Is segregation racist? What does it mean, and why is it so common in the modern world? And why does it have to do with race? This week, we take a deep dive into that question, and explore whether or not it's actually a racist issue. Plus, we talk about why the idea of a "white only space" is a racist one, and what it means to be white in the 21st century, and whether it's really as bad as some people say. This episode is brought to you by Gimlet Media and produced by Sarah Abdurrahman and the Equalizer Project, and edited by Annie-Rose Strasser. Our theme song is Come Alone by The Weakerthans, courtesy of Lotuspool Records, and our ad music is by Build Buildings Records. Special thanks to our sponsor, Caff Monster Energy Drink, for making great tasting drinks with twice the caffeine and fueling the podcast's energy and keeping us awake all night long? Please rate, review, and subscribe on Apple Podcasts, and tell a friend about what you think of the show! Subscribe, share, and spread the word to your friends about it! We're listening to this podcast! Timestamps: 4:00 - Is racism racist? 5:30 - Is it a racist thing? 6:15 - What do you think? 7:00 8:40 - What does racism mean to you? 9:20 - What is racism? 10: Is it okay? 11:00 | Is it's good? 15: What do we need a white only space? 16:30 | Is racism a racist idea? 17:40 | What are we allowed to have a black only space ? 18:20 | What do I like? 19:10 | What can we do with it? 21:40 22:00 // 21:30 23:10 Is it racist? 26:00 / 22:20 27:30 Is it bad? 26: Is racism white only? 25:30 Are you white? 27:00 Is it wrong? 29: What are you a racist place? 30: What would you like a black, black? 35: Is that a racist word? 36:00 Do you think it's a racist concept? 31:00 + 32:00
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00:01:44.000But anyway, you know, my kids are Indian and Scottish.
00:01:50.000At our old place upstate, we had a big, on the porch, there was a big sort of banner, wood sign, wood sort of, it was letters that I stained and stuck to the front of the porch.
00:02:29.000Where they're called the Burghers, I believe.
00:02:31.000It's a very difficult thing to Google because you end up finding hamburgers in India.
00:02:35.000But they have their own weird culture that's a combination of the English and India.
00:02:43.000I also like, I like those sort of outcast cultures too.
00:02:47.000People, English people in Northern Ireland who are patriotic Brits, usually they're soldiers, living in a place where the Northern Irish want them dead.
00:03:23.000And it's really at the crux of this racist allegation you keep hearing about.
00:03:28.000When someone says white nationalist, like Richard Spencer, they are talking about someone who wants a white only space.
00:03:37.000And it's just a given that that is totally taboo and if you want that you deserve to be ostracized from society and fired and deplatformed and all that stuff.
00:03:48.000I don't agree with that, but I don't think you should be fired and deplatformed.
00:03:51.000But I don't think people realize what a mainstream notion it is.
00:03:55.000That's really what I want to get at on this show.
00:05:27.000And during that meeting, that black student stormed the student union and he's saying things like, um, we just want to be niggas and we gotta suck dick just to be niggas and eat fried chicken once in a while.
00:05:38.000Translation, uh, why did we have to apply for a permit just to have a black introduction week and serve black food?
00:06:26.000Sings about why can't we have our own black state in the United States with black run roads and black businesses and black cheese, black farmers, black everything.
00:06:40.000Which is a weird thing to say because I think Nas is overestimating the percentage of blacks in America.
00:08:28.000They weren't doing anything in the late 80s, early 90s, you stupid bitch.
00:08:35.000On Parlor, I was talking about questions for her.
00:08:38.000So many black questions I'd love to see or have to answer.
00:08:41.000Like when African-American people go to the Chinese corner store and they order a big container of iced tea and wings, what are the three condiments that African-American people of color tend to put on their wings?
00:08:56.000Now the answer is salt, pepper, and ketchup, but I guarantee she doesn't know that.
00:09:02.000Who is the Asian guy in the band 2 Live Crew?
00:09:31.000And that's another area where there's voluntary segregation.
00:09:35.000Black neighborhoods don't want white people in them.
00:09:38.000They talk about Trader Joe's gentrifying the neighborhood.
00:09:42.000They have huge protests when Whole Foods... It's strange, too, because you hear that the reason there's an obesity epidemic in the black community is they don't have food education.
00:09:50.000I don't know what the fuck that means.
00:09:53.000And it's a food ghetto where there's only KFC.
00:10:53.000Anyway, he's looking through the classifieds and he notices that, uh, you know, apartments in New York are, the best you're going to get is 1,700 bucks.
00:11:29.000Some woman's on a payphone and she stops talking and she's staring at him as he walks down the street with his newspaper in his hand with the rental circled in red.
00:11:38.000And she goes, she gets off the phone, lets it fall, and she walks out doing kind of a swagger with snapping her fingers and moving her head like a bobblehead.
00:11:45.000And she goes, oh no, oh hell no, you ain't moving to my neighborhood.
00:11:51.000He got a few of those when he went to look at the apartment.
00:11:56.000But then I knew other hipsters that would move out there because they were poor and stupid and they just get a pit bull or I met this one couple and she told me that she'd be waiting in line at the bodega to buy milk and black people in the lineup would be screaming at her going what the
00:12:10.000What the fuck you doing in this neighborhood?
00:12:13.000What are you doing in this neighborhood?
00:12:14.000Now, it's not like I hate white people, they make me sick, they play golf and listen to country music.
00:12:19.000I think the impetus was, if hipsters start moving in here, and then the gays, the price of rent is going to start going up, and I won't be able to afford my own neighborhood anymore, so get these fuckers out of here.
00:12:28.000And they have protests for this in New York, all over America, when Whole Foods and Trader Joe's start moving in.
00:12:34.000And they don't go bankrupt and then the gays start coming in.
00:12:38.000They don't want the neighborhood to be gentrified.
00:15:12.000So Kansas City, back before Jackie Robinson, would have this big stadium right in the middle of—it wasn't in the middle of Kansas, sorry.
00:15:20.000The black stadium was in the black part of town.
00:15:27.000So there was about three or four times a week there'd be a major game.
00:15:30.000And I bet it was good, because you look at baseball today and it's half black.
00:15:36.000And so they'd all go there, and it was, you know, two bits to watch a baseball game, and this is back when everyone was respectable, so they'd have suits on, little hats, and there'd be, there'd be, you know, your janitor, and there'd be the kid who plays the fucking wood crates for change, and there'd also be your black dentist and your black doctor, and from upper class to middle class to lower class, all together.
00:15:57.000And they would talk and meet and they'd share food and they'd share, you know, stories.
00:16:01.000And it was the glue that held the community together, even more so than church, because you'd go more often than church.
00:16:08.000And it helped the community thrive too.
00:16:10.000When people socialize like that, it's not just like, hello, Mr. Dentist.
00:16:13.000It's, it's, I heard you're, you're talking about your porch.
00:16:18.000And all he asks is that you help him build this or the, he takes the old lumber and sells it to that.
00:16:22.000Like you're networking and you're prospering as a community.
00:16:27.000And then Jackie Robinson broke the barrier, which we all take as wonderful, and I do think it's wonderful, but all I'm doing here is playing a little brain teaser and talking about the other... I'm playing devil's advocate here and showing you the other argument, and showing you that I get it.
00:16:57.000So, Jackie Robinson breaks the color barrier in baseball, and then all these other blacks start going, obviously, free market, which I'm for, start going into the game, and now it's desegregated, and after a few N-words, it just becomes a cornucopia of different culture.
00:17:17.000However, the black community in Kansas City was totally devastated.
00:17:23.000Because their baseball got worse and worse and worse as their top players started leaving.
00:17:27.000It's just like, I was talking to Michelle about the Philippines.
00:17:51.000So what happens when you have a culture like that?
00:17:54.000Someone else shows up and puts in air conditioners.
00:17:56.000Like in Singapore, the Chinese saw a chance to build a city from scratch.
00:18:01.000They said, all right, we're going to be fascist about gum.
00:18:05.000If you put gum on the sidewalk, you're getting caned.
00:18:07.000And as Amy Chua says in the book, Rolled on Fire, they just put in air conditioners and boom, they had a work environment.
00:18:14.000They just buckled down and started making stuff.
00:18:16.000And they made a city, one of the most prosperous cities in the world, Singapore.
00:18:22.000And so, in the Philippines, no, not so much in the Philippines, because it's so far away, but, you know, in Jamaica, for example, the French, Europeans, English, they just, this is after separatism, this is, an independent Jamaica was 69, so this is post-independent Jamaica, they just said, nah, all right, I'm gonna set up some air conditioners, I'm gonna build a bunch of beautiful houses here, with all the cheap labor, and I'm gonna make money off tourism, sorry.
00:19:07.000There's plenty of construction going on all over Jamaica.
00:19:10.000You guys just decided that you didn't want to do it.
00:19:14.000I mean, Jamaica's... My buddy Jeff, who lives there, he's always talking about how the West isn't the best, and... First of all, I'm not willing to concede that Jamaica isn't the West, but anyway... He's like, this is paradise.
00:19:27.000I'm like, as he's saying this, I'm looking at cinder blocks with rebar sticking out of them, and a boat in a harbor that's just on its side.
00:19:41.000When was the last time you go by a port and you just see a boat on its side?
00:19:47.000I love Jamaica, and I go there every year, but... Anyway, it's frustrating that locals can't make more money off of something as simple as tourism.
00:20:47.000And because that was such a big part of the community, because that was the meeting hall, that was the glue, the whole community fell apart.
00:21:16.000During the Nicaraguan crisis, when the freedom fighters were at war with the communists, Ronald Reagan wanted to send them money, but for some reason he wasn't allowed.
00:21:27.000We had written some pact that we wouldn't interfere.
00:21:30.000Now there was a Nicaraguan politician who was here,
00:21:36.000Who said, I have a way to get money to the Nicaraguan Freedom Fighters, but it's not the most ethical or even legal.
00:22:03.000And this guy's a really good cocaine salesman, so I'll ship it in from Nicaragua, he'll sell it for millions, I'll get a cut, and then we'll sell those millions back to the Nicaraguan freedom fighters.
00:24:39.000Liberia was a place where blacks said, we don't like white people, we don't want to be around them anymore, let's start our own blacks-only country and go back to Africa where we belong.
00:24:49.000I mean, it sounds like something a racist would say.
00:27:17.000Actually, this guy gave me a big argument about how in the Torah there's a thing where God says you should try all of his creations and that should include wine and pot.
00:27:25.000I mean, they do get shit-faced during Purim.
00:27:31.000But Hasidic Jews... I remember this was about 2010.
00:27:36.000And they were renting to hipsters in Williamsburg because the Hasidic Jewish landlords claimed that they'd get more money and the hipsters would pay on time.
00:27:46.000The Hasidic Jewish landlords in Williamsburg were claiming that Hasidic Jews don't pay their bills.
00:28:46.000I mean, I guess the police don't arrest you, whereas in apartheid it was illegal for blacks and whites to marry, and you would be arrested by the police if you violated that.
00:28:58.000So, is the beef with segregation that we don't mind it when it's voluntary, but we do mind it if the police enforce it?
00:29:20.000That's another thing that I was yelling with Dyson about where he said, tell me an example of any kind of prejudice towards whites in history.
00:29:25.000And I said, dude, the sign said, no blacks, no Irish, no dogs.
00:29:30.000That was in the inn, the window of inns all over England, not long ago in the sixties.
00:29:41.000Another place you see white segregation is in the suburbs.
00:29:46.000So, areas become black, schools become black, and for whatever reason, upper middle class white people don't want their kids going to schools with black people in them.
00:30:00.000They say we want them going to good schools, but you'll notice that the good schools they're talking about seem to be predominantly white.
00:30:06.000It's rare they go, we want our kids going to good black schools in the Bronx.
00:30:11.000There's Bronx science, I believe, but it's disproportionately white.
00:30:36.000God, why did we take all these Indian names for everything?
00:30:39.000You know, when the Scots settled upstate New York, they named things like Shit Creek and Cunt Mountain, because they wanted things to be easy to pronounce, and they were funny.
00:31:20.000It's almost like the French, you know the French in the 70s where they would glorify like Eartha Kitt and stuff and they'd have them perform, these black, sexy, what was her name?
00:31:32.000She was some black performer, Coco or whatever, performing in Paris.
00:31:54.000They've done, they look like Egyptians do now, which is Arab.
00:31:59.000You know, Northern Africa was not black.
00:32:02.000Hannibal, who rode his elephants over to Italy via, I guess, a bunch of big ferries, was an African-looking guy.
00:32:11.000The Moors, who went and conquered Spain for 700 years.
00:32:15.000Black guys always talk about, I'm a Moor.
00:32:17.000The Moors were Arab, they looked like Kumia.
00:32:20.000All these Northern Africans were not black.
00:32:23.000And then Ari the Rugged Man goes, why are there black people on his crypt, on his tomb?
00:32:30.000And it's because they would paint their slaves on their tomb as an homage because it made your tomb look cool to have your servants painted all over it.
00:32:56.000As soon as the perimeter for who's allowed to go to this school dips into the nearby black neighborhood, they start shitting their pants and having huge protests and screaming and yelling.
00:33:10.000And that's because they don't want black kids at the school.
00:33:15.000Now that could be because they think it lowers the grades.
00:33:17.000It could also be they don't want their daughters marrying a black guy or having a black boyfriend.
00:33:32.000Peter Bagg cartoon that he did I think it was for a reason it's called diversity is our strength and it has all of these liberals talking about diversity and how important it is and then the protagonist in the cartoon goes well why don't you why are the schools so white if you're so about multiculturalism he goes oh those other schools are terrible I'd never send my kids there I'm not exactly nailing the punchline of the comic but he's saying exactly what I'm saying
00:33:59.000And again, mix it up with the schools.
00:34:05.000It's the whitest place I've ever lived in my life, and I've never heard more people talk about diversity, and I've never seen more coexist bumper stickers in my life.
00:37:22.000So why did these yuppies who are well-educated themselves, and I assume intelligent to some degree, why did they send their daughters to these places where they make, where they spend 60 to 80 grand a year?
00:37:35.000And it's because they want them to be with a certain stock.
00:37:39.000gentlemen a certain spouse it's it's essentially eugenics they are sending them to NYU so they'll have someone of similar caliber similar quality because City College which is just down the street in New York is three grand a year and a lot of the time it's the same professor same classes just with a different name so why spend 60 when you could spend three well it's City College there's Polacks and Asians and
00:38:06.000Indians with accents and all these immigrants who can't afford MIU.
00:38:10.000So now your daughter is amongst the filth.
00:38:14.000See, this is true multiculturalism gets tested and all of a sudden these people with the coexist bumper sticker go, yeah, no, I don't actually literally want them around me.
00:40:59.000They choose white neighborhoods, but I would say blacks in black neighborhoods and Asians in Chinatown are more segregated voluntarily than white people are.
00:41:11.000But for some reason, white people are the only ones that aren't allowed to basically even think that.
00:41:18.000I mean, white nationalist is an insult.
00:41:58.000It's like a bunch of gay people are having sex.
00:42:01.000But when this one type of gay has sex, they call it pedophilia.
00:42:04.000Now, I'm not gay, so I don't want any of that stuff.
00:42:07.000But I do, when I look over at those gays, I go, why do you call it pedophilia when it's that one type of gay and all the other gays are doing the same thing?
00:42:16.000And it's not pedophilia, that girl's 18.
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00:42:59.000And I don't see how you wouldn't do that.
00:43:25.000But I would think it's great for emergencies, where for whatever reason, you're too psyched out, maybe you've been drinking too much or doing something else, and you just can't get it up, and this is the moment.
00:43:35.000What if Eva Mendes breaks up with her boyfriend, and she sees you at a party, and you remind her of her first boyfriend, and she's like, I can't believe I'm doing this, I'm fucking a loser like you, but come up to my hotel, I'm in room 13B, and you go, this is it, my man, this is it.
00:43:55.000And even if you never see her again, imagine the story, I fucked Eva Mendes.
00:43:59.000Now what if you get up there, you wash your penis in some other sink, just to make sure everything's fine, you smell your armpits, take a breath mint, and you get up there and she can't wait to see you and she's just super funny and cool and music's playing and you're like, this is not just gonna be sex, this is going to be a party.
00:44:15.000We're having a physical nude body party.
00:44:18.000Sex is just a tiny part of how awesome this is going to be.
00:44:21.000And if I never see you again, that's horrible because I want to marry her.
00:44:24.000But still, this is going to be a hell of a night.
00:44:28.000A night I'll be thinking of in my rocking chair when I'm 75.
00:44:32.000And by the way, my wife lost it on me once because she found these pictures of ex-girlfriends, nude ex-girlfriends I'd collected over the years.
00:44:40.000These are wrapped up in an envelope, duct-taped, right?
00:45:54.000When you slash someone's face, and this might be why I'm able to talk about race so easily, my stock is way more violent and dangerous than anything you've heard about any other race.
00:46:06.000My dad had a bumper sticker that had this Scotsman with huge hulking muscles and he looked deranged and he was missing teeth and he had, you know, scars all over him and a kilt and it said, Scots, the friendly race.
00:46:21.000And yeah, so when people say, ooh, Mr. White hoity-toity, like I don't think of a guy at the golf course wearing a tuxedo and a top hat with a monocle.
00:46:31.000I think of my relatives, my dead relatives who died of alcoholism.
00:46:35.000I don't come from this notion of white superiority.
00:46:40.000And by the way, little side note, folks, and I mentioned this with the Dyson discussion, whites are the seventh most successful ethnic group in America.
00:46:49.000Below Lebanese, below Japanese, below Israeli, even below other white, like American whites are below Australian whites.
00:46:57.000It could be because immigrants do better, I don't know.
00:47:00.000Whites as an ethnic group are less successful than African immigrants who came here from Africa and said, why are you gay?
00:47:21.000So you cut the face with the two blades separate like that and it prevents the doctors from being able to stitch your face up neatly because this middle strip falls down and is hanging there like a piece of spaghetti.
00:47:48.000And now when you stitch it up, it's a massive cesarean scar on your face.
00:47:53.000By the way, the strangest part of all that is when women see you with a cesarean scar on your face in Glasgow, you're basically in The Beatles.
00:48:00.000Like, you have to fight them to get them away from you because you're so unbelievably gorgeous to them.
00:48:05.000It's like, it's like being, I don't know, in a boy band.
00:48:09.000Like, women cannot get enough of men with facial scars in Glasgow.
00:48:13.000Anyway, the reason I do that long intro, I'm still doing a Blue Chew read.
00:48:18.000This is still for our sponsors, so you guys have to count this when you're paying your bills.
00:48:22.000That little strand that hangs down, that's what your dick feels like when you can't get it up.
00:48:28.000And if you were to get Eva Mendes in a party room, and you have a strip of face skin hanging down like that, I mean, I'm mad at you.
00:48:36.000So, just have one Blue Chew in your wallet.
00:48:42.000As a fireman, as a penis 911, as an emergency.
00:48:47.000And you'll never be in that situation.
00:48:49.000Just say, oh, excuse me, Eva, I have to go take a giant dump.
00:49:20.000They say milkshakes, but the milkshakes have quick-drying cement in them, so that'll be a concussion.
00:49:24.000They're also throwing acid, face-melting acid, with wax.
00:49:29.000In the acid, so it sticks to your face and you become disfigured.
00:49:32.000I'll be popular in Glasgow with the ladies after my acid attack.
00:49:36.000And then, of course, the usual mace, crowbars.
00:49:40.000They've been separate in Portland after they beat up Andy Ngo and gave him a brain bleed with their cement milkshakes and punching his face and collapsing his eye socket and the like.
00:49:50.000They're also beating up old men with crowbars.
00:49:53.000I would consider myself an old man, so I'll be getting a crowbar to the head.
00:49:57.000So I'm gonna come back looking like Chucky at the end of a Chucky movie.
00:50:03.000The end of Chucky 6, I'm gonna look like when I come back on Monday.
00:50:06.000But we'll be live-streaming that on FreeSpeech.TV.
00:50:10.000So on this Saturday, we'll be live-streaming the Free Speech event on the live-stream section of FreeSpeech.TV.
00:50:16.000We'll also record it and have it up on the site later, edited down obviously.
00:50:24.000And no Milo this Friday, no live podcast this Thursday.
00:50:44.000So, Monday is Withnail and I, Tuesday is Animal House, Thursday is Husbands and Wives, and... Wait, Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and then Thursday is...
00:51:17.000Don't get arrested for some stupid reason involving a bunch of lunacy that I warned you about 50 times and even helped you with several times and you kept walking back into the fire.
00:51:39.000I'll see you, sorry to be so anticlimactic, I guess I'll see you Saturday on freespeech.tv and then we're back to normal shows, new engineer, everything will be normal on Monday.