46.000But in politics, Steve King was talking about building the wall before it was cool.
00:29:51.000In fact, he was dismissed as a racist for saying that we needed to build a wall with spikes on top of it.
00:29:57.000I think that actually would have been sensible policy.
00:29:59.000And they call him disgraced, all because he said we deserve to have a border.
00:30:05.000That's exactly right, because we deserve to have a border.
00:30:07.000He also favors other policies that I like, making English the national language of the United States, and otherwise they denounce him as a white supremacist because he talks about Western civilization.
00:30:17.000Actually, I've only gotten to know Steve King in the last couple of months, and I assumed he was going to support Donald Trump in this race, but he rode around Iowa on the bus with me.
00:30:26.000We ended up spending a lot of time together.
00:30:28.000I think what we realize is we have actually a lot of common cause on issues that nobody in this Republican primary other than myself, like literally nobody else, was taken up opposing eminent domain for the use of seizing farmland in Iowa based on a climate change cult that's based on a global climate change agenda that I will say it is absolutely a hoax.
00:30:47.000And, you know, we go straight down the list.
00:30:49.000I believe in certain nationalist ideas, positive nationalist ideas, like, I mean, I don't think nationalist needs to be a bad word.
00:30:55.000English as the national language, I think, is a good thing.
00:30:57.000Having a national identity is a good thing.
00:31:00.000That I'd pardon the peaceful protesters from January 6th on day one.
00:31:03.000But anyway, as we went through it more and more, we realized I think we had more common cause than maybe the media or anybody else would have expected.
00:31:10.000And so I thought Steve was going to go in the direction of Trump this time again, but he surprised me and I was gratified that he came over and made a full-throated endorsement of me in this race.
00:31:22.000And I think this comes amidst a moment in this race, Alex, where I worry that a lot of the Republican primary voter base, because the mainstream media is pushing a false narrative, is about to fall into a major trap.
00:31:35.000And it's one that you've been calling out for a long time.
00:31:37.000I think you have been way ahead of the curve on this.
00:31:39.000I came around to this in the last couple of months as it became more obvious to me.
00:31:44.000I think this system I hate to say this, because it's wrong and it's immoral, but this system is not going to allow Donald Trump to get anywhere near that White House.
00:31:56.000If you think they're going to just let Donald Trump get back to the White House again, Open your eyes.
00:32:01.000And I think that if I've seen what's happening in the last couple of months, the twist in this that I think really threw a wrench in this for me was I knew they were not going to allow a Trump versus Biden election.
00:32:11.000There was something else going on here.
00:32:13.000Gavin Newsom or Michelle Obama, which puppet were they going to prop up?
00:32:17.000But then you actually follow the facts.
00:32:18.000You open your eyes for the last several months.
00:32:20.000Who are the people that are supporting the lawsuits to keep Donald Trump off the ballot?
00:33:39.000And you see, as Tucker Carlson's pointed out, as I've pointed out, The trajectory of them ramping up, not caring about the law, not caring what we think, saying it was going to be a civil war.
00:33:51.000How do you see them not letting him become either the nominee or the president?
00:33:56.000Because I agree, the Democrats said three plus years ago, four years ago, they said we're not going to let him be the president one way or another.
00:34:04.000We'll use the military to take him out.
00:34:18.000So I'm not God, and I, you know, am not going to only one person knows the future and only one one entity knows the future, and that's God.
00:34:31.000Let's just look at the facts of the last 12 months.
00:34:33.000A system that begins with vocal protesting, that then goes to civil lawsuits, that then ratchets that up to state-level prosecutions, that then ratchets that up to a federal prosecution, and then another federal prosecution, then abandoning the judicial system altogether and doing this extra-judicially through an arbitrary person, a state from Maine or otherwise, to take Donald Trump off the ballot without any judicial procedure.
00:34:59.000What do you think is going to happen in 2024?
00:35:03.000I think they've made clear that this system will stop at nothing.
00:35:07.000And I think they're waiting for it to be a two-horse race between Trump and Haley.
00:35:11.000For the people who have propped up the Democrats for a long time, the Democrats' brand is slightly tarnished.
00:35:15.000And they have a problem, because if they take Biden out of contention, they have a Kamala Harris problem.
00:35:19.000So avoid dealing with that altogether, and just find a Trojan horse that actually is far more effective than Biden at implementing the pro-war globalist agenda.
00:35:27.000But also even more extreme than Biden at the surveillance state here at home.
00:35:30.000Say on social media accounts, tied to your government issued ID.
00:35:34.000Even Biden wouldn't have gone that far.
00:35:36.000That's Dick Cheney post 9-11 world on steroids.
00:35:39.000And that's why BlackRock, that's why she's Nikki BlackRock Haley, because they've got to have that for the central bank digital currencies, social credit score, the carbon tax.
00:35:47.000When they get that of internet ID, they can get everything.
00:35:51.000And then tie that to a central bank digital currency, it's the ballgame in this country, that's the whole ballgame.
00:35:56.000And so, that's where I think that they have so far, I think, managed to dupe much of the Republican Party on this, much of the Republican Party's base, good for the Republican Party, much of our base, I would say our America First movement, forget even the word Republican.
00:36:10.000Our own America First movement, I don't want to see us fall for this.
00:36:13.000And I think there's a couple of different ways they could do it, right?
00:36:15.000I mean, one is hear this talk about Nikki Haley as VP.
00:36:19.000Maybe, maybe they dupe Donald Trump into that, right?
00:36:21.000And you can, I mean, it's, it becomes pretty obvious what happens after that.
00:36:26.000But put that to one side, then there's the other path where you make it a two horse race, you eliminate Donald Trump from contention a different other way.
00:36:32.000Either way, that's the end of America First right there.
00:36:50.000We owe it to 17th Well, I do agree with this.
00:36:54.000If we make the Make America Great Again, America First, New Renaissance, America 2.0, America Reboot, about Trump only, he'll get old, he'll die, he's 70, you know, 7, 78 years old.
00:37:07.000No, he rode in on that wave, and I love him and he's great, and I think the Supreme Court's going to override a lot of this, but then I think you're right.
00:37:14.000There's a very good chance, and I hope this doesn't happen, they're going to kill him.
00:37:20.000If that does happen, be ready with you fired up and defeating Haley, because you're smart to go after her to position yourself if something happens to Trump.
00:37:28.000But I'll be honest with you, I don't think with this argument, that I think it's a real argument, I don't think that argument's going to gain enough traction for you to be catapulted.
00:37:37.000And I'll be quite frank, if they're willing to kill Trump, they're willing to kill you.
00:37:40.000So, I mean, is it more like you're saying we're going to have a two-man kamikaze mission?
00:37:46.000I don't need to be doing this, is the point.
00:37:51.000We've lived a good life and the easy thing for me to do would be to go, you know, buy a vacation house instead of an apartment in Des Moines.
00:38:15.000Open your eyes, people, because that's actually the plot that they've laid out.
00:38:19.000Whatever we can do to make sure that the alternative exists to take our America First movement to the next level, that's what we owe it to the country to do.
00:38:25.000So for my part, I will stay in this till the very end.
00:38:28.000I think that this is not the way I want to see it play out.
00:38:31.000I've done more than any other candidate in this Republican primary standing against this.
00:38:34.000I think what you're saying is you need to be Trump's main challenger, not Haley, and I 100% agree with that, because it's almost like if you were his vice president, that would mean they'd never kill Trump because they're just as scared of you or more.
00:38:45.000So what you're saying is you're like almost Trump's shadow candidate or his VP already, even if he doesn't pick you as the VP.
00:38:52.000I think what you're saying is you need to be fired up and so strong as a close second that then they won't know what to do because then they got two targets.
00:39:02.000And I think that then it becomes very difficult for them to play the scramble in the way that they are trying to right now.
00:39:09.000Listen, I know I'm interrupting Vivek, but on this I just want to say, that's why I've been supporting you is I've been quite honest with you about that, is I agree with what you're saying.
00:39:17.000So talk to me like I'm five years old.
00:39:45.000The second thing is, let's open our eyes to say, America first.
00:39:48.000This is our movement about the next 250 years.
00:39:50.000How do we protect against that outcome?
00:39:53.000If this ends up being me versus Donald Trump left in the primary, that's a win-win for the country.
00:39:57.000And I'll make the case for myself and the next generation, Donald Trump brings experience, whatever it is, that's a win-win for the country.
00:40:03.000But that's what we need to be focused on rather than, I think, go in the direction that you're playing one-dimensional chess.
00:40:09.000You would say, oh, well, let's, you know, people like me rally behind Donald Trump.
00:40:14.000Do not play the one-dimensional checkers.
00:40:16.000The other side is playing 3D chess or more.
00:40:18.000We have to actually skate to where their puck is going and beat them in getting there.
00:40:24.000And so my view is that this primary field is going to thin down.
00:40:32.000I think that that's something that allows me to at least do my part for this country.
00:40:36.000I think that there's a lot of ways this could play out over the course of the next year.
00:40:39.000Now, my view is that the Iowa caucus You can say this is self-interested or whatever, but Steve King, I mean, he's America's first patriot long before either Trump or myself.
00:40:48.000I think that those who ensure that I am strong in this race through the end, I'm asking for people's vote on January 15th in Iowa.
00:40:56.000That's something that allows us to make sure that our movement is protected.
00:41:00.000The America First movement is bigger than one man.
00:41:02.000I think that once we remember that, and it's our obligation to this country, that's what we need to protect.
00:41:09.000And a certain thing, Alex, I think that just to get philosophical for a second, what does America First mean, right?
00:42:10.000I'll pardon every peaceful J6 protester on day one.
00:42:13.000I'll pardon Julian Assange, to Douglas Mackey, to Owen Schroer, to anybody else who was the victim of a politically motivated persecution through prosecution.
00:42:45.000But the thing I'm saying, Alex, is what's interesting is at this moment right now, in this presidential race, Why am I the only candidate who can say any of those things?
00:42:54.000From shutting down the FBI, to stripping the vaccine manufacturers of their special liability exemptions, to getting Ronald McDaniel out of the RNC chair seat, to telling the climate change agenda is a hoax, that the carbon capture pipeline in Iowa is unconscionable.
00:43:12.000I think that, A, every other candidate, save for Trump and myself, is bought and paid for by the system.
00:43:17.000And between Trump and myself, I think that one of the things that they are trying to do, I think, and they did in some ways, is dupe Donald Trump to say that you get the Lindsey Grahams or the Nikki Haley's in there.
00:43:26.000None of those people are going to come within spitting distance of my administration if I'm in charge.
00:43:31.000And so all I'm asking people to do is open their eyes, think independently, and make the right decision for this country.
00:43:37.000And at the very least, do not fall into the trap that they've laid.
00:44:03.000And we need We need, if Trump really plays 3D chess, 4D chess, we need him to basically challenge you more, to elevate you even more.
00:44:15.000I know you're already doing a great job in grassroots.
00:44:18.000You're working harder than anybody I've seen other than Trump, and probably harder because you're younger.
00:44:24.000So I definitely get what you're saying.
00:44:26.000And what would you think about being a VP for Trump if he ends up, you know, getting the nomination, they don't kill him, we're able to push back the deep state, would you be Trump's VP?
00:44:36.000I'm going to do whatever's right for this country, Alex.
00:44:39.000I'm in this as a patriot for the country.
00:45:40.000You're doing an incredibly great job educating people, and you're doing yeoman's work, but I pray you don't climb over his dead body to be president.
00:45:52.000That's not what we want, but if you name the problem A, and B, I'm actually in this race and it becomes a two-horse race between me and Trump, I think that's the best way to prevent that from happening.
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00:50:00.000Alright, Jason Burmess joins us in the next segment.
00:50:03.000We'll go about 10-15 minutes to the next hour, then our next guest will join us, but I want more than an hour, because we've got, you know, 10 minutes of ads or so.
00:50:10.000I want more than an hour with Jason, so we'll go a little bit to the next hour, because I've got a lot to cover, he's got a lot to cover.
00:50:17.000Chase has done a great job co-editing this over the years.
00:50:19.000He's made films about it that we produced with him, other films he's made, and he's really done a great job because I had him on yesterday and he was doing the fourth hour and I was just realizing, I forgot this, I forgot that.
00:50:32.000Wow, because we've covered so much, it's like...
00:50:34.000It's crazy because I've been covering the pedophile rings, the Mossad, CIA, MI6 operations, and King Charles and Jimmy Savelle for 29 years on air because I cut my teeth at the foot of Ted Gunderson and General Parton and all these experts, former FBI agents, former top generals that explained to me how they were controlling people.
00:50:55.000And so I have forgotten more than most people ever know about this, but Jason's done a really good job at getting it all together with the documents.
00:51:04.000In about five minutes when we come back from this one little short 60-second break.
00:51:09.000But right now, I want everybody to listen to me very, very carefully because just like our information is game-changing, this is incredibly game-changing information.
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00:55:17.000What was really going on at Zorro Ranch in Paris, the breeding programs, the cloning, the secretly having babies, the sanguinating them, that's a medical term for sucking all their juices out, and having them injected into old men.
00:55:29.000I mean we're talking about they suck the baby completely dry put gallons of this stuff into them over a few weeks
00:55:35.000This is even nigar. Don't is a brag about this. Okay, and I told you this over a decade ago
00:55:40.000I got all this stuff from Ted Gunderson and General Parton and former top generals former high-level FBI
00:55:46.000They wanted to Gunnarsen to be the FBI director. That's a high level
00:55:49.000He was give me how far the FBI is falling apart. And so I'm hearing all this. They don't just rape babies
00:55:54.000They don't just have auctions of them. They don't just smuggle kids out of Latin America
00:55:59.000But they actually murder them and the finders case and just all of this
00:56:03.000And then after Burma's talks, we'll go somewhere in the next hour, there's another guest joining us.
00:56:07.000I'm a little running behind, so the next guest is on the last 45 in the next hour.
00:56:11.000I want to get into stuff worse than just raping them.
00:56:14.000And then it's, I've got AP articles and mainstream news admitting they're killing babies and then turning them into cosmetics.
00:56:31.000So if you can't handle them raping children, it's way worse.
00:56:34.000I mean, 400, almost 500,000 kids since Biden stole the election got in here and they don't know where almost 90,000 are in the Senate report.
00:57:19.000So give people the real deep dive until we go to break in 19 minutes, and then I'm going to come back and get into the areas I want and give us, you know, the million foot view of the whole nasty thing and tie it all together and explain that this is how they control things.
00:57:50.000Alex, you know I was going to begin with the Epstein saga all the way back to what we now know is at least publicly the first report to the NYPD and the FBI all the way back in 1996.
00:58:06.000You talked about the quote-unquote finders group and this was a group That had not only connections to the Central Intelligence Agency in the 80s, but the initial incident which if anybody looks at the local police reports that you can find on the FBI's own website, handwritten by the way, is so disturbing and egregious you have to wonder what was going on.
00:58:33.000These children who were extremely dirty were playing in a park and the adults that with them didn't seem to be their parents.
00:58:41.000When a law enforcement investigated, these people were connected to the internet before the internet.
00:58:50.000So they had all of this high-tech gear, the kids were clearly abused, and I'm not going to even get into how grotesquely once they had medical examinations, but we're talking about young children being anally abused, I'm gonna leave it at that, and really this whole thing was covered up but it led into what was essentially an underage blackmail ring inside of DC and we actually put a portion of it in the film Invisible Empire A New World Order to find
00:59:29.000Which you produced and what was so scary and egregious in that case is you had somebody who was sitting in Congress Barney Frank he was not out as a homosexual at the time but he had hired basically this young madam this male madam And this guy was running a brothel not only out of Barney Frank's apartment, which they had ethics hearings on.
01:00:16.000I'm gonna give you the floor in a moment, but since you got into Finders, they even raided this big warehouse that had all these satellite uplinks, all this high-tech equipment, where they were shooting child porn.
01:00:27.000This all came out and again the FBI confiscated it all, shut it down because it was CIA, just like they did with Epstein.
01:00:34.000And so now let's do the Epstein Deep Dive and then go through how this is a red herring.
01:00:39.000It's the FBI having the VHS, the DVDs, and the hard drives showing decades of this.
01:00:44.000Closet after closet full of obviously thousands of videos.
01:00:48.000You know, just hundreds and hundreds of videotapes, DVDs.
01:01:03.000And just briefly first, Now they're saying the judge is going to release it today after the judge put an order out saying he'll release it January 22nd.
01:01:23.000I thought the date was definitely going to be January 21st or 22nd after I saw this stay.
01:01:30.000This is Jane Doe 107 and really you're going to get a multitude of victims whose names have been blacked out.
01:01:38.000You talked about the tapes, and this is why 1996 and Maria Farmer are so important.
01:01:45.000I interviewed Maria years ago before her lawyers cut her off from individual interviews, but she stated back in the 90s Epstein literally brought her into a room.
01:03:33.000We don't really know, but we do know that they were entered into evidence and nobody, I mean nobody, Would have those stacks of hard drives unless there was important information on them.
01:03:44.000Now, what you're looking at, you can see right there, one of them actually says AV Shoot, whatever that means.
01:03:50.000Those are burned DVDs that are also dated.
01:03:54.000Now, if you are burning DVDs, this is going to go beyond PowerPoints or financial information.
01:04:02.000No, you can see labeled photos and video shoots.
01:04:07.000We've never seen what is on this material.
01:04:11.000And then on top of that, when we talk about photographic evidence, because again, videos were not as prevalent, say, in the 80s, when Epstein could have well been running this operation.
01:04:32.000At least we were able to see the labels on those.
01:04:35.000The binders, each of which looks about the size of a phone book, they don't even want to see you, have you see what it was labeled by Epstein.
01:04:45.000And again, that's just one of the residences.
01:04:46.000So absolutely, and there those binders are, this idea of a list is a red herring.
01:04:53.000In fact, I'd like to go over really quickly several individuals that have already been named as close associates and not been prosecuted by Epstein.
01:05:05.000Here we have Sarah Kalin who was criminally responsible in Jeffrey Epstein's sex trafficking scheme during the Ghislaine Maxwell sentencing hearing.
01:05:13.000This is something that was said by a judge.
01:05:16.000This is a mainstream individual that Has not been brought to justice.
01:05:25.000Both of these women are named again and again in some of the documentation that we're talking about today that will be further released.
01:05:32.000Then you have Nadia Marcinkova, now Nadia Marcinko.
01:05:36.000Now, And she's the one that set up what looked like this underage flight thing where they supplied stewardesses on private jets.
01:05:44.000And just to throw in real quickly, remember all the new viewers, you're hearing nothing about all the DVDs, about the hard drives, about the VHS tapes, closet after closet grabbed by the FBI.
01:06:06.000Absolutely, and really, what else did they find at other locations?
01:06:09.000Because everything you just saw there, and there's also a picture of a safe where they disclosed, yet again, there was not only valuables, jewelry, money, the passport in which Epstein had a fake identity, and a Saudi Arabian address, but also they found CDs and photographic evidence in there as well.
01:06:29.000Getting back to Marcinkova, If people read the documents and again started to become available five, six years ago, it's alleged that Marcin Kowa was bought as a young teenager in Eastern Europe and basically sold to
01:06:48.000So this is somebody that was indoctrinated into the system as a 14 year old if you believe these documents and really became one of the main people in the network, a trusted individual, and as you saw right there, a flight instructor.
01:07:03.000You know, when we talk about the flight logs that are available, Alex, I think that this is important to point out.
01:07:08.000That there were many different planes, helicopters, there's even talks of submarines that were in use that we have logs from or we don't have logs from.
01:07:19.000There may be institutions in law enforcement that have those logs.
01:07:37.000And how did that black book get published?
01:07:40.000Well, that was actually leaked via one of the staff, the butlers, at the Epstein residence.
01:07:49.000You can call it ironic, a dark comedy.
01:07:52.000He actually served way more time than Epstein did for leaking that information.
01:07:57.000Now, mainstream outlets, I want people to think about the gravity of this situation.
01:08:01.000A lot of people have seen that leaked video, Alex, of the individual on NBC saying, I had the Epstein story for years and they wouldn't let me report on it.
01:08:10.000Well, how about most of the mainstream media, at least the print media, had copies of that black book
01:10:17.000He actually made accusations that she was responsible for Kurt Cobain's murder.
01:10:22.000I'm not going to go here nor there, but he essentially told me he never came on air, but I have the logs and I've done videos on it that a lot of girls.
01:10:33.000Didn't make it out of the system, and when they were used up, they were either taken out to that desert and basically executed or taken out onto the water and thrown overboard.
01:10:43.000And he says he knows this because his daughter told him this.
01:10:48.000And again, I'm not saying that's factual.
01:10:55.000But let's talk about what we know is factual.
01:10:57.000We'll get into all the details and clips next segment.
01:11:00.000The fashion industry that was really funding Epstein, Peter Nygaard having women have babies that he then drained of their blood and marrow that he had injected into his veins.
01:11:12.000We'll play the clip, folks, coming up.
01:11:14.000I mean, this is a sick cult, and it's all about breeding a secret master race, something we know that European elites have been doing for a while.
01:11:23.000Epstein and them were just catering to continue this on.
01:11:26.000Well, the eugenics angle is 100% there.
01:11:29.000You know, you discuss Nygaard and you're actually showing video, if you listen to the audio, where they're trying to buy their reproductive organs.
01:11:50.000And you know, we didn't mention Jean-Luc Brunel.
01:11:53.000This is an individual that is on a lot of the photographs that they used in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial.
01:11:59.000This is another guy in the fashion industry and through some of the predisclosed documents in the last five, six years.
01:12:08.000You know, people talk about a quote-unquote client list.
01:12:11.000Well, there is a post-it note that is very suggestive that they were getting multiple Young girls for Jean-Luc Brunel and the reason I bring up Jean-Luc Brunel is he was actually in a prison last year in Spain awaiting trial for other allegations of sexual misconduct and rape.
01:12:42.000It's just that Brunel's no longer with us.
01:12:45.000You can believe whether he took his life or not, and you can believe whether Epstein took his life or not, but this guy isn't even going to face trial.
01:12:53.000And talk about not facing trial, yes, Les Wexner will not be facing trial.
01:12:58.000This is a guy That despite a rather, I would say, effective and persuasive Hulu documentary on him, it is not really associated with Epstein in the mainstream media and really has pulled out all the stops in legalese.
01:13:16.000But this is a guy that was behind Victoria's Secret.
01:13:20.000He was also heavy into US and Israeli policy during the Iraq invasion.
01:13:27.000In fact, there's a famous memo out there by Frank Luntz of the Wexner Group, in which they describe
01:13:44.000And they talk about filming pregnant women in tears, just pulling out all the stops to keep us
01:13:51.000entrenched in this military industrial--
01:13:53.000Well, Jason, from your research, because I know these agencies all do this, the CIA's been caught, MI6 has been caught, you know, heavily involved with King Charles, all of them, but this particular node or head of it seems to be predominantly Mossad.
01:14:07.000And we have the former Mossad chief always being caught, you know, inside Epstein's compounds, photographed leaving and coming.
01:14:14.000Well, let's look at Robert Maxwell, for instance, because this is, of course, not only the media mogul father of Ghislaine Maxwell, and Ghislaine being his protege.
01:14:26.000Remember, he actually died, folks, falling off the Lady Ghislaine, the boat that he had named after her.
01:14:32.000You know, before his death, Seymour Hersh had put out information saying that Robert Maxwell was indeed involved in the Mossad.
01:14:44.000Now, fast forward to today, Alex, and we've got documentaries out there that point to him also working with not only British intelligence, but Russian intelligence.
01:14:58.000And after Maxwell's death, guess what?
01:15:01.000All these papers in the Mockingbird Media, yes, even then, that had attacked Hirsch and said he hoaxed the whole thing and, you know, he didn't have real information, he didn't have real sources.
01:15:17.000Yeah, that's Seymour Hirsch, the greatest living journalist.
01:15:20.000Yes, somebody who absolutely deserves, you know, the Pulitzer Prizes that he won and deserves to be heard even today when it comes to the pipeline, Ukraine and the United States.
01:15:31.000By the way, he came on the show once and he is a listener.
01:15:33.000We're going to come right back on the other side with Jason.
01:15:36.000We're going to look at what this currently means and then go back in the history of it.
01:16:08.000About two weeks ago, about a week into being unbanned, We saw them put a shadow ban on and I made some phone calls and in two hours it was gone.
01:16:17.000They have third-party sites that monitor that and we went and checked and the shadow ban's been reinstated.
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01:20:21.000Jason, give us your take on what's currently happening, and obviously the blackmail behind the scenes, and it seems like mainly Democrats implicated, and who is going to be on that list that isn't on the flight logs.
01:20:34.000I feel like the flight logs are basically the list.
01:20:36.000We know there's more than just that black book that he was scribbling names down.
01:20:40.000The real things, the videotapes, the hard drives, the blackmail, we know what's going on, and the FBI and Justice Department suppressing this.
01:20:47.000It's not like Epstein wrote the book on this.
01:20:51.000Blackmail's gone on for thousands of years, but in modern parlance, it's, of course, the founder of the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover, who did write the book for the FBI on blackmail, and now they're the king daddies.
01:21:03.000They make Epstein look like an amateur, and now they've got all these goodies.
01:21:10.000Well, you know, I'm glad you used the term, write the book, because a lot of the names that I see being revealed are actually going to be revealed through what was essentially a book treatment of Virginia Gaffrey Roberts of her time with Epstein and on the island that had been put into evidence.
01:21:28.000So some of this stuff, again, in the public arena, but when it gets to these individuals, they are indeed blacked out.
01:21:36.000I expect I expect Bill Clinton to be on that list.
01:21:39.000I expect Ahud Barak to be on that list because of previous reporting.
01:21:45.000Where it goes from there, I'm not 100% sure.
01:21:49.000But for those that are interested, as of this moment, they are saying that these documents, despite that injunction, You know Alex, there's so much to go over.
01:21:57.000and all you info warriors out there that wanna get your hands on it,
01:22:01.000courtlistener.com will probably be the first place that you can get those raw documents.
01:22:09.000You know, Alex, there's so much to go over.
01:22:11.000We kinda ended the last segment talking about Robert Maxwell
01:22:15.000and his media and intelligence connections.
01:22:19.000And I think that when you look at Epstein, he has those same type of connections outside of the media.
01:22:27.000I think the intelligence connections are there.
01:22:30.000And that's not only shown by the fact that, again, the FBI and the NYPD were aware of him in the late 90s.
01:22:37.000But when his behavior became so egregious, and I want people to think about this because this guy didn't come from old money.
01:22:50.000Uh, if you will, by multiple underage teenage girls every single day.
01:22:56.000And that doesn't even match the depravity of some of these people that come from old money and are above him.
01:23:03.000So much so, Alex, that when he finally did so much of this, and so much had been reported to local police, that they had to do something in the Palm Springs case in 2007.
01:23:19.000Let's remember, this was industrial scale, where every year in the documentaries they admitted, and also in the depositions, out of the Palm Beach area they would recruit hundreds of girls a year.
01:23:30.000Epstein would complain of the exhaustion.
01:23:33.000He'd have to have sex with up to five young girls a day, as young as 13, normally from poor houses, trailer parks, things like that, offering mom money.
01:23:41.000And then they would go recruit more girls out of the schools.
01:23:43.000He would complain that he had to test drive the girls.
01:23:46.000And was just exhausted that he had to have so much sex with girls he was basically raping.
01:23:53.000And remember, in that deal that he cut, he basically got immunity for himself, and we'll get to that in a moment.
01:24:00.000But he got immunity for undisclosed, unnamed individuals.
01:24:05.000Now, whether or not those are some of the individuals that we mentioned before, we still don't know because these documents have not been released to the public.
01:24:14.000But let's talk about his incarceration for a moment.
01:24:19.000Literally was able to leave at will he was followed by a private investigator somebody that was supposed to be in the prison system was leaving every single day going to private residences and again having females come in and service him throughout the entire time period that he supposedly served time in jail and then when he got out of The mainstream media essentially forgot about that instance and in many ways was trying to rebrand Epstein.
01:24:54.000So you look at not only that but then after 2007 and this arrest that ends up coming up in 2017.
01:24:59.000And this arrest that ends up coming up in 2017.
01:25:22.000And quite frankly, when we got to the 2016 election and people in the circles that had watched Alternative Media, had watched this broadcast, the Alex Jones Show, were just fed up with this network and Epstein and nothing being done.
01:25:40.000Let me just add, we got you till 15 next hour and I want to finish up with Epstein now,
01:25:44.000people kind of know about him and I want to get big picture and then I want to look at
01:26:16.000would put all these mayors in Afghan towns, that was even in the Associated Press,
01:26:20.000who were convicted pedophiles and give them children because they found they were the most
01:26:23.000loyal. But when you pull back and you look at this, this is really their control system. I
01:26:29.000want your view and your take and your expert view, and we produced films decades ago on this,
01:26:33.000you and I, on how big this network is and how do we defeat them.
01:26:39.000Because it's hiding in plain view that MI6, MI5, CIA, Mossad, Interpol's huge unit, there's been massive child kidnapping, rape rings that came out of the Netherlands and France, and Rothschild castles with kidnapped women and children found in the London Guardian reports, you know, 25 years ago.
01:26:58.000UN worldwide, sex slavery rings in Europe and in Haiti, and thousands of kids kidnapped and shipped out of Hillary's Head of her foundation goes to prison for smuggling little kids illegally into the U.S.
01:27:08.000that disappear, then the current open borders and the mass smuggling and sex slavery of children and Senate reports.
01:27:16.000Then the transgenderism and sexually targeting children to confuse them and move them to be sterilized.
01:27:22.000I mean, it's about targeting our children.
01:27:23.000So, give us your summation, then we'll get into more details of why they're doing this, what they're going to do next, how much danger the globalists are in, and how do we get attention on the Justice Department, not just suppressing Wiener's laptop, which you know is full of this, and tied to Hillary and Uma Abedin and, you know, Chuckie Schumer, but it's just, it's everywhere!
01:27:52.000I mean, you can't shake a stick in the dark and not hit one of these things.
01:27:58.000Well, you know, these rings are vast and, you know, going back to where I was going with that, I just wanted to say that, you know, the spark that lit the fire under this coming out was really Donald Trump stepping up to the plate and making that initial comment about Bill Clinton and his relationship to Epstein via that Hannity interview when he was running.
01:28:20.000So, you know, this is a guy that Trump absolutely had a relationship with Epstein, but was confident enough that that relationship was nothing like the one that Bill Clinton had had.
01:28:30.000How big is this network and what is this network?
01:28:34.000You know, Alex, I think that this is an international intelligence operation.
01:28:39.000I think that it's absolutely outside of nation states.
01:28:44.000We've used terms like diplomatic immunity to kind of funnel through the vast intelligentsia systems around the globe, and then we've used a lot of these corporations to kind of integrate them into what I would call is beyond phony capitalism at this point, into this techno-fascism.
01:29:05.000And the way that they're able to do this is they do use the entertainment industry and the modeling industry.
01:29:11.000You know, a lot of these young Let's go back.
01:29:14.000that actually do make it through and into their 20s.
01:30:02.000But before we do that, because I promised this, here's a clip A national news anchor saying they covered it up.
01:30:10.000She doesn't even care that kids got hurt.
01:30:11.000She just cares she couldn't break the story.
01:30:13.000Here's the widow of John McCain admitting it.
01:30:16.000Here's Bill Gates' now ex-wife admitting it all.
01:30:20.000And then I'm gonna just play those three clips, and then I'm gonna segue into the Peter Nygaard clip
01:30:24.000I talked about, and then the details in court documents said that he would pay the women to have it
01:30:29.000first trimester for one procedure, suck the baby dry and inject it in his veins.
01:30:32.000There's video of him doing it and bragging.
01:30:34.000And then sometimes they'd have the women at nine months, and he would get underage girls pregnant as well, because he tells them the younger the better, and then he would suck the baby dry.
01:30:43.000So his own child, he said, had better stem cells and inject it in himself.
01:30:47.000So this isn't fabled Bram Stoker's, you know, Dracula.
01:30:51.000Okay, this is... And not only that, Alex, he was drugging and raping a lot of those underage girls, and really one of the... We're going to get to it.
01:31:13.000You know, it was also widely reported that Bill had a friendship or business or some kind of contact with Jeffrey Epstein and that you were not, that that was very upsetting to you.
01:31:23.000Did that play a role in the divorce at all in this process?
01:31:27.000Yeah, as I said, it's not one thing, it was many things.
01:31:32.000But I did not like that he'd had meetings with Jeffrey Epstein, no.
01:33:01.000I tried for three years to get it on to no avail and now it's all coming out and it's like these new revelations and I freaking had all of it.
01:33:23.000Brad Edwards, the attorney, three years ago saying, like, there will come a day when we will realize Jeffrey Epstein was the most prolific pedophile this country has ever known.
01:36:06.000He's not living forever, but it's a spirit in him that wants to live forever that's literally creating a clone of himself or a baby with these women, they did both, and then sucking it dry.
01:36:18.000So the Dark Crystals are a movie, but this is really going on.
01:36:21.000Jason Burmess, Well, he also looks physically like Bram Stoker's Dracula.
01:36:27.000He could look more physically like that guy.
01:36:31.000And as you said, you know, it's actually a lot worse.
01:36:33.000You know, the allegations are that he was drugging and raping girls as young as 14.
01:36:39.000And it was actually his son, Alex, that was instrumental in finally getting the authorities to arrest him and put him behind bars.
01:36:49.000recently convicted in just one of these cases.
01:37:58.000I think it's devastating to the narrative.
01:38:01.000However, you know, in light of the fact that we know that they have all of this hardcore material, the tapes, the pictures, the logs, the burned DVDs, it seems like if they wanted to really take some of these individuals Well, again, that's now been in possession of the Justice Department for the better part of a decade.
01:38:27.000Nothing has been done there, and we saw the same exact thing.
01:38:41.000People want to know now, so we're there to let them know this is key to bring down the system.
01:38:45.000I cover what I want to cover all the time, but also when stuff comes back and the planets are aligned and people want to hear the truth, I do it.
01:38:51.000The bottom line of what you're saying is it's true, is the FBI, the Justice Department, knows all this is going on.
01:38:59.000When it gets caught, another agency comes and grabs it, just like J. Edgar Hoover did, and then they use it for power, and there's no doubt they're using it for blackmail and to control the government.
01:39:08.000I mean, is the Justice Department really the dictatorship?
01:39:12.000Is the real President Merrick Garland right now?
01:39:16.000Well, I don't know if it's Merrick Garland, but I would argue that Bill Barr managed the Epstein situation throughout not only his arrest, but his eventual second suicide, Alex.
01:39:30.000And then, after the fact, literally laughed about it on television.
01:39:34.000And if you want, when we come back, we can cue up that clip when he's asked about the possible uh... suicide situation of the lane maxwell and he
01:39:44.000literally burst all-news and i must say there are you can find him on rockfinn
01:39:49.000adjacent vermus and adjacent vermus on x
01:39:52.000and will also get another club uh... where gates makes a joke
01:39:57.000you hear a feverishness to my voice were caught a deep dive and we'll be pretty
01:40:02.000body else does but still just the service That's why I'm jumping over Burmese, he's jumping over me, because we've studied this, and it's just so deep, it's so out there.
01:40:47.000Then he's in the Justice Department working with good buddies that will also come up in the Justice Department at the time, like Robert Mueller.
01:40:58.000And then he is actually the youngest Attorney General ever under what I would consider the most outwardly deep state president of all time, George H.W.
01:41:16.000Now fast forward to this Epstein incident and now this story was later retracted.
01:41:23.000I want to make that abundantly clear but it was reported before Epstein's death that Bill Barr had allegedly gone to the jail.
01:41:33.000In fact it was in this story and on the bottom is the retraction and apparently they got it from a mafioso individual but After the fact there is almost no doubt that Barr managed this and what they don't tell you about that Epstein suicide is in that same prison they held El Chapo and when they had the hearings and they had the warden under oath and they asked when the last time they had had a suicide in that prison
01:42:30.000I want to remind people of that because in the first incident, he was actually a somme
01:42:35.000with a man named Nicholas Tartiglione, who was a former police officer.
01:42:41.000And if you ever saw the pictures of him, roid rage would not describe his physical appearance.
01:42:48.000Also, he was charged with the crime and I do believe later convicted of it was either
01:42:54.000a triple or quadruple murder in which he took these people out to a upstate New York farm
01:43:01.000in what they thought was a drug deal and it was really their execution.
01:43:06.000That's the kind of guy they're dealing with and it was Epstein's lawyers after the quote
01:43:12.000First suicide attempt that came out and conveyed that Epstein had said he had been strangled by Tartiglione and that's what actually happened in the first incident.
01:44:00.000He was a front man for the Mossad, CIA, MI6.
01:44:04.000I just want, when we come back, to talk about where you see this going and what we can do to put pressure on the Justice Department and the FBI so it's not about the list, it's about the videotapes, it's about the hard drives.
01:45:18.000And Al Gore takes children's blood every day.
01:45:21.000And then like five years later, it's an AP that he's getting off a private jet in a small refrigerator, bust open with bags of blood everywhere.
01:48:49.000And we'll just do two, three hours commercial-free and just blow people away because this is important.
01:48:54.000It's how this deep state has this current coup d'etat against America.
01:48:57.000They're using the same management system around the world.
01:49:01.000Absolutely, and Alex, what I think that we do need to do is we've got to hold those guys right there that are laughing in our face in public accountable somehow, some way.
01:49:11.000We have to bring back the spirit of at least Iran-Contra, which was the last time in this country the deep state, the continuity of government, the shadow government, whatever you wanted to call it, was at least exposed to the level where there was some accountability.
01:49:27.000We need Some type of accountability, criminal accountability in this Epstein case that goes beyond Ghislaine Maxwell and into the arena of the compromised politicians, into the arena of the
01:49:43.000Those that enable this not only in the intelligence agencies, but these private networks that we've discussing obviously in the arena of fashion and entertainment as well.
01:52:03.000But it's the... That's like knowing somebody is a suspect in a murder and a witness says, I saw John Doe shoot the woman in the back of the head in his yard and put her in the back of his car.
01:52:13.000The police go there, open the back of the trunk, the woman's in the car.
01:52:17.000And then they go and grab him inside and he, and you know, under her fingernails is his skin where she scratched him.
01:52:26.000You're going to the electric chair, going to lethal injection these days.
01:52:29.000So all I'm saying is don't fall for the trap of sitting there and when they spice this in with these people.
01:52:37.000Look, Hollywood's so evil, I don't know what Tom Hanks is into.
01:52:40.000But we need to actually go out to people that we have red-handed, like Bill Clinton.
01:52:45.000You know, I couldn't agree with you more.
01:52:53.000You know, I've spoken out a lot with the VAQ and nonsense out there, and I'm so glad that you brought up that Podesta email that involved the Lozado children that were named by age to be ubered to a farm For entertainment in a hot tub in an email that was addressed to John Podesta and a group of men.
01:53:16.000Anybody who has children or has been around children would raise major red flags and this is just a small anecdote Alex but years and years ago when those emails first came out the New York Times contacted me And basically wanted to do a hit piece on you and had me speak out against you.
01:53:35.000And I said, you know, I'd love to talk to you guys as soon as you publish this email.
01:53:40.000And I sent them that email to Podesta and I never heard back from them again.
01:55:36.000Well, it's this way in which one forces through micro-needling.
01:55:42.000It's like a little roller with these, some of you, I don't think many of you know it, and it pushes through the skin and ruptures the collagen and then boosts it.
01:55:49.000You look like a burn victim for a day, but then it pushes... What are you pushing into the skin, Sandra?
01:55:55.000Carrie, what are you pushing into the skin?
01:55:59.000Well, you push in whatever the facialist would like to insert into your pores.
01:56:05.000It is an extraction from a piece of skin that came from a young person far, far away, and they somehow figured out how to extract... It's foreskin from a Korean baby.
01:56:53.000Back when the mainstream media 10, 15 years ago still had some soul, here's just one of the clips.
01:56:58.000South Korea reports seizing thousands of smuggled drug capsules containing an unusual added ingredient, the powdered flesh from dead babies.
01:57:07.000Some people believe they can cure disease.
01:57:10.000The Korea Customs Service says they were made in northeastern China from babies whose bodies were chopped into small pieces and dried on stoves before being turned into powder.
01:57:20.000But they wouldn't say where they believe the babies came from or exactly who made the capsules, citing possible diplomatic friction with Beijing.
01:57:28.000The contents, though, were identified by scientific testing.
01:57:33.000When we analyzed it, the powdered material sequence is better than a 99.7% match with a human DNA sequence.
01:57:41.000No one's been reported ill from ingesting them, but scientist Shin Woo Gi warns they have the potential to be dangerous.
01:57:48.000We also see superbacteria and other germs and viruses harmful to a person if consumed.
01:57:54.000Some of the capsules were carried in luggage, others were sent by international mail.
01:57:59.000The smugglers told customs officials they believed the capsules were ordinary stamina boosters and didn't know the manufacturing process.
01:58:06.000One official said no one's been punished, but a customs clearance director at Incheon Airport warned consumers should be careful about health food supplements where the ingredients aren't clearly marked.
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01:59:41.000All right, I have seen this guy for 15 years online, and Brother Nathaniel Kattner joins us.
01:59:52.000He was born to two Jewish parents that raised traditional Judaism in a synagogue.
01:59:56.000Having attended Hebrew school, Shabbat school, and regular synagogue services, he felt from his Bar Mitzvah days that something was missing in Judaism.
02:00:05.000At the age of 19, he read the New Testament and the first time was convinced that Jesus was the Messiah.
02:00:09.000Later on in his adult life, he felt necessary to start a real Jews news website and video to point of the dominant influence of Jewry in all facets of American life.
02:00:18.000And this is part of a series I'm doing where we have Nick Fuentes on and then I'm going to have Ezra LeVant, who I think is awesome, on.
02:00:49.000I'm just a Christian with the Holy Spirit.
02:00:53.000And I think it's important to have these dialogues and then ask him questions.
02:00:56.000Here today that I have, like, okay, radical orthodox Islam is being major backed by the universities on the left.
02:01:02.000Just because I don't like what Israel's doing with the bombardment of Gaza, doesn't mean I have to then embrace Hamas trying to launch balloons with big ropes and bags of sand trying to take down aircraft.
02:01:11.000So there's a larger globalist manipulation going on.
02:01:15.000I wanted to ask him where he thinks that's going.
02:01:17.000Because when I had the last guest on, who I made a film with 15 years ago, called fabled enemies as a big part about the Mossad, you
02:01:26.000know, involved in sex trafficking of children to control America. And then I say
02:01:30.000also the CIA does it because they've been busted doing it. And MNI6 is like,
02:01:33.000oh you're covering up for the Jews. Well I don't think Jews are guilty because their
02:01:38.000intelligence agencies did a stand down on October 7th and now 15%
02:03:15.000So the first thing Vivek has to do, if I'm pronouncing his name right, or Trump, which he won't because he's financed through all his real estate, through the banks, he can't do it, is to end the Fed, and I know Ron Paul, and I know his assistant, but we have to start with audit the Fed.
02:03:34.000Let's find out where the money is going.
02:03:36.000And who's ever the head of the CIA here has no clue.
02:03:40.000Where all the money is going internationally.
02:03:44.000I have some idea where it's going and who's doing it.
02:03:48.000If you and I did it, Alex, it would be counterfeit.
02:03:51.000But the Jews have the franchise to do counterfeit legally.
02:05:12.000So this is what I grew up in, with a father, strong Orthodox Jew, strong religious and racial identity, who was not a Zionist, who understood where the money comes from.
02:05:24.000My dad knew it, because he played the stocks.
02:05:28.000His brother, his younger brother, made over a million dollars in the stock market, never worked a day in his life.
02:05:35.000And my other brother was a stockbroker, his other brother was a stockbroker.
02:05:39.000I think I understand some things that Here's the expression that Goyim could never understand.
02:05:45.000Well, it was actually my ancestor, direct lineage paternal, who invented the stock exchange.
02:06:00.000Okay, you want to say somebody, someone here invented it, but the one who internationalized it was Jewry, because it's the international Jew!
02:06:09.000The Jews are expanded throughout the world!
02:06:12.000Well, look, like I said, here's my deal.
02:06:14.000We're going to go to break in a couple minutes.
02:07:33.000And this is what Larry Fink of BlackRock is part of.
02:07:36.000It's part of this whole Rothschild orbit.
02:07:39.000Well, Fink did say we're going to control everybody's You control corporations, you control media, you can control every hack on Capitol Hill.
02:10:14.000And then we talk, he says, Jews are the problem.
02:10:16.000And I'm going to shut up and let you talk.
02:10:19.000But then we talk about, you know, the Old Testament, and people get mad when we say Judeo-Christian.
02:10:25.000I mean, Christianity, you know, Christ said, I've come to fulfill the law, and so he did come from the line of David, and I'm not saying stuff that the Jews picked up in Babylon or other places, you know, some of those teachings isn't bad.
02:10:37.000I'm simply saying, Throwing the baby out with the bathwater, it seems to me if we just say Jews are bad people, well that's like the left saying white people are inherently bad and the head of the ADL says, well wait, we're the one teaching that but not Jews.
02:10:49.000So I know the ADL is a vicious, evil, anti-American, leftist, Jewish, supremist organization and I'm against them and the KKK.
02:11:00.000I want to just have a big tent and I see a lot of Jews that you know call in and on the street and support me that are just conservatives and are good people like your dad was and you know we had all these great Jewish people on over the years, doctors and scientists that are fighting tyranny and I just think it's not fair to them To say this is a Jewish conspiracy.
02:11:22.000You can say there's an organized global, you know, different racial crime groups and we know that's real and I get opposed by those groups.
02:13:05.000I'm three steps ahead of these people because my father used to take me To the B'nai B'rith meetings when I was a little Jewish boy at the synagogue.
02:13:13.000After every Shabbos services, my dad would take me upstairs to the big brunch, the gefilte fish, the lux and bagels, and it was a B'nai B'rith meeting.
02:14:46.000Now, I'm always going to go back to this, and it's going in one ear after the other, not with you, but with others.
02:14:53.000Give me a control of the nation's money and I care not who makes its laws.
02:14:58.000America lost its sovereignty in 1913 when the Jews from Europe, headed by Paul Warburg and his brother Max Warburg, who were connected to The Rothschild dynasty, those are the real big boys, and they took over our money printing.
02:15:18.000And you, Andrew Jackson, wanted nothing to do with it.
02:16:17.000Which genetically is accurate, because that's the mitochondrial DNA passed on.
02:16:20.000The males only get one copy, the females get two.
02:16:22.000Well, it never used to be, biblically speaking, if you want to go back to the Bible, when you brought up the Bible, Judaism today is not Judaism of the Old Testament!
02:16:29.000Well, if you want to get into that, we can't.
02:16:31.000I don't think people should hear... Well, you brought it up.
02:17:32.000There's probably a thousand of them, because Jews operate as a collective.
02:17:37.000Yeah, the Jewish guy next door, I see him all the time, he's a real nice guy, but he will never, never condemn the Pharisees for crucifying our Lord, God, and Savior.
02:18:20.000My dad told us this, just figured it out.
02:18:22.000It started with the terrorism, the Jabotinsky Group, okay, the Irgan, and the Stern Group, and it started getting... The bombing of the Hinden Hotel, all that.
02:18:51.000The military, if anybody knows journalism, they would say, yes, Brother Katner, you are right, it's a military dictatorship, because even HoloRats, they're under military censorship.
02:19:56.000The reason I got you on is I watch your videos because I want to see what all sides are thinking.
02:20:00.000About your, first you become a Jew for Jesus, and then you find Orthodox, you go in there, you feel the different presence, another plane, like you were at a higher level, you know, like King David was talking about.
02:20:40.000Now, in our Bar Mitzvah class, they decided to give it to Mrs. Schechter because she knew all the world religions.
02:20:46.000Most Jews don't, they couldn't care less, but she did.
02:20:49.000So she goes through our Bar Mitzvah class, I'm a 12 year old Jewish boy, I was a very sensitive boy, very quiet kind of a boy, and she's telling us about Baha'i, Zen, we never heard of these things in 1962.
02:21:05.000Now she gets to talk about Christianity, and I wanted to learn, because I'm a smart boy then, let's learn about what formed Western Civilization, and I knew it was Christianity.
02:23:01.000Because I thought, as a Jewish kid with a reaction like that, it must be true.
02:23:07.000Now, we were forbidden to read the New Testament.
02:23:09.000This was totally Off-limits, no-go zone!
02:23:14.000So now I'm in California, I started to study music, I'm an accomplished pianist and composer and all that stuff, okay, and I decided I'm going to buy a New Testament.
02:23:25.000I read the first chapter of Matthew and I was convinced, just from the genealogies, because we knew, with my Jewish education, which was so solid, that the genealogies were lost in 125 AD, that Hadrian destroyed them!
02:25:02.000Guys, it's on Twitter, it's on X, pull it up.
02:25:04.000Alan Dershowitz says Jews should never apologize for being successful.
02:25:07.000I'm saying nobody... Here's the deal, here's the deal.
02:25:09.000I've been successful with my listeners supporting me, and I don't have any groups, not the CIA, not the FBI, not the ADL, tell me what to do.
02:27:19.000Because I go to a restaurant because the food's good, not because Chinese own or black people or Jews or, you know, hillbillies or whatever.
02:28:20.000They would love to, they're using Ukraine boys, these poor Christian boys, to get rid of Vladimir Putin, because they've got this crazy woman who was born Noodleman, her name is Victoria Noodle, Noodle, uh, Newland now.
02:29:01.000It's true that he's revitalized the Byzantine Empire, and it is true that Trotsky was kicked out by Stalin, and so that's where the neocon beef comes from.
02:29:45.000They want to create their own SWIFT, which is transfer of money from one trading group to another trading group, or from one nation to another trading group.
02:29:54.000They want to start their own currency exchange, their own letters of credit.
02:33:04.000Well, I'm a big student of history, so I know every group, from the Mayans, the Aztecs, the Romans, the Greeks, to the Babylonians, to the Huns, to the Chin, all believe they were the master race.
02:33:17.000And yeah, you can read the Old Testament, and you can see God saying, go in and wipe all these ribs out.
02:33:23.000I don't think Kepner's going to say that was a false teaching, and then Netanyahu quotes it.
02:33:28.000But what we cannot deny And so I'm not somebody that just hates success outright, and just say Jews are evil, because then why is our world of the Abrahamic religion going back to that?
02:33:43.000And I understand the Babylonian captivity and all that stuff.
02:33:47.000But I just think that, let me ask you this one at the time we have, and we'll have you back, because I know you're a historian and I want to pick your brain.
02:33:56.000Some stations join us in a few minutes.
02:33:57.000We've got to go to break again in a second for 60 seconds, but let me ask you this.
02:34:01.000When we pull back, I see the transhumanists as just this evil force that's inhabiting people of every color, religion, you name it.
02:34:08.000I just want a big tent where we can get Jews and everybody else, you know, regardless of what group they came out of, to see an open tent for team humanity and a pro-human future that Elon Musk and I talked about a few weeks ago.
02:34:21.000And I just think that To sit there and deny that so much of... because people hate this on the anti-Jew side.
02:34:27.000Western civilization, you can say what you want, but it's been intricately entwined with Jews.
02:34:35.000And so, you know, are you saying... do you believe the Khazarian thing?
02:34:46.000We laughed at the Khazar theory as kids.
02:34:48.000This was a theory by some scholar, it was made popular by Arthur Kessler, called the Thirteenth Tribe, to get Jews off the hook for deicide.
02:34:58.000So it wasn't Jews today, because everyone's a Khazar, they didn't crucify Christ as a collective.
02:36:50.000I thought this must be an algorithm, because I'm using Biblical language, maybe they thought it was political language, they would not tell me.
02:36:57.000Now they got some Hindu that take place of Wachitsky, okay?
02:37:10.000It wasn't Larry Rabinowitz, who changed his name to Bryn, and it wasn't Sergey Rabinowitz, and it wasn't Larry Page, there were two boys at Stanford, and someone from the Mossad who is connected with the CIA, because they are interlinked, All right, it's all exhausting.
02:37:55.000katendallyshow.com Coming up, Kate Dowling, brother to Daniel Kavner, is our guest right now, and I wanted to get him up to have an open discussion about what's happening.
02:38:05.000We've got about 10 minutes, we've got a break, and the next guest host takes over at Owen Troyer in about 53 minutes from now with The War Room, 3 p.m.
02:38:12.000Central, and fullwords.com forward slash show.
02:39:08.000Where there's nationalism, the Jew sinks down, okay?
02:39:12.000So it's not Trump that the Jews hate and try to destroy.
02:39:16.000They despise, they fear, his followers, because those are the white Christians, the patriots, who in a drop of a dime can turn against Israel and say, hey, why are there so many Jews running everything?
02:39:35.000Why are the Jews able to put this money out of thin air?
02:40:44.000I'm trying to create unity around ideas that transcend all this.
02:40:50.000You became a Christian, and you, you, you know, and I believe you're right about, you know, Christ is obviously the Messiah, you can feel it, you can see it, it's incredible.
02:40:58.000Any demonic attacks, Christ's name is all powerful, it's real.
02:41:01.000People I know that aren't even Christian get attacked spiritually, they ask for God's protection, it happens.
02:41:08.000Again, it's baby out with the bathwater.
02:41:10.000Why don't we have an outreach to everybody, the Hindus, the Jews, the Muslims, everybody, because I pull back here and I see the left, the universities, Google, the CIA backing Islam right now, and I see this weird right-wing anti-Jew alliance with Islam attacking Israel, and you say, you know, what if Israel went away today?
02:44:42.000I'm going to go with what he wanted to do for Germany, like other people want to do for their own nations.
02:44:48.000He wanted to do something for Germany.
02:44:50.000He saw that the Jew who controlled the press, who controlled the arts, who controlled theater, who controlled politics, the Weimar regime, okay, and who controlled the stock market, Okay?
02:45:03.000Because his teacher was Gottfried Fetter, who I've read backward and forward many times to try to understand the economic scenario that Hitler was trying to... Yeah, no one's denying Germany got shafted in World War I, which Britain started.
02:45:18.000Okay, now Hitler was a speaker, and they propped him up, this guy can speak well, so when he gets up, he's going to be the speaker.
02:45:26.000I do the same thing when I do my videos.
02:45:27.000I've got to speak, I've got to make sure people are listening.
02:45:30.000So I don't go by what his eyes look like when he speaks, I don't go by that.
02:45:54.000But he did it through the immigration that he funded, that Jews could go anywhere really, but there was a strong Zionist movement, it was called the Havara movement, that he funded, that Jews could take everything out of Germany.
02:46:06.000What do you make of the George Soros's and like Madeleine Albright's dad that was Jewish, that helped round up Jews and sell them to Hitler?
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02:49:01.000The mainstream media wants you to focus on absolutely ridiculous stories while the gutting of America, the biggest land grab in America, is about to take place in this great land, selling off our public land and then private to the biggest bidders like BlackRock or any foreign country, any foreign interest.
02:49:20.000And on the Alex Jones Show today, to explain the details and how to stop this from happening is Utah State Treasurer Marlo Oaks.
02:49:27.000He's one of the few speaking out on this.
02:49:29.000You haven't exactly heard from any senators or congressmen out there, have you?
02:49:36.000But several state treasurers from several different states are speaking out about this and trying to let the American people know about a vote that is coming up and was actually supposed to take place yesterday.
02:49:57.000So Marlo Oaks is Utah's 26th state treasurer.
02:50:01.000He was appointed in July 2021 and then elected in November 2022.
02:50:06.000And Marlo spent most of his career in money management and is one of the only two state treasurers with institutional investment management experience.
02:50:14.000And because of his knowledge in the capital markets, he's the leading national charge to protect economic freedoms.
02:50:19.000We're about to find out what's going to happen in this country that will change the trajectory of this country deeply.
02:50:57.000So back in September, September 27th, the New York Stock Exchange went to the Securities and Exchange Commission and said, we need a new rule that will allow us to list a company, a type of company whose purpose isn't to create economic profit, but is to generate ecosystem services.
02:51:18.000And the reason they had to go to the SEC for that is because it contemplates an entirely different kind of accounting system.
02:51:26.000So our GAAP accounting standards, the generally accepted accounting principles that are used in this country, are based on economic activity of generating profit.
02:51:50.000That includes things like clean air, water supply, flood protection, productive soils for agriculture, climate stability, habitat for wildlife.
02:52:02.000We are now these natural asset companies would manage those kinds of things and trying to maximize those instead of creating economic value.
02:52:13.000And in fact, because the natural asset company's purpose is sustainability, it would not allow unsustainable activity to take place on the land.
02:52:23.000And that includes things like mineral extraction.
02:52:27.000Grazing, oil extraction, even certain types of recreation that happens on land.
02:52:34.000And so it also would impact not just private land, but public land.
02:53:21.000And so we're really trying to segregate or differentiate between land ownership and the management of that land.
02:53:30.000So managing that land then to not provide any economic benefit, but to increase sustainability, which is essentially letting the land sit fallow.
02:53:44.000So we could have foreign countries want to purchase or manage, want to manage, want to come in and obtain this natural asset now, this natural asset company.
02:53:55.000And they can take a public property, a public land here in America, and they could manage it, sit on it, make sure that nothing takes place on that land, all in the name of climate change, all in the name of Gobbledygook climate change in order to say that they are doing something on this land that's a benefit that people will buy.
02:54:28.000And so, you know, if these companies are allowed to list on the New York Stock Exchange, They would create a charter that would say, here's the purpose of this company.
02:54:38.000And then they would raise capital from investors globally.
02:54:41.000And that could include from sovereign wealth funds like China, Russia, Saudi Arabia, etc.
02:54:46.000And use that money then to go out and attain the management rights to land across this country.
02:54:55.000And the goal again, because it is absolutely driven by the climate crisis narrative, And also biodiversity and saving biodiversity that they could then attain the management rights to the land and not allow economic activity on it.
02:55:14.000And initially, while there may be some recreational opportunities over time, it's very easy to see a movement toward very restricted recreational opportunities and essentially turning these lands into essentially like our national parks where it's difficult to To access them, you have to get a permit in some cases, and really ratchets down the use of our land across the country.
02:55:43.000National parks, state parks, mineral rich areas, all kinds of farming, grazing, we all eat, right?
02:55:51.000Farming, grazing, energy extraction, all of it.
02:55:54.000Yeah, we've seen what's happened with agriculture across the world.
02:55:58.000You know, the Netherlands has been in a war on their farmers over the last year or two.
02:56:04.000And it's insane because we're talking about the UN Sustainable Development Goals.
02:56:09.000Well, goal number two is world hunger and goal number 13 is climate change.
02:56:15.000Well, which one wins when they're in conflict?
02:56:41.000It means no synthetic fertilizer, no traditional machinery.
02:56:45.000And so you're talking about something like what happened in Sri Lanka where they went to organic fertilizer and crop production fell drastically.
02:57:47.000This caught your eye with what you know about what's happening with the SEC, the Security and Exchange Commission, that would allow for the creation and the listing of a new type of company called a natural asset company.
02:57:59.000The vote was set for yesterday, but it got delayed a couple of weeks because of the outcry?
02:58:11.000We had a letter from Congresswoman Hageman of Wyoming and several Congress representatives signed that letter.
02:58:20.000We had a letter from 22 states financial officers that I helped spearhead go into the SEC and that prompted them to open up the comment period for an additional 21 days.
02:58:36.000And so we have until January 18th for people to submit comments to the SEC on why this rule would be a terrible idea.
02:58:44.000And really hoping that people will do that, that people will reach out to their representatives in Congress to let them know about natural asset companies, that these should be opposed, and even their governors.
02:58:57.000And this affects not just the West where, you know, more than half of our land is owned by the federal government.
02:59:04.000This also Affects the East and private land, particularly if it has a conservation easement on it.
02:59:13.000And I'm happy to talk about that as well.
02:59:20.000Yeah, so conservation easements, you know, it's really this idea that you can prevent development in the future if you wanted to keep your land kind of doing what it's always done.
02:59:31.000For example, farmers are often Look at a conservation easement where they could get a tax deduction or a state tax reduction by putting a conservation easement on their land, which is essentially preventing future development, actually in perpetuity, no future development on that land.
02:59:53.000And importantly, placing a lot of restrictions on any future activity On your land.
03:00:00.000So if you once you enter into a conservation easement, you give away those development rights in the future, but you're also locking in the activity on the land as it is the day that you enter the contract.
03:00:13.000And so you can continue to do your farming activity at that same level.
03:00:18.000The problem is, is that technology changes, economics change.
03:00:22.000And the way of doing things changes, but you're now locked in on what you can do on your land.
03:00:29.000That conservation easement is filed with the IRS to get the tax deduction, and then often ends up in a land trust, and that land trust can then actually enroll that conservation easement in a natural asset company.
03:00:46.000They don't allow transferring, but contracts are silent on Enrolling and so your land without knowing it, if you have a conservation easement on your land, that conservation easement could be enrolled in a natural asset company.
03:01:00.000That natural asset company, the purpose is sustainability and you could find yourself in a situation where they say, yes, you can continue to farm, but you have to do it under regenerative farming practices, which means organic fertilizer and no machinery.
03:01:17.000And you know, your yield could drop and it could be very uneconomic suddenly to farm your land.
03:01:24.000And then you may end up having to sell just to realize any kind of economic profit from your land.
03:01:31.000Conservation easements are being pushed heavily right now by this administration.
03:01:36.000They're going around and trying to enter as much land as they can under conservation easements because in the future, if a natural asset company is possible, Those conservation easements would end up in a natural asset company and essentially be managed for the purpose of sustainability.
03:01:58.000Marlo Oaks is with me, Utah State Treasurer.
03:02:01.000I'm so glad that you're with me right now talking about this, letting people know so they can get these comments in and fight this and ask why your senators and congressmen, which heard about this a while ago, have not said a word about it.
03:02:17.000Number one, the Rockefeller plan from 2010, where the scenarios inside the plan is where they cordoned off bodies of water and told people that they could not go around them, utilize them, see them without being thrown into a penitentiary.
03:02:33.000This was one of the scenarios that played out in the 2010 Rockefeller Plan where they could do that for 20 years based on the idea, based on no evidence at all, that something was wrong with the water or something was wrong with the land and they could just cordon it off for a specific amount of time.
03:02:51.000The other thing that comes to mind is about a decade ago when our guys on the right actually pushed through the Conservation Act and helped that go through.
03:02:59.000So both sides working as one behind the corridor.
03:03:03.000And the contract that they're giving the farmers at the very, very bottom said that you were giving control of the land to the Conservation, right?
03:03:12.000It's the part of the Conservation Act that you were giving control of your land to the United States and its successor.
03:03:21.000And now this makes a lot more sense as far as who that successor would be, and they could be a multitude of companies, a multitude of foreign interests, correct?
03:03:32.000You might want to explain that with the air, with the minerals underneath the land, and everything that has to do with these properties, our public lands.
03:03:41.000Yeah, so if you're thinking about a national forest, for example, you have trees that perform photosynthesis, you know, they absorb carbon and convert that into oxygen.
03:04:43.000It's just what kind of plant life is on that piece of property to maximize water intake and even flood protection and how water runs off of land, things like that.
03:04:58.000You know, it really is the financialization of Mother Nature.
03:05:03.000And if you think about our economic assets, those are valued at 1.5 quadrillion.
03:05:09.000They have estimated, the people, Intrinsic Exchange Group, that is the group that is in partnership with the New York Stock Exchange on this, they've estimated that the value of Mother Nature processes is five quadrillion dollars.
03:05:24.000And by the way, the Intrinsic Exchange Group was funded and is funded by the Rockefeller Foundation.
03:05:32.000And so we are seeing some common threads there.
03:05:35.000It's very troubling what is going on with this.
03:05:41.000It reminds me of a clip I was actually viewing yesterday from Pastor Parsley where he was talking about, this was 20 years ago, when he gave a sermon to his church and he was talking about the fact that if you took America right now with all of its buildings and its land and everything, you would actually have to sell that And do it twice more to get the value back for America.
03:06:05.000When we talk about debt and we talk about all these things and letting these people come in and the financial position that we're in right now, when we're talking about that specifically, you would have to sell everything that we own three times over and that was 20 years ago.
03:06:52.000But it's another thing to be sold out quietly by our own Congress and Senators who have done nothing to stop this or even raise a single alarm bell about this.
03:07:19.000Do you think that outcry from us, and of course, outcry from us should happen either way, because I think we're still responsible to fight for these things, but what's your take on this?
03:07:29.000And then, of course, was there anything leading up to this, this proposal that was given to the SEC, and who is exactly behind that?
03:08:11.000in October, right in the middle of the first comment period, nobody in Congress was talking about it because I don't think they knew about it.
03:08:23.000And a letter on November 2nd went to the SEC from three senators and basically Asked several pointed questions about this and they were initially supposed to the SEC had targeted November 18th for their decision they didn't reopen the comment period but they did extend the decision to January 2nd just based on that letter from those senators and then and then that's when you know I had a Wall Street Journal op-ed come out in the middle of November and then more people started submitting comments and
03:09:01.000And I think based on some of the letters and the comments that the SEC received on December 21st, they came out and said, we're reopening the comment period for 21 days.
03:09:15.000And something unusual, they added a rebuttal period for two weeks after that, that allows anyone to rebut any of the comments that are sent in to the SEC.
03:10:10.000And saving our resources for ourselves and managing those appropriately.
03:10:15.000This is, it really is insane what this contemplates.
03:10:21.000Did the SEC create this proposal or was this proposal given to them for consideration?
03:10:26.000Um, so it's, I believe it was, um, the New York Stock Exchange that, that went to them and, and asked them to approve a change in their manual.
03:10:38.000Um, but of course the SEC, uh, had to, um, you know, put this out on the federal register and they did it rather quickly and very much under the radar.
03:10:49.000So I have to believe that, that they were, uh, they were in conversation Um, at some point, uh, talking about this and, and really it's, it's, it seems like it's all part of this whole of government approach to address climate change and the climate crisis.
03:11:09.000Um, I think there's another interesting element to this and you were touching on a little bit, the, the amount of debt that we are in, um, as a nation.
03:11:19.000And this, if we're talking about financializing our natural processes on our land, this is another asset that could be listed on our balance sheet as a country that would then potentially allow us to borrow more money.
03:11:36.000And so it could be actually used to leverage even more borrowing as a nation.
03:11:43.000But if you're suddenly, if we're suddenly saying, you know, here's what the natural processes are valued in North America, and this is an asset on our balance sheet, now we can borrow against it.
03:11:53.000Or we could, you know, the government could say, well, we're going to lower our debt by selling our federal holdings of land.
03:12:02.000And we're going to sell them to natural asset companies because we want to make sure that that land is not exploited for, you know, for natural resources.
03:12:15.000People could latch onto that and say, wow, this is a great way to reduce our debt burden.
03:12:21.000But the reality is, is you're giving up our natural resources at that point and essentially crippling the country even further.
03:12:29.000It's like selling the rooms in your home to somebody, not just renting them out, but really selling them and having them managed by somebody else.
03:12:36.000At what point does it become not your home anymore?
03:12:41.000Then Russia, Chinese, Saudi interests, all kinds of interests can come in and see that particular value for locking up our natural resources and owning and really managing is what you're saying because it's really devastating either one.
03:12:55.000Managing the property means they get to call the shots.
03:12:59.000They get total control in perpetuity, which is forever and ever, which is actually really illegal in these contracts too, isn't it?
03:13:06.000Well, and what's interesting though, that there is a provision that the natural asset company could be delisted from the stock exchange by not, I'm trying to remember the exact terminology it is, but essentially if they don't follow their sustainability practices on that on that land, then the NAC is delisted.
03:13:31.000Then whoever owns the NAC, they can exploit those resources themselves.
03:13:37.000And so you could have a situation where, you know, these natural asset companies essentially lock up the natural resources, delist and then they exploit the resources for their own benefit.
03:13:50.000How do people How should they react to this?
03:14:27.000Once you give up your rights on your land, you essentially don't own it anymore.
03:14:32.000It's destroying private property, the whole concept of private property.
03:14:37.000And that's one of the key freedoms that we have.
03:14:40.000And the reason why the Founding Fathers saw property rights as a critical freedom Because it allows us to have some control over the government.
03:14:51.000If the government controls all the land, then you're really not a free people.
03:14:55.000So definitely reach out to your representatives and governor, even county officials, and educate them about this.
03:15:07.000And certainly, you know, there's their resources now out there.
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