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00:04:43.000Okay, ladies, give us your name, your age, what you do for a living, dating status, and if you want to, of course, your body count, and we'll start right here.
00:04:52.000So name, age, what you do for a living, dating status.
00:24:29.000So would you prefer a guy that provides everything for you but fucks some chicks on the side or he's loyal but he doesn't provide you anything?
00:26:06.000Honestly, I am happy with being able to support myself financially and everything, but I think I need to be with somebody that meets me financially.
00:26:18.000Congratulations for contradicting yourself.
00:26:21.000The original question is, do you want a guy that will provide for you?
00:32:21.000Because, honestly, men put up, like, with a lot of shit.
00:32:24.000So, men put up with nagging, you know, laziness, uncleanness, like, it's a lot of shit men put up with, so they just be like, hmm, I'll stick with it one day or, you know, find something else.
00:33:10.000So the stuff that makes you upset, cheating and stuff like that, that has nothing to do with the woman.
00:33:14.000As long as the woman is playing her role, a man's never really going to leave.
00:33:19.000Even as you age and you get uglier and stuff like that, we might get with the younger girl on the side, but I'm not going to abandon my girl.
00:33:35.000I think, on average, I think women are more emotionally mature.
00:33:37.000And I think that love, outside of, like, the fairytale bullshit, requires a lot of actual, like, emotional upkeep, a lot of emotional labor.
00:33:43.000I think a lot of guys can't put that in.
00:33:44.000I don't think feeling possessive or jealous is love, just because you get, like, really ass-mad if your woman does something, or if you get, like, really jealous or possessive, a woman doesn't mean you love her more.
00:33:52.000So, I think women, in general, are willing to put more emotional work in relationships.
00:34:11.000I think men love far more than women do, and I think men are closer to loving idealistically because men love women under far less conditions than women love men.
00:34:19.000That sounds like the opposite of love to me.
00:34:21.000If you love under far less conditions, that sounds like desperation.
00:34:24.000I don't want somebody that loves me for like one or two reasons or whatever, right?
00:34:27.000I want them to be a lot of reasons why they love me.
00:34:29.000But what I'm saying is that for a man to love a woman, she does not have to jump us through as many hoops and meet as many requirements as for a woman needs to love a man.
00:36:35.000See, the thing here is that, and the reason why I disagree, and I see where you're going with this saying that women have far more requirements, therefore they love harder because those requirements are harder to find.
00:36:43.000What I'm saying is that by having more requirements, that makes it where their love is 100% contingent upon that man's performance.
00:36:52.000So it's fleeting because if that guy loses what he had...
00:37:36.000So if you're talking about a man with very few requirements, and you're going to say, well, if you're not meeting the performance like a man to a woman, then she's going to leave you.
00:37:45.000Well, probably the same thing is true for the man as well.
00:37:56.000What would happen to a woman that you wouldn't be with her anymore?
00:38:01.000I guess if your standards are really low, then maybe you wouldn't care.
00:38:04.000But again, this isn't a man versus woman.
00:38:06.000This is high standards versus low standards.
00:38:07.000If your only standards are, I need you to cook and I guess not cheat on me, then sure.
00:38:11.000I mean, you can find a lot of people that will fit the bill.
00:38:12.000But then again, if I and my partner are side by side and we're asked to describe why do we love each other, and I say, okay, I really love my partner because she cooks really well and she's never fucked another guy where we're dating.
00:38:45.000Okay, well in that case, the unconditional love is going to be the one with the lower standards.
00:38:48.000So if you're a low standard guy, then sure, it's easier for you to love.
00:38:51.000And I mean, I see that you switched the point a little bit saying, no, like, you know, men, women love more because they have more standards.
00:38:57.000But my thing is, who's closer to unconditional love?
00:38:59.000And I would argue it's the men because we have far less conditions than women do.
00:39:03.000Well, in that case, the closest to unconditional love would be people with, like, Down syndrome or something, right?
00:39:17.000A lot of guys are retards when it comes to slugging.
00:39:21.000I would argue that women are far more selective than men and more intelligent when it comes to the mate selection process versus men are, quite frankly, a lot of the time stupid.
00:39:28.000They'll be with a girl that is using them, abusing them, treating them like shit, maybe yelling at them and telling them they're a loser, right?
00:40:13.000It blows me because you're supposed to grew up in Kendall and I grew up in Homestead and it's just like, wow, that's what that came out like.
00:44:02.000When you have a man that's confident, walks in a room and knows how to make something going and he's confident when he's talking to me, definitely that.
00:46:10.000When a girl says goal-driven, translation, goal-driven and something that will make some type of monetary compensation for me and you together.
00:46:31.000Your partner's going to give a fuck if you're the best League of Legends player ever because they can't participate in it.
00:46:34.000But even if you do shit like fucking art or painting or photography or something, there's something that they can participate in or appreciate and be like, oh, you're getting better at this.
00:46:42.000It's like a part of our life or something.
00:46:53.000It is monetary to some extent, because if you're just taking photographs all day and you're not publishing them anywhere, you don't put them in a gallery, or there's no actual reward system, there's no way to measure your success, then it's not actually goal-driven if you're just taking pictures every day and then hanging up on your wall.
00:47:15.000But I'm just saying that when somebody says they want something with goals, just because video gaming doesn't count, it doesn't mean they only want it to be monetary.
00:47:22.000Can you be a successful person that had their goals accomplished that wasn't monetary?
00:47:27.000I'm sure there are a lot of successful people that have goals or hobbies or things they do on the side that fucking George Bush paints pictures.
00:47:34.000Nobody considers George Bush a successful painter.
00:47:42.000Something that, I don't know, she said something that makes you happy.
00:47:44.000It could be something that makes you happy, something that you can just excel at, you can dump time into, that is like a non-person thing that you get a lot of joy and accomplishment from doing well in.
00:47:52.000I'll be honest, Destiny, even though that's ideal and that sounds good, I don't think men get to have that privilege of being able to do what they enjoy, be successful at it, without it making money like women can.
00:48:22.000A girl isn't really going to respect that if it doesn't bring him some kind of status or money versus a man is going to look down upon a woman for her hobbies to the same level because there's no burden on...
00:48:30.000You just have to be able to translate it to something that is appealing to them.
00:48:34.000You can say that a hobby that doesn't make money isn't going to attract anybody, but give any motherfucking loser a guitar and have him write a four chord song for a woman and she's going to like it.
00:48:43.000Or you play piano for a girl, or you do photography really well and you offer to take pictures for her Instagram or some shit, or you paint her a fucking picture, people like that shit 100%.
00:48:57.000For the girl, she's got to benefit somehow from your hobby.
00:49:01.000The man, you don't give a fuck about her hobby if it benefits him or not.
00:49:04.000But the woman always has to get a benefit from your hobby.
00:49:07.000Whether it's monetary compensation, you play video games when it makes money, or you having some kind of skill, you play music, you serenade or whatever, but it doesn't make any money, the woman must benefit.
00:49:16.000Whereas the woman can have a skill or a trait, do it, and the man ain't gonna give a fuck.
00:49:20.000How many girls do dumbass hobbies like, I make clothes, I do this, I do that?
00:49:24.000Yeah, I agree with what you're saying.
00:49:25.000You played a very clever game there where you changed it from that has to make a lot of money to, well, it has to make a lot of money or be emotionally satisfactory, which I will agree with you if you're going to amend the definition to that.
00:49:35.000I will say a majority of women are going to want the monetary compensation, and then there are some that will say, okay, it doesn't have to make money, but I got a benefit.
00:49:42.000You want to be a fucking shitty guitarist?
00:49:56.000If you're in a good relationship with somebody, a gift that comes from the heart, all that, can I say gay shit here?
00:50:03.000If you do all of that work and you put in something and you put together some special once in a lifetime fucking gift for somebody, that's a priceless gift.
00:53:01.000If a woman is into something so much, she's ignoring the guy, the guy's not going to be happy with that either, right?
00:53:05.000I mean, like, people want some bare minimum of attention, of course.
00:53:07.000But that applies for guys, men, girls.
00:53:09.000But for guys, it doesn't really happen because we know that for a girl to fall in love with us, we are going to be more lovable than whatever their hobby is.
00:53:15.000So we never have to compete with their Depop or their gardening because we know that she's eventually going to want our attention.
00:53:23.000Yeah, but a guy's going to want the attention of the girl too, to some extent.
00:53:27.000Have you ever felt like you needed to compete with a woman's hobby?
00:53:30.000I don't think men ever experience that.
00:53:32.000Because if your girl loves you, she's just gonna end up next to you.
00:53:36.000I don't know if women have the same type of self-destructive hobbies that men...
00:54:05.000Bruh, if I'm gonna be all the way 1,000 honest about this shit, if you take a typical attractive girl that's 22 years old and ask her, what are your hobbies, she's gonna say stupid shit like, I like to go shopping and hang out with friends.
00:54:15.000That might be true, but whose fault is that?
00:54:18.000When you earlier say a guy's expectation for a girl is to be young and cook.
00:54:21.000Well, of course, women aren't gonna do anything.
00:54:24.000But like, if you go and you talk to a lot of women, okay, outside of some of the circles here, maybe, you talk to a lot of women, you say, when you go on dates with guys, a lot of them will say, yeah, a lot of guys have no fucking hobbies, no interests either.
00:55:05.000Yo, I'm telling y'all, bro, I talk about this deeply in the book, how a lot of girls are not interesting as a byproduct of today's society where guys don't hold women to standards.
00:55:17.000Why would you self-improve if you got all the men that you wanted just for existing?
00:55:22.000Well, men for fucking, men for relationships, right?
00:55:25.000I think there's oftentimes, we don't draw the distinction on a lot of Red Pill or Manosphere talking points where we talk about, like, relationships versus fucking.
00:55:31.000Because we'll say these things all the time, like, women have access to everybody.
00:56:19.000But you still fall for it every single time.
00:56:21.000For a girl to have That's completely true.
00:56:28.000If a girl is sitting on a date and I'm just saying a bunch of garbage, talking about astrology, I'm talking about my feelings and my delusion and my whatever career that nobody cares about, she's going to be disgusted with me and she's not going to want to have sex with me.
00:56:39.000On the inverse, every guy can relate to this.
00:56:41.000Type one in the chat if you know what I'm talking about.
00:56:42.000You've been on a date and a girl starts talking about what she does, her crystals.
00:56:45.000She starts talking about what she believes in.
00:58:00.000Isn't part of the philosophy of this show that if you're a high-value man and you make a lot of money, you can do a whole bunch of fucking stupid shit and women will tolerate it?
00:58:55.000All you do is you buy yourself maybe one or two more mistakes versus a regular guy who would only have one mistake.
00:59:00.000If you got some money, you got some status, you show up, your shoes don't match, your outfit don't match, alright, I'll let that one slide because you got some clout.
00:59:08.000But your regular nigger show up, your socks don't match, whoa, fuck that!
00:59:12.000I think we've all seen the YouTube clips and compilations, I bet you've even laughed at them on this show, where some super fucking shredded 6'2 Giga Chat dude is walking outside asking girls creepy fucking questions, but they deal with it because the guy's really fucking hot.
00:59:26.000Like, I agree that there's gonna be a higher bar for women to fuck men than there is for men to fuck women for a variety of reasons, but I feel like you guys presented as so binary sometimes, like, a guy will fuck anything that fucking moves, which might be true, versus like, women will only fuck people they're ready to be soulmates with.
00:59:40.000If you've got a lot of money, if you've got a lot of status, if you've got a guy that's really hot, they can get away with some pretty creepy shit.
00:59:45.000There's the whole fucking meme where you've got, like, the guy that leans in and he's like, hey, Stacey, nice ass.
00:59:54.000Well, this whole thing I started with, um...
00:59:56.000It started with women conflating sexual attraction with relationship attraction.
01:00:01.000That's all I'm saying, is that girls will take the attention and the opportunities they get from men, think, I'm the shit, have a higher perceived sense of worth, and then apply that in all the other men they deal with.
01:00:13.000I've met girls that are very average, 5, 6, 7, cute, attractive, that have fucked millionaires, celebrities, athletes, etc.
01:00:22.000Then, they've had sex with them, maybe hung out with them for a weekend, got flewed out, whatever the fuck it is.
01:00:26.000Then they go back into the dating marketplace and think, well, I attracted and I had sex with this caliber of guy.
01:00:32.000I deserve this caliber of guy as a boyfriend or a serious counterpart.
01:00:37.000And it skews their perception of reality as to where they really stand in the dating marketplace.
01:00:42.000Because thanks to the internet, thanks to dating apps, etc., women have access to higher status men that they would otherwise never have access to.
01:00:48.000So they go back to the regular dating marketplace, and regular guys are no longer good for them.
01:00:55.000That a woman fucks a guy who earns six figures, and then goes back to her job at Applebee's, and she's like, I'm only going to pair up with a six figure.
01:01:17.000But it does elevate the standard by which she will compare all other men after the fact because women are very impressionable Creatures, so to speak.
01:01:26.000How many men have made dumb comments about, like, I wish my current girlfriend had as big boobs as the last one, or my last chick did this shit?
01:01:34.000You can have a bad bitch and still want to have some strange on Wednesday.
01:01:37.000Women can rarely go back and regress from a sexual market standpoint once they deal with a certain caliber of a guy.
01:01:43.000I don't even think it's true from the data.
01:01:45.000There was some poll I saw where it's like, I think it's like 45% of women say that the best sex in their life wasn't even with their husbands.
01:02:49.000But I think there are a lot of, if you go talk to normal fucking people, I've said like the world of YouTube and shit, there are lots of average men with average women.
01:02:55.000Most people date and marry within their class, within their education, within their race, within their geographic region.
01:03:01.000That happens to like 95% of people around the fucking world.
01:03:04.000Why are the marriage rates declining so much?
01:03:06.000Marriage rates are declining for a whole bunch of reasons that don't have to do with the one-dimensional analysis of a woman fucked a celebrity one time on Instagram and now she won't go back to another guy.
01:03:14.000It's not just the celebrity thing, but it's all of hypergamy.
01:04:17.000I just want to hear, for the record, for you three to answer this, what percentage of college women do you think are being flown around the world to fuck?
01:06:00.000So, if a girl has a basic internet profile, right, and she's somewhat attractive and has some Instagram or maybe even a Tinder or a Bumble, etc., she is going to have...
01:06:10.000Hundreds, if not thousands of options, whereas 20, 30 years ago, before the advent of social media and the internet, she would have had to go outside to get that same level.
01:06:18.000She would have had to put herself together, go to a nightclub, put herself in a social situation, etc.
01:06:22.000But nowadays, she could sit at home, put some pictures up, and get the same level of attention, if not 10 times more, from men all over the country, all over the world.
01:06:30.000Now, am I saying that every girl is going to bite on it and actually get flewed out by some blue star, blue check rapper?
01:07:18.000And I want men as a choice, not necessarily a necessity like 50 years ago.
01:07:22.000I'm going to pick the best I can absolutely get and not settle for less, which is why a lot of women feel as though I make 100 grand per year.
01:07:54.000Maybe Sneeko is perusing Florida State University girls on Instagram.
01:08:00.000The average pretty hot girls on Instagram are not like...
01:08:02.000I feel like you guys think that 25% of girls wake up in the morning, take some pictures of their feet for OnlyFans, make $500 doing that.
01:08:10.000They get on Tinder, they get a free steak dinner, they go to class, they plan their Friday, Saturday around which guy is going to fly around.
01:08:15.000And that's like a quarter of girls on college campus.
01:08:18.000And then to what you were saying about how like, oh, well girls are, you know, the one...
01:08:21.000The ones that aren't international, they're just fucking the top guys on their college campuses.
01:08:25.000What's the difference between that now and over the past 100 years?
01:08:27.000There have always been top men in every area of life.
01:08:30.000You're never in an area in life where it's just one guy and one girl and you're isolated from everybody else.
01:08:34.000You're always in jobs where there are bosses and managers and CEOs.
01:08:37.000You're always in colleges or schools where there are top performing students or athletes.
01:08:40.000You're always in communities where there are the leaders of the community.
01:08:43.000This has always been the history What I'm saying is that it's opened up and it used to be a dating marketplace where it was just localized.
01:09:02.000And I'm not saying they're actually going out and flying with these guys, but they have the option to do it.
01:09:06.000And that does a lot for a person's psyche when they know this is the caliber of guy that's reaching out to me.
01:09:10.000You know, I'm gonna put that in my back pocket and use that validation to make myself feel a certain way.
01:09:14.000And this is why girls, again, in the book, I talk about this explicitly.
01:09:17.000Women on Tinder and Bubble, they spend several hours on the site.
01:09:22.000However, most girls never either don't swipe right or they never actually go on a date, but they spend a ridiculous amount of time on Tinder.
01:14:34.000You're just going to make the opportunity happen.
01:14:35.000Let's ask them how they fill up with this whole dating topic of dating apps and Instagram.
01:14:39.000Wait, let me say one final thing, and then you can go around, okay?
01:14:41.000You said something earlier that I 100% agree with, and I wish people would focus on it more.
01:14:44.000I think for the majority of human history, men needed to bring one thing to the table to get almost any girl they wanted, and that's an income.
01:14:50.000That was the only fucking work that we had to put in.
01:14:52.000Whereas women, from birth, are trained to do a lot of things around the household.
01:14:55.000Usually, especially in more traditional countries, like women are cleaning the house, they're taking care of siblings, they're doing all this shit, you know, they're being trained by mom, and the boys are treated as little princes.
01:15:05.000They have to do good in school, and they gotta do that shit.
01:15:07.000For the most part, like men just need to get a job and then you get a woman because women can't work.
01:15:11.000But now that women have finally gotten to work, right?
01:15:13.000Women have also been putting in all this work like emotionally to figure out how to manage their friends and do all that bullshit or whatever stuff that men traditionally care about because we didn't have to.
01:15:20.000But now we're in the world where we go out to the dating market.
01:15:54.000No, if you're going to become a high earner, you need to be clean, you need to have a nice place.
01:15:59.000No, you don't have to do any of that shit.
01:16:00.000The average high earner now is a fucking schizoid work-from-home tech bro in San Francisco that probably wears the same outfit for a week straight because he doesn't have to go outside ever.
01:19:21.000Like, if you're ugly and you go up to a girl in person, at least you can make up for it with charisma, status, maybe you are charming, dress well, you smell well.
01:19:28.000But on a dating app, it's only your picture.
01:20:13.000I was going to say, I think the dating app matters.
01:20:15.000Like, if a girl's on Tinder, she probably knows that the people that are looking more to fuck than if she's on, like, fucking Bumble or some other shit.
01:23:45.000And yeah, honestly, I think even with Instagram and stuff, I think it's not really exactly like it's not too much of a dating spectrum on social media.
01:23:54.000I think most guys that are in my DMs, I think most guys that are in my DMs, I mostly ignore.
01:25:15.000So right now, if there's like a B-list Hollywood celeb listening right now, he could fuck all of these women's lives up by just sending them all the DMs saying, hey, what's up?
01:25:24.000Not fuck the lives up, but change their standards.
01:26:17.000But, like, a normal dude that is, like, really charismatic, that can make a girl laugh, make somebody feel special, listen, pay attention to conversations, all this shit, you can absolutely pull it.
01:26:25.000Even if she's talked to and fucked, Five different fucking celebrities.
01:26:28.000That guy now has to work harder to get that girl because she thinks, I'm here.
01:27:39.000We can't comment completely on her situation, but even that, the stats aren't true.
01:27:43.000I've seen those exact numbers that you're talking about, and what you guys say is, this is the talking point you say, the women that stay in relationships the longest are the ones that have zero partners, and then it goes up for divorce rates for one partner.
01:27:56.000But if you keep watching that graph, it goes up for two, but then it drops after three, four, five, six, seven, and then it takes it until they get to eight partners until the divorce rate.
01:28:05.000Six is the one that goes up significantly.
01:28:07.000But I think eight is when it gets past the two mark, is when it gets past that point.
01:28:11.000So it's not just that having more keeps it...
01:28:13.000Having more partners makes you more likely to break up because you've had more partners.
01:28:16.000It could be the case that if you've only had like zero or one or two partners, maybe you just got really fucking lucky and you found like the one early on.
01:28:23.000You found the perfect fucking girl or guy when you're 18 or 19.
01:28:25.000And now you're contributing to that stat of like, oh, I've only had like zero or one partner and I'm together forever.
01:28:29.000Or it could be people that are like, I'm fucking super religious.
01:28:33.000I don't really want to fuck more because I'm a horrible fucking slut, whatever, antichrist.
01:28:37.000And they end up staying in relationships longer than they don't like.
01:28:40.000There's a lot of other things that go into that as well.
01:28:42.000But you guys never explain why is it that a woman who's had three sexual partners is more likely to stand in a relationship than one with two.
01:28:48.000Or one with four is more likely than one with three.
01:29:20.000A more honest analysis, when you're looking at data like that, is people with zero to two partners are probably people that are incredibly selective, maybe people with really traditional religious backgrounds, and therefore probably are more likely to stay in relationships in the long term, even if they're not happy.
01:29:34.000When you get to the six, seven plus, these are probably people that like to fuck around a lot, that don't really care about the sanctity of marriage or any of that shit, so they're probably more likely to divorce if they get married.
01:29:42.000I think that that's a more fair analysis than saying, once a girl's had six dick I think that's more fair.
01:29:49.000Everything comes back to the totality of the circumstance.
01:29:51.000So like what I said before, as far as like girls wanting, having a lot of options or whatever, and then not settling or wanting a guy that's way above them, it comes back to, that's why I said, not only dating apps, not only Instagram, not only social media, but also feminism coming in and girls making their own money has played a significant role in that.
01:30:08.000So I look at it from a holistic standpoint.
01:30:10.000Like, yes, what you're saying before is like, one or two, yes, more than likely she's going to be religious.
01:30:13.000I agree, because when a girl is more religious, she has these certain buffers in place to keep her from being super promiscuous because these are things that used to be in place before.
01:30:20.000But what I am saying is that for most women, those things aren't necessarily a buffer anymore.
01:30:36.000Yeah, because so we're talking about blue checks and oh, it's easier for a girl to fuck a guy with a blue check and this and this and that.
01:30:43.000Half of these people out here that are blue check verified are just bullshitted blue check verified.
01:30:48.000You have a kid and like a 20 year old, what is it, prospect athlete that has a fucking blue check.
01:30:55.000What makes you think I'm going to respond back to his DM because he's a blue check?
01:31:24.000And since you get contact and attention and potentially even resources from that caliber guy, and then you also got the simp that's walking up to you, giving you flowers for nothing more than you exist.
01:31:32.000Then you got a couple other guys on dating apps saying, I'll take you, I'll fly you here, whatever.
01:31:35.000I'm not saying you actually enact on all the opportunities given to you.
01:31:37.000What I am saying is that those opportunities change how you view the world and more importantly, how you view men.
01:32:08.000Is that we live in a simp economy and a good amount of women are taking advantage of it.
01:32:13.000And not only that, in taking advantage of it, they tend to have a higher perceived status of where they stand.
01:32:18.000Because they got a lot of guys that are hitting them up, which quite frankly, you go back 57 years ago, a girl would be lucky to get two guys that come up to her that are worthy.
01:32:25.000Now, she might get 200 guys that come up to her that are worthy.
01:32:39.000Do you think that women have dealt with a similar pressure for a long time because of beauty standards set in media and because of pornographic standards?
01:32:47.000Do you think that they feel standards to compete against those women on TV or...
01:32:51.000There's been that one even before porn and before TV. You know what?
01:32:53.000That's a fantastic point you brought up, Destiny.
01:35:10.000So all I'm saying is that a lot of girls fall into the category of how I felt for that 10 minutes, where I felt like I was on top of the world.
01:35:16.000Now imagine getting that a year, two years, three years, since the time you're 15 years old and you're going through puberty and guys are hitting you up and it's compounding with the internet.
01:35:23.000It would make you have a certain type of mindset where people need to improve, people need to impress me.
01:35:28.000That's all I'm saying, is that a lot of girls...
01:35:31.000Have this compounding effect of getting a lot of attention, feeling like they're special, etc.
01:35:36.000And then they come on this podcast and I tell them, alright, well you want a high status guy that has money, whatever, you gotta share them with other girls.
01:37:32.000A woman of average looks, regardless of where she's located geographically, gets way more attention than the average man gets anywhere else.
01:37:40.000That's true, but this has always been true.
01:37:42.000Yes, but now it's scaled to another level.
01:37:45.000It's multiplied to another degree, bro.
01:37:47.000Here's another thing I'll float out there.
01:37:49.000I think that as men, okay, and I can speak from experience now because I have fucking blue hair, okay?
01:38:07.000For women that are fucking past the age of 13, 14, random guys shouting at you from a truck or catcalling you or saying, I don't think it's blowing your ego up as much as...
01:38:17.000Yeah, because it's at some point or even it comes off as creepy or annoying.
01:38:22.000Yeah, and I'm not saying that they don't like, you know, cancel a lot of guys that talk to them.
01:38:26.000But what I am saying is that when you get attention for that long, you don't value it anymore.
01:38:30.000When you don't value it anymore, but it still props you up in a certain light where I think I'm the show.
01:38:35.000So as a guy, you have to try harder than just like saying a girl's hair or dress looks nice to actually get her to pay attention to you.
01:38:40.000Well, she has to like you for that to make sense, because anybody can say that to her, but if she likes you, okay, I heard it from the guy I actually like.
01:41:14.000As men are problem solvers, if in the future we could make a woman that could satisfy our needs, what would the bimbos bring to value a man's life?
01:41:43.000I mean, there's a really complicated feedback loop between what we do in society and what our entertainment tells us to do, right?
01:41:48.000Where society influences the entertainment, entertainment influences society.
01:41:52.000I think that in general, I don't like it when men advocate for settling down with a woman with a low body count while telling you to fuck as much as you can through your early and mid-twenties.
01:42:03.000I don't think you can create a world that is actively serving like a counter purpose to what you're looking for later in life because you're not training for those relationships and because you're, I guess, destroying all of the women that you fuck your way through as not being good enough for the men in your audience that you would say should be looking for low body count women in the future.
01:42:17.000But can you also agree that if I have no experience and I meet a woman, how would I ever be able to be a good fit for her?
01:42:51.000You'd think it does because you've never talked to a woman like that in your life.
01:42:54.000You're not going to find a religious woman, a conservative woman at 22 years old, 23 years old that has never fucked a guy before that wants to go and be in a relationship with a fuckboy who's got like a three-digit body count.
01:43:04.000In general, that's not going to be the case.
01:45:29.000A guy can be delusional, like, this girl's changed, and then she's, like, an annoying bitch, and you have to break up with her.
01:45:34.000And a girl can be delusional, like, I think this guy's changed, and then she fucking, you know, gets her throat cut by some crazy fucking dude.
01:45:56.000But it feels like, this is always the issue I have, it feels like you guys want those types of women.
01:45:59.000You want women with low responsibilities whose only attractive features are they cook and they're young, so of course they're going to be delusional.
01:46:05.000Of course they have no accountability.
01:46:06.000You don't give them any accountability.
01:46:15.000I feel like the things online blowing up for guys, like fucking trade this NFT, this crypto thing, buy this fucking digital monkey and you'll be rich.
01:46:21.000I feel like guys fall for a lot of this shit online, too.
01:46:23.000I think there's a lot of delusion there.
01:46:24.000I mean, that's true, but I'm talking about within the confinements of intersexual dynamics, not get rich.
01:46:30.000I'm sure we can find areas where guys are less delusional than women, sure.
01:46:32.000Yeah, but I'm talking about strictly from dealing with the opposite gender.
01:46:35.000Men are a little bit more pragmatic and understand, okay, if I don't rise to a certain level, I'm not going to get a girl.
01:46:42.000But whereas women are like, I'm going to get a guy no matter what.
01:46:44.000I mean, women walk around and say, take me how I am, versus guys kind of understand if I'm a fat, pot-smoking loser, no girl's going to have sex with me more than likely.
01:46:51.000And that is shown through stats and them not getting laid, them not getting dates.
01:46:55.000Men deal with the consequences of their poor decisions.
01:46:57.000Women don't when it comes to intersection dynamics.
01:49:31.000What about, well, you said earlier that you disqualified your guy.
01:49:34.000Was there anything, was it strictly the body count, or was it something else?
01:49:38.000Maybe he smelled weird, and then he said that, and that was the, you know, the straw that broke the camel's back, or was it like he was attractive in all regards, he was your dream man, and then he said, yo, I fucked 52 bitches, and you're like, nah, I'm good.
01:52:42.000No, but what Myron was saying was he was good enough when she met him, and then she took him to the clinic.
01:52:51.000If he was her dream guy, and then if she would have asked him, she would have said, okay.
01:52:57.000So here's another point to add to Myron's part as well.
01:52:59.000So that being said, if you're going to say, okay, you get it with a body count, if he was successful, good looking, and actually got a value, you'd be like, you know what?
01:56:37.000I can't speak for how pathetic maybe some of the people in your guys' orbit are, but if you've got 50 million fucking girls on Instagram, you're not thirsting over every single fucking woman, right?
01:56:44.000When I was like 19 years old, turning down a woman would be really hard, right?
01:56:48.000At 34, I've got a million fucking random girls that hit me up on every platform.
01:57:36.000You just said men, you said earlier that broke men cheat on their women.
01:57:40.000No, there's a lot of bums out there that don't give a fuck about the girl and that's why the girl loves them because she's not giving her a lot of attention.
02:01:16.000I don't mean to make her a case study on this, but I don't know if you guys noticed.
02:01:20.000She's been flip-flopping her answers based on how she feels at the moment that we ask her the question.
02:01:24.000And this is what I mean when I say that women, a lot of the times, Make their answers based on how they feel when a particular question is asked or how they feel at the moment of the environment around them, right?
02:01:34.000I think there's something to be said for how confidently men will answer questions, though, when they don't know what they're talking about, right?
02:01:40.000So she's obviously, like, waffling back and forth, but you'll have a guy, like, really confidently say some shit, like, I'd never date a woman who's 24 with a body count of 50, but I guarantee you, he might say that, but if the right girl walks through that door and she's a fucking 9 or 10, like, the guy will suck it up and do it 100%.
02:01:54.000So even though a guy might give a confident answer, given the right circumstance, he'll probably be willing to bend or change too, I think.
02:02:09.000He's not going to flip-flop and, I don't know how I feel about this, and then, like, let their feelings go ahead 100%, like, dictate how they're going to answer a question.
02:02:15.000But I'm pretty concrete on the fact that...
02:03:34.000I mean, I wouldn't like it, but, you know, humans are unique and there's different situations and, you know, there is, like, there has to be a respect towards me, you know, about it.
02:04:06.000I want to say that answer, I would be careful, because women will say that, but as soon as you guys get into a fight, and he's talking about women, and he's like, man, I got into a fight with Tony today, oof, that shit goes fucking crazy.
02:04:16.000Well, that's where the respect comes in.
02:04:43.000That's why when you look at your guy, and every single time, it's like some fucking NASA GPS repositions his phone every time you look over him.
02:04:50.000It's because he knows he's doing something dumb.
02:05:17.000Let's say you're dating a guy, and then you find out that he's got not just a high body count, but all of the female friends around him, or a lot of them, he's fucked them.
02:05:23.000Would you be okay with him, like, still being friends and DMing them and stuff like that as you guys are dating?
02:05:37.000Like, no, like, really though, like, if I'm with you, like, you okay with me being cool with my nigga friends and I'm fucking my niggas, like, my nigga friends, like...
02:05:48.000Like, I'm just saying, like, be for real, like, you okay with me fucking my homeboys and you still, like, I'm still cool with my homeboys and you want me to still be cool with you fucking your homegirls and y'all cool and tight?
02:06:01.000Alright, let me ask you a question, though.
02:06:26.000If you're with a man, your boyfriend, fiance, whatever, you love him, you respect him, Would it even come to your mind to have sex with other dudes?
02:06:34.000No, I don't want to have sex with nobody else.
02:07:08.000So that's all I'm saying is because you were trying to say it's equal, like, oh, well, that's like me having sex with my homeboys, and I'm trying to say it's not because you don't really want to have sex with them if you're with a man that you love.
02:07:16.000Versus he's with you, he loves you, but he definitely still wants to have sex with his homegirls.
02:08:19.000Well, my question to you is, I want to try to get a direct answer here, is knowing that most men want to have sex with most girls, I'm saying if you're with the guy that you love and you respect, are you willing to put up with that?
02:08:35.000Knowing that there's a high likelihood it'll happen.
02:08:37.000I'm not for you, if you want to do that.
02:09:30.000But I'm just saying those wants are two different things.
02:09:32.000So, like, when you say, would you want to be with a man who wants to fuck other women?
02:09:35.000Well, if you sound like it's natural that every guy, like, has a fantasy or desire to, that's different than it's natural that every man will cheat.
02:09:41.000Yeah, but under the context of the conversation, how we pretexted him talking to those other girls and potentially having sex, I mean, I would assume she would infer that.
02:09:48.000But I'm saying, like, a woman saying that, like, I want a man that doesn't want any other woman, she's either retarded or that sentence makes perfect sense.
02:12:14.000So the only reason I ask is because I think that sometimes when we ask questions, especially poll questions, I think that sometimes the answers can be a little bit one-dimensional.
02:12:22.000So earlier we talked about how many partners does a person have and are they likely to divorce?
02:12:26.000And it's like zero and one are the best number of partners to have.
02:12:28.000And it's like, well, it could be that they're religiously, they found the one.
02:12:32.000And then same thing with this, does a girl care about a guy with a 50 or 100 body count?
02:12:37.000Typically, if you ask a girl, they're not going to say they care.
02:12:39.000But realistically, if you're known in a community as a fuckboy or if you've got a lot of girls you're talking to and your girlfriend finds out because you're not going to tell her that you fuck those girls because no guy will say that.
02:12:48.000But if she finds out that you were fucking one of those girls, like there are a lot of problems tend to crop up to where the high body count guys do run into issues.
02:12:55.000You're just not going to show up like a polling question.
02:13:00.000Okay, but that man, okay, that's a good point, but that man is inherently attractive to women.
02:13:09.000Yeah, but like, and I always find it funny, like a guy that can fuck a lot of girls, girls will sit here and lie and be like, I don't want a guy that has sex with a lot of girls, or I don't want a guy to be a whore, as they would say.
02:13:18.000But the reality is, those guys are the most attractive, and those are the guys that women find irresistible, because if you're charming to one girl, well, women aren't really that special.
02:13:25.000You could be charming to a large majority of them as well.
02:13:27.000It's like you're constantly playing these calculation games in your head, trying to figure out who you want.
02:13:31.000So, like, for a woman, like, the perfect guy would be, right, a guy that's super attractive, but is, like, blind, doesn't see any other woman, right?
02:13:37.000And that's where the delusion comes in.
02:13:39.000Like, I don't want to use her as an example, but she said, oh, yeah, I know most guys are not going to be monogamous, but I expect monogamy.
02:13:44.000Well, sure, but also most attractive women aren't going to be a virgin until 24, right?
02:13:50.000The guy's got to be fairly aware of that, too, that most girls are not.
02:13:54.000I would argue that most girls, if you take an average 21-year-old female and an average 21-year-old male, the average 21-year-old female is going to be far more sexually experienced than the average 21-year-old male.
02:14:05.000Women just get more practice by virtue of being a woman, of dealing with opposite gender, which makes them a lot better at dealing with men than men are dealing with women.
02:14:16.000I'm not even gonna let y'all like in this day and age It's a known fact.
02:15:19.000Your point of view, the guys that you know do that, but the whole landscape of men around the world, especially the West, definitely don't get laid.
02:15:27.000And as well, your local CVS and MAS, your local...
02:15:30.000Wait, did you say the vast majority of men don't get laid?
02:17:39.000Well, because mine, I'll tell you mine, I think that an average clouded dude on YouTube, an average clouded dude, if he was trying, could easily fuck over 50 women a year.
02:18:35.000You're kind of looking at it from a black and white standpoint.
02:18:38.000You gotta remember that there's high status guys that struggle with women and there's guys that are lower status that still fuck a bunch of girls.
02:18:44.000The thing is that the Here's the thing.
02:19:37.000There are bums that can get girls, and there's guys that have money that can get girls, and it goes the other way around, where there's bums that can get girls, and then there's guys that have status that can't get girls.
02:19:45.000You think a decently clouded guy, and it could be the case, I think a decently clouded guy on YouTube, he doesn't have to be the most rizzed out guy ever, but he's not fucking autistic, that this guy would desperately fuck any possible woman that talked to him.
02:19:56.000He wouldn't be able to say no to anyone.
02:19:57.000I'm saying, if he's at a party with friends, his girl's there, oh, she's kind of cute, alright, I'll do it.
02:20:02.000Kind of cute is different than busted girl that puts in no effort.
02:20:06.000Because, like, a kind of cute girl that's putting in minimal effort is still spending fucking 30 minutes on her hair, 30 minutes on makeup, is doing all sorts of shit.
02:20:11.000You're forgetting a man's natural inclination to one I'm, like, just supposed to not.
02:20:16.000Yeah, but the natural inclination changes based on what's available to you.
02:22:45.000There are like 20 girls right now that I could fly out if I wanted to tonight to fuck and never see them again and they'd be totally cool with it.
02:22:51.000But that's because I'm super upfront right at the start.
02:22:52.000When I talk to people, I'm fucking married.
02:22:57.000And I know there are other guys that are super cladded up on YouTube that can do it as well.
02:23:01.000But when you guys are playing all these weird fucking games, you're like, oh, like you're trying to like maneuver or do fucking riz or whatever.
02:24:11.000I'll say the last thing I'll say and then you can do whatever because I don't want to go back.
02:24:14.000I agree with you that women will play games, but more often than not, just from the DMs that I've seen, from the people, women, and men that I talk to, it's usually because the guys are playing games too.
02:24:23.000If you're up front, you might get shot down immediately.
02:24:25.000But if you're up front and she's up front, usually things are okay.
02:24:28.000But if you're playing games, you're saying like, good morning, hearts, blah, blah, blah.
02:25:24.000From experience of women playing the game first.
02:25:26.000I'm just saying that if you're a guy and you're trying to fuck women that are only looking for relationships, who's starting the game there?
02:25:33.000I mean, you also gotta look at human nature.
02:25:35.000Human beings are creatures of the path of least resistance.
02:25:38.000If guys can get away with grossly propositioning girls for sex up front, they wouldn't play the game.
02:25:42.000I'm not saying the normal guy can do that.
02:25:44.000To be clear, to reiterate, we were talking about 10% high value, man.
02:25:46.000Because the original claim was that a high value guy will fuck a girl that puts in zero effort.
02:25:50.000Well, I would date a girl initially, and then I said, not date, fuck, but even for fucking, a busted top 20% girl is not gonna go and fuck a whole bunch of high-value men.
02:25:58.000It's just not gonna happen, because those guys have options.
02:26:00.000Or at least from what I've seen, but I don't know, maybe it's different worlds, I guess.
02:26:05.000I'm just saying, men have to play games because women start the games first.
02:26:08.000Trust me, human beings are creatures of least resistance.
02:26:10.000If we could get sex just by saying, let's have sex, they would.
02:26:13.000Now, going back to the higher status thing, Yes, it will drop it off.
02:26:16.000Maybe not a 95% failure rate, maybe a 90% failure rate, maybe even an 80% failure rate if the guy's attracted to that girl and she knows him and watches his content.
02:26:23.000But regardless, the girl's still gonna want something in return.
02:26:25.000Women rarely exchange sex without some type of competition where there's time, resources, feeling special, and experience, etc.
02:26:32.000Okay, so then just a question, yes or no, and I'm done with this.
02:27:27.000You guys don't think you could find a girl to fuck no strings attached to your DMs if you were to be up front like, hey, do you want to like meet tonight and just like hook up?
02:27:36.000I mean, possibly, but I wouldn't do it that way.
02:28:18.000Here's how you're messing it up, because you're acting like, oh, if you DM and you go seek it out, it's not like you want to put in the effort.
02:28:24.000Sometimes it's just available, and then you do it.
02:28:26.000Or, like, say she's in the kitchen or something, and then you decide to whip it.
02:28:28.000But, like, the effort, or calling her an Uber, some random girl that said, let's fuck, there's something unattractive about that.
02:28:33.000The scenario that you're presenting is just kind of, eh.
02:28:37.000Overall, men still would fuck anything, but it depends on the circumstance.
02:28:40.000This is what I joke about on our stream, okay?
02:28:43.000You watch some YouTube shit and it'll blackpill you.
02:28:45.000If you want to get really blackpilled, you talk to attractive women and you see how they live their lives.
02:28:50.000The attention they get, the world they live in can be mindfucking.
02:28:54.000You're living a totally different existence.
02:28:55.000But the ultimate level of blackpill, in my opinion, is seeing really attractive men that are in denial about how much they could pull with very little effort.
02:29:04.000Because all three of you I know could slay like fucking crazy with minimal riz between the way you guys look, between the clout you have, between the money you've got, the status you've got.
02:30:04.000I mean, we totally veered off this topic.
02:30:07.000This is going off of, like, when you guys were saying that women, you know, they play the games first.
02:30:11.000I guess what I'm trying to wrap my head around is, you know, if women play games first, don't you think that's because, let's say, hypothetically, they were straight up and said, you know, I want to fuck?
02:30:21.000There's a certain view that you guys portray on us.
02:30:35.000Well, I mean, it's up to the girl, but...
02:30:37.000The thing is, with women, is that the reason why they play the game is, yes, there's social consequences.
02:30:42.000If a girl goes up to a guy and says, I want to just fuck, well, that guy might not respect her or take her seriously.
02:30:46.000And then on top of that, why would a girl go ahead and say, oh, let's just fuck, when in reality, she can get a date out of him, she can get a resource out of him, she can get attention out of him, she can take time from him.
02:31:25.000I'm not saying women shouldn't or should not, but what I am saying is that most girls play the game by virtue of this more beneficial to play the game than to be straight up.
02:31:33.000And men, in return, must play the game because when a man, and this is statistically, this has been proven, when a man sees an attractive woman, the part of his brain that actually starts to activate is the part of the brain that tries to figure out how to fix things.
02:33:06.000No, because they know inherently that that's where their value stems.
02:33:09.000So you're acting in this hypothetical world that's never going to exist.
02:33:12.000This blue pill world where we don't give a fuck about body count at all.
02:33:14.000There's no point because this is biology.
02:33:17.000Your body count matters if you're a woman.
02:33:19.000So that's a hypothetical that makes no sense.
02:33:21.000Men used to be the predominant contributors to slut-shaming women, but I think in today's day and age, you can't get away with it.
02:33:27.000If you slut-shame girls all the time, it's just a matter of time until you get canceled, fired, or whatever.
02:33:31.000A regular guy can't run around slut-shaming girls 50 years past.
02:33:34.000No, but I don't want to use slut-shaming because it's a whole other thing.
02:33:36.000But I'm saying men in general will keep body counts in mind.
02:33:38.000If they didn't care, don't you think women would care less?
02:33:42.000Because there's a lot of women that, like, you can't be ultra up front because, like, the woman wants to be a little bit of visual because she doesn't want to seem like a whore.
02:33:48.000Even if she just doesn't want to fuck.
02:34:44.000I was just saying basically because he was just like a woman wouldn't want to fuck.
02:34:47.000I mean, he was saying basically a man wouldn't want to fuck a woman with a lot of bodies.
02:34:51.000But basically that takes me back to my point earlier as to my personal preference as to why I don't want to fuck a man with a lot of bodies.
02:35:03.000You don't have a valid reason why it makes you uncomfortable.
02:35:05.000I have a valid reason why it makes me uncomfortable.
02:35:08.000And I told you mentally, it makes me uncomfortable to know that the fact that you stuck your dick in 52 different vaginas, it makes me uncomfortable to know that you, out of those 52 times, could have messed up and either taken home an STI. Because once again, yes, you can...
02:35:30.000Your feeling of disgust is kind of manufactured in your own head versus a man feeling disgusted by a girl being a whore is like hardwired into them.
02:35:45.000If you ask for a girl, tightest pussy she's ever had, unchanged completely, 50 dicks, but she's got no STIs, she's got no fucking pregnancy, everything is 100%.
02:36:12.000But she's the only one that actually had a point of contention with a man's body count and would be willing to disqualify him for it, which I think is a important distinction.
02:37:21.000Men and women, humans are not designed to be promiscuous, right?
02:37:24.000You have R series and K series reproductive strategies.
02:37:26.000For humans, the reproductive strategy is heavy investment into offspring.
02:37:30.000Reproductively, a woman is not looking for a guy that wants to have 20 different fucking kids because that guy's not going to have the time, attention, or resources for that woman.
02:37:36.000So a woman is looking for a monogamous guy just as much as a guy is looking for a monogamous woman.
02:37:39.000Well, this is where we go into the two parts, right?
02:37:42.000She wants a guy that's going to invest in her and her kids.
02:37:44.000However, the traits that she's actually aroused by are traits that don't show that you're going to be a long-term good partner.
02:37:51.000Dark triad traits, being a narcissist, being very self-centered and selfish to a degree, the bad boy tendencies.
02:37:57.000That's what women are actually aroused by.
02:37:59.000I don't think women are aroused by bad boy shit.
02:38:01.000I think people say bad boy shit, but I think what she said earlier, they're looking for confidence.
02:38:07.000If you've got a meek fucking timid dude that's online all day typing shit, and you've got another guy that's out there doing his own shit or whatever, even if you say he's a little dark trite, his confidence is gonna sell it more than anything else.
02:38:16.000Confidence is equated to being an asshole.
02:38:17.000Confidence is definitely equated to being a bad boy.
02:38:18.000When you think of a bad boy, you think of a confident person.
02:38:59.000They might say, oh, I want a leader, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, or dark triad, or a bad boy.
02:39:03.000But at the end of the day, it's a proxy for confidence.
02:39:05.000Because if you take a bad boy drug dealer, but he's also like a shy, meek, and not all drug dealers are like fucking Chad tatted up, fucking three years in prison for doing some crazy shit.
02:39:13.000There's a lot of fucking losers that sell drugs and shit too.
02:39:14.000A woman's not going to be attracted to a bad boy drug dealer that also plays League of Legends 12 hours a day She's looking for something that is confident.
02:39:21.000A lot of bad boys or criminal people can be confident.
02:39:27.000I'm happy to address the other part as well.
02:39:31.000But the simple argument is that men are hardwired, right, to be repulsed by promiscuity versus women are not hardwired to be repulsed by male promiscuity.
02:39:39.000Well, the most attractive men since the beginning of time have always had harems and hordes of women versus high-status men will not tolerate and or wife up a girl that has been a whore.
02:40:30.000He would if she was higher status than him.
02:40:32.000But if I ask him and I put him in a room, listen, bro.
02:40:35.000Would you prefer your girl be monogamous to you or step out?
02:40:39.000He would say, I wish she was monogamous to me.
02:40:41.000He just doesn't have the authority and the ability to get her in line, which is why I tell guys all the time, you need to be the leader in the relationship so that you can dictate the terms on what you want because what you want is naturally what she wants.
02:40:53.000But most guys don't have that value, so they can't tell their girl, I don't want you to go and fuck other guys or whatever.
02:40:58.000They just have to take it because the girl has higher status than them.
02:41:00.000So Destiny, you're saying that, for example, Nick Cannon is enslaving his women?
02:41:11.000When you're talking about historically harems, you're talking about like the protected elite class where like upper class women would be like sheltered into areas that were reserved specifically for like the higher class like kings, rulers, the aristocrats of the day.
02:41:23.000But it's not like those women were like, oh yes, I want to go and check up with them.
02:41:25.000That was just the organization of society that was, I think we know, can I say patriarchal without it like triggering people?
02:41:30.000Like it was like male dominated society, like women couldn't even fucking vote, right?
02:41:33.000Okay, well, now I would say things are very egalitarian, and the reality is that a man that can have sex with a lot of women isn't necessarily as unattractive as a woman that has had sex with a lot of men.
02:41:42.000I mean, Destiny, that's kind of straightforward, man.
02:41:44.000A man that has had sex with a lot of women is more attractive.
02:41:47.000A woman that has had sex with a lot of dudes loses value.
02:41:51.000A man that has had sex with a lot of women has proven his value.
02:41:55.000Yeah, kind of, because a guy has to do effort to have sex with a lot of women.
02:42:27.000Even though you've had a lot of sex, that sex is a proxy for something else.
02:42:30.000Same thing with a guy that has the game and the confidence to fuck 100 women but hasn't fucked any women is just as, if not more attractive than the guy that is the exact same but has fucked 100 women.
02:42:42.000So the sex is just a proxy for something different.
02:42:45.000You're saying that a guy that's fucked a lot is more attractive than a woman that's fucked a lot.
02:42:47.000And I kind of agree, but that's because for a guy to fuck a lot, generally there's a lot of effort that's been put in there.
02:42:51.000But the guy's not attractive because he's fucked a lot.
02:42:54.000But you are saying the woman is unattractive because she's fucked a lot.
02:42:57.000Guys aren't attractive because they fuck a lot.
02:42:58.000Usually they have to be attractive to fuck a lot.
02:43:00.000But the full stop for you is how much sex the woman has had.
02:43:04.000Which I don't think is necessarily fair.
02:43:05.000What I'm trying to say is that a man's not going to get disqualified for having a promiscuous past from a relationship, but a woman will 100% get disqualified from getting a relationship from having a promiscuous past.
02:43:23.000The relationships that we have with each other and the types of long-term commitments that we build are way more complicated than oxytocin reactions that men also release when they have sex too.
02:43:33.000I'm going to be like most of the girls that I've been with have wanted a relationship with me.
02:43:37.000And then once you move on and you play the game and they realize what happened, there's a part of them that they have a level of rejection.
02:43:41.000So the more they keep doing that, and there's all these girls that we understand that they want our time and we're not giving it to them.
02:43:46.000After a while, they're losing their value and they become more negative.
02:43:50.000The more they keep fucking with these guys and the more that they have guys imprint on them and tell them their life, they have different expectations.
02:43:56.000The more dick a girl takes, the more crazy she ends up.
02:44:01.000Of all the girls at this table, how many of you have hooked up with a guy one time, and it was kind of a casual thing, and that guy got, like, fucking obsessed with you?
02:44:15.000Like, sends you four million fucking paragraphs without you responding, wants to see you every fucking day, is ready to like drop his whole life a movement with you.
02:44:24.000Sure, but I'm just curious, because I feel like most girls I've talked to have had that, dude, there are people that my wife has said hi to one time, and she'll show me like, dude, check this guy's Instagram.
02:44:32.000And he's sent her like fucking 2,000 minutes for like two years.
02:44:35.000And like one piece of attention is like just saying hi to a guy.
02:44:39.000The argument, well, because this is the argument that you were making, that if a girl has sex with a guy, she's going to start to get emotionally parabonded, blah, blah, blah.
02:44:45.000And I think the same shit can happen with guys, too.
02:44:47.000Every girl that does casual hookups has a horror story of a guy that got ultra-fucking-obsessed with her.
02:48:55.000You're not a pushover is what he's trying to say.
02:48:56.000Yeah, I mean, I would say I have certain masculine qualities that, I mean, I've had life experiences that have made me that type of person.
02:50:24.000She knows that's how men are, but she doesn't want to accept it.
02:50:27.000So it's like, when you come into terms and you accept it, then...
02:50:30.000It's like fleshing out the answer more, where it's like, do you want a guy with a high body count?
02:50:34.000And most women are like, yeah, I don't care.
02:50:36.000The reality is, is that like, I mean, it'd be nice if they could have a lower one, but realistically, like, what the fuck are you going to do?
02:50:40.000Like, if it's a really attractive guy, he's probably fucked around.
02:50:42.000You might prefer one with less, but like, what do you mean?
02:50:44.000No, but she said she straight up cut somebody off because of his body count.
02:52:51.000No offense, but she could barely name three countries, right?
02:52:56.000Doesn't remember anything from the show, but she still has a bunch of news that she hasn't even looked at their DMs on fucking Instagram, bro.
02:58:22.000Because, I mean, I'll tell you, like, I mean...
02:58:25.000Most guys that have money and status, etc., if they look at a girl, they're going to want to go with a younger girl that doesn't have children.
03:00:11.000Who's enabling dumb guys to live a great lifestyle?
03:00:14.000If you're in the Western world, all you're going to do is wake up, go to work, go home, don't live in an expensive city, and you'll make it.
03:00:20.000But they can't really enjoy life like they should.
03:00:26.000Sure, but I mean, women that are really dumb can't enjoy life either, right?
03:00:33.000Isn't it like fucking 34% of women have taken like a prescription SSRI in the past fucking year?
03:00:38.000Like, I'm sure you guys have talked to your show that women are more miserable today than they ever have been, and I know you guys probably made that argument about arguing for traditional lifestyles and pulling the workforce.
03:00:45.000So this idea that all women are happy and doing fine and blah blah blah, contradicts probably things that you guys did.
03:01:56.000Also, you're saying all guys just want to fuck.
03:01:58.000That wasn't what we were talking about.
03:01:59.000We were talking about being in a relationship.
03:02:00.000But Destiny, you're missing the point.
03:02:02.000By virtue of the guy wanting to fuck the girl, the girl at least gets an opportunity to meet the man, sway him into taking her seriously.
03:02:14.000Versus the man doesn't get the opportunity at all.
03:02:17.000So even if it's sexual, which I see where you're coming with that.
03:02:19.000Yeah, there might be like a one in a million chance where it happens.
03:02:22.000But the reality is, if you look at who marries who, it's people who are similar race, similar socioeconomic background, similar regions, similar education level.
03:02:31.000Those are the people that get with each other.
03:02:41.000You're missing the point that a girl can be stupid and be invited to a party with a bunch of celebs and higher status guys versus a guy that's stupid and ain't gonna get no invites.
03:02:50.000He's gotta be the one that's hosting the party.
03:02:51.000It depends on what each side is valuing.
03:02:53.000But remember, you're using words in different ways.
03:02:56.000You're saying a woman can not do anything, blah, blah, blah.
03:02:59.000A woman can be a dumbfuck, blah, blah.
03:03:01.000Sure, but that's because the types of guys that you're talking about don't value intelligence.
03:03:04.000So of course a woman can be a dumbfuck and be with a certain type of guy.
03:03:07.000I argue most guys don't value intelligence.
03:03:08.000Sure, and if most guys don't, but then who do you have at the end of the day to blame for women being stupid?
03:03:13.000They're the ones that are starting the problem there, right?
03:03:14.000If you're a guy, and if you're advocating, just like women that have educational degrees are fucking masculine, or women that have jobs, or blah blah blah, you want a woman that doesn't work, that wants to take care of her house, blah blah blah, you're advocating for the type of women that have more intelligence.
03:03:45.000If you're talking about finding a relationship, maybe.
03:03:48.000There's a lot of stupid guys out there that do just okay in life.
03:03:52.000We're watching a billionaire right now lose 70% of the fucking value of himself destroying a social media company who's supposed to be a fucking genius.
03:04:00.000I'm just saying there's a lot of dumb guys out there that are doing okay.
03:04:25.000How many more shares of Tesla is he going to sell to cover his fucking interest on that big ass fucking loan that he got conned into taking, that Congress forced him to go through on, that he was trying to back out at the last moment.