In this episode of the Freshman Podcast, we are joined by Chris Pavlowsky, CEO of Rumble. We talk about how Chris got started in tech and how he built a platform that rivals juggernauts like YouTube and Twitch in the video game space. We also discuss how Chris and Rumble came to fruition and how they came to be the dominant force in the gaming and streaming world. Thank you so much to Chris for coming on the show and giving us a chance to talk about all things gaming and tech. We hope you enjoy this episode and stay tuned for more episodes in the future! - The Freshmen Podcast Team Subscribe to Freshman to get notified when we upload a new episode every Monday morning! If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! or wherever else you re listening to podcasts. We appreciate all the support and look forward to hearing from you guys! Cheers, EJ & Nick! Timestamps: 1: 00:00 - How did Chris get started in Tech? 2:30 - How Chris got into Gaming? 3:15 - How he built Rumble? 4:20 - When did Chris start in tech? 5:40 - How does he get into the gaming industry? 6:00 How did he start in gaming? 7:40 8:30 9:20 What s going on with his background? 11:00 | What's next? 12:30 | What s he s been doing? 13:00 / 14: What s his favorite gaming podcast? 15:00 // 16: How do you feel about the future? 16: What's the future of gaming and what s going to be? 17:00 + 17:10 18:20 | 17:40 | How does Chris s background in tech 19:10 | How do I feel about gaming & 21:00 & 16:30 // 17:20 // 18: What do you think I m looking forward to the future?? 22: How can I get started? 21:40 // 19:30 / 22:30 + 22:40 + 23:30 & 23:00? 26:40 & 25:30+ + 26:00+ - What s a little bit more? & 27:30)
00:09:46.000That was the age where I kind of really started dabbling in the internet.
00:09:51.000And then it was like, it's actually a funny story because in 2004 or 2005, one of my good friends from high school, this is post high school now, sends me a link to a website.
00:10:06.000And at this time I'm running like funny video websites.
00:10:10.000And he was running like actually one of the largest video websites on the internet called Zippy Videos at the time.
00:10:17.000And And he sends me a link and he's like, check these guys out.
00:10:22.000They're going to dominate the space because Zippy, I can't afford the bandwidth costs anymore.
00:10:28.000And the link was, and this is before they were big, like they weren't even, I think there was a ranker out there called Alexa.
00:10:35.000And he was like a top 50 on Alexa, global websites.
00:10:40.000And YouTube was like 15,000 at this time.
00:10:47.000Two years later, YouTube's getting acquired by Google, and they end up sucking up all the oxygen in the room as Google started integrating them into their search engine and mobile phones after that, and ended up kind of dominating – not kind of,
00:11:03.000but dominating – The video space, post-acquisition of when Google bought them.
00:11:11.000You saw Dailymotion, Meta Cafe, you saw Live Video, Zippy Videos, they all basically, Break.com, they all kind of ceased to exist.
00:11:27.000Everyone kind of went belly up in the video space and YouTube just took over the whole space.
00:11:34.000Inside and out, they monopolized the whole thing and they became the only real viable online video platform.
00:11:48.000Fast forward to 2010 now, you probably remember the maker studios, the full screens, all the people that are managing talent on YouTube, the multi-channel networks, MCNs is what they were called at the time.
00:12:05.000Specifically, they ended up becoming this new ecosystem that was built on top of YouTube.
00:12:12.000And then we started to notice, I started to notice at that time that there was a lot of deprioritizing of the small creator, your friends, family, aunts, and uncles.
00:12:23.000And the multi-channel networks, the full screens and the makers and all the big influencers, the corporations, the brands were getting...
00:12:32.000All this attention and they seem to be getting prioritized on YouTube.
00:12:39.000So I thought there was like an opportunity starting to emerge around 2010, 2011 and by 2013 I decided that I'm gonna go all in on it and try to help the small creator.
00:12:52.000So I launched Rumble at the end of 2013.
00:13:17.000And then, you know, as time progresses, you get to 2020.
00:13:24.000The 2020 election cycle kicks in, and something dramatic starts happening.
00:13:32.000It was, I remember, like, very vividly, because it was in the summer of 2020 that I got a phone call From the ranking member of the U.S. House Intel Committee.
00:13:51.000To put this in perspective, I'm a Canadian.
00:13:55.000Getting a call from U.S. congressman that's on the House Intel Committee and the Gang of Eight member is like, holy shit, am I under investigation?
00:14:41.000And, you know, this is the craziest thing.
00:14:46.000Because you have an elected member of Congress, a gang of eight member, the ranking member of the House Intel Committee that's been on YouTube for four years prior to me speaking to him, and he's got like road signs in his district Promoting his YouTube channel and his podcast on YouTube.
00:15:06.000He comes to Rumble and within two to three months, he has like two to three hundred thousand subscribers on Rumble.
00:15:13.000Whereas on YouTube, in the four years that he was there, he has ten thousand.
00:15:20.000How is it that you can have ten thousand and you're like...
00:15:25.000Promoting in your district for four years.
00:15:28.000You've had your podcast on there, and you go to a different platform, and all of a sudden, you go to Rumble and get 200,000 to 300,000 subs overnight in two to three months.
00:15:39.000Not to an elected member of Congress, but that did happen.
00:15:42.000And that was kind of like the opening that we saw, is that there was a real opportunity here to kind of really...
00:15:52.000With what these other platforms were doing, we can now step in.
00:15:57.000It almost goes back to the same premise of starting Rumble in itself.
00:16:01.000The prioritization that was happening to big creators was now happening to the deprioritization that was happening to small creators is now happening to massive creators on YouTube.
00:16:14.000And they were deprioritizing them in some way, shape, or form.
00:16:17.000Because I remember I would go there and I would search Devin Nunes podcast and you couldn't find it.
00:16:35.000He brought on, at that time, Diamond and Silk came on, Dinesh D'Souza came on.
00:16:43.000It was like a We had a flood of craters after he came on.
00:16:46.000The floodgates opened, and within a year, we had the 45th president of the United States on Rumble.
00:16:55.000And that happened, I think, in mid-summer of 2021.
00:17:00.000So, I would say by the mid-summer of 2021, we had a pretty good lock on the conservative world in terms of the political world on Rumble.
00:17:14.000We had pretty much everyone that you can think of.
00:17:20.000Obviously, some weren't there, but a lot of them were there.
00:17:23.000And that sent us into this massive growth stage where we went from 1 million monthly active users to 30, 40 million monthly active users in a span of a year or two.
00:17:40.000We raised money from JD Vance's Naria Capital, Peter Thiel, and Colt Ventures, and even Vivek Ramaswamy was in that first round that we did.
00:18:25.000I gotta ask you this, Chris, because I noticed this when Elon Musk did an interview, and he said one of the first things he noticed when he took over X... Was that there was a considerable amount of censorship on conservative creators versus liberal creators.
00:18:41.000And that's just on X where you're texting things.
00:18:44.000Would you say you saw that also on the video sharing side where you got guys like Don Bongino, congressmen, etc.
00:18:50.000that might have conservative belief systems getting suppressed in big tech?
00:20:43.000on the platform, also using our cloud as well.
00:20:48.000We're really kind of in all areas with content in all areas now.
00:20:53.000But yeah, to answer your question, something was going on and probably still is going on, if I had to guess, when it comes to censorship and political candidates, etc.
00:21:07.000And I actually think something worse will happen this time around.
00:21:12.000So in 2020 and 2021, we saw a litany of bannings happen due to COVID, etc.
00:21:39.000You can see it, you can feel it, you know it's there, and you can fight against that.
00:21:45.000People will scream, and that word will spread.
00:21:50.000But when you're shadow banned in an intelligent way, where, let's say, AI gets involved, and, you know, your content's coming and showing up to your loyal users, but not showing up to the users outside of that loyal base,
00:22:47.000They're adapting and I do think a lot of these platforms are going to be participating in some really intelligent style censorship that we can't see or very easily detect and it's going to be all done through AI and technology.
00:23:03.000I would argue it's happening right now, wink wink.
00:23:10.000I'm seeing some evidence of that happening right now.
00:23:14.000The censorship that I'm starting to see or hear about is very deceptive.
00:23:22.000I think the year of 2024, I think deception is going to accelerate to a level that we The people that we might think are on our side are not really on our side.
00:23:31.000I think deception is at a whole new level in the next couple years.
00:23:37.000And that kind of dovetails into censorship.
00:24:27.000Online, there are gates that you have to abide by.
00:24:36.000Anyone that's claiming they're free speech absolutist online is not being authentic.
00:24:43.000You cannot be, to the definition of what we understand a free speech absolutist is.
00:24:51.000It bothers me when I hear people say, you know, I'm a free speech absolutist, and then the next thing you see is there's a compliance with the government or whatever, and it's just nonsense.
00:25:06.000So it's hard to say that Rumble is like a free speech absolutist platform.
00:25:11.000It's not, because there's guardrails that force us not to be.
00:25:16.000And that comes into the whole technology ecosystem.
00:25:20.000Rumble is the tip of spear, in my opinion, in terms of mass size that's pushing and tilting the system back into place to the way we understood the internet to be.
00:26:38.000But the more important problem for them, the one that turned the lights out, the one that put them basically out of business from our perspective, is Amazon, AWS. They shut off the lights.
00:26:51.000They didn't know where to put the website.
00:27:29.000We were on bare metal, and that was good at the time.
00:27:32.000It was enough to sustain us through a period where no incumbent cloud platform can knock us out.
00:27:38.000We're distributed with multiple companies, multiple server companies, and we were able to survive on that basis at that point in time.
00:27:49.000It became really apparent for us that that wasn't good enough and that we needed to invest, we needed to get investment, and we needed to invest heavily in building our own cloud.
00:27:59.000And not only did I see it as existential for Rumble, I know it's existential.
00:28:05.000I'll give you this example that I'm never told.
00:28:08.000Not only is it existential for Rumble to be on our own cloud, But I also felt there was a need for other companies like Parler or whatever it may be, whether it's a religious university that Amazon AWS doesn't agree with on a religious perspective,
00:28:27.000or whether it's a business that doesn't have the same values as Amazon AWS. We decided to build a cloud that's not just for Rumble, the existential threat to Rumble,
00:29:00.000And now every business out there can have trust in a provider that won't turn the lights off on them.
00:29:05.000Based on some ideological or some opinion that someone might have or some thought or any type of expression they might have, we're going to be operating very differently than Amazon AWS,
00:29:23.000Google Cloud, GCP, and Microsoft Azure.
00:30:12.000Where we actually, behind the scenes, and we already had a lot of infrastructure by this period kind of built out, where Rumble had the available infrastructure in place, our own servers, the ones that we actually own and bought with our money.
00:30:31.000And we were setting up a CDN, we were setting up the cloud, we were setting it all up.
00:30:37.000And we get a notice from, at the time, it was IBM saying they're shutting us down.
00:31:54.000We're defending and protecting freedom of expression more than anyone at that very moment and our whole team was working overnight that whole weekend on July 4th weekend and it's like a story that I hold very very dearly to myself and it's one that you know All the engineers that were behind that and getting that up,
00:32:37.000And I think that's something that people underestimate, Chris, about you, is that like all the work that goes behind the scenes, I mean, daily there's articles criticizing you, daily there's people saying terrible things about you, daily they're trying to shut you down, daily they're trying to tarnish your character, the business's company, sorry, the business's character, etc.
00:32:53.000Like, you know, we always say, you know, freedom of speech isn't free, like that's literally like the quintessential example, like people are constantly trying to come at you guys.
00:33:55.000But, you know, the sad part is how many weak people there are out there not doing that and folding to, like, any type of criticism that they have.
00:34:05.000It just requires a little bit of strength, you know?
00:34:08.000And that's what this company, Rumble, is built on.
00:36:00.000If I were going to sit here and judge every single character on what they do in their personal lives, if YouTube was going to do that, well, they got to start digging a lot more because there's a lot of people on their platform they're going to have issues with if they start digging.
00:38:24.000When it comes to that type of stuff, there's obviously very strict policies in place.
00:38:32.000And also, one of the things we like to do differently, and we're trying to figure this out, one of the things that happens on YouTube that gets taken advantage of are DMCAs, for example.
00:38:45.000We've got to strike accounts if they violate copyrights.
00:38:49.000You've got to ban accounts if they do it too often.
00:38:53.000One of the things we like to do is, like, I don't like the idea of, like, a permanent ban unless it's, like, some fraudulent type of behavior like spamming and stuff like that.
00:39:03.000But when it comes to, like, copyrights, you want to kind of reach out to the creator, give them the option.
00:39:11.000Rather than strike them, but give them the option, give them the window to take it down.
00:39:14.000It might have to be fast because, you know, there's liability there.
00:39:19.000Kind of work with the creator in a different way than the other platforms have to kind of help them get into policy and not violate, not ruin their whole businesses and livelihoods because they made a mistake they were not aware of.
00:39:33.000Innocent mistakes happen all the time.
00:39:35.000And there's a lot of mobbing happening where someone will just...
00:39:40.000Doesn't like somebody and send a whole crowd to take that out.
00:40:52.000That's where, you know, a lot of the magic happened.
00:40:56.000When Andrew Tate came on, believe it or not, he was the second largest after Bongino that had influence in terms of, like, app downloads and subscribers.
00:41:08.000I think he's almost at two million on Rumble already.
00:41:11.000That August, the wave was enormous and, you know...
00:41:23.000Starts by Instagram, then Facebook, then YouTube.
00:41:25.000It's the same story with a lot of these creators.
00:41:27.000And it's just like, you know, we're pursuing to get them onto the platform even prior to when that happened.
00:41:33.000But, you know, it's just unbelievable how it all happened.
00:41:38.000And, you know, the impact that he had on Rumble, I think, is enormous.
00:41:43.000He was like, he had us, I think, number one in the App Store for quite some time at that point in time.
00:41:51.000And that was when Rumble needed a lot of work.
00:41:54.000I think a lot of people still remember us from that era, which is now two years ago almost.
00:42:03.000A lot of people remember us from that era where we didn't have product teams, we were a small company, just raised money for the first time ever.
00:42:14.00021, when Peter came in, that was the first time I raised money for this company.
00:42:55.000You guys are going through the pains with us.
00:42:58.000People don't understand something when it comes to Rumble.
00:43:02.000We're not just building software on top of Amazon's technology, their cloud, or even their live streaming software.
00:43:10.000We're actually building software that sits on top of our hardware, where we're plugging in the wires ourselves, and we've got to make all this stuff work.
00:43:21.000There's so many things happening here, and that's why we're uncancellable, but like...
00:43:26.000And that's the benefit of it, but we have so much more work to do because of what we stand for and what we do in this world that it's not as quick as some people like it to be.
00:43:41.000But I think now the velocity with the teams we have in place is increased dramatically.
00:43:47.000And I think we're at a point right now where we're ahead on features now than some other platforms.
00:43:54.000We're behind in others, but I think we can be very ahead in a lot of different ways by the end of this year on the majority of aspects to the platform.
00:44:05.000And people underestimate how hard it is to actually be independent.
00:44:08.000It is not easy, guys, to stand up to these big companies that have a huge infrastructure, they have a head start, they have Google behind them, etc.
00:44:14.000So for you guys to be able to build up your own infrastructure, you know, it's going to take some time.
00:44:20.000And which, by the way, guys, we'll have a Q&A at the end here, so if you guys have any questions for Chris or whatever as far as Rumble goes, you know, on the future, etc.
00:44:27.000Yeah, a Q&A. We will go ahead and answer those questions for you.
00:46:16.000The trajectory of this sport, I think someone just wrote an article about it a week ago, but the trajectory, the demand, the amount of people that want to be there, and the way we're building this sport via influencers, I think is...
00:46:59.000And then we added Barstool to, you know, we're really kind of pushing that sports category in a way that, you know, in the last year, that has become, like, the main category of investment for Rumble.
00:47:12.000And it's helped us broaden our audience and change the perspective of the platform.
00:47:17.000What about WWE? That's a great question.
00:47:22.000I've had conversations about this internally and externally as well.
00:47:28.000All that type of stuff we eventually want to make moves for.
00:47:37.000We're very agnostic, so whether it's any sport out there or any type of entertainment or in any category, we want to make a move for, and we're all for it.
00:47:50.000The WWE, I think, would be a good match for the current audience that we have, so it's a good idea, and who knows what happens in the future, but...
00:48:05.000You know, we're gonna pursue all different types of content all the time.
00:48:09.000I can say this with all authority and I want to say grace.
00:48:14.000When I was at the Power Slap event, yo, the anticipation waiting for that slap to happen to somebody is incredible.
00:51:41.000And then that would obligate them to divest.
00:51:44.000You think this is something we could see in 2024?
00:51:46.000Like, would this have to come into play with whoever the president is at the end?
00:51:50.000I think we're going to know more in the next 30 to 60 days.
00:51:55.000I think this is going to be very fast, and we're going to know a lot in the next couple months here.
00:52:03.000It really just depends on the Senate, I think, and what happens in the Senate.
00:52:08.000But, like, when you take a look at it, and the letter really kind of talks about us being the technology partner, but when you look at this potential acquisition of TikTok and how this has to happen, we expressed interest of wanting to be part of a consortium and being the tech partner on it on the cloud side.
00:52:28.000And Kevin is right on in one aspect, Kevin O'Leary, that you saw in the clip there, but...
00:52:38.000Meta is not going to be able to do anything here because of antitrust concerns.
00:53:05.000So how many other video companies out there that have that capability to understand how to run video both on video at all?
00:53:16.000There really isn't any that I can think of off the top of my head.
00:53:19.000And how many people, the big other problem that Any consortium is going to have or any buyer is going to have is the algorithm.
00:53:27.000Because I don't believe the way the law is set up in China that ByteDance will be able to sell the algorithm due to their IP restrictions in China.
00:53:37.000So someone has to build the algorithm for video and understand video in order to step in with TikTok.
00:54:16.000One of the things we're working on in Rumble behind the scenes, because it's been a big problem, is our search and our recommendation algorithm.
00:54:24.000And we've hired data scientists to be working on this for quite some time now.
00:54:29.000So our recommendation algorithms and our data scientists are obviously working on this.
00:54:34.000So what other company out there is actually working on algorithms for video?
00:54:52.000If you guys were to acquire TikTok, would you guys acquire it intact the way it is?
00:54:58.000Or would you guys have to change the name?
00:54:59.000Would you guys have to change a substantial amount of data behind it?
00:55:03.000How much would you guys have to change when you acquire it?
00:55:06.000Or could you guys keep it fairly similar to what it is now?
00:55:09.000First, we don't know what that would look like and how the divestment from ByteDance would look like and what that would entail and all the details of it.
00:55:20.000Second, we want to be part of a consortium, so not just us, obviously, but This is a very expensive transaction.
00:55:29.000And we want to be the tech partner in that.
00:55:32.000So those are a lot of questions that would be better answered at a later date, depending on how everything flows.
00:55:40.000It really depends what the bills look like, what actually ends up happening.
00:55:45.000Right now, it's a little bit of a jump ball in the sense that we don't know what the Senate's going to do yet.
00:58:32.000Chris, what's your thoughts on alternative platforms besides Rumble that, you know, are, you know, kind of fighting the fight against YouTube and Twitch, etc.
01:01:59.000I think this is kind of going to be one of our weapons in really competing in this whole ecosystem.
01:02:04.000It's giving the ability for all creators, big or small, to run ads, you know, write directly in their live streams through using Rumble Studio and multi-streaming to all platforms.
01:02:16.000And that is also a great tool for every single one of the platforms.
01:02:20.000So for us, I see the whole market as an opportunity, and I don't see any single one as a negative.
01:02:27.000I see it as a positive, especially a positive for the creator community.
01:05:12.000I think Laura probably knows better than I do when it comes to that.
01:05:16.000She's really tapped in on understanding that web.
01:05:21.000For me, it's like unraveling that has been something we've been trying to do and trying to figure out because it's so ridiculous what they do.
01:05:33.000They will sit on our pages and refresh a page on a video that they deem inappropriate and And try to find an ad and try to destroy the reputation when doing that.
01:08:34.000Yeah, because I don't know if Grant Cardone and them count because they control real estate that they allegedly is worth that much, but as far as being liquided, yeah?
01:09:23.000To clarify Locals, Live Chat doesn't refresh on Android app and on PC. I have to close the entire app on phone and back out on PC. I order to get the newest comments on Live Chat and the constant buffering that happens during a live.
01:10:39.000It would be the easiest to go out there and just use Amazon's Twitch live streaming product or live streaming products out there or use Agora's live streaming product that does all this for them.
01:10:48.000You know, Agora was worth billions of dollars.
01:10:53.000When we used Agora once, and we put it on, because Locals was using Agora, not Rumble, but Locals was using Agora, and we brought Crowder onto Rumble, and then Crowder did Locals, he crashed Agora.
01:11:05.000A multi-billion dollar company that's focused on live streaming product crashed Agora.
01:11:13.000No, these are just simply limitations that we have because we're building this stuff from scratch and doing all the transcoding and encoding and there's just a delay from the end of the stream to the processing of that VOD. I think Rumble's getting better at that,
01:11:32.000and I wouldn't be surprised to see all this kind of humming in a really comparative way to the Amazon live streaming products within the next couple of months.
01:11:47.000We're actually aiming to have better, right now, our latency with YouTube is pretty even if the stream setups are done properly.
01:11:57.000The quality is actually better on Rumble.
01:11:59.000If you put it to the max quality on Rumble, guys, and put it side by side with YouTube, the quality on Rumble is actually better.
01:14:06.000Like, open up two tabs and watch this on Rumble and on YouTube and go 1920 on the Rumble side and see how much clearer it is than the YouTube.
01:14:15.000Because he goes, see, not all Canadians live in igloos and repeatedly say A. Some of them can become tech CEOs.
01:14:21.000He does say A. Yeah, I say A. Sometimes.
01:14:24.000That's part of my vocabulary, for sure.
01:14:26.000Chris, when are you gonna allow us to gift channel subscriptions and rumble live chat?
01:17:52.000It's really important, though, that you guys all download the app and sub to the Fresh and Fit pod because that's the way that you as creators grow.
01:18:01.000We're actually finding that when you sub only on web, they don't get hit with notifications when you go live.
01:18:07.000So when you sub on app and you download the app and you sub to your channel, that's how you get the notifications.
01:19:14.000But these attacks have been absolutely enormous and been very, very difficult for us to stem.
01:19:22.000It created a lot of downtime for us and a lot of negativity around the platform just being down because of these attacks.
01:19:32.000I think now we're in a really solid state.
01:19:35.000We've really learned to defend against these attacks.
01:19:39.000We got some great partners that are helping us with that now.
01:19:45.000This has been something that's been really annoying to deal with behind the scenes.
01:19:51.000Hence why you guys are working to get your own infrastructure.
01:19:54.000Yeah, and like, you know, we've made some massive progress on this in the last three, four months, and now I think we're on a very solid basis right now.
01:20:07.000Like, you probably saw everyone went down like a week ago, two weeks ago.
01:20:58.000We have that already, so you can go into your dashboard on desktop and purchase a pro package to do that.
01:21:04.000We're going to make this way easier, and you're going to be able to do it within app, and this is going to happen in the next 30 to 60 days.
01:22:51.000I think Palworld or something had said they were going to go to business because their costs were too high, and I made a public tweet saying we could help them.
01:23:04.000I think the gaming community using RumbleCloud would be amazing.
01:25:17.000Aortiz goes, Chris, can you address why 70% of your market cap is owned by insiders and of the 30% that actually out to the public, 5% is owned by Vanguard and 1.2% by both BlackRock and Straight Street, respectively?
01:25:28.000I'm not sure those percentages are correct.
01:25:30.000I've seen some stuff online that is not correct.
01:25:34.000And I don't know whether those percentages are correct.
01:25:41.000But yes, one thing that is correct is that the majority of ownership is insiders.
01:25:45.000I have 85% voting control in Rumble, so roughly 85% voting control at Rumble.
01:28:03.000In a lot of countries of the world that we do here.
01:28:06.000That First Amendment is so incredible.
01:28:10.000A lot of people will have it in their Bill of Rights, like Canada and all these other places, but if you don't have a judicial system and you can't uphold that constitution, that's a problem.
01:28:23.000In America, it's really fortunate that we have a country that really upholds this human right.
01:28:32.000And guys, we're going to go 50 and up here because, you know, obviously Chris is a busy man.
01:28:36.000He's got money to make and, you know, creators to save and promoting free speech.
01:28:41.000Hardyway says, is there any way that you can implement different price levels for memberships on locals similar to Patreon?
01:28:47.000Remember, FNF used to have different membership levels when they were on Patreon.
01:28:50.000Okay, so for locals, that's what they're asking.
01:30:19.000But what we want to do is we want to have...
01:30:23.000Like, a set of different products so that creators can generate revenue.
01:30:27.000Because there's a lot of creators that advertisers don't want to touch at all, and that creates an issue.
01:30:33.000And it's gotten so stupid, the reasons why, that, like, if you want to promote Rumble Coffee, it'll be as an option in the Rumble studio to generate revenue.
01:31:23.000Fat Olive, as he goes, Chris, thank you for giving us a partner program, only investing channel on rumbo that looks at fundamentals.
01:31:29.000Question, when do you see rum to be net income positive and cash flow positive?
01:31:34.000So these are like forward-looking statements for a public company.
01:31:38.000I can't get into answering any forward-looking type stuff when it comes to financials or rumble.
01:31:46.000That's for the CFO. Luzupan goes, Am I tripping or is there no way to download long-form content to the device in an app similar way to YouTube, Whole, FNF, Team and Chris?
01:33:06.000It's a Rumble exclusive for obvious reasons, because I'm very competitive.
01:33:09.000But yeah, if you guys want to see me game on Overwatch, I'm over there on Rumble.
01:33:12.000That's a nice way to say it, but I don't ask for you, bro.
01:33:16.000Yeah, Crickle goes, Hey, Chris, my question is, there have been any thoughts on developing using an additional streaming protocol alongside RMTP? Something like Mixer's FTL protocol, which gave an option for sub-second latency.
01:33:30.000I wasn't aware of that, but that is something I will talk to my tech teams with respect to.
01:33:37.000I have no idea what he said, but it looks like you know.
01:34:04.000Yeah, so GPUs is in very high demand, specifically the H100s.
01:34:11.000I can't talk about any forward-looking stuff, but what I will say is that we're very aware of the AI community and the needs on the cloud side, and that is something that we are having a lot of conversations about in where and how much to invest,
01:34:31.000and hopefully there'll be some more information on that, but I don't want to say much more than that at this point in time.
01:35:29.000Someone clarifying one of their questions?
01:35:31.000So, Chris, I guess just for me, the last question I have for you.
01:35:35.000Future Rumble, where's it going, and what's the future for creators on Rumble?
01:35:43.000So, at this point in time, I am the most, what's the word, excited with what we have.
01:35:53.000We have, it has taken, it's actually been really fast, but for me it's been really slow.
01:35:59.000In perspective, we built an ad marketplace in the last year and a half when Google spent billions of dollars buying Double Kick and Double Click and many other things.
01:36:09.000We have the four assets that we can finally go to market and start selling now and start improving.
01:36:17.000The Rumble video product will only get better.
01:36:20.000The Rumble Advertising Center is an incredible asset for publishers, for Rumble, for advertisers, going directly after AdSense and AdExchange.
01:36:32.000We have the cloud going directly at the heart of big tech.
01:37:29.000That is what's going to build sustainability for creators.
01:37:33.000All these things are coming together and we're going to be able to create a creator ecosystem that's going to be sustainable for the long term.
01:37:40.000And most importantly, my goal is to create...
01:37:48.000I want to create the best way for creators to make and generate revenue.
01:37:54.000I want to be the best place on the planet for helping creators make money.
01:38:13.000The goal is, though, with Rumble Advertising Center and then Rumble Studio bringing in live reads, which no one else does, by the way, that's patent pending, that technology to, in real time, get an advertisement notification while you're live streaming.
01:38:29.000So imagine we're live right now, and your Rumble dashboard in the Rumble Studio right now pops up and says, hey, for $100, read this read on Rumble Coffee.
01:38:39.000You read it, $100 goes into your account.