James O'Keefe, John Lott, and John Matz join me on this episode of Get Off My Lawn to talk about gun control, school shootings, fake news, and much, much more! Get On My Lawn is a production of Gimlet Media.
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00:02:40.000So the whole idea of being remotely seductive has been out the window for a long ass time.
00:02:48.000The reason I want to get those three guys in is because they're all in the news and they're all our bros.
00:02:52.000It's funny, when we came up with this show, Free Speech, we said that'll sort of be the general gist, like free speech, but it'll be comedy and we won't, it's not like we'll be touching on free speech every episode.
00:04:45.000So I'm doing all this by the seat of my pants due to my incompetent employee or ex-employee who with his actions told me to take this job and shove it.
00:07:09.000So we realize this isn't about stopping hate.
00:07:12.000This is proof that what it's really about is controlling the narrative.
00:07:18.000Big tech is in bed with the DNC and the left, and they want to make sure that they are in charge of the narrative.
00:07:25.000And if someone does their own thing, we'll know.
00:07:27.000So not only is John being told, you have to develop your own app if you don't like Twitter, you have to develop your own phone now.
00:07:36.000Apple contacted me over a week ago via telephone saying that we need to ban offensive content off parlor or they will take parlor off the app store.
00:07:45.000We flat out refused and now we cannot push updates.
00:07:47.000Let's talk to him about what offensive is defined as too.
00:07:50.000Obviously by offensive they mean conservative.
00:07:52.000Twitter is exempt from this clause as they generate more hatred than any platform in history.
00:07:56.000Please share and leave Bill with the Apple Review Board a voicemail and then that is at 1-408-974-2992.
00:09:20.000We have like two teams, and I avoid talking to them for that reason.
00:09:24.000But I mean, realistically, I'd like to try to go to their headquarters and speak directly to senior management or ideally someone like Tim Cook directly about what happened yesterday because it's going to happen again.
00:09:37.000And if it's happening to me and Barler, it's happening to a lot of other people.
00:09:42.000This is not the first time they banned an app of mine.
00:09:47.000We talked about that, your Hillary game.
00:09:48.000Yeah, I mean, look, I try not to talk about it too much because I'm running a bipartisan company now.
00:09:55.000My personal politics can't come into play.
00:09:57.000But in the 2016, before the election, they didn't want my game going viral, which was where you manage Hillary Clinton's email server and you'd delete all the emails before the FBI could find them.
00:10:55.000You know, as long as you don't get violent, you don't do anything aggressive.
00:10:59.000That's what I find so fascinating about this war on you is you didn't say give Nazis the right to talk or even give conservatives the right to talk.
00:11:07.000You said, let's just have an open platform.
00:11:09.000And by them protesting you, they're conceding that they're not against hate.
00:12:54.000This is very official, blah, blah, blah.
00:12:56.000And I was like, oh, okay, it's so official that two hours later when the president's son tweets about it, you know, at 1.30 in the morning, by the way, I'm getting phone calls.
00:13:03.000Is that official normal procedure for Apple?
00:13:07.000You know, I remember Twitter about four years ago when the Nazis were in full swing.
00:13:12.000And Ron Coleman, my lawyer, talks about this.
00:13:27.000And then Twitter was pretty good for a while.
00:13:29.000And then they thought, wait a minute, we can use that same justification to get rid of everyone we don't like and control the conversation.
00:13:34.000But I've been on parlor for about a week or so now.
00:13:38.000And I'm following as many people as I can.
00:13:44.000It's not even close to as bad as Twitter was a few years ago.
00:13:47.000You definitely see a lot of conservatives.
00:13:49.000And that's probably because it's my tweets or whatever.
00:13:51.000But I haven't seen any racism, any N-words, any anti-Semitism.
00:13:57.000I haven't personally seen any anti-Semitism on there other than a few select users who are obviously trolls and they gave up after a day because they weren't getting any traction.
00:14:05.000I have seen a lot of anti-Islam stuff, but we also have a lot of pro-Islam stuff too and people defending it.
00:14:11.000I mean, that's the whole part of the debate.
00:14:13.000But from my point of view, Twitter is what I would call a hate haven.
00:14:19.000If you want the definition of hate and you want to figure out what hate is, just go on any one of Donald Trump's posts and don't read what he has to say.
00:14:27.000Read what all of the angry, hateful, awful leftists who are working with Twitter to promote those comments are saying.
00:14:36.000So if Apple's going to take a look at Parlor for some minor offenses by people's comments who have no votes, who are just talking about illegal immigration, et cetera, then you should take a look at Twitter and ban them before they ban us because they are a hate haven.
00:14:51.000Yeah, I saw Dana Lash was trending on Twitter recently, and 100% of the comments, not one of them was kind, and they were all rotten hell, bitch, and we're so glad you're gone.
00:15:07.000And the worst part is, is Twitter doesn't, like, we publish it where you can sort it by like most liked comment, least liked comment, most recent, you know, the oldest.
00:15:16.000Theirs is, we are going to tell you what we think that you want to see for the comments.
00:17:57.000But then you think, imagine from her perspective, just standing there waiting for the light to cross and knowing that like seven people are going, oh my.
00:21:42.000It's just a given that they're not just on the increase.
00:21:44.000They've sort of come up and now they plateaued at peak mass shooting.
00:21:48.000Two, a big problem with these mass shootings is Air-15s have super bullets that go way faster than any other bullet.
00:21:55.000And then three, this isn't really a third, but three, let's just accept this, and now we need triage kits everywhere we go because there's going to be bleeding kids everywhere.
00:22:11.000Well, I mean, there's been 2017 and 2018 were relatively high years for it.
00:22:19.000You know, those two years, there surely has been an increase in relative to other years.
00:22:27.000Overall, in terms of the number of shootings, even with those two years, it's pretty flat.
00:22:32.000The big increase that you did see an increase, though, in terms of the number of deaths from these types of shootings.
00:22:39.000A lot of that has to do with the Las Vegas attack that's there.
00:22:43.000So, you know, obviously we've had a couple bad years, obviously horrible years in terms of the number of deaths that are there.
00:22:53.000Whether that's an aberration, whether that's a trend, I suppose you have to wait a little bit longer.
00:22:58.000So far this year, we've had three mass public shootings.
00:23:03.000The number of deaths are down quite a bit from what it had been before.
00:23:07.000So, you know, my own guess is that was probably a little bit of an aberration.
00:23:14.000Well, they do this with climate change.
00:23:15.000They take the past 10 years and they ignore 3.5 billion.
00:23:20.000I looked at the charts you sent me, and I even looked at their charts, and there's so many strange spikes that drawing a graph is totally misleading.
00:23:30.000It's like the number of times a watermelon has spontaneously exploded.
00:23:34.000Well, yeah, there's been two in the past two years, but to draw a graph amongst these numbers, I guess it might be going up sort of.
00:23:44.000Whether they say let's you have two years that are very bad, okay?
00:23:50.000Whether that's and a lot of that has to do with a couple of attacks that are there.
00:23:57.000Whether that's a trend or not, you know, I don't know.
00:24:02.000I mean, one thing I can't say is that virtually all these attacks keep on occurring in places where people aren't allowed to defend themselves.
00:24:14.000You have the irony with the Virginia Beach attack.
00:24:17.000You have another mass public shooting in a place where the victims were banned from having guns.
00:24:24.000And the response from the Virginia Beach City Council is to say, well, we have to go and ban guns and still other areas.
00:24:32.000Obviously, the killer in this case was banned from having guns in that area, and yet it didn't stop him.
00:24:40.000One of the tragedies about this is that there was a woman there named Kate Nixon who was concerned about this guy.
00:24:48.000Apparently had complained about him to no avail and had talked to her family about whether she should go and carry her permit-concealed handgun with her to work.
00:25:00.000Virginia Beach was one of those municipalities in Virginia that didn't allow municipal employees to be able to have permit-concealed handguns.
00:25:11.000And apparently she was going to take it that morning, had walked out to her car, but had decided at the last moment that she just couldn't go and break the rules that were there.
00:25:24.000And so locked the gun in her house and went into work and was killed later that day.
00:25:34.000Well, I mean, no, I can understand why people, law-abiding citizens, don't want to break the rules.
00:25:40.000Obviously, this killer, though, didn't face the same compulsion to obey the rules.
00:25:45.000And in fact, the fact that he was willing to break it while everybody else obeyed the rule made it easier for him to go and kill lots of people than he would have been able to kill otherwise.
00:25:57.000So the graph we just showed, there was 53, 71, 117, another one that was around 71.
00:26:03.000There was four shootings from 2016 to now that make it look like it's going up.
00:26:28.000I mean, obviously, we've had the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas attack.
00:26:34.000But even when you take that into account, when you look over time, there's been a general decline in deaths from school shootings.
00:26:44.000So, I mean, you know, people are relatively safer in schools.
00:26:49.000Now, that doesn't mean we can't do more.
00:26:51.000And one of the things is to arm more teachers.
00:26:54.000We have 20 states now that have teachers that can legally carry guns at schools.
00:27:01.000You have some states where all the schools have teachers that carry guns, places like New Hampshire or Utah.
00:27:10.000And you have other states like Texas, where you have over 300 school districts where teachers were carrying guns as the end of last year, where it's up to the individual school district or superintendent to decide whether or not the teachers are going to be able to go and carry.
00:27:29.000Well, the myth is that Trump wants to arm teachers.
00:27:33.000He never said just have a big bucket of guns in the front of the school where teachers could come.
00:27:37.000He said, if you are allowed to have a gun, if you have a permit, then you should be able to use that permit on school grounds.
00:27:56.000But no, I know, but it's a nice straw man to make it sound like you're going to do that.
00:28:01.000Look, I think there's a huge benefit even from having a few teachers being able to go and carry at school.
00:28:06.000So rather than a sign in front of the school that says the school is a gun-free zone, you have a sign that says, you know, some teachers at the school are armed and will use their guns to protect the students and themselves if necessary.
00:28:22.000The odds are not in your favor if you come here.
00:28:24.000And as you said on this show a million times, the number one reason for mass shootings is I'm suicidal.
00:28:32.000I'd make the most impact at a place without guns.
00:28:35.000The other symptoms like white supremacy or Christianity or Islam are not that big of a factor.
00:28:43.000I mean, we've looked at the political motives for these killers, and, you know, very few of them have any type of political motivation one way or the other.
00:28:53.000As you say, you have people who want to go and commit suicide, and they want to commit suicide in a way where they can go and say, see, we were here, that people will notice that they were here.
00:29:04.000And the more people they kill, they know the more media attention they can get.
00:29:08.000And these guys may be crazy, but they're not stupid.
00:29:12.000They know if they go to a place, as you say, where victims aren't able to defend themselves and it takes some time for somebody to arrive on the scene to be able to go and defend those people, they're going to be able to kill more people and, in their mind, get more media attention than they could have otherwise gotten.
00:30:09.000No, I mean, he makes it look like somehow these military-style rifles, these AR-15s, are, you know, somehow have some magical property that their bullets go much faster and do much more damage than any other rifle.
00:30:29.000In fact, the cartridge for the 223 that the AR-15 uses is a fairly small rifle cartridge.
00:30:42.000In fact, a lot of states won't even allow you to hunt deer with it because of the concern that it's more likely to wound rather than kill the deer.
00:30:52.000So you have to use higher caliber rifles to go and hunt deer in those states.
00:31:15.000I mean, the key word is style when they say military style weapons.
00:31:20.000As you say exactly, on the outside, it looks like an M16.
00:31:25.000M16s have burst or automatic mode capabilities where they can essentially fire like a machine gun.
00:31:35.000And, you know, but there's reasons why the military weapons are designed the way they are.
00:31:44.000One of the reasons is, you know, lighter ammunition, people can go and carry more ammunition with them.
00:31:51.000But one of the other reasons is that they're more likely to wound rather than kill your opponent.
00:31:59.000And the benefit for a soldier of killing rather than wounding your opponent is it pins down the other troops that are there because they have to go and take care of the wounded opponent there.
00:32:13.000So if they really want to go and kill people, they would use a higher caliber rifle than they're using.
00:32:21.000You know, the propaganda that goes on now is so clearly partisan that that 60 minutes, which I assume, I don't know, a million, a couple million people watching.
00:34:09.000No, I mean, there was an assault weapons ban that was in effect from 1994 through 2004.
00:34:16.000You know, in fact, there have been lots of academic studies that have looked at that.
00:34:22.000Even the Clinton administration paid for research on that.
00:34:26.000And even the research that they found, they paid for, couldn't find an impact on mass public shootings or other types of crimes as a result of the ban that was in effect.
00:34:38.000So about two-thirds of mass public shootings are handguns.
00:34:45.000So the notion that somehow, if they want to go and ban all guns, we can talk about that.
00:34:52.000But one of the things that doesn't get mentioned when we talk about gun bans is the fact that there have been a number of places around the world that have banned either all guns or all handguns.
00:35:06.000And every single time that one of those bans has been implemented, murder rates have gone up.
00:35:26.000One, I was talking about murder rates generally, but the total number of people killed.
00:35:33.000And what you found in Australia is that, first of all, they didn't ban guns.
00:35:38.000They bought back about a third, less than a third of the legally owned guns.
00:35:44.000But people could go and buy guns again after that.
00:35:46.000And by 2010, the gun ownership rate in Australia, the percentage of the population with guns, was actually higher than it was before the buyback.
00:36:09.000But also, that's mathematical illiteracy because they're saying that there was one attack and then another attack in 15 years and another attack.
00:36:17.000And now in the past 10 years, there hasn't been.
00:36:19.000We're talking about like four or five attacks.
00:36:21.000They keep doing this with this statistics.
00:36:25.000They'll take these very sporadic attacks and pretend there's a pattern to be formed.
00:36:30.000So the other thing, the main things that they've focused on in Australia has been the claim that it's reduced gun murders, homicides, as well as firearm suicides.
00:36:42.000The thing is, both of those were falling for about 15 years prior to the buyback.
00:36:50.000They continue to fall after, but at a slower rate.
00:36:53.000So, you know, you can think of it this way.
00:36:54.000Let's say I'd had firearm homicides falling in a perfectly straight line, and then I had the buyback someplace in the middle.
00:37:05.000It continued falling exactly the same rate.
00:37:07.000I suppose most people would look at it and they'd say, well, you know, the after average is below the before average, but when I look at the perfectly straight line there, I'd say, it's pretty hard to see that the law had any impact.
00:37:20.000Everybody in these discussions are just comparing the before and after average.
00:37:24.000In fact, though, what you found is that it started falling at a slower rate right after the buyback occurred.
00:37:33.000And, you know, what you should have seen if these arguments were right, we should have seen an immediate sharp drop.
00:37:40.000And then as gun ownership rates went back up, you should have seen those rates going back up.
00:37:45.000It doesn't follow the pattern at all that one would have thought if you had actually looked at the numbers there.
00:38:52.000They could have picked 1930, 1940, 1950, 1960, well before any regulations, and the after average Would have been below the before average.
00:39:02.000The reason why it slowed down is because companies continually have been putting in safety devices in their cars, you know, collapsible steering columns, shatterproof glass, other things.
00:39:18.000But when the federal government and seatbelts, when the federal government got involved, the federal government just doesn't say put in airbags.
00:39:26.000The federal government says you have to put in airbags and you have to make them in exactly this way and you have to go and install them in exactly this way.
00:39:35.000And so what happened was automobile companies in the past would have put in airbags, but now they have to wait for the federal government to tell them exactly how to do it because if, you know, it's very costly for them to do all the machining and the tools and everything else.
00:39:51.000And then when the federal government, you know, a couple years later would come back and say, this is exactly how we want you to do that, they'd have to rip up all their machinery and replace it.
00:40:54.000And my guess is that the entire gun control debate that we have right now would be dramatically different if only a couple things happened.
00:41:01.000If once in a while, the media would mention we've had another mass public shooting in places where guns were banned.
00:41:08.000And also on our website at crimeresearch.org, we have dozens of cases in recent years where people with concealed carry permits have stopped what police or sheriffs or prosecutors have said would have been mass public shootings.
00:41:33.000A lot of info with John, but it's crucial.
00:41:36.000And the reason I think that it's, I don't care how you feel about guns, the reason it's important to sit there and listen to John talk about 60 Minutes.
00:41:44.000Have you got some of those 60 Minutes clips?
00:41:46.000Is that it should make you question, well, wait a minute, what about the other stuff I'm hearing on the news?
00:44:50.000They weren't both designed in the 50s.
00:44:52.000In the 50s, they designed a cool gun for war, and then gun companies noticed when you mimic that shape, you end up like you might as well say water pistols that are like that were both designed in the 50s by the military.
00:45:06.000They're trying to mimic the cool military gun because it looks awesome.
00:45:11.000We designed one gun for the military, the other gun to blow holes in a church with super bullets.
00:48:38.000No, the company, we showed that in the last show, the company that censors conservatives is called ML Fairness.
00:48:44.000The Fairness Squad is responsible for shutting down free speech at Google.
00:48:50.000Now, I know the Hitler thing, where they dub him losing his temper, has been done to death.
00:48:56.000But it's been done so to death that it's like the stones in satisfaction.
00:49:01.000And if some chick, like Alanis Morris said, is going to do an acoustic cover of it, it's now pleasant.
00:49:08.000So this is, I know you're bored of these, but give me some time here.
00:49:12.000This is the best Hitler overdub I've ever seen, and it involves what you just saw, that chick spilling the beans, that she did the that it was her fault.
00:49:24.000I mean, sorry that she sent me a switch question.
00:52:17.000And the thing I liked about it, too, is: am I the only one when I was seeing that woman with the beer bottles behind her blabber all of Google's secret?
00:52:25.000You were thinking, ladies and their liquor, ladies and their power.
00:52:31.000Is it a coincidence that the second that Vice Shane Smith, my old buddy, my childhood friend, stepped down and replaced his position with a broad, they started going, layoffs, layoffs, layoffs.