Episode 2214： Katie Hobbs Fears Debating Kari Lake; MAGA Continues To Lead In Polling; Mortality Rates Spike Among Men 18-39 Following Inoculation
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Summary
On this episode of Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough and Katie Hobbs discuss whether or not Mika Brzezinksi should debate her opponent, Rep. Kyrsten Sineman. They also discuss why she s running away from debates and why it s a bad idea.
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Before we let you go, because I think it is on the mind of Arizona voters,
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are you saying this morning that there is no circumstance that you can envision
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or would even try to negotiate in which you and Carrie Lake would appear
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our schedule in terms of forums is pretty much set.
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And I'm really happy with where we are in the plans we have
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to continue talking directly to the voters of Arizona.
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You look at the slate of statewide candidates in Arizona for people like me
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who actually, I don't know, I like Western democracy.
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I think people that lose elections should be, you know, for me,
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That said, if Carrie Lake's positions are so indefensible,
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then Katie Hobbs, in my opinion, needs needs to debate her.
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And because, you know, she she's leaving the stage to her.
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just like the Democrats or Republicans did in the September or in the December,
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the January 6th hearings, just turning the microphone over to him instead of pushing back.
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And that one person you said talked about how Katie Hobbs wasn't around.
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I've never seen running from debates ever, ever in any race.
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she should be able to get on stage and be there to talk about fact versus fiction.
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And even if it isn't a conversation, because if Carrie Lake is does what Carrie Lake does,
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it's usually spewing a slew of lies wrapped up in a tight little present.
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And so what she should do is just say, I can't comment on that because that is not fact.
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You can hear the four different ways that, you know, this is not fact.
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And you have a candidate that is constantly lying.
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Does Arizona want a governor who lies through her teeth for power?
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Does Arizona want a governor who doesn't care about you?
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She just cares about winning and she will stoop so low she will degrade herself.
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And and and capitalize on the power of disinformation just to get power.
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That's what she's doing right here, right now, to your face, lying.
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And when she brings up an actual policy, that's an actual debate.
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I mean, even if she did that, it would be something.
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I definitely think that is running away from what is you might or some might disagree a threat to our society.
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Well, you know what, Mika, you make very compelling arguments.
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So the Democrat should go out and make those compelling arguments.
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She she's a Barack Obama supporter when it was cool to support Barack Obama.
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When it was cool to support Donald Trump, she supported Donald Trump.
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When it was cool to support conspiracy theories, she supported conspiracy theories.
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I'm telling you again, our next guest, if he debated her.
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Why do we have a Democrat who is running scared and running away from a person who should be the easiest in the world to debate against?
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Because she is literally embracing crackpot conspiracy theories promoted by Chinese religious cult websites.
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It's Monday, 10 October in the year of our Lord, 2022.
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Mika lies wrapped up in a, quote, tight little present.
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The Atlantic came out with a major piece over the weekend.
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It said how Carrie Lake is the future of the MAGA movement.
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Also, we started with Katie Hobbs, disastrous by Major Garrett and Major Garrett, the guys at CBS.
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I mean, when they do these interviews, they're pretty straightforward questions.
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I mean, he asked her, you know, a couple of straightforward questions.
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But Morning Mika lies wrapped up in a tight, a tight little present.
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Get those cat claws that degrade yourself as a threat to our country.
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I want to announce we're launching the merch site for War Room.
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Our first offering is going to be the Morning Mika mug, right?
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I want to say it's a great team members out in the great state of Arizona created this Morning Mika.
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On the morning of the 9th, they're changing the name of Morning Joe to Morning Mika.
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Because Joe's, you know, he's kind of the wingman.
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So they've led the Democratic Party down to its destruction.
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Focusing on abortion, democracy, the threats to democracy, the threats to democracy.
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You don't hear anything about the VAX, the mask mandates anymore.
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At least Stefanik did an amazing job at the Republican Conference of setting this up.
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These guys have led them down the primrose path of the total destruction.
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Every candidate in the country is running away.
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And you know she's getting smoked by Carrie Lake.
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Because you propped her up on MSNBC with those softball interviews for two years.
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So don't turn on her at the last second when she's too afraid to take on a professional like Carrie Lake.
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When Carrie Lake's got all the issues on her side.
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You know, Katie Hobbs has got a commercial out in Arizona about how tough she's going to be in border crime like Mark Kelly.
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So don't – every Democrat in the country won't stand on a stage and debate.
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You've got some guys in the races they control.
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I've got Alex DeGrasse from Team Elise with the math.
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Steve Moore is going to be here to go through about oil.
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We've got the Surgeon General, the great – the free state of Florida.
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Twitter took him down and then understood they're going to get sued like crazy, put him back up.
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Mastriano, I think we're trying to get Alex Jones.
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We're going to try if we can hook it up to get Eduardo Bolsonaro today.
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One last thing before I go – I mean before we turn it over here.
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All this week we're going to be talking about flooding the zone.
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Like Nelson said right before Trafalgar, every man is to do their duty.
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We need to flood the zones with poll workers, election judges.
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We're going to have people in here in the next couple of days who are going to give you numbers.
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They're going to blow you out and are going to crush the spirit of the Democrats
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because they're going to understand they can't steal it.
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We're going to be in the room with tens of thousands of well-trained people.
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And, of course, USA Today, poll workers fearful as vengeful threats persist.
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You're not going to be able to steal any more election.
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They go into Obama saying, please, we can't have Biden.
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And I'm talking about governor races, House races, Senate races, all of it.
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Morning Mika's embraced it because they're responsible along with the NBC night.
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Chris Hayes, Joy Ann Reed, you guys are going to own this crushing defeat.
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You had them focus every night on trashing MAGA and talking about threats to democracy.
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Hey, get ready for your democracy suppository because you're about to get basically a, how do I say this?
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The core races, and then I want to talk about the expanding battlefield of Rhode Island, Oregon, Maryland, New York State.
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But real quick, I want to say on the Katie Hobbs interview, she put out one thing that's a little bit of the lead's been kind of buried.
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She is in favor of no restrictions, abortion, taxpayer funding up until birth.
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It's a radical position, about 10 to 12 percent of voters support.
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It's toxic, and we really have to get it out there because you see some of these Democrats that are backtracking.
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I know we're going to get into some of the rating changes that we heard.
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I wanted you to go back about this abortion thing.
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They took their best shot on abortion with these negative ads in July and August, as you said, in the NRCC and the Senate leadership.
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Once they got across in the Labor Day, your point's well taken.
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Once you ask them a specific question, like Katie Hobbs, they melt down.
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And basically they say, well, it's between a woman and her doctor.
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So you can have the – as President Trump says, you can have the abortion right up to the baby's born or even thereafter.
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I mean, isn't that the fact – once you press them on – well, tell me what you guys are talking about.
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Exceptions typically in rape, incest, life of mother like President Trump said.
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And when you contrast against taxpayer-funded, paid-term abortion up till birth, like 15 percent of voters support that less among the Hispanic community and different target demographics.
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And so, you know, Republicans need to lean in on that issue because voters are actually on our side.
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Tell us about – there's some overall numbers.
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But also the numbers coming in on Biden are even worse.
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They don't want him on any stage in the country because he's the kiss of death.
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Yeah, I mean, the numbers with this independence, with the latest YouGov poll, it's cratering.
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We've never seen lower numbers for an incumbent president going into the midterm.
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Those independents, those swing voters, Hispanics, you know, we certainly have a little bit of an energized Democrat base.
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We spoke on War Room about Rhode Island, Oregon, Maryland, California, New York, Connecticut.
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Real Clear Politics, which is the best in the game, came out.
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They shifted nine races over the weekend from Democrat to Republican, two in Oregon, one in Merrigan.
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Western Rhode Island, leading Republican on the ballot.
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That's the suburbs of Hartford, part of Fairfield County.
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The numbers are, you know, we are really gaining momentum, Steve, and it's going to really continue to heat up here with 28 days left.
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If we can put that chart back up for a second, I want our podcast radio audience.
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That's where you got to go to War Room and get the – we put these up.
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I have had it up on Getter since yesterday when Alex got it to me.
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These nine races are in Democrat districts, okay?
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This shows you how well we're doing the core because when Alex talked about spreading the battlefield, these are hardcore Democratic districts, correct, Alex?
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Which now Real Clear Politics, not the RNC or not the NRCC, Real Clear Politics with their aggregation of the polls are now turning these into basically lean Republican – to toss-ups and lean Republicans.
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Out of these nine, one of them, New York 22, Brandon Williams, who I know has been on the show, so that one's a hold.
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But that one now is moving into the lean Republican camp.
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It's a seat by one by eight points, so it's great to see we've got a great candidate there.
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They are trending in the Republican direction, either leaning our way or we're typically leaning Democrats that are now 50-50 toss-ups.
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And so whether that's Myra Flores' seat, Democrats, there was a headline in Axios, they're abandoning South Texas, pulling funding.
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Also, this ties together with the story of the day, the 22 million – the NRCC is coming in with $22 million into the seats.
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We told you that these things all break in the last couple of weeks.
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But what you're going to see is what we call the inflection point, where it starts – you see that it's breaking our way.
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Also, they turn on each other like on Morning Joe.
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The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
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We're going to have Mike Lindell on this afternoon.
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Make sure you're coming into the holiday season.
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In fact, Mike Lindell announced on Saturday he's launching his own.
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More details about that since they blocked Lindell everywhere for doing what?
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Trying to get to the bottom of the 2020 election.
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Make sure we have free and fair elections going forward.
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This is the intensity, Morning Mika, that you guys don't have.
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We have the intensity of people to get out to vote, to volunteer, to all of it.
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Talking about intensity, I want to bring in John Fredericks for a couple of minutes.
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John, Virginia, North Carolina, New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, absolutely vital.
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State legislature races, school boards, House, and Senate.
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Tell people how they find out more about the John Fredericks tour that the War Room is glad to be a small part of, sir.
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Well, listen, you guys are going to be there with us.
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I know we're trying to get a date for War Room to come to Virginia and Virginia 7th.
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We're still trying to work that out, Steve, and we're looking forward to that.
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You guys have been a tremendous sponsor of ours, and we really appreciate it because this bus tour is designed to do one thing.
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Get Trump voters out in the highest Trump precincts there are for our Republican candidates, and we're going to targeted areas.
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We start in Elizabeth City, North Carolina, in North Carolina 1.
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Our bus tour is going to go from there through Virginia 7th, and that is going to be for Yesli Vega.
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Both of them are tied within the margin of error if you look at the polling numbers.
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By the way, guys, I'm getting double audio if you can fix that for me.
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Don Boldick, Caroline Leavitt, and our good friend Bobby Burns.
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We're going to be in a week in New Hampshire, and that's going to be basically from October 24th to 30th.
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Nine days there right through the election, October 31st to November 8th.
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We're going to be crisscrossing rural Pennsylvania for Oz and Mastriano as a team.
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Got some congressional candidates involved as well.
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But, Steve, the beauty of this bus tour is this is our bus tour.
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Basically, my wife, Ann, and I, we got a phone and a pen.
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We sponsor it, putting their signs on the bus, and do the best we can.
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But in order to do this and do it right, we've got to get it out, get the buzz,
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and get people out and get them engaged and get them voting for our candidates in November.
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Pennsylvania and New Hampshire, these are keys.
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If we can get our votes out, Steve, we can win both these Senate seats.
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And when the governorship of Pennsylvania, the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, by the way,
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They're making crime the number one topic in inflation.
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Oz has got, I think, 82 or 83 percent of Republicans.
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MAGA has to deliver because we can't have the demon, the demonic Fetterman in the U.S. Senate.
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It would be a disgrace to our forefathers to allow that to happen.
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John Fredericks, how do people go right now and get all the information on the tour?
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I know you haven't picked the exact dates of where you're going to be,
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War Room is going to be there associated with this every day, picking up John live.
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Hopefully, we'll actually do the show live from New Hampshire, Pennsylvania, and Virginia.
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But, John, how do people go right now and find out more about this?
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The exact schedule is going to be evolving every day.
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So, if you look for New Hampshire, you don't see the exact towns.
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If you want to help us out, sponsorship or donation.
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There's no money from heaven dropping down here from, you know, Peter Thiel.
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I mean, this is just my wife and I doing this on our own.
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But I tell you what, if you donate to us, you know exactly where your money is going.
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Because you tune us in at 6 a.m. on October 25th.
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Because, look, sometimes we've just got to do these things ourselves.
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Steve, it's just like when you started War Room and everybody said,
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Sometimes you've just got to do it yourself to get it done, Steve.
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North Carolina, Virginia, New Hampshire, and Pennsylvania.
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We'll have a lot more about this in the days ahead, sir.
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What do you got for me before you punch out this morning?
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And just real quick, before we go over the top issues, the Trump voter turning out is so important.
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When you look at New York, where we have the most competitive races in the country,
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That is more votes since Ronald Reagan in 1984.
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You know, so there are so many Trump voters out there.
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But if we're shifting gears here to the issue set, if we can pull up, we have that ABC poll
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All Republicans leading by an average of 15 points.
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That's the other one on the chart, but that's okay.
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You know, these are the top issues, and the abortion one is dropping off, almost at a 22%
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spread between the economy and abortion, and we've seen those numbers continue to drop in
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And you can tell, Steve, now that Democrats are talking about democracy.
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This is turning, when he says execution, the strategy part of this has been done.
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Execution now is owning your vote and helping your friends own their vote.
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But in addition, and we're going to have Cleta on later at five o'clock, it's not too late
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to get trained up, and we're going to have some people from some of the bigger organizations
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on tomorrow to talk about the tens of thousands have been trained.
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If MAGA delivers, you end the Biden presidency on the evening of 8 November.
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Now they're turning on each other to say, Katie Hobbs, you've got to go debate.
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They should talk to every candidate in the country.
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Any Democrat that stands on a stage with a MAGA candidate, a Republican candidate, will
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Any one that stands up and debates them will lose.
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How can they get more information at the NRCC, at Team Elise, at all of it?
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So if you want to see the target races, we just put together a website.
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It's going to organize those seats for you by Trump seats, the tight seats with Biden
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You can also hit us with a five or $10 if you can.
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You've got some email and phone numbers to reach out to the volunteers.
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We just put that, Team Elise, just put that together for folks.
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I'm on Getter, at DeGrasse, Truth, at Alex DeGrasse and all that.
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Get your other pad out while you're watching the show.
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Look forward to having you back on in the next couple of days.
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Cortez, before we get into capital markets and finance, give me your assessment.
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You went to the Hispanic Leadership Conference.
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We haven't had a chance to pull the Katie Hobbs disastrous response to her.
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But tell me where you think we stand right now as you see this math.
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Well, listen, I love this talk about expanding the battlefield because I think it is crucial.
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I'm actually right now, Steve, back in my former home of Chicago.
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And in the wake of the great Chicago fire of 1871, Daniel Burnham, who was the architect
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of the massive, incredible rebuild plan, the Chicago plan, he said, make no little plans.
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Well, regarding these elections, which are now within a month, make no little plans.
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We are going to absolutely be competitive in places where we have not been competitive before.
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But number three, to your point about the Latino coalition that we just had, the Latino
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Hispanic Leadership Conference, because the coalition is expanding.
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And as proof of that, I would point to people that right now, it looks very likely that in
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three states, if we step away from a second from the federal races and look at the state
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houses, in three states, the Democrats are very much in trouble for the governorship.
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In Oregon, it looks likely that the blue state of Oregon is going to elect a Republican
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We go all the way across the country to New York.
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It is an absolute coin flip according to credible polling right now.
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Hochul is in a ton of trouble and Zeldin is trending aggressively, and I think probably
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And then right here in Illinois, J.B. Pritzker, despite spending hundreds of millions of dollars
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of his inherited trustafarian fortune, he's in trouble, and Darren Bailey is within striking
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So we can be competitive almost anywhere in the country.
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You've got to hit the rewind before we go to break.
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You're telling me in New York State, in Illinois, and in Oregon, these three candidates right now
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are competitive to win the governorships of the three hardest core with California, the
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three of the four hardest core, Democratic states, bluest states in the Union, sir?
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Steve, I think it is very likely that at least two of those three, obviously we need to fight
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for all three, but I think at least two of those three are going to have Republican,
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America first governors come November 9th, governors elect at that point.
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And this isn't pie in the sky thinking, this isn't me being Pollyanna saying, oh, I'd like
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Again, this is looking at credible polling, at serious numbers.
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And, you know, Alex mentioned the real clear politics moves over the weekend.
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That is an objective third party who is saying this race is trending hard nationally to
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We've got the Surgeon General of Florida blockbuster report on Friday and Steve Cortez on global capital
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The epidemic is a demon and we cannot let this demon hide.
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Well, we're doing this one for the entire audience, obviously, in the show, but I'm specifically
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doing it for Steve Cortez, understanding what a hero he's been in this entire effort.
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You know, when I go around the country, people say, you know, I want to be the
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So when they say the free state of Florida, they're not kidding.
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These folks, men and women down there in this DeSantis administration, they're hitting on
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We've been honored to have Dr. Joseph Latipo on before the Surgeon General of the free
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So much so that Twitter, I think, took him down.
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Doctor, walk me through exactly what this report is.
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And then obviously Twitter trying to trying to silence your voice, sir, over the weekend.
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And I'm really thrilled to be able to share this news because it's important news.
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And because, as we all know, we've had this period of time where people get told they're
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crazy if they have any suspicion that masks aren't working or that lockdowns aren't necessary
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or that kids will be fine if they go to school or that that reaction you had after you took
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one of these COVID-19 vaccines is all in your head or it's unrelated.
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So I'm thrilled to be able to provide some kind of a sanity check, if you will, to folks
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to let them know that they're not crazy, that their gut, their intuition, their sensibilities,
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their instincts about things being wrong were not wrong, that they, in fact, their instincts
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So what we did was, as you know, actually, just to even back up, as you know, this whole
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issue of an objective evaluation, both of effectiveness and safety of these COVID-19 vaccines, which
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primarily in this country, we're talking mRNA vaccines, it's been completely taboo, off-limits.
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People lose, people lost their jobs, people lost their social media presence, people have
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If you say the wrong thing, and the wrong thing is just thinking anything or saying anything
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different from this mainstream narrative, safe and effective, everybody's got to take it,
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no, it doesn't matter if it costs you your job, you need to take it, I don't care.
00:31:42.340
So what we did was, we looked, we probed an important question, and the shame is that we
00:31:50.420
had to do it, because other people have had these data, and could have done it earlier,
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the CDC could have done something like this, six months, a year ago.
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And, but we did it, and what we did was, we basically used the data that we have in Florida.
00:32:05.280
So we have data in Florida on, on vaccinations, we have data in Florida on, on death, you know,
00:32:13.860
who dies, and we have data in Florida on COVID-19 test results.
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And we basically merged these data, and we used this technique called a, a, a case control,
00:32:30.640
And it's nothing we made up, it was something that was developed many years ago to evaluate
00:32:39.180
I think I looked at some of the critiques on Twitter, and we responded to some of the
00:32:45.880
But most of the critiques, I mean, it's kind of a shame.
00:32:48.900
You know, you've got people who have educations, read the papers, you know, look at the references,
00:32:54.660
understand the method before you start criticizing the study.
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But unfortunately, a lot of people didn't do that.
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They just went straight to criticism, because of course, they didn't like the results.
00:33:04.620
But the intuition of the method is super simple.
00:33:08.680
Steve, all the method does is it says, okay, we're going to take an exposure.
00:33:17.020
And we're going to take an outcome that we care about.
00:33:21.240
And we're going to look at people who had both of them.
00:33:25.260
And we're going to see if the deaths over in our, and we use the six month period, we're
00:33:31.980
going to see if the deaths occur kind of randomly across that six month period, or whether they
00:33:43.940
And the intuition is that if something is related to an exposure, so in this case, we're looking
00:33:49.940
So if death is related to an exposure, then you would expect that the deaths would be
00:33:55.120
sort of clustered or concentrated in the timeline near the exposure.
00:34:00.360
But if it's unrelated, then the deaths would happen any time across the timeline you're looking
00:34:10.280
And what we found was, first of all, for overall, I can stop there if you want to ask a question.
00:34:21.320
Just the methodology and what you came up with is, here's just one question if I can start.
00:34:27.900
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this what CDC or the FDA or somebody, I think it's
00:34:33.960
CDC, isn't this what they're supposed to do instead of just bombarding us?
00:34:38.360
If you're telling us this data was there from a year ago that you could pull together in
00:34:47.060
Why do we have to wait for the Surgeon General of Florida to come forward with Florida data,
00:34:53.420
Well, I'm not at the CDC, but from everything I've seen, it's been just incredibly corrupt.
00:35:00.280
They've just done just the most absurd things during this pandemic.
00:35:05.000
The cherry picking of studies to, for example, push the mask agenda, especially among kids
00:35:15.100
They've been just, they've been so bereft of any integrity that I'm not surprised.
00:35:22.100
They don't, I'm sure they either don't ask questions that they don't want to know the
00:35:26.800
answers to, or if they get the answers they don't like, those answers get shoved in a
00:35:38.720
Where do you start in terms of the examples over the past two and a half years of how corrupt
00:35:43.820
So that, that's my sense, but in Florida, you know, we have a governor who has, who has
00:35:57.040
It's one of the reasons many Americans and people around the world like him.
00:36:03.120
So shying away from the truth just to not tick off Pfizer or the public health establishment
00:36:11.260
is just, that's not in my playbook and it never will be.
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Number one, about the warning you put out, but are you prepared to sit down with CDC or
00:36:21.880
did they contact you as soon as this thing hit on Friday and say, Hey, can you fly to
00:36:27.380
Or we'll send a team over and go through your data.
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Have they reached out to you and tried to say, wow, this is, uh, this is interesting.
00:36:35.140
We didn't think about this, or this is news to us.
00:36:37.760
Has there been any interaction with CDC that would allow them to see your data and research
00:36:49.320
I mean, we did release it late on a Friday and today I believe is a federal holiday.
00:36:54.120
So not that I'm aware of, but there's still time.
00:36:57.840
I know there's a federal holiday, but you're talking about, let's go to your warning.
00:37:03.720
Talk about what's your, what's your, what's your recommendation.
00:37:06.680
I understand it's a federal holiday and they take off at noon at Friday from working in
00:37:11.760
the government, but you're talking about human lives and particularly your biggest focus right
00:37:22.100
And in Florida, we've obviously been very busy too.
00:37:25.260
You know, we've had hurricane Ian to deal with and I, myself, I've been down in Southwest
00:37:29.980
Florida at some of our county health departments.
00:37:36.220
So certainly I, we, there are other, other things and other, other really important priorities
00:37:46.600
I mean, this is a national, really an international issue since there are young people all over
00:37:53.040
this world who are being told specifically young men to take, to take these mRNA vaccines.
00:37:58.800
And what we found when we looked at overall mortality, we found no effect overall in the general
00:38:08.340
population, but there was a reduction in overall mortality with the COVID-19 vaccines and people over
00:38:14.220
60, which is consistent with some countries that have, I think Denmark, for example, who basically
00:38:20.940
steered away from recommending the vaccine for younger people and instead just recommending
00:38:26.880
it for older people, which of course is not what is happening in this country from the
00:38:31.860
But the most alarming thing we found, and you just, and it was a, it was a isolated finding.
00:38:39.980
So we looked at different age groups, different sexes, the finding wasn't present in any of
00:38:45.880
So folks that are trying to find some way to weasel out of the reality of this finding,
00:38:52.320
I mean, you know, you're going to have to explain why it's only showing up in this group and
00:38:58.100
We found that there was an 84% increase in the relative incidence, essentially the risk
00:39:06.260
over a 28 day period after the vaccines in young men, men between 18 and 39 years old.
00:39:15.000
So 84%, enormous, just a huge effect on their risk of having a cardiac death.
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Given your stand, your personal stand on this, the people don't understand something.
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Steve Cortez is one of the most principled individuals I've ever dealt with in my entire
00:39:41.660
And when this brother says, no, this is what's right and this wrong, you can't budge him.
00:39:47.860
Sir, given your fight, tell me what you see when you see this information put out by the
00:39:53.940
Well, you know, Steve, the first thing is I am so grateful for Dr.
00:39:57.380
Latipo and for Governor DeSantis, who I think is by far the best governor in America, for
00:40:01.740
relying on actual science rather than narrative, for relying on the facts rather than agenda.
00:40:07.280
And what we saw happen on Friday, you know, I hope everybody pays attention, what happened
00:40:15.460
And what we see there, Steve, this is the way the oligarchy works.
00:40:18.200
And we are descending into oligarchy in this country.
00:40:20.380
I think we can save it, but the clock is ticking and the hour is late.
00:40:23.600
We have to save it in less than a month now on November 8th.
00:40:26.020
But what we saw there was the effective collusion, whether they actively colluded or not, they
00:40:31.800
Big pharma, big tech and big government, meaning the public health administration, the public
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health establishment of America, all acting in concert to silence alternative voices.
00:40:42.000
And in the case here, with deadly consequences for young Americans.
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Steve, I firmly believe this, that in time, the more people like Dr.
00:40:49.180
Latipo tell us the truth about these experimental treatments, the more we learn about the vaccines.
00:40:54.060
I think that in time, the fact that tens of millions of Americans were coerced into taking
00:40:59.800
these big pharma injections, Steve, it is going to be regarded as one of the gravest scandals
00:41:04.500
in all of American history, because it was made a prerequisite for employment, for education,
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for sports, for so many aspects of civil life in this country.
00:41:15.460
And so many people who did not want this treatment, who did not need this treatment,
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One of the biggest scandals in the history of this country.
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He's the Surgeon General of the Free State of Florida with a blockbuster book out.
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But I got to tell you one place, Cortese, he was not kicked off, and that was Getter.
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So, Dr. Latipo, did Twitter, did the senior management of Twitter, did any of these social media oligarchs took you down?
00:44:08.700
Did anybody reach out to you and ask you for the backup analytics to ask you about your study, to ask you about anything before they took you down, sir?
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Certainly, they didn't reach out to me personally.
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I guess, in theory, maybe they reached out to the office, but I have heard no such thing.
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But, you know, this whole, I mean, it is really almost criminal, really, in terms of how much disregard that they have for human rights that,
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and I'm not talking just about Twitter, but this whole body that thinks it's okay to crush the voices of others because you don't like their message.
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Here's a message that, this is not a message that is in our interest or in someone else's interest.
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This is a message in terms of the data, the information that we were providing.
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It's a message for people, for humanity, so that people can make informed decisions.
00:45:20.200
You think you've already seen enough evidence and you think our methods are persuasive to you, that you believe that our results are correct?
00:45:30.660
Like, humans, people get to make those choices, but these, this body of tech and other forces that come in and silence people,
00:45:42.520
they don't think human beings have the right to have free access to information that they don't want them to have access to.
00:45:50.080
So, it's, I mean, it's, you know, Twitter, yes, but it's a huge deal.
00:45:53.560
Yeah, Dr. Lappo, just for a second, could you please, I know you're very humble and self-aggressive,
00:45:59.000
just, could you walk through, just take a minute and walk through your academic training, sir?
00:46:03.760
Just, I just, I just want to make sure we get it on the record here again.
00:46:06.540
Just walk me through your, your, your training and your education.
00:46:11.740
So, I went to, I want to have a degree in chemistry from Wake Forest University and I went to medical school at Harvard.
00:46:18.680
I also got a PhD in health policy at Harvard in a quantitative field, which made it easier to do studies like the one we just did,
00:46:26.760
because I have a background in, in, in, in statistics and biostatistics and, in, in economic analysis.
00:46:34.560
And I was a professor at NYU and from there I was a, a tenured professor at UCLA.
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I have, I think I've, I've won a total of four or five NIH grants.
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And at the time I left UCLA for University of Florida, I had four NIH grants.
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Dr. Ladipo, I just want to, just on the record again, no one, as you know, from your office or to you,
00:47:07.240
no one at these social media companies and particularly Twitter that took you down,
00:47:10.420
nobody reached out and asked you for the backup or your professional opinion about the study you put out on Friday that they immediately took down.
00:47:20.160
No, to the best of my knowledge, they didn't contact anyone and they certainly didn't contact me.
00:47:25.060
Dr. Ladipo, real quickly, what, where are you going to go from here on this study?
00:47:31.040
Because this is monumental and we have to make sure everybody in the nation reads the study,
00:47:37.500
understands, can ask questions and then, you know, so what are you going to do?
00:47:42.800
Where do you do with this study and where do you go from here in your research on this vital issue of national importance?
00:47:49.160
Well, we've issued a guideline, which is, I think it's crazy to think that the benefit-risk equation is favorable for young people, young men.
00:48:04.520
That's just insane at this point in the pandemic.
00:48:06.740
Right. And I think that, I think that we need more safety research for sure.
00:48:14.640
And I think that we just, we need more accountability because the thing is, if it had been known that it's absurd.
00:48:22.260
I mean, this is what, this is, you know, think of Vioxx and how that was pulled off when it was found that it was killing people.
00:48:28.400
It was giving, it was giving people heart attacks and that those data were also hidden.
00:48:34.120
And they weren't, they weren't disclosed initially.
00:48:36.620
So this is, this is not, it is not appropriate to be giving people a medication that, you know, a vaccine in this case that increases their risk of dropping debt by, you know, over 80%.
00:48:52.960
You know, you don't give people medications like that.
00:48:55.680
So we just, we need to get back to common sense.
00:49:00.100
And I want to say one other thing real quickly, Steve, about, about the book I wrote.
00:49:07.320
So it's, it's, it's that, you know, what we're doing here and what I'm doing and certainly getting help from other people.
00:49:14.000
My wife is my partner in this in terms of, you know, helping me stay clear about how to kind of navigate all this.
00:49:20.160
Because you, that, I'm, I'm able to do that because of the investment, fortunately, I've made in myself in terms of dealing with all the crap that we all have, whether it's fear or self-doubt or, you know, or whatever, the different things that we, that we all struggle with.
00:49:41.340
And when you get those things out of the way, so much more is possible.
00:49:46.300
Like you can, you can deal with the fact that people are having tantrums online about a study whose results they don't like and not get tossed off target.
00:50:00.280
So that, I want to share that with, with folks because it's something that more people can have access to.
00:50:09.000
How do they get to the study and then go to Amazon to get the book?
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The book is a, from another great book from Tony Lyons and Team at Sky Horse.
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They can go to Florida, the Twitter, it's Florida Surgeon General and the book's on Amazon.
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