Fresh & Fit - May 20, 2024


Steve Mayeda On How Child Custody Battles Can Ruin Men's Lives


Episode Stats

Length

1 hour and 24 minutes

Words per Minute

184.31873

Word Count

15,535

Sentence Count

1,354

Misogynist Sentences

48

Hate Speech Sentences

25


Summary

On today's episode of the Freshman Podcast, we have special guest, Stephen Cook! We talk about how to save money through the Family Court system, how to protect your kids in court, and much more. Thanks to everyone for all the support, stay tuned for more episodes and stay tuned to the future of the show! Stay tuned for the next episode where we talk about the NHL Playoffs and the NHL Stanley Cup Finals! Also, don't forget to subscribe on your favorite streaming platform so you don't miss out on any new episodes! Have a question, suggestion or topic request? Hit us up on Anchor.fm/TheFreshmanPodcast and we'll get right to it! Peace, Blessings, Cheers, EJ & Rory - The Freshmen Podcast Hosted By: Jacob & Duck & Co-Hosted by: Owen Cook and Co-hosted by D'Andra Welcome back to another episode of The Freshman PODCAST! This episode is brought to you by Fresh FM Podcast, hosted by Jacob and Duck! We are back with a new sponsor, Castle Club! and we are so excited to have them on the show, we can't wait to bring you more content from them! (and they are coming soon, so stay tuned! , stay tuned, stay tune in for more! . Jacob, Duck, Jacob, Jacob & Co! - EJoby, Eoby, and Eoby Eoby and Cooby, . . . Eoby , Eoby & Cooby. , Eeyore , Cooby & Eoby_ . . - Cooby - Ooby, Ooby , Ooby! Eday, Eday Cooby! , Eday & Cooy, Ebooby, Cooby ( ) . , and Eday! & Eday and Cooy! ... ( ) , Eby, Eayore, Eyo, Eeeee, Ebyeee, Eoeyeeeeee , etc.. ...and Eday , Eeee!! And Eee , Ceeee ! , & Eayee, & Eee, , Geeeeeee... Thank you, EYEE :)


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00:04:44.000 And we are live.
00:04:45.000 What's up, guys?
00:04:46.000 Welcome to the Freshman Podcast.
00:04:47.000 It's Monday, where we're going to be talking about how to save your money through the family courts.
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00:09:02.000 We got some really cool ideas of what we're going to do, holding events, doing more IRL streams, all that other stuff.
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00:09:17.000 But that's pretty much it.
00:09:19.000 And one more thing.
00:09:19.000 And of course, a big thank you to Jacob and Duck.
00:09:22.000 These guys have been catching the Castle Club chats for us throughout these weeks since we've been on Locals.
00:09:28.000 So, big ups to you guys.
00:09:29.000 Thank you, Jacob, man.
00:09:30.000 Jacob and Duck.
00:09:31.000 Without further ado, guests of honor.
00:09:33.000 Welcome, Stephen.
00:09:34.000 What's up?
00:09:35.000 Welcome, man.
00:09:38.000 We first saw you on Owen Cook's channel talking about this stuff, and he told me he had to delete the video because it was so intense, what you were telling him, the stories you were telling him about child care, custody, and the battle in court.
00:09:50.000 So tell us who you are, brother, because we know who you are, but they may not know who you are.
00:09:53.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:09:53.000 No, my name's Steve Maeda.
00:09:55.000 I've been a men's coach for a long time.
00:09:57.000 Like, I go way back with Owen.
00:09:59.000 So Owen, I got mad respect for.
00:10:02.000 First off...
00:10:03.000 We met about 20 years ago, and the dude blew me away because back then we were both coaches, as he calls OG social coaches, but makeup artists and that sort of thing.
00:10:14.000 And this dude, everybody was crazy in that industry way back when.
00:10:19.000 And, like, just sociopathically crazy, like, bad people.
00:10:22.000 And I'm like, what's going on, you know?
00:10:24.000 And here was this dude who had, like, traits of those guys, like, fought really, like, rapidly and super ADHD. And he helped myself and, like, a competitor basically work a workshop in Hawaii.
00:10:40.000 And he was living there at the time.
00:10:42.000 And at the time, he was not Owen Cook, who we know.
00:10:45.000 He was the guy in the game that was the bad dude.
00:10:47.000 Like, everybody hated Owen.
00:10:49.000 Everybody hated Tyler Durden, which was his name.
00:10:52.000 And, man, his whole point was to help my coworker out.
00:10:57.000 He was like, hey, man, you're a lot like me.
00:10:59.000 Don't fuck your life up.
00:11:00.000 Like, here's the things I'm working on.
00:11:02.000 At the time, the blueprint wasn't out.
00:11:04.000 He gave us, like, a whole seminar on it and all that sort of stuff.
00:11:07.000 And it was just so compassionate.
00:11:10.000 And also just eating out with them.
00:11:12.000 There was, like, this homeless person that was having, like, a lot of problems.
00:11:15.000 And no one went over and basically was just like, hey, man, can I help you out?
00:11:19.000 You know?
00:11:20.000 And I just thought, man, this is, like, a really good guy.
00:11:22.000 Good heart.
00:11:22.000 And then he became, you know, like, ultra-famous guy.
00:11:26.000 And...
00:11:28.000 It was like, holy shit.
00:11:29.000 And we knew each other, you know, mildly.
00:11:33.000 His company just exploded, man.
00:11:35.000 And it was so good to see.
00:11:37.000 And I always knew him as that.
00:11:38.000 So people would always say, like, oh, man, he's crazy.
00:11:40.000 He does this and that.
00:11:40.000 And I never knew him that way.
00:11:41.000 I only knew him as the genuine guy who...
00:11:45.000 Man, really cared.
00:11:46.000 He came in this world with whatever he had, which is brilliant and amazing, but he turned it into something a lot more.
00:11:52.000 So I always really respected him for that.
00:11:53.000 He's a good dude.
00:11:54.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, man.
00:11:55.000 So he reached out to me about a year ago and was like, hey man, I got this issue and I looked on YouTube and you were all over it.
00:12:04.000 You were like the dude on custody stuff and what to do if you have an accidental pregnancy.
00:12:10.000 And like, man, I want to talk to you.
00:12:11.000 And, you know, it was hard to sync up, hard to sync up.
00:12:14.000 I live in Austin.
00:12:16.000 And he was like, you know, if I make it to Austin and if you make it to L.A. And it took us, I guess, a year to do it.
00:12:22.000 And then we did it.
00:12:23.000 And on that first podcast, this is a crazy thing, man.
00:12:26.000 So this guy, he...
00:12:29.000 He starts recording at like 1 a.m.
00:12:31.000 And I'm on Texas time, so that's 3 a.m.
00:12:33.000 And then he was like, dude, that went too intense.
00:12:36.000 That was too intense.
00:12:37.000 Sounds like Owen, bro.
00:12:38.000 Let's do it again.
00:12:40.000 Let's do it again tomorrow.
00:12:40.000 He's like, that was nuclear, dude.
00:12:41.000 That was nuclear, man.
00:12:42.000 Chill out, bro.
00:12:43.000 Chill out.
00:12:43.000 Hey, man, I'll tell you this.
00:12:44.000 Being on camera with that guy, like dead tired and doing two episodes back to back like the next night.
00:12:49.000 Bro, his energy's unreal.
00:12:51.000 But he's so intelligent on camera, because I've done a lot of camera stuff, and I've never been with somebody who could flow that good, and I'm like tired as fucking shit on the thing, and man, it was brilliant.
00:13:05.000 And so it's very rare that you're with somebody that's that, like, man, impromptu and got it, you know?
00:13:10.000 Gotcha.
00:13:11.000 Alright, so we gotta know from the very beginning.
00:13:13.000 How do we avoid this in totality from the very beginning?
00:13:16.000 Because, you know, things happen.
00:13:18.000 We're meant to be out here in the world and, you know, we have fun.
00:13:20.000 But how do we avoid this happening?
00:13:22.000 Child custody, all this stuff happening.
00:13:24.000 Well, fundamentally, let's talk about this.
00:13:27.000 Child custody, if it goes wrong, it's always going to go wrong in the very beginning.
00:13:30.000 It can also go wrong in the end, but it starts out bad.
00:13:33.000 And this is where men don't know anything, and they're not educated, and we get all this different stuff from different angles.
00:13:39.000 But where it screws up is somebody's first appearance with either mediation or mediation with the Attorney General or in front of a judge.
00:13:47.000 And nobody educates you on this because you expect to go into court just going, man, I'm a good dad.
00:13:52.000 I'm a good dad.
00:13:53.000 Like, here's me.
00:13:54.000 Here's who I am.
00:13:55.000 You don't know how to address the judge.
00:13:56.000 You don't know what motions are.
00:13:58.000 You don't know any of this stuff.
00:14:00.000 And so you just go in having faith in, like, the American justice system.
00:14:03.000 Oh, boy.
00:14:04.000 Which is...
00:14:05.000 Like, it goes from being a good dad and your friends and family going like, man, you know, just tell them the truth and all this sort of stuff, and you basically get your ass handed to you.
00:14:15.000 And the tragedy is so bad because, you know, what you guys are talking about, like, man, up your game, like, be powerful, all this sort of stuff.
00:14:25.000 When you're a guy...
00:14:26.000 That all your life, like the best man, the best man by American standards or Western world standards, all this sort of stuff.
00:14:32.000 You care about your kids.
00:14:33.000 You give everything for it.
00:14:34.000 You sacrifice your work, your life, your health, all this stuff for your kids, for your family, and your soon-to-be ex or your baby mama, your wife.
00:14:44.000 It depends if you're divorced or in custody or whatever, different things.
00:14:47.000 But you do everything for that.
00:14:50.000 The best man, the best man with the best heart who cares for everything that we're supposed to care about in our culture, like good families, is going to fight for that.
00:14:58.000 And he gets fucked.
00:15:00.000 And women...
00:15:02.000 You know, man, like...
00:15:05.000 Women are beautiful.
00:15:07.000 Women, though, when they get into that mode, turn super territorial.
00:15:11.000 Men do, too.
00:15:12.000 And they'll pull all the stops.
00:15:13.000 And once they realize they have some sort of advantage, and again, you're walking into a court system which is not going to favor men immediately, but it doesn't have to go that way, you get hit hard.
00:15:23.000 And you're alone.
00:15:24.000 You don't want to talk about it.
00:15:26.000 There's all this stuff about men's mental health and, like, let's do this and that.
00:15:31.000 Let's be strong and powerful.
00:15:33.000 But when you are devastated because you can't see your kids and you're used to, maybe you work the whole time, and the mother tucked them in at night and made food for them, but you were still around.
00:15:43.000 And all of a sudden you have no rights.
00:15:45.000 All of a sudden you have nothing.
00:15:47.000 Man, you start contemplating in some normal ways things like suicide, things like vengeance, harming yourself, harming others, disappearing.
00:15:55.000 And you take the high road as a man and you try and be strong.
00:15:58.000 You're ashamed of how weak you feel.
00:16:00.000 You beg back for the relationship.
00:16:02.000 All the simp stuff that we hear about.
00:16:05.000 But those are traits of a strong man put in a horrible situation where he's forced and humiliated to stay weak.
00:16:14.000 And it's the toughest thing.
00:16:15.000 So when guys come to me, so basically what I do is I work with guys through their whole legal case and we help with the mental side, the legal side.
00:16:21.000 We have a whole group.
00:16:22.000 It's like a 24-7 support system.
00:16:24.000 And guys are like, man, you know, why...
00:16:29.000 You know, she's a bitch.
00:16:30.000 She did this, da da da da.
00:16:32.000 But then they're like, but I'll do anything.
00:16:34.000 I'll do anything to get her back because it's better for my kids.
00:16:36.000 I'll do whatever it is.
00:16:37.000 I don't give a fuck.
00:16:39.000 And you sit there and you see this guy going down a road that statistically by far is not going to work and is going to fuck him worse.
00:16:46.000 But he has some of the most noble traits of a guy.
00:16:49.000 So we have this crazy conflict from the advice he gets from the man side of things.
00:16:54.000 The PC feminist culture is just fucked with it because every man is just dangerous and violent.
00:16:59.000 And if he can't see his kids, it's not as bad as a mom who can't see her kids.
00:17:03.000 It's this horrible, horrible thing.
00:17:05.000 So, man, how do we avoid it?
00:17:07.000 On what levels?
00:17:08.000 I mean, on Owen's level, what he's talking about...
00:17:11.000 He goes, man, get people to wear condoms.
00:17:14.000 And one thing I will say, if you're a man and you're with women, okay, I have four kids.
00:17:19.000 One was through a relationship that was committed and all that sort of stuff.
00:17:23.000 And the other kids were, or two kids from a committed relationship.
00:17:27.000 The other two kids were from kind of like riffraffing around and all that sort of stuff.
00:17:31.000 If you're a man and you're sexually active, And you have the ability to do that.
00:17:36.000 I think you're better off in our world.
00:17:39.000 There's a whole bunch of people that talk about the different moral values and whatnot, but people have different roads and all this sort of stuff.
00:17:45.000 But if you're a man and you're good with women, this is going to happen.
00:17:48.000 This is going to happen in some way.
00:17:50.000 So Owen was like, hammer down on the condoms.
00:17:53.000 Help men get saved in this way.
00:17:55.000 But the fact of the matter is, and you should be safe, all that sort of stuff, but it doesn't happen.
00:18:01.000 And a lot of guys don't use condoms.
00:18:04.000 Women lie about birth control.
00:18:06.000 Women might make a mistake about birth control.
00:18:08.000 All this sort of stuff.
00:18:09.000 And pregnancies happen, man.
00:18:11.000 And the moment when you get that call, you're like, fuck, my life is over.
00:18:15.000 And the female's all fired up.
00:18:18.000 So if it's a casual situation, she's like, well, what are you going to do?
00:18:21.000 Are you going to care for me?
00:18:22.000 It just switched, right?
00:18:23.000 It just switched from like, yeah, baby, da-da-da-da, and whatever shit's going on, to like, what are you going to do?
00:18:29.000 What are you going to do?
00:18:30.000 I talk to my friends, and I have power.
00:18:33.000 And her friends probably don't really know, but if she goes to the courts and realizes that power, it gets fucking bad.
00:18:38.000 And everybody catches wise.
00:18:40.000 So, if this happens in a casual setting, and you...
00:18:44.000 Man, I'll share actually like a pretty brutal story, but...
00:18:48.000 My buddy, this is way back when, and he actually passed away, but he was a pimp.
00:18:53.000 And he said, look, man, if you knock a chick up...
00:18:57.000 Now, I'm not suggesting to do this, but this will portray the mentality.
00:19:01.000 And he says, if you knock a chick up, You got three months.
00:19:05.000 And at the time, termination and these types of things, which is a touchy subject, were more available in the U.S. He goes, you got three months to make your move and to make your play.
00:19:16.000 And you have a choice in this because you're the one going to be paying child support.
00:19:20.000 You're going to be the one going through the pain.
00:19:21.000 You're going to be the one responsible for that child.
00:19:23.000 And you have a say.
00:19:24.000 So you have to make your play and you need to be hard.
00:19:26.000 And he went hard, like as somebody who runs women and stuff would say.
00:19:31.000 And he said, and then after that, you got another six months to make up with her.
00:19:35.000 And I'm like, man, you can't give that advice to people.
00:19:38.000 That's too fucked up.
00:19:39.000 You know, nobody's going to be able to...
00:19:40.000 Nobody has the mental, like...
00:19:43.000 I don't know, just harshness to pull that off.
00:19:46.000 And especially when you're just a guy going out and having fun.
00:19:49.000 And the thing is, is that mentality for a woman, she physiologically goes through a change.
00:19:55.000 I mean, man, it's beautiful.
00:19:56.000 It's an amazing thing.
00:19:58.000 But it is, I want security.
00:19:59.000 I want safety.
00:20:00.000 And I'm going to fight for my life for this.
00:20:02.000 Like, it's in my body.
00:20:04.000 And I'm going to make it work.
00:20:06.000 And you as a guy are like, oh shit.
00:20:08.000 You know, this throws everything off.
00:20:11.000 Like, am I going to be single?
00:20:13.000 Am I going to be married?
00:20:15.000 What am I going to do?
00:20:16.000 And then fatherhood stuff kicks in.
00:20:17.000 It gets all crazy.
00:20:18.000 And then even afterwards, if there's a miscarriage or something like that, there will be crazy tension.
00:20:24.000 And crazy tension a guy can't relate with.
00:20:26.000 And all sorts of...
00:20:27.000 Like, if you fuck that up as a guy.
00:20:29.000 If you...
00:20:30.000 Well, I mean, depends on what you call fucking up.
00:20:32.000 But if you piss her off...
00:20:34.000 Like, man, reputations, like, everything you read about.
00:20:38.000 Like, when people are talking about, like, borderline women or narcissistic personality disorder, like, whether they had it or not, that shit becomes much more probable.
00:20:47.000 And they'll go after your reputation, and it's like...
00:20:50.000 We know.
00:20:50.000 No pun intended.
00:20:52.000 Or just get a vasectomy.
00:20:54.000 Yeah.
00:20:54.000 So, that's the thing, like...
00:20:58.000 Kids aren't bad.
00:20:59.000 Like, fatherhood is an amazing thing.
00:21:02.000 And motherhood is an amazing thing.
00:21:04.000 But how that gets manipulated in our culture and how it gets exploited in what women become and even men become when they don't know what to do or they take advantage or manipulate is one of the most fucked up things and it causes generational pain and trauma.
00:21:24.000 It fucks up the kids.
00:21:27.000 There's something called parental alienation which is one of the most devastating things like the results of alienating one parent from the other like you're a bad dad or you're a bad mom and you shouldn't like your dad because they abandoned you or your mom or whatever you talk that kind of shit.
00:21:40.000 And your kid is alienated from you and starts showing symptoms of that, the results of that are similar to consistent physical abuse or sexual abuse done to a kid.
00:21:50.000 And we as a culture don't see that.
00:21:53.000 Like, we think it's okay.
00:21:55.000 We think that if you shit-talk a dad or if a dad gets disenfranchised in some way, it's okay.
00:22:00.000 And there's no way of building men up.
00:22:02.000 And even men...
00:22:04.000 Yeah.
00:22:18.000 Yeah.
00:22:26.000 Average custody case depends on what state you're in, but $20,000.
00:22:31.000 Who has that right now?
00:22:32.000 Who has $20,000 to spend right now, which you need to pay your lawyer for?
00:22:36.000 So I heard it's better to go to court by yourself rather than bring a family lawyer into it at the very beginning, or what do you think?
00:22:43.000 This is a debatable thing, and I would say fuck no.
00:22:47.000 So here's the thing.
00:22:48.000 You can represent yourself.
00:22:49.000 You absolutely can.
00:22:50.000 Like, it's not an either-or.
00:22:52.000 But you have to understand that most people who represent themselves screw up in the beginning, and the beginning is the most important thing to not screw up.
00:23:00.000 Because once a judge makes a ruling, anything gets signed, Then to reverse that, you're not then fighting for custody.
00:23:07.000 You're fighting to reverse what got ruled, to get custody back.
00:23:10.000 So you're not on an even playing field.
00:23:12.000 And the real question here, or the real thing to understand is, how do you find a good lawyer?
00:23:20.000 How do you know if you need a lawyer?
00:23:21.000 How do you know how to look for a good lawyer?
00:23:24.000 How do you interview lawyers?
00:23:26.000 Lawyers are traditionally bad people.
00:23:29.000 Like, they're greedy motherfuckers who...
00:23:32.000 Don't give a shit about your well-being, your kid, or anything like that.
00:23:35.000 But the thing is, if you need him, you need him.
00:23:39.000 And you need to understand how the law works.
00:23:41.000 It is so hard to comprehend.
00:23:45.000 And how if one thing goes wrong...
00:23:47.000 Like, here's the thing, man.
00:23:48.000 You're going to go in front of the judge.
00:23:49.000 It's 15 minutes.
00:23:50.000 You don't get to talk much.
00:23:52.000 That means she gets to talk, the judge gets to talk, and you get to talk.
00:23:56.000 And whoever filed first generally gets to talk first.
00:23:59.000 If she makes the claim to the Attorney General on custody first, she's going to talk first, and then maybe she lies.
00:24:06.000 And you go, man, that's a lie.
00:24:08.000 You're now speaking out of turn in a courtroom, and a judge is going to see 20 of these cases all day of people who disrespected their court by not being prepared.
00:24:17.000 And they're just going to say, well, look, I'm going to err on the side of caution.
00:24:20.000 You guys are still arguing.
00:24:21.000 Figure it out.
00:24:22.000 Here it is.
00:24:22.000 I'm signing it.
00:24:23.000 And then the guy's like, man, I'm fucked.
00:24:25.000 Whereas if you get some education on this, like here's the easy thing, right?
00:24:29.000 Okay, lawyer or no lawyer, here's what you got to do.
00:24:32.000 You have to look at the laws in your state and county that determine custody, okay?
00:24:37.000 So what is going to see, you know, what is custody going to be awarded at?
00:24:42.000 Is it standard visitation, which is like a weekend ad thing?
00:24:44.000 Is it expanded standard?
00:24:45.000 That's weekends plus and then extra holidays and stuff like that.
00:24:48.000 Is it 50-50?
00:24:50.000 Do judges rule on that?
00:24:52.000 So that's the first thing.
00:24:53.000 You have to look at how that is.
00:24:54.000 Like, who's taking the kids to school?
00:24:56.000 Who's making food?
00:24:57.000 Who's doing all this sort of stuff?
00:24:58.000 You have to look at how the judge is gonna see that.
00:25:01.000 If it's just that my kids like me more, that doesn't count.
00:25:04.000 It's who is caring for the child.
00:25:07.000 And if the child is a newborn, It's going to be with the mother in most states just because of, you know, whatever different theories around it.
00:25:16.000 It's seen as important, but after 18 months, two years, it can be split up.
00:25:21.000 But then the next thing is, is you should interview attorneys.
00:25:25.000 Like, why not?
00:25:26.000 Interview attorneys to go like, hey, I'm assigned to this judge.
00:25:30.000 Like, so when you get served on this, it's going to say what court you're going to be in.
00:25:33.000 You go to whatever attorneys are in that county, and you say, hey, what do you know about this?
00:25:37.000 Here's my information.
00:25:38.000 Here's my statistics.
00:25:39.000 It's better if you go in there organized, which is a lot easier than you think, but it's also mind-numbing.
00:25:45.000 It's kind of like, here's how you meet women, da-da-da-da-da.
00:25:48.000 But then, like, guys are like, yeah, Yeah, but what if I do this?
00:25:50.000 And they're kind of sidetracking themselves on something that isn't necessarily correct.
00:25:54.000 You have to rewind that.
00:25:56.000 But if you start to look at like, okay, here's the money I make.
00:25:59.000 So custody is all going to be about child support, visitation, and it's going to be like, who is the better parent?
00:26:06.000 How does that judge, how does that court look at what the best interest of the child is?
00:26:11.000 Because that's what it is.
00:26:12.000 We have our definition of the best interest of the child.
00:26:15.000 But it has to be for that judge.
00:26:17.000 And then you can do the next best thing.
00:26:19.000 So the third thing that you need to do is you need to go in and watch that judge.
00:26:23.000 Most family courts, I said all in some video, and the guy corrected me, like in Virginia or Vermont, they're not open to the public.
00:26:30.000 But you can go and watch that judge.
00:26:32.000 And if you watch anywhere from 10 to 15 cases, you're going to see...
00:26:36.000 Dads fuck up.
00:26:37.000 You're going to see moms fuck up.
00:26:38.000 You're going to see dads win.
00:26:39.000 You're going to see moms win.
00:26:41.000 And then you start to look at strategy.
00:26:43.000 And so this is kind of a tricky thing because us as men, the things that naturally make us strong are to confront, fight, tell the truth, fight for our kids, show up, clear up whatever.
00:26:56.000 She said this.
00:26:57.000 No, this didn't happen.
00:26:58.000 But that's all going to work against you in the court.
00:27:00.000 Damn.
00:27:00.000 So we actually have to have some sort of clarity on what we say So it's best to go in and watch a judge.
00:27:06.000 Watch your judge.
00:27:08.000 And then you get the information and then you go, man, I'm nervous and da-da-da-da.
00:27:12.000 How long do you typically have between the time you're served to your first court appearance where you can actually take that time period to go watch that judge typically?
00:27:18.000 A couple months?
00:27:19.000 Yeah, you got anywhere from like two weeks, which is very fast, but with COVID it backed everything up.
00:27:25.000 But it could be six months.
00:27:27.000 And so think about this.
00:27:29.000 If you screw up and a ruling goes wrong, And she gets more visitation than you.
00:27:36.000 Or we could talk about protective orders and stuff like that because that's where it all goes out the window.
00:27:40.000 You're totally fucked.
00:27:41.000 But let's say a ruling gets made and then you want to contest that.
00:27:46.000 You want to go back to court.
00:27:47.000 You file a motion for that.
00:27:49.000 It's like, how do you do that?
00:27:50.000 How do you do that yourself?
00:27:51.000 What if I screw it up?
00:27:52.000 If I screw it up, it goes to the court and they say he screwed up.
00:27:57.000 He's got to refile again.
00:27:58.000 When do you find out that news?
00:27:59.000 Two, three weeks down the road?
00:28:00.000 But then, once it gets accepted, it might be three months.
00:28:03.000 So if you screw up, you have three months of a status quo happening, meaning...
00:28:09.000 If she gets more custody, and she's taking the kids to school, and the dad is cut out for some sort of safety reason, and it has to go to supervised visitation, which generally men have to pay for.
00:28:20.000 You have to pay for your own supervision for watching your own kids.
00:28:24.000 What the hell?
00:28:25.000 Child support gets set at something which is unrealistic.
00:28:29.000 Then you have three months of her getting to do whatever she wants.
00:28:33.000 The next time you go back to the court, she's gonna say, if she's smart, if she wants to win this game, which a lot of times that doesn't happen, she's gonna say, well, look, the kids are used to it.
00:28:43.000 It would traumatize them to reintegrate the father to be a 50-50 situation.
00:28:48.000 So you want to get it right from the beginning.
00:28:51.000 The other thing that happens is all sorts of false claims, false allegations.
00:28:56.000 They're like...
00:28:58.000 Man, I mean...
00:28:59.000 Dime a dozen?
00:29:00.000 It's the worst, man.
00:29:02.000 Did you see the Young Jeezy and Jenny Mai situation?
00:29:04.000 No.
00:29:05.000 So basically there's a rapper called Jeezy, aka Snowman.
00:29:08.000 And he married this Asian girl at this talk show, Janie Mai.
00:29:12.000 And they were together for a couple of years.
00:29:14.000 Apparently he cheated, she cheated, something like that.
00:29:16.000 But they were basically breaking up.
00:29:18.000 And they were in love.
00:29:19.000 They were all together all the time.
00:29:22.000 But now all of a sudden, she wants the kids for herself.
00:29:24.000 She's saying he's a bad dad and he has guns in the house for protection.
00:29:28.000 But all of a sudden now they're bad because she doesn't like him anymore.
00:29:31.000 So before it's for their protection, the kids, her.
00:29:33.000 But now because he has guns in the house, she's using it against him.
00:29:36.000 So, like, this is where we gotta get, like, women...
00:29:40.000 Well, women and men now are really loud on social media.
00:29:43.000 They try and, like, fucking ruin your life in whatever way they can.
00:29:46.000 It's like this...
00:29:47.000 Oh, yeah.
00:29:47.000 I can relate, bro.
00:29:48.000 Yeah.
00:29:49.000 Me too.
00:29:51.000 So basically, what determines being a good dad and a bad dad on a social media war may not be in the courts.
00:30:00.000 So if guns are legal, it may not be an issue.
00:30:02.000 But this also swings the other way.
00:30:05.000 You might think driving with your...
00:30:09.000 If you're a kid in the car and you're recording a video or something and that goes online, that is not good parenting because you're operating a camera while operating in a vehicle while a child is in it.
00:30:19.000 These types of things come up all the time.
00:30:26.000 Man, I hear this story over and over again.
00:30:28.000 I can't talk specifically about what my clients have gone through, but they'll have stuff thrown at them.
00:30:33.000 They'll have knives pulled on them.
00:30:34.000 They'll be cut with knives.
00:30:36.000 They'll have guns pulled on them.
00:30:37.000 They'll have all this sort of stuff.
00:30:39.000 And sometimes, sometimes that will go to criminal court, as it should, right?
00:30:44.000 I mean, it's assault with a deadly weapon or it's some sort of, you know, attack or assault or these types of things.
00:30:49.000 Same thing goes with STDs.
00:30:52.000 A woman gives you an STD, like a lot of times this happens in cheating, and they don't tell you or they give you misinformation.
00:31:00.000 In many states and counties it could be considered sexual assault.
00:31:03.000 But if a guy does that, if a guy gets angry, throws something, it's on camera.
00:31:08.000 And like a lot of times with my clients, it's on camera.
00:31:11.000 It's on camera where a woman is doing this to them.
00:31:13.000 It's on camera.
00:31:14.000 It's somehow documented.
00:31:15.000 There's enough good witness testimony.
00:31:17.000 Then that guy will get a protective order or a restraining order.
00:31:20.000 And they're different.
00:31:21.000 A protective order is much worse.
00:31:23.000 Now, the other thing, too, is it could go to criminal or it could go to some sort of civil thing.
00:31:30.000 A criminal is much worse.
00:31:31.000 I actually had a protective order on me.
00:31:33.000 I had a criminal protective order put on me.
00:31:35.000 I didn't get to see my kids for five years.
00:31:36.000 What did you do?
00:31:37.000 Fucking nothing.
00:31:39.000 I was raising kids in a chaotic environment.
00:31:41.000 And I was not smart.
00:31:45.000 In the actual story of it, there were multiple claims made against me that had to do with violence or sexuality and all this sort of stuff.
00:31:52.000 Here I am as a dating coach, of course.
00:31:55.000 I was also doing MMA at the time.
00:31:59.000 Everybody kind of knew it and these sorts of things.
00:32:02.000 Teaching jiu-jitsu classes.
00:32:03.000 So they painted you as a violent womanizer.
00:32:05.000 Dude, the best is I got a grand jury trial and the prosecutor...
00:32:11.000 So it went to criminal, which is bad.
00:32:13.000 Like, criminal, you are...
00:32:16.000 They both suck, but you're really fucked.
00:32:19.000 Because if CPS or DCFS sues you, it's 51% needs to decide whether you did it or not.
00:32:27.000 Criminal, you're at 1%.
00:32:30.000 You have no chance.
00:32:32.000 Like, they are designed to prosecute their cases.
00:32:35.000 So once it goes there, you have a huge uphill battle.
00:32:37.000 Did the grand jury return a true bill against you or no?
00:32:41.000 The grand jury basically immediately said, we don't believe him, and let's move on to the...
00:32:45.000 Alright, so you never got indicted.
00:32:47.000 Dude, check this out.
00:32:48.000 In the grand jury, as I'm being interviewed, they're like, oh, so you're a practitioner of jiu-jitsu and you teach jiu-jitsu classes, and so when you used a ligature against your son, Does that come from your weapons training?
00:33:06.000 And I was like, there's no weapons in jiu-jitsu.
00:33:08.000 So I have this piece of paper.
00:33:10.000 She pulls it out.
00:33:11.000 She pulls out a piece of paper of what are the list of weapons that are used in Brazilian jiu-jitsu.
00:33:17.000 And I'm like, you are wrong.
00:33:19.000 And I didn't know.
00:33:20.000 This is, again, I did not know.
00:33:22.000 I thought it was going to be all fair and this is ridiculous.
00:33:27.000 And I'm like, this is ridiculous.
00:33:28.000 You're telling me this is...
00:33:32.000 It's not used in jiu-jitsu.
00:33:33.000 Like, knives and swords and all the sort of stuff she was talking about were not used.
00:33:39.000 And we got in this big argument about it.
00:33:41.000 That argument, I don't know what screwed me over in it, but the grand jury, as soon as I left, immediately ruled that they were going to step forward with the trial, which is horrible, man.
00:33:50.000 Devastated me.
00:33:52.000 Oh, so you did get indicted?
00:33:53.000 Yes, yes.
00:33:54.000 Oh, so you got a trooper against you?
00:33:55.000 Okay, shit.
00:33:56.000 So you got charged, and then...
00:33:58.000 I got charged and then I took a plea.
00:34:00.000 And in the plea, we could go over this with many cases that I've had.
00:34:06.000 A plea is basically like, you have no money, and are you going to go to a sex offender prison as a child abuser and get raped for six months, two years, or whatever it is.
00:34:21.000 What the hell?
00:34:22.000 So if you go to, it depends again on the state, but if you go to a state jail or a federal prison or whatever, it wouldn't be a federal prison, but if you go to some state jail,
00:34:38.000 state prison.
00:34:39.000 So if you go there, you go to the ones that are for child abusers and rapists and all this stuff.
00:34:45.000 Really?
00:34:45.000 It's pretty fucked up.
00:34:46.000 So you go to, okay, because of allegedly domestic violence.
00:34:53.000 But domestic violence is different.
00:34:54.000 So you're telling me that happens to you, but Diddy's free?
00:34:56.000 Come on, bro!
00:34:57.000 What's going on right now, man?
00:34:59.000 Damn!
00:35:00.000 No Diddy, by the way.
00:35:01.000 The guys in my group would love you.
00:35:03.000 So you didn't get to finish.
00:35:05.000 So they ended up indicting you for what?
00:35:09.000 It was injury to a child.
00:35:10.000 Injury to a child is what they try to hit you with.
00:35:12.000 And then you took a plea deal.
00:35:14.000 What did you plea it down to?
00:35:15.000 No, it was still a plea to injury to a child, but the sentence was no jail time.
00:35:21.000 It was like probation for four years, and you didn't get to see your kids for four more years.
00:35:25.000 It had already been a year.
00:35:26.000 And, man, it's crazy.
00:35:29.000 But I'll tell you this.
00:35:30.000 Awful lie that she made.
00:35:32.000 Yes.
00:35:33.000 And later on...
00:35:34.000 She alleged like you hit one of the kids?
00:35:36.000 No, choked one of the kids.
00:35:37.000 Later on, what happened was...
00:35:40.000 Now, check this out, man.
00:35:42.000 So, you...
00:35:45.000 To tell my story in this, and this is what Owen actually wanted to cut out at least a little bit of, and the guys in my group stories are far worse, but so then I get married, have an amazing relationship, amazing relationship, awesome, obviously different woman,
00:36:01.000 model, like beautiful, like everything you could imagine, right?
00:36:06.000 And so we split up.
00:36:08.000 And when we split up...
00:36:10.000 In Texas, you can record.
00:36:11.000 It's a single-party record.
00:36:13.000 So I started recording everything when she was acting weird and doing all this stuff.
00:36:16.000 And she said...
00:36:18.000 If multiple times on recording, if you challenge me on anything, if I don't call the shots, then I'm going to say that you abuse the kids and use your old case against you.
00:36:29.000 And man, I'll tell you this.
00:36:32.000 At this point, after the first case happened, I started talking to lawyers and educating myself on stuff and whatnot, and then working with guys who came to my group on this sort of thing.
00:36:42.000 At the time, I wasn't really targeting coaching on custody stuff, but I was like, man, I just got totally fucked.
00:36:49.000 Yeah.
00:36:49.000 Because you've been through it.
00:36:51.000 Yeah.
00:36:51.000 So I knew what to do.
00:36:54.000 Hired a lawyer right away.
00:36:55.000 We deposed her.
00:36:56.000 And in the deposition, it basically killed any case she had.
00:37:00.000 Actually, in that case, I had the opportunity at the end of that deposition to file charges against her in multiple areas.
00:37:07.000 Could have got full custody of kids instantly.
00:37:08.000 Could have shown that tape to a judge.
00:37:11.000 And it would be a no-brainer, an immediate temporary protective order.
00:37:16.000 She'd be on her back foot.
00:37:17.000 But I was like, man, kids need moms and dads.
00:37:20.000 And it's a trip because a lot of the dudes in the Manosphere were like, why are you doing that?
00:37:28.000 Well, my fight is for my kids.
00:37:30.000 It's not for some political thing, right?
00:37:33.000 Yeah.
00:37:33.000 It's not to shame somebody.
00:37:35.000 It's not to take exact revenge on her.
00:37:35.000 It's for the kids to have the best situation.
00:37:38.000 But here's the thing, man, and this is going to sound crazy because my life is my life.
00:37:43.000 My interaction with my kids and their mothers is my life.
00:37:47.000 And the first mother of my kids came to testify for me, and her testimony was that the courts overreacted.
00:37:54.000 The one that got you in trouble with the injury?
00:37:57.000 Yeah.
00:37:58.000 Wow.
00:37:59.000 So she actually came on your behalf later on?
00:38:01.000 She came on my behalf.
00:38:03.000 Crazy world.
00:38:04.000 And let's just think about this, right?
00:38:06.000 If you don't stop somebody who's acting crazy, this was one of my, in my 2019 case, the one where I did the depositions and came out on top.
00:38:15.000 I have three goals.
00:38:16.000 And afterwards, my attorney was like, Steve, let's get full custody.
00:38:19.000 Let's go.
00:38:20.000 Let's go right now.
00:38:21.000 Let's take this.
00:38:21.000 How quick can you get the media off the tape and off the camera and get it in front of a judge?
00:38:26.000 Let's go.
00:38:27.000 You could have full custody.
00:38:28.000 It's an amazing story.
00:38:29.000 This is awesome.
00:38:31.000 Let's go.
00:38:31.000 And I was like, man, Ryan...
00:38:33.000 What was our goal?
00:38:35.000 And you're so fried.
00:38:36.000 It's hard to think straight, but you got guys in your corner and all that sort of stuff.
00:38:38.000 And we were outside the depositions.
00:38:41.000 And he goes, or I told him, I said, hey, look, man, I wanted to get all false allegations just cleared off.
00:38:47.000 I wanted fair visitation and all that sort of stuff set.
00:38:50.000 And I wanted to calm her down and stop her from going crazy.
00:38:54.000 Because people go crazy, man.
00:38:56.000 And one last thing, what I got from that was, like, the first mother of my kids, we both acknowledged, like, we were idiots, man.
00:39:03.000 I should have come in properly into the court to stop it.
00:39:07.000 And she should have stopped whatever herself.
00:39:10.000 And either way, you're going to have to come back to co-parenting.
00:39:13.000 Isn't that crazy that the woman that you first were with, your first child mother, helped you with your second child mother?
00:39:21.000 It's crazy.
00:39:21.000 But you know what I think it was?
00:39:23.000 She hated her more than she hated you, probably.
00:39:25.000 Nah, you know, I think what it is...
00:39:29.000 This is one of those things that...
00:39:31.000 Actually, I'm really proud of talking about it because it's a real story of people going through stuff and not a theoretical thing.
00:39:37.000 Thank you for sharing your story, by the way.
00:39:39.000 Thank you for sharing your story.
00:39:39.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:40.000 The thing with that is that you see how much it affects the kids.
00:39:45.000 Like, I was sitting there in those five years going like, man, I'm so fucked.
00:39:48.000 I can't believe how bad I got fucked.
00:39:50.000 You lose all this money.
00:39:52.000 You're devastated.
00:39:53.000 I mean, like, I've seen...
00:39:55.000 Really fucked up shit in my entire life.
00:39:57.000 I've seen the saddest things.
00:39:58.000 I've watched my friends die.
00:40:01.000 Clients of mine who are saying they're gonna kill themselves and you get the calls.
00:40:06.000 I used to save their message on my phone and you show up and they're dead.
00:40:09.000 And I've seen really sad stuff, but nothing is as sad as finding out you're not gonna see your kids for two more years, five more years.
00:40:18.000 She, I'm guessing she made the allegation that you, like, harmed your children, right?
00:40:23.000 Erroneously.
00:40:24.000 And then you ended up taking a plea deal because you couldn't fight it, maybe not the money for the lawyers and everything else like that.
00:40:30.000 Like, was this a situation where she was angry at you and made up, like, kind of, how do I say it, sensationalized events to just get you in jail, and then she couldn't reverse anything and then ended up, like, where you got fucked at then?
00:40:44.000 Like, how did this even...
00:40:45.000 What are the mistakes that you think you made in that first situation?
00:40:48.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:40:50.000 That guys can learn from?
00:40:51.000 No, massive mistakes.
00:40:52.000 And let's bring it back to guys as a whole because it paints a better picture.
00:40:58.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:40:58.000 In that moment where you're accused of something, don't talk shit.
00:41:02.000 I would get a lawyer.
00:41:03.000 I would familiarize it.
00:41:05.000 You didn't get a lawyer until later on?
00:41:07.000 I did, but I talked to the police first.
00:41:10.000 And sometimes it's okay to talk to the police, right?
00:41:12.000 It could work in your favor.
00:41:13.000 But if there's a charge, and there were multiple allegations of abuse that had happened before.
00:41:18.000 So I had talked to CPS. I had talked to attorneys, or I'm sorry, the cops or whatever, in previous cases, but they got thrown out.
00:41:24.000 So I went in there thinking I knew what was up.
00:41:26.000 Well, if you fuck up once and you think you know what's up, you fuck up.
00:41:30.000 And the fact of the matter is, and I'll say this just in her defense, because we both raise awesome kids together, is that, man, we were both nuts.
00:41:40.000 We were both nuts.
00:41:42.000 In that whole situation, it's so horrible.
00:41:46.000 But even if you talk to the guys in my group who get accused of the same thing and get run through the ringer in it, it forces you to be a better parent.
00:41:52.000 You go to parenting classes, you look at the law, you look at how the law determines this, you look at the psychological damage it causes kids.
00:41:58.000 Like I said, I thought I was the big victim in it, and I was, but when I got to reintegrate with my kids, who are awesome, they're amazing, amazing.
00:42:05.000 Does she regret doing that?
00:42:07.000 I think everybody does, yeah.
00:42:08.000 Yeah, so she thought like, oh, I'm just gonna mess with them, and then she didn't realize how much she had really...
00:42:12.000 But that takes years.
00:42:14.000 Damn.
00:42:14.000 Of all the cases that I work with guys, they're not gonna change their minds for two years.
00:42:20.000 So she lied on you.
00:42:21.000 You couldn't see her kids for five years.
00:42:22.000 Yeah.
00:42:23.000 And you were still able to make peace with her and still co-parent to this day.
00:42:29.000 Yeah.
00:42:29.000 A lot of guys will never forgive.
00:42:31.000 That's some good restraint.
00:42:34.000 Man.
00:42:35.000 That takes some real emotional control.
00:42:37.000 That's just crazy because she lied on you and you know how they say how Hathnos feels like a woman's scorn, right?
00:42:45.000 And she's in her head like, oh, yeah, I'm going to get back at him, whatever.
00:42:49.000 And then she doesn't realize once you get the wheels of justice going, it's very difficult to walk it back.
00:42:54.000 Yeah, and there's so much to it, I'd say, psychologically as well.
00:42:58.000 Like, if you spin a lie and you get power, like, what does that do to a person?
00:43:06.000 I mean, you see that every day with politics.
00:43:08.000 It's the craziest thing.
00:43:09.000 That's wild, man.
00:43:10.000 No, man.
00:43:11.000 I think after hearing this whole episode, the chat, ourselves in a room, we'll think twice about having kids with the wrong person.
00:43:20.000 Man, no.
00:43:21.000 Look, kids...
00:43:24.000 Kids are awesome.
00:43:25.000 And being a father is an amazing, amazing thing.
00:43:29.000 And, you know, I'll say this, and this is one thing that I tell guys in the group when they're going through this.
00:43:37.000 Because you're devastated over your kids.
00:43:39.000 Like, if your kid gets hurt, if your kid is damaged, you want to kill whoever's damaging that kid, right?
00:43:45.000 That is the drive.
00:43:46.000 And everybody can relate with that.
00:43:48.000 But when it's psychological, not everybody takes it as seriously.
00:43:51.000 And when that happens...
00:43:53.000 Man, you lose it.
00:43:59.000 And you then are dealt a different card in life.
00:44:02.000 So you have to find something that is good.
00:44:05.000 Or you destroy yourself.
00:44:07.000 You end up like the dead guy who hangs himself, commits suicide, becomes a drug addict.
00:44:14.000 If you die, That could be better for that man than living just in pain and suffering and is a lesser man for the rest of his life.
00:44:24.000 For the kids, it's don't kill yourself.
00:44:26.000 Please stay alive.
00:44:27.000 But my message to everybody is like, no, man, if you have bad stuff happen, make yourself better.
00:44:33.000 And at first, when you're going through this, you don't want to hear that.
00:44:37.000 Like, I'm not going to say that to somebody right away.
00:44:39.000 But your kids now have a destiny that they have to fight for, and it is their problem, and be the strongest man.
00:44:45.000 Like, I was a fool.
00:44:47.000 I was weak, man.
00:44:48.000 You know, I was strong in some ways.
00:44:50.000 I was good at holding a frame, good at all that sort of stuff.
00:44:53.000 But how can you get right with yourself mentally, spiritually, at your core?
00:44:58.000 How can you bring that to have stability?
00:45:00.000 Because when those kids come back, They don't want to see a broken father.
00:45:04.000 They don't want to see a man that is hurt or that is the tale that was told about him as being a deadbeat or whatever.
00:45:15.000 And I think that that's so important.
00:45:18.000 So what would you say are some of the mistakes that people can learn from in your first situation that they need to avoid immediately?
00:45:23.000 You said talking to the police, talking with CPS that was used against you later on.
00:45:29.000 What else?
00:45:30.000 You need to understand the charge.
00:45:32.000 So that's what you gotta understand right away.
00:45:36.000 You need to know how to find lawyers at that time because the law in there is more complicated.
00:45:40.000 It's not like this simple thing.
00:45:42.000 Like if you fuck up once and it could go to criminal, you want to know everything.
00:45:45.000 So you have to hire the right lawyer.
00:45:47.000 You can't just hire a family law attorney.
00:45:49.000 If it's criminal, you have to hire an attorney that is a criminal attorney.
00:45:54.000 You also have to be able to hire a CPS attorney if they're involved or DCFS, whichever protection service is there.
00:46:03.000 And it could be the same attorney.
00:46:05.000 But you have to understand what the charges are and what the narrative of either, you know, the DA is trying to...
00:46:11.000 Or what CPS is trying to investigate.
00:46:16.000 CPS... Is oversaturated, generally workers who, you know, they might love it, but a lot of them don't.
00:46:24.000 High turnover, they see really horrible things.
00:46:28.000 And I mean, man, it's easy for them to get it wrong.
00:46:31.000 And they're overworked, have too many people on their caseload, social workers too.
00:46:35.000 So it's easy to get something misfiled.
00:46:38.000 It's easy for something to get signed off in the wrong way.
00:46:41.000 Like you have to have somebody who's familiar with that that can look it over.
00:46:44.000 So it's important.
00:46:47.000 Wow.
00:46:48.000 Okay, so I can read some chat so we can get back to it because I'm sure people might have some questions.
00:46:53.000 Super important episode, man.
00:46:54.000 Very good one.
00:46:55.000 So it seems to me like one of the biggest takeaways is you can't mess up in the beginning.
00:46:59.000 It's like, for example, when you mentioned on Jubilee, get the information about how to lose weight, you can't just walk into this blindly.
00:47:05.000 You gotta know what you're doing when you walk into it.
00:47:08.000 Let's see here.
00:47:09.000 What do we got?
00:47:09.000 We got some rumble racks?
00:47:10.000 Romo Rants?
00:47:11.000 Okay.
00:47:12.000 And guys, definitely have superchat.com as well.
00:47:15.000 Marriage cause divorce.
00:47:16.000 What do you think of family lawyers and judges?
00:47:17.000 They seem to be very woke, biased, and feminist.
00:47:20.000 They seem to be very happy to automatically sacrifice the husband in favor of the wife.
00:47:23.000 Yeah, so I mean, that sucks.
00:47:25.000 That sucks.
00:47:26.000 And if they're your judge, you have to know they're your judge, and you have to figure out how they're going to rule in your favor.
00:47:32.000 They're going to rule...
00:47:38.000 It's not always against men.
00:47:40.000 And so you have to look at how they rule.
00:47:42.000 Now, there is corruption.
00:47:43.000 I'm not going to say that doesn't exist.
00:47:45.000 But if you're in this stage, you have to be able to act properly.
00:47:50.000 And if you don't, like what, so you're just going to go in alone and be pissed off?
00:47:54.000 That will guarantee that That a judge cannot hear your case.
00:47:59.000 So you need to study the judge and learn how that judge rules, watch them, and figure out a game plan, whether you're going pro se, which is representing yourself, or you hire an attorney and you need to learn how to hire an attorney that's not lazy.
00:48:16.000 And I'll ask you about how to interview attorneys here in a second.
00:48:19.000 Anything else?
00:48:20.000 The problem with family courts is the woman you marry becomes a demon with and her mind gets poisoned by all her friends, family, lawyers, and greed.
00:48:27.000 Also, you run out of money because of legal fees.
00:48:29.000 Yeah.
00:48:29.000 So...
00:48:31.000 That's a good question, and the answer's in that question.
00:48:35.000 Okay, so she's getting advice from her family and friends.
00:48:38.000 If you get advice in custody from your family and friends, you're going to get bad advice, even if you have a lawyer, you know, like relatives, or if your brother's a lawyer.
00:48:48.000 If they're not your lawyer, you need to work with somebody who's obsessed with your case.
00:48:55.000 That is not going to be lazy about your case.
00:48:58.000 And if she is going to listen to her friends, she's going to fuck up.
00:49:01.000 You have to understand this.
00:49:03.000 When anybody gets an advantage and they have power, they become idiots.
00:49:09.000 And they're going to make mistakes.
00:49:10.000 And you have to play it right.
00:49:12.000 We're good to go.
00:49:30.000 She's going to be playing the social media game with her friends and winning opinions and trying to turn your family against you and all this sort of stuff.
00:49:35.000 And in that, that doesn't matter to the courts.
00:49:38.000 The courts don't care about that, at least at first.
00:49:40.000 That's like one of those secondary things.
00:49:42.000 That's like a character assessment and that sort of thing.
00:49:44.000 But she's going to make a mistake that matters with custody or lying.
00:49:49.000 I mean, man, that's a big thing.
00:49:50.000 Get somebody to lie under oath about important stuff.
00:49:54.000 You now discredit their complete testimony.
00:49:57.000 Now, if you already are being investigated for something, that might help you a little bit, but it's still going to help you.
00:50:04.000 You still have to disprove whatever it is you're being accused of.
00:50:07.000 But that is...
00:50:09.000 I don't know.
00:50:09.000 People say...
00:50:11.000 Women are favored, they are, but if you're smart and you play steady, they generally don't have, they could have the backing and control and all that sort of stuff, but they generally will not, and they'll screw up, and they dig their own grave.
00:50:28.000 It happens over and over again in our groups.
00:50:30.000 Yeah, we say it all the time.
00:50:32.000 What do we got here?
00:50:35.000 Alboy says, it seems like at the end of the day, it's all unavoidable, even if you're married.
00:50:38.000 So what do we do if we want kids and have a girl, but don't want to get married?
00:50:42.000 What are the best options?
00:50:43.000 That's a very good one.
00:50:44.000 That is a good one.
00:50:45.000 So, I mean, marriage in our country, with the general thing, like when I was talking about the best man, the best man comes in, he doesn't really go to school on this, he just has good morals.
00:50:55.000 And then something turns, either he turns or she turns, but then it just goes all fucked up.
00:51:01.000 Yeah.
00:51:02.000 So...
00:51:03.000 If we're gonna work our culture better, like we need to start, I mean, in the greater meta thing, we need to start looking at male wisdom, I think, which is really important.
00:51:13.000 We have to start looking what it means to be a man with women, a man with money, a man with responsibility.
00:51:17.000 And those things need to be so important that when it goes into us like having fun and going out and getting laid or having women around or whatever your situation is, that needs to be taken into it.
00:51:27.000 But in having kids, If you walk into having kids without any thoughts or wisdom of your own, our system is so fucked.
00:51:37.000 Our culture, meaning it's going to screw with you, it's going to screw with her, is so fucked up, it's guaranteed to fuck up.
00:51:43.000 And our court system is guaranteed to just make it devastating, at least to one person, and heavily the man.
00:51:51.000 That's usually the case.
00:51:52.000 And then the other thing too is...
00:51:54.000 I mean, man, there's guys leaving the country, there's guys finding women in other countries, which is an answer for now.
00:52:00.000 But if we don't fix the problem of wisdom and integrity and being a good man and finding good women and these types of things and inventorying yourself, because a bad woman exploits a man or takes advantage of an already broken man.
00:52:16.000 So, men that get screwed over by women play a part in it, even though they're the total victims.
00:52:21.000 But oftentimes, they're not just the total victims.
00:52:24.000 Everybody's got some screwed up stuff.
00:52:25.000 We have to take responsibility for that.
00:52:27.000 And if we go to other countries and meet wives and stuff, that's cool.
00:52:30.000 I'm all for it, man.
00:52:32.000 Like, we always talk about the guys having no power because the court system's fucked, and it's true.
00:52:37.000 Passport Bros.
00:52:37.000 Man, men have power.
00:52:40.000 And with the passport bro thing, that's a little bit different because I live in another country, and I generally don't like it when people exploit that country.
00:52:48.000 Like, I have good relationships with people.
00:52:50.000 Columbia.
00:52:50.000 No, Columbia's great, man.
00:52:52.000 Columbia is one of the most...
00:52:55.000 Beautiful countries and I'm very inundated in the culture there.
00:52:59.000 And I don't like it when people just go for sex.
00:53:02.000 Sex is going to be there.
00:53:03.000 Like, it's part of the language.
00:53:05.000 And you may not know what that means if you're not going there right away.
00:53:09.000 But when you come to know it, it's part of the beauty and part of...
00:53:12.000 Like, when we talk about how feminism is...
00:53:22.000 I mean, my female friends there all have tough stories that are just...
00:53:36.000 Horrific.
00:53:37.000 That when I come back, American women will tell me, like, oh, well, you don't have to go there to help.
00:53:42.000 I'm like, I'm not helping.
00:53:43.000 They're my friends.
00:53:44.000 What are you doing?
00:53:45.000 You're only using their story of being knocked up by a drug dealer and raped and beaten up to promote why you should have fake boobs or whatever, like your choice in something.
00:53:56.000 And if you really care about helping people, go and help people.
00:54:00.000 But if you were to go to another country, I would say take some time to learn it and respect it and all that sort of stuff.
00:54:06.000 Yeah, versus these guys that just go in there to get laid and shit.
00:54:09.000 It's going to happen.
00:54:10.000 Yeah.
00:54:12.000 I'm a good friend of a family attorney, and he always tells me to wrap it up because he's seen some crazy shit in courts while most fast females switch it up when it comes to legal situations.
00:54:19.000 All right, what else?
00:54:21.000 Totally true.
00:54:22.000 Oh, hey, Ryan.
00:54:23.000 Are you going to have MLD on?
00:54:24.000 I believe he's in Florida.
00:54:25.000 Yeah, he'll be on Wednesday.
00:54:26.000 Yeah.
00:54:27.000 He'll join us for the dating show.
00:54:29.000 Let's go!
00:54:30.000 Single dad here.
00:54:31.000 Fatherhood is amazing.
00:54:32.000 I have a 50-50 time of my child.
00:54:33.000 This sucks that them boys created a system to break families.
00:54:35.000 Shout out to all the dads that are in there.
00:54:38.000 KidsLiveWDads.
00:54:38.000 Shout out to you, Cacho.
00:54:39.000 Jay says, Myron started a side hustle, reselling electrical equipment that I'm called out to replace.
00:54:44.000 A lot of it still holds value.
00:54:46.000 I've made 3K in two weeks selling on eBay.
00:54:47.000 Should I start an LLC 300 plus inventory?
00:54:51.000 Um...
00:54:52.000 If you see you doing this long-term, bro, then yeah, for sure.
00:54:55.000 Anything else?
00:54:57.000 Yeah.
00:54:58.000 No, we're good to go right now.
00:54:59.000 All right, cool.
00:55:01.000 So, go ahead.
00:55:03.000 I have a question.
00:55:04.000 What about prenups?
00:55:05.000 Prenups.
00:55:06.000 Does it help at all?
00:55:07.000 Man.
00:55:08.000 Prenums can get thrown out and they can be argued against.
00:55:11.000 And so the problem with court is how much it's gonna cost you.
00:55:14.000 So the process is the punishment, okay?
00:55:18.000 So like going through the court system is part of the punishment.
00:55:21.000 It's expensive.
00:55:22.000 Even if you don't use an attorney, it gets expensive and whatever rulings get made are really, really hard to reverse.
00:55:29.000 Like I can't emphasize that enough.
00:55:31.000 But in a prenup, if it's argued, You're going to have to argue that back.
00:55:37.000 And it can be argued.
00:55:39.000 And it's good because it's a good standard to go off of.
00:55:41.000 But if there's property that's bought in that time, if there's any question, if you're not familiar with the law, if the law changes when that attorney writes it up, you know, like maybe it happens 10 years later when you guys split up or three years, but...
00:55:53.000 Different laws or different rulings can get changed.
00:55:56.000 So laws get changed by courts and by legislature.
00:56:01.000 They don't get changed by yelling about it on social media.
00:56:04.000 So if different rulings have been done by a judge with some of the property or custody in a prenup, It could get argued.
00:56:11.000 And then that gets expensive.
00:56:12.000 And then that gets taxing.
00:56:13.000 And see, here's the problem is that it may save you some money, which is good.
00:56:18.000 Like you should get prenups.
00:56:19.000 It's good.
00:56:20.000 It could be used as a tool to guide people.
00:56:22.000 It could be used as a tool to make her not want to fight you as much.
00:56:26.000 All those things are true.
00:56:28.000 But when a guy is devastated, so when a guy gets, when a guy, a female inspired divorce, a guy is going to feel guilty.
00:56:34.000 He's going to fight for it.
00:56:36.000 A female-inspired custody thing, the guy is going to fight for it.
00:56:39.000 He's going to want to.
00:56:40.000 And he's going to be devastated.
00:56:41.000 He's going to blame himself.
00:56:42.000 He's going to analyze everything he did wrong.
00:56:44.000 And he's going to want to fight, but he's also going to want to take any chance to make it up.
00:56:48.000 And that's not a weak man.
00:56:50.000 That's not some stupid guy.
00:56:52.000 That's a guy...
00:56:53.000 This is one of the things in our culture.
00:56:55.000 We don't have people speaking to broken men.
00:56:58.000 We just say they're weak.
00:56:59.000 And when a strong man...
00:57:01.000 The man that is the...
00:57:03.000 Biggest eagle, the CEO, the fighter, any of these things gets his ass kicked in a relationship.
00:57:09.000 He's never been hit that hard or hit hard in that way.
00:57:13.000 And so a lot of times he'll be just like beaten down.
00:57:16.000 And if he has a prenup, he's going to be so psychologically fucked while fighting that.
00:57:20.000 He's not going to know what to do.
00:57:22.000 He could then do something stupid.
00:57:29.000 We're good to go.
00:57:44.000 We're good to go.
00:58:00.000 That a lot of the men's movement has hurt men more, giving false hope, bullshit coaches, advice that doesn't work, gives guys a false sense of confidence.
00:58:11.000 Like, don't get a lawyer.
00:58:12.000 There's a time to not get a lawyer and you can do it yourself, but do it fucking right.
00:58:15.000 You have to bear down and not fuck this up.
00:58:19.000 And if you get a lawyer, then learn how to find a lawyer.
00:58:21.000 It's not just that the system's corrupt and people suck.
00:58:23.000 You have to learn it.
00:58:24.000 So, let's go into a hypothetical scenario.
00:58:28.000 Let's say someone has a girl, they get her pregnant, whatever it is, they got a kid with her.
00:58:35.000 And they get served this paperwork.
00:58:38.000 How should we go about this step-by-step?
00:58:40.000 I know you had mentioned go watch the judge, et cetera, et cetera.
00:58:43.000 But let's say someone gets served today.
00:58:47.000 What would you tell them step-by-step they need to do to ensure that they at least get some type of custody of their kids, right?
00:58:52.000 Like now that we have 20-20 hindsight from your mistakes, from clients that you work with, from your knowledge and everything else like that, generally speaking, what would they need to do step-by-step?
00:59:00.000 They get served that paperwork today, what do they do?
00:59:03.000 Step-by-step what they would do, ideally, but they're probably not gonna do it, is they should hire me, they should get my groups, they should talk with other men who are going through this.
00:59:11.000 Not men who've been past it, because here's one of the other things.
00:59:14.000 If a guy's been past this and it's been two years, his interpretation of it was it was hard, I had to step forward, I had to get a hobby, I had to get over it, I just had to move past it.
00:59:23.000 But in that moment, Your mind is so fucked.
00:59:26.000 You need to get around men going through it who have their finger on the pulse of it.
00:59:30.000 You also need to start looking at what is going to determine whatever it is, custody or visitation.
00:59:36.000 You have to understand how that is determined.
00:59:38.000 And it's not that she's a bitch and you're cool or you're an asshole sometimes.
00:59:43.000 One of the things my attorney told me is he said, Steve, I got a guy who was convicted of murder, custody of his kids.
00:59:50.000 Because they're two separate cases.
00:59:52.000 I'm not saying that he's a good dad, bad dad, whatever, anything like that.
00:59:56.000 But the thing is, is you have to understand what rules custody.
01:00:00.000 And you need to cut out the drama.
01:00:02.000 You need to not send text messages, but that's almost impossible.
01:00:06.000 You need to cut it down to only what is necessary in parenting.
01:00:09.000 You need to not listen to friends and family that are...
01:00:12.000 Well, listen to them for support, but not for legal advice in what you need to do right now.
01:00:16.000 And if you don't, it could end up good, but if it goes bad, it gets catastrophic quick and almost immediately.
01:00:23.000 So step one, get a support group of guys that are going through it.
01:00:26.000 Now, step two, should they secure a lawyer right then and there?
01:00:29.000 I think they should start interviewing lawyers, and you can always switch lawyers.
01:00:32.000 Okay.
01:00:32.000 How should they go about interviewing lawyers?
01:00:34.000 When you interview a lawyer, the best way to get a good lawyer is reference from other attorneys who are active.
01:00:40.000 The other thing that you should look for, so it could be a tax attorney, business attorney, all that sort of stuff, but if they reference a family law attorney and they're active in it, it's good.
01:00:49.000 So just to add to your point as well, I reached out to James Sexton, a very good lawyer in New York, and he has a network of guys that are very successful in their different endeavors, because obviously law is very diverse, and he knew people from a certain network, so I was like, you know what, who could I go to for these things, and he had a network there.
01:01:03.000 No man, like a network of attorneys, that's what I had in 2019, like I knew attorneys.
01:01:09.000 And I knew a bunch at a certain point.
01:01:10.000 Let's say people don't know.
01:01:12.000 How do they go about Googling and finding a family attorney in their area?
01:01:16.000 Google and Yelp are gonna give you a whole bunch of stuff.
01:01:20.000 Because let's say that attorney's really good and the ex puts a Yelp review against them or something like that or whatever.
01:01:26.000 Anybody can leave a review.
01:01:28.000 But they're good to go off of.
01:01:29.000 It's not bad.
01:01:30.000 But your number one thing that you gotta look for when interviewing an attorney is do they go to court?
01:01:34.000 Are they in front of judges?
01:01:35.000 You never want to go to trial, but you need an attorney that is never afraid to go to trial.
01:01:40.000 And so when this is the case, let's say we're in a dispute And my attorney says, dude, let's go to trial.
01:01:46.000 Let's go.
01:01:46.000 You want that intimidation to be real.
01:01:49.000 Okay.
01:01:49.000 Like, let's make this $20,000 more right now and the potential that you could get a ruling against you that could totally fuck you.
01:01:56.000 Okay.
01:01:56.000 Let's go.
01:01:57.000 So an attorney that is regularly- So you need a lawyer that has courtroom experience and isn't afraid to litigate.
01:02:02.000 Because that is true.
01:02:02.000 Most attorneys are terrified of actually litigating.
01:02:05.000 So, okay.
01:02:07.000 Okay.
01:02:07.000 So you interview them, make sure that they're actively in court, they're litigating cases, etc., and they're active.
01:02:13.000 So step one, you get served, join a group, get a lawyer.
01:02:17.000 Then what?
01:02:18.000 Should they start going to court and looking at that judge?
01:02:22.000 Absolutely.
01:02:22.000 Absolutely.
01:02:23.000 I think anybody, if you have the best lawyer in the world, you have to educate yourself on the system and you're going to have to work your ass off.
01:02:29.000 So lawyer or no lawyer, you have to know everything.
01:02:32.000 A good lawyer is going to have more clients and they're all fucked up, man.
01:02:36.000 Lawyers are crazy, right?
01:02:37.000 So a good lawyer is going to be in a spot where they're overwhelmed, they have a lot of cases, they make mistakes.
01:02:45.000 Should that lawyer also be very familiar with that judge that you got served with?
01:02:50.000 That's a part of the interview process.
01:02:52.000 Are you familiar with this judge?
01:02:53.000 When lawyers know each other, that's good.
01:02:55.000 It could be bad if they want to manipulate you, then that's bad, right?
01:03:00.000 If you're acting too dramatic, because guys and girls piss off their lawyers all the time.
01:03:06.000 Damn.
01:03:07.000 And if you get off on a bad foot with them, then they'll talk to the other lawyer, hey, let's talk these guys into this, right?
01:03:11.000 And that works against you.
01:03:13.000 But if they know each other, they can say, hey, look, man, she's saying this.
01:03:17.000 It's unrealistic.
01:03:18.000 Do we really want to throw time at this?
01:03:20.000 Like, this is a waste of time.
01:03:21.000 You need to talk her out of this, which is what essentially my lawyer did to my ex.
01:03:26.000 Yeah.
01:03:26.000 Okay.
01:03:27.000 So...
01:03:28.000 Join a group, secure the lawyer, start going in a courtroom.
01:03:31.000 How often should they be going and looking at how the judge rules?
01:03:35.000 Once a week?
01:03:36.000 No, I think they should watch 15 cases.
01:03:39.000 That's a ballpark thing.
01:03:40.000 There's guys in my group that'll watch it, watch family court every week, once a week.
01:03:44.000 Can you get through 15 cases and maybe two or three visits, you think?
01:03:49.000 Yes, yeah, but there's a lot of downtime.
01:03:52.000 They motion for recess and shit like that.
01:03:54.000 It's an all-day affair.
01:03:56.000 Yeah, they'll do two or three, recess, then come back, and okay.
01:04:00.000 So watch 15 cases.
01:04:01.000 That's good advice.
01:04:03.000 Then, as you get closer to your date, and you're saying avoid obviously contacting her.
01:04:09.000 Avoid all contact with her.
01:04:11.000 Be wary of advice given by friends and family.
01:04:14.000 Only listen to your lawyer.
01:04:15.000 What else will people do?
01:04:16.000 Because now, they're in your group, they're talking with their lawyer, They're going and they're looking at 15 cases.
01:04:22.000 Court cases coming up for the first hearing.
01:04:24.000 What else should they do in that time span?
01:04:26.000 You need to build a team.
01:04:28.000 And so if they're in my group or some support group like that, that team means they're talking to five people a day.
01:04:33.000 They're talking to five people a day who understand the process.
01:04:36.000 Not just like, man, I'm being accused of this.
01:04:39.000 I want to fucking kill her.
01:04:40.000 And some guy's like...
01:04:41.000 Just forgive them.
01:04:43.000 You need to listen to somebody that can relate.
01:04:45.000 And just go, man, I understand.
01:04:47.000 I want to do the same thing.
01:04:49.000 Let's not do it right now.
01:04:50.000 Let's talk this through.
01:04:52.000 Talk them off the ledge.
01:04:54.000 Pretty much.
01:04:54.000 When you get to that level of trauma, nobody's going to listen to anything unless you have experienced it.
01:05:01.000 Unless they respect you in it.
01:05:03.000 And for real, man, that's an honorable thing.
01:05:05.000 If you've walked in those shoes.
01:05:08.000 It's much different, man.
01:05:09.000 It's like, you're like, man, fuck this, let's fight.
01:05:12.000 And then it moves to like, but man, if I could just talk, I could just reason with her.
01:05:17.000 I could just talk to her.
01:05:18.000 And he's not thinking straight too.
01:05:22.000 And she's not thinking straight.
01:05:23.000 And you could say something that could get used against you and you don't think it So cut all contact.
01:05:30.000 Don't even talk to her.
01:05:31.000 People think, I can get her to change her mind.
01:05:33.000 Don't even bother.
01:05:33.000 But that's a day-by-day conversation you've got to have with guys.
01:05:36.000 I'd say three times a week you're going to have that conversation with a guy that's in his first two months, maybe six months, of where it's like, hey, look, no, man, you can't do it.
01:05:44.000 And he's still going to fuck up.
01:05:45.000 Because he's human.
01:05:46.000 But it's his nature to confront, to bring rationale to it, to protect his family, all those different things, in a way that he feels, but we're not living in our nature.
01:05:57.000 What else should they do?
01:05:59.000 Or is it just a weight game at this point?
01:06:01.000 The weight game is so fucked up, right?
01:06:06.000 Because you move big, big, big.
01:06:08.000 Man, we're going to do this.
01:06:09.000 We set it up.
01:06:10.000 We make the dates.
01:06:11.000 We get the deposition dates.
01:06:12.000 We get the hearing dates, whatever.
01:06:13.000 We're organizing stuff for mediation.
01:06:16.000 We're doing discovery honor, all this sort of stuff.
01:06:18.000 Okay, we're done.
01:06:19.000 Three months.
01:06:21.000 Shit.
01:06:22.000 Man, six weeks.
01:06:23.000 And that's so hard.
01:06:24.000 That's so hard.
01:06:25.000 Well, I wanna see my kids.
01:06:27.000 Here's actually a pro tip that comes from our groups.
01:06:30.000 If you're a father and you don't have a protective order or restraining order or anything like that, man, you can go eat lunch at school with your kids.
01:06:36.000 Call your school, find out when parents are allowed to come and buy back some parenting time.
01:06:40.000 Like, it's a huge thing that guys do in our groups and...
01:06:43.000 Really?
01:06:44.000 Oh man, it's the best.
01:06:45.000 Like, do it as much as possible.
01:06:47.000 Go and have lunch with your kid when they're in the cafeteria.
01:06:51.000 There's no consequences against that?
01:06:53.000 Nothing bad will happen?
01:06:54.000 Well, the school might be a private school and have their own rules.
01:06:57.000 If it's a public school, it has some system set up.
01:07:00.000 Almost all schools will have a system set up.
01:07:02.000 And it depends on the state, but in some states, you don't need any court order to do that.
01:07:07.000 If you're a parent, you can do it.
01:07:08.000 But you should check.
01:07:10.000 You should call the school.
01:07:10.000 That's a W tip.
01:07:11.000 And schools...
01:07:14.000 Does that illustrate your care to your children?
01:07:17.000 Is that why it's so important?
01:07:19.000 It's just important to be around your kids.
01:07:20.000 Guys are devastated.
01:07:21.000 That's the problem.
01:07:22.000 Oh, it helps with semblance of maintaining sanity.
01:07:25.000 The best way to combat parental alienation or being kept from your kids is parenting time.
01:07:33.000 It's not making her look bad or whatever.
01:07:36.000 It's how much parenting time can you get.
01:07:38.000 I have a question though, real quick.
01:07:39.000 If I go to my child's school and let's say she finds out about that, wouldn't that be used against me in court?
01:07:48.000 You're taking initiative to be a father?
01:07:50.000 But remember, if I'm not supposed to see the kid, doesn't that like...
01:07:53.000 No, no, no.
01:07:54.000 He said if they don't have a protective order, if there's nothing against you, you can go.
01:07:58.000 There could be a temporary parenting plan where they're like, we don't know, so we're going to play on the safe side, and she's going to watch the kids, and you can see them.
01:08:06.000 The court can't make a decision.
01:08:08.000 The parents are arguing and all that sort of stuff, so they just say, look, we're going to do this.
01:08:12.000 And you're like, you saw that child every day.
01:08:15.000 You know, you are so fucked.
01:08:17.000 Like, it's so hard to describe to people.
01:08:19.000 Like, it is mind-numbing.
01:08:22.000 And you're going crazy.
01:08:23.000 Like, you're all alone.
01:08:25.000 You have nothing, man.
01:08:26.000 You know?
01:08:26.000 And so, go to the school.
01:08:29.000 See the kids.
01:08:30.000 It might even be weird for them, but it's always better.
01:08:33.000 If your kids can't see you, and you're allowed to legally see them, see them as much as possible when it doesn't cause conflict with the mother.
01:08:40.000 Absolutely.
01:08:41.000 All right.
01:08:43.000 Okay, so I like that.
01:08:45.000 What else should guys be doing?
01:08:46.000 Because you mentioned very early on that the beginning is the most critical.
01:08:51.000 That's where everyone messes up.
01:08:53.000 They don't hire a lawyer or whatever it may be.
01:08:55.000 What else can guys do to avoid messing up so they're not starting this case off on the back foot?
01:08:59.000 Yeah, I think guys should seek out some sort of therapy or something like this.
01:09:04.000 Now, a support group is different than a lawyer and it's different than a therapist or some sort of, you know, psychological help or there's guys in our groups that go to, there's Muslim guys in our groups who go to Imams or Catholic guys that will go, like, seek out some guidance.
01:09:19.000 Okay.
01:09:20.000 And it's very important because it's that weekly check-in that gets you straight.
01:09:24.000 And if you have faith, you don't have to have faith.
01:09:27.000 You can be atheist, agnostic, whatever, and find some sanity.
01:09:31.000 But if you can find something that has some guidance, it's very important.
01:09:35.000 Because the biggest changes are going to be made in points of desperation.
01:09:39.000 But points of desperation are dangerous and they suck.
01:09:43.000 But if you can get somebody who has some wisdom to move towards that, it's going to make you a better father.
01:09:50.000 Okay, so just a recap for the audience, so you get served that paperwork, first thing you're doing is you're joining a support group, you're getting a lawyer, you're interviewing that lawyer, making sure that they are familiar with the judge that you've been assigned, then you start watching that judge in court, watch at least 15 cases.
01:10:04.000 Once you have those 15 cases down, obviously consult with people, get closer with maybe a religious leader of some kind, avoid contacting the girl.
01:10:14.000 Now we're at the point where we're going to get into that first hearing.
01:10:18.000 What should guys do?
01:10:19.000 Man, you need to be prepared.
01:10:22.000 So you need to take all the notes that you got from that judge and how they rule and how they ruled on cases similar to yours, as well as similar personality types of the mother.
01:10:31.000 So you don't know what she's going to do, but you can almost bank on that she's going to go for the hysterical thing.
01:10:37.000 So she's going to be too dramatic and try and be like Atticus Finch and To Kill a Mockingbird, like went over the court in all these charismatic ways.
01:10:46.000 Judges don't want to see that.
01:10:48.000 They want to see the facts, right?
01:10:51.000 So you need to understand her personality type.
01:10:55.000 I'd even say this.
01:10:57.000 And this is where men need to start.
01:10:59.000 Man, I really dislike this a lot about men's media.
01:11:04.000 Men need to learn how to stop with legal force in the courtroom, not by force force, on what was going to stop your baby mama, ex, whatever it is.
01:11:16.000 You need to stop that.
01:11:17.000 So if you know her psychological profile and you can disadvantage her in court to stop, that doesn't mean you ruin her life.
01:11:25.000 And I think that that is what's so important from our groups.
01:11:28.000 You don't disenfranchise the mom because it's going to affect the kids.
01:11:31.000 But you want the mom to get help if she needs it.
01:11:34.000 You want her to see reality.
01:11:36.000 You want to stop any sort of parental alienation, separating you from the parenting rules.
01:11:41.000 Yeah, that's interesting.
01:11:44.000 It's interesting because for you to be able to fight to get the custody...
01:11:48.000 You have to knock her down to a degree where it's like, no, kids need both.
01:11:51.000 But at the same time, you're saying, like, don't completely demolish her and show that she's not a fit parent.
01:11:55.000 I mean, look at this.
01:11:56.000 Like, women come in here and they say they're the shit.
01:11:59.000 And you say, man, really, come on, look at you.
01:12:02.000 Like, why are you holding yourself to that value?
01:12:05.000 Then up it.
01:12:06.000 If you are that value, if you think you're a 10, be it.
01:12:09.000 Fucking be it.
01:12:10.000 Don't lie to me about it.
01:12:11.000 So if I'm in there and my family's falling apart, I need to come in as a dad And say, hey, look, you need to stop.
01:12:18.000 But I can't say it in those words.
01:12:20.000 I need to say, look, in these situations, I took the kids to school more, whatever the thing is, and you did this and that, and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and you went out and partied, you tested positive for these drugs, whatever it is.
01:12:30.000 You need to use that to your advantage to say, man, here's the fucking reality.
01:12:34.000 You need to fucking stop.
01:12:36.000 This is about our kids.
01:12:37.000 This isn't about you empowering yourself and posting on social media and getting the cool divorce.
01:12:41.000 And this is obviously going to be argued on your behalf by your lawyer in court, right?
01:12:44.000 Or if you can do it, you can do it.
01:12:46.000 Like, you can go in pro se, but you just have to know what you're doing.
01:12:50.000 And the consequences, if you fail, could be very, very bad.
01:12:55.000 There's a guy that I actually met up with, and his motto is, shell support is fraud.
01:13:02.000 I don't know what that means per se.
01:13:05.000 He was saying it's kind of like a term used to kind of like go into court with, but he was saying that if you know what you're doing, you can get out of it pretty easily or get it lowered to a very low amount.
01:13:14.000 Man, so...
01:13:15.000 Because the more you see your kids, the less child support you pay, correct?
01:13:18.000 Well, no, no, no.
01:13:20.000 If it's 50-50, you don't pay?
01:13:21.000 Every state is different.
01:13:22.000 If it's 50-50, there's still a primary often.
01:13:25.000 And the primary will receive child support.
01:13:27.000 It depends on the state.
01:13:28.000 It depends on the county.
01:13:29.000 Child support is generally math.
01:13:31.000 Now, you can...
01:13:31.000 There's ways to get it down, and there's ways...
01:13:35.000 Like, so anything can be agreed upon outside of court.
01:13:38.000 So check this out.
01:13:40.000 If you're a guy, look, most dads, like, so the deadbeat dad, it's for real.
01:13:46.000 But most dads aren't a deadbeat dad.
01:13:48.000 Most dads being called a deadbeat dad are made by the system.
01:13:51.000 And they're disenfranchised.
01:13:53.000 They go in unprepared.
01:13:55.000 And they get set with child support that they can't pay.
01:13:58.000 They have legal fees on top of that.
01:14:00.000 They're confused by the court system.
01:14:02.000 They confuse child support with visitation because they're two different things.
01:14:06.000 And it's a total mindfuck.
01:14:09.000 So then they get down on themselves.
01:14:11.000 They can't, you know, exist in the right way.
01:14:13.000 They get depressed.
01:14:14.000 They start fucking up in places.
01:14:15.000 And they look like they're a deadbeat dad to everybody.
01:14:18.000 And they feel like one.
01:14:19.000 But every single one of those dads cares.
01:14:22.000 They care in a huge, massive way.
01:14:24.000 So if you hit hard, let's say in something like depositions or you do something outside of court and she knows she has nothing to stand on, you go, hey, let's settle.
01:14:35.000 Like if she has an attorney, your attorney or you or whatever makes the point to her attorney.
01:14:41.000 If you step forward, here's what happens.
01:14:43.000 If you step forward, we're subpoenaing all your coworkers.
01:14:48.000 We're going to subpoena your boss.
01:14:50.000 We're going to do a forensic audit on you.
01:14:54.000 We're going to do all these different things.
01:14:56.000 Is this what you do to her once you secure your attorney and let her know that this is what's going to come down the line?
01:15:01.000 If you can do it yourself, do it yourself.
01:15:02.000 But man, you probably need an attorney for that.
01:15:04.000 So you have to have an attorney that's willing to do that.
01:15:07.000 So here's the thing.
01:15:08.000 When you're interviewing attorneys and you're working with me, We're going to tell you.
01:15:12.000 We're going to tell you, like, look, if this is your angle, this is what you need to go for.
01:15:16.000 You need to find an attorney that's willing to do it.
01:15:18.000 And if your attorney's saying, I don't want to do that, or it's impossible, and we think it is, you know, like, we don't live in your state, and we're not attorneys ourselves, or some are, but we're not acting as your attorney.
01:15:28.000 You need to start asking your attorney.
01:15:30.000 Your attorney is your employee.
01:15:32.000 It's not like you're there just going, oh man, please help me.
01:15:36.000 You're going, I want this to happen, can you do it?
01:15:39.000 And if it's unrealistic, it's unrealistic.
01:15:41.000 But that's also I think something to bounce off the people in my group and so on.
01:15:45.000 So they mentioned, uh, well, shelter coach Greg Adams for giving a good, uh, video about this, but, uh, I think they've mentioned as well, if you give a woman money without it being through the court system, you just give her like, it's a gift.
01:15:58.000 Exactly.
01:15:59.000 So it doesn't cause child support.
01:16:00.000 So let's say you buy her, you give her like a thousand dollars or whatever, or maybe like a gift outside of the court system.
01:16:06.000 It's considered a gift nod.
01:16:07.000 You want your child support.
01:16:09.000 If you're gonna have the attorney general involved, which is kind of good, because if five years down the road she all of a sudden says, I need child support, she could screw you with arrears and all this sort of stuff on it.
01:16:19.000 But if you get it put on paper, it can be a good thing.
01:16:24.000 Think about this, child support could be the cheapest daycare you're gonna pay for.
01:16:32.000 Now, oftentimes, you might have to pay for daycare as well and these types of things.
01:16:36.000 But if you're not going to be a custodial dad, if that's already decided, right?
01:16:41.000 If you're fighting to be a custodial dad and you're fighting for time and you got 50-50 and you're getting screwed on child support, that is bad.
01:16:47.000 But you need to understand that the child support that you're paying should be going to something good.
01:16:53.000 Now, if you're in a state like California, man, like in Texas, it's capped.
01:16:58.000 In Florida, you actually start out with 50-50.
01:17:01.000 The judges are now moving more towards that, and Colorado as well.
01:17:05.000 So they're better states for men.
01:17:06.000 But New York and California, man, you could get hit with, like, man, catastrophic, like child support.
01:17:15.000 It's horrible.
01:17:17.000 So Elon Musk...
01:17:19.000 Pays, I forget what the cap is in Texas right now, but like $2,800 a month child support.
01:17:23.000 So there could be a guy that is not one of the richest men in the world paying the same amount as him.
01:17:28.000 Because it's capped.
01:17:29.000 It's capped.
01:17:29.000 Okay.
01:17:30.000 Interesting.
01:17:31.000 All right.
01:17:32.000 Any other chats?
01:17:34.000 Yeah, so we went over all the things that guys need to do.
01:17:37.000 Neil says, Steve, so awesome watching you bring your wisdom to the masses.
01:17:42.000 Preach, brother.
01:17:43.000 Knowing such an empowered male role model.
01:17:46.000 Shout out to you, Neil.
01:17:46.000 Shout out to Neil.
01:17:47.000 Neil is one of the best free diving coaches in the world.
01:17:51.000 And he's stationed right now in San Antonio.
01:17:52.000 He's awesome.
01:17:53.000 Shout out to him.
01:17:54.000 Anything else?
01:17:55.000 Always keep receipts.
01:17:56.000 Text a big one I've seen.
01:17:57.000 Girls do.
01:17:58.000 They still apply for food stamps for assistance and not report the date.
01:18:01.000 Dad's income fraud.
01:18:02.000 That's grounds for you to get hit with a back child support.
01:18:04.000 Okay.
01:18:05.000 Yeah.
01:18:05.000 Oh, wow.
01:18:07.000 Durek Myron says, Steven Myron, so as a young guy listening, and for me, I have some notes down.
01:18:11.000 I find it very overwhelming to even want to have a child, bro.
01:18:14.000 How do you navigate this?
01:18:14.000 It's almost better to not have kids.
01:18:16.000 Yeah, and this is like a fair argument, and I think this discussion should be had with people, but at the same time, you can't just stop there.
01:18:23.000 You need to keep educating yourself.
01:18:25.000 So just to make this really clear, if you go, don't get married, don't have kids, you're going to fall in love with somebody, you're going to have unprotected sex, you could get somebody pregnant, and then all of a sudden you're like, oh, shit.
01:18:37.000 So let's start educating yourself on it.
01:18:39.000 If you have a kid with somebody...
01:18:42.000 Man, in our world, parents aren't gonna stay together often.
01:18:45.000 You need to know how to empower yourself.
01:18:47.000 Because here's the thing, if you stop it legally, if you can stop this legally and calm her down, in two years, 18 months, you'll be good.
01:18:55.000 But if you don't, and you fight back and forth, you could be going for 18 years.
01:18:59.000 You could be at odds with somebody.
01:19:02.000 So if you have a child with somebody and it's contentious, stop it legally as best you can.
01:19:09.000 There's ways to definitely empower yourself.
01:19:11.000 Alright.
01:19:13.000 What else?
01:19:15.000 One more?
01:19:16.000 A few more just came in.
01:19:18.000 Yeah, if you guys got questions, get them in now because we're going to wrap up here in a little bit.
01:19:20.000 And Castle Club Chesky.
01:19:21.000 Iron Gaines and Walter are saving young men from, you know, self-diletion, saving young men against true destruction of the selves.
01:19:28.000 You both are on rocket to heaven.
01:19:29.000 I appreciate that, bro.
01:19:30.000 Like I said, episodes like this, guys, are going to stay free, man, for sure, because I think we gave you a lot of sauce on here and how to deal with a lot of situations.
01:19:38.000 Step by step, man, once you get served, what to do and how to deal with things.
01:19:42.000 I'm not going to lie, bro.
01:19:42.000 This is a lot of work just to have a kid.
01:19:45.000 I think also the other important thing, guys, is that obviously this information is fairly general.
01:19:50.000 And the reason why is because we don't know your state.
01:19:52.000 We don't know what your situation is with your girl or your wife or whatever it may be.
01:19:56.000 And I think once you get hit with that paperwork, joining a group, getting a lawyer, and then making sure that lawyer...
01:20:03.000 It knows what they're doing.
01:20:04.000 They're litigating all the time, etc.
01:20:05.000 I think going to the court and watching the judge rule is huge, seeing where that judge stands.
01:20:10.000 That's going to significantly change or, how do I say this, structure your strategy on how you move.
01:20:18.000 Because every judge is different.
01:20:19.000 Every county is different.
01:20:20.000 Every state is different.
01:20:21.000 All the laws are different.
01:20:22.000 Every lawyer is different.
01:20:22.000 So these are the general guidelines that you're going to need.
01:20:25.000 However, your actual real application and strategy is going to be contingent upon The factors I just mentioned, which can vary greatly, right?
01:20:34.000 So, what else do we got here?
01:20:36.000 Mo, you should use this as a thumbnail for...
01:20:39.000 Temeses Mejor.
01:20:42.000 Okay, interesting.
01:20:43.000 What the hell?
01:20:44.000 I think they're making fun of him.
01:20:45.000 They are.
01:20:46.000 I also have some...
01:20:49.000 Advice for guys trying to avoid going to all this, through all this.
01:20:53.000 Now, dudes in the chat, think about this.
01:20:55.000 How about learning how to pull out?
01:20:57.000 Or maybe try wearing a jimmy just saying, thanks for the shout-out, fellas.
01:21:00.000 It made me feel special.
01:21:00.000 Hold on.
01:21:01.000 Yeah, bro.
01:21:01.000 That was one of the first things we said in the beginning.
01:21:02.000 Steve, could you mention the pull-out method, how well that works?
01:21:06.000 Man, they have a name for people that use the pull-out method.
01:21:10.000 And they're called parents.
01:21:13.000 But hey, for real, a guy that you should have on is...
01:21:19.000 My buddy Eric Everhart, he's a porn star, and he's fucking awesome.
01:21:24.000 The guy's like full of knowledge about everything, not just about sex.
01:21:27.000 He's just listening to him about this, but he's like, we pull out all the time, and there's very few pregnancies.
01:21:31.000 So I don't know, man.
01:21:32.000 He's a fan of the pull-out method.
01:21:34.000 But I can be two, but I also have four kids.
01:21:39.000 Tony Moreno says, Steve is speaking.
01:21:42.000 In fact, 16 years ago when my son was...
01:21:46.000 That doesn't...
01:21:48.000 Number one, I think he means to say my son was born.
01:21:51.000 I fall like hell to get 50-50 residential from the get-go, so important to set the precedent in family court.
01:21:56.000 By the time he was nine years old, she frustrated my custody so many times.
01:21:59.000 I got full residential custody.
01:22:02.000 I did right by my son, and the court recognized I followed everything Steve says to my dudes.
01:22:06.000 Family court is a battleground.
01:22:07.000 Never have victim mentality.
01:22:09.000 When things don't go your way, overcome.
01:22:10.000 God bless.
01:22:10.000 Shout out to you, Tony.
01:22:11.000 Thanks for sharing, bro.
01:22:12.000 Thank you for sharing.
01:22:12.000 Shout out to Tony.
01:22:14.000 Anything else?
01:22:16.000 Alright, cool.
01:22:17.000 Alright.
01:22:17.000 Yo, so, Steve, I'll give you the last word, man.
01:22:20.000 Where can people find you?
01:22:22.000 There's probably someone right now in the chat that might have got served or, you know, is going through this right now and needs some help with navigating.
01:22:27.000 Where can they find you and how they go about it?
01:22:29.000 Yeah, so, all over social media.
01:22:31.000 I'm at Steve Maeda.
01:22:32.000 That's at.
01:22:33.000 S-T-E-V-E-M-A-Y-E-D-A. You can find me on TikTok, on YouTube.
01:22:37.000 It's at Steve Maeda TV. There's tons of videos on this.
01:22:41.000 It's like over a thousand videos that I have navigating through this.
01:22:44.000 More importantly, if you're going through this, just understand you're not weak if you're a good dad and you want to be around your kids and you hurt like hell.
01:22:53.000 You have strength that's making that pain.
01:22:56.000 And that pain is devastating and crushing and you need to get around other dads.
01:23:00.000 If that's my group, if that's talking to me, great.
01:23:03.000 But if it's talking to somebody...
01:23:04.000 You offer consultations as well?
01:23:05.000 Dude, I work seven days a week.
01:23:07.000 I work 50 hours a week talking to guys.
01:23:08.000 Before this, there was a call that we had that gave me a bunch of like...
01:23:12.000 You gotta say this.
01:23:13.000 You gotta say this.
01:23:13.000 And I probably screwed it all up.
01:23:15.000 But the guys in my group, we're active, man.
01:23:17.000 We're 24-7.
01:23:19.000 You did great, man.
01:23:20.000 You did great.
01:23:20.000 Thank you.
01:23:21.000 No.
01:23:22.000 Guys, hell, I think this is one of the more important episodes that we've done, man.
01:23:26.000 If you're going through it, if you think you're...
01:23:28.000 Hell, even if you think that it's coming down the pipeline, it might be worth it to get a consultation because, again, your situation is going to be completely different based on where you live and all the other factors we mentioned.
01:23:37.000 So you're going to want to go ahead and be able to talk to someone like Steve or get in a group and be able to get...
01:23:42.000 Tailored advice for your situation, okay, guys?
01:23:44.000 Because everyone's situation is completely different.
01:23:47.000 Hope you guys enjoyed the episode.
01:23:48.000 We'll be back for after hours in a little bit.
01:23:51.000 It's 9.30 now, so probably within the hour.
01:23:54.000 Like the video, guys.
01:23:55.000 Go check out Steve, man.
01:23:56.000 Thank you so much for coming on the pod, bro.
01:23:57.000 Man, thank you so much for having me.
01:23:58.000 Absolutely, man.
01:23:59.000 Thank you, guys.
01:23:59.000 Thank you, Owen Cook, as well.
01:24:00.000 Yeah, shout out to Owen Cook for setting us up.
01:24:03.000 And these are important episodes, man.
01:24:05.000 Nobody does like Fresh Fit, man.
01:24:06.000 All the dads who can't see their kids, man.
01:24:09.000 Stay alive.
01:24:10.000 Stay strong.
01:24:11.000 Absolutely, man.
01:24:12.000 Guys, join the group.
01:24:12.000 Hit up Steve before you make any crazy decisions.
01:24:15.000 And we'll catch you guys back here in a little bit.
01:24:16.000 Peace.
01:24:17.000 Peace.