Bannon's War Room - March 11, 2025


Episode 4328： Courts Shine Light On DOGE; Will America See A Government Shutdown


Episode Stats

Length

56 minutes

Words per Minute

165.80782

Word Count

9,374

Sentence Count

785


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 The way it's important in entitlement spending, you know, which is all of the, which is most of the federal spending, is entitlements.
00:00:06.620 So that's like the big one to eliminate, because that's the sort of half trillion, maybe six or seven hundred billion a year.
00:00:16.220 That is also a mechanism by which the Democrats attract and retain illegal immigrants by essentially paying them to come here and then turning them into voters.
00:00:28.260 Yes.
00:00:28.600 So this is why the Democrats are so upset about the situation, because they're losing, you know, if we turn off this gigantic money magnet for illegal immigrants, then they will leave and they'll lose voters.
00:00:46.960 Why are the 20 million people who are definitely dead marked as alive in the Social Security database?
00:00:53.000 Why were hundreds of hundreds of millions of dollars of small business administration loans were given out to people aged 11 and under, according to the Social Security?
00:01:06.860 I mean, like these must be some very enterprising eight year olds, you know.
00:01:10.740 And some pretty strong 150 year olds.
00:01:12.840 Yes, exactly.
00:01:14.900 As the president said, you know, we have an enormous number of people marked as alive who are 160.
00:01:22.620 He didn't know the country was that healthy.
00:01:24.160 All eyes are on Republican House Speaker Mike Johnson as he unveiled the stopgap measure.
00:01:29.300 Because with Democrats planning to vote against the bill, Speaker Johnson has zero margin for error.
00:01:34.600 They could only lose one Republican vote and still get this through, given the margins.
00:01:40.360 And already right there, you see the one Republican.
00:01:43.180 Tom Massey has already announced that he is voting no.
00:01:46.600 You know, I have to tell you, when I watched Elon Musk and I watched Trump with this this whole plan of his to start a trade war.
00:01:56.100 I go back to Smoot Hawley and in 1930, they we lost like seven billion dollars in trade and exports because of what the other countries did back to us.
00:02:08.380 And they're all doing it right now.
00:02:09.940 This is all in the playbook.
00:02:11.340 You start a trade war.
00:02:12.680 You got a trade war.
00:02:13.820 The other countries cut off all their imports and we get stuck with our agriculture products overloaded in this country.
00:02:20.280 We can't sell them to anybody.
00:02:21.960 It's unbelievable.
00:02:22.940 I look at Trump and I keep thinking, Trump, the Trump casino in Atlantic City.
00:02:27.540 That used to be the big casino you drove right into Atlantic City.
00:02:30.860 And there was that big casino.
00:02:32.280 It's gone.
00:02:33.400 The Trump University.
00:02:34.620 It's gone.
00:02:35.660 Trump shuttle.
00:02:36.800 We haven't taken that lately, have we?
00:02:38.360 That's gone.
00:02:39.400 This idea that things will turn out is right out of Chauncey Gardner in being there.
00:02:46.020 He's going to he's telling the president, Jack, don't worry.
00:02:48.360 We're going to we're going to plant in the spring and we're going to sow in the fall and everything's going to be great.
00:02:54.620 It isn't going to be great.
00:02:55.600 This is a trend line.
00:02:57.180 This is an economic trend line in the market.
00:03:00.000 And it's going to be worse in the next couple of days and worse after that, because he has started a trade war that we're going to lose.
00:03:06.480 And it's unbelievable that people believe in it.
00:03:08.500 And Kudlow, when he sat there and made those weird sounds to every time Musk said, oh, that's good.
00:03:16.220 Why did they just say you're lying?
00:03:18.560 You're lying because people come in this country illegally.
00:03:21.060 Well, they do come in illegally and they don't get any Social Security benefits.
00:03:24.720 They pay in all the time because they have to use some phony name, but they don't get any benefits from it.
00:03:29.780 And by the way, they don't vote.
00:03:30.960 Got it.
00:03:31.960 Somebody got in trouble for once lying.
00:03:33.520 You lie, you know, about the president, about Obama speaking.
00:03:36.700 They don't vote.
00:03:37.400 You got it, buddy.
00:03:38.200 They don't vote.
00:03:39.040 Maybe you're voting.
00:03:40.620 Maybe you're one of the five million dollar guys that bought a ticket here.
00:03:43.940 But they don't vote.
00:03:45.100 The poor people coming here looking for jobs.
00:03:47.760 They don't vote, buddy.
00:03:48.880 And why didn't Kudlow say that?
00:03:50.880 Just like the Democrats on Tuesday night.
00:03:52.860 Why didn't the Democrats rise up and say we are not paying Social Security to 160 year olds because there aren't any 160 year olds.
00:04:01.240 They don't exist.
00:04:02.520 Unfortunately, we don't exist at 160.
00:04:05.480 It's all wrong.
00:04:06.540 The lies and the history, the ignorance of this crowd is unbelievable.
00:04:11.960 And there are people out there, the MAGA people don't know any better.
00:04:15.520 They go, hmm, that's good.
00:04:17.500 The strange reaction to everything is fine is these grunts they have.
00:04:22.420 And the Democrats are absolutely anemic.
00:04:24.980 I'm sorry.
00:04:25.700 Anemic.
00:04:26.080 Do you think there are enough Republican votes to get this passed without Democrats?
00:04:33.820 I think there are.
00:04:34.980 You know, there are some very astute Republican members of Congress who have legitimate questions and concerns because they've been here some time and they have seen the CR after CR after CR come about and leadership say, hey, this is going to happen again.
00:04:49.540 Mike Johnson is doing the best he can to turn this aircraft carrier around and get us back to regular order.
00:04:56.580 It's not a ski boat.
00:04:57.460 It's not going to turn on a dime.
00:04:59.340 And so this is the first step to doing that.
00:05:01.400 We've got to get another six months under our belt, get the reconciliation process done, get the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act renewed.
00:05:08.860 So we won't have the largest tax increase in U.S. history.
00:05:14.740 This is the primal scream of a dying regime.
00:05:19.620 Pray for our enemies because we're going medieval on these people.
00:05:24.840 I got a free shot.
00:05:26.100 All these networks lying about the people.
00:05:29.100 The people have had a belly full of it.
00:05:31.080 I know you don't like hearing that.
00:05:32.500 I know you try to do everything in the world to stop that, but you're not going to stop it.
00:05:35.120 It's going to happen.
00:05:36.180 And where do people like that go to share the big line?
00:05:39.800 MAGA Media.
00:05:41.120 I wish in my soul, I wish that any of these people had a conscience.
00:05:46.560 Ask yourself, what is my task and what is my purpose?
00:05:50.320 If that answer is to save my country, this country will be saved.
00:05:56.520 War Room.
00:05:57.520 Here's your host, Stephen K. Band.
00:05:59.940 It's Tuesday, 11 March, year of our Lord, 2025.
00:06:08.600 Okay, another historic day coming.
00:06:10.180 A massive vote in the House.
00:06:11.800 Then it goes over to the Senate.
00:06:13.940 All kind of questions about the economy.
00:06:15.840 President Trump's economic plan that he is refusing to back off.
00:06:20.180 Just moments ago on True Social.
00:06:22.360 I think he put the Canadians on notice.
00:06:24.280 He's going to increase, I think, by 25%, up to 50% on tariffs on steel and aluminum coming in from Canada.
00:06:32.800 We're going to break all this down.
00:06:34.100 The first thing I want to go to, I've got Dave Bratz, my co-host, this morning.
00:06:38.700 We are absolutely packed wall-to-wall for the next two hours.
00:06:42.720 I want to go to Mike Davis overnight, which the media hasn't totally picked up yet.
00:06:51.080 This is another one of the – and folks, remember the lines of attack on President Trump's program.
00:06:56.520 One is the media, but the one they've been most effective with because they're not really getting it done legislatively,
00:07:02.060 although I believe that the Democrats are not going to sign on to the House CR.
00:07:07.880 I think we're going to have a big fight there.
00:07:09.640 We'll get to the politics in a second.
00:07:11.020 Where they've been most effective is in the courts, particularly with these frontline radical judges,
00:07:17.100 and then where some of the appellate courts have not backed President Trump.
00:07:20.460 Because, Mike Davis, I think we've got some bizarre rulings, like the president can't cut.
00:07:25.260 The $2 billion is still out there in foreign relations or foreign aid that he's forced to do.
00:07:31.400 But last night, a federal judge went after Doge and essentially said,
00:07:37.140 hey, I need to see – we need to see everything.
00:07:40.300 You're a black box.
00:07:41.520 You have too much power.
00:07:43.120 I don't understand it, this judge said, essentially.
00:07:46.700 And you need to open up everything.
00:07:49.860 Can you explain what happened last night?
00:07:51.680 Because the Doge effort is actually central to this CR.
00:07:54.480 This is one of the things that the people that are hesitant about signing on – I do believe everybody's going to sign on.
00:08:00.740 They're hesitant about signing on about exactly where the Doge cuts are and why they're not included now.
00:08:05.720 So what was the argument for this – in front of this judge and what was his decision, sir?
00:08:10.300 Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington, which is CRU or a left-wing radical group that pretends like it's a government watchdog,
00:08:21.700 ran to a D.C. Obama activist judge, Chris Cooper, and they got an injunction telling the Department of Government Efficiency or Doge
00:08:32.980 that they're subject to FOIA and they have to turn over these records.
00:08:36.480 This ruling is clearly wrong.
00:08:39.740 It's clearly illegal.
00:08:42.240 FOIA applies to executive branch agencies that have statutory power to administer programs.
00:08:52.360 That does not apply to Doge.
00:08:56.840 Judges are not required to turn over and make public their internal deliberations,
00:09:03.600 their communications with their law clerks and secretaries and other judges and staff.
00:09:08.620 Members of Congress are not required to turn over their internal deliberations,
00:09:13.560 their conversations with their staff and their colleagues.
00:09:16.420 The president of the United States and his staff are also not required to turn over
00:09:21.360 and make public their internal communications and their discussions with their colleagues.
00:09:27.160 That FOIA does not apply to them.
00:09:28.860 And so Doge reports, it's in the executive office of the president, Elon Musk and the Doge team reports
00:09:38.640 to the White House chief of staff, Susie Wiles, and they advise the president.
00:09:43.740 They don't have statutory administrative functions that would subject them to FOIA.
00:09:49.300 So this ruling is clearly wrong.
00:09:52.560 And even if FOIA somehow applies to Doge, that would probably violate Article 2 of the Constitution
00:10:00.080 because the founders understood that the executive branch, the president,
00:10:05.680 should be able to operate confidentially on behalf of the American people.
00:10:10.680 And when you're getting advice from your advisors, you don't want that advice publicly aired
00:10:14.660 because it chills the president of the United States' ability to get the best advice for his advisors
00:10:21.240 if they know it's going to get reported in the Washington Post.
00:10:26.300 By the way, I think I know a guy that that was one of the reasons he went to prison for four months
00:10:31.540 was this very topic.
00:10:33.340 Is this why they put Doge under the digital service and had it as an advisor to OMB
00:10:40.040 and an advisor really to the chief of staff?
00:10:42.160 Is this the reason that Doge is there so it's part of – it's actually a part of the executive
00:10:47.640 and not one of the agencies?
00:10:51.180 So, for example, there's the executive office of the president.
00:10:55.020 And as you know, Steve, you were there.
00:10:56.220 There are several components to the executive office of the president.
00:10:59.580 There's the White House office.
00:11:01.380 There's the office of the vice president.
00:11:03.140 There's the national security council.
00:11:05.540 There's office of administration.
00:11:07.580 There's office of management and budget.
00:11:09.940 There's U.S. trade representative.
00:11:11.680 There's – and now Doge.
00:11:13.680 The components of the EOP that have statutory administrative functions
00:11:19.220 that they actually have to execute, carry out statutes, their agencies are like OMB.
00:11:24.220 OMB is subject to the Freedom of Information Act or FOIA.
00:11:27.820 But other offices that don't have statutory duties to carry out government functions,
00:11:34.940 government grants, government agencies like the White House office or Doge are not subject to FOIA.
00:11:41.080 And that's very clear with the case law.
00:11:43.500 This Obama D.C. judge, Chris Cooper, clearly got this wrong.
00:11:48.000 The D.C. circuit, if they follow the law, they will reverse him.
00:11:52.700 If they don't, it will have to go to the Supreme Court.
00:11:55.000 I guess it's just going to matter what mood the Chief Justice and Amy Coney Barrett are in that day.
00:12:00.280 Is it – did he make – in the ruling, did he actually break it down, these thoughts about FOIA, or did he just miss it?
00:12:11.640 I think he missed it.
00:12:13.100 He thinks that, oh, wow, Doge has a lot of power, which it doesn't.
00:12:17.980 Doge's power is not derived from statute.
00:12:21.280 It derives from the president, right?
00:12:23.160 That's what makes it not subject to FOIA.
00:12:26.220 It's not a creature of statute.
00:12:27.520 It's derivative of the president's Article II executive powers.
00:12:31.320 And so it's a silly argument.
00:12:33.480 It's by – look, this Chris Cooper is not dumb.
00:12:36.860 He's just a partisan hack, like too many of these activist judges, particularly on the D.C. district court.
00:12:45.200 Now, has the White House overnight responded, or you still think they're working this through?
00:12:49.580 And are they going to ask for – to expedite a review at the appellate level?
00:12:55.860 That's a very good question, Steve.
00:12:57.540 I haven't seen a public statement on this, but this is a very important issue because this goes to the heart of whether the president can function,
00:13:06.400 whether he can get the best advice from his advisors like Steve Bannon, who went to the clink over this, and Peter Navarro, who went to the clink over this.
00:13:15.820 Is Elon Musk going to go to the clink over this?
00:13:18.020 Is he going to go to jail for four months to protect the office of the president, to make sure that the president gets the best advice from his advisors?
00:13:26.840 And again, you're not going to get – it's going to chill the president's ability to get good advice from his advisors if this advice is going to get publicly aired.
00:13:37.400 It's going to make these advisors not speak up, and that hurts the president.
00:13:41.900 And so that's the point.
00:13:43.800 Should we ask for Chris Cooper's law clerks to turn over their communications with Chris Cooper or their draft opinions?
00:13:50.520 I mean, this judge is out of his mind.
00:13:52.520 Okay, Mike Davis is going to stick with us.
00:13:57.600 We're going to drill down a little bit more on this.
00:13:59.420 This is very important about Doge going forward to get an injunction against him.
00:14:03.640 Also, the president has gone on offense against the legal insurrection that's up against him.
00:14:12.040 Eric Tietzel from CRA about the CR and the economics behind it and what we're doing and the vote today.
00:14:19.200 Dave Bratt here about the turmoil in the markets.
00:14:22.380 We're going to talk about – Charlie Gasparino has written a great piece in the Post.
00:14:26.600 I'm not a huge Gasparino fan, but he seems to have nailed this.
00:14:29.880 I want to break it all down.
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00:16:11.680 Okay, the economy, all this turmoil that's going on, we're going to have Dave Bratt and I are going to break it down for you.
00:16:23.500 Eric Tietzel's here from Center for Renewing America, the Russ Fote operation.
00:16:28.780 Talk about the CR today, all of it.
00:16:31.940 Mike Davis, though.
00:16:33.060 So do the Doge guys have to lay down their pencils on this?
00:16:37.120 Is this merely they're being required to turn over all information?
00:16:41.680 They are being ordered by Judge Chris Cooper to turn over information.
00:16:46.280 So it's not lay down your pencils, but if you use your pencils, we're going to publish it in the Washington Post,
00:16:52.180 which is clearly not what FOIA stands for, nor Article 2 of the Constitution.
00:16:57.520 So it looks like another D.C. activist judge, a Democrat operative, an Obama judge,
00:17:03.860 is going to get reversed by the Supreme Court so long as the Chief Justice and Justice Amy Coney Barrett
00:17:11.320 are in the right mood that day.
00:17:14.800 Yeah, I mean, this is what I'm wondering people about, because we've seen this before, is that,
00:17:19.420 and this gets to the CR, because the CR is about impoundment.
00:17:24.260 You know, the House and the Senate is talking about rescissions.
00:17:27.280 The President wants to talk about impoundment.
00:17:29.120 This is going to be one of the big hangouts for the Democrats, because they're going to want specific language,
00:17:32.800 which I think the Senate, we're going to have a huge fight and kind of a throwdown on this.
00:17:38.240 But I just don't, you know, I'm just not feeling on the court with those two,
00:17:42.080 but hopefully, you know, they'll get tougher and smarter.
00:17:45.720 President Trump's going on offense, though.
00:17:47.320 He's going on offense against these law firms that run the city.
00:17:51.380 And we've seen that with taking away their security clearances,
00:17:54.100 and I think he's really going after all the government business they get and get them off the tit.
00:17:59.760 But he's also going on offense, this article in Revolver,
00:18:03.720 and I'm glad to see Darren Beattie's over as the undersecretary over at the State Department.
00:18:08.240 Hasn't been confirmed yet, but he's kind of acting.
00:18:11.120 And Revolver's still on fire.
00:18:13.020 I don't quite understand this article.
00:18:15.240 President Trump's using injunction bonds, is it,
00:18:18.320 to go on offense against all these frivolous lawsuits against him?
00:18:21.880 Yeah, so under Rule 65C of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure,
00:18:26.880 I haven't had civil procedure class in 20 years.
00:18:30.880 But how this works is if you seek an injunction,
00:18:34.360 if you seek a temporary restraining order,
00:18:37.740 which is, you know, a quick injunction, essentially,
00:18:41.020 or a preliminary injunction or a permanent injunction,
00:18:44.760 well, actually, it's just TRO and PIs.
00:18:47.040 If you seek a preliminary injunction or a temporary restraining order
00:18:50.560 under Rule 65C of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure,
00:18:54.540 you need to post a bond.
00:18:56.440 So if you lose, the party is not out the money.
00:19:00.020 So, for example, if you're trying to force the State Department and USAID
00:19:05.980 to piss away $2 billion in taxpayer funds to grantees
00:19:13.120 who the president doesn't want this money to go to,
00:19:16.740 he wants to do a pause to make sure that we're not funding Hamas terrorism or fraud,
00:19:22.700 if the United States government, if the Trump administration eventually wins that issue on appeal,
00:19:28.720 which it will, then the government needs to be able to recoup
00:19:33.460 those $2 billion in grants that went out to support terrorism and to support fraud,
00:19:39.540 thanks to D.C. Biden Judge Ali,
00:19:44.260 the new judge who just got put on there, Canadian citizen judge.
00:19:47.760 Isn't that great?
00:19:48.280 We have a Canadian citizen, the first Muslim, the first Arab on the D.C. federal bench
00:19:53.100 is a Canadian citizen and ordering the State Department
00:19:57.400 and the U.S. Agency for International Development or USAID
00:20:00.960 to send $2 billion in grants over the president of the United States objection.
00:20:07.520 He wants to make sure there's not fraud or terrorism funding.
00:20:10.220 And Judge Ali thinks he's the commander-in-chief,
00:20:12.540 and Justice Amy Coney Barrett and the Chief Justice thought that was okay.
00:20:17.260 So what the Trump administration is ordering is for his lawyers to demand
00:20:22.960 that these courts follow the law,
00:20:25.280 which requires that you post these appellate bonds if you're suing the government.
00:20:30.820 And so it makes it less likely you're going to sue the government
00:20:34.860 if you have to put up, for example, a $200 million appellate bond
00:20:40.060 to make sure that $2 billion is not pissed away by these plaintiffs and Judge Ali.
00:20:47.420 Brilliant.
00:20:48.200 Mike Davis, where do people go to articles?
00:20:50.600 Before you go, the judicial insurrection against President Trump,
00:20:54.720 are they winning right now or are we winning or is it a tie?
00:20:59.220 No, it's the tides turning because you have these activist judges
00:21:04.720 who came out and tried to stop President Trump.
00:21:08.380 And then these judges pretend like they're not politicians in robes.
00:21:12.240 They are.
00:21:12.760 You can see that through their actions.
00:21:14.900 And so when they take off their judicial robes
00:21:18.080 and they climb into the political arena and they throw political punches,
00:21:23.220 I make damn sure the Article III project throws very hard political counterpunches
00:21:28.220 like we've done with Canadian, Muslim, Arab, Judge Ali in D.C.
00:21:33.720 And so he's backed down a bit.
00:21:35.060 It's a tactical retreat.
00:21:36.440 But the Article III project is going to be on this every second of every day.
00:21:40.400 Trump's not stealing judicial power or legislative powers.
00:21:44.600 He's exercising executive power.
00:21:46.400 We're going to make damn sure that happens.
00:21:47.920 Where do people go to get up to speed on this?
00:21:51.560 Folks, in War Room Posse, we've got to be on watch on all of the legal insurrection.
00:21:56.900 It's very important that you make Article III part of your daily diet.
00:22:00.920 Where do they go, Mike?
00:22:02.900 Article3project.org.
00:22:03.780 Article3project.org.
00:22:05.260 You can donate.
00:22:06.420 You can follow us on social media.
00:22:07.900 Take action.
00:22:08.580 That's the most important thing.
00:22:09.760 And we want to take $2 billion out of the federal judiciary's budget, their $10 billion budget,
00:22:15.080 and FY 2025 to cover Judge Ali sending $2 billion to terrorism and fraud.
00:22:23.440 I love this.
00:22:24.980 I don't like it.
00:22:25.980 I love that.
00:22:27.360 Eye for an eye.
00:22:29.040 Old Testament.
00:22:29.980 Mike Davis going Old Testament.
00:22:31.120 Thank you, brother.
00:22:31.720 Appreciate you.
00:22:32.760 Thank you.
00:22:34.000 The Mike Davis.
00:22:34.720 The Viceroy.
00:22:36.000 I'm going to get Eric Tietzel on here because today, this hangs in the balance.
00:22:41.600 President Trump is with this vote.
00:22:43.660 I think we're going to get there in the House, but that's only part of the way.
00:22:46.380 But I want to take Dave Brett.
00:22:48.940 You're going to be with me for the morning, but I want to limit.
00:22:50.860 Just give me a minute or two on kind of our theory of the case,
00:22:55.020 and really Charlie Gasparino did a very good job of outlining this today in the New York Post.
00:23:00.500 Just all this turmoil in the markets.
00:23:02.640 It's going crazy.
00:23:03.520 Literally, we try to get cuts of all these important topics.
00:23:07.980 They totally shifted to Trump's bringing on a recession, Trump's imploding the economy,
00:23:13.820 the world's over, and it's all Trump's fault.
00:23:16.240 What's the reality of this, what President Trump is trying to do geo-economically, sir?
00:23:21.800 Yeah, President Trump is the first great president since Ronald Reagan to try and restructure
00:23:27.040 the American economy, not the stock market.
00:23:29.860 He cares about the working class.
00:23:32.380 Productivity, as we've gone over on this show for four years in a row, is down for 70 years
00:23:36.860 in a row.
00:23:37.900 The one way to enhance productivity in American workers is to put capital back in the hands
00:23:42.180 of the American worker.
00:23:43.020 That's what Trump is doing.
00:23:44.380 $100 billion alone from Taiwan in capital back in the hands of the American people.
00:23:49.660 How do you do that?
00:23:50.400 You do that through trade policy.
00:23:51.720 The globalists, the mainstream press, and I got some numbers on them for later in the
00:23:56.920 show, but they are misrepresenting everything, right?
00:23:59.980 They're saying credit card debt's up.
00:24:02.300 That's true.
00:24:03.060 We've been saying that for four years, right?
00:24:04.540 All the EJ and Tony list of horrors the other day.
00:24:08.740 Debt's up.
00:24:09.560 Interest rates are up.
00:24:11.620 Everything.
00:24:12.280 The whole list of interest on the debt, a trillion.
00:24:16.180 The kids were stealing from them.
00:24:18.220 The basic bottom line is they're saying there's a recession coming.
00:24:21.840 We've reported on this show, if you stripped out, and several economists, I showed this
00:24:25.540 analysis, if you stripped out the $2 trillion of deficit spending from the Biden economy,
00:24:30.600 they were in a horrific recession already, right?
00:24:34.620 Adding $2 trillion, plus I checked the money today.
00:24:37.700 The money's still at $7 trillion on the Fed balance sheet.
00:24:40.360 So it's all artificial.
00:24:41.840 Trump's fixing it.
00:24:42.940 That's the bottom line.
00:24:45.680 Hang on.
00:24:46.260 This is what Gasparino said, which we thought was great.
00:24:48.420 Just not tariff, trade, all of it.
00:24:50.880 He also said the addiction, this is an intervention on the addiction of federal spending and how
00:24:55.880 they've used this massive Keynesian infusion.
00:24:59.060 This is what DOGE is kind of the special forces in there right now for waste, fraud, and
00:25:03.280 abuse.
00:25:04.140 The follow-on, it's going to happen this summer, is taking these programs apart, brick by
00:25:08.900 brick, Pentagon, Medicaid, other social services, social safety net.
00:25:14.400 You've got to do that.
00:25:15.280 You're going to have to have some cuts, and some of these cuts are going to be painful,
00:25:19.140 whether you're a hawk at the Pentagon and a neocon, or whether you're talking about Medicaid
00:25:23.620 or some of these other food stamp programs.
00:25:27.320 Let me bring in Eric Tietzel.
00:25:29.000 Brett, stay right there.
00:25:30.040 Get your charts ready.
00:25:31.000 Eric Tietzel from Center for Renewing America.
00:25:33.660 So let's talk about this CR.
00:25:34.820 Our audience hates CRs, particularly they hate like mini omnibuses, which this is.
00:25:41.460 I understand that there's a theory of the case here of why we want to do this.
00:25:46.780 People are saying, hey, I've heard this before.
00:25:48.380 I heard it back in December.
00:25:49.560 So let's make the case because we don't get it out of the house.
00:25:53.080 And Johnson's only got, I think, he can only lose one vote, and he's already lost that with
00:25:57.180 Tom Massey, who's been pretty blunt about why he's not there.
00:26:01.180 So Tietzel, walk us through why this audience should be not happy, but begrudgingly say,
00:26:09.140 okay, let's get it out of the house and send it to the Senate, sir.
00:26:13.660 Thanks, Steve.
00:26:14.640 Yeah, here I am.
00:26:15.840 And I don't relish the opportunity to defend CRs.
00:26:19.300 I keep having to pinch myself and ask if this is really the world in which I'm living in.
00:26:23.740 Hold on, hold on.
00:26:26.440 I spent a weekend with Russ voting, Chip Roy, and trust me, they ain't loving it either.
00:26:33.720 But they did the heave to get there because of practical reasons.
00:26:38.060 And none of them are good.
00:26:38.960 And this is why I think, I don't know why we're in here by leadership, but got us into
00:26:42.640 this, got President Trump, with the weight of the world on his shoulder, all the negotiation
00:26:47.400 with the Russians, what's happening in Saudi Arabia with the Ukraine, President Trump on
00:26:50.980 the economy, he's going up today at 5 o'clock, and we'll hopefully cover it, the business
00:26:55.580 roundtable.
00:26:56.260 Scott Besson's there tomorrow to have a discussion from 5 to 6, and we'll try to do a pregame
00:27:00.100 on that.
00:27:00.740 The weight of the world's on this guy's shoulders.
00:27:02.640 And what do we have him do yesterday?
00:27:03.900 He's whipping votes in the house.
00:27:06.520 He's literally making phone calls on this thing.
00:27:08.960 Not the best use of the time of one of the greatest presidents in our history.
00:27:14.100 But Eric, the floor is yours.
00:27:15.300 Make the case.
00:27:15.840 Hang on, I'll tell you what.
00:27:17.160 We're going to go to break.
00:27:18.160 Eric, I'll tee you up when we come back.
00:27:20.980 Eric Tietzel from Center for Renewing America.
00:27:23.960 Of course, that's the institution founded by Russ Vogt.
00:27:27.800 Mark Paoletta, Jeff Clark, superstars who are now in the administration and either doing
00:27:35.600 deregulation, as Jeff Clark is, or over at OMB.
00:27:39.140 This is a big one today.
00:27:41.480 President Trump's saying, hey, I got to have it.
00:27:43.420 You got to get this out of the house for me.
00:27:44.980 I think it's going to await a buzzsaw in the Senate.
00:27:48.280 We're going to talk all about that.
00:27:49.480 Step one, get it out of the house.
00:27:51.900 Eric Tietzel from CRA is going to make the case for that next, right here in the war room.
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00:32:49.200 So Eric Tietzel, the CR, vote's going to come about the same time President Trump is up at the business roundtable late this afternoon.
00:32:59.660 The plan is.
00:33:02.420 Why is this something that the Warren Posse should support their congressmen on when they take a vote that most of them are very uncomfortable with, sir?
00:33:11.880 Yeah, I think I'm going to need some of the tools on Tej's backdrop if I keep coming on here to promote CRs for much longer.
00:33:21.180 We at CRA, we often talk about positions versus interests.
00:33:26.360 And our position is that CRs are bad.
00:33:29.700 Full stop.
00:33:30.600 That's the principle.
00:33:31.460 That's the rule.
00:33:32.140 We know what they're used for, right?
00:33:33.840 There's simply a swamp tactic that's used to get you to an omnibus bill.
00:33:38.260 But we are living in new times that require new paradigms.
00:33:44.240 And in this particular moment, this specific time with Donald Trump as our president, Russ voted OMB, Elon doing the doge thing, and all the other great folks who are put in place all throughout the administration,
00:33:57.520 it is in our interests not to shut the government down, to continue to fund it so that they can continue to doge, so that we can move on to reconciliation,
00:34:09.440 which is the single most viable opportunity to advance President Trump's agenda legislatively,
00:34:16.740 and then to move on using things like impoundment to start to cut some of the spending that is included in this CR.
00:34:25.220 And that will all happen in the next six months.
00:34:29.160 Also during that time, we'll start the FY26 appropriations process, and that's going to be the first real opportunity
00:34:36.720 to get at some of the discretionary spending that is admittedly bad at the Biden-Harris levels that are included in the CR.
00:34:45.940 So it's all about practical politics.
00:34:48.800 We don't love it on principle, but this is the way to further the president's agenda.
00:34:52.880 And that's why you have things like the chairman of the House Freedom Caucus
00:34:56.780 at the leadership press conference this morning, standing side-by-side with Mike Johnson,
00:35:02.360 saying, we agree that in this new paradigm, this is the way to move forward for President Trump.
00:35:10.740 So you had Vice President J.D. Vance went up and talked to the conference.
00:35:13.880 He said, hey, guys, if they shut us down, they're going to throw it way off track,
00:35:18.720 and that's what they want to do.
00:35:19.760 And the House Freedom Caucus, and I think it's unanimity among the Freedom Caucus,
00:35:23.860 or at least the ones on the bubble, I think we'll get there by the vote,
00:35:27.300 which is highly unusual because these guys are adamant.
00:35:29.460 Those are the 40 or 50 Democrat votes you normally need because of the House Freedom Caucus.
00:35:34.000 But here's the question, is that we're not including,
00:35:37.940 I think what sticks in people's crawls, they can't get their heads around,
00:35:41.300 is that DOGE, and whether that number's $500 billion or whether it's $5 billion,
00:35:47.740 forget what the absolute number is,
00:35:49.320 the fact that they have found definitely some waste, fraud, and abuse, right?
00:35:55.680 And if we vote, do the up or down vote,
00:35:57.920 we're essentially paying for the waste, fraud, and abuse.
00:36:02.200 And so, one, what is the element, what is the tactic?
00:36:07.300 What are we going to do to make sure that doesn't happen
00:36:09.440 throughout the rest of fiscal 2025 between now and September 30th, sir?
00:36:14.100 This is a really good question.
00:36:15.560 So, here's what's important for people to understand.
00:36:19.160 Just because Congress appropriates money does not mean that that money gets spent.
00:36:24.240 There's an intermediary step called obligation,
00:36:27.920 and that runs through the Office of Management and Budget.
00:36:30.800 It has to pass right through Russ Vogt's fingers
00:36:33.600 in order to actually hit the spot that Congress appropriated it for.
00:36:39.440 So, it's kind of like saying to your bank,
00:36:42.680 increase my credit limit on the credit card.
00:36:44.900 They may do that, but that doesn't mean that you've spent up to the credit limit.
00:36:49.280 You have to go to the store and actually spend the money before it gets obligated.
00:36:53.840 So, this is a little like Congress saying,
00:36:56.360 increase the credit limit according to the Biden-Harris levels,
00:36:59.660 and then handing the credit card to Russ Vogt and Elon.
00:37:03.540 What do you think they're going to do with it?
00:37:05.320 They've already proven that they're not going to spend that money.
00:37:09.160 Russ is going to take a look at it.
00:37:10.460 He's going to say, this doesn't further our interests.
00:37:14.460 It's wasteful.
00:37:15.760 It's weaponized.
00:37:16.960 It's woke.
00:37:18.660 And the president has the authority as the executive of our nation to say,
00:37:23.420 nah, I'm not spending that.
00:37:24.600 And they're going to send it right back to the Treasury.
00:37:26.600 Okay, we know there's not one Democrat vote in the House for this.
00:37:32.660 And this is unusual, folks.
00:37:33.820 Normally you get 40-50 because the Democratic Party lives off and breathes for big government
00:37:40.440 and big government spending.
00:37:42.600 Hakeem Jeffries has got them lockstep because it's about Doge and about this ability to do
00:37:48.280 impoundments or whatever.
00:37:49.280 They are locked in.
00:37:50.120 They are set to shut down President Trump's government.
00:37:52.220 In the Senate, with Rand Paul right now saying he's a no, I don't know.
00:37:57.440 We're going to need seven or eight minimum Democrat senators to break cloture at least.
00:38:03.320 And we don't know what other Republicans are getting jiggy on us.
00:38:06.200 The Democrats have already signaled that their big fight is they're afraid if they vote for
00:38:11.500 that it just empowers Elon Musk and his Doge team to go crazier.
00:38:16.620 But their solution may be to say, okay, we'll do this, but we're going to actually put in their
00:38:24.760 version of the CR where Russ vote and folks can't impound, can't rescind that this is the number
00:38:31.040 and the executive has no ability to do it.
00:38:33.800 What are your thoughts about that, sir?
00:38:36.040 There is definitely a likelihood that because of Senate Democrats, the House passed CR can't
00:38:43.120 get through the Senate, at least initially, and that will lead to a shutdown.
00:38:47.040 But think about what the context will be of that shutdown.
00:38:50.500 House Republicans will have passed a clean CR at Biden-Harris spending levels.
00:38:56.380 And now you're saying that Senate Democrats are going to shut down the entire federal government,
00:39:01.760 which is their number one constituency, in which they have howled and cried for years every single
00:39:09.260 time Republicans have shut down the government, right?
00:39:12.180 Now they're going to own it.
00:39:13.740 And they will have no ground to stand on because we haven't cut a dime in the CR from what Biden
00:39:19.200 and Harris were trying to do.
00:39:20.540 What is their rationale?
00:39:22.160 What's their explanation to the American people?
00:39:24.860 What's their explanation, much more importantly to them, to federal workers who won't be getting
00:39:29.660 paid their number one constituency?
00:39:32.560 I have a hard time seeing them win that fight.
00:39:35.900 And I think you're going to find the seven or eight weak sisters who are willing to say,
00:39:40.040 you know what?
00:39:40.680 We're here to govern, right?
00:39:42.180 That's the regime language.
00:39:44.140 We're a governing party.
00:39:46.080 We may not like it, but we can't do this shutdown thing.
00:39:48.980 And they will open it back up and we'll get to move forward.
00:39:51.800 But if they don't, well, then the government is shut down.
00:39:54.980 And there are plenty of conservatives out there who've been hankering for an opportunity
00:39:59.140 like that anyway.
00:40:00.300 In my mind, it's a win-win.
00:40:04.120 Yeah.
00:40:04.860 We don't want to shut down President Trump's government.
00:40:07.920 Last point.
00:40:11.560 FY26.
00:40:12.600 And this is where we get into, because look, we're just simply, he reiterated yesterday
00:40:17.520 he's going to find a trillion dollars of waste, fraud, and abuse.
00:40:19.460 God bless him.
00:40:20.020 And he would be treated as a hero, not just in conservative movement by the American people
00:40:26.500 if he found a trillion dollars.
00:40:27.920 But my worrying assumption, you're not going to get there.
00:40:30.740 You're going to have to get to the hard work of programmatically taking this thing apart.
00:40:35.260 That is going to take place in the spring and summer of 26, according to this schedule.
00:40:39.420 How can you get this audience comfortable?
00:40:41.660 I mean, we went through these fights before, I think, in 23 to get single-subject appropriations
00:40:47.900 bills, and it wasn't great, like USAID was still in there, but we were making progress,
00:40:53.040 but it never came up to a vote.
00:40:54.620 How, I mean, what is your theory here, and Russ's theory, of how we actually get to the
00:41:01.400 hard work in the appropriations process so we don't have to do CRs again, and we actually
00:41:06.860 have single-sub-appropriations bills that really go after federal spending and go after
00:41:11.580 it in a big way, sir?
00:41:12.700 The tie that binds this all together is President Trump.
00:41:16.880 This is his party, it's his movement, and it's his agenda.
00:41:20.960 And I don't think any of these guys want to get outside the bounds of what President Trump
00:41:24.680 is demanding that they do, alongside Elon and Russ and the rest of the team.
00:41:29.160 So that's what gives us hope, is this new leadership and the new paradigm that flows from
00:41:34.100 it.
00:41:34.640 President Trump matters a lot more than Mike Johnson.
00:41:37.800 He matters a lot more than any other individual member of the House or Senate.
00:41:41.400 The last thing any of these guys or gals wants to do is be the focal point of his ex-feed,
00:41:47.420 his truth social feed, Elon's ex-feed, and so on and so on, right?
00:41:51.960 Can you imagine anything worse for your political interest and career than to be in that spotlight?
00:41:57.460 They are going to instruct these folks to do their work.
00:42:00.940 And because we have that regime in power, I'm ambivalent about whether we do single-issue
00:42:07.180 appropriations bills.
00:42:08.080 I think it's a good and effective way to really get, as you said, into the machine and start
00:42:13.240 picking it apart at a molecular level.
00:42:16.360 But if what they want to do is an omnibus, but it's an omnibus that furthers President
00:42:21.300 Trump's agenda, then we'll move forward in that way.
00:42:24.620 We'll just see where it goes.
00:42:25.780 The point is the cuts.
00:42:26.860 The point is the spending, which we've got to get under control.
00:42:30.580 Reconciliation's a way to do it.
00:42:31.720 The impoundment's a way to do it.
00:42:33.580 And that FY26 appropriations process is going to be a really important opportunity to do
00:42:38.700 it some more.
00:42:41.220 Okay.
00:42:41.760 You're not concerned about the form as the results.
00:42:44.020 Okay.
00:42:44.300 Eric, where do people get you?
00:42:45.740 Social media and over at CRA.
00:42:47.220 Where do they go?
00:42:48.060 Yeah.
00:42:48.360 I'm on exit at Eric Tietzel.
00:42:50.360 You can visit our website at renewingamerica.com.
00:42:54.940 Would love to connect with your listeners and talk about this more.
00:42:58.500 I know this is new, it's different, and it's complicated.
00:43:02.280 We're here to try to make it easy.
00:43:05.840 Thank you, brother.
00:43:06.660 Appreciate you.
00:43:07.700 Thanks a lot, Steve.
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00:44:42.740 Here's your host, Stephen K.
00:44:45.720 Bannon.
00:44:48.380 Jim's got a strategic intelligence, as you can imagine, has been on fire with everything
00:44:53.420 going on with President Trump's repositioning geo-strategically and geo-economically.
00:44:58.780 Dave Brat's going to join me shortly to go through his thoughts and charts.
00:45:03.240 Also going to break down Charlie Gasparino's piece in the New York Post, going through President
00:45:07.360 Trump's plans.
00:45:08.740 So make sure you go to Rickardswarroom.com.
00:45:10.860 All one word, strategic intelligence.
00:45:13.040 And you get the free book on money and artificial intelligence, which ought to wake you up.
00:45:19.220 We also have an announcement later about Joe Allen and Mark Jephtovic are going to debate,
00:45:24.120 I think, on Jephtovic's podcast.
00:45:26.620 We'll make sure you get the time of that.
00:45:27.780 We're going to try to stream it.
00:45:29.800 Todd Benzman joins us.
00:45:31.400 Benzman's down for a trip to actually, he wants to see how secure the border is.
00:45:36.540 Benzman, where are you and how secure has President Trump made it in about 45 days?
00:45:40.840 Sir.
00:45:42.580 Right.
00:45:43.140 I'm in El Paso, Juarez.
00:45:46.500 So it's the El Paso sector.
00:45:48.980 I'm right down here on the wall, as you can see.
00:45:52.520 Checking out.
00:45:53.320 I came in yesterday, spent all day out there yesterday on the U.S. side.
00:45:58.280 Tomorrow I'll go over to the Juarez side.
00:46:00.100 And then what I'm seeing is just pretty much confirming what the numbers show us, which
00:46:06.300 are that every which is that everything is way, way down to historic lows, maybe 200, 300
00:46:13.500 a day crossing, and importantly, 100% of those who are caught are being expelled immediately back.
00:46:21.340 That's the big shift in policy.
00:46:24.380 Nobody is being released into the interior.
00:46:26.720 So that's why you have 200 or 300.
00:46:29.180 That's a historic low.
00:46:31.500 But the thing I wanted to tell you that's really important is that the runners and gotaways are
00:46:39.080 also down.
00:46:40.080 Nobody's been really reporting on the ones that are not apprehended.
00:46:43.260 Runners and those who get away into the interior.
00:46:47.640 Remember, we've had 2.2, 2.4 million over the last four years get into the country without
00:46:55.420 Border Patrol laying hand on them.
00:46:58.960 Now, this sector, which is one of the busiest sector, I've been down here many, many times,
00:47:04.720 one of the busiest sectors, they have zero days, days where there are no gotaways at all.
00:47:11.460 And then the days that they do have gotaways, there's like two or three that they catch or
00:47:16.880 that they notice.
00:47:17.800 So that's really important.
00:47:20.340 And what you're seeing there is video that I put up just a little while ago showing the
00:47:25.180 wreck that the Biden administration left the fence, the wall in.
00:47:31.120 And we have this helicopter passing over me right now.
00:47:34.640 Just feet.
00:47:40.260 Sorry about that.
00:47:41.460 No, but look at that wall right there, Biden.
00:47:45.160 Look at the disaster.
00:47:47.220 What a joke.
00:47:47.860 Yeah.
00:47:48.540 What this tells us is that-
00:47:49.940 What a joke.
00:47:50.640 We got to get that Trump wall.
00:47:52.720 The original Trump wall has to go up.
00:47:54.980 They can't waste any time.
00:47:57.160 They've got to get that thing up all along.
00:48:00.380 I'm not sure where they are on the money part of that, but they've got to work and get that
00:48:05.180 thing going right now.
00:48:06.880 You can see that stretch right there.
00:48:09.220 That's La Linea cartel right on the other side of that thing.
00:48:12.280 And also, one last thing, Steve, about this is just because the numbers are down does not
00:48:20.600 mean that the Trump administration should let off the gas.
00:48:24.960 It's all gas, no brake, all the time.
00:48:27.600 Can't change anything at all.
00:48:29.900 There's a striker brigade coming into this area pretty soon.
00:48:33.720 They're needed.
00:48:34.740 Even though the numbers are down, they're needed.
00:48:36.840 That's how you keep the numbers down.
00:48:38.480 Todd, are you at our wall right there?
00:48:43.500 Is that up Mount Crystal Ray?
00:48:45.840 Is that the wall that we built?
00:48:47.820 Or what part of El Paso sector are you at?
00:48:50.640 Crystal Ray is right-
00:48:52.220 I'm looking at it this way.
00:48:53.640 It's the other way.
00:48:55.320 Your wall is on the other side of that.
00:48:57.740 This is a little bit further west.
00:49:01.920 Where was that wall that-
00:49:03.940 Where's the dilapidated wall that you just saw?
00:49:07.280 Where was that in relation to this and Crystal Ray?
00:49:11.300 Yeah, that's eight or nine miles to the west this way.
00:49:15.440 I was there yesterday.
00:49:17.120 And that thing, that is La Linea territory over there.
00:49:21.860 And I've been there many times on the Juarez side where they're just climbing over that thing.
00:49:27.120 They're cutting through it.
00:49:28.060 It's the old wall from the Bush era.
00:49:30.600 And you can just cut right through it.
00:49:32.320 It's steel mesh.
00:49:33.400 It's not this bollard stuff that you see right here.
00:49:35.920 That stuff, they were cutting through.
00:49:39.160 Right now, they're not cutting through as much, obviously, because there's a lot of soldiers over there.
00:49:47.320 There's a lot of border patrol that they're not processing people in.
00:49:51.460 So they're out there.
00:49:52.660 And their orders are to catch them and prosecute them.
00:49:55.780 I asked one of them, why are the numbers of runners so low over here right now?
00:50:02.040 And the border patrol agent looked at me and said, prosecutions.
00:50:06.580 So apparently, they're 1325-ing everybody they catch.
00:50:10.700 And they're putting them in jail and prison, et cetera.
00:50:12.920 And they're deporting them all the way back to their home, too, when they're not doing that.
00:50:20.460 Are you happy?
00:50:21.900 You want to go down there.
00:50:23.600 Are you happy by what you're seeing?
00:50:26.020 I know this is the first time that border patrol has actually been free because they were processing under Biden to actually work with you and escort you, right?
00:50:33.540 Are you happy by what you're seeing on the combined effort down there?
00:50:36.980 It's night and day, Steve.
00:50:40.180 It is just unbelievable.
00:50:41.640 This is the first time I've been down here where it's not total chaos, where there's just all kinds of crazy going on.
00:50:49.900 I'm talking to my cop friends with Texas DPS, and they're complaining we don't have any stash houses to bust in El Paso anymore.
00:50:57.720 Our numbers are down.
00:50:58.820 They're mad at us because our arrest numbers are down.
00:51:02.720 And, you know, we get more arrests because that's the dilapidated wall I discovered yesterday there.
00:51:10.160 But the point is, is, you know, it's returned to the norm, the pre-Biden norm, the old Trump norm, the way he left it.
00:51:21.040 Actually, it's way below.
00:51:22.360 The numbers are way, way below.
00:51:24.060 They're like a third what they were the historic lows of the last months of the Trump 0.1 administration.
00:51:32.720 This puts a lie to the, you needed comprehensive legislation or you needed root causes.
00:51:40.640 All a lie.
00:51:42.140 Todd Benson down there is an eyewitness.
00:51:43.720 Todd, can you just hang on?
00:51:44.660 It's just a 90-second break.
00:51:46.560 I've got a couple more questions about the cartels, about those striker brigades.
00:51:50.080 Dave Bratt's going to join us.
00:51:52.160 Cameron Kinsey's going to join us.
00:51:53.880 Tom Tinsley from Wisconsin about this Supreme Court judge in Wisconsin race.
00:52:03.800 All important.
00:52:04.560 Scott Pressler's been up there working it.
00:52:07.540 You're in the war room for the morning show on fire.
00:52:11.520 Big vote today at 4 o'clock.
00:52:13.180 I think President Trump's got the votes.
00:52:15.240 Speaker Johnson's about to tell us that in a moment.
00:52:18.380 Going to leave you with the right stuff.
00:52:19.880 You know why?
00:52:21.920 Because you've got it.
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00:52:29.460 Short commercial break.
00:52:30.440 90 seconds.
00:52:31.300 Back to the border with Todd Benzman.
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