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00:04:41.000We got a special guest in the house, guys.
00:04:42.000We got a three-peat for you guys, by the way.
00:04:43.000We got Hammond Hijab now, and then we got TK Kirkland coming in a little bit later, and then obviously we're going to do an after-hour show for you guys.
00:05:31.000I'm glad we're able to make this happen, man.
00:05:34.000So for the audience that might not, I mean, obviously I'm very well aware of who you are.
00:05:38.000You know, shout out to Sneeko for linking us, by the way, and creating that contact.
00:05:43.000But can you, you have a huge YouTube channel yourself, huge following, probably one of the most famous Islamic scholars in the world.
00:05:50.000But for those that don't know, can you please introduce yourself to the people?
00:05:54.000Well, I mean, look, as you mentioned, content creator, I would probably call myself in the most neutral way.
00:06:00.000I've been online for about eight years now, producing all kinds of content relating to, I would say, for example, Islam, religion, politics, society, philosophy.
00:06:12.000Obviously, I've had lots of debates, which are high-profile debates.
00:06:16.000Recently, I had one with Piers Morgan.
00:07:11.000Well, I've been going to university for a very long time.
00:07:18.000And at the same time, I've been doing Islamic studies.
00:07:22.000So because I've been doing multiple degrees over the span of maybe about 11, 12 years now, I found an outlet in being able to disseminate information, edify people, which was YouTube, actually.
00:07:36.000So I found that YouTube and social media, the internet in general, allows you to get through to people in a way, in a manner, that classrooms and lecture halls don't allow you to do so.
00:08:37.000I just want you to finish your thought before I ask.
00:08:40.000Yeah, I was just talking to my friends about this the other day.
00:08:43.000When you do that many examinations, from when you were a kid, and you do that many essays, and you do that many dissertations or whatever it may be, you get tired.
00:08:56.000And so it's been interdisciplinary for me.
00:08:58.000I've done a history masters, for example.
00:09:00.000I've done something in philosophy of religion.
00:09:29.000And I totally feel you there, man, because just for me, even going to college and getting a bachelor's degree was a pain.
00:09:33.000So I can only imagine pursuing multiple degrees, pursuing a doctorate, writing all those essays, going to lectures, writing dissertations like you were mentioning earlier.
00:09:42.000It gets very monotonous very quickly, especially when you've been in the education system for a while.
00:09:47.000So I've always, at least in America, I don't know what it's like in the UK. I'm assuming it's fairly similar.
00:09:53.000The education system tends to be extremely liberal.
00:09:57.000The people in the education system tend to swing left, be more woke, so to speak.
00:10:03.000As a Muslim, which naturally the religion is fairly conservative, how are you able to maneuver in the education system without dealing with headaches or problems?
00:10:18.000So like each university, actually each and every single one of them that I went to in the United Kingdom have been left-leaning universities.
00:11:04.000However, I mean, I think the pros actually are more than the cons, from my angle at least, because at least I can get my job done.
00:11:10.000Yeah, I've had issues, but, you know, at the end of the day, when you're doing your dissertations, when you're doing your examinations in the United Kingdom, they have a degree of anonymity.
00:11:19.000So like, for example, when I was doing A-levels in this country, which is like the equivalent of SATs in America, I've done well in my A-levels because no one knew who I was.
00:12:36.000After that, my school contract got cancelled.
00:12:40.000So I couldn't work as a school teacher anymore.
00:12:42.000So I realized that for me as a Muslim that has these views in the West and the United Kingdom, it's either censorship or it's, you know, it's not just censorship from a social media platform, which is something we're afraid of.
00:12:58.000We're speaking to Sneaker, obviously he's been censored and blocked off YouTube and stuff like that.
00:13:04.000But it's also the fact that you get fired from jobs.
00:13:26.000I wanted to do some kind of work and at the same time do content creation.
00:13:32.000But It just so happened that everything forced me towards this.
00:13:37.000Because it's not just that I became unemployed, but it became unemployable when I had certain views.
00:13:43.000Like for example, the views of LGBT. For Muslims, just like Orthodox Jews and many Christians, you know, we don't believe that homosexuality is an acceptable morality, for example.
00:13:55.000So having that view is unacceptable to the majority of society in the West.
00:14:28.000I've been to the United States four times, been to Canada about five times.
00:14:32.000I would say, look, it's on a legislative level, it's true that in the United States of America, there are broader legal allowances in terms of what you can say, because you don't have the equivalent of hate speech legislation.
00:14:47.000And things like defamation of character, libel, and stuff like that is much easier to prove in the United Kingdom than it is in the United States.
00:14:54.000So I think you're right to say that in the United States, there's definitely more freedom of speech embedded both in constitutional law and institutions generally.
00:15:03.000But you know, when we speak about freedom of speech, it's not just...
00:15:06.000I think it's a mistake to think that freedom of speech is something that it's only a governmental reality.
00:15:12.000Like in other words, so long as there's laws that allow or prohibit freedom of speech, that freedom of speech is present or absent in a particular society.
00:15:21.000Because the assumption there is that government is in control of all things that happen.
00:15:27.000You've got government that controls part of society, but also you've got, for example, institutions.
00:15:33.000Elon Musk, as an example, is a very, you know, influential person, and therefore his platform could be said to be, in many ways, more powerful than some governmental institutions.
00:15:43.000So if he decides to take people off and on his platform, that's an implementation of freedom of speech, or lack thereof, on a platform.
00:16:36.000But the point is that what I wanted to bring to the table was that the absence or the presence of freedom of speech is not just contingent on constitutional law, statute law, or otherwise.
00:16:46.000It can also be the institutions and the players, the main players of said institutions.
00:16:53.000And so maybe there should be a discussion about whether or not certain main players need to have some kind of a check from the people if it's a democratic mandate that people are looking for.
00:17:05.000So Elon Musk or let's say whoever it is that owns YouTube or Mark Zuckerberg or whoever it may be, you know, as I say, I reckon that they have more influence than the majority of politicians.
00:17:16.000That's a fantastic point that I never really thought about.
00:17:19.000That's pretty profound because if you really think about it, these people control platforms that actually have the reach and the ability to utilize this free speech that we talk about, but what do they do?
00:17:42.000Zuckerberg over at Facebook, Adam Massari over at Instagram, all these guys, they have more power than politicians do because they're able to regulate speech on their platforms, which in turn obviously is the vehicle from which you're going to use to get your message out there.
00:17:56.000And if they don't like what you've got to say, then unfortunately you get canceled.
00:18:47.000And that biblical verse there in the book of Acts is everything we agree with.
00:18:52.000That God did those things through him.
00:18:55.000So we believe that, you know, Christ cured the leper, that he cured the blind with God's permission.
00:19:02.000But here's the difference between Islam and Christianity.
00:19:04.000So whereas we would say as Muslims that Christ was, yes, he was the Messiah, he was one of the greatest people who ever graced this earth.
00:19:12.000We consider anybody who rejects Christ We're good to go.
00:19:30.000Likewise, you cannot be a Muslim and attack or abuse or besmirch Mary, son of Mary, which is the mother of Christ.
00:19:40.000Those two figures are mentioned in the Quran.
00:19:42.000In fact, Allah mentions that Mary is the best woman on the earth.
00:19:49.000That he has chosen you above all women on the earth, even more so than any of the prophet's wives or any of the prophet's daughters or anybody else.
00:19:58.000So Mary for us is the most important woman to have ever lived.
00:20:02.000There's a whole chapter in the Quran, chapter 19, which is the chapter of Mary.
00:20:08.000Which recounts some of the stories there relating to Mary.
00:20:10.000So, we don't believe God, Jesus is God or the Son of God.
00:20:29.000We do not believe that it's possible, that it's conceivable or intelligible that anybody with a date of birth is God, because God is the Eternal.
00:20:39.000Jesus is not the eternal, at least the physical manifestation of Him.
00:21:15.000So our views on Christianity is as follows.
00:21:17.000We agree that Christ and Mary are great figures, but we think that history has distorted The image of Christ and Mary and this idea of the Trinity was a historical development.
00:21:33.000That what happened was, in the Roman Empire, when Constantine adopted Christianity, because what happened in the beginning was, Christians were a persecuted minority.
00:21:46.000Then what happened was, in the year 313, there was the Edict of Milan, and, you know, Constantine, who was the then, you know, Emperor of the Roman Empire, he embraced Christianity.
00:21:58.000He had a dream and so on, and then he embraced Christianity, and then he spread Christianity throughout the Roman Empire.
00:22:05.000When Christianity spread, the Roman Empire already had mythologies that were adopted from ancient Greek mythologies, like Mithraism, for example.
00:22:16.000And most of these mythologies consisted of a godhead of some sorts, father, son, this kind of relationship.
00:22:23.000And so it's easy to see that in the Roman Empire, how Christianity evolved due to the adoption, amalgamation, and synthesis of these ideas, which were otherwise, you could say, pantheistic, polytheistic ideas,
00:22:41.000mythological ideas, into the canon of Christianity.
00:22:46.000And that is even evidenced by some of what you call early church fathers.
00:22:50.000So you have someone called Justin Marta.
00:22:52.000And in his works, he's discussing in primary source materials, he's saying that just as you guys believe in Jupiter and the Sun, we also believe in the Father and the Sun.
00:23:06.000Make close the proximity between pagan belief and Christian belief.
00:23:12.000So it's clear that the idea of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit was something which was adopted by the Romans.
00:23:18.000That's why the early Christians, for example, the Ebionites, didn't believe in this.
00:23:24.000And the idea of the Trinity is clearly developed such that the Holy Spirit joined the party as co-equal, co-eternal only in the late 4th century according to J.N.D. Kelly in his book, Early Church Fathers.
00:23:36.000So you can see that there was a binitarianism and then that transformed into a trinitarianism.
00:23:41.000Now what we're saying is that this whole idea of God, this is not something God sent.
00:23:46.000It's not something that you even find in the Old Testament.
00:23:48.000Abraham didn't believe in the Trinity.
00:24:37.000So, just to respond, I get what you're saying, and I have a family that's a Christian, Muslim as well, so I do understand both sides of the religion on some level.
00:24:47.000So, in that regard, if Jesus isn't God as you say, what about the Bible?
00:24:54.000Should we follow the Bible as well as the Word of God, or no?
00:24:59.000You see, that's a great question because here's what we believe.
00:25:02.000And it's not just we the Muslims believe it.
00:25:04.000Yes, we the Muslims believe it, but this is now consensus in Christian scholarship.
00:25:09.000The idea that the Bible itself now has become corrupted, which means that there have been things that have been put into it and things have been taken out of it, which is why you have contradictory versions of the Bible.
00:25:21.000We have the New International Version, the King James Version.
00:25:24.000The Revised Standard Version, all of them have contradictory information.
00:25:27.000They're not all the same because they depend on different manuscripts.
00:25:30.000And you can refer to the works of Bruce Mesker, who wrote a book on the corruption of the Bible.
00:25:40.000Controversial in the 21st century to state that the Bible, both the Old and New Testaments, have been corrupted thoroughly.
00:25:49.000They have been ravaged with corruption.
00:25:52.000They have corruption in every chapter, in fact.
00:25:58.000And so we, as Muslims, the relationship we have with the Bible is we would say there's some truth in it, but some falsehood inside of it.
00:26:06.000And for us to discern what's the truth, we go to the Qur'an because we believe it's the final revelation.
00:26:12.000You see, it's the final revelation which distinguishes and sieves out and filters out the truth from the falsehood.
00:26:19.000And so our relationship with the Bible is that we would say, as any historian would frankly, that some parts of it are voracious and are acceptable, and other parts of it are interpolations, corruptions, and false, frankly.
00:26:33.000So I can't argue that the Bible wasn't changed because things have been changed over a period of time.
00:27:00.000Now, Christians have a book called the Old Testament.
00:27:03.000Jews have the same book, but they call it the Hebrew Old Testament.
00:27:06.000The first five books of that book is what Jews refer to as the Torah, beginning from Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and so on.
00:27:17.000Now, we would say about this is that this is not actually the Torah.
00:27:22.000These five books are not actually the Torah.
00:27:25.000But you can see this, number one, in the fact that there's no chain of narration which links Moses to these five books.
00:27:32.000Number two, that if you see the first manuscripts that we have of the Old Testament in general, they're about a thousand years after Moses, frankly.
00:27:45.000So there's no connection between, for example, the Dead Sea Scrolls or whatever it may be, and Moses in a direct way.
00:27:56.000The second thing is that we believe that there was an original book sent to Moses and that that book was corrupted.
00:28:04.000But the corruption that we have now of the first five books It's not necessarily the Torah that Moses was originally sent, but there may be remnants of it which are.
00:28:13.000So once again, as a historian, look into it.
00:28:16.000Now, historians say, for instance, there's something called documentary hypothesis.
00:28:20.000Documentary hypothesis is the idea that there's so many different authors of the Bible.
00:28:24.000This is the dominant school of thought now in secular history, that there have been so many different kinds of authors of the Bible.
00:28:31.000They all bring different things to the Bible, and it is what it is.
00:28:35.000We would say there are some things in the Bible which are true.
00:28:38.000I mean, if you open the Bible with all due respect, the first page of the Bible has contradictions inside of it.
00:31:49.000Alright, so if you're praying to the creator of the universe and the one who's all-powerful, the one who's without limitation, the one who is all-knowing and so on, there are many things about Jesus which make him impossible to be God.
00:32:04.000For example, if he's a human being, he is limited in knowledge.
00:32:08.000And in fact, if you look at the book of Mark chapter 13, I think verse 34, you'll find that he went to the tree and he didn't know if it was in season.
00:32:17.000He didn't know when the hour was going to be.
00:32:19.000For example, he said no one knows when the hour is going to be except for the Father.
00:32:24.000So if Jesus is God, how come he's lacking in knowledge when we've already defined God as being all knowledgeable?
00:33:41.000So if you're speaking to, for example, you know, when you speak to your guests on intersexual dynamics or whatever, and then one of them says, you know, if one of those women come, you know, one of those escorts, or sorry to say, well, I don't know what they are.
00:33:54.000If one of them, I don't know what they are.
00:33:56.000But let's say one of those escorts come and say, what do you consider yourself?
00:33:59.000You say to her, what do you consider yourself?
00:34:01.000So you say, okay, you know, she says, I'm 7 out of 10.
00:34:07.000And then two minutes later, she says, I'm a 6 out of 10.
00:34:11.000And then two minutes later, she goes, I'm a 1 out of 10.
00:34:13.000You're going to say this is a grand contradiction.
00:34:33.000Yes, but just going back to the first thing you said about the Bible contradicting itself, how would I know that that hasn't been changed too?
00:35:03.000So Jesus is God, the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, but there's only one God, you see.
00:35:10.000So this ain't no contradiction that I'm outlining right here.
00:35:13.000Because if you went to your child who's seven years old, and you said to him, look, we believe that the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, but there's only one God, and you do this, and you show your three fingers like that.
00:35:25.000I'm pretty sure that your child is going to say...
00:35:27.000This is a problem here, Dad, you know, because this is something which is basic, that this is a contradiction in the idea of conception of God.
00:35:37.000All Christians, Catholics believe in this, Protestants believe in this.
00:35:41.000And so Islam solves the problem, because what Islam does for you, it says, there's only one God, Jesus was not a God.
00:35:52.000We believe He's the second coming, all of that kind of stuff.
00:35:54.000But to believe that He's actually God, that we pray to Him, when He Himself, according to the Bible, was on a cross, and He was saying, God, God, why have you forsaken Me?
00:38:01.000If you do away with the law of non-contradiction, any absurdity follows, which means truth is not even something which is obtainable anymore.
00:38:24.000No, no, no, just on this point, I wouldn't agree because I'm saying to you that the laws of logic apply.
00:38:32.000God is the one who, we would say, He is the one who set the laws of logic Himself.
00:38:39.000The thing is, if you don't believe in the laws of logic, and for example, non-contradiction, or for example, 2 plus 2 equals 4, if you don't believe in any of that, then you can't have a conversation with anyone about anything because there's no common ground.
00:39:49.000That's something which you call an objective truth.
00:39:51.000If you don't have it, you won't be able to do physics, you won't be able to do science, you can't do logic, you can't even have a conversation.
00:40:04.000Fresh, my friend, if you really believed in what you're talking about right now, which is that you're okay to think that potentially the laws of logic or mathematics can be relative...
00:40:16.000Then really, where you see it right now...
00:43:52.000I want to pick your brains a little bit because I think you don't know.
00:43:55.000Your impact is actually quite a significant impact.
00:43:58.000And I think that you actually made some very interesting contributions, you know, especially what now they call it the men's rights movement or, you know, men's activism.
00:44:08.000And I think some of your contributions, frankly, are good.
00:44:32.000I mean, this is a subjective thing, right?
00:44:34.000For everyone, it's going to be different.
00:44:36.000So I don't really think there's a truly wrong or right answer.
00:44:40.000But what I will say is that it's going to probably err on the side of, obviously, a higher earner than average.
00:44:48.000Someone who has respect from other individuals, has a network of people that are also on his level as far as status, whether it's financial, social, etc.
00:44:58.000And he's somebody that other people want to essentially be like.
00:45:02.000I mean, to put it bluntly, is the guy that other women want to be with and other men want to be, if I'm going to put it very simply.
00:45:35.000So it just means a man that has worked on himself, he's successful in his own right, has a network of people around him that care about him and respect him, and at the same time has value to the marketplace.
00:45:45.000For example, maybe it could be singing, it could be, for example, his business, it could be, for example, his skill set to the public.
00:45:51.000Whatever that may be makes him high value in the eyes of other people as a whole.
00:47:32.000And there's ample evidence, there's a Quing study, which I think is the most authoritative, that hypergamy is true, in the sense that if a woman is given a choice between a man with a satiris paribus, everything else remaining the same, a man who's a higher earner versus a lower earner,
00:47:49.000she's always going to go for the higher earner, in fact.
00:47:53.000Likewise, a lot of the stuff about what you say about women, women who have less experience in what you call a body count or something like that, it's true that that's probably in the market, sexual market value is probably going to be less ceteris paribus, everything else remaining the same.
00:48:10.000Here's the thing that I would think that is important to distinguish between.
00:48:15.000This is why I asked you the question about intrinsic versus extrinsic.
00:48:19.000Because in this very strict parameter of how the other or the opposite gender sees that person for marriage or long-term committal relationship or even casual relationship, that this whole high-value man has weight.
00:48:36.000But if we're talking about intrinsically, as like, for example, remember I gave you the example of the block of gold versus the TikTok video.
00:48:43.000Intrinsically, a high-value man has always classically meant, usually in ethics, for example, all the way up to Christian morality and Islamic morality and Jewish morality, most of the world's cultures, a high-value man or a high-value woman, Has always been like a virtuous man or a virtuous woman.
00:49:00.000So virtue dictates the value of someone on an intrinsic level.
00:49:50.000It might be sought after in terms of like women might still want to be with him, but they don't really want to be with him because of what he is or who he is.
00:49:58.000They want to be with him because of what he can offer.
00:50:01.000In other words, they want to be with his money, really.
00:50:03.000They want to have access to his money.
00:50:14.000And so what I wanted to distinguish between is a high value man on an intrinsic level who exhibits things like temperance, magnanimity, forgiveness, mercy, kindness, but most and chief most among which is bravery because a man needs bravery more than a woman to provide and protect.
00:50:35.000So, I would agree with that, but my thing is, that's why I was very, because you only spoke about it from the female lens, like how women deem the guy high value, but what I'm saying is that you garner the respect of other men, and a coward does not garner the respect of other men.
00:50:51.000That's why it's very important, like when I look at this term, not to just look at it from the lens of what females are attracted to, rather, what do other men respect?
00:51:30.000Can I trust you to get something done and get it done when you say you're gonna get it done?
00:51:35.000Are you willing to stand up for not just yourself, but for other people that you love and care about?
00:51:41.000So cowardice has never been respected.
00:51:43.000I would say that the virtue, that argument that you're making, which I agree with actually, falls into the other men respecting you because that's what men respect is meritocracy.
00:51:54.000Well, I see what you're saying, but here's the thing.
00:51:56.000So this is an interesting parameter, but it's also an economic one.
00:52:11.000I think that a lot of the red pill stuff that we get involved in and stuff, or the discussions that we have, we overemphasize How much money we have to make in order to satisfy or to attract other women.
00:52:27.000And we under-emphasize the virtue aspect of it.
00:52:31.000And I'm not saying that the money aspect of it is not important.
00:52:34.000I'm pretty sure that the money aspect of it is important, especially depending on how generous the man is.
00:52:39.000Because if the man is not generous, which is one of the virtues, having a lot of money is not a problem.
00:52:44.000Even the woman, if she finds him to be stingy and wealthy, that combination will never work out because she knows what he's trying to do.
00:52:52.000So I feel like maybe, I don't know, moving forward with like fresh and fit and stuff, if we focus on the virtue aspect of things a little bit more, because I feel like the society is moving on to a degenerate state, bro.
00:53:31.000I've read the entire book cover to cover.
00:53:33.000And he mentions in his book that, you know, you need to sleep with 50 women or whatever it may be in order to achieve certain levels so you can really have the experience, yeah, to be with women.
00:53:44.000I think I've seen you, Fresh, mention something like that before because I watched a video before with you guys and Sneeko having a discussion on Destiny.
00:53:51.000Yeah, we've all, Fresh calls it spinning, not Fresh, excuse me, Rollo calls it spinning plates or plate theory.
00:54:11.000There is no evidence that having sex with a lot of women translates into an ability to understand women in the context of a committed relationship or a longevity relationship.
00:54:24.000So this is where the red pill makes a lot of claims, assertions, but they're not backed because the idea is I feel like there's just ad hoc justifications and rationalization for hedonism.
00:54:37.000Which is effectively just doing whatever you want and whatever you desire.
00:54:44.000The claim that if you have sex with a lot of women, that that's going to lead to you knowing women more and therefore having a stronger relationship, more longevity relationship with some kind of woman.
00:54:54.000But it doesn't seem to me that there's any evidence to that effect.
00:54:57.000Because I was looking at some studies on casual sex.
00:55:33.000They have to do it in a certain way to get the blessing.
00:55:36.000But what I will say is with the whole...
00:55:41.000Body, sleeping with women or whatever it may be.
00:55:43.000It's not necessarily to understand women better.
00:55:46.000It's to understand the women that you don't want to necessarily be with.
00:55:48.000And I think that's half the game because what ends up happening, right?
00:55:51.000And remember, I mean, you're in the UK, so you know this too.
00:55:54.000I mean, the UK is going through this as well.
00:55:56.000We live in a very hyper-sexualized world where women are more promiscuous than ever before.
00:56:00.000So my thing is, right, I look at it like, and I was just having a discussion with Andrew.
00:56:04.000He's a devout Orthodox Christian, and he saw my perspective on this too.
00:56:07.000If you're going to try to meet a woman in the West where they are promiscuous, they don't necessarily adhere to gender roles when it doesn't benefit them, they want a man that makes money, but they don't want to necessarily submit, etc., I think it's very important for you as a man to identify these women early on and not bring them into your life.
00:56:26.000Because the beauty of religion, right, whether it's Christianity or Islam or Judaism is that it basically had an institution of shame and it had what I call training wheels to keep women honest with their man.
00:56:39.000It pretty much shamed them for not doing things that they were supposed to do.
00:56:42.000But these training wheels are effectively gone.
00:56:45.000And unless you're a very religious man and you're meeting a very religious woman, it's going to be very difficult for you to find a woman that's virtuous.
00:57:09.000And with the way the family courts are set up, with the way divorce is set up, with the way it's basically an entire industry against men, I look at it like, if you're going to go ahead and you want to have a family one day, which is the nuclear family, which is the backbone of society, and you want to get married...
00:57:25.000You are taking on a tremendous amount of risk and I don't want you to go in blind.
00:57:28.000However, if you're getting married and the state isn't involved and there's no severe consequences to you financially, then sure, go ahead and be less sexually experienced and meet a woman because at least you're not going to be severely punished for it.
00:57:39.000But my thing is, the reason why I even gave that idea like, hey, get with more women so that you understand them, is because I just don't want men to deal with the whores of the family court.
00:57:57.000I just want to know what the evidence is of, for example, having intercourse with multiple women, what benefit, like let's say 50 to 30, what benefit are you alleging that it has on the man?
00:58:26.000So I'm not saying, oh, have a hard 50 and don't get married.
00:58:29.000It's like, no, if you find a girl that's worthy, that's fine.
00:58:32.000And I would argue that, like, our podcast is like, we're able to kind of fast line it where, you know, remember, this information hasn't been out for very long.
00:58:39.000So people are kind of learning now through us talking about it on our platform, etc.
00:58:43.000So they might not necessarily have to even hit 50 because they're learning from our mistakes.
00:59:22.000And actually, I was flicking through it right before I spoke to you.
00:59:25.000And I like that, like, you know, the...
00:59:28.000The statistics you have on here, one of them that you had on here was, for example, that a man will spend 30 hours or something like this, doing 30 hours doing speed dating online in order to just get one date, 1.46 date in the year or something like that.
00:59:46.000Now, what I'm saying is that to get 50 women, look, you know it's a numbers game and I know it's a numbers game.
00:59:52.000The feasibility, the amount of man hours that you're going to need to put in to have intercourse with 50 women that are not prostitutes, according to your statistics that you mentioned, right?
01:00:01.000The amount of man hours, we're talking about if he's going to use Tinder or some kind of an app.
01:00:06.000And according to these stats, he's going to need to do a lot of that, right?
01:00:09.000And the question of benefit here is an important one.
01:00:12.000Obviously from a religious standpoint, Muslims, Christians and Jews all agree that sex shouldn't even be done outside of marriage.
01:00:19.000Now, it is still possible to marry 50 women.
01:00:21.000I mean, I'm not saying you cannot marry and divorce 50 women.
01:00:29.000Of course, we wouldn't agree that one should do that.
01:00:32.000The point I'm trying to get at is that there isn't actually any good evidence that having intercourse with that many women would give you a kind of benefit in the relationship.
01:00:41.000In fact, you could argue for the opposite.
01:00:43.000Because if you get sex very easily, going back to the idea of virtue, then you can be less restrained in your sexual appetites.
01:00:54.000And this is something that in virtue ethics is referred to as temperance.
01:00:57.000So if you're less restrained, you don't have as much, you don't have as much restraint, for example.
01:01:16.000But he mentioned the point that if you have willpower in one area, for example, he mentioned fasting, religious fasting as an example, Roy Baumeister.
01:01:25.000If you have willpower and discipline in one area, it's transferable to other areas.
01:01:31.000The idea of getting 50 women having sex with them, which is difficult anyway, according to these stats, because just because you're dating a woman, it doesn't mean you're going to have sex with her.
01:01:38.000As you know, like for the average person, you guys might not be the average person because, you know, from a status perspective, you guys have got, you know, big channel, good money coming in.
01:01:47.000The guy's wearing a nice Rolex red face.
01:02:00.000And so it's not going to be easy to get sex like that.
01:02:03.000So, for them to put 30 hours to 50 hours to get one date, and then after that, to get like 100 of those dates, maybe 30, I don't know how many, what the numbers would be, a conversion rate.
01:02:13.000Five dates to one woman having sex, maybe?
01:02:17.000Keep in mind, right, because people tend to criticize my, you know, my idea that you should have sex with 50 women.
01:02:24.000But there's a bunch of other things I tell the guys to have in place as well.
01:02:27.000They should make a certain amount of money, 35 years old, be in shape.
01:02:31.000They need to have a bunch of things in line so that they can be in a position.
01:02:35.000And the reason why I say this, like, so here's what it is.
01:02:39.000Make six figures a year or more, have six months or a year of savings, be in shape, 50 women, and then be 35 years old.
01:02:46.000The reason why I say have these five things in place is because most women will look at you as a higher status, more attractive male, which will inevitably put her in her feminine, put you in your masculine, so the relationship ends up actually working because we all know what happens when you deal with a rambunctious woman.
01:03:04.000Now, does that mean that if the person reaches 10 bodies, 20 bodies, 30, 40, and he has other things in place, oh, no, sorry, baby, I can't commit to you because I need to hit 50.
01:04:23.000We're living in a time historians refer to as Pax Americana.
01:04:27.000It's a time where America is a superpower, and as a result, Western countries have not had to have wars where they themselves are in danger in the ways that they had in the past.
01:04:38.000It's more like incursions or invasions or whatever it may be.
01:04:41.000As a result, we in the West are living in a state of relative ease and comfort.
01:04:47.000Arthur Schopenhauer, a famous philosopher, he said that human beings or humankind, mankind, vacillates between extreme boredom and extreme fear.
01:05:00.000I think now we're living in an age of extreme boredom because we're not fearing that someone's going to kill us in a war context.
01:05:09.000We are missing what most cultures in the past referred to as rites of passage for men.
01:05:14.000This is where the masculinity crisis comes in.
01:05:17.000Because before, a man could prove that he is a man by stepping on the battlefield.
01:05:21.000Now, that kind of opportunity is no longer afforded to us on the same kind of level.
01:05:28.000And as a result, we have invented rites of passage for men so that they can feel like they have gone through a certain process and now they're men.
01:05:36.000And what I see with the Red Pill movement is that they've invented arbitrary and ad hoc rites of passage, which actually feed more into hedonistic liberal thinking.
01:06:01.000He didn't necessarily give a hard number.
01:06:05.000Yeah, I mean, what I'm saying to you is, in the time it would take you to find non-prostitutes that are 50 in number that you can have sex with in the West, you can spend making money for yourself, you can spend working on yourself, you can spend improving your bravery,
01:06:22.000improving your proficiency, your strength.
01:06:25.000Because the thing is, I feel like there's an underlying assumption with the red pill movement, yeah?
01:06:30.000And the assumption almost is that we should live our lives to make ourselves most marketable for women.
01:06:43.000And I talk about that in the book, too, is I want the guy to be the best version of himself, and then the women are a byproduct of it.
01:06:50.000And I'm very explicit about that in the book, that like, hey, I don't want guys running around chasing women, spending a bunch of time and money and resources on women that don't necessarily want them, because what will end up happening is what you mentioned before.
01:07:01.000So I want the guy to develop these characteristics Of obviously sticking to his word, having these masculine traits, being a leader, being dominant, being assertive, going out there and conquering the world and becoming successful, becoming a catch, then the women are a byproduct.
01:07:15.000Because whenever guys go ahead and chase women, a lot of problems arise.
01:07:18.000So I tell guys, focus on yourself first and then the pursuit of women can come after.
01:07:22.000That's why I said be at least 35 years old.
01:07:45.000So, right, if I give you a gun, right, you can either choose to use it as a tool to hunt, to eat, or you can use it to commit crimes, right?
01:07:55.000But I'm giving you the tool, and then it's up to you how you want to use it.
01:07:58.000That's exactly what this knowledge is.
01:08:01.000Some guys are going to use it to find their wife, be able to, you know, filter out the women that are worthy versus the women that aren't worthy, and they're able to use this skill set to their advantage for building a nuclear family.
01:08:10.000Other guys are going to use it for more hedonistic things that you disagree with, which I see your perspective on that.
01:08:16.000But my thing is I want to at least equip them with the tools so that they can decide what they want to do with their life.
01:08:21.000Because my fear is I don't want them to get in a situation where the woman is dictating everything because the guy is aloof and not aware of what's going on in naïve.
01:08:28.000And I think that aspect of it is probably where you excel the best and most because that aspect of it appeals to something deep within every single man, which is the ambitious drive to become better.
01:08:45.000And you know, like, I'm not sure if you've come across these archetypes, you know, the alpha male, the sigma male, and the beta male archetypes.
01:08:51.000You've seen them online, and the differences between them.
01:08:53.000You see, the sigma male archetype usually has what you're talking about.
01:08:57.000He doesn't really care about what the woman is doing or saying or thinking.
01:09:02.000It's more his, you know, he is a status figure and as a result women are coming towards him and so on.
01:09:08.000So here what I'm trying to advocate is more in line with that Sigma male archetype rather than the Alpha male or Beta male archetype.
01:09:15.000So what I wanted to add as well is that the thing with Red Pill, bro, is There's a few elusive but important things in the manual of Red Pill, which I think you need to be aware of.
01:09:29.000So, for example, if you look at Ronald Tomás' book, he mentions that this is not an ideology, but this is a praxology.
01:09:36.000I don't know if you've come across this terminology, yeah?
01:09:58.000The 50 rule, the vasectomy that he talks about, all those kind of things, which are arbitrary in my opinion, and there's scanty evidence for their benefit, like I've said before, right?
01:10:06.000But the vasectomy, the lack of family, don't get married, you know, these kinds of things that he talks about.
01:10:11.000Don't get married and, you know, the iron laws and how many people you have to have sex with and all that kind of thing.
01:10:18.000He just doesn't advocate with how we do it today, with the state being involved.
01:10:24.000And I totally, totally sympathize with that viewpoint, especially with the woman taking half of your wealth.
01:10:30.000We would consider that to be a grand injustice anyway.
01:10:34.000And a lot of the things about how a woman can withhold the children, and that's where I agree with Red Pill.
01:10:39.000That's totally where I agree with them.
01:10:40.000I think that's where the strongest arguments lie.
01:10:43.000However, I'm going back to the point that there's something quite elusive about this situation because when something becomes ideological, when does something become ideological?
01:10:52.000It becomes ideological when it becomes what you call teleological, when it becomes prescriptive to some extent.
01:10:58.000And something can become prescriptive to some extent even if someone's making suggestions and giving advice.
01:11:03.000I feel like Rollo Tomasi doesn't understand this point, because I saw his discussion with you and Sneeko and Destiny, and although I don't like the Lata person I just mentioned, Destiny, there, I don't like him.
01:11:20.000Him, Ben Shapiro, and all these other people that I mentioned in that discussion, they're not even men.
01:11:24.000They don't even meet the threshold of men.
01:11:26.000But putting that to the side, what I'm saying is that The red pill ideology is prescriptive and therefore it meets the threshold of ideological.
01:11:42.000Do they have partners with God that have legislated that which he has not permitted?
01:11:48.000When someone tells me to do something or not to do something, the question is from what greater authority are you coming with this information?
01:11:54.000And people like Roland Tomasi, with all due respect to him, because he is a clever guy and he's respectable and I've seen his book and some of the stuff I totally agree with him on it.
01:12:01.000But what authority do you have to give me iron laws or any kind of laws?
01:12:48.000But the point I'm making to you is, going back to the point that we, in the West, we have these rites of passage that we think we have to go through in order to be men.
01:12:56.000But the truth is, the rites of passage that you have to go through in order to be men is increasing and bettering all those virtues which are seen by cross-culturally, cross-religions, Christians, Muslims, Jews, everyone can agree, all those things.
01:13:11.000Are good things, like for example, being brave, temperance, for example, having magnanimity, for example, having forgiveness, for example, being loving, for example, not being foolhardy, for example, not being cowardly, for example, and so on and so forth.
01:13:47.000If Musk one day is walking the street, Elon Musk, and he's with his kid, or he's with his wife, and someone slaps his wife, or shouts at his wife, or spits on his wife, and he cannot intervene and defend in a proper manner, or at least tries to defend her, I don't care how much money he's got,
01:14:05.000how many platforms he owns, how many companies he's got.
01:14:07.000He doesn't even meet the threshold of man anymore.
01:14:11.000He's not even a man anymore, let alone high-value man.
01:14:14.000It doesn't matter how much money you've got.
01:14:36.000A lot of people don't know this stuff, but we do daytime shows, right?
01:14:39.000Similar to this one that we're doing right now, where, obviously, you're a special guest, so we're not doing it today.
01:14:44.000But on Mondays, we talk about how to earn money, right?
01:14:46.000And obviously, earning, with becoming successful, earning money, you have to have certain characteristics of being disciplined, exercising temperance, being dedicated, etc., and putting off hedonism a lot of the times to become successful.
01:14:56.000On Wednesdays, we talk about how to properly date and vet women.
01:14:59.000And then on Fridays, we answer We answer questions.
01:15:01.000We tell guys that they need to get in shape, etc.
01:15:03.000So, unfortunately, right, and this is kind of one of the things, me being very open here about our podcast, our daytime shows don't get as much views and clips and virality because...
01:15:43.000They gave me so much criticism for standing by Andrew when he was going through that bullshit with the thing.
01:15:48.000But to me, it's second nature because that's just a masculine trait where if you're my friend, I don't give a fuck what anyone says about you.
01:15:54.000I know that you're innocent and I'm going to defend you regardless of whether it's popular or not.
01:16:00.000But obviously, these things that we talk about never get highlighted, unfortunately.
01:16:04.000What gets highlighted is us dunking on bimbos and they assume that that's all we talk about.
01:16:08.000But we do really focus on trying to get guys to self-improve and have these virtuous traits that you're talking about, not being a coward, sticking to your word.
01:16:16.000Not being a backbiter, standing by your friends when they need you.
01:16:19.000Because that is something that I agree with you that is lost in the West in general.
01:16:22.000It's something that's lost in Gen Z, especially where for them, it's all about making content and going viral.
01:16:28.000There's no honor almost in today's day and age.
01:17:52.000You need to exhibit some of those virtues that we're talking about in the sense that, okay, if they're talking about your religion, because you're a Muslim, right?
01:18:21.000We need to have as much an emotional investment in the principles that we hold to be true as we do with issues to do with gender and so on.
01:18:30.000For example, I've seen you get mad a few times with some woman in your studio that was, I don't know, saying certain things and then she left and you got mad at her.
01:18:43.000The companions of the Prophet, companions of the Prophet Muhammad, when things would be said about him, attacks, slurs, and so on, they would get vexed because they have an emotional attachment to religion.
01:18:57.000Malcolm X famously said, the man that stands for nothing will fall for anything.
01:19:03.000And so I feel like it's not a problem if you want to bring Tommy Robinson.
01:19:06.000I've seen him on your show before or anybody else.
01:19:09.000But I feel like there needs to be pushback when they come with nonsense about the religion.
01:19:14.000And if not, like, okay, you might say, well, I don't have the knowledge for that.
01:19:18.000But say, for example, Tommy Robinson, you can call him out and say, so how come you haven't debated...
01:19:23.000Mohammed Hijab or somebody else who's also offered you that in the past and you haven't done it.
01:19:28.000Why are you coming and speaking about it with me, for example?
01:19:31.000But so long as there is some kind of a reaction that the Muslim audience can say, okay, this guy, he's one of us and yes, he has the same emotional investments as we do.
01:19:41.000Just like Fresh, in the beginning, you can see he has an emotional investment to Christianity.
01:20:17.000I get Myron's standpoint as well, but I get what you're saying too.
01:20:20.000But he just likes the guest speak because for our show, even you yourself, we let you talk the whole time because you're the guest, you know?
01:20:36.000That's the most important thing to me, right?
01:20:38.000And one thing that I'm really big on is even if I disagree with you, I will divorce my emotions from what you say to let you say your piece because I think it's very important that people are able to say what they want to say uninterrupted and sometimes without pushback.
01:20:53.000Now, and I'll explain what I mean by not giving pushback sometimes.
01:20:57.000On that show, because people tend to forget context, right?
01:21:00.000One of the girls on the panel asked Laura, Hey, you're banned all over social media.
01:21:06.000Then she went into her views on Islam, why she was banned, etc.
01:21:10.000Though I don't agree with it, and I also don't agree with a bunch of her opinions on foreign policy, especially with Israel, etc.
01:21:18.000I respect the fact that she's a guest, she's answering a question from another member on the panel, and though I don't agree with her, I'm going to let her answer that question.
01:21:27.000And to go ahead and try to have a debate with her about Islam and religion and everything else like that in the middle of a podcast where we have nine other women at the table and we have 30,000 people watching, it would be counterproductive to the show.
01:21:38.000Yeah, but do you employ the same exact attitude when it comes to people that are opposing you on your gender issue discussions?
01:21:47.000Like, for example, like I said, there are clips of you when you're speaking to those, I don't know what they are, prostitutes, escorts, what they are.
01:21:53.000Sorry to say, no disrespect to them, because now sex work has become a thing.
01:22:21.000Yeah, so normally when I kick a girl out, again, this is the negative side of clips.
01:22:25.000When you see me tell a girl, get the fuck up outta here, That's typically after two hours of hurting the part of the show, being annoying, over-speaking, interrupting the other guests on the show.
01:22:36.000I really try to exercise a lot of patience when women are misbehaving on the podcast and being difficult, right?
01:22:43.000And when you see me blow up and tell them, get the hell out of here, that's typically been the culmination of multiple hours of them being annoying.
01:22:48.000And the audience knows that's watching, but unfortunately it gets clipped and they make it look like, oh, this guy just kicked her out and went crazy because she disagreed with him.
01:22:54.000And I even say it before I do the show, I will never kick you off for disagreeing with me.
01:23:29.000So like, in a sense, you could argue, well, this is a free speech situation, you know, let them say whatever you want.
01:23:35.000If they know her personally, or let's say she's a public figure, let's say she's a public figure or they know her personally and they start attacking her.
01:24:12.000So there's no contradiction in free speech if someone says something that you disagree with, that you challenge them, or that you defer them.
01:25:01.000Do you understand where I'm coming from?
01:25:02.000That, okay, free speech doesn't mean, doesn't preclude that you can also respond in kind with aggression and emotion.
01:25:09.000Like, for example, like I said before, if your parents, either or both of them were public figures, and they were being attacked or besmirched online, yeah, then you can respond to that.
01:25:19.000If you are being besmirched, if someone comes and says to you, listen, you're a scumbag, this, this, that, whatever, and defaming you and whatever, and you respond in kind, I'm sure you've probably done your fair share of refutations and repudiations in the past.
01:25:30.000So what I'm trying to say is that we as Muslims, in terms of how we consider our holy prophet, we have red lines.
01:25:40.000Obviously, Andrew Tate has spoken about this at length when he said that when he came into Islam, one of the things that attracted him to Islam was the boundaries.
01:25:50.000So for us as Muslims, there's wars that have started in Islamic history as a result of things that were said and done, which were deemed to be disrespectful.
01:26:04.000One of the things that you'd put as like the virtues is that every man has to have consequences in it.
01:26:09.000And if they think it's okay to come speak to someone like Myron Gaines, who has clout and he has status in the community, who's part of the men's activism movement, And go for his religion effectively in front of him and that he's not really going to care about or something like that.
01:26:25.000That actually deprecates your character in a certain way.
01:26:28.000Because then if they speak about your religion today, tomorrow they're going to speak about your mum.
01:26:31.000And after tomorrow they're going to speak about your dua.
01:27:28.000And if she made comments like that, and we were having a different type of show, and there weren't nine other girls on the panel, and one of them didn't ask her personally for her opinion, because that's what she asked was, tell me why you got kicked off, and she gave her a reason why.
01:27:44.000I can't really argue with her about why she got kicked off.
01:27:49.000I totally understand what you're saying.
01:27:53.000But someone can do that in an underhanded manner.
01:27:55.000For example, the same analogy can be applied back to the whole mother thing.
01:27:59.000Someone can say, well, the reason this is because you're mother.
01:28:01.000But once again, if someone brings it up, it's a disrespect, effectively, bro.
01:28:07.000So anything that could be considered to be a disrespect.
01:28:11.000Famously, Khabib, when he was with Connor, And Conor tried to underhandedly disrespect Khabib by putting drink on his table and stuff like that.
01:28:48.000But there's a time to have fun and there's a time to get serious.
01:28:51.000And so I just feel like when it comes to religion and family, faith and family in particular, these two things are always going to be red lines for any man and should be always red lines for any man.
01:29:01.000That's why even the Quran instructs us not to attack religions of other people and mock them.
01:29:15.000So if I were to come and Fresh is a very polite guy, if I try to attack him and say, you know, this and that, and try to mock him, that would be something that Islam doesn't allow.
01:29:23.000And otherwise, shouldn't be allowed in the sense that a man shouldn't allow for another man.
01:29:30.000Now, obviously, I'm not saying anything about laws.
01:29:32.000I'm not making a political argument here.
01:29:33.000I'm not saying, oh, therefore, we should ban this or we should ban that.
01:29:36.000I'm just making the point that a man has to have his boundaries.
01:29:59.000The point is, with the show, me and Myron, whatever guest comes on the show, their opinions, their actual, I want to say, mindset, for example, their ideologies is on them.
01:30:15.000Yeah, especially in response to someone's question, because the Islamic community tried to come at me for that, and I was like, okay, well, they don't know the context that she was answering a question, and that's why it is.
01:30:27.000But also, it might be that you didn't know that this is how you should react.
01:30:31.000Because actually, Islamically speaking, you've got to respond to that.
01:30:35.000Like, there's an ayah in the Quran that says, وَإِذَا رَأَيَاتِ اللَّهِ يُكْفَرُوا بِهَا وَيُسْتَحْزَأُ بِهَا فَلَا تَقَعَضُوا مَعْهُمْ حَتَّى يَخُضُوا فِي حَدِيثٍ غَيْرِهِ You know, there's a verse that said, if people attack the religion and the ayat and the verses of God and you see them mocking it,
01:32:11.000I never thought a man with that kind of level was someone that should be on my radar because I don't know how many even how subscribers he's got is unqualified, untrained.
01:32:21.000I beat his best friend who is much more qualified and trained than him.
01:34:38.000We do bring a multitude of girls from different, obviously the OnlyFans girls are the ones that go viral, but we've had doctors on the show, we've had lawyers on the show, we've had law enforcement on the show, we've had women that are professional, we've brought religious women on.
01:34:51.000Do you go to the directory of prostitutes and just go and call them up and say, listen, we'll give you this much money instead of doing a sexual act, come on TV? No, never, never.
01:35:35.000There have been girls, absolutely, that do OnlyFans, right?
01:35:38.000But we've also had a bunch of women that work professional jobs.
01:35:41.000Every panel that we have, there's a few women on the panel most of the time that do some type of professional work or educate or whatever, because we try to have it where we have women from different walks of life on the podcast.
01:35:52.000I think that's very important to bring different perspectives.
01:39:16.000These kind of philosophical distinctions are not there.
01:39:18.000Number two, it doesn't even solve the problem.
01:39:20.000Because you've got three unique, distinct centers of consciousness.
01:39:26.000So if the Father has a center of consciousness, the Son has a center of consciousness, the Holy Spirit has a center of consciousness, that's three distinct entities that we're talking about.
01:39:33.000And each of them individually are God.
01:40:55.000We all know the answer to this question.
01:40:57.000So what I'm saying is, if you want to do away with logic, then you can't have a conversation with anyone about anything.
01:41:03.000You should close down Fresh and Fit and say that we have decided to close down Fresh and Fit because we have decided there's no such thing as logical truths.
01:41:13.000And so when the woman comes on, the bimbo comes on, and the talk, what's that thing called?
01:44:53.000When in the Bible it's mentioned, when it's mentioned in Matthews, that blessed be the peacemakers for they shall be called the sons of God.
01:46:31.000Okay, that's not what the Son of God means in any ordinary language or any terminological language.
01:46:36.000The Son of God means that it can either mean adoption or it can mean biological son, begotten son.
01:46:43.000So I'm asking you, what do you mean by the Son of God?
01:46:47.000Well, in terms of this example right here, like, obviously we could be sons of God too, but the actual title for Jesus Christ is King, Christ the Lord.
01:48:19.000Yeah, I'm making the argument that God doesn't have any limits and that if God were to become a man or to not exist, that that would put a limitation on God.
01:49:34.000The second thing is, in terms of the crucifixion and resurrection, we're talking about an alleged history, which is, by the way, contradicted.
01:49:44.000Because you have early accounts, for example, in the Talmud, which is a Jewish book, saying that Jesus wasn't crucified, but instead he was stoned.
01:49:55.000What you call the Babylonian Talmud is mentioned that he was stoned.
01:49:59.000Other early accounts of the Gnostics, they mentioned that he was substituted, in fact.
01:50:04.000So you have early accounts from different histories that say different things about what happened to him on the cross.
01:50:11.000So if it was so clear, like you say, then how can we have primary source material from different places that have contradictory information about how he died or if he died, even?
01:51:19.000I say that one and two, no, I don't believe he was crucified or resurrected or any of that stuff.
01:51:24.000So that means because I have this view of history as a historian or an academic or otherwise, that now I must spend my entire afterlife and eternity sizzling, burning, cracking, popping, In a fire,
01:51:40.000do you think that was something that a merciful God would do?
01:51:43.000If I don't believe that Jesus died for my sins, I must be eternally damned, doomed, destroyed in a hellfire.
01:52:13.000If we're sincere about the situation, honestly, There's only one solution, which is to believe there's only one God that is the creator of the heavens and the earth, that is not begotten, that does not beget, does not have children, himself is not a child of anybody,
01:52:30.000that there's nothing like him, he's the all-powerful one, he's the all-knowing one, He is the one who wills anything that he wants to will.
01:52:39.000That's the God that we should believe in.
01:52:41.000That's what's going to give you power and strength.
01:52:43.000As a man on a Fresh and Fit podcast, what's going to give you power and strength is believing that the most powerful one is your Lord, not the one who, quote unquote, humbled himself and died on a cross and humbled a week.
01:52:55.000Because when you attach yourself to weakness, you become weak.
01:52:58.000And when you attach yourself to the ultimate strength, you become strength.
01:53:15.000Look into Islam properly, brother, because I think, hopefully I've planted the seed into your heart today by looking at the key doctrines of Christianity and showing you how nonsensical they are on an ordinary analysis for a lay person.
01:55:52.000I mean, this person is probably a Pornhub addict.
01:55:55.000You know, what's that thing they call it?
01:55:58.000The OnlyFans addict, do you get what I'm saying?
01:56:01.000You know, this guy is probably in pot noodle now because he's by himself and he's one of the people that has been on Tinder for all this time.
01:56:14.000I will say, Hijab, I did see your video on porn and how to think about it and it was a very good breakdown of what you should do and what it really is and what you're lacking when you do that.
01:57:48.000Debating God and religion is not quite right because God simply says the wisdom of man, meaning the baiters, is foolishness in the eyes of God.
01:57:55.000You can't read your own book and use it to confirm the book itself and to disprove another religious book.
01:59:04.000So if Jesus is God and he died for our sins, then you believe that not only God can die in addition to that he died at the hands of his own creation.
01:59:21.000Myron, keep 100 women who are experienced care more about a man's sexual performance than his love for her.
01:59:26.000That's why men should sleep around before getting serious.
01:59:29.000I mean, in some way, that is very telling.
01:59:33.000I mean, yeah, I didn't go into all the weeds of it, guys, because obviously that wasn't the purpose of today's show, but I see your perspective.
01:59:53.000No, I mean, he wouldn't be exempt if he has to trade for a fight.
01:59:56.000So he should do what, like, a lot of these other guys do and come outside of Ramadan and fight outside, like in Hamzat and Islam Makhachev and a lot of these, Khabib, famously, he didn't, none of these guys used to fight or still do fight in Ramadan.
02:00:48.000Really, just to avoid zinnah, it's a five-minute process, really.
02:00:52.000Like, I'm only saying this because, obviously, Myron, we want you to keep you safeguarded and chased as well.
02:00:58.000Which is the fact that, for example, if you have a Muslim or Christian or Jew, because Muslims are allowed to, Muslim men are allowed to marry Christian women or Jewish women.
02:01:06.000Muslim women are not allowed to marry Christian men or Jewish men, only Muslim men.
02:01:10.000But Muslim women, sorry, Muslim men are allowed to marry Christian and Jewish women.
02:01:14.000So say, for example, you met a Christian woman or a Jewish woman, yeah, or a Muslim woman, and you want to marry her, all you would do is you'd get two witnesses, And two witnesses, two male witnesses, male witnesses, who are Muslim,
02:01:30.000that they would effectively witness what you're saying.
02:01:49.000Really and truly, it's a five minute process and you don't need to fall into what would be considered to be a major sin in the religion of Islam.
02:02:35.000I definitely, I had a bunch of questions here, Mohamed, that we didn't get to get to because we talked about the other stuff.
02:02:40.000But we'll definitely bring you back and I want to ask more questions about the religion itself so that people can get a better understanding of Islam because obviously there's a lot of negative stereotypes that I wanted you to kind of debunk, but we didn't have time today, unfortunately.
02:03:23.000I'm ravaged, if you like, you know, by the community and by outside the community because I used to be talking directly about feminism and stuff like that.
02:03:31.000So there's also stuff if you wanted to have arguments against feminism.
02:03:35.000I've done lots and lots of work on that as well.