Episode 3186： Meltdown Over The 14th
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Amy Poehler joins me to discuss the impact of a Donald Trump presidency, and what it would mean for the world order if he were elected, and why we should be worried about it. She also talks about the dangers of third party candidates and how to deal with them.
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What the the economist writes, knowing that America would abandon Europe, Mr. Putin would
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have an incentive to fight on in Ukraine and to pick off former Soviet countries such as Moldova
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or the Baltic states. Without American pressure, Israel is unlikely to generate an internal
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consensus for peace talks with the Palestinians, calculating that Mr. Trump does not stand by his
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allies. Japan and South Korea could acquire nuclear weapons by asserting that America has
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no global responsibility to help deal with climate change. Mr. Trump would crush efforts to slow it.
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And he is surrounded by China hawks who believe confrontation is the only way to preserve
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American dominance. Caught between a deal making president and his warmongering officials,
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China could easily miscalculate over Taiwan with catastrophic consequences. Talk to me
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about how much less safe America is with that vision of the new global order.
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America is much less safe right now. I think that this has always been shaped in the context
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of a political story. What's going to happen if he wins? This is a national security story right now.
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He is a threat right now. He is threatening people in America. He is validating our enemies. And he
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is the leader of what I've called the American insurgency. It's a social movement that seeks
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to reverse the election, overthrow the government and install him as the leader. That is happening right
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now. Every day he's out in the streets. He's posting social media. He is disrupting our civilization.
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He is an immediate national security threat that the national security apparatus is thinking about.
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I think we look at this. What happens if he wins? What happens if he's out and doing this for the
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next 11 months? I think that is the more immediate threat. We've got to move that bar closer back
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because he's got, at the end of the day, millions of people who are angry with guns who will do what
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he says. And I think we have to approach it in that kind of framework first and most of all.
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And I think also if you if he does win and you think about what that means for sort of the
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geopolitical order, Amy referenced the greatest generation, right? And in the greatest generation,
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America was part of the allied powers that were for liberal democracy and freedom against the
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axis powers that were for authoritarianism and dictatorship. There is a rising axis of
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authoritarians out there in the world right now. It includes Russia. It includes China. It includes
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countries like Turkey and Hungary who are trading ideas and working together. Whether there is a cold
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war or God forbid, a hot war, the notion that America in the 21st century would be on the side of the
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axis powers is a terrifying thought. We don't make America great again by putting us on the axis side
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and not the allied side. Let me ask you, though, as someone who focuses a lot on elections, if every U.S.
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election moving forward becomes this plea to voters, democracy is on the line. One, what does that do to the
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nature of our elections and two, can you ever advance as a country as and as a society if democracy
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itself always remains in peril? You can't. You can't have a sustainable democracy where one of the
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two parties has been captured by an extremist authoritarian movement and is consistently
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representing the potential end of free democracy. But I don't think that's where we necessarily need to
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be. We have a significant anti-MAGA, anti-authoritarian majority in this country.
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The challenge we have is some of our electoral system design choices actually make it so that a
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plurality, not a majority, could end up the electoral college. And if you go back and look at the early
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20th century, after the Great Depression, a loss of faith in institutions, you see a fracturing of
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parties around the world in the United States, in Europe, a lot like we're seeing today where we're
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seeing a fracturing of parties, third-party candidates rising. And the danger is when it
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fractures like that, a plurality faction can sneak through and people who do not represent a majority
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of views can take power. It's why some of these third-party candidates represent one of the greatest
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threats right now, because they could create a situation in which a very unpopular authoritarian
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leader could sneak through and take power again. And breaking in just the last hour, Speaker Mike
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Johnson announcing that security footage of the January 6th attack will be made available to the
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public. That includes footage that was given to then Fox News host Tucker Carlson by Speaker Kevin
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McCarthy earlier this year. You poured through this footage. You took steps to make sure that the
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footage didn't disclose sensitive security information. Your reaction to Speaker Johnson's move today?
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Yeah, it's dangerous. You know, the Capitol Police gave it to us, Alicia, with really strict conditions
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that we needed to clear with them before we publicly showed any of that footage. That's relevant because
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it demonstrates some events in and around the Capitol. There are security cameras posted all over
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the complex, but the specific location of those cameras is closely held, law enforcement-sensitive
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information. And if they're all disclosed, then a map can essentially be recreated as to where
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they are. That will make it easier for future rioters who are intent on disrupting another joint
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session of Congress or official proceeding to circumvent those cameras. So it's really risky to just throw
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the doors open and make them together without any protection. There's also the fact that just this week
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you had a Republican congressman peddling conspiracy theories about what actually happened on January 6th,
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trying to argue that the FBI was involved in January 6th. You take this footage and you put it in the
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hands of bad actors. Who knows where it goes? Well, and I think it's a bit weird that Mike Johnson is doing
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this. He's recently become the Speaker of the House, right? He was a sort of consensus candidate when they
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kind of panicked after three weeks of Republicans not having a speaker. And also, he recently endorsed Donald
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Trump. So you have to wonder, is he doing this as like a campaign stunt or is he doing this in his job as
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Speaker of the House? Break it down a little bit more for our viewers so they have a better
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understanding because I, too, am saying this is a head-scratcher.
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It really is, Katie. And you were talking before about Congress and the budgetary crisis with
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Congress kicking the can down the road. This is an example of a judge kicking the can up the road.
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She's made this baseline finding that Trump participated in insurrection. But to be removed from the ballot
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under Section 3 of the 14th Amendment, you have to have taken an oath as an officer of the United
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States. And she curiously found that the president is not an officer of the United States. There's some
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technical legal jargoning going on here. Now this will go to the Colorado Supreme Court for a decision
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as to whether they'll reverse and find that Trump. This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
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Pray for our enemies. Because we're going medieval on these people.
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I got a free shot. All these networks lying about the people. The people have had a belly full of it.
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I know you don't like hearing that. I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that,
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but you're not going to stop it. It's going to happen. And where do people like that go to share
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the big line? MAGA media. I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
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Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose? If that answer is to save my country,
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this country will be saved. War Room. Here's your host, Stephen K. Vance.
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It's Saturday, 18 November, the year of our Lord, 2023. We're kicking off. This is the week of
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Thanksgiving, our favorite show of the week, the Saturday morning show. A lot to get to in the,
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what are we, the nerve center of the American insurgency? That's all that discussion at the front,
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which is, it shows you the danger of this economist cover story for their year and looking forward to
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2024, where it calls MAGA and Donald Trump the most dangerous forces in the entire world. I want you
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to think about that for a second. We're going to go through that the entire show today. We got a lot
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to get to. From Rome, we're going to be in Romania with the COVID conference. Ben Harnwell is going to
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join us at Rome. We're going to go out to Tyler, Texas with Bishop Joseph Strickland. But I want to
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start with Julie Kelly. In this J6 footage, Mike Davis is going to join us from Denver, so we're going
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to cover everything today, including the southern border. So let's get to work. Julie Kelly, they're not
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happy that the footage has finally been released. Folks, I want you to understand that after 11 months
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and power, we finally, Mike Johnson finally gives us the footage. Julie, walk us through all of it,
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ma'am. So let's take a little victory lap here. As I said on Twitter last night, we have to take the
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small victories when we get them. And this certainly is a victory. You have been pressuring House
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Republicans to do this. I certainly have my first article about releasing the tapes I wrote in May of
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2021 when we found out that at least 14,000 hours of security footage had been put under protective
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orders as court proceedings occurred for January 6th defendants. So this is a big win because to
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your point, all the right people are melting down, not just the people that you see on MSNBC, but you
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see Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger lashing out, Jamie Raskin lashing out. But look, this is just the start.
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The American people have not seen this footage. We have seen some of it. I have access to some of
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this footage. I've seen it. I've posted some of it, but the majority of the public has not seen this.
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And that is why these people are freaking out. And this is just the beginning of the breaking of the
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dam here, Steve. There's going to be more footage released that not just show police helping people
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in, but the level of police brutality that day that prompted a lot of the clashes between protesters
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and, uh, and police, there's going to be a lot more seen. And as I said, this is the beginning of
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the breaking of the dam to the point that you have made. And I've made also, we need a January 6th select
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committee run by Republicans, put these people like Tim Heafy, who was just interviewed. Why did
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Tim Heafy cover up Heapy or whatever his name is? Why did the January 6th committee cover up parts of
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their investigation related to the involvement of federal agencies and the FBI? Why didn't the
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January 6th committee interview FBI director, Christopher Wray? How can you have an investigation
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and not interview the head of the top law enforcement agency in the country? So there's a lot more
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truth to be revealed about January 6th. And Steve, you could see the response on our side
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on social media. This is a huge issue to the base and Republicans are getting to see that first and
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foremost. This is a huge issue, not just the truth and the coverup, but of course the 1200 Americans and
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counting who have been ensnared in this abusive retaliatory department of justice investigation.
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I was just in Washington this week. I sat in jury selection for another January 6th defendant,
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478 days between his arrest and his trial and watching this DC jury pool come through the comments
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that they make about January 6th and their, and the protesters speaks to not just the unfair trials
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that are going on. But how in the hell is Donald Trump going to get a fair jury seated for his March
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4th trial in the nation's Capitol? There's so much happening with this, which is why House Republicans
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now need to take the next step and create their own committee because the videos are just only one part
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of this. I want to repeat this. It's imperative for Johnson to, when he gets back, I think on Tuesdays,
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the first day back a week, he must reinstate the joint committee on, on, on J six, let them have a
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ranking member, let them have minority council. Let's set it up the right way. Not, not the way
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that was set up. It's one of the reasons, one of the, one of the key arguments I've made in my case,
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which I don't talk much about, but this is, you can't do it the way Nancy Pelosi did it. You have
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to do it by the rules, but Johnson must set this up. We must have the house go through and do a formal
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event. This must be adjudicated with Democrats throwing in two things. We must adjudicate now
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must be done is number one. We have to get to the bottom of J six and this footage is part of it.
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We have to get to the bottom of it. Wherever it leads has to get to the bottom of it. All of it,
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all of it. And you also have to investigate Nancy Pelosi's committee. Doesn't this committee,
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this committee, I think, I think there's, I think there's brazen criminality and what they did.
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And I think that will be proven criminality. Are you, do you agree with me? Julie, you follow this
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closer than any person in the country. Do you agree with me? Absolutely. They have already buried
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evidence. We are still waiting for the production of records from the secret service that have now
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been buried at the department of justice, department of Homeland security and the Biden white
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house. So there are still records that, uh, Barry Loudermilk, who is the head of the house
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administrative committee who has been looking into this. He has sent letters to the Biden white
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house and DHS and other authorities seeking these missing records. Get this, Steve, all of the video
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interviews, you know, they, they offered the J six committee would offer clips of that during their
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televised performances. None of those video, um, none of that footage has been archived or given over
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to house Republicans. Why not? Because we know we're going to be able to compare what was really
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said, or at least the context of some of these clips. Also, I want all of those, those four celebrity
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January six committee, uh, January six cops, Mike Fanone, Dan Hodges, Ecclina Gunnell, and Harry Dunn.
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They not only lied under oath to Congress in that hearing, they have lied under oath in court testimony
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and victim impact statements that have prompted longer prison sentences because they've all lied
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about what they endured on January six, what they saw allegations of racism. Michael Fanone was almost
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killed. We also have footage that totally contradicts that those four need to be put back on the stand
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under oath and explain their lies. Amen. Offense, offense, offense. Julie, where did we go to get you
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social media, your site, your sub stack, all of it? Sub stack declassified with Julie Kelly,
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Julie, thank you so much for taking time today. Julie Kelly, we need to go on offense. The tip of
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the tip of the spear, Julie Kelly, three years of her life covering this. Short break, Mike Davis in
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Okay, we got Mike Davis, Jeff Clark, and Cash Patel. We're going to get to the bottom,
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and I wanted to tee it up first with the J6 footage because it's inextricably linked.
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Look, why is the economists doing this? Why are they in melting? Why now are you part of an
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American insurgency? MAGA is the worst thing in the world. This is all Biden runs against. You guys
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are criminal in nature. You're the backbone of the nation, but you're the worst people ever born and
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are set to destroy the United States of America. Why is that? Because we're getting stronger every day.
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They know that. The MAGA tide is ascendant. They understand that. They understand we're much
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more sophisticated and tougher than in 2016. That's why you have all these people working
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on all these different efforts about deconstructing the administrative state when President Trump takes
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office again. No more games, as President Trump would say. You can't go forward until you get to
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the bottom of the 2020 steel, and you can't go forward until you get to the bottom of J6. Just
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can't do it. These things will fester for decades. Always be questioned. We have to have the truth come
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out. Whatever the truth leads us, wherever the facts lead, the facts have to come out on both those
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events. They must come out. They must come out now. Speaker Johnson needs to re-initiate the J6
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Committee and not a bogus like Benny Thompson and Pelosi. You have to have a ranking member,
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a Democrat, and they have to have minority counsel. That's the American common law system. It has to.
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They have to be able to see evidence. They have to be the cross-examined witnesses. If we had done
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this the original way, it wouldn't be in this situation today. That must happen. And Speaker
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Johnson can make it happen. And look, this is not a shiny toy. We don't jump on shiny toys here. The J6
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footage is incredible. Some of the stuff has come out. If we can play that one thing that
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Benny Johnson, and I think Dom Lucra, I think Dom Lucra put it up first, got over a million
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hits. If we can play that. You see right here, this is a federal asset. Look at this
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guy. He's all dressed up. He's got a helmet on, never takes the helmet off. He's handcuffed.
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They take him off to the side. They undo the handcuffs. And then he fist bumps one of the
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officers, one of the Capitol Hill officers, or one of the DHS guys. You're telling me
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that's a J6? You're telling me that's a, first off, if that's a J6 guy, why are they doing
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it? Doesn't feel like an insurrection. That's the type of question you have to get to. You
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have to get to who is that guy? He has to come forward, testify. You got to get, you got
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to get ready. You got to get all of them. This stinks to high heaven. People know that. And
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now that we're in power, and it is obscene, and this is one of the McCarthy situations in
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the establishment, because they don't want, the Republican establishment hates you as
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much or even more than the radical left. I know that may be hard to believe, but it's
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true. That's why they suppress this. It's November going into December of the first year
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that we've taken the House, and we haven't done this yet, but it must happen immediately.
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Ask Philip Patrick, ask that question. Just wait for the answer. Okay, Mike Davis. Denver is a lot
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more complicated than people. She blanked. It's a huge win for the president. But this is set up
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here. I want you to walk through it. I've got Clark here and I've got cash because we got to get to
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the bottom of all this and they're going to use this as political warfare. There's no doubt. Walk us
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through, walk us through where we are in Colorado, sir.
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Who is legally biased. She donated last year, last, last October to an anti-Trump January 6th PAC
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with its mission to chase Republicans out of office. The government, the Democrat governor named
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Sarah Wallace as a judge in August, effective January 2023. Between when the governor named her
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and when she took the bet, she made this donation to this anti-Trump January 6th PAC. So at the
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beginning of the trial, Trump filed a motion to recuse and she said, oh, I don't remember making this
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donation. Regardless, I can still be fair. Well, that's not the legal standard and it's not believable
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that she doesn't remember making this donation. You would think that it was just a year ago. You
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would remember the donations you made, particularly after you're a judge designee by the governor and
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you're waiting to take the bench. So it's just not credible that she doesn't remember making this
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anti-Trump January 6th donation in October of 2022, right before the midterm elections. And it
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doesn't matter. Under the legal standard, she is objectively biased. It doesn't matter whether she
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thinks subjectively she could be fair, objectively she's biased. And she delivered for the Democrats
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despite the headlines, right? And here's how she delivered. She had this trial and during this trial
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she let in this January 6th report, which is clearly inadmissible hearsay evidence. And her rationale
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for doing this is, oh, well, this was a bipartisan commission. And I know that there was some trouble
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with the Republicans and they boycotted this thing, but you, you know, and Speaker Pelosi
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appointed Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger to this commission, but they're good Republicans. So it,
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you know, it's, it's, it's reliable evidence, which is just complete nonsense to every war room
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listener. They laugh if you think that Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger are reliable Republicans,
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right? We know they're not right there. They're Trump deranged and Trump fried their brain and
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they're Democrats now effectively. But so the Sarah Wallace let this evidence in at this trial,
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and then she used this evidence at trial to say that there was an insurrection,
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right? Which is just nonsense as, as, as you saw from these videos that Speaker Mike Johnson
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released, how the hell was that an insurrection? How many insurrectionists go into a nation's capital
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unarmed, follow police direction, walk through velvet ropes, get to the Senate floor of the nation's
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capital, take selfies, don't burn down the damn place, don't break every statue and they walk out,
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right? January 6th was a lawful protest permitted by the national park service that got out of
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control and turned into a riot. You know, we may find that it got out of control because federal
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agents provoke people like you were talking about, Steve. And this, this video is so important because
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it may prove that, but regardless, this is not an insurrection under any definition of insurrection.
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It's just laughable to say that January 6th was an insurrection. It was a riot, right? And so,
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but this, Sarah Wallace used this one-sided January 6th report. They brought in these performance
00:24:36.020
artists, Capitol police officers and others, and this goofball expert from Las Vegas who says when
00:24:43.620
Democrats say fight, they mean it in the political sense. But when Republicans like Trump say fight,
00:24:49.460
they mean go, go commit violence. It was just a head scratcher watching this thing. It was laughable,
00:24:54.180
right? And I sat through this trial. And so then Judge Wallace said, okay, there's an insurrection
00:24:59.100
and we're going to just ignore Supreme Court precedent for 50 years or 60 years, the Brandenburg
00:25:06.200
versus Ohio case, where it talks about the requirement for the incitement of violence.
00:25:11.600
We're just going to ignore that. And we're going to say that there's a different legal standard under
00:25:15.300
the 14th amendment that she just made up. And so Trump caused this insurrection, whether it's,
00:25:21.700
whether it's incited or whatever, he caused this insurrection somehow.
00:25:27.520
Okay. Hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, hang on, slow down one second.
00:25:31.540
In this trial, and correct me if I'm wrong, she had experts come on, on when they make in the
00:25:38.420
the prosecution's case or one prosecutor, but the, the against Trump case. And they had people
00:25:44.320
come in and talk about insurrection. The only evidence thereof she ever submitted was the complete,
00:25:51.280
uh, was the, I shouldn't say complete cause it's not a complete, the existing report of the JSEC
00:25:56.900
committee. She, they put in as evidence, correct? I just want to make sure that's the evidence they
00:26:05.100
They brought in that report. They also brought in, uh, they also brought in police officers with
00:26:11.240
firsthand witness. So it's not just the report, but it was heavily based upon that hearsay report,
00:26:17.700
right? That biased hearsay report. And we see from the tapes that speaker Mike Johnson just released
00:26:24.060
that that report was bogus. It was biased because it only showed selective clips of January 6th,
00:26:31.880
the worst clips, and it didn't show all the clips and it didn't show any clips in context, right?
00:26:37.000
Because it's very clear that January 6th was a lawful protest that got out of control and turned
00:26:42.460
into a right. And we've said, as we've said all along, there are three categories of people who
00:26:46.880
were there that day. There were people who were there, uh, who showed up and they were peaceful and
00:26:51.620
they didn't trespass and they didn't commit any violence. They had an absolute right to be there,
00:26:56.160
right? The people who trespassed, if you could even say that many of them trespassed when the doors
00:27:00.880
are open for them, but the people who trespassed should be charged with trespass. And the people
00:27:05.000
who were violent should be charged with violence, right? And it may be different whether it's
00:27:09.020
provoked or not provoked by violence, but there are many categories of people there that day,
00:27:13.460
right? And what the Democrats have done is just lump them all together.
00:27:19.680
Yes, exactly. And we're going to take that report apart brick by brick in the following couple of
00:27:26.640
weeks because so important as it was put here as, as the basis for the claim that he's an
00:27:33.100
insurrectionist. We're going to take a short commercial break. Here's one thing I want to
00:27:36.840
put a pin in. I'm going to come back and ask you and Clark, she in this ruling has gone down a slippery
00:27:42.860
slope. Are you to tell me by putting in a congressional report that can be predicate, that can be a
00:27:49.680
predicate for action to take someone off a ballot? Can we therefore take the report on, um, that could
00:27:57.020
come out very quickly on Hunter Biden and, uh, and Joe Biden taking, uh, taking cash even before the
00:28:02.820
impeachment inquiry goes and not use that to take Joe Biden off the, uh, off ballots and stakes. Can we
00:28:09.900
not start moving forward on, on taking Biden off? If this is her standard, if the standard is a
00:28:16.720
congressional report that it was a committee that was not set up appropriately, there is no question
00:28:21.840
about it. There's no ranking member. There was no minority council. There was no ability to see the
00:28:27.140
evidence and cross-examine like Cassie Hutchinson. The judge has opened up Pandora's box. It's time for
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MAGA maybe to jump in and use Pandora's box. Short break. Clark, Cash Patel, Mike Davis next in the
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We have a lot of stuff we have to juggle. We have Peter McIlvain. He's over in Romania. This annual
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COVID conference is amazing. We're going to be streaming parts of it later today. McIlvain is
00:30:10.080
also doing interviews. We're going to try to get him here live in the second hour, but there's a ton
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going on. It's just amazing information coming out of COVID that we know everybody, the whole,
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the vaccine, the mandates, all of it, the origination of the, of the bioweapon, all of it. So we're going
00:30:24.360
to make sure we've got him over as our special correspondence, Hearts of Oak. We'll get to all that.
00:30:28.940
Um, also want to make sure that the rhetoric is one of the reasons I play this, uh, economist,
00:30:34.260
uh, these clips, and I'll play more on Monday. The, um, rhetoric against you against this audience
00:30:41.660
is, uh, is now reached beyond a level of danger. Just, just hear them in their own words.
00:30:48.860
You're the most dangerous element of, you know, your, your domestic extremist, um, violent
00:30:54.800
extremists. A million of you have millions of you have guns that Trump's working you folks up
00:30:59.540
every day. They hate the fact that you have power. They hate the fact that you're exerting
00:31:05.300
your power. They hate the fact that they see the rising tide of populist nationalism in this
00:31:10.560
country. They hate the fact that they're now people with years of experience. Uh, you saw the
00:31:16.440
MSNBC 22 minute hit piece on Mike Davis where they say, Hey, look, this guy is so qualified.
00:31:21.820
Bang, bang, bang, bang, bang. They go through the qualifications. This is what you're seeing
00:31:25.560
about the attacks on the Jeff Clarks of the world and the Russ votes. People have had senior
00:31:29.600
jobs in administration before we'll come back in. They're in panic. Uh, and you must, uh,
00:31:35.100
we must take that into our calculations as we go forward. Uh, their fear and panic means
00:31:41.240
they're going to make more and more mistakes. And we're going to take advantage of every one
00:31:44.300
of those mistakes because our objective here is to free the American people of the administrative
00:31:50.200
state in its rogue national security and law enforcement element, the deep state. Uh, that
00:31:55.940
is our task and purpose. And in doing that, uh, make sure that we restore the peace and prosperity
00:32:01.180
of the Trump administration, the years of 2017, uh, to 2019 before the CCP hit us with a bioweapon.
00:32:08.440
And of course, uh, the forces of darkness, uh, presented the summer of love in 2020. You all remember
00:32:15.580
that, right? Uh, so the way we're going to do this is, uh, is to use the actual, uh, rules against
00:32:22.880
them. One of the reasons we must have the reinstatement of the J six committee immediately
00:32:28.500
is to use that as a platform to adjudicate what actually happened on the 2020 election,
00:32:33.940
the reality, the facts, and what happened on, uh, on January 6th. I think there's no doubt
00:32:41.060
you'll see that this is a fed surrection. I think that's why they're so panicked. Why have
00:32:44.920
they held this footage? It's the footage. It's just like the numbers in 2020. If it was on their
00:32:48.920
side, you, you would have your nose rubbed in it every day. You would have had your nose rubbed
00:32:53.580
in this footage every day. That's why they're so panicked. It's so dangerous. You can see the camera
00:32:58.000
angles. It's all more lies, spin and misrepresentation. Uh, in that mode, uh, Eric Prince, who is one of
00:33:05.500
the, you know, one of the foundational elements of our movement. Uh, Eric Prince has taken three
00:33:11.400
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Also, nobody can get your data, sell your data, any, anything like that. And no unwanted impressions.
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unplugged.com today and check it out. Mike Davis, where, where did the ruling yesterday leave us?
00:33:48.300
And what is, what is the path forward? So yeah, this Denver district court judge, Sarah Wallace,
00:33:54.020
just ignored the hearsay rules. She found that there was an insurrection, uh, which is laughable after
00:34:00.260
you watch these videos released by speaker Mike Johnson. And she held that Trump caused that
00:34:06.260
insurrection, which is laughable. If you look at Supreme court precedent precedent, like the
00:34:10.340
Brandenburg case. So now where we go, she, she got right to the edge. She pushed the ball as far as
00:34:15.820
she could, but I think she was starting to feel the heat and she blinked. And so there's a bit of a
00:34:20.500
tactical retreat. She's, she held, she ruled that, yeah, there was an insurrection. Trump caused it,
00:34:26.580
but under the 14th amendment, under section three of the 14th amendment, the disqualification clause,
00:34:31.820
she isn't sure whether the president is an officer under the 14th amendment. And so therefore she's
00:34:38.600
going to err on the side of caution. What this does is it allows these Democrat plaintiffs to take
00:34:43.920
this right to the Colorado Supreme court on that legal issue alone to, uh, to appeal directly to the
00:34:49.440
Supreme court under a, under the special election challenge out here. The Supreme court is stacked
00:34:54.400
by leftists because we stopped winning elections in Colorado when they legalized weed and went to all
00:34:59.900
mail ballots and all the New York and California dirt balls moved here. So the Supreme court's
00:35:04.600
probably going to reverse and hold that legally the president is, is included as an officer under
00:35:11.300
the 14th amendment. And therefore president Trump is disqualified. And then that puts the Supreme court
00:35:16.480
of the United States in a bad place from their perspective, because they're actually going to
00:35:20.580
have to put on their big boy pants, take a Trump case and do their jobs.
00:35:26.500
Mike Hanger for one second, I'm bringing Jeff Clark, Jeff, you came on the show.
00:35:29.340
We had Mike and Dershowitz on the first day of this broke with the, uh, with the Leonard
00:35:34.040
Leo's federal society getting back in. You came in, I think on the next day and you laid out exactly
00:35:38.400
why she wouldn't be able to take him off the ballot, uh, walk through that. And do you think
00:35:43.620
that'll be, uh, you think that this will hold, will hold over time because it looks like they're
00:35:48.240
going to try to worm their way around it. Walk us through why you said at the beginning,
00:35:51.580
they would lose that she would have to blink at this level.
00:35:54.140
Sure. Let me, let me just make one point, a finer point on the January 6th stuff. So the way that she
00:36:02.100
let in the January 6th report, which I think is truly ludicrous is she said, I'll admit it
00:36:07.280
conditionally subject to cross-examination of Tim Heafy, who was the top, uh, lawyer,
00:36:13.920
the investigative lawyer for the January 6th committee for, uh, Nancy Pelosi really,
00:36:18.480
and Benny Thompson and, uh, Troy Nell is the Republican representative, right? I mean,
00:36:24.100
this is ridiculous. The idea that there's someone who is not a witness, right? In, in Heafy,
00:36:29.400
he's just a lawyer and he somehow can sanitize all of the hearsay evidence, uh, because you can ask
00:36:36.300
him questions about what the witnesses said. That's like truly, uh, ridiculous. And, you know,
00:36:41.800
the idea that you could admit the January 6th report, I think, uh, you know, is something that
00:36:45.980
would be laughed out of 90% of courts in America. On your question about, uh, you know, what is the
00:36:52.120
substance of her ruling here? So that, you know, you've gone through the two bad elements of her
00:36:57.200
decision, her finding that Trump engaged in an insurrection, uh, that he incited, uh, to it with,
00:37:03.380
uh, with violence, right? And that that was not protected by the first amendment because she found
00:37:08.340
it met the Brandenburg test for, uh, imminence intention and tendency, uh, which I think that's a very
00:37:15.480
vulnerable ruling in and of itself, but it's 102 page ruling, Steve. She doesn't get to the bottom
00:37:21.420
line, which she could have reached because it's really a threshold question until page 100 to 101.
00:37:27.820
And on that page, she says, while the court agrees that there are persuasive, uh, arguments on both
00:37:34.120
sides, the court holds that the absence of the president from the list of positions to which, uh,
00:37:39.660
the amendment applies. And that's the argument I laid out in my, uh, paper on the citizens for
00:37:44.200
Renewing America site, uh, combines with the fact that section three, uh, specifies that the
00:37:50.220
disqualifying oath is one to support the constitution, whereas the presidential oath is to
00:37:55.360
preserve, protect, and defend the constitution. It appears that the court, for whatever reason,
00:38:00.500
I'm sorry, that the, uh, to the court, that for whatever reason, the drafters of section three
00:38:05.400
did not intend to include a person who had only taken the presidential oath. So I think that is a very
00:38:12.260
solid argument, but it's an argument I've already seen Judge Ludig attacking as, uh, uh, you know,
00:38:19.060
technical. And actually during the same time you're running your show, I think Ali Velshi was having,
00:38:24.260
uh, tribe and, uh, Ludig on to, you know, attack the decision. So given the nature of the Colorado
00:38:31.320
Supreme court, I would not be surprised if they reversed, but you know, then it's going to go to
00:38:36.640
the U S Supreme court as we've all been predicting for a long time. But, but let's go back to the
00:38:44.060
threshold question. His point, I was going to make it, but he brought it in so brilliantly in 102 page
00:38:50.660
opinion. It's the last page. It's essentially before you get to the, you know, it's on page 100.
00:38:57.640
She actually gets to the punchline. She knew this at the beginning was not this entire trial just to
00:39:05.700
get the J six report in as some sort of thing to designate Trump as an insurrectionist. Was that
00:39:11.460
her whole purpose the entire time? As you can tell by the 99 pages she wrote on this because you,
00:39:17.040
she knew this, there's nothing in this trial, not one piece that came up that is relevant to
00:39:23.280
actually the threshold question of does the oath you know, does the oath of the president
00:39:28.880
fall under this type of provision? Correct. Am I wrong in that? I'm not a lawyer, but it just
00:39:34.260
seemed to me that this was kind of a, she kind of, she did this on for a purpose.
00:39:39.940
It's a pure question of law. You don't need a trial to answer this question, right? You just need
00:39:44.060
to write briefs on both sides and then have the judge construe the provisions. So, you know,
00:39:48.360
what lawyers have this phrase, Latin, uh, obiter dicta, right? This is superfluous material things
00:39:54.820
you don't need to say things you don't say as a matter of judicial restraint. This entire opinion
00:40:00.360
is a dicta fest because it's a hundred pages of, you know, besmirching Trump and saying he loses this
00:40:06.960
argument. He loses that argument based on facts, but based on facts that come in from the January 6th
00:40:11.860
report, which is not, uh, evidence. It's just a report. It's an opinion of a bias set up by
00:40:18.040
Nancy Pelosi that excluded, uh, the, uh, Republicans who were selected by the Republican
00:40:23.460
conference. Um, and you know, that's just not the way you do analysis. Chief Justice Roberts has a
00:40:29.280
great quip where he said that if it's not necessary to decide, uh, more to a case, then in my view,
00:40:35.900
it is necessary not to decide more to a case. In other words, you only decide what you need to
00:40:41.520
decide and that's it. You could have just like written a five page opinion with this point up front.
00:40:46.240
And then it's, you know, then you don't need to reach anything. And you say, I don't need to reach
00:40:50.700
any of the other questions because, uh, you know, this answer is dispositive and it, you know, disposes
00:40:56.700
of this case. That's the way to judge what judicial restraint acts. So this judge was not doing that.
00:41:01.940
And we know that because she's biased, right? She's a Democrat. She, you know, Democratic, uh,
00:41:07.380
I'm sorry, donated to the Democrat organization that Mike Davis has really been dogging.
00:41:11.720
And so, you know, she's just trying to throw as much dirt as possible on Trump before she backs
00:41:17.320
away from the precipice. She did have a nice footnote. I will say Steve, where she says,
00:41:22.120
look, there are arguments on both sides, but if they're unclear, we have to quote air on the side
00:41:27.140
of democratic norms. In other words, let the people of the United States vote for who they want to have
00:41:32.920
as their president. And I think that's really the overarching point that many of us have been urging
00:41:38.000
for some time. Mike, does this now going to the color of Supreme court, is this really exposed as
00:41:45.160
kind of a psyop media war to basically put in the people's mind and local media as they cover these
00:41:51.400
different tribes, because they're going to go to every state again on this, uh, that Trump's an
00:41:55.440
insurrectionist and should be off the ballot in that the purpose of what the left is doing here.
00:42:00.380
Yeah. I mean, that's a, that's the political part of it, but I actually think the Democrats are
00:42:04.180
doing everything they can to disqualify president Trump from the ballot. And I think that this Denver
00:42:08.460
district court judge had every intention of doing this, but she felt the political pressure. And I
00:42:13.280
think she blinked at the last minute. So she got this case, got this opinion as far as she could,
00:42:19.340
she got as close to the edge of the cliff as she could. And then she backed off and then she's going
00:42:25.180
to wait for the Colorado Supreme court to reverse her on that narrow legal question of whether the 14th
00:42:30.940
amendment section three of the 14th amendment, the disqualification clause applies to president,
00:42:36.540
a president as an officer, or if it doesn't, and if it applies like the Colorado Supreme court will
00:42:41.180
likely hold that they disqualify Trump. And then they use that in other States right now,
00:42:46.140
they're in tactical retreat in key States like Minnesota, like Colorado, like New Hampshire,
00:42:52.440
uh, because they feel the political heat, right? They're, they're, they're not deciding this on,
00:42:57.300
on different grounds because it's a primary versus a general election on standing, whether
00:43:02.760
the president's an officer or not, they're going to come back at this. They're going to come back
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at this again, especially when they see that president Trump is beating Biden, like a drum
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on November 5th, 2024. They impeached him twice for nonsense. They indicted him four times for non-crimes.
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Hail Mary. They're in tactical retreat. They're going to come back.
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Uh, Cash Patel, you were the key witness. Your testimony was riveting. Uh, the judge, uh, did not agree
00:46:31.080
with that, but I want to, I want to go back. Why is your testimony? And this is why the, the, the J6
00:46:37.440
got to be reconstituted. You know, your testimony that laid out the facts of what president Trump
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tried to do to thwart an insurrection is absolutely vital is the key part. I think of the trial, the
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judge went out of her way to say, uh, she believed the J6 commission, which I don't even think released
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your, or we can't find it, released your testimony versus your life testimony. Give us your assessment.
00:47:00.880
Yeah. Steve, the January 6th truth has finally entered the American bloodstream writ large,
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coupled with Mike Johnson's releasing of the January 6th tapes. This judge's written order
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will show their lies that they have been stacking up in the media for years against the January 6th,
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not only defendants, but also what president Trump did in the days leading up to January 6th.
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And I need the war room posse to go out there and put out my transcript, which we just sent you the
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link to Steve Bannon from the January 6th committee. The first guy subpoenaed, the last transcript
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released, and this judge had a problem finding the evidence that I gave under oath. Selective inclusion
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of evidence is unconstitutional. This judge, a government gangster wearing a black robe,
00:47:49.520
I call her the female version of Adam Schiff. Mrs. Schiff goes to Washington, just released
00:47:55.760
her memo so that she could be lauded by the government grunge dunes and the radical left-wing
00:48:01.560
media. She set up the disinformation campaign on the narrative that Donald Trump committed a
00:48:06.880
quote unquote insurrection, even though special counsel Jack Smith has refused to charge Donald Trump
00:48:14.520
with the crime of insurrection. This judge went further than Jack Smith was even to go about with
00:48:21.300
her lies. And look, it's not about me. It's about getting the truth out on January 6th. And why does
00:48:27.160
she go out of her way to talk about my testimony? By the way, Steve, we also sent you the video
00:48:31.720
compilation of my testimony from the Colorado courtroom to blast that out to the posse. And for those not
00:48:38.140
listening and the war room posse, this is your call to America, call to action. It's our job to get the
00:48:43.720
January 6th truth out there. And yes, do you want to know the one place to get it out there? I am
00:48:48.740
holding up my copy of Government Gangsters. Do you know what chapter 18 is in charge entitled?
00:48:54.020
The insurrection that never was. Do you want the whole truth about January 6th in one place?
00:48:59.720
It's right here. Do you know what's in the back of this book? The Capitol Police timeline,
00:49:03.740
the DOD timeline, Mayor Bowser's letter where she declined the National Guard authorization from
00:49:10.400
President Trump. Why do you think Joe Biden didn't want this book out for 10 months? Why do you think
00:49:15.800
this judge selectively excluded those timelines given by the DOD, the DOJ, the Capitol Police,
00:49:23.860
Bowser and Pelosi themselves, their own written words, undo this judge's entire order? They don't want the
00:49:30.300
truth on January 6th. And I gave it to you guys in one place. Blast out GovernmentGangsters.com
00:49:35.420
right now. Everybody at the Thanksgiving table should be spilling gravy on government gangsters
00:49:40.600
and then slopping it up because that's where the truth lies, Steve. And this is what these people
00:49:45.500
want. I want to, I want to, yeah, I want to have it back on. We're going to push out your testimony,
00:49:50.880
J6, and we're going to push out all the video, video, everything else. And Cash, I need you back
00:49:55.580
on here on Monday. I know you're busy, but I got to work this out because I want to, I want to set it up,
00:49:59.400
I want to tee it up for the Thanksgiving dinner when people are in each, in, in, in, in your in-laws
00:50:04.140
face about what the facts are here. I just want to, there's one truth. Can I just say one truth
00:50:09.260
about Donald Trump's actions? Yeah, sure, sure. Donald Trump authorized 10 to 20,000 National Guard
00:50:15.560
days before January 6th. If we're to believe this judge's written word, how did I get 10,000
00:50:22.540
national troops there if he only had authority over 2,000 on January 6th, when Pelosi and Bowser finally
00:50:28.620
came in with the request? Cash, give us all your touch points. So over the weekend, we're going to
00:50:35.800
go to work on this big time because of the, the, the confluence convergence of the J6 tapes and what
00:50:41.580
Johnson's doing, what this trial showed, your testimony, we're now going to go on offense. So
00:50:46.580
where do people go? It's one place for me at Cash on Truth Social, at KS on Truth Social. I'm going to
00:50:52.260
put up the testimony. I'm going to put up the video. I'm going to put up the transcript, the link to the
00:50:56.220
book, and then just help out. It's the holiday season. So the Cash Foundation just gave away
00:51:01.300
$10,000 in holiday meals, and we're going to do more. Go to thecashfoundation.com. Yeah,
00:51:06.640
wear the Fight with Cash merch. Show your colors. Tell these government gangsters that the truth
00:51:12.520
matters more than anything else. And every time a government gangster mentions my name in their
00:51:17.880
lies, it is a gold medal of freedom. I am so happy and proud to have enlisted in the Donald Trump
00:51:24.140
MAGA Army of Truth, and we are just getting warmed up. Yeah. No, no, no. We're going on
00:51:29.960
offense now. We've turned the guns around, and now it's time to go on offense. Cash,
00:51:33.780
honored to have you on here. Look forward to having you back, working over the weekend,
00:51:36.660
having you back on Monday. Jeff Clark, where do people go? We got to bounce. We're going to have
00:51:41.160
you back to next week because you called this from the beginning. And there's a lot of implications
00:51:45.420
here about actually using this on Biden, a report on Biden to get Biden off the, off the,
00:51:50.980
off the ballot. But we'll fight that fight on Monday. Where do people go in the interim to
00:51:54.900
get more information about you and your great work? Sure. So I'm at Jeff Clark U.S. on Getter
00:52:01.760
and Twitter and at Real Jeff Clark on Truth Social. And the paper about this that anticipated the
00:52:07.820
judge's ruling here is on our citizen site, citizensrenewingamerica, all one word, dot com,
00:52:14.380
Steve. I think we're going to run a poll next week. Mike Davis was saying it was kind of
00:52:19.700
cut off at the end about is, is Mike Davis going to be White House counsel and Jeff Clark
00:52:23.780
AG or is Jeff Clark going to be White House counsel and, and, and Mike Davis AG. We'll run
00:52:30.100
that poll next week before Thanksgiving. The good thing to talk about over the Thanksgiving
00:52:33.380
table. Clark, never change, brother. You're the best, a real warrior. Okay, short commercial
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