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00:04:09.000Okay, ladies, give us your name, your age, what you do for a living, dating status, education level, and if you want to, of course, and we'll start right here.
00:12:58.000My name is Zuby, independent rapper, author, host of the Real Talk with Zuby podcast, international public speaker, and I'm from the UK. Born there, family background originally from Nigeria, grew up in Saudi Arabia, went to both American and British schools,
00:13:14.000graduate of Oxford University in computer science, but I don't use that.
00:13:26.000So I'll read some of these chats, guys.
00:13:27.000Just so you know, it's Friday, which means you guys go ahead and send in the chats and we're going to go ahead and ask the questions you guys Ask, I guess, because it's Friday.
00:13:37.000I guarantee you they're going to ask the countries one off-road.
00:17:12.000I think the past, you can change it with your present.
00:17:16.000So, whatever you do in your present is actually who you are at the moment, and I don't mind about that, but if you, I mean, if you was with another guy before, maybe he's confused, so that would be our situation.
00:17:30.000Alright, would you be with a guy that banged dudes in the past?
00:21:27.000No, but I'm saying, like, let's say you didn't know, like, you found out later, like, you were with him, and then you found out they used to kiss dudes and do all that other stuff before.
00:23:24.000Because just like current actions tend to be a decent predictor of future actions, past actions are a decent gauge of where someone is in the present.
00:27:44.000And then you have girls that are fat and they're like, but they actually are thick, but they just have low confidence, low self-esteem and they exert that energy and people feel that shit.
00:27:55.000They're like, oh, and then people are like, oh my God, you're fat because they exert that energy.
00:27:59.000When you own your shit, you own your energy, people feel it.
00:30:40.000I mean, if they feel good with themselves, that's okay.
00:30:42.000But I think when you're overweight, you're not eating right, you're not eating healthy, you're having situations in your body that may be...
00:30:51.000But I feel skinny, though, even though I do all these things.
00:39:05.000Alright, pick one girl on the panel that you would want your son to marry, from what you know now, and one girl you would want him to stay away from.
00:49:07.000And I feel like the reason why so many women behave the way that they do is because we think that men want the girls who have the only fans and the ass out and all that because they give a lot of attention to.
00:49:20.000Do you think they want them for a relationship though?
00:49:23.000So I think at a young age, women get that misconstrued.
00:49:26.000And then for the ladies who are doing it right and then we get fucked over a lot of the time, we're like, okay, well, she's getting all like everything.
00:51:02.000Can you tell me why men need to fix it?
00:51:05.000I would say cultural things and like how everything is going on right now, but I don't really want to like kind of push any gender in a specific because, again, it's not about if it's a man or if it's a woman.
00:55:07.000As a whole, there's a lot of problems with modern-day women, but I think if you want an end goal of a family, then you have to work together.
00:55:16.000Okay, so you think it's worth the fix?
00:56:03.000If your son told you, hey, she's a good girl, she got 300 bodies, though, would you let him go and fix her and deal with that, or would you tell him no?
00:58:04.000Yeah, because you're also talking about, you know, how long you've been with somebody and, you know, the trauma you guys probably went through, you know, the things that you face together.
00:58:15.000Well, I'm just saying in general, like, is it better to buy something brand new or to fix it?
00:58:22.000Well, I guess if you're talking about, you know, dating, you know, in a civilized manner.
00:59:45.000If you have the money to buy it brand new...
00:59:46.000Let me ask y'all a question real fast, okay?
00:59:51.000Because you guys like to say, a lot of girls like to put the onus on men, like, no, you should fix it, blah, blah, blah.
00:59:56.000Realistically speaking, if you can get a younger girl that has less experience, that doesn't come with damages, etc., wouldn't it be better to just go that route versus taking a girl that's been through a bunch of shit and trying to fix it?
01:00:52.000Yes, because I see what you're saying.
01:00:54.000It's easier for women to deal with poverty because, right, if you're a beautiful woman, you just be like, oh, put your hand out and people want to help you.
01:01:02.000But still, that's still a lot of shit to go through, same as a man.
01:01:19.000As a man, if you're broke and you don't have money and there's no way out, there's no way out.
01:01:23.000It's like, damn, I have to become successful or I'm going to continue to experience this.
01:01:27.000As a woman, it's like, okay, this sucks.
01:01:30.000I can be successful or I can go find a rich guy or I can go dance or I can selfie pictures on OnlyFans.
01:01:36.000There's way more routes and options for a woman to get out.
01:01:40.000So that's going to directly affect her mind state while dealing with the adversity.
01:01:44.000So what I'm saying is that Though women can go through the same adversities that men do, they'll never fully appreciate the same level of adversity that a man does because, quite frankly, men live way harder lives than women do.
01:01:54.000I think that we can appreciate it to a certain point more than a girl that's just so naive.
01:02:14.000A woman will never be able to empathize with a male experience because men have certain obstacles that women never have to deal with and or endure.
01:02:21.000And I'm not saying that just to be like, oh my god, feel sorry for me.
01:04:56.000Then if a man in that society or culture or community wants to attract a woman, he's going to start modeling those behaviors, whether he's truly that thing or not.
01:05:04.000He's going to start modeling that behavior because he'll be like, wait, who are the guys around me who are getting girls?
01:05:12.000So, I would say that I think, like a lot of people have said, it's largely both, but I think women being the gatekeepers of sex, I'd put the onus for this particular topic more on women.
01:05:22.000If the women change, then the men will acclimate.
01:07:38.000Do you know what I think about a lot of these conversations is that, you know, I understand, you know, we just had a whole conversation about the decline of many aspects of the West, but there are still millions and millions of I think?
01:08:26.000Like, you have to be I'm more on the defensive because men have more to lose when they get in relationships, right?
01:08:31.000If you get in a relationship with a terrible girl in the United States, well, you get the risk of her taking your house, divorcing you, taking your money, taking your children, you paying alimony, etc.
01:08:39.000So I think guys need to be more cautious.
01:08:41.000But why did y'all create that dynamic?
01:10:39.000And I think that people, at least in an individual relationship, I think people need to decide, okay, are you truly going to do this whole egalitarian thing?
01:10:46.000Is that truly what you believe in what you're going to do?
01:11:20.000I'm not going to pretend that, you know, the 1950s, all these marriages were perfect or whatever, or that in, you know, more traditional countries, everything is perfect.
01:11:29.000But I'd also say that what we've got going on in many areas of the West is a whole disaster zone, I mean.
01:11:35.000Every single country in the West has a below replacement birth rate.
01:11:40.000People are not even reproducing to replace themselves.
01:11:44.000That's actually long term a big problem.
01:11:47.000People don't even know what freaking gender they are.
01:11:49.000There's all sorts of confusion that's going on.
01:11:52.000And I think some of this is just because it's so new.
01:11:54.000We're only talking in the past couple decades where some of these ideas have even...
01:12:01.000Even if you look at successful marriages and successful couples, with exceptions, they tend to be ones that are more based off of the traditional model.
01:12:13.000I'm sure there's exceptions where it works fine.
01:12:15.000There's exceptions where the man is happy to stay at home and look after the kids and be a house husband, and the woman is out there earning the money.
01:12:21.000Traditional is always going to work because it's structural.
01:12:26.000The thing is, people forget that a lot of this stuff is not based on the patriarchy and men wanting to bully women and misogyny and this and this.
01:13:12.000Men cannot price themselves out at the dating market.
01:13:16.000As a man, the more money you make, the more education you get, the higher status you become, all of that stuff, the more women you have access to.
01:13:24.000For women, it's actually the other way around.
01:14:49.000There can be a woman out there who's a high-powered lawyer earning, you know, a quarter million a year.
01:14:53.000And she's, you know, I'm sure there's a situation where there's a woman like that who's totally happy with a guy who's making 40 or 50k and it genuinely works and they truly, truly love each other.
01:15:09.000But the other way around, like, if a guy's earning quarter million a year, like, he doesn't give a crap how much his girl is earning.
01:15:17.000In fact, the only thing that might, like, intimidate, whoa, if, like, the girl's earning freaking two million a year, then even he, as a high earner, might be like, man, like, that's kind of a weird...
01:17:22.000Having sort of infinite options with no constraints isn't actually good for people individually nor collectively, right?
01:17:29.000If you have too many options, like if you go into a restaurant and the menu is this thick, it's like, you know, the menu is the size of the Bible and you want to pick what to eat.
01:17:41.000Like, that's not actually a good situation to be in, right?
01:17:44.000It's actually better to just have a few things and you're like, cool, okay, cool, I want that chicken.
01:17:48.000They did this experiment with the ice cream flavors.
01:17:50.000It was like three flavors, they made a selection.
01:17:52.000When they had like 20, they couldn't make one.
01:17:54.000So it's fair to say that in the past, yes, there were fewer choices, there were fewer options, there were more constraints and restrictions on both men and women.
01:18:03.000This even goes with like jobs and careers and stuff like that.
01:18:06.000But that's not something that's inherently...
01:18:10.000I think in this modern era, we always think more is better.
01:18:15.000But I think that that's not actually quite true.
01:18:18.000And even if you look at people's genuine happiness and contentedness with life, it's not like, okay, just having more of everything and more options and more freedom is...
01:18:28.000If you even choose to get in a relationship, for example, a committed one, and choose to be faithful, or people choose to marry, you're cutting off Tons of options.
01:18:40.000You're saying, okay, this one person, we're going to create this path, but all these other branches, these are now inaccessible.
01:18:47.000But actually, people who are happily married, genuinely happily married, are generally way happier than single people are.
01:18:55.000And here's the other thing, too, to add to what you were saying.
01:18:57.000They found that as women have become more and more liberated thanks to feminism since the 70s, they've actually had lower and lower approved ratings of happiness.
01:20:15.000So, I mean, it makes sense that women have become less and less happy as they've made more and more money, become more and more successful because women don't derive their pleasure from money and income because that doesn't matter.
01:20:26.000A woman's status doesn't make her sexier to a man.
01:20:28.000It doesn't make her hotter in the dating marketplace.
01:20:34.000So as a man earns more status and makes more income, he's fulfilled because he's also more attracted to the opposite gender.
01:20:38.000She earns more money, becomes successful.
01:20:40.000She's not sexier to the opposite gender, even though she might think she is, because she's literally ostracized herself from a large majority of men that she could have been with.
01:20:47.000I mean, I understand that point, but I don't think that's the focus of that kind of a woman.
01:20:53.000I think a woman who prioritizes career, her focus is security.
01:22:40.000However, if they found a guy that was actually worthwhile, and then they picked the bad guys that were not good for them, they might say, you know what?
01:22:57.000Because if you figure out what's happening with the current climate of dating and men and women, it's messed up because both parties think that they're right, but they're wrong.
01:23:41.000If you meet a man who's already performed and you come in thinking, I don't have to perform, well, you're going to be gone.
01:23:47.000You're going to get kicked to the curb because another girl will perform for him.
01:23:50.000She might not have the career that you do.
01:23:51.000She might not have the performance in the boardroom or in the college or whatever, but she'll perform where he needs her, which is typically inside the home, maybe outside the business, etc.
01:25:46.000And this is more of a generational thing.
01:25:49.000But I think even one of the reasons why a lot of modern-day women feel this need to chase careers and financial independence and not relying on men, etc., is because...
01:26:01.000Sadly, in a lot of situations, they haven't seen that modeled well within their own families and communities.
01:26:08.000So I can understand how, like, I'm very blessed to be, you know, my parents have been together like almost 50 years, right?
01:26:15.000And they've got a, you know, what you'd call a traditional relationship, right?
01:26:19.000That is the main breadwinner, you know.
01:26:20.000Five kids, tons of grandkids, like very traditional sort of.
01:26:24.000But I recognize how if someone came from a situation where their father, for example, let alone other fathers in their community were bums or abusive or not reliable, I can totally see how a woman from that situation would be like,
01:26:39.000man, I can't put myself in a position where I need to totally...
01:26:43.000Rely on a man and submit to a man because look at these effed up situations all around me from women who made that decision.
01:26:51.000So I would say that that's one thing where On a generational level, right?
01:26:57.000Like our generation of men, when we go on and become fathers, I think that both for our sons and for our daughters, that's something that we have to model well for both of their sake.
01:27:08.000Because as we know, modeling is very important.
01:27:10.000Most people model what they grew up with, rightly or wrongly, even if they don't know that they're doing it.
01:27:17.000And I think like on a deep level, that's where a lot of these ideas come from.
01:27:22.000And, you know, everyone knows who their mother is.
01:27:50.000Because that's the critical moment where they're going to start experimenting with drugs or trying to play hooky from school or they might do some dumb shit.
01:27:56.000And that's where the father's got to come in and be honest, like smack them with reality.
01:28:20.000And there's also a problem just when boys become, with boys, I mean, I think when boys become, like, physically bigger and stronger than their mothers, which will typically happen in the early teenage years, then...
01:28:35.000Because we know, look, as men, ultimately men, you know, all interactions between men on a deep, deep level are sort of backed up fundamentally by a potential threat of violence.
01:28:45.000And we always recognize this and we learn this from a very young age.
01:28:47.000So you do learn, like, you just can't You know, you can't mess with men in a certain way.
01:28:54.000You can't push people past certain limits.
01:28:56.000I think female relationships are different in that regard.
01:29:01.000There isn't kind of that underlying current of that potentiality.
01:32:45.000Yeah, or highly educated and they don't use their degree.
01:32:46.000And what I've come to realize is that women, typically, if they have a higher level degree and it's in something that's like maybe STEM related or whatever, they're more willing to not use that degree and go follow their passion.
01:33:24.000And I want to be an artist and not make any money or anything like that.
01:33:27.000Well, there's going to be an issue with that because women are going to look at me first and be like, okay, you're cool, but you're an artist.
01:33:32.000You're not really making money like that.
01:33:34.000So that's going to disqualify me from a lot of women.
01:33:38.000Men are more likely to sacrifice their dreams to earn money or go into majors or do things that they hate.
01:33:45.000Dude, you know how many Nigerians I know that are pharmacists and doctors and don't want to do that shit?
01:33:49.000But they're doing it because of intense pressure from their family and they understand I have to be the breadwinner and they know me chasing my passion and doing this is not going to work.
01:34:05.000So what I'm saying is that men are far more willing to sacrifice their passions and doing what they really want to do to earn money because they know there is a burden of performance on me to make money.
01:34:14.000You have to earn money as well as the women.
01:35:13.000And actually, in any case, if you have a career and you love what to do and you follow your dreams, you're going to get in a point that you want to be successful.
01:35:22.000I know that sounds good on paper, but I promise you all those guys that have their girls supporting them paying for everything...
01:35:35.000What I'm saying is that a man will be more willing to pay to support your dream than a woman will be willing to pay and support for a man's dream.
01:36:09.000Like, yo, they are terrible fucking people when they pay the bills, bro.
01:36:13.000I tell you guys all the time, yo, you better make more money than your girl.
01:36:17.000And if you, you know, you guys have something going on, you better make more money than her.
01:36:20.000You better not have her paying any significant bills because she's going to be a raging bitch because she has to go step into her masculine.
01:36:26.000And next thing you know, you went from her boyfriend to her son.
01:36:29.000And I hate to say it, but that's just how it is.
01:36:30.000Women are terrible people when they're the breadwinners most of the time.
01:37:07.000You should do something to be able to provide your own livelihood, but you should be able to balance it as knowing, hey, don't be just focusing on your career.
01:37:15.000And then when you're done with your career, go find a husband.
01:37:17.000It should be like, hey, if you're going to study for your career, go out and date while you're in school.
01:37:23.000We weren't taught a lot of girls to be wives.
01:39:38.000She was a kid with a Zodiac killer and was running around killing people.
01:39:56.000You're pointing out something that a lot of us don't see.
01:39:58.000When I was in school, I didn't see that.
01:40:00.000Like, oh, hey, you know, I should learn how to balance career and be a wife because nobody told me that.
01:40:04.000They just told me, like, hey, make sure that you...
01:40:14.000I was gonna say something and this goes across men and women and this might sound harsh but most people don't have careers Most people have jobs.
01:40:26.000So this whole, like, career thing, like, most people just have jobs, and most people, men or women, don't really like their jobs.
01:40:32.000Like, people who have, like, a true career that they're genuinely passionate about, and, you know, they're building a business, or they're not...
01:41:01.000And I think that certainly towards women...
01:41:04.000I honestly believe that millions of women have kind of been sold this lie that somehow it's like empowering to work a job for some boss or company that doesn't give a crap about you.
01:41:15.000And that's super empowering and you go girl.
01:41:18.000But somehow it's disempowering and, you know...
01:41:21.000Giving into the patriarchy or whatever to work and provide for a husband and a family and children who freaking adore you and would literally die for you.
01:41:31.000And I think that that's massively warped.
01:41:34.000And, you know, not everyone falls victim to this brainwashing, but I think that there's millions.
01:41:39.000Even if I say the phrase like, oh, I think a woman should serve her husband and serve her family.
01:42:52.000But if, like, But then again, as a man, you're, like, if you go out to a restaurant and you drop, like, a couple bills on food or whatever, like, that's totally fine, and women expect that.
01:43:02.000So, if we go out to a restaurant and I'm happy, cool, $100, $200, whatever, on a dinner, and then I'm, like, hungry at home, and I'm like, hey, can you make me a sandwich?
01:47:33.000Because I just like, I think what it is, it's like, like they say, it's like what, I hate saying it, but it's like, whatever, yeah, I just like, I like white guys.
02:02:34.000Either, maybe they're good at it and they're able actually to do it, but it's actually very hard to get a girl to come straight to your place and have sex for her.
02:02:41.000That's what I was thinking, but it's apparently Very common.
02:02:48.000And other thing too, guys chronically lie about how many girls they fuck and they also chronically lie whether they paid the girl to fuck or not.
02:02:54.000A lot of girls be fucking for money in Miami.
02:18:01.000So why do you think it would work on me?
02:18:03.000And then you, like, you took a picture of them as they're taking a selfie.
02:18:09.000But here's the thing, you come off as a fan doing that.
02:18:12.000So, automatically, they're like, yo, this guy's sending out some weirdo shit.
02:18:16.000Then your friend comes in, oh, hey, we're the owners, or whatever.
02:18:22.000And then any girl that has half a brain in Miami knows that Liv is owned by the Groupman Group, and they're probably going to know a couple of people in it.
02:21:29.000The reason why I like doing this and we go through that pain is because it reveals how little women really understand about what it takes to attract their own kind.
02:21:36.000We gave you guys typical objections that girls give guys all the time.
02:26:26.000My consultations, I increased the price.
02:26:27.000If you guys really want to do a consultation, DM Christina at Christy Rojas, and she'll set it up for you if you guys really want to do it.
02:26:34.000But I'm trying to stay away from doing consultations, but they're expensive, so it's up to y'all if you want to do them.
02:26:40.000Had a woman that was 15 minutes late to the date she picked.
02:27:42.000So you think, but do you not think that you should be there on time and you should deal with consequences of coming late, which means missing out on a guy?
02:27:49.000Yeah, but he, you know what I'm saying?
02:31:42.000I think running more than 15 minutes late for a meeting with anyone and not letting them know, giving them an update, I think is massively disrespectful.
02:33:51.000Okay, so basically the father of my child was like trying to come back into our daughter's life after a while and basically he was like the main father figure in her life.
02:34:25.000Yeah, so basically he was like, well, I don't want you having any communication with him, like all this stuff, but I felt like that wasn't right.
02:34:33.000Like I really didn't agree with him on it.
02:34:36.000Oh, so the father figure didn't want the biological figure if father To have any contact with me or like anything like that.
02:41:25.000Well, when I FaceTime you at 8am and there's a girl's voice in the background as a boy's trip, I kind of want an explanation, so I might whine a little.
02:43:08.000I overrided certain flags that I wouldn't have for someone who I wasn't as attracted to.
02:43:14.000Okay, alright, so she was hot, but she had some flags that you should have looked...
02:43:17.000Certain things, yeah, not like, I'm not talking like major red glam, but certain things where...
02:43:22.000I know the girls here probably want to know what the yellow flags are for the girls here so they can maybe become better women, even though it's too late anyway.
02:44:36.000It's just that there's certain things like early on where most of the time I would have been like, yeah, I think that's maybe a potential deal breaker.
02:44:57.000Most women, for example, would be like, oh no, it was his fault.
02:44:59.000Or like, for example, it was something about him, but like, I was fine.
02:45:02.000So in that scenario, he's correct because he would actually do that.
02:45:05.000He's still putting the onus on himself for not identifying the yellow flags and taking action upon them swiftly like he otherwise would have.
02:45:13.000Versus you said, I just gave a bunch of chances.
02:45:15.000And I also said that I was denying, you know, what it was that he was showing me as far as interests.
02:47:38.000We might as well make more racial jokes while we can.
02:47:48.000If a stranger gave you a million dollars, but you weren't allowed to spend it on yourself, family, or friends, how would you spend the money?
02:51:14.000Africa, like, just basically on resources, if we wanted to bank everything back on Africa's resources, they would be like the richest country.
02:58:57.000And then for a distraction, I'd say, you know, I'll get pizza for your friends tonight and, you know, have them come over and, like, just do something fun to get your brain off of it.
03:00:43.000If you're going to cry, well, I mean, if he cries to me, I'll be like, alright, nigga, like, whatever, but I'll be like, don't do this shit again.
03:00:50.000You're telling them they should suppress their individuality.
03:02:58.000So since that is the reality that women love opportunistically and men love idealistically, men need to be a little bit rational when it comes to that.
03:03:07.000Men gonna look at a woman and be like, you think he gonna go with a woman that's like, you know, fucked up and be like, yeah, I'm gonna go make with her.
03:03:14.000Like, no, he gonna look at her and be like, she look good, badass, fat, she look healthy.
03:03:18.000A woman gonna look at a man and be like, hmm, he got a nice beard.
03:03:24.000I think what you're saying is like women love opportunistically like when it comes to resources from a man and men love opportunistically when it comes to um no we don't love opportunity men love women idealistically or tend to love idealistically but the point i'm trying to make is this i tell guys don't love girl like you can have love for a girl but don't fall in love for a girl Yeah.
03:06:26.000Maybe you sometimes act like that, but then actually that means that when you start having feelings, you push away people because you're afraid of them.
03:07:33.000I totally agree that like falling head over heels in love to the point that you just lose all your faculties and normal like reason and really that's stupid.
03:08:12.000Well, in your case, I love you in totality.
03:08:15.000No, the reason why the woman has to love the man more is because women don't feel like they're satisfied unless they got the best option.
03:08:22.000For you to feel like you got the best option needs to be chasing that guy's validation.
03:08:25.000For you to be feeling like you're chasing that guy's validation needs to be superior to in every way and you need to like him more than he likes you.
03:08:29.000I have seen a lot of examples of women that are actually in love and they do the best and then the men don't appreciate them until they leave.
03:09:37.000When a man falls head over heels over a chick, she's eventually going to get tired of his ass for being a simp because he's giving her way too much attention, too much validation, and women need to feel like they have the best deal.
03:09:48.000If the guy is giving them all this attention, simping on her, she's like, well, you know what?
03:09:53.000That means my value is higher than yours.
03:09:55.000Well, guess what happens when girls think that they're better than you?
03:09:57.000They start to treat you fucking terribly.
03:09:59.000When men know that they're better than their girl, their girl is happy, she feels validated, and then she continues to chase him, and it works better that way.
03:10:06.000Because you guys are programmed to want a man that's better than you.
03:10:09.000We don't care about where you stand with us, but you care a lot about where we stand with you.
03:10:42.000Negative consequences of a woman love bombing you are not the same negative consequences of a man love bombing a woman.
03:10:48.000If a man love bombs a woman, the likelihood of her getting tired of him is going to be significantly higher than if a woman love bombs a man because men rarely get validation like that.
03:11:12.000They only appreciate male attention from certain types of guys.
03:11:15.000Men, however, appreciate female attention.
03:11:17.000So you're less likely to get broken up with if you appreciate your guy.
03:11:21.000But on the other hand, if that guy over-appreciates you, you are more than likely going to be like, this nigga's a cent, fuck this shit, and leave.
03:11:28.000And the argument is, let's say you find a guy and you love bombing him, and he's taking advantage of that, he doesn't really care about you.
03:11:36.000But you gotta understand the type of woman that you're talking about, too, because, like, you're saying that's why the bad guys are winning, but they're winning with who?
03:11:45.000They're not winning with high-value women.
03:12:04.000A woman of value of character, somebody who's not a hoe, somebody who is a wife and is looking for a husband is not going to put up with the shit that a low life guy is going to throw at her.
03:15:16.000So, the reason why I say there's no such thing as a high-value woman is because a high-value woman cannot arbitrarily call herself high-value unless a high-value man designates her as one.
03:15:30.000There's a reason why women fight tooth and nail to get married and carry a man's last name that they admire, love, and respect hopefully one day.
03:15:35.000That's what women typically want to get married to a man that's better than them.
03:15:52.000They're giving all their value up front, right?
03:15:54.000It's her job to land the guy that's high value and then she becomes high value as a byproduct of being with that man because the man, the burner performance is on him, right?
03:16:01.000So I cannot attribute high value to someone who's given their value.
03:16:05.000So I get it that she might have some characteristics that make her desirable, attractive, a good candidate to be with a high value man, but I can't...
03:16:13.000Name a girl, high value, when in reality, the things that make a woman valuable, they're born with.
03:16:17.000Versus a man, he has to become high value.
03:16:19.000He has to get his money up, get in the gym, etc.
03:19:30.000To me, there's a gigantic chasm between a woman being physically attractive and being what I would consider high value or highly desirable as a potential wife.
03:19:54.000If she's hot and her personality is trash and her values are trash and her morals are trash and her baby is trash, she's low value.
03:20:00.000Of course, but what I'm trying to say is that the reason why I can't call a woman high value is because the things that make her valuable, she is born with.
03:20:43.000I've watched so many episodes of how you talk about a low-value woman versus a high-value man and I love hearing him You're so spoken about this all the time.
03:21:01.000I think most hot 20-year-olds running around here in Miami, I'd have zero interest.
03:21:07.000A lot of them don't have a strong father figure at home.
03:21:11.000They don't come with good family morals.
03:21:12.000What I'm saying is that if you take a girl that's young and hot, attractive, with a good family, etc., Well, more than likely, she's going to be ready-made to go by the time she's an adult.
03:24:51.000Can I just say, I think the point that women are trying to make at this table is that when you're 19, you don't understand how to handle a lot of life situations that comes out negatively in that relationship because you put it on the man because you have no gauge of how to handle it on yourself.
03:25:10.000I love how you guys are trying to tell us, well, when you date with a 19-year-old, you shouldn't like this, you shouldn't like that, blah, blah, blah.
03:25:16.000Notice how we know that you guys want guys that have money.
03:25:18.000We know that you guys want guys that are tall.
03:25:20.000We know that you want guys that have security, etc.
03:25:56.000Another thing that men value a lot, and I don't know if women are aware of this, maybe they're not aware of it or they kind of ignore it, and this is linked to the experience thing, which is often linked to age, is men want a woman who is moldable.
03:26:16.000So if a woman already is kind of like rigid and set in her ways, then that can be a pretty big turnoff.
03:26:26.000And also just practically it cannot work as well, especially if the guy is older and it's like, okay, I want to If it's like you already know everything, you've already been everywhere, you've already experienced everything, whatever, then it's like, okay, well, number one, who was all that with and how did all that happen?
03:26:43.000But number two, it's like, okay, I don't think I can like, you want your girl to be like coachable.
03:26:49.000Bro, no one wants to pay full price for a car with 100,000 miles on it.
03:26:53.000I'm going to keep it 1,000 with y'all.
03:27:29.000If I take a girl that's 21 and I line up 100 of them, then I take a girl that's 41 and I line up 100 of them, more than likely, the chicks that are 41, more of them are going to have more bodies than 21-year-olds.
03:27:38.000So the likelihood that an older woman is going to have a higher body count is just going to be higher.
03:27:59.000Do you know what's crazy about these conversations is that it's really not that hard for a woman to be like Really, really high quality and stand out.
03:29:45.000You know what I think is confusing this conversation?
03:29:49.000And I think that I think the term value is almost being used, and maybe this is why you guys are kind of saying you don't think high-value women exist.
03:29:59.000I think if you're quantifying value by the exact same measures for both men and women, then, well, number one, I don't think that's accurate.
03:30:11.000But I think maybe that's something that's confusing the conversation.
03:30:14.000Because you said you think you can have a highly desirable woman.
03:30:17.000To me, that's like a synonym for high value, but not by the same metrics that I'd measure man being high value.
03:30:26.000There's some crossover in terms of character and morality and ethics and actual values, but in terms of the traits, the things that are kind of more measurable objectively or subjectively, those are going to be different.
03:31:00.000And I think that oftentimes, just like a lot of women get confused with stuff, because a lot of women will think that A big mess up a lot of women make.
03:31:07.000So what's your definition of a high value woman?
03:31:21.000I'd say qualities include, like I said, youth, beauty, Health and physical fitness, morals, values, ethics, behaviors, coachability, kindness, like how much of a good mother she'd be,
03:32:21.000A man's metric of success, though, is can he create change in the world and be valued by his peers?
03:32:27.000So a man creates value for the world, the world pays him money, gives him status, etc.
03:32:31.000He's considered a high value man to the world because he's provided change and provided value to the world.
03:32:35.000Women, however, provide value to their man, who is high value, and they are getting a relationship with him.
03:32:40.000So if she can lock down that man, then she, by virtue, becomes high value.
03:32:43.000She adopts his last name, she becomes high value.
03:32:45.000So I can't attribute high value to a woman because they're born with it.
03:32:48.000That's why, to me, I look at it like, I can't give y'all high value because all of you guys are born with technically high value if we're going to go that route.
03:32:55.000But I can't attribute that because, to me, high value is earned.
03:32:58.000I could say highly desirable, I could say attractive, but unless she could lock down a high value man, she's a high value herself.
03:33:04.000I don't feel like every woman is born with that though.
03:33:08.000I feel like if this was the 1950s, that would be like a perfect, you know, mindset to fit that scenario.
03:33:13.000But women now is like, they're not leading with the, I need a high value man to like take care of me.
03:33:20.000I mean, yeah, we can want what we want, but it's like not everyone wants, like we also want the same thing like how men, like you said, they want to make an influence on the world.
03:35:29.000So obviously there are women who are more high value than other women because they don't all encompass all these things that you are naming.
03:35:37.000So wouldn't they be high value for a high value man?
03:35:40.000No, because every girl is born with her value.
03:35:42.000Even an average girl has more opportunities.
03:35:44.000But it might not be high value because she might not be cute.
03:35:46.000Her body might not be hitting on nothing.
03:35:48.000Remember, I just said there's no such thing as a high value woman.
03:36:22.000So for example, you say there's highly desirable women, but not high-value women.
03:36:28.000So that delineation, that separation, how are you defining that separation?
03:36:34.000So for me personally, I would just say regarding value itself, I think it's earned, like what you said earlier.
03:36:39.000So if it's earned, I have to work towards getting this value versus if it's desirable, all right, these traits I just innately have, so that makes me on some level desirable.
03:36:48.000But it's different because when it's earned, when it's just given to you.
03:38:28.000Could you have a man who's a high-value man, but he's not desirable to women?
03:38:34.000Or is a man who's high-value, by definition, a man who's desirable to women?
03:38:39.000I mean, generally he would be, but, you know...
03:38:43.000Yeah, because there's some guys that are high earners there but are still like strange.
03:38:46.000You can be a multimillionaire and be completely unattractive.
03:38:50.000Like socially awkward, short, little dick.
03:38:54.000You can also be a very low earner and be freaking smashing left.
03:38:58.000I would say you have to be the full package to be high value.
03:39:01.000You could be a higher earner, you could be an attractive guy, whatever, but I would say you got to be full package because the girl's got to be able to read your value to a degree, right?
03:41:06.000So basically what I was saying is, if you're saying a woman is born with all her value, then okay, well if we say that, then that's basically saying that every woman is high value, which that is not true because we just established that.
03:41:19.000Remember we said that there's no such thing as a high value woman.
03:41:39.000So there's a separation between women, is basically what I'm saying.
03:41:43.000Because every woman's not beautiful, doesn't have a banging body, isn't young, youthful, and can give you lots of kids, and is well-mannered, is going to follow your lead.
03:41:51.000I feel like, yes, that's a high-value woman.
03:41:54.000But somebody else, if they don't have those qualities, then they wouldn't be a high-value woman.
03:41:59.000So I feel like, yes, there is high-value women and high-value men.
03:42:01.000And I'd also say that women can raise their value.
03:42:06.000If you were raised in a home where you weren't taught these certain values, but then you go out into the world and you start making changes yourself because you know what kind of man you want, like I feel like you can change yourself into that.
03:42:17.000You could have a woman who's like higher value at 25 than at 20.
03:42:20.000I know that might not be a popular thing to say in any type of Manosphere circle, but that's reality.
03:42:25.000No, no, she could absolutely improve her value, but my argument is simply that an average woman, right, can come out and get an above-average man, maybe even a higher-status man, versus an average man, he's got to increase his value, because most women are not checking for average men anymore.
03:43:04.000There's no question that men need to grind and achieve certain successes and qualities in order, which is generally why, like, say, by 30, 35 years, At 30, the game tends to change quite a lot for men.
03:43:21.000Assuming you've done the work over the past decade, then your 30s as a guy, you should actually be much more successful and much more attractive than you were in your 20s.
03:43:33.000For women, generally, it's going to be the other way around.
03:43:46.000Well, only thing I can add to the table, they already actually speak pretty well and thank you so much for saying that.
03:43:53.000Yeah, I think we are talking about perspectives and I think everybody has their own perception of what is a good value or not.
03:44:01.000I don't think every man or every woman, maybe some of them, they were actually born with it, but a lot of them, they actually make a great job of raising self-value.
03:44:14.000And I think that should be something that we have to kind of appreciate.
03:44:22.000When you have somebody that even though it's a woman or a man, you have to appreciate that kind of things.
03:44:28.000I understand your term about maybe a younger lady is easier to mold or something, but in a point she's going to get to a certain age as well.
03:44:39.000So you're going to have to face the same situations.
03:45:14.000Okay, that's fine, but when I'm speaking about what women want in general.
03:45:17.000So, like, she's saying, like, oh, well, she's going to be older, but it's much different if she's older, but she's been under my authority, and, like, she's been following me.
03:45:24.000I have seen a lot of marriage of guys that pick younger girls, and when they become 35, they feel like an appreciation, and they want to get out, and then that's when divorce comes, and a lot of situations that you guys have seen.
03:45:37.000Because women initiate, hold on, you say that, but women initiate 80% of the divorces.
03:47:19.000I'm just saying women-led divorces are typically in their 30s.
03:47:23.000They feel like they have a small threshold of time before they can remarry versus men.
03:47:28.000Male-led divorces are typically in their 50s.
03:47:32.000She's saying if you feel unappreciated in your 20s, you're going to break it off in your 30s in hopes that you can find someone before 40 versus men...
03:48:28.000It's one thing to say that men are always going to be sexually attracted to and find other women desirable.
03:48:35.000It's another thing to say that every married man, the vast majority of married men are gonna act on that impulse and pull the trigger and risk effing up their entire situation.
03:48:48.000I get what you're saying, dude, but the problem is that religion Any place you go,
03:49:03.000dude, where religion isn't necessarily, it's kind of watered down, morals are watered down, first world, you know, English-speaking countries, first world countries in general, men are going to only be as faithful as their options.
03:49:17.000Some men can't, or they don't want to actually do the action, but they'll go on OnlyFans, they'll go on webcam, and they'll pay the girls to see because they want to do it, but they...
03:49:25.000Most men in the world don't even know what OnlyFans is, man.
03:49:28.000No, no, but I'm saying some do, or they just watch porn.
03:49:31.000So I'm just saying, like, they may not actually physically do it, but mentally or visually they'll watch it.
03:51:10.000Talking with guys, from getting angry women on the show, talking to me.
03:51:14.000I don't know the specific stats on the guys that actually cheat because, you know, obviously that's not something that they're going to want to report.
03:53:02.000So it's like in those circles, I think you're going to get like a natural, there's going to be a natural skew.
03:53:07.000Just like if someone did all their polling in like a tight-knit religious community, you're going to be like, man, like almost nobody cheats.
03:53:14.000Like almost, like you'll think so much, some of these things are going to be so foreign.
03:53:17.000Those people that don't even know what OnlyFans freaking is.
03:53:20.000I would say that, however, we have a global audience, and guys from Australia, Canada, and remember the same problem.
03:53:29.000It's not a sample of the general population.
03:53:34.000It's not an accurate sample of the general population.
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03:59:13.000OGKingLife says, a 40-year-old talking about experience is like a car dealer trying to make me pay full price for a 20-year-old Honda van with a transmission about to go out.
03:59:23.000So you're saying you shouldn't be talking about this stuff.
03:59:25.000So a 20-year-old could come talk about experience.