Bannon's War Room - Episode 4695： Remembering Nagasaki 80 Years Ago Today

00:00:00.000 destroy or enslave the Japanese people, but only surrender can prevent the kind of ruin

00:00:07.780 which they have seen come to Germany as a result of continued useless resistance.

00:00:15.400 Would have been sooner, but I guess there's security arrangements that unfortunately people

00:00:19.840 have to make. President Putin, I believe, wants to see peace and Zelensky wants to see peace.

00:00:25.960 And Trump says Putin wants to see peace. Of course, if Putin really did want peace, he could call off

00:00:33.540 his deadly war at any moment. But he hasn't. And that's because Trump revealed what Putin wants

00:00:40.620 in exchange for stopping the bloodshed. You're looking at territory that's been

00:00:46.480 fought over for three and a half years with, you know, a lot of Russians have died. A lot of

00:00:51.280 Ukrainians have died. So we're looking at that. But we're actually looking to get some back

00:00:56.200 and some swapping. Let's be clear here, though, that is swapping Ukrainian sovereign territory

00:01:04.880 seized by Russia by force, displacing countless Ukrainians and looking cities, leaving cities

00:01:11.560 looking like that. They're killing an estimated 13000 civilians, according to the U.N., the U.N.

00:01:17.920 Now a source tells CNN that Putin and Trump's special envoy, Steve Witkoff, discussed an end

00:01:23.120 to the fighting if Ukraine were to cede control of all of the Donetsk and Luhansk regions in eastern

00:01:31.000 Ukraine land, mostly under Russian control, as well as Crimea, which Russia illegally annexed back in

00:01:39.060 2014. As for Putin, he has never been shy when it comes to what his true intentions are when it comes to

00:01:45.820 Ukraine. Russia isn't capturing territory. We are returning what's rightfully ours.

00:01:54.020 After Hiroshima, Tokyo wondered when the next atom bomb would fall. They did not wonder long because

00:02:01.540 the president delivered an ultimatum, surrender or face complete destruction. The Japanese ignored the

00:02:08.760 ultimatum. It was evident that atomic power to break the enemy must become the tale of two cities,

00:02:14.840 buildings. Nagasaki was selected to become target city number two. Exactly three days after Hiroshima,

00:02:22.720 a B-29 set out for Nagasaki.

00:02:24.920 Instructions were precise. To the north, Japan's greatest torpedo plant. To the south, steel and

00:02:33.720 arms works were located in the heart of the city. The bomb was aimed midway between the two plants to

00:02:39.800 cause greatest possible damage. Because the plants were located in a valley, surrounding hills shielded

00:02:45.680 most residential areas and concentrated the damage on the industrial section. At 10.58, the morning of

00:02:52.320 August 9th, the bomb was exploded above the city and in the towering mushroom, Japan could read its

00:02:58.320 doom. This was more than a routine bombing. It was the funeral pyre of an aggressor nation. The bomb had

00:03:05.240 been purposely exploded high so that the greatest part of its radioactive material was dissipated in the

00:03:10.700 stratosphere. Matthew, can you take us through Israel's plan and give us a sense of the reception

00:03:19.180 it's been met with from the international community?

00:03:24.820 Yeah, well, we don't have all the details of the plan. I mean, what we do know is that it's supposed

00:03:29.600 to get underway on October the 7th. That date was picked on purpose, of course, to coincide with the

00:03:36.320 two years since the massacres led by Hamas in southern Israel. We know that it's going to involve the mass

00:03:43.780 movement of people from Gaza City, which is the most densely populated area of the Gaza Strip,

00:03:50.240 still not under full Israeli military control, move them out to the south of Gaza, where they're going

00:03:56.860 to set up humanitarian sort of evacuation centres where people can get supposedly some kind of

00:04:03.400 humanitarian aid there, which Israel says it will provide. And it would clear the way in Gaza City,

00:04:09.780 this is the theory, for Israel's military to attack and destroy Hamas finally, after nearly two years

00:04:18.540 of trying to do that. I guess the problem is that from a Palestinian humanitarian point of view,

00:04:25.340 you know, the cure for the disease is as bad as the disease itself. It's going to involve, I expect,

00:04:31.840 everybody expects a great deal of displacement of Palestinian people, many of whom have been displaced

00:04:37.680 many times before. It's going to mean no humanitarian aid for people who stay in Gaza City. And it's

00:04:43.880 probably going to mean a lot more deaths as well. We've seen tens of thousands of people killed so

00:04:48.640 far. That's likely to continue. From an Israeli point of view, and the vast majority of Israelis,

00:04:54.260 remember, are totally against this plan. They see this as a potentially a death sentence for the

00:05:01.440 hostages that are still being held inside the Gaza Strip. There are 20 of them who are still

00:05:06.460 still believed to be alive, 50 in total, but 20 still believed to be alive. And of course,

00:05:13.420 the country is utterly exhausted after nearly two years of constant wars in Gaza, in Lebanon,

00:05:20.660 in Syria, or recently in Iran as well. And they just want the country to return to some kind of

00:05:26.360 normality. There's only one real group in Israel that wants this, and that's the hardline right-wing

00:05:34.300 coalition partners of Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister. They've been pushing hard

00:05:40.260 for a full occupation of Gaza for a long time now. They want to build Jewish settlements there. They're

00:05:45.660 saying that publicly. And, you know, if they leave, if Netanyahu loses their support, his government

00:05:52.720 could fall. And so this is being seen by many Israelis as a political move rather than a necessary one.

00:05:59.080 There will be some swapping of territories to the betterment of both, referring obviously to Russia

00:06:05.160 and Ukraine. What's going on here? Where is this headed? The president's now going to decide who

00:06:10.820 gets what? Well, this is like, I mean, the idea that somehow Donald Trump is at the center of

00:06:19.600 geopolitical conflicts and is the person that is now apparently, according to reporting that we have

00:06:24.600 this evening, going to be sitting down with Vladimir Putin to hash out an agreement over Ukraine

00:06:31.040 somewhere in Alaska. I mean, this is pretty much a nightmare from any foreign policy vantage point.

00:06:37.460 The fact that the White House is even announcing that the president may meet with Putin without any

00:06:42.760 concessions that we've been told of is like a huge legitimization of a dictator that for a long time,

00:06:50.680 several decades, has been one of our number one geopolitical adversaries. So like just off the

00:06:56.680 bat stuff, it's a disaster. And the idea that somehow Donald Trump is going to be operating

00:07:02.360 without Zelensky and perhaps without Zelensky's buy-in in the best interest of the Ukrainian people

00:07:07.420 is nightmarish, not just for the people who have suffered through this hellish war, but it's also

00:07:12.620 a huge line in the sand for Europe. And it's what it means to be a democracy in the West in the age of

00:07:19.620 Trump, which is to say you can get sold up the river quite easily without any guarantees of your

00:07:25.300 survival if it serves the ego of the president of the United States. I mean, I cannot underscore

00:07:30.340 enough how dangerous and treacherous all of this is. And the idea that Trump, who has never really

00:07:36.860 had a plan for anything, see the first conversation this hour, is going to approach this in the sort of

00:07:42.460 slapdash, shoot from the hip manner he approaches, everything else is, you know, it's a desperate hour

00:07:49.120 for not just Ukraine, but like I said, I think the entire global community that values liberal

00:07:53.400 liberal democracy. From the air, the skeletons of the Mitsubishi plants made evident that Nagasaki's

00:07:59.260 war-making power was totally destroyed. For the valley area of little more than three square miles,

00:08:05.720 blast and fire reduced the industrial plants and surrounding buildings to blackened rubble.

00:08:10.180 The Mitsubishi steel and arms works extended almost a mile in length. Before the blast, these were

00:08:22.920 modern buildings constructed like our own American factories. Closer examination of the ruins shows the

00:08:29.000 same complete destruction that characterized the ruins of Hiroshima. Damage to equipment and machinery used

00:08:35.440 in the manufacture of naval rifles, AA guns and heavy artillery was such that even if Japan had determined

00:08:41.420 to commit suicide by continuing resistance, she could not have salvaged much from the ruins.

00:08:46.420 Well, that is throwing down the gauntlet yet again to Europe and elsewhere. And, you know, that is creating

00:08:54.100 another nightmare, quite frankly. But can I just go back and quickly talk about Trump and Putin? Because

00:08:59.040 I spent years of my life in the former Soviet Union and I still watch a lot of Russian television and

00:09:04.840 someone should tell President Putin, sorry, President Trump, a terrible slip there, President Trump,

00:09:10.680 that, you know, on the nightly television shows in Moscow in recent months, Vyachira and things like

00:09:16.380 that, they actually discuss very openly the idea that actually Russia thinks it should own Alaska.

00:09:22.740 Russia has been incredibly expansionist in its rhetoric in the last few months. And so the idea of

00:09:29.020 sitting down in Alaska of all places where people have been saying on Russian TV shows like this on

00:09:35.380 Russian television saying, you know, actually, we think we should take back Alaska shows just how

00:09:41.040 either willfully blind people in the White House are to the mentality of the Russian leadership right

00:09:46.760 now, or they just don't care. And they're trying to strike a deal directly with Putin.

00:09:59.020 And they're trying to stop it. And they're trying to keep an eye on the K Casey. Because they're trying to

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00:10:26.640 It's Saturday, the 9th of August,

00:10:36.440 in the year of our Lord, 2025,

00:10:38.040 with wars and the rumors of war about.

00:10:40.860 This is the 80th anniversary of the commemoration

00:10:44.080 of the dropping of the second nuclear weapon.

00:10:46.680 It was dropped on Nagasaki.

00:10:49.340 The Japanese has still refused to surrender.

00:10:53.200 We've got a very packed show today,

00:10:55.320 but we're going to start there,

00:10:56.540 and also about Russia and Gaza and all of it.

00:10:59.820 Dave Brett joins me.

00:11:01.340 Right now, even as we speak,

00:11:04.140 Steve Witkoff, the president's envoy

00:11:07.320 for all of these deals,

00:11:09.740 is meeting in, I think it's been reported,

00:11:11.720 Ibiza, a resort island off of Spain,

00:11:15.040 with the heads of Qatar.

00:11:17.420 And they're coming up right now

00:11:18.580 with a comprehensive plan

00:11:20.140 that would be an alternative

00:11:21.240 to the Gaza occupation,

00:11:23.540 which has essentially been,

00:11:25.720 as we said, greeted by the world,

00:11:28.120 the chief of staff of the IDF,

00:11:30.800 the Israeli army,

00:11:32.040 and the rest of the world

00:11:33.280 as maybe not the best idea in the world.

00:11:35.600 We keep saying,

00:11:36.840 as long as it's going to depend upon

00:11:38.920 American involvement logistically,

00:11:41.500 which it will,

00:11:42.700 it's a terrible idea.

00:11:43.760 Also, the Russians have put out

00:11:46.040 their titanic forces

00:11:47.820 already trying to destroy

00:11:50.020 this historic meeting,

00:11:53.180 dare say,

00:11:53.720 I call it a summit,

00:11:55.540 the mainstream media won't call it that,

00:11:56.900 between Putin of the KGB in Russia

00:12:00.880 and President Donald Trump,

00:12:02.220 a historic meeting

00:12:03.440 in a very historic place.

00:12:05.340 Dave Brett joins us as co-host today.

00:12:08.440 We've also got Claire Pascal

00:12:09.740 and Dr. Thayer going to be here

00:12:11.560 to explain all of it

00:12:13.500 about the Pacific War

00:12:14.560 and how the Americans

00:12:16.120 tried to bring that to an end.

00:12:18.880 And also, Tom Dance

00:12:20.720 is going to talk to us about Alaska.

00:12:22.440 First of all,

00:12:22.800 we've got a couple minutes here.

00:12:24.040 Dave Brett,

00:12:25.560 and by the way,

00:12:26.040 I want to give our young charges

00:12:28.300 here in the war room

00:12:30.040 just another bravo Zulu

00:12:31.760 for an amazing cold open

00:12:33.220 intercutting so many different parts

00:12:35.220 of history and modern geopolitics.

00:12:38.580 Dave Brett,

00:12:39.480 your thoughts on where we are

00:12:40.800 on this eighth commemoration

00:12:42.220 of the bombing of Nagasaki?

00:12:46.820 Yeah, well,

00:12:47.780 that kudos for the cold open,

00:12:51.100 Cameron, again.

00:12:52.520 That, not only just the content,

00:12:55.420 but the cultural situation

00:12:57.660 we face ourselves in

00:12:58.980 with these elites commenting, right?

00:13:01.580 So, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, war,

00:13:07.020 and then the elites there,

00:13:09.360 it was, I can't remember which of them,

00:13:11.320 but she says,

00:13:12.080 I can't believe this.

00:13:13.620 The president gets to decide

00:13:15.220 what we're going to do in Ukraine?

00:13:17.940 President Donald,

00:13:18.600 he gets to decide

00:13:19.480 what we're going to do?

00:13:21.220 There's been no commentary

00:13:22.560 from the left

00:13:23.300 on the establishment going in, right?

00:13:26.080 This all started back,

00:13:27.280 we took out Mosaddegh

00:13:29.000 with the CIA

00:13:29.760 and MI6

00:13:31.760 back with Eisenhower

00:13:33.580 who went along reluctantly

00:13:35.260 with the CIA

00:13:36.040 who yanked him in,

00:13:37.880 right, with MI6.

00:13:39.000 Sound familiar?

00:13:39.640 Same as today.

00:13:41.180 So the president did all that.

00:13:43.460 Then you've got the Bushes

00:13:45.300 and their deal

00:13:46.880 with Gorbachev in 91.

00:13:48.980 No comment on that.

00:13:50.820 And then these elite betters,

00:13:52.340 the Financial Times,

00:13:53.400 and she's, you know,

00:13:54.240 they're acting like

00:13:54.960 they're the elitist know-it-alls.

00:13:56.100 They are the bright ones.

00:13:58.120 They're very smart, right?

00:13:59.160 They write the A-plus paper,

00:14:01.140 but on the wrong subject.

00:14:02.800 If you'll notice,

00:14:03.920 these elite betters

00:14:05.000 don't bring up

00:14:05.740 the thesis statement

00:14:06.740 of our current modern world,

00:14:08.520 which is China.

00:14:09.740 All of these things

00:14:10.880 we're talking about

00:14:11.760 are takeaways,

00:14:13.040 opportunity costs,

00:14:14.240 wasted resources,

00:14:15.400 away from our mission statement

00:14:17.520 and our strategic objectives.

00:14:20.240 And so the cold open

00:14:21.420 was just great

00:14:22.200 at showing the irony

00:14:23.620 of our elite betters

00:14:26.020 trying to frame the issues

00:14:27.280 and they missed

00:14:28.000 the thesis statement.

00:14:29.040 I'm glad you got Thayer with

00:14:30.160 and all that today.

00:14:33.000 Hang on for a second, Dave.

00:14:34.540 You're going to be with me

00:14:35.200 for the next two hours.

00:14:36.260 We're going to get into

00:14:37.120 the mRNA vaccine.

00:14:38.760 All of it

00:14:39.380 here on a Saturday

00:14:41.020 in the War Room.

00:14:42.360 We're going to take

00:14:42.940 a short commercial break.

00:14:44.060 We're going to return

00:14:44.980 and we're going to talk

00:14:46.720 about 80 years ago,

00:14:48.260 the Imperial Japanese

00:14:49.600 High Command

00:14:50.280 and the bombing of Nagasaki.

00:14:51.680 Okay, next in the War Room.

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00:16:56.660 There is a book

00:16:57.700 of the many thousands

00:17:00.000 of books on World War II.

00:17:01.840 There's one that's

00:17:02.360 particularly good

00:17:02.960 about a history of World War II.

00:17:04.800 And I think Denver

00:17:06.000 will have the cover here.

00:17:06.900 here in a moment

00:17:07.340 called Annihilation.

00:17:09.640 It's written

00:17:10.300 kind of in a different framing

00:17:13.020 and talking about

00:17:14.100 how wars,

00:17:14.860 and they use World War II

00:17:15.580 as an example,

00:17:16.360 as wars go on,

00:17:17.920 because of deaths

00:17:19.500 and destruction

00:17:20.320 and people's families

00:17:21.480 being destroyed

00:17:22.220 and friends being destroyed

00:17:23.340 and hometowns

00:17:24.020 being destroyed,

00:17:24.660 that the natural human element

00:17:27.460 of revenge

00:17:28.500 and vengeance

00:17:29.580 takes over.

00:17:31.560 And that is,

00:17:32.300 particularly people

00:17:32.960 and sides dig in,

00:17:34.080 these wars

00:17:35.700 become wars

00:17:36.360 of annihilation.

00:17:37.820 This was what

00:17:38.600 World War II was

00:17:39.480 and it reached

00:17:39.980 an absolute peak

00:17:41.920 in the bombing

00:17:42.480 of Germany

00:17:43.060 and the destruction

00:17:43.660 of the Red Army

00:17:44.460 in Germany

00:17:46.420 and also in the Pacific

00:17:47.680 theater

00:17:49.300 where the Japanese

00:17:50.440 who started the war

00:17:51.940 would not surrender.

00:17:53.900 It led to the firebombing

00:17:55.360 of Tokyo

00:17:55.960 by Curtis LeMay

00:17:57.540 and then eventually

00:17:58.320 to the use

00:17:59.020 of tactical

00:18:00.860 nuclear weapons.

00:18:02.320 This is the lesson

00:18:03.200 for today

00:18:03.800 and this is the big lesson

00:18:04.720 in Ukraine.

00:18:05.360 Remember,

00:18:06.600 as we continue to say

00:18:07.820 and the only people

00:18:08.560 that really understand

00:18:09.580 how to frame this,

00:18:10.520 this is much deadlier

00:18:11.740 than the early years

00:18:12.840 of the Second World War.

00:18:14.940 From 1939,

00:18:16.760 the invasion of Poland

00:18:18.320 to all the way

00:18:20.840 to the Wehrmacht's

00:18:22.100 Operation Barbarossa,

00:18:23.540 the invasion of Russia.

00:18:25.140 Actually,

00:18:25.600 I would go back

00:18:26.240 and even throw in

00:18:26.920 the Asian part of the war,

00:18:28.900 Manchuria, Nanking

00:18:29.960 and all that,

00:18:30.840 all the bloodshed there

00:18:31.820 from 1935, I guess, on.

00:18:34.320 You still wouldn't get

00:18:35.080 the bloodshed you've seen

00:18:36.280 in the combination

00:18:37.300 of Ukraine and Gaza today.

00:18:40.520 And this is why

00:18:41.060 what President Trump

00:18:41.860 is trying to do

00:18:42.660 is absolutely heroic.

00:18:44.420 And you see right there,

00:18:46.280 particularly in that cold open,

00:18:48.160 Stephanie Ruhl show

00:18:49.100 last night

00:18:49.840 with Wagner

00:18:51.480 and Jillian Tett

00:18:52.880 absolutely losing it.

00:18:55.340 How can,

00:18:56.240 President Trump,

00:18:56.560 this is authoritarianism.

00:18:57.920 How can you do this?

00:18:58.540 He's trying to bring

00:18:59.440 these wars to a conclusion

00:19:01.440 before they spin

00:19:02.320 even more out of control

00:19:03.640 than they already are.

00:19:06.740 And in both situations,

00:19:08.740 they're absolutely,

00:19:09.580 totally out of control.

00:19:10.760 And what President Trump's

00:19:11.740 trying to do

00:19:12.300 is absolutely heroic, right?

00:19:14.580 And there's going to be

00:19:15.220 some speed bumps, obviously.

00:19:16.660 But the world right now

00:19:18.600 is totally against

00:19:19.700 the Europeans.

00:19:20.840 They're meeting.

00:19:21.640 They're trying to come up.

00:19:22.460 There's titanic forces

00:19:23.540 to try to stop this.

00:19:25.480 Particularly,

00:19:26.060 they don't want Putin,

00:19:27.580 they don't want

00:19:28.000 the Russian people

00:19:28.720 and the American people

00:19:29.480 to kind of come together

00:19:30.460 and think this thing through.

00:19:32.580 Particularly about

00:19:34.120 the Chinese Communist Party.

00:19:35.560 So the infiltration

00:19:36.800 of the West,

00:19:37.340 you're going to see it all

00:19:38.140 in all of its glory

00:19:39.240 between now

00:19:40.220 and the 15th of August.

00:19:43.780 I want to bring in,

00:19:44.680 I'll start with

00:19:45.160 Dr. Bradley Thayer.

00:19:46.120 So frame this for us.

00:19:48.380 Nagasaki.

00:19:49.480 The Japanese got hit

00:19:51.860 by a nuclear weapon

00:19:53.060 in Hiroshima

00:19:53.820 and still would not surrender.

00:19:56.680 We had to go

00:19:57.520 and drop the second

00:19:58.720 nuclear weapon

00:19:59.580 a couple of days later

00:20:01.380 and still

00:20:03.020 they would not surrender.

00:20:04.360 Go back in time

00:20:06.300 and tell us,

00:20:07.220 put the framing

00:20:07.960 around this, sir.

00:20:09.940 Well, Steve,

00:20:10.900 as you said,

00:20:11.660 it's very hard

00:20:12.940 to end wars.

00:20:13.920 It's very hard

00:20:14.500 in particular

00:20:15.020 to end great power wars

00:20:16.480 because of the sacrifices,

00:20:18.200 the blood price,

00:20:19.220 as Clausewitz put it,

00:20:21.240 right?

00:20:21.560 In a great power war,

00:20:22.880 the blood price

00:20:23.720 is going to be very high.

00:20:25.660 So it makes it

00:20:26.320 very difficult

00:20:26.940 to end these conflicts

00:20:28.400 once they've started.

00:20:31.040 So what Nagasaki did

00:20:33.200 and why it's so significant

00:20:34.560 is after Hiroshima,

00:20:37.080 the second atomic bombing

00:20:38.720 demonstrated the U.S.

00:20:41.000 had this horrific weapon.

00:20:42.460 The nuclear strategist

00:20:44.140 Bernard Brody

00:20:44.960 would later call

00:20:45.640 the absolute weapon.

00:20:47.760 And the Japanese

00:20:48.360 didn't know

00:20:48.920 how many we had.

00:20:50.380 And in reality,

00:20:51.560 we had about one more

00:20:52.720 that we could have

00:20:53.820 put together

00:20:54.460 really by the end

00:20:55.260 of the month.

00:20:57.060 So the Japanese

00:20:58.020 didn't know

00:20:58.460 how long this was

00:20:59.180 going to go on.

00:21:00.080 And that was critical

00:21:01.000 for convincing

00:21:02.500 the emperor

00:21:03.240 to intervene

00:21:04.060 and break the deadlock.

00:21:05.740 The Japanese cabinet

00:21:07.100 was divided

00:21:08.960 between a pro-war

00:21:10.340 faction and a pro-peace

00:21:13.280 faction,

00:21:14.100 that is,

00:21:14.440 those who wanted

00:21:15.060 to end the war.

00:21:16.900 And the emperor

00:21:18.220 came down

00:21:18.980 on the side

00:21:19.580 of the pro-peace

00:21:20.640 faction,

00:21:22.140 and that broke

00:21:23.400 the deadlock

00:21:24.120 once the emperor

00:21:24.960 conveyed

00:21:25.740 his will.

00:21:28.740 It's very hard

00:21:29.740 for the emperor

00:21:30.480 to do that.

00:21:31.380 And even when

00:21:32.160 the emperor

00:21:32.560 did come down,

00:21:33.720 there was an

00:21:34.240 attempted coup

00:21:35.100 by the Japanese

00:21:36.560 army,

00:21:37.800 a small faction

00:21:39.120 within it,

00:21:39.820 which tried

00:21:40.400 to seize

00:21:41.120 the broadcast

00:21:42.140 recording

00:21:43.280 the night

00:21:44.040 of August 14th

00:21:45.300 and 15th,

00:21:46.380 so that

00:21:47.940 the emperor's

00:21:48.820 peace message,

00:21:50.200 surrender message,

00:21:50.980 could not have

00:21:51.840 been broadcast

00:21:52.720 on August 15th,

00:21:54.180 as in fact

00:21:54.700 it actually was.

00:21:56.400 So the Japanese,

00:21:58.240 of course,

00:21:58.680 would die hard,

00:22:00.280 and so many

00:22:02.020 of them

00:22:02.280 did not want

00:22:03.100 to end

00:22:03.760 the conflict.

00:22:05.760 It took

00:22:06.080 the emperor's

00:22:07.020 intervention,

00:22:07.920 and as you know,

00:22:08.760 Steve,

00:22:09.040 it was for the first

00:22:09.620 time the Japanese

00:22:10.360 people heard

00:22:10.940 the emperor's voice

00:22:11.800 ever,

00:22:13.340 to actually

00:22:14.240 end that

00:22:15.240 conflict.

00:22:16.360 And of course,

00:22:16.900 it was very

00:22:18.300 important that

00:22:19.100 he did end it

00:22:19.800 because it had

00:22:20.480 avoided the deaths

00:22:22.400 of so many

00:22:23.140 Americans

00:22:24.240 and the millions

00:22:26.540 of Japanese

00:22:27.200 who would have

00:22:28.060 died as a

00:22:29.480 consequence of it,

00:22:31.020 as well as,

00:22:31.760 of course,

00:22:32.100 it kept the

00:22:33.020 Soviets out

00:22:33.660 of Japan

00:22:34.240 because the

00:22:34.840 Soviets would

00:22:35.400 have invaded

00:22:35.900 northern Japan

00:22:36.820 had the war

00:22:37.700 gone on,

00:22:38.980 and Japan

00:22:39.620 would have

00:22:40.040 ended up

00:22:40.460 divided into

00:22:41.220 a communist

00:22:41.740 north and

00:22:43.120 a free

00:22:43.620 democratic

00:22:44.740 south as

00:22:45.420 Germany was

00:22:46.140 divided,

00:22:46.760 of course,

00:22:47.140 and then later

00:22:47.660 as Korea

00:22:48.220 was divided

00:22:49.940 between a

00:22:50.420 Soviet faction,

00:22:51.440 a Soviet

00:22:51.940 proxy,

00:22:53.560 and a

00:22:54.260 pro-Western

00:22:54.940 government.

00:22:56.260 So Nagasaki,

00:22:57.360 what we commemorate

00:22:58.340 today,

00:22:58.760 the 80th

00:22:59.180 anniversary of the

00:23:00.820 bombing of

00:23:01.320 Nagasaki was

00:23:02.240 supremely

00:23:02.940 important because

00:23:04.380 it ended a

00:23:05.540 war that was

00:23:06.540 devilishly hard

00:23:07.540 to end,

00:23:08.820 and it opened

00:23:10.180 the door to

00:23:11.240 the nuclear

00:23:12.480 era, of

00:23:13.440 course, the

00:23:13.840 era in which

00:23:14.540 we live today.

00:23:16.240 Yeah.

00:23:17.400 The reason I

00:23:18.560 wanted to

00:23:18.860 intercut it,

00:23:19.440 and my team

00:23:19.780 did a great,

00:23:20.400 the team did a

00:23:21.060 great job,

00:23:21.740 was that there

00:23:23.720 were still the

00:23:24.220 Bushido samurai

00:23:25.480 faction that did

00:23:27.280 not want to

00:23:27.720 surrender.

00:23:28.160 Remember,

00:23:28.920 we were fresh

00:23:30.040 out of nuclear

00:23:30.660 weapons.

00:23:31.380 I think we

00:23:31.840 only had two

00:23:32.400 that were

00:23:32.640 operational,

00:23:34.180 and still

00:23:34.920 they got hit.

00:23:36.980 There's also

00:23:37.600 another big

00:23:38.000 bombing to

00:23:38.380 place,

00:23:38.720 but they

00:23:38.960 had been

00:23:39.260 firebombed

00:23:40.160 by Curtis

00:23:41.540 LeMay

00:23:41.940 brutally to

00:23:43.380 try to break

00:23:43.880 their industrial

00:23:44.420 capability in

00:23:45.980 the spring.

00:23:46.720 I think

00:23:46.960 March,

00:23:48.000 the middle

00:23:48.420 of March,

00:23:48.800 is one of

00:23:49.080 the worst

00:23:49.320 firebombings

00:23:49.980 of the world

00:23:50.560 in the history

00:23:52.040 of the war,

00:23:53.120 and still

00:23:54.160 they would

00:23:54.540 not surrender.

00:23:55.340 They got hit

00:23:55.820 with two

00:23:56.300 nuclear weapons,

00:23:58.040 and yet

00:23:58.420 there was

00:23:58.740 still a

00:23:59.240 significant

00:23:59.760 faction of

00:24:01.320 the high

00:24:01.760 command and

00:24:02.380 the Japanese

00:24:02.920 army that

00:24:03.480 just wouldn't

00:24:03.900 put it down.

00:24:04.540 My point is

00:24:05.060 these wars

00:24:06.140 are so hard

00:24:07.000 to stop.

00:24:08.480 This is about

00:24:09.160 the heroic

00:24:09.660 effort of

00:24:10.580 President Trump.

00:24:12.340 Remember,

00:24:12.900 in Ukraine

00:24:13.280 right now,

00:24:13.780 there have

00:24:13.920 been two

00:24:14.320 million casualties.

00:24:16.160 That never

00:24:16.820 really gets

00:24:17.240 brought up

00:24:17.840 that much.

00:24:18.800 President Trump

00:24:19.200 says all the

00:24:19.740 time,

00:24:20.040 the Ukrainian

00:24:20.500 actually,

00:24:21.080 Zelensky's

00:24:21.560 people play

00:24:22.500 down the

00:24:23.820 number of

00:24:24.220 deaths of

00:24:24.640 civilians.

00:24:25.820 Putin and

00:24:29.120 the KGB

00:24:29.720 never want

00:24:31.220 to let

00:24:31.460 the real

00:24:31.760 facts out

00:24:32.300 of how

00:24:33.100 the Red

00:24:33.700 Army or

00:24:34.100 how the

00:24:34.360 Russian

00:24:34.600 army has

00:24:35.000 been so,

00:24:36.460 I don't

00:24:36.740 want to say

00:24:36.940 inept because

00:24:37.420 they're kind

00:24:37.780 of fighting

00:24:38.080 the way

00:24:38.400 the Russians

00:24:38.840 do,

00:24:39.300 but the

00:24:39.600 casualty

00:24:40.120 rates of

00:24:40.660 the Russians,

00:24:41.500 a huge

00:24:41.740 President Trump

00:24:42.240 I think said

00:24:42.680 last week

00:24:43.200 or two weeks

00:24:43.640 ago,

00:24:43.800 it was like

00:24:44.020 20,000

00:24:44.740 over the

00:24:45.720 last couple

00:24:46.180 of weeks.

00:24:46.900 This war

00:24:47.560 in Ukraine

00:24:48.240 is as brutal

00:24:49.780 as anything

00:24:50.240 was fought

00:24:50.620 in the

00:24:50.820 20th century.

00:24:51.660 And what's

00:24:51.980 happening in

00:24:52.480 Gaza is as

00:24:53.200 brutal as

00:24:53.560 anything happened

00:24:54.100 in the

00:24:54.320 20th century.

00:24:54.880 Look at

00:24:55.820 I put up

00:24:56.520 some drone

00:24:57.200 footage the

00:24:57.660 other day

00:24:58.060 from,

00:25:00.500 I think

00:25:01.500 it had it

00:25:01.860 up on the

00:25:02.160 Guardian,

00:25:02.560 but drone

00:25:02.860 footage,

00:25:03.400 and it

00:25:03.620 looks like

00:25:04.060 Dresden

00:25:04.500 in 1945.

00:25:06.340 And Hamas

00:25:06.820 and the

00:25:07.060 Muslim

00:25:07.320 Brotherhood,

00:25:08.140 look,

00:25:08.900 that military

00:25:09.560 capability has

00:25:10.380 got to be

00:25:10.780 taken out,

00:25:11.760 but it's

00:25:12.760 going to be

00:25:13.040 very,

00:25:13.360 very difficult,

00:25:13.980 particularly

00:25:14.280 as you've

00:25:14.840 kind of

00:25:15.700 waited this

00:25:16.120 long to do

00:25:16.560 it,

00:25:16.680 and they

00:25:16.820 had kind

00:25:17.260 of fits

00:25:17.620 and starts,

00:25:18.260 et cetera.

00:25:18.780 So his

00:25:20.320 efforts here

00:25:21.140 in peace

00:25:22.640 are a long

00:25:23.420 way from

00:25:23.840 getting done,

00:25:24.780 right?

00:25:25.020 And the

00:25:25.340 key is

00:25:25.740 for America

00:25:26.300 first is

00:25:26.860 to make

00:25:27.140 sure that

00:25:27.480 we don't

00:25:27.820 get drawn

00:25:28.340 in inexorably

00:25:29.800 into these

00:25:30.240 wars.

00:25:30.580 Cleo Pascal,

00:25:32.060 once again,

00:25:33.260 the part of

00:25:34.020 the world

00:25:34.300 that you're

00:25:34.640 an expert

00:25:35.060 in is

00:25:36.100 front and

00:25:36.500 center on

00:25:36.900 the 80th

00:25:37.400 commemoration

00:25:38.020 because it

00:25:38.820 once again

00:25:39.540 reinforces the

00:25:40.620 importance of

00:25:42.120 the Western

00:25:42.580 Pacific to the

00:25:43.600 strategic interest

00:25:44.760 of the United

00:25:45.300 States of

00:25:45.700 America.

00:25:46.500 One of the

00:25:46.900 reasons,

00:25:47.300 principally because

00:25:48.060 it's United

00:25:48.840 States territory,

00:25:50.140 right?

00:25:50.520 People have to

00:25:51.640 understand we're

00:25:52.580 not going

00:25:53.060 overseas to

00:25:53.820 do this.

00:25:54.280 This is part

00:25:55.000 of the United

00:25:55.480 States of

00:25:55.920 America,

00:25:56.500 ma'am.

00:25:57.660 Yes,

00:25:58.160 well,

00:25:58.560 Boxcar,

00:25:59.260 which took

00:25:59.900 off to

00:26:00.780 bomb Nagasaki,

00:26:02.660 in fact,

00:26:02.920 I think it

00:26:03.180 was a

00:26:03.400 secondary target

00:26:04.160 because the

00:26:04.640 first one was

00:26:05.020 covered by

00:26:05.400 clouds,

00:26:06.100 took off from

00:26:06.640 Tinian,

00:26:07.440 which is in

00:26:08.060 the Commonwealth

00:26:08.560 of Northern

00:26:08.940 Marianas,

00:26:09.520 which is now

00:26:10.320 in the United

00:26:11.200 States.

00:26:12.080 And it was

00:26:12.540 really very much

00:26:13.240 this geography

00:26:13.940 that allowed

00:26:14.900 the U.S.

00:26:15.620 to be in a

00:26:16.120 position to end

00:26:18.920 the war.

00:26:19.900 And Alaska

00:26:20.640 is a part of

00:26:21.500 that.

00:26:21.880 Billy Mitchell

00:26:22.480 was talking

00:26:24.080 about this

00:26:24.760 well before

00:26:26.160 the war in

00:26:26.760 the 30s about

00:26:27.460 how Alaska

00:26:28.460 was pivotal

00:26:29.200 to what we

00:26:29.840 would now

00:26:30.180 call hemispheric

00:26:31.160 defence.

00:26:31.780 It is part

00:26:32.480 of the Pacific.

00:26:33.840 So that

00:26:34.180 whole hemispheric

00:26:35.460 defence concept

00:26:36.360 is very much

00:26:38.160 embedded in

00:26:39.360 a strategic

00:26:40.160 understanding

00:26:40.960 for over

00:26:42.000 100 years

00:26:42.800 of how the

00:26:43.520 U.S.

00:26:43.860 can be safe.

00:26:45.680 And an

00:26:46.200 interesting thing

00:26:47.140 to me

00:26:48.040 is what

00:26:49.100 happens next

00:26:50.020 about the

00:26:50.600 American way

00:26:51.240 of winning.

00:26:52.220 What happens

00:26:52.900 when you win?

00:26:53.540 And this was

00:26:53.920 something that

00:26:54.300 was put in

00:26:54.760 place with

00:26:55.220 the Atlantic

00:26:55.700 Charter before

00:26:56.700 the U.S.

00:26:57.240 even entered

00:26:57.780 the war.

00:26:58.300 Because the

00:26:58.680 question is

00:26:59.040 what are you

00:26:59.440 fighting for?

00:27:00.840 All these

00:27:01.520 people are

00:27:02.540 going to die.

00:27:03.400 The families

00:27:03.860 are going to

00:27:04.080 be destroyed.

00:27:04.960 Economies

00:27:05.400 are going to

00:27:05.700 be ravaged.

00:27:07.140 What for?

00:27:08.720 And the

00:27:09.880 U.S.

00:27:10.900 and the

00:27:13.000 British put

00:27:14.060 together this

00:27:14.500 Atlantic Charter

00:27:15.180 to say what

00:27:15.760 they were going

00:27:16.360 to fight for.

00:27:18.040 And fundamentally

00:27:19.220 at least in

00:27:19.800 the Pacific

00:27:20.220 it is this

00:27:21.040 free and

00:27:21.440 Indo-Pacific

00:27:22.360 concept that

00:27:23.580 we're now

00:27:23.960 trying to

00:27:24.720 maintain again.

00:27:26.780 So how do

00:27:28.900 we prioritize

00:27:30.660 what to fight

00:27:31.940 for?

00:27:32.640 How do we

00:27:33.000 make it

00:27:33.320 explicit?

00:27:34.000 I think we

00:27:34.400 need to do

00:27:34.800 it again.

00:27:35.680 So we know

00:27:36.280 where we're

00:27:36.720 trying to

00:27:37.260 head.

00:27:37.940 So if we

00:27:39.040 do have

00:27:40.320 to fight

00:27:40.780 we know

00:27:42.100 where the

00:27:42.480 limits are

00:27:43.160 and what

00:27:43.660 the goals

00:27:44.100 are and

00:27:45.340 you don't

00:27:45.800 end up in

00:27:46.280 this sort

00:27:47.080 of endless

00:27:47.620 war that

00:27:48.460 we're seeing

00:27:49.360 again.

00:27:51.820 Cleo, can

00:27:52.500 you hang

00:27:52.760 on?

00:27:53.260 Dr. Thayer,

00:27:54.280 Tom Dance

00:27:54.860 is going to

00:27:55.220 join us.

00:27:55.660 We've got Dave

00:27:56.100 Bratt on a

00:27:56.740 Saturday morning.

00:27:58.160 Wars and the

00:27:58.940 rumors of war

00:27:59.660 in the 80th

00:28:00.340 commemoration of

00:28:01.840 the bombing of

00:28:02.380 Nagasaki.

00:28:03.340 Back in a

00:28:03.860 moment.

00:28:04.020 What if he

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00:29:22.540 Here's your host,

00:29:23.860 Stephen K.

00:29:24.600 Band.

00:29:28.780 Dave,

00:29:29.300 Brad,

00:29:29.580 can you pick up

00:29:30.280 on clear

00:29:30.680 Pascal's

00:29:31.780 brilliance

00:29:32.540 right there

00:29:33.160 about the

00:29:33.500 American way

00:29:33.960 of winning,

00:29:34.240 about ending

00:29:34.640 wars,

00:29:35.020 because this

00:29:35.360 is what we're

00:29:35.700 talking about

00:29:36.120 here,

00:29:36.360 folks.

00:29:36.680 Let me be

00:29:37.040 blunt.

00:29:39.020 America first

00:29:39.960 is about taking

00:29:40.940 care of business

00:29:41.700 here,

00:29:42.340 but we're not

00:29:43.480 isolationist.

00:29:45.160 The first thing

00:29:45.900 we have to do

00:29:46.500 is extract

00:29:47.180 ourselves from

00:29:47.900 these bloody

00:29:48.380 conflicts in the

00:29:49.200 Middle East

00:29:49.840 and in Eastern

00:29:50.940 Europe that are

00:29:51.560 not in the

00:29:52.220 vital national

00:29:53.000 security interests

00:29:53.860 of the United

00:29:54.240 States.

00:29:54.600 I'm just

00:29:54.900 sorry,

00:29:55.220 they're not.

00:29:56.720 So we have

00:29:57.360 to do that

00:29:57.940 and we have

00:29:59.480 to focus on

00:30:00.120 hemispheric

00:30:00.560 defense and

00:30:02.320 we have to

00:30:02.800 prioritize as

00:30:03.680 adults,

00:30:04.520 particularly

00:30:05.820 against the

00:30:06.360 existential threat

00:30:07.180 we have,

00:30:07.660 which is the

00:30:07.960 Chinese Communist

00:30:08.560 Party.

00:30:09.100 Dave Bratt,

00:30:09.600 your thoughts?

00:30:12.120 Yeah,

00:30:12.640 well,

00:30:12.920 thank God

00:30:13.460 for experts

00:30:14.720 like Bradley

00:30:15.660 and Cleo.

00:30:16.440 They're right

00:30:17.140 on the money.

00:30:17.860 I'll just

00:30:18.140 connect a couple

00:30:18.820 dots.

00:30:19.420 Starting up,

00:30:20.880 Bradley,

00:30:21.260 the Japan

00:30:22.260 establishment,

00:30:23.420 beware of

00:30:23.880 the establishment

00:30:24.640 versus the

00:30:25.540 wisdom of

00:30:26.160 the emperor,

00:30:26.900 right?

00:30:27.940 Who's chosen

00:30:28.900 probably has

00:30:29.440 more historical

00:30:30.180 awareness and

00:30:32.280 the establishment

00:30:32.880 always wants

00:30:33.640 war.

00:30:34.480 That brings

00:30:35.100 us to

00:30:35.660 Zelensky and

00:30:37.300 that choice,

00:30:38.300 the choice,

00:30:38.620 there's no

00:30:39.140 choice for

00:30:39.660 peace anymore,

00:30:40.480 right?

00:30:40.760 The establishment

00:30:42.100 news media in

00:30:43.280 this country

00:30:43.820 never shows you

00:30:44.980 the exact choice.

00:30:45.820 He had a choice

00:30:46.300 a year or two

00:30:47.060 back maybe for

00:30:48.540 giving up a

00:30:51.160 bit of the

00:30:51.540 south and

00:30:52.020 maybe a

00:30:52.400 couple of

00:30:52.840 the Blesk

00:30:53.620 regions,

00:30:54.880 small territories.

00:30:56.320 Now,

00:30:57.040 the deal for

00:30:57.800 Zelensky is

00:30:58.860 Kiev or

00:30:59.600 no Kiev,

00:31:01.000 right?

00:31:01.280 It's not a

00:31:01.820 peace deal.

00:31:02.400 It's the

00:31:02.680 survival of

00:31:03.360 Ukraine.

00:31:04.520 And the

00:31:04.980 idea that

00:31:05.440 this unelected

00:31:07.200 person gets

00:31:07.900 to choose

00:31:08.360 is way off

00:31:09.340 base.

00:31:10.300 And then

00:31:10.720 finally,

00:31:11.220 our U.S.

00:31:12.060 establishment

00:31:12.480 to bring us

00:31:13.120 up to the

00:31:13.740 modern day,

00:31:14.960 what happens

00:31:15.600 when the dog

00:31:16.200 catches the

00:31:16.820 car?

00:31:17.780 Okay,

00:31:18.020 so our

00:31:18.300 establishment

00:31:18.680 actually wants

00:31:19.280 to go to

00:31:19.580 war against

00:31:20.040 Russia.

00:31:20.560 We're shooting

00:31:20.880 missiles 500

00:31:21.820 miles in.

00:31:23.180 What's the

00:31:23.920 plan?

00:31:24.920 Our

00:31:25.280 establishment

00:31:25.740 elitists in

00:31:26.840 the news don't

00:31:27.440 tell us that.

00:31:27.980 What's the

00:31:28.220 choice there?

00:31:28.680 What are we

00:31:29.000 going to do?

00:31:29.340 Take Russia

00:31:29.840 and break it

00:31:30.280 up into five

00:31:30.800 pieces?

00:31:31.580 And then

00:31:31.940 what?

00:31:32.240 How's that

00:31:32.640 go?

00:31:33.460 Talk about

00:31:34.080 the war of

00:31:34.660 obliteration.

00:31:36.040 And so that

00:31:36.420 ties into

00:31:37.060 Alaska.

00:31:37.780 If we do a

00:31:38.280 rapprochement

00:31:38.940 with Russia,

00:31:40.600 which would be

00:31:41.340 a very

00:31:41.800 intelligent thing

00:31:42.740 to do,

00:31:43.740 then the

00:31:44.320 Alaska piece

00:31:45.320 probably fades

00:31:46.160 off into some

00:31:46.940 deal.

00:31:47.380 That's their

00:31:48.140 key interest if

00:31:48.900 they want to

00:31:49.180 go head-to-head

00:31:49.580 with us.

00:31:50.160 And we're

00:31:51.220 still abstracting

00:31:52.100 from China.

00:31:53.260 But yes,

00:31:53.820 President Trump

00:31:54.700 should not be

00:31:55.320 led by the

00:31:55.780 CIA and the

00:31:56.620 establishment who

00:31:57.260 are out to get

00:31:57.820 him, who are

00:31:58.860 out to get

00:31:59.340 you.

00:32:00.260 He knows all

00:32:01.140 this now, but

00:32:01.720 he's got a ton

00:32:02.700 of powerful

00:32:03.140 people pushing

00:32:03.920 him.

00:32:04.220 And everybody

00:32:05.140 pushed, right?

00:32:06.040 They pushed us

00:32:07.300 to lie on the

00:32:08.240 NATO expansion

00:32:08.960 back in 91.

00:32:10.140 17 countries

00:32:11.380 later, we're at

00:32:12.740 the end of the

00:32:13.360 line with Ukraine.

00:32:14.920 And Trump does

00:32:15.720 not want to go

00:32:16.520 there.

00:32:16.760 So, expert

00:32:18.020 commentary from

00:32:19.320 the experts.

00:32:23.400 Let's bring in

00:32:24.100 Tom Dans.

00:32:24.720 I want to talk

00:32:25.100 about Alaska.

00:32:26.560 In fact, you

00:32:27.100 mentioned what

00:32:27.680 Cleo just said a

00:32:28.440 moment ago about

00:32:29.060 the Billy Mitchell

00:32:29.860 comment strategic.

00:32:31.800 I think the

00:32:32.220 governor of

00:32:32.640 Alaska picked

00:32:33.740 up your

00:32:34.100 comment and

00:32:34.900 put it up on

00:32:35.840 Twitter today.

00:32:36.960 Alaska is

00:32:37.620 central to

00:32:38.240 hemispheric

00:32:38.720 defense.

00:32:39.560 And folks,

00:32:40.760 you know, and

00:32:41.300 you had John

00:32:41.960 Bolton on last

00:32:43.040 night.

00:32:43.360 You had Biden's

00:32:46.280 former national

00:32:47.280 security advisors

00:32:48.320 on TV nonstop

00:32:49.720 saying, oh, this

00:32:51.220 is a huge defeat

00:32:52.080 for Trump to

00:32:52.840 have Putin come

00:32:54.140 to Alaska.

00:32:54.800 What are you

00:32:55.520 talking about?

00:32:56.160 It's absolutely

00:32:56.680 brilliant.

00:32:57.540 People should

00:32:57.980 understand two

00:32:58.480 things that Trump

00:32:59.060 has done that is

00:33:00.080 absolutely brilliant.

00:33:00.920 Number one, he

00:33:02.520 has chosen

00:33:04.320 Alaska, right, as

00:33:06.240 the place that

00:33:06.760 they will sit

00:33:07.200 down.

00:33:07.460 Number two, it's

00:33:08.900 on the 15th of

00:33:09.740 August.

00:33:10.360 Hmm.

00:33:10.900 Now, what is

00:33:11.420 that?

00:33:11.760 Oh, yeah.

00:33:12.200 That's the

00:33:13.240 80th anniversary

00:33:14.120 commemoration of

00:33:16.240 the of Japan

00:33:17.820 surrendering, not

00:33:19.300 the formal

00:33:19.740 document that

00:33:20.460 didn't take

00:33:20.920 place until

00:33:21.420 early September.

00:33:22.520 But Japan, the

00:33:23.540 emperor addressing

00:33:24.420 his nation and

00:33:25.740 saying it's over

00:33:26.520 was on the 15th

00:33:27.400 of September or

00:33:28.580 15th of August.

00:33:29.420 And that's why

00:33:29.880 it's very symbolic

00:33:30.680 what President

00:33:31.200 Trump's doing.

00:33:31.860 Tom Dans,

00:33:33.080 Alaska, you've

00:33:34.140 been central to

00:33:35.720 get the American

00:33:36.880 public through the

00:33:37.680 war room up to

00:33:38.560 speed on this.

00:33:39.100 Why is it so

00:33:39.600 brilliant to

00:33:40.640 actually have this

00:33:41.320 meeting between

00:33:41.820 Putin and

00:33:42.740 President Trump

00:33:44.440 in Alaska?

00:33:46.260 Well, Steve,

00:33:47.300 thanks.

00:33:47.940 And it's

00:33:48.280 brilliant.

00:33:49.160 And as your

00:33:50.100 cold open

00:33:50.940 well showed,

00:33:53.120 it's terrifying

00:33:53.840 to a lot of

00:33:54.420 people who are

00:33:55.140 highly invested

00:33:56.100 in Russia and

00:33:57.400 America being

00:33:58.620 foes and

00:33:59.180 adversaries.

00:34:00.460 It's because

00:34:01.040 really this is

00:34:01.720 where the U.S.

00:34:02.360 and Russia

00:34:02.720 come together

00:34:03.480 and our

00:34:03.920 history.

00:34:04.980 And both

00:34:05.400 President Trump

00:34:06.620 and President

00:34:07.540 Putin are keen

00:34:08.480 students of

00:34:09.240 history.

00:34:09.660 and they

00:34:10.360 get the

00:34:10.820 significance of

00:34:11.800 it.

00:34:11.940 And both

00:34:13.460 countries have a

00:34:14.520 lot in common

00:34:15.500 and we're not

00:34:16.180 ever allowed to

00:34:17.000 say this.

00:34:17.520 We can't say

00:34:18.040 Russia and

00:34:19.160 the U.S.

00:34:19.600 in a sense

00:34:20.280 are both

00:34:21.120 pioneer countries.

00:34:22.160 Russia moved

00:34:22.760 eastward, the U.S.

00:34:23.920 moved westward.

00:34:25.000 Alaska is where

00:34:25.700 they met.

00:34:26.660 And remember

00:34:27.260 the context.

00:34:28.060 People have all

00:34:28.680 heard about

00:34:29.160 Seward's

00:34:29.640 Fall.

00:34:29.840 Let's go back

00:34:30.640 in the history

00:34:31.200 here.

00:34:31.520 We're talking

00:34:31.960 about the

00:34:32.940 purchase of

00:34:33.540 Alaska in

00:34:34.080 1867.

00:34:36.080 This was

00:34:36.840 started that

00:34:37.860 grew out of

00:34:38.560 Russia's

00:34:40.020 problems coming

00:34:41.260 out of losing

00:34:42.100 the Crimean

00:34:43.000 War.

00:34:43.480 So they

00:34:43.800 had some

00:34:45.700 financial

00:34:46.220 difficulties after

00:34:47.340 losing the war

00:34:48.040 against England.

00:34:49.340 So all these

00:34:50.020 things kind of

00:34:50.640 go back in

00:34:51.360 time.

00:34:52.480 At that point

00:34:53.280 in time,

00:34:53.620 they had

00:34:53.840 Alexander II.

00:34:55.180 The war room

00:34:55.680 posse is well

00:34:56.620 familiar with

00:34:58.320 your admonitions

00:34:59.520 about becoming

00:35:00.640 Russian serfs.

00:35:02.300 Well, guess

00:35:02.640 what happened?

00:35:04.400 Americans all

00:35:05.260 know about the

00:35:05.820 Emancipation

00:35:06.540 Proclamation of

00:35:07.460 1862.

00:35:09.060 What they don't

00:35:09.780 know is the

00:35:11.280 Emancipation

00:35:12.600 Law of

00:35:13.520 1861 was

00:35:15.080 in Russia

00:35:15.780 when they

00:35:16.480 freed the

00:35:17.060 serfs,

00:35:17.580 Alexander II.

00:35:19.100 Guess what

00:35:19.580 happened to

00:35:20.340 Lincoln?

00:35:21.460 He got killed.

00:35:22.140 Guess what

00:35:22.480 happened to

00:35:23.040 Alexander II?

00:35:24.560 He got killed.

00:35:25.940 Right?

00:35:26.260 So this is the

00:35:27.020 same kind of

00:35:27.740 dialectic that

00:35:28.560 you've seen

00:35:29.080 throughout

00:35:29.460 history.

00:35:30.560 And our

00:35:30.980 nations came

00:35:31.720 together and

00:35:32.940 made a trade

00:35:33.800 there, and it

00:35:34.660 worked for both

00:35:35.380 sides.

00:35:36.640 And, you

00:35:37.100 know, there's

00:35:39.060 some history

00:35:40.640 there that

00:35:41.400 continued in

00:35:42.220 terms of, like,

00:35:42.780 where we meet

00:35:43.420 today is we're

00:35:44.220 competing, but

00:35:45.620 we're at our

00:35:46.120 best when we

00:35:46.800 are competing

00:35:47.580 and cooperating.

00:35:48.800 Yeah.

00:35:49.660 Interesting.

00:35:50.940 Dare I say

00:35:51.800 it?

00:35:52.860 Two Christian

00:35:53.460 nations that

00:35:54.020 would come

00:35:54.340 together, they

00:35:55.080 absolutely hate

00:35:55.980 it.

00:35:56.600 The elites in

00:35:57.100 this country

00:35:57.520 hate it.

00:35:57.920 The elites in

00:35:58.380 Europe hate

00:35:58.900 it, absolutely

00:35:59.500 hate it, despise

00:36:00.400 it.

00:36:00.820 They want

00:36:01.500 us at war

00:36:02.100 with each

00:36:02.440 other and

00:36:03.280 not focused

00:36:03.960 on our

00:36:04.680 common enemy,

00:36:05.580 the Chinese

00:36:05.960 Communist Party

00:36:06.760 in Beijing and

00:36:08.520 the strategic

00:36:09.100 centrality of

00:36:10.220 Alaska in

00:36:11.280 hemispheric

00:36:11.700 defense.

00:36:12.320 It's quite

00:36:12.800 breathtakingly

00:36:14.580 brilliant of

00:36:15.300 President Trump

00:36:15.820 and also to

00:36:16.660 put it on

00:36:17.680 15 August,

00:36:18.900 on the 80th

00:36:19.500 commemoration of

00:36:20.940 the emperor,

00:36:21.520 saying it was

00:36:22.020 over in the

00:36:23.000 Pacific War.

00:36:24.120 Dr.

00:36:26.340 Thayer, any

00:36:26.800 closing thoughts

00:36:27.480 on this?

00:36:28.880 You've done

00:36:29.460 such a great

00:36:29.960 job of putting

00:36:30.840 this together

00:36:31.400 for us and

00:36:32.000 reminding us

00:36:32.760 important.

00:36:33.080 We're going to

00:36:33.340 have you on

00:36:34.080 as we do

00:36:34.980 the run-up to

00:36:36.060 the 15 August

00:36:36.880 summit with

00:36:38.120 Putin because

00:36:38.820 we're going to

00:36:39.140 remind people of

00:36:40.040 how this is

00:36:40.580 all inextricably

00:36:41.520 linked because

00:36:42.900 the two great

00:36:44.240 allies of

00:36:44.920 World War II,

00:36:45.300 yes, Britain

00:36:45.780 was our

00:36:46.560 allies, absolutely

00:36:47.280 no doubt

00:36:47.700 about that,

00:36:48.740 but the blood

00:36:49.900 that the Russian

00:36:50.480 army, the Red

00:36:51.140 Army, shed is

00:36:51.960 what drained the

00:36:53.340 Wehrmacht of

00:36:54.540 their power to

00:36:55.780 really defend the

00:36:56.600 West and allowed

00:36:57.280 us to get to

00:36:58.160 unfortunately not

00:36:59.520 take Berlin for

00:37:00.540 all kinds of

00:37:01.040 political reasons,

00:37:02.020 but to drive

00:37:02.920 across Western

00:37:04.060 Europe and

00:37:05.000 actually be part

00:37:06.540 of the taking

00:37:07.300 down of the

00:37:08.240 Nazis and

00:37:09.180 Adolf Hitler,

00:37:10.100 sir.

00:37:11.600 Well, Steve,

00:37:12.880 Alaska is a

00:37:13.680 genius from the

00:37:14.380 standpoint of

00:37:14.880 political warfare

00:37:15.620 targeted against

00:37:16.580 the Chinese

00:37:17.180 Communist Party

00:37:18.160 for the reasons

00:37:19.860 that you

00:37:21.260 mentioned, of

00:37:22.520 course, but it

00:37:23.240 also is

00:37:24.920 in August

00:37:26.960 15th as

00:37:28.480 well, the

00:37:28.920 end of the

00:37:30.620 Japanese

00:37:31.080 announcement

00:37:31.520 that they'd

00:37:32.540 accept the

00:37:33.080 Potsdam

00:37:33.500 declaration and

00:37:34.400 surrender, but

00:37:35.940 it shows that

00:37:37.700 the door is

00:37:38.220 now open to a

00:37:39.140 great improvement

00:37:39.860 in the

00:37:40.260 relationship

00:37:40.800 between Russia

00:37:42.560 and the

00:37:42.860 United States

00:37:43.740 against the

00:37:44.500 CCP.

00:37:45.780 So we're

00:37:46.520 going to end

00:37:46.900 one war, a

00:37:47.960 war that

00:37:48.320 really never

00:37:48.880 should have

00:37:49.220 started, the

00:37:51.060 war between

00:37:51.600 Russia and

00:37:52.920 Ukraine, and

00:37:53.460 wouldn't if

00:37:53.920 Trump had

00:37:54.400 been in

00:37:55.260 office.

00:37:56.480 And what

00:37:56.860 we're going

00:37:57.180 to be doing

00:37:57.640 now is

00:37:58.140 moving forward

00:37:59.020 to a great

00:38:00.680 improvement, an

00:38:02.260 entente in the

00:38:03.080 relationship between

00:38:04.120 Russia and the

00:38:04.940 United States

00:38:05.900 directed against

00:38:07.600 the CCP.

00:38:08.780 CCP.

00:38:09.520 So very

00:38:10.040 important.

00:38:10.680 It's just

00:38:11.000 genius from the

00:38:11.860 standpoint of

00:38:12.500 political warfare

00:38:13.260 in terms of

00:38:14.220 the location

00:38:14.920 and in terms

00:38:16.720 of the

00:38:17.800 illumination of

00:38:18.680 the next

00:38:19.080 steps to

00:38:21.040 be taken in

00:38:22.360 the fight

00:38:22.740 against the

00:38:24.060 CCP.

00:38:24.900 So it's

00:38:25.220 absolute genius.

00:38:28.620 Cleo Pascal,

00:38:30.160 you've done such

00:38:31.200 a great job being

00:38:32.000 out there in that

00:38:32.720 part of the

00:38:33.060 Western Pacific.

00:38:33.860 Now something so

00:38:34.920 monumental is going

00:38:35.740 to happen on the

00:38:37.380 Pacific Rim and

00:38:38.380 really reinforce

00:38:39.340 the fact that

00:38:40.940 hemispheric

00:38:41.660 defense is

00:38:43.100 centered on the

00:38:43.760 Pacific.

00:38:44.520 Your closing

00:38:45.260 thoughts, ma'am?

00:38:47.420 As with the

00:38:48.300 Atlantic Charter

00:38:49.260 at the beginning

00:38:50.400 of the last war,

00:38:51.460 it might be

00:38:52.140 beneficial to

00:38:53.020 start thinking

00:38:53.680 about an

00:38:54.200 Indo-Pacific

00:38:54.840 Charter based

00:38:56.480 on what we

00:38:57.360 actually want to

00:38:58.000 see in the

00:38:58.420 Pacific and which

00:38:59.180 allies are ready

00:39:00.000 to sign on to it.

00:39:00.820 This is something

00:39:01.360 that Congress has

00:39:02.100 been looking at

00:39:02.920 actually for

00:39:03.860 decades.

00:39:05.140 Ben Gilman

00:39:05.620 was appropriated

00:39:07.360 money for it.

00:39:08.800 Congresswoman

00:39:09.320 Radwagon from

00:39:10.140 American Samoa

00:39:10.880 has been talking

00:39:11.440 about it recently.

00:39:12.340 This has been

00:39:12.720 bubbling around.

00:39:13.780 But basically to

00:39:14.780 say what is it we

00:39:16.640 would be willing to

00:39:17.480 fight for this time

00:39:18.940 in terms of this

00:39:21.400 hemispheric defense,

00:39:22.700 what it means to

00:39:23.420 us, what allies are

00:39:26.220 on side, how can we

00:39:27.920 help them to fight

00:39:29.020 to defend themselves

00:39:30.040 and ultimately to

00:39:31.180 defend the things

00:39:32.140 that we believe in

00:39:33.040 and we're willing to

00:39:34.500 die for and are

00:39:35.360 willing to die for

00:39:36.140 again.

00:39:36.480 That has to be

00:39:37.440 very clear, not

00:39:38.700 some fuzzy concept

00:39:40.220 or insecurities

00:39:43.580 or cascade that's

00:39:46.060 out of control.

00:39:47.420 Let's try to make

00:39:48.200 it explicit.

00:39:48.960 Let's talk about

00:39:49.660 it and figure out

00:39:51.020 what it is that

00:39:52.880 is framing the

00:39:54.820 hemispheric defense

00:39:55.980 to make it so

00:39:56.940 important that we're

00:40:00.520 willing once again

00:40:01.540 to go right up to

00:40:03.120 that line in order

00:40:04.000 to be able to

00:40:04.580 defend it.

00:40:05.080 Cleo Pascal, what

00:40:08.500 is your social

00:40:09.060 media?

00:40:09.620 People want to

00:40:10.160 follow you, so

00:40:10.800 where do they go,

00:40:11.340 ma'am, for your

00:40:11.800 writings, commentary,

00:40:13.340 observations, all of

00:40:14.300 it?

00:40:15.860 I'm on X, just my

00:40:17.140 name, Cleo Pascal,

00:40:18.080 C-L-E-O-P-A-S-K-A-L.

00:40:20.200 And again, because

00:40:21.620 somebody took my

00:40:22.780 name on Getter, I'm

00:40:24.700 just real Cleo.

00:40:26.720 And you can find me

00:40:28.060 in both places.

00:40:28.740 Thank you, ma'am,

00:40:31.780 your travels.

00:40:32.420 We want to follow

00:40:32.820 Cleo's travels.

00:40:35.300 Go to Getter and go

00:40:37.300 to Twitter.

00:40:40.460 Dr. Bradley Thayer,

00:40:41.760 where do people get

00:40:42.520 you?

00:40:42.740 You're putting up

00:40:43.180 great stuff every

00:40:43.860 day, including notes

00:40:44.820 of the Third World

00:40:46.280 War, because we're in

00:40:47.460 the kinetic part of the

00:40:48.320 Third World War, which

00:40:49.240 President Trump is

00:40:51.080 trying to end Ms.

00:40:53.520 Wagner and Ms.

00:40:54.680 Tett over at the

00:40:56.000 Financial Times at

00:40:56.880 MSNBC.

00:40:57.620 Where do they go,

00:40:58.440 sir?

00:41:00.100 Steve, Brad Thayer

00:41:00.920 on X and Bradley

00:41:01.720 Thayer at Truth and

00:41:03.700 on Getter.

00:41:04.800 Thanks very much, Steve,

00:41:05.740 for calling attention

00:41:06.520 to this.

00:41:07.780 Nagasaki is so

00:41:08.680 important, and it

00:41:10.820 reverberates, of

00:41:11.740 course, with the

00:41:12.700 strategic problems and

00:41:13.960 concerns and issues

00:41:16.500 that we have today.

00:41:17.760 Thanks.

00:41:19.780 It's important, folks,

00:41:21.500 because I understand

00:41:22.100 you can get firebombed

00:41:23.720 and then hit with two

00:41:25.120 tactical nuclear

00:41:26.520 weapons.

00:41:27.620 And still not be

00:41:28.900 ready to surrender.

00:41:30.460 This is a lesson for

00:41:32.120 the modern world,

00:41:32.880 particularly what's

00:41:33.480 happening in these two

00:41:34.340 in the Gaza and what's

00:41:36.040 happening in the in

00:41:37.820 Ukraine.

00:41:38.800 And President Trump

00:41:39.940 gets that.

00:41:40.600 So thank you so much,

00:41:41.440 Dr.

00:41:41.680 Thayer.

00:41:41.840 Look forward to seeing

00:41:42.420 both you guys next

00:41:43.220 week as we do the

00:41:44.000 run up.

00:41:44.440 Cleo and Dr.

00:41:45.780 Thayer will be with us

00:41:46.420 as we do the run up to

00:41:47.360 the summit on the 15th.

00:41:48.860 I want to thank you

00:41:49.400 guys.

00:41:50.700 Tom Dans, you just got

00:41:51.820 back from Alaska.

00:41:52.640 You'll be part of this

00:41:53.540 coverage, too, because

00:41:55.120 you understand the

00:41:55.980 importance of it, the

00:41:56.900 importance of the

00:41:57.440 Arctic, the importance

00:41:58.320 of the centrality of

00:41:59.460 Alaska and the

00:42:01.020 strategic design of

00:42:03.260 peace for the United

00:42:04.200 States of America for

00:42:05.060 our hemispheric defense.

00:42:06.000 Where do people go, Tom,

00:42:07.600 to get all your all your

00:42:08.960 writings and observations?

00:42:11.540 Sure.

00:42:12.040 Thanks, Steve.

00:42:12.660 I'm at on X at Tom

00:42:15.300 Dans CFA.

00:42:16.660 Thank you, brother.

00:42:20.280 Look forward to seeing

00:42:20.920 you next week.

00:42:23.160 This caught people like

00:42:25.020 a thunderclap on a clear

00:42:27.140 summer day.

00:42:29.980 The establishment, the

00:42:30.960 hatred last night, coming

00:42:33.960 at President Trump, a

00:42:35.140 peacemaker.

00:42:36.060 Think about it for a

00:42:36.920 second.

00:42:37.760 He's trying to bring

00:42:38.820 peace to two areas of

00:42:40.280 the world.

00:42:40.740 And I understand, look,

00:42:41.620 Qatar are, I think, some

00:42:43.560 of the worst bad hombres

00:42:44.860 on earth.

00:42:46.660 But to understand that

00:42:47.600 you're sitting down with

00:42:48.220 them because they are

00:42:48.880 part of the equation, you

00:42:49.960 just have to embrace that

00:42:51.180 reality as unfortunate as

00:42:52.520 it is.

00:42:53.640 But to try to do this in

00:42:55.240 the Ukraine war and in

00:42:56.740 the Gaza war, after doing

00:42:58.600 this amazing transaction

00:43:01.340 with Azerbaijan in

00:43:03.160 Armenia, it is America

00:43:05.880 first because to get

00:43:07.820 us sorted here, we've got

00:43:08.960 to make sure we're not

00:43:09.580 drawn into these wars on

00:43:11.440 foreign battlefields.

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00:44:40.300 Strategies, for example, this is

00:44:41.840 not so much about democracy,

00:44:43.180 but you're seeing just today

00:44:44.440 there was protests and arrests

00:44:47.160 outside immigration courts here

00:44:49.440 in New York City because people

00:44:51.520 are outraged about the abuse of

00:44:54.380 the way that ICE is abusing the

00:44:57.220 court system to trap people.

00:45:00.340 And so, again, I mean, I think

00:45:02.100 that there is no need.

00:45:03.440 You know, we've talked in the

00:45:04.980 show, I've been, you know, I've

00:45:06.220 been on MSNBC for years and for

00:45:08.000 a long time we talked about we

00:45:10.140 could be falling into

00:45:11.620 authoritarianism.

00:45:12.720 We could be moving.

00:45:13.600 We could be losing our

00:45:14.600 democracy.

00:45:15.580 I mean, now we're in the

00:45:17.500 authoritarian slide.

00:45:19.760 And the models for reversing that

00:45:22.040 are not simple.

00:45:23.900 People have tried to prosecute

00:45:25.520 Trump for crimes and other

00:45:28.620 sorts of misdeeds.

00:45:29.720 And so there's not an equivalent in

00:45:32.100 him, them trying to prosecute the

00:45:34.220 prosecutors for prosecuting him.

00:45:36.380 And so, again, I don't say I think

00:45:38.160 that trying to be decorous and

00:45:40.860 uphold these norms while this

00:45:43.420 administration goes after them with

00:45:45.600 a sledgehammer.

00:45:47.100 I just don't think it works.

00:45:48.680 I think that that case got him

00:45:50.560 elected.

00:45:51.380 I don't know if that went.

00:45:52.760 That gave him his redemption

00:45:54.100 narrative.

00:45:54.760 You could argue that that case.

00:45:56.340 You think the case in New York?

00:45:57.500 I think it helped.

00:45:58.200 I think it brought him back from the

00:45:59.720 political dead.

00:46:00.920 And it gave him a comeback

00:46:02.580 narrative that his people needed to

00:46:04.140 see after January 6th.

00:46:05.540 So I think that case did a lot for

00:46:07.520 him in the judicial system for him

00:46:10.460 going and going through it and then

00:46:12.920 being seen as this resurrection

00:46:14.540 figure.

00:46:15.400 So I think that the potency of what

00:46:18.100 happens in the judicial system, I do

00:46:20.380 think it matters when it comes down

00:46:22.020 to the politics of it, too, and how

00:46:24.460 the electorate is going to respond at

00:46:26.420 the end of the day.

00:46:27.100 From New York, I'm Alec Velsian for

00:46:28.340 Chris Hayes.

00:46:28.940 Donald Trump campaigned explicitly on

00:46:30.700 a platform of revenge against his

00:46:33.080 enemies.

00:46:33.960 And now he is fulfilling that promise.

00:46:36.200 My pick is another person who's

00:46:38.080 fought back this week, which is the

00:46:39.940 president of Brazil, Lula, who said

00:46:42.540 he was not going to humiliate himself

00:46:44.420 by just rolling over in the face of

00:46:46.720 Trump's tariffs.

00:46:47.720 Instead, he basically is holding

00:46:49.640 firm.

00:46:50.640 And what's particularly significant is

00:46:52.140 Trump is imposing these tariffs

00:46:54.260 not for economic reasons, but because

00:46:56.800 he doesn't like the way that the

00:46:58.180 judicial system in Brazil is going

00:46:59.980 after the former president, President

00:47:01.720 Bolsonaro.

00:47:02.600 So my pick is Lula from Brazil, who's

00:47:05.740 had the courage to stand up and let's

00:47:07.840 hope that encourages others.

00:47:09.580 This kind of rhetoric is nothing new for

00:47:11.300 authoritarians.

00:47:12.160 Benito Mussolini, Italy's fascist

00:47:14.180 dictator for two decades, spoke of

00:47:16.360 Italy's need for an avenger.

00:47:19.260 But the point is the same.

00:47:20.780 I'm going to reward my friends, but more

00:47:22.560 importantly, I am going to punish my

00:47:25.180 enemies.

00:47:26.260 The revenge presidency is here.

00:47:29.460 In some respects, it makes the least

00:47:32.460 this point on Kush that these cases, I

00:47:37.340 mean, just start with the first

00:47:38.660 impeachment.

00:47:39.900 The man has weathered all of this

00:47:42.160 stuff.

00:47:43.400 And, you know, he wasn't convicted

00:47:45.960 twice in the Senate on two impeachments.

00:47:48.480 He comes back and he starts, as I

00:47:50.940 started this conversation with, I'm your

00:47:52.800 retribution.

00:47:54.260 And to Alisa's, both Alisa and Alisa's

00:47:57.800 point, he, you know, his followers filled

00:48:00.580 in whatever they wanted on that.

00:48:02.100 And so, yes, it the retribution, some

00:48:06.320 may think, is he's out there fighting for

00:48:08.220 them against this big, bad government.

00:48:09.980 But Donald Trump is fighting for himself

00:48:12.140 and he's winning.

00:48:13.520 So that court narrative has played out in

00:48:17.140 in sort of a backhanded way to seemingly

00:48:19.980 help him because he's beat the system at

00:48:24.380 every turn.

00:48:24.860 The other meltdown last night was about

00:48:28.620 Letitia James and Shifty Shift and these

00:48:31.020 investigations.

00:48:31.920 Now, grand juries, criminal grand juries

00:48:33.540 have been impaneled.

00:48:34.460 They've given the great Ed Martin is now

00:48:37.400 the prosecutor.

00:48:38.180 He's over in Maine Justice as the

00:48:40.560 weaponization czar.

00:48:42.760 He's now after both of these for, I think,

00:48:45.180 for loan fraud, right, for taking houses

00:48:48.500 that were not their primary residence and

00:48:50.320 getting loans, saying they're primary

00:48:51.400 residence.

00:48:52.040 There's much more that's going to come

00:48:53.200 there.

00:48:53.420 Also, what President Trump's doing across

00:48:55.580 the board as he's now winning and going

00:48:58.420 on offense against seditious conspiracy,

00:49:01.520 which they're in total meltdown.

00:49:03.180 This is where we have momentum.

00:49:04.540 We have momentum on redistricting.

00:49:06.940 We have momentum in the courts.

00:49:08.900 And as anybody will tell you in warfare,

00:49:10.580 you press your bet.

00:49:11.680 You drive it.

00:49:12.480 You drive it.

00:49:13.220 You drive it.

00:49:13.840 Dave Bratt, we're not just winning.

00:49:16.760 We're picking up momentum.

00:49:18.320 We're accelerating at an accelerating rate,

00:49:20.820 baby.

00:49:21.080 You took my buried lead.

00:49:23.900 I was going to start with the conclusion

00:49:25.020 first.

00:49:25.560 Trump winning coming from MSNBC.

00:49:28.040 I mean, man, that's it's so good.

00:49:31.540 First.

00:49:32.120 Oh, man.

00:49:33.800 No, I can watch that.

00:49:35.200 We can watch those.

00:49:36.200 We can watch that all day.

00:49:37.520 All day.

00:49:39.080 It's yeah.

00:49:39.980 First off, I want to give a shout out to the Dan's

00:49:42.640 brothers, Paul and Dan.

00:49:45.140 Those guys, they got MIT brains, their intellects.

00:49:49.340 They know what freedom and liberty in the USA is all

00:49:51.540 about.

00:49:52.020 So huge shout out to both of the Dan's brothers.

00:49:55.720 I'll just start with these clips.

00:49:57.020 I mean, they're just so good.

00:49:59.660 I mean, so we first of all, democracy is in jeopardy.

00:50:03.380 We've got a totalitarian dictator.

00:50:06.400 And then she goes on to prove her point.

00:50:07.940 This is in the context of illegal immigration.

00:50:10.020 There's no link.

00:50:11.240 Jay Bactara.

00:50:13.740 Yeah.

00:50:14.560 Illegal immigration.

00:50:16.440 And her subtext is all people matter.

00:50:19.160 This census issue is huge.

00:50:20.980 We've got to fix this.

00:50:22.400 Democracy does kind of imply everybody matters.

00:50:25.920 That's why the other day on the show, I brought up, we got

00:50:27.540 to switch the language big time and drill down into this

00:50:30.040 constitutional republic where your representatives represent

00:50:34.320 these things called citizens.

00:50:37.280 That's what we got to get back to.

00:50:38.600 Mike Benz did a deep dive on this a couple of years ago,

00:50:41.020 right?

00:50:41.280 The U.S.

00:50:42.000 State Department, USAID, the logic was, and they changed in

00:50:45.640 law or at least through executive order under Biden, the

00:50:48.920 democracy language such that democracy would be defined not

00:50:52.940 by the people but by the institutions set up that protect

00:50:57.180 democracy, including the mainstream media, so that if you

00:51:00.180 went after the mainstream media, you were violating and

00:51:03.240 challenging democracy itself and you could get put behind

00:51:06.100 bars, which you did.

00:51:08.920 So this is just stunning.

00:51:10.460 And then, you know, Financial Times, our intellectual

00:51:12.800 betters, you know, Oxford, Cambridge, just reeks of

00:51:14.980 elitism, which I used to like.

00:51:18.000 But she says what?

00:51:20.080 My pick, Lula, right?

00:51:21.740 I don't like Trump, so my pick.

00:51:23.660 So it boils down to this.

00:51:24.940 They're finally letting the buried lead out, right?

00:51:27.300 The mainstream media don't like Trump.

00:51:29.300 My pick doesn't have anything to do with American people,

00:51:32.040 our leaders, nothing.

00:51:33.140 So Trump's winning.

00:51:34.800 That's the great news.

00:51:35.860 We're winning.

00:51:40.740 Dave, you want to stick around?

00:51:41.880 We've got some special guests in the next hour.

00:51:44.560 We're going to pivot.

00:51:45.980 Talk about mRNA vaccines.

00:51:48.020 It's amazing.

00:51:48.580 A huge, massive announcement was made this past week by Bobby

00:51:51.460 Kennedy and the team over at HHS.

00:51:53.920 Birch Gold thinks times are turbulent.

00:51:57.520 I think it may be a little turbulence ahead of us as President

00:52:00.020 Trump tries to bring peace to the world.

00:52:03.400 Blessed are the peacemakers.

00:52:04.760 But you know what?

00:52:05.300 The odds are always against them.

00:52:06.580 Long odds as President Trump tries to do it.

00:52:08.860 Birchgold.com slash Bannon.

00:52:11.180 End of the dollar empire.

00:52:12.220 Julia Tett, the editor of the Financial Times.

00:52:14.860 You saw the clip.

00:52:15.500 She gave the MVP of the week to Lula.

00:52:17.680 Why?

00:52:18.940 Lula stepping up and trying to destroy the U.S. dollar.

00:52:22.640 How's that said for you?

00:52:24.320 Sound right?

00:52:25.040 Birchgold.com slash Bannon.

00:52:27.380 The end of the dollar empire.

00:52:28.540 Also, take your phone out.

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Episode 4695： Remembering Nagasaki 80 Years Ago Today

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