Bannon's War Room - Episode 2326： WarRoom： A Thanksgiving Special

00:00:00.000 this is the primal stream of a dying regime pray for our enemies because we're going with the evil

00:00:10.860 on these people i got a free shot all these networks lying about the people the people

00:00:17.480 had a belly full of it i know you don't like hearing that i know you've tried to do everything

00:00:21.380 in the world to stop that but you're not going to stop it it's going to happen and where do

00:00:24.760 people like that go to share the big line mega media i wish in my soul i wish that any of these

00:00:32.480 people had a conscience ask yourself what is my task and what is my purpose if that answer

00:00:39.440 is to save my country this country will be saved war room here's your host stephen k van

00:00:54.760 we've come to the time in the season when family and friends gather near

00:01:09.160 to offer a prayer of thanksgiving for blessings we've known through the years

00:01:18.880 to join hands and thank the creator now when thanksgiving is due

00:01:28.340 and this year when i count my blessings i'm thanking the lord he made you

00:01:37.920 this year when i count my blessings i'm thanking the lord he made you

00:01:47.220 i'm grateful for the laughter of children the sun and the wind and the rain the color of blue

00:02:02.420 in your sweet eyes the sight of a high ball and train the moon rise over a prairie

00:02:13.220 and oh love that you've made new and this year when i count my blessings i'm thanking the lord he made you

00:02:27.220 this year when i count my blessings i'm thanking the lord he made you

00:02:37.220 and when the time comes to be going you won't be in sorrow and tears i'll kiss you goodbye and i'll go on my way grateful for all of the years i think for all that you gave me

00:03:05.220 for teaching me for teaching me for teaching me what love can do

00:03:10.220 and thanksgiving day for the rest of my life i'm thanking the lord he made you

00:03:19.220 and thanksgiving day for the rest of my life i'm thanking the lord he made you

00:03:29.220 okay that's the uh great uh johnny cash and no better way to kick off uh thanksgiving day in our thanksgiving special i want to thank everybody uh for joining us you're in the war room uh and i've got a very uh special next couple hours we're going to spend with each other so i'm sure a lot of the uh war room war

00:03:58.220 war room war fighters or the war room posse are uh on the road now to um to mom's house or grandma's house or to friends uh getting together and we'll spend a couple hours

00:04:07.220 and uh and go through the american tradition of thanksgiving and what it means for our nation

00:04:13.220 and uh what it means for us as a people i couldn't think of a better uh way to do this than larry swiker at the uh co-author of the patriots history of the united states

00:04:23.220 which really when it came out i think not just set a new tone but kind of uh brought back to people what they had forgotten even conservatives about the great love of this country its cultures its uh its mores its uh um you know customs and traditions

00:04:41.220 traditions so let's bring in uh larry first off larry tell me about walk me through um just before we get into the thanksgiving part of it

00:04:50.220 i want to go back and talk about the patriots history and particularly for those people maybe not familiar with you or not familiar with the book

00:04:55.900 how important this book was for the culture of the united states not just for education for learning

00:05:03.280 but when you guys this book came out it was it was a cultural it was really had a big impact

00:05:09.140 on on culture overall it was like wow we never really thought of you know a lot some conservatives had

00:05:16.960 but even most conservatives hadn't in the in the whole nation we had kind of lost a lot of what

00:05:22.180 you and your co-author kind of the framing you put into the uh the country's history tell me about the

00:05:28.040 how you wrote it how you pulled it together uh and why it's important we're gonna get into all the

00:05:32.760 thanksgiving aspects today particularly the pilgrims and the first thanksgiving and then we'll talk about

00:05:38.260 lincoln and the civil war and the traditions of what president lincoln did the national holiday what so tell

00:05:43.860 us first about the patriots history well uh when mike and i started to even talk about writing this

00:05:50.500 we were both college professors and we taught u.s history for a number of years and we were not

00:05:55.900 satisfied with any of the textbooks and some of the ones you might consider more conservative or

00:06:01.320 traditional like the national experience or the american pageant had steadily drifted to the left

00:06:07.880 especially after reagan i used to joke that if you wanted to do a pregnancy test on a textbook to

00:06:14.180 go to the index and look up the reagan section you'd immediately find out where it stood

00:06:19.360 so we started working on this in the late 90s and honestly steve we didn't think we're going to get

00:06:24.760 it published we thought we're going to have to go to kinkos or fedex and get it you know spiral bound

00:06:30.700 and sell it out of the back of a van like you would you know plastic straws in california you know

00:06:36.800 study plastic straws hatred's history you know something like that and uh it was 2 000 pages when

00:06:44.480 we turned it into the publisher and my agent said no that that's not going to work so he chopped a

00:06:50.160 thousand uh 800 pages and then the editors went to work trying to chop another 200 pages and finally

00:06:57.060 we got it down to the magic number of under a thousand pages which brought it to a price point

00:07:02.460 where they thought they could afford to sell it and it had really good initial success i mean it was

00:07:08.380 accepted everywhere by claremont review of books national review everybody except the new york times

00:07:14.500 uh loved it and and reviewed it very well and it quickly became a staple among homeschoolers which

00:07:22.180 by the late 2010s i started to do homeschool conventions because i saw wow these people are using my book

00:07:28.660 maybe i ought to go out and meet some of them and talk to them about the book

00:07:31.920 so the book is now in its fifth edition and its 34th printing that's not bad for a thousand page

00:07:41.700 history book right and uh we've updated it steadily uh with new research and probably the most important

00:07:49.280 change that we made was beefing up the introduction and the early part of the book with what we call the

00:07:55.960 four pillars of american exceptionalism that's something we'll get into today as we talk about the

00:08:01.480 pilgrims because they are the epitome of the four pillars of american exceptionalism

00:08:07.780 i just want to go back when you when you had the idea and you you had it so you guys did this totally

00:08:15.280 on the come you didn't have any publishers lined up when you first started going to publishers

00:08:19.880 was the book rejected by people or was it automatically uh people thought this is exciting and and people

00:08:26.380 should understand 2 000 pages in modern publishing i mean modern publishers wouldn't publish war and

00:08:33.160 peace in its original just because the cost of doing it would it larry i mean they would sit there

00:08:37.760 and go hey uh can you cut can you take about 500 pages off can you make it a little tighter

00:08:43.020 so when when you first when you first went around to talk to publishers what was the feedback you got

00:08:50.700 and who were the who were the publishers that really got serious and took the project on

00:08:54.520 well we had an agent at the time he's now deceased ed knapman and ed and i had worked together on a bunch

00:09:01.400 of uh encyclopedia projects and facts on file books and things like that and he was uh really good to me

00:09:08.820 really helped me out in my my career getting me into more uh pop publishing and just before this book i had

00:09:16.280 taken a turn at a pop book as opposed to an academic book called um the entrepreneurial adventure and i

00:09:23.960 wrote it to be a history of business in america because teaching business and economic history i

00:09:29.720 wasn't happy with any of the business or economic history books and so i combined business and economic

00:09:35.240 history into a single book well my mistake was i went with hardcore brace which was a textbook publisher so

00:09:41.720 i didn't still get my goal of trying to see how i could get things out to the general public so we

00:09:48.520 talked to ed we said we want this to be a popular uh book and if you can't sell it no big deal like i

00:09:55.000 say we'll sell it out of the back of a van or something so i do not know how many publishers ed took

00:10:00.760 it to all i know is he came back he said guys we've got two offers and one was a publisher i had never

00:10:07.000 heard of but the other was he said sentinel which is um a subdivision of penguin books they're starting

00:10:15.160 a new imprint a conservative imprint called sentinel and they want this book to be the premier title

00:10:21.960 in their lead-off season and so uh we ended up with an awesome editor um and uh she um uh was a devout

00:10:33.640 catholic and i recall her telling me that she as she was working on the book she looked down across

00:10:41.000 her new york flat to um a marxist bookstore down there across the street and she said you know someday

00:10:50.120 you guys are going to have to be carrying this book so uh uh it was really amazing to write and then one of

00:10:57.720 the oddest things that occurred is that just as our book was released um tom woods and you probably

00:11:05.720 know who tom is tom had a book come out called the politically incorrect guide to american history

00:11:11.720 which is kind of a competitor it wasn't nearly the depth of patriots history or the analysis but it was

00:11:18.680 the lead-off book to what was a very popular series called the politically incorrect guide series and he

00:11:25.880 beat us by about three weeks and getting out and he got on all the talk shows fox and all the rest

00:11:32.120 here's a new conservative textbook so interestingly when we came out of the gate with this great new

00:11:37.960 book uh we didn't have a whole lot of of media coverage the first person to interview me about

00:11:44.440 the book was laura ingram on her show she did a great job and then the great rush limbaugh called me

00:11:50.280 up and interviewed me for his limbaugh letter and to this date that was one of the best interviews

00:11:55.640 i ever had rush listened to you and and he he he wasn't ready to ask the next next question until

00:12:02.360 he had heard what you had answered to the last question and uh i think he did us a great service

00:12:10.040 when you and your uh and your writing partner mike sat down how did you break it out how did you say hey

00:12:15.880 we're not happy with anything that we teach it for a living we clearly love history we studied it

00:12:20.760 how did you take this entirely new look that quite frankly really did revolutionize people thinking

00:12:26.680 about american history well how did you guys conceive it well that's a great question steve i met mike allen

00:12:33.800 at the western history conference in about 1991 or 1992 in albuquerque he was a historian of the west

00:12:42.280 and the mississippi river valley he also knew colonial history pretty well which is not my specialty i'm not

00:12:48.840 as strong in colonial history as i am in some later histories and um then we kind of forgot about

00:12:55.000 each other and when i decided after writing entrepreneurial adventure i want to see if i

00:13:00.360 can do a national u.s history book i began looking for co-authors and i went through maybe two or three

00:13:06.440 other guys strangely enough political scientists because i thought that they would lend a little more

00:13:12.520 expertise to the early period in the constitution and um then i remembered mike and i said you know

00:13:18.680 what he he fits everything i need uh to to flesh this out better than any of these guys so we got together

00:13:26.360 by phone and he took the uh colonial period for the most part we were each adding stuff and putting stuff in

00:13:35.080 constantly he took uh articles of confederation he did the majority of the west chapter and i didn't

00:13:43.000 much of the rest of it again with him putting in significant amounts of stuff and in our very first

00:13:49.720 iteration the hardcover version we had these uh boxes uh in which we would do vignettes about people like

00:13:58.360 mike fink and daniel boone and other people like that and unfortunately as the book has has gone on

00:14:05.800 to be revised many times we still have to keep it under a thousand pages so we lost a lot of those

00:14:12.520 so what we did was we put a lot of those on the patriots history usa website and today it's available on

00:14:20.280 me to offer a prayer larry we'll get to all that let's take a short commercial break the co-author

00:14:27.160 of the hatred's history of the united states we're here on thanksgiving morning we're talking about

00:14:31.800 the traditions customs history of the first thanksgiving and really the holiday season

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00:16:41.080 you're here uh in our thanksgiving special uh larry swiker uh the co-author of the patriots history is our

00:16:47.480 guest i want to thank him for taking the time away uh from the family during this holiday season to do

00:16:52.760 this with us larry i think a question i always get when we have you on talk about the book what

00:16:59.560 the book is so amazing i recommend everybody that hasn't had a chance and it's a great holiday gift

00:17:04.600 to give the patriots history no one you will give it to will ever say hey i didn't love it it's it's so

00:17:11.640 it's so grabbing the writing of it's so grabbing it's it's amazing what was the thousand what was

00:17:17.880 in the thousand pages you cut out because when you finish it it's a pretty definitive history

00:17:23.400 although i could i could take another five thousand pages of it you know i love the way you guys write

00:17:28.200 and i love history but what was what was the thousand pages that you cut and how tough was i know as a

00:17:35.160 filmmaker the biggest fights are always over what you take out of the film and the biggest fights are those

00:17:40.440 last couple of minutes you got to cut out so what were the fights like what did you take what were

00:17:45.400 the thousand pages you took out what were the topics and how tough is it for you and mike to do it

00:17:50.920 well we took out a lot of social history i'll admit i'm not i'm not as big on social history as many

00:17:57.560 people are we try to keep as much political and economic history and uh as i said we had lots of

00:18:04.440 these vignettes uh one page inserts on um daniel boone or um you know mercy otis warren or somebody

00:18:13.480 like that and we ended up putting all that stuff on our website um on the patriots history usa website

00:18:19.880 and now it's on the wild world of history website free and um but as we were leaving last time i i didn't

00:18:28.760 quite get to this point so mike and i wrote this okay so that that's the size of the book we wrote that

00:18:40.200 without ever meeting personally in the entire time we wrote it i had not met mike again since 1991

00:18:48.920 until a year after the book came out and we did a convention together uh we wrote the whole book

00:18:55.080 through email and phone conversations and steve the most amazing thing about this is there will be

00:19:02.360 passages where i will say to mike you know mike i don't remember writing this this doesn't seem like

00:19:08.280 my wording or my language and mike would say well it sure isn't my wording or my language i i truly

00:19:14.120 believe there was a divine spirit involved in writing this because it's just not either of our our words

00:19:20.600 or phrases or phrases and so we did get to that point we actually came in at 1200 pages

00:19:26.280 and bernadette malone our great uh editor she cut what she could and uh there we still had to get 200

00:19:34.280 more pages out of it and uh she said guys i can't do anything more your agent took a shot at it he cut

00:19:41.960 out 800 pages i've cut out 200 but we still have to get 80 000 more words out of it so she said i'm going

00:19:49.160 to an outside editor a guy named david frigoso and david did an incredible job steve if you could look

00:19:57.240 at the cuts he made they you go how did he take that out and not change the flow at all but he did he

00:20:05.160 was able to take out about 80 000 words and still keep the book to where it just flowed

00:20:11.000 people have to understand that the publisher but 80 80 000 words is a book today i mean that's a

00:20:20.280 that's the books you'll buy over the christmas period a lot of the a lot of the books that we

00:20:25.080 that we you know bring authors on to help promote the book and and and reach the audience are 80 000

00:20:33.160 words so he actually the the third guy that got to it took out basically another book that's amazing

00:20:39.640 i tell you he took out a book really incredible let me let me before we get into the specific

00:20:47.080 thanksgiving part what was the uh genius of it itself you guys had been historians you had taught

00:20:57.400 history to college students you weren't happy even some of the great texts that are out there what was

00:21:04.280 it when you first started off and never tell you met but what was it that said hey we we need to tell

00:21:10.440 the story this way or we need to let the story tell itself this way but it comes out as very different

00:21:16.680 and that's why i think people love this so much because you you don't avoid any of the controversies

00:21:22.200 of american history you don't avoid any of the um i don't say scars but any of the we're like you know

00:21:29.400 we're fallen people like everybody in the judeo-christian west you know our core beliefs

00:21:35.240 you don't look away from the faults of america but you come away from your book uh every time

00:21:42.600 you're reading it and you stop you feel kind of joyful or you feel like you're part of some greater

00:21:47.800 what i call task and purpose how did you guys think of that at the time to actually conceive it and

00:21:53.000 structure it that it would be like that well mike wrote the line in the introduction i think kind of

00:21:58.520 defines the book and he said uh it's not my country uh always right um not my country right or wrong

00:22:07.880 but it is certainly not my country always wrong which is pretty much where most of the textbooks had

00:22:13.960 gotten by the 1990s it was just a litany of criticism and everything was starting even then to be framed in

00:22:21.640 light of race class gender so obviously nothing that any of the founders did could possibly be right

00:22:30.120 so it's kind of an interesting story about development in that when mike and i first write

00:22:35.560 this we knew that there was a key element to the american character about what it was that made america

00:22:43.400 special but in the very first edition we didn't quite nail it we we got close uh but we were still kind

00:22:50.600 of grasping it if you read that first introduction and then as i went on to write uh other books with

00:22:56.600 another fellow david doherty we wrote a patriot's history of the modern world and um in fact i think

00:23:03.240 i have that one here this one and um yeah david david said you know and by the way this is an interesting

00:23:14.280 story in itself david was the first reviewer on amazon to have a big review he's the first review

00:23:20.680 up and at the time he said a a great great book or a terrific book but not without its faults

00:23:29.640 faults our book has faults what faults do we have and so at the time you could uh they they had the

00:23:36.360 email addresses of the reviewers and i contacted david i said hey i'm the writer of this i i like to know

00:23:41.880 your opinion what did we do wrong and so he started to tell me a few things i said wait a minute that's

00:23:47.160 that seems to be a lot of stuff that you think we got wrong so i said i'll tell you what i will pay

00:23:53.160 you a token amount if you would go through the whole book and if you would just list every single

00:23:58.440 error you think there is in there and so he did he sent me back 14 pages now it wasn't all errors a

00:24:04.840 lot of it was was differences in interpretation so on but it was really eye-opening to see okay we

00:24:10.840 we need to clarify this we need to address that but the main thing dave said was you don't come

00:24:17.160 to grips with what it is to be uh to have american exceptionalism what is it that makes america

00:24:24.920 exceptional and and i looked at our introduction i thought that's right we kind of danced around that

00:24:30.200 a little bit and so dave and i set out and then we we got mike involved again and we came up with

00:24:36.280 what we call the four pillars of american exceptionalism and that defined the book that

00:24:42.600 that's what really made the book uh super special in that no one else has has looked at this and and

00:24:49.720 you can read um things like nile ferguson or some of these other people who who've looked at american

00:24:55.880 exceptionalism william bennett and they miss the boat they're they're just well it's a written

00:25:01.080 constitution well i'm sorry cameroon has a written constitution they got a dictator you know i mean

00:25:07.960 and so what we came up with was the the four pillars of american exceptionalism and that is

00:25:14.520 a christian mostly protestant religious tradition which no other nation in the world had at its

00:25:20.440 family none common law uh private property with written titles and deeds and a free market economy

00:25:28.520 and what's amazing is you find all four of those present in plymouth at thanksgiving

00:25:37.080 so let's go through that before we go to break i want to go through that to set the framework for

00:25:40.600 for the uh for the audience we got a couple minutes walk us through what are the four pillars

00:25:45.880 okay so you have a christian mostly protestant religious tradition how does that differ from england

00:25:51.880 england's not protestant they were anglican they were a top-down religious structure

00:25:58.760 but the uh pilgrims the the puritans were bottom up they were congregational common law says that god

00:26:06.840 puts the law in the hearts of the people and the people elect or select leaders to carry it out

00:26:12.280 totally different from divine right of kings or what later came with napoleon and civil law

00:26:19.560 private property of the written titles and deeds very important we could spend 15 minutes just on this one

00:26:25.080 and it's far more important than most people realize and is woven into the articles of confederation

00:26:31.960 in laws that i think are our most important laws even aside from the constitution and then the last one's

00:26:36.920 a free market economy which of course makes it possible for both jamestown and and plymouth to survive

00:26:45.800 because until they changed to a free market economy they were dying literally dying

00:26:50.520 larry why don't we hang on for a second we'll take a short break here on our uh on our thanksgiving um

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00:27:19.480 going to talk about the four pillars of american exceptionalism and how they started with the

00:27:24.520 pilgrims the puritans that this year when i count my blessings i'm thanking the lord he made you

00:27:36.200 this year when i count my blessings i'm thanking the lord he made you

00:27:43.640 this year and when the time comes to be going you won't be in sorrow and tears i'll kiss you goodbye

00:28:01.800 and i'll go on my way grateful for all of the years i think for all that you gave me

00:28:13.720 for teaching me what love can do and thanksgiving day for the rest of my life it's hard to grasp why

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00:29:38.120 from their origins now england has common law but they they didn't have a protestant religious

00:29:45.160 tradition from their their origins that is the idea of bottom-up church governance and you know our

00:29:51.720 point is that this is what kind of imbued americans with the idea of revolution of um uh we we aren't

00:30:01.240 going to be dictated to from above that everything has to come from as lincoln said you know of the

00:30:07.240 people for the people by the people it's got to be uh from the populist base

00:30:11.880 walk us through um let's go to the beginning the pilgrims now i i come from the commonwealth of

00:30:20.920 virginia and i remember as a little child it would be these heated debates of whether the first

00:30:25.400 thanksgiving was at jamestown or the first thanksgiving were the pilgrims at the uh at the colony in

00:30:31.880 massachusetts so walk us through what was it is the i think today generally the consensus is it was the

00:30:38.280 pilgrims uh is that is that true because both of these were very the virginia company was a collection

00:30:44.200 of essentially i call them freebooters right entrepreneurs i guess you would say in your book

00:30:49.880 whereas the pilgrims were probably among the most serious religious people i think have been created

00:30:56.280 on earth larry swiker well um you're both right uh there were thanksgivings in jamestown and there

00:31:05.160 were thanksgivings in the uh plymouth colony before the official thanksgiving but plymouth was

00:31:11.160 the first officially announced by the governor thanksgiving holiday so um the reason that that

00:31:19.880 we like to say that plymouth and not jamestown is the real focus of america's origin is that jamestown

00:31:28.200 as you just mentioned it did not have a protestant religious tradition they were all anglicans

00:31:33.800 it did not have common law they had a uh they were directed by england and by the the king

00:31:40.200 over there um both of the colonies ended up with um private property with written titles and deeds

00:31:47.800 and both eventually ended up with a free market economy but not not at the uh outset so um

00:31:55.000 um what makes plymouth special is that it has these four qualities these four pillars all from the

00:32:03.960 start and uh the last one to come along was a free market economy which they got in 1630 when they

00:32:11.160 created a a uh grinding mill and some of their number had to actually work the mill and be paid

00:32:18.040 uh in in grain from the other farmers they could no longer be farmers themselves right so um what the

00:32:26.600 two colonies did have in common of course was that they starved until uh they they released socialism

00:32:34.440 they came over with a socialist uh structure and uh you know what happened in virginia that the starving

00:32:42.360 time they lost literally half of their colony and and the the diaries and so forth say people were

00:32:48.680 eating rats and dung and shoelaces and you know my wife and i like to watch these uh chopped these

00:32:56.120 cooking shows the guy goes open your basket your market basket of goods well i've got a rat i got

00:33:01.880 dung i got shoelaces and a rock and i know exactly what i'm gonna do i'll make a nice rat puree and

00:33:07.320 wrap some shoelaces you know so uh uh both of them had the same problem and it was that socialism

00:33:14.920 did not work and in each case they both said okay enough here's your land here's your land here's your

00:33:21.160 land here's your brain here's your brain here's your brain beat it you're on your own john smith of

00:33:26.360 course said he who will not work will not eat governor carver was much the same way william

00:33:32.200 bradford who was a young man at the time said it was as if we thought we were wiser than god

00:33:37.720 to have this he wouldn't call it socialist but to have this socialist system so that's what saved

00:33:44.600 them and of course allowed uh the pilgrims to even have a thanksgiving was they had an abundance

00:33:50.680 for the first time after they got rid of this socialist structure they lived in people you know

00:33:59.080 don't realize they lived in pretty tough and dangerous times i mean you'd had i guess the

00:34:03.720 english civil war you got and these people were considered uh radicals i mean today in the united

00:34:10.360 states they would be considered kind of fringe right i mean and they went to and when they left

00:34:16.920 england and went to holland they were kind of kicked out of there because they're they were not easy to get

00:34:21.080 along with right they had their they had a world view that was quite different than the accepted norm and i i

00:34:27.480 think people kind of missed that is as the founders of our country they came here not only they were a

00:34:33.720 little ornery uh they're very tough people obviously kind but very tough but they had a unique vision of

00:34:39.640 the world that was not acceptable to their to their own mother country correct right hence the name

00:34:47.480 separatists right but what's so interesting is that when the pilgrims come over uh half their number are not

00:34:56.280 puritans they are called strangers uh so the one of the most amazing things is is on the mayflower

00:35:05.560 before they ever get off and and go uh ashore they they draft this compact and it does three

00:35:13.960 things now people will remember that they they landed off course they landed up massachusetts as

00:35:20.040 opposed to they're supposed to be down in virginia and technically that put them at risk of being called

00:35:26.360 traitors i mean they weren't where they were supposed to be weren't where the king told them they could be

00:35:30.280 and so in this mayflower compact the first thing they did is they pledged their allegiance to the

00:35:36.040 king oh king oh dude man we love you man we're not trying to we're not trying to uh be rebels here

00:35:43.800 the second thing they did was to um establish that the strangers were going to be treated as equal members

00:35:53.960 of society even though they weren't pilgrims or puritans and um the third thing they did was they

00:36:00.520 established that they were going to elect their own governor that's common law so this is uh amazing

00:36:08.280 and you look at the mayflower compact it's a short little document right and and that they accomplished

00:36:13.480 these three things was uh really quite remarkable and so from the outset they they said we believe this

00:36:20.680 way and we firmly believe this and you might know that the pilgrims the puritans at the time to be

00:36:27.960 accepted into their church you had to go through quite a process you had to give your conversion story

00:36:35.240 and it better be a good one and you couldn't just say well i kind of thought about it and i decided i

00:36:39.720 like jesus no that wasn't going to do it you had to you had to say well i was i was drinking four

00:36:45.720 bottles of jambeam a day and i was mainlining mayonnaise i was just shooting mayonnaise right in my

00:36:49.800 veins and i hit rock bottom and that's when i decided i needed god and you had to have a good

00:36:55.560 conversion story for these guys and um the problem of course came over time is who's really saved how

00:37:03.880 do we know who is really saved this of course is one of the problems for any religious group how do we

00:37:09.160 know know who's truly accepted by god and who isn't and and their their solution this was the halfway covenant

00:37:16.440 right um we're if you if you say you're a christian we're going to accept that you're a christian and

00:37:23.080 that's how they they finally got around all that they barely talk about when they came particularly

00:37:31.080 the mayflower these boats are incredibly small it was a very tough passage and then when they get here

00:37:36.840 they they barely hang on i mean they have to bring and and people got to think back this is a

00:37:41.800 very hostile environment and just daily survival is is difficult walk us through that had they even

00:37:49.400 got a foothold before the abundance uh came and they were and they could give thanks to god i mean

00:37:57.000 they barely hung on i mean it was it was it was a hair's breadth of the experiment being uh being a

00:38:03.400 failure like in roanoke uh island and other places that are trying to get a foothold here in north america

00:38:09.320 well the first thing they did people kind of think that the mayflower arrived and they hopped on these

00:38:16.040 little boats and they they rowed ashore and that wasn't the case they stayed on the mayflower for some

00:38:21.240 time as they sent out scouting parties and they they looked around one of the great myths is that they

00:38:27.640 took the land from the indians absolutely not true the indians had evacuated that land many many years

00:38:34.840 earlier because apparently of a plague we're not sure but most anthropologists think they left because

00:38:41.640 of signs of a plague and so i mean how's that for an inauspicious beginning you're landing in a plague

00:38:48.920 zone and when they finally do come ashore their first task is to set up some really cruddy little huts

00:38:56.680 that they're going to be cold like nothing you can believe they can't seal these things off so they're

00:39:02.120 going to be incredibly cold if you have to have a window you have to tape not tape you had to a nail

00:39:10.040 over a cloth over the window to close the window i mean they didn't have glass um they had dirt floors

00:39:18.520 you know sometimes they could get hay or thatch on the floor but basically dirt floor you can imagine

00:39:24.040 trying to vacuum that it's going to be a problem and so much of their early food came from the sea and

00:39:31.160 they would they would fish a lot mussels and clams a lot of of seafood and so on um they brought english

00:39:39.960 growing methods not all of them were suited to massachusetts and of course they could hunt

00:39:49.160 but you don't always find the game you need when you need to hunt and so eventually what happened was

00:39:55.240 that with the um socialist system of land ownership uh people were doing less and less work that there

00:40:03.720 wasn't the incentive necessary for people to invest in the land and really improve the land and then

00:40:11.320 at about the same time that they um decide to ditch that system uh they meet squanto this indian who spoke

00:40:18.520 uh english and this is another thing that the uh pilgrims did not have to deal with that the guys in

00:40:26.680 jamestown did which the people in jamestown were under constant indian attack all the time i mean they

00:40:32.680 had to really anytime you go out to work fields you had to post a guard um this wasn't the situation with

00:40:39.640 the um plymouth colony as much and they made uh friends or at least um uh cordial relations with the

00:40:48.520 indian tribes there and and this is an important point that i think uh our viewers need to understand

00:40:56.680 larry why don't you hold that right there i'm gonna use it to uh keep the audience hanging as we come

00:41:02.600 back this is absolutely fascinating of course um what about divine providence that the that you come

00:41:09.240 upon a uh an indian in the middle of a primordial forest that speaks english we're going to find out

00:41:17.080 about uh squanto and the plymouth colony next when we return to the water

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00:43:56.440 the color of blue in your sweet eyes okay welcome back thanks good morning if you're

00:44:09.000 on the road or at home appreciate you uh either watching listening on the podcast later

00:44:15.400 the co-author of the patriots history of the united states larry swiker joins me so larry

00:44:19.960 you left us hanging give us the punchline okay well um i i found this in the break i wanted your

00:44:28.520 your viewers to hear this this is uh uh bradford describing what happened under under their socialist

00:44:36.120 system he said um young men that were most fit and able for labor and service did repine that they

00:44:45.080 should spend their time and strength to work for other men's wives and children without any

00:44:49.480 recompense we thought it was injustice and uh the colonists uh after they they changed and and

00:44:57.880 divided up the territory saw quote no want w-a-n-t-e that summer and of course that's when they meet uh

00:45:05.560 a squanto and um i made the point that the uh colonists did not take the indians land um but but rather

00:45:14.360 the indians at the time and something people just kind of forget or miss they didn't see the white man

00:45:21.960 as an existential threat to their civilization maybe they should have but they didn't instead

00:45:27.480 they viewed the whites as just one more indian tribe and so you constantly see alliances between

00:45:34.040 the iroquois and the mohawk and the huron and all these different indian groups and white groups whether

00:45:39.480 they're british or french and that's why you end up with something called the french and indian war

00:45:45.000 the french did not fight the indians in the french and indian war the french and indians fought the

00:45:50.360 british and um so it was quite common for these tribes uh often for very short periods of time to ally

00:45:59.320 with with whites to ally with the colonists both at jamestown and at plymouth in order to get an

00:46:04.840 advantage over uh another tribe this is one thing i think i think a lot of people that um

00:46:12.440 you know attack uh americans or the whites for the taking the land these they had a very

00:46:18.200 sophisticated alliances and they were continually flip-flopping and the tribes were almost caught

00:46:24.600 this wasn't it's not like you came into some peaceable kingdom they were constantly at war with

00:46:29.480 each other and in fact i think the pilgrims arrived in in at an inflection point uh of this conflict

00:46:35.560 and squanto was looking he was representing his tribe looking for an ally tell about them or tell

00:46:40.600 about how the surprise but how a a native american kind of appears out of nowhere and he speaks pretty

00:46:48.040 good english how did how did that happen and how shocked were uh bradford in the uh in the plymouth uh

00:46:55.240 colony well you know uh squanto had been captured earlier by another expedition taken back to england

00:47:02.680 where he was basically a slave for a short time and then he i forget exactly how he returned but he

00:47:09.160 returns there so obviously these guys are going well this guy speaks english he probably spoke english better

00:47:15.080 than some of them right um but your point uh reminded me uh of where you say that this was not a peaceable

00:47:22.920 kingdom these uh indian tribes are engaged in alliances uh i used to teach a course called

00:47:28.280 technology and the culture of war which is kind of a military history course and i would show a picture

00:47:35.080 of a group of um apaches and they were wearing u.s army cavalry uniforms and they were cavalry scouts they

00:47:47.400 were personnel for the u.s army who were going after other tribes that they didn't like right

00:47:53.320 so this was this is a very common stratagem among all of the early uh early tribes and and again they

00:48:00.680 didn't figure out that the whites were the biggest threat to them uh until much much later talk to us

00:48:07.720 about how did they come up with the concept what did they have to go through that they came with

00:48:12.280 the concept as a group that they wanted to set aside time to actually give thanks give thanks to god

00:48:19.480 this is very common i mean uh obviously they had regular church services uh their number of church

00:48:25.320 services would probably make most of us blanch or we couldn't nobody today could sit through an all-day

00:48:31.240 church service on sunday as they did every every sunday right i mean it was very common to do that um

00:48:38.680 and uh they had set aside many of these days of thanksgiving already as i said as they had in in

00:48:46.200 jamestown so it was it was a very common thing to to say we need to acknowledge that uh our gifts came from

00:48:53.640 god um but carver decided to set aside this one particular day after for the first growing season

00:49:03.240 they really had a surplus uh otherwise they had just been getting by as we said and so this was the

00:49:08.760 first time they had a surplus and it's not what many of the teachers say that the the pilgrims were

00:49:14.920 giving thanks to the indians for bringing them stuff now they did teach them how to grow some potatoes yes

00:49:20.520 but no they were giving thanks to god and they invited the indians to join in their ceremony which

00:49:27.320 they did um i tell you what let's what i want to do is i want to take a break we're going to take a

00:49:36.600 break at the top of the hour uh we're going to come back and i want to talk about um the four pillars

00:49:41.800 to bring it forward we're going to talk about lincoln we're going to talk about the um

00:49:45.480 um um the the the holiday going forward and how and what it's meant to american history

00:49:52.600 tp usa uh dot com slash war room we're going to have this big gathering it's actually the 17th i've

00:49:59.080 been saying the 16th it's the 17th i think through the 20th in metro phoenix uh tucker carlson is going

00:50:06.120 to be there candace owens going to be there i'm going to be there of course charlie kirk and the team

00:50:10.280 at turning point usa is going to put it on and they um and they got jack posovic you have darren

00:50:15.720 beady many many of the people you see on the war room uh all the time as our contributors will be

00:50:20.760 there plus much more it's going to be quite intense and really lay out a path to go forward in 2023

00:50:27.640 so i want to thank charlie and everybody for putting it on and inviting us also if you go to

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00:50:38.920 uh the cartels that run college and you get a sense of that trillion dollars that a federal judge has

00:50:44.440 told the biden regime they can't just fob that off on working class people you got to get congress to

00:50:51.880 pass a law about it but you understand the college cartel and why you're paying for deadbeat uh

00:50:57.960 uh social justice warriors that can't get real employment okay we're going to take a short break

00:51:03.240 larry swyke with the co-author of the patriot's history of the united states by the way a gift

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