JustPearlyThings - Is The Answer To This Failed Society Christian Polygamy？

00:00:00.000 Thank you.

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00:01:00.000 Thank you.

00:01:30.000 And half of the people in this debate are actually pushing a Christian form of polygamy.

00:01:36.920 And this was hosted on my friend Glenn Lawrence's channel with also Andrew Wilson on the debate.

00:01:42.060 So let's get started.

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00:02:00.580 Not only in the practice of polygyny itself, but in the greater framework of biblical patriarchy, the God-ordained structure of relationship that safeguards marriages, families, and ultimately society.

00:02:11.420 The biblical patriarchy founded on male headship, provisions, and protections stand as a single most important aspect of safe and flourishing marriages in the West.

00:02:20.960 It provides the structure within which celibacy, monogamy, and polygyny can coexist as divinely ordained practices reinforcing stability, moral responsibility, and justice.

00:02:32.740 In this debate, I will take the position, or Robin, I will take the position that polygyny is morally acceptable according to the Bible and does not constitute sin.

00:02:41.740 Far from being contradictory to biblical values, it complements and reinforces the principles of biblical patriarchy alongside celibacy and monogamy.

00:02:52.540 Together, these practices create a flexible and enduring system capable of addressing the crisis of marriage and families in the West.

00:03:01.240 At its heart, biblical patriarchy calls men to lead their families as Christ leads the ecclesia, or congregation, according to Ephesians 5, with fractificial love, unwavering commitment, and moral responsibility.

00:03:16.760 It assigns complementary roles to men and women, ensuring that the family structure is built on mutual respect and care.

00:03:22.700 In a time when Western marriage is fractured by instability, gender confusion, and economic pressure, biblical patriarchy restores order and purpose.

00:03:33.460 Celibacy provides an opportunity for men to focus entirely on spiritual leadership, community service, and advancing the kingdom of God, as exemplified by Apostle Paul.

00:03:42.560 Now, I want to say, when I first thought about polygamy, right, obviously coming from the West, it's very taboo.

00:03:50.980 It's very taboo. Nobody really, it's kind of weird, right?

00:03:55.020 And it's really thought of as a Muslim thing.

00:03:58.220 But the more I've lived life, I've realized that we're already in polygamy.

00:04:02.380 Most people don't know it yet.

00:04:03.940 If you take the rate that people cheat within married relationships, you know, up to 50% some day, some say, as little as 25%, that's partially polygamy.

00:04:16.900 If the woman's married to one guy, cheating with the personal trainer.

00:04:20.980 On top of that, you know, monogamy used to be one person for life.

00:04:25.340 So if you have a first wife and a second wife, okay, I guess maybe it's a little different because the guy's not dating them or married to them at the same time.

00:04:34.720 But the way they would see it in the East is that we do essentially the same thing.

00:04:42.460 We just kind of do it at different periods in our life.

00:04:46.720 Patriarchal principles that true leadership flows from submission to God.

00:04:50.400 Monogamy allows men to exercise focuses, leadership, and care for a single family, deepening the intimacy and trust.

00:04:58.600 It mirrors Christ's covenantal love for his ecclesia, as stated in Ephesians earlier.

00:05:04.800 Religion, on its turn, magnifies male responsibility by requiring greater leadership, provisions, and fairness.

00:05:12.360 It underscores the patriarch's role as a just and sacrificial leader and seen in Deuteronomy 21, regulated by Exodus 21,

00:05:21.160 accidentally established by Deuteronomy 25, and understood in terms of Leviticus 20, read together with Deuteronomy 22.

00:05:28.480 Now, biblical patriarchal not only reinforces these practices, but also ensures that they work together to benefit men, women, children, and society at large.

00:05:38.740 Now, if we look at the Bible, it's clear that polygyny is not sinful.

00:05:45.960 Instead, it is presented as a permissible marital arrangement within God's covenantal framework.

00:05:50.960 I know, his mic is really bad.

00:05:53.680 Throughout the Old Testament, we see this patriarchs, such as Abraham, Jacob, David.

00:05:58.480 And in the New Testament, it may be argued that monogamy is elevated as an ideal, particularly in the leadership context, but polygyny is never condemned.

00:06:08.080 In fact, Paul is clear that celibacy is an ideal.

00:06:11.980 Jesus Christ teaches on marriage in Matthew 20, 19, that emphasizes the sanctity of marriage and condemns setting aside, but does not address polygyny.

00:06:21.320 Paul instructs in 1 Timothy 3, 2, that church leaders should be husband of one wife.

00:06:26.320 Could be argued as qualification for leadership, but not a universal prohibition of polygyny.

00:06:32.680 Although this position is highly contentious amongst Greek scholars, however, the silence of the New Testament on condemning polygyny suggests that there are no condemnation of polygyny suggests that it remains a moral neutral under the covenant.

00:06:46.400 Now, critics often reject polygyny based on cultural norms rather than biblical evidence.

00:06:52.320 So I was thinking of this as a thought experiment.

00:06:54.800 What's worse?

00:06:56.160 One man with two wives or a man that has an ex-girlfriend he dated for three years, broke up with, then marries the new wife.

00:07:06.840 And I was thinking about this as a thought experiment.

00:07:09.980 Okay.

00:07:10.540 I'm not, by the way, this is not me cosigning it or pushing it.

00:07:16.580 I was just thinking about it in the second way, the woman, if, if they had a child or even just in general is taken care of for life where, you know, in the first one, you're kind of shit out of luck.

00:07:32.060 I'm not saying that the ladies deserve lifelong being taken care of, but I was thinking about it as a thought experiment.

00:07:39.540 And anyways, I'm going to continue.

00:07:43.740 And on closure, Celebesi has said,

00:08:13.740 Ideal celibacy is the ideal reinforcement for foundation of biblical patriarchy.

00:08:18.820 Monogamy serves as a powerful expression of biblical patriarchy by mirroring the covenantal love between Christ and Ecclesia.

00:08:25.300 Belligiety, while not commanded, but may be incidentally established as a biblical permissible practice that magnifies male responsibility and care.

00:08:35.380 And closure as Western society faces a crisis in marriage.

00:08:38.900 Biblical patriarchy provides the solution.

00:08:42.180 It elevates celibacy as the highest ideal.

00:08:45.060 Monogamy as a common standard.

00:08:46.960 And belligyny as a permissible and practical alternative.

00:08:50.580 Together, these practices reinforces the principles of leadership, provision, and justice that protects families and builds strong communities according to the provisions of the scripture.

00:08:59.900 Belligyny, when practiced within the framework of biblical patriarchy, is not only morally acceptable, but also reflects God's wisdom in accommodating diverse needs across cultures.

00:09:10.440 When you think about it, this argument, this whole debate is, what do we do with all of these women?

00:09:15.580 You know, they say, okay, maybe we could go back to forcing them to get married.

00:09:22.140 Arranged.

00:09:23.580 You're forced.

00:09:24.640 Yep, no choice.

00:09:25.600 You want your family's inheritance?

00:09:28.580 Arranged.

00:09:29.400 But then the men get together and they say, well, what if she doesn't like?

00:09:33.340 Do we really want to force them to sleep with someone they don't like?

00:09:37.680 And if they don't want to do it, should we really impose that on them?

00:09:41.480 So they can't, all right, scrap that.

00:09:42.920 But when we let them do whatever they want, they keep sleeping with the same guys.

00:09:47.320 Maybe we just legalize that.

00:09:49.060 I mean, what?

00:09:51.160 I mean, these are what society's wrestling with.

00:09:54.360 Do we force?

00:09:56.780 Or do we let the ladies choose whoever they want and we all date the same men?

00:10:08.060 I'm not saying one's better or worse, right?

00:10:10.720 My opinion changes nothing.

00:10:12.220 The Muslims are going to do their thing.

00:10:14.140 We're in soft.

00:10:15.200 We're basically in soft polygamy now.

00:10:17.420 Under 30 women, you know, date all the same guys.

00:10:20.840 Then over 30.

00:10:22.100 And that age is rising.

00:10:23.280 You know, in Ireland, it's around 35 years old.

00:10:25.600 Women get married.

00:10:26.620 So it's going to keep going up.

00:10:28.280 So like the ladies are the ones that want the polygamy more than the men.

00:10:33.060 And that's the interesting thing.

00:10:34.740 Polygamy is seen as something that the men want.

00:10:37.160 No, no, no, no, no.

00:10:38.300 If tomorrow they said, ladies, we're going to make being a side chick a crime and cheating

00:10:44.100 a crime, right?

00:10:45.120 We're going to make it illegal tomorrow.

00:10:47.620 You will be stoned to death if you cheat on your wife.

00:10:50.200 And you will also be stoned to death if you cheat with a married man.

00:10:54.140 Do you know who would protest first?

00:10:56.500 The ladies.

00:10:57.940 I mean, we love the show Scandal, right?

00:11:00.140 And the show Scandal is what?

00:11:02.480 About the president's side chick.

00:11:04.820 Why do women love Monica Lewinsky?

00:11:08.940 I don't make the rules, right?

00:11:11.580 But I can describe what's going on here.

00:11:14.700 Time and time.

00:11:16.120 By grounding an understanding of marriage in scripture rather than cultural assumption.

00:11:20.860 Okay, I'm sorry.

00:11:21.560 This guy's mic is so bad.

00:11:22.940 I'm going to skip over this a little bit.

00:11:24.780 Sanctity of marriage.

00:11:26.000 Protect the vulnerable and create society that protects God's perfect society.

00:11:29.440 The next guy's going.

00:11:31.420 Okay, never mind.

00:11:32.280 The next guy's about to go.

00:11:33.820 Thank you.

00:11:38.660 All right, Andrew.

00:11:41.360 Okay, so.

00:11:42.380 You want to start with your opening Senate?

00:11:43.380 Yeah, this argument is blown out in two seconds.

00:11:46.320 The easiest way to do it is just to point out that under this framework that he just outlined,

00:11:52.260 you could marry your first cousin.

00:11:54.060 So, and I doubt that he would advocate that.

00:11:56.860 There's nothing biblically that would say that you couldn't.

00:11:59.040 There's nothing biblically that said.

00:12:03.300 Now, this whole debate, because I did see a bit of it earlier, Andrew is trying to equate

00:12:09.720 polygamy to marrying your first cousin.

00:12:15.260 Now, Andrew is a very good debater.

00:12:17.660 I really think he could argue any point, but I'm just trying to think through some of these

00:12:22.940 things.

00:12:23.240 Do I think that marrying your cousin is the same thing as polygamy?

00:12:28.500 Well, I guess I have seen some of those countries.

00:12:34.920 I know in India, they definitely marry their cousins there, but I don't, I don't know if

00:12:39.340 India is polygamy.

00:12:40.500 I'd have to look.

00:12:41.220 I don't think they are.

00:12:42.140 But that's the only country I know that they really marry their cousins like that.

00:12:48.720 I'm sure there's more.

00:12:50.060 You could let me know in the comments.

00:12:51.700 Um, I just know I used to get my nails done by this woman in, um, when I was in London

00:13:00.420 and casually this lady's doing my nails and I was asking her about her life and whatever.

00:13:06.260 And she just casually tells me she married her cousin.

00:13:10.080 And I'm thinking like, are your kids all right?

00:13:12.540 Do they, I guess they were fine.

00:13:14.840 I don't know.

00:13:15.360 It was normal there.

00:13:16.120 I mean, it happened in fact, right?

00:13:19.700 But you would.

00:13:20.280 Oh, sorry.

00:13:20.760 But I wanted to say, I don't, I think he's trying to equate them to be the same thing

00:13:26.480 or I don't know why he keeps bringing this up to me.

00:13:29.640 This just isn't that relevant.

00:13:32.220 Advocate for that.

00:13:33.300 And anyway, the debate's not about that anyway.

00:13:36.120 I'd like to take a second to point out that the debate isn't over if polygyny is against

00:13:40.480 Christian ethics or not, though I'm sure at some point we'll touch on that.

00:13:43.680 Uh, for the sake of the argument of the debate, uh, of can it save the West is what I'm arguing

00:13:50.240 against.

00:13:51.140 The answer is clearly and most certainly no.

00:13:54.700 Let us start with the demonstration.

00:13:56.120 Pull up my screen, please.

00:13:57.540 Because when I hear, can it save the West?

00:14:00.260 My first question is what, what does save the West look like?

00:14:05.500 I mean, right now, I don't know, guys.

00:14:09.340 The power's on.

00:14:11.120 I have my dishwasher, my Roomba, like what is saving the West?

00:14:17.800 Is it getting families back together?

00:14:21.020 Maybe that's what they mean.

00:14:23.520 Well.

00:14:29.760 Yeah, I don't think it would do much.

00:14:31.420 We just love leaving relationships too much.

00:14:33.940 I don't know.

00:14:34.860 We'll see that I have a share screen ready.

00:14:36.300 Oh, look at that.

00:14:41.720 Ooh, that's a polygamy map.

00:14:43.200 Pull that back up, please.

00:14:45.580 Uh, so here on our nice polygamy map, uh, these are the countries where polygamy is allowed

00:14:51.380 and some not.

00:14:52.400 Now, I don't think this matters where it's allowed, where it's not allowed, because again,

00:14:58.460 we're in soft polygamy in the United, whether you like it or not, the dating app data is

00:15:04.020 clear.

00:15:04.720 It is so clear.

00:15:07.060 We are in soft polygamy.

00:15:10.080 People are sharing partners.

00:15:13.700 So I don't know if the laws really change anything.

00:15:18.000 You know, when marriage is seven years, you could say, okay, for that seven years, they

00:15:22.180 were monogamous.

00:15:22.980 But what about the rest of their life?

00:15:24.860 Do you just get a get out of jail free card because you did monogamy for a little, little

00:15:29.920 while, then went back to polygamy, then back to monogamy.

00:15:32.880 Is it really monogamy if you're in it for eight years?

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00:17:34.160 29% of it is polygynist.

00:17:36.840 It's polygynist.

00:17:38.740 I would like you to note that the red, where it's illegal, are the host countries with the

00:17:46.620 most immigrants from the countries in green, where it's legal.

00:17:50.560 The United Nations actually cites polygamy as a primary cause for the instability for various

00:17:54.540 reasons, which we can get into.

00:17:56.100 And the UN itself doesn't even recommend polygyny as a cultural attitude to be outsourced, which

00:18:00.900 is amazing because they basically do it for almost every other attitude.

00:18:05.160 There are multitudes of anthropological studies backing up this point.

00:18:08.520 So many, in fact, it was actually overwhelming.

00:18:11.080 Let's go over some of the quick bullet points.

00:18:13.800 Polygyny destabilizes societies.

00:18:16.980 According to these anthropological studies, here's how they do it.

00:18:19.980 Less civil liberties, highest rates of despotism, higher rates of warfare, higher rates of intergroup

00:18:23.960 violence, more government corruption, and less political security, national security.

00:18:29.400 These associations remain across all countries with polygyny, regardless of religion, culture,

00:18:35.800 or ethnicity, meaning that just because you're a Christian polygynist, it doesn't seem to help

00:18:39.980 this whatsoever.

00:18:41.420 This is because it creates a standing pool of aggrieved young men with no prospects whatsoever

00:18:45.560 for reproductive access.

00:18:47.080 These are usually poor young men.

00:18:49.200 Okay.

00:18:49.440 So he's talking about the challenge that does come with polygamy that we're seeing now.

00:18:54.180 Okay.

00:18:54.420 Let me, I decided I was going to use the whiteboard, but I decided to make a chart slideshow.

00:19:02.500 Let's show this chart.

00:19:03.900 So this is the dating pool right now.

00:19:06.660 Now, all I did was Google hot people, average people, ugly people.

00:19:12.200 Okay.

00:19:12.500 So we got the hot woman here.

00:19:14.480 Now, if we go back to monogamy, it would be the hot woman with the hot guy.

00:19:19.440 It would make sense.

00:19:20.520 You know, this guy would be with the average girl and the ugly guy would take the old woman,

00:19:26.380 the whore or whatever.

00:19:29.500 I feel like this guy wouldn't be so bad if he just cleared the acne, got to stay, whatever.

00:19:33.680 Who cares?

00:19:35.340 Now, what we have now is all three of these ladies are going towards the hot guy.

00:19:43.080 You know, before the guy in the middle might've been the hottest guy in the town.

00:19:48.900 This woman here, well, it would have been illegal for them to be together, but you know, for the sake of it, this woman over here, she wouldn't know this guy existed.

00:20:00.220 She doesn't even know what she's missing.

00:20:01.500 So this guy asks her to marry her and she doesn't think about the DM she got from Chad over here.

00:20:09.800 She doesn't think about that.

00:20:11.340 She doesn't think, oh, well, what if that's a better option?

00:20:13.660 Now, let's, let's reverse it, right?

00:20:15.500 Let's say all of these men were being hit on by women like this.

00:20:20.240 When this woman, it's not like that, but let's switch the roles, right?

00:20:25.100 Let's say all these guys had girlfriends that were this hot or women interested in them that were this hot.

00:20:31.200 I mean, when this average woman over here would come up to them and say, hey, marry me, have kids with me.

00:20:40.500 They would say, well, I have a better option.

00:20:44.040 Now, obviously the roles are reversed, right?

00:20:48.440 So now the question is what to do, what do we do with these two ladies, right?

00:20:52.360 We got the old woman over here.

00:20:53.980 Do we mandate and say, you, average woman, go with that average man?

00:20:58.680 And she says, no, ugh, ugh, but he, he gives me the ick.

00:21:05.360 Well, why does he give you the ick?

00:21:06.700 Well, he reasons the ick is real.

00:21:10.180 Do we say you have to, you know, and there's just part of me.

00:21:14.460 I know there's a whole Western culture through God's eyes.

00:21:18.760 Great channel, love them.

00:21:19.920 They, they think that we should just force arranged marriage or no deal.

00:21:24.920 But something about me, I just, I mean, I just, for me personally, I don't know if I'd want to be with someone that doesn't want to be with me.

00:21:36.040 And the other challenge is, you know, it's not like social media is going anywhere.

00:21:40.740 So she's still going to be seeing Chad and feeling like this guy isn't enough.

00:21:46.200 Now, the reason I say this, that we don't force the arranged marriage, is because this guy is going to have such a miserable life being with this woman that doesn't want to be with him.

00:21:56.600 I mean, he, it's better he's by himself.

00:22:00.080 That's why, you know, the MGTOW guys, they make perfect sense.

00:22:03.060 They say this is a headache, right?

00:22:04.720 This is drama, a headache.

00:22:06.660 And then my second question, the reason I think polygamy is actually nicer to women.

00:22:10.860 Let's say we legalize Chad to have three wives and heck, maybe he gets a second one.

00:22:16.820 Maybe this guy gets three, second guy gets two.

00:22:19.260 I mean, honestly, whoever takes this old lady over here, they're kind of doing her a favor, right?

00:22:26.720 I mean, the bottom ladies on the totem pole, the kids, remember half of the women are going to be single and childless.

00:22:32.800 We don't know what to do, especially the 50, 60, 70 year old women.

00:22:36.940 What do we do with the, like, what if we start all living to 90, 100 years old?

00:22:41.540 Like, there's going to be so many of these ladies going around that, you know, when they were this age, they said, ugh, ugly, ugh, ugly.

00:22:51.820 And now they're old and these guys are like, ugh, we don't want you, you know?

00:22:58.380 I mean, if you look at, take Donald Trump and his ex-wives, you know, the last, the first one before she passed away, I mean,

00:23:06.000 she wasn't that good looking, really, any woman, man that took her was really doing her more of a favor than him.

00:23:16.980 So, these are the questions, what to do with these ladies?

00:23:21.140 Do we force them?

00:23:22.220 Do we, at 18, 20, say, you must go with that guy, regardless of how much they don't want to?

00:23:28.640 Or, do we just keep letting the sexes go apart until the ladies start to feel the consequences of our decisions, right?

00:23:38.980 So, you know, let's say we take the sexes and just say, okay, ladies, you want to be by yourself?

00:23:45.320 Go.

00:23:45.840 Be alone.

00:23:47.260 Well, the challenge is, so, when the woman looks like this, she's given all these free jobs, free attention, whatever.

00:23:53.480 But now she looks like this, and she realizes she has to work for 40 more years.

00:24:01.220 Now, do you think Brad over here is going to take this woman to be a housewife?

00:24:07.000 She says, no, no, no, no, I'm ready, I'm ready to be a housewife.

00:24:10.200 He'll say, yeah, good luck.

00:24:14.480 Now, hypothetically, you could do polygamy.

00:24:19.120 Yeah, I'm going to keep going with the debate.

00:24:20.640 We're going to come back.

00:24:21.440 We're going to come back.

00:24:23.480 About half the boys in polygamous cultures need to be ejected from their community once they reach puberty to sustain this imbalance.

00:24:34.040 And these are called lost boys.

00:24:35.860 Major problem with political instability in these countries.

00:24:39.980 If most families can't get by, by the way, on one income with only one wife and 1.6 kids, how many men can afford multiple wives and many children?

00:24:49.700 Well, the answer is almost none.

00:24:51.160 Yeah, okay, so then he makes the argument that the men can't afford the wives, and I actually thought this was a moot point, and I'll tell you why.

00:25:00.340 I'm going back to my polygamy slide.

00:25:02.180 Now, a lot of people will say, how will the men afford all of these wives?

00:25:09.160 Well, remember, we're in 2024.

00:25:11.600 Men have a soft, soft man era now.

00:25:17.100 The men can actually, you know, they said, you know, the men got together and they said, ladies, they said to this hot woman over here, be a mother.

00:25:26.580 Go, go have my children.

00:25:28.040 And she said, nah, nah, I'd rather not.

00:25:32.720 I want to go do other things.

00:25:35.120 And so, you know, they don't really want to put a gun to the young women's head and make them.

00:25:41.340 They don't want to do it.

00:25:42.280 But this lady over here can go make $40,000 a year and have one kid, throw that kid in public school.

00:25:53.220 She could still hold a job.

00:25:55.740 Woman number two over here, he could get her pregnant, right?

00:26:00.120 That's wife number two.

00:26:02.300 I mean, again, most kids are in public school.

00:26:04.560 Throw them.

00:26:04.920 I'm not saying they should be, but I'm saying it's 2024.

00:26:07.780 I'm trying to work with what we got here.

00:26:10.220 So, you know, now this woman here has a kid.

00:26:15.180 She brings in $40,000 a year.

00:26:21.640 That's 80K.

00:26:22.860 Now, let's say Chad over here makes 50, right?

00:26:25.820 I think average guys make 50.

00:26:28.600 Now, now we're working with, now I understand.

00:26:31.260 And maybe wife number three, she's too old.

00:26:34.960 She's infertile.

00:26:36.200 I mean, let's make her a little hotter than this.

00:26:38.120 Let's pretend she's a little, like she's 40 and, you know, goes to, she looks like a J-Lo.

00:26:45.000 That's too attractive.

00:26:46.620 Uglier version of J-Lo at 40, right?

00:26:49.500 But she can't have kids anymore.

00:26:51.920 But she could still contribute.

00:26:53.520 You know, we have these ladies, they can't have kids anymore.

00:26:56.820 But they can bring in 40K, give it to the guy, or contribute to rent, right?

00:27:06.780 I don't know if the money argument is going to stand because there's too many jobs available to the ladies.

00:27:14.120 You could be a housewife with a stay-at-home job.

00:27:17.580 I mean, we're finding out that the government employees, the last, you know, decade, haven't been going to work or really working.

00:27:26.980 I mean, everyone kind of knew that, right?

00:27:28.520 So, I mean, he could send Shirley over here to go make $40,000 a year for the government and work from home and do nothing.

00:27:39.000 I mean, there's all these jobs that are given to us for practically doing nothing.

00:27:43.520 Wouldn't it kind of make sense for the woman to go get the easy money rather than, you know, making Brad?

00:27:52.600 Or maybe this guy in the middle, he hits $45,000.

00:27:57.120 And these ladies said no to him, you know, at $25,000.

00:28:00.100 But now he's $45,000.

00:28:01.780 He got a cool dirt bike, a motorcycle.

00:28:04.680 You know, we love the motorcycles.

00:28:06.920 Or maybe he got, I don't know, maybe he got a dog.

00:28:09.760 He got something that just brought the ladies back in.

00:28:12.200 Got a little, you know, silver fought, whatever.

00:28:16.020 So now the ladies are back.

00:28:17.520 They said, Brad, please, or chat.

00:28:19.580 We know this is Brad.

00:28:20.660 Brad, please take us, right?

00:28:23.260 So, and maybe Brad doesn't want kids.

00:28:28.480 He says, you know, I've seen one too many of my friends get absolutely ruined over having children.

00:28:33.360 No kids.

00:28:34.240 But I do want some company, ladies.

00:28:36.700 I mean, I don't, I don't see, you know, everyone says we got to go back to traditionalism.

00:28:43.280 Do the ladies, do we really deserve traditionalism?

00:28:46.740 I mean, what's in it for the men now?

00:28:48.740 They get 1.5 kids.

00:28:51.860 Maybe if you get like six or seven, you get one.

00:28:54.840 I mean, daycare is state funded in some states.

00:29:02.360 I'm not saying that's best for the kids, right?

00:29:04.800 But I'm just trying to be pragmatic here.

00:29:08.100 Okay, I'm going to keep going.

00:29:09.960 So I don't know.

00:29:10.720 The money argument to me, there's too many women that don't want to have kids where they could be a second, third wife, hypothetically, and just not have children.

00:29:21.080 I mean, that's kind of what we're doing in the soft polygamy era anyway.

00:29:25.180 Children from polygamous families report higher rates of aggression, behavioral problems likely to be less competitive, confusion with parental roles.

00:29:34.140 Wives end up with more mental health problems for unequal treatment.

00:29:37.320 Now, he's saying the wives are going to end up with mental health problems.

00:29:41.300 Well, I mean, one in four women are on SSRIs in the United States.

00:29:47.300 We have mental health problems anyway.

00:29:49.680 I don't know if that's polygamy.

00:29:52.820 I mean, I don't know if we can attribute that to polygamy in itself.

00:29:58.280 Social media, maybe.

00:30:00.420 But, you know, when one in four of the ladies have it, I just can't.

00:30:04.720 I can't say that that.

00:30:09.240 Yeah, I can't say that's going to be it.

00:30:11.620 Favoritism, unhealthy competition, lack of trust, lack of marital satisfaction.

00:30:17.520 Also, can I just.

00:30:19.680 Again, OK, so then I got to think through this, right?

00:30:22.500 I got to think through the marital satisfaction is bad for the polygamous places.

00:30:28.960 Well.

00:30:29.440 Well, we tried Christian monogamy and the only way, the way you see how people, the way you

00:30:38.900 see what people truly want is when you give them the freedom to do anything and look at

00:30:44.600 what decisions we made.

00:30:45.840 We have this idea that women were brainwashed by feminism.

00:30:48.940 I don't think anybody's brainwashed.

00:30:51.020 I think us ladies, we know exactly what we're picking.

00:30:54.820 And I think what we found out is, one, women are not as monogamous as we thought.

00:30:59.980 And they weren't as happy in their marriages as we thought.

00:31:04.100 Because when we got the freedom to do anything, they left.

00:31:07.940 I know that's not like a happy conclusion, but it's kind of like, OK, imagine you think

00:31:15.700 your wife is or your husband.

00:31:17.400 Let's flip it.

00:31:18.340 You think your husband is amazing and he's loyal forever.

00:31:21.220 But then he gets really rich and he starts banging hot 22-year-olds.

00:31:27.000 He probably always wanted to do that, but now he gets the choice.

00:31:30.720 It's the same thing with the ladies, you know.

00:31:33.600 Once we got the choice, we got the job, we got the birth control.

00:31:38.320 Too many of them picked it for me to think, ah, you know, that they were the marital satisfaction.

00:31:48.340 I mean, to be fair, I just think us as a gender, we're just not all, but we're just not really

00:31:54.180 satisfied with anything ever because we're the most privileged class of people in all

00:31:59.760 of history, probably, and we still complain.

00:32:02.820 So for, like, I wouldn't use marital satisfaction, what we say as a metric at all, because I just

00:32:09.960 think we're never satisfied.

00:32:11.900 And now that all these countries have the lowest GDP on planet Earth, sub-Sahara Africa,

00:32:17.520 Afghanistan, Polynesia, Papua New Guinea, I can tell you about a little island off the

00:32:21.520 coast of that if you'd like, and Southeast Asia, lowest GDP there is, highest polygyny

00:32:27.820 rate.

00:32:29.040 I could see that, you know, the guys, they think, do I need to be rich and make a bunch

00:32:34.180 of money for a wife and kids?

00:32:38.260 Eh, eh, I don't think that's going to happen for me, not anytime soon.

00:32:43.500 Why do it?

00:32:44.580 But then we go back to the question, do we force the ladies or give them free will?

00:32:49.140 Force, free will, force, free will.

00:32:51.680 Pick your poison.

00:32:53.000 It's called the polygamy belt, West and Central Africa, Middle East, Southeast Asia.

00:32:58.140 In Kenya, for instance, highly Christian, by the way, 43% of households with polyamorous

00:33:03.500 men are poor, compared to 27% of the monogamous household, much richer.

00:33:10.640 Well-established link between polygamy, poverty, warfare, underdeveloped nations, and warlords?

00:33:17.860 Overwhelming.

00:33:18.720 It's not even close.

00:33:20.180 There's no way you could ever make a case that polygyny or polygamy is going to save the

00:33:26.140 West.

00:33:26.560 It can't save the countries that it's in right this second.

00:33:30.240 But to address Mr. Kowalski's arguments for polygamy, they are surface level, and they're

00:33:35.600 totally ridiculous.

00:33:36.480 They don't actually even make sense.

00:33:38.180 He argues there aren't enough virtuous women to go around, while also arguing Protestant

00:33:41.440 churches have more women than men in them, which is true.

00:33:44.740 There are many easily pointed out issues here.

00:33:47.900 One, if more women than men are in Protestant churches, yet there are less virtuous women

00:33:52.100 than men, it would entail that Protestant churches aren't producing virtuous women.

00:33:56.320 But secular ethics is producing virtuous men.

00:34:00.240 That is really fucking stupid, by the way.

00:34:02.960 That is really stupid.

00:34:05.340 Two, if it were the case, as he argues polygamy is real, and virtuous women are polygamous, and

00:34:10.920 that's fine, as that's how they were designed, rather than a passion to overcome, then all

00:34:16.080 it would mean is that the already small pool of virtuous women would marry the same virtuous

00:34:21.860 man, creating an even smaller pool of virtuous women.

00:34:24.520 That already happens.

00:34:27.080 That's what I say.

00:34:27.800 We're already in polygamy, right?

00:34:30.160 Okay, so when I was in a Protestant church for like, I don't know, two, three years, I

00:34:37.160 went, I was kind of nosy.

00:34:39.380 I wanted to see what was going on.

00:34:40.940 You don't think that the guys in the, I mean, in the churches, it's like the guys in the

00:34:45.320 band, you know, the guys on the guitar, the ladies, you know, we love, we love the musical

00:34:51.560 instruments, or, you know, the one, you know, it was interesting, because I was in this church,

00:34:56.940 right?

00:34:57.520 And this church was probably 80 to 90% female.

00:35:00.700 They did like a dating thing in the church, where they were trying to set people up, whatever.

00:35:06.280 And even though it was 80 to 90% female, the women would get set up with a guy, and they

00:35:12.160 would still reject him.

00:35:15.080 They're like, we want a Christian man.

00:35:17.560 And then they would say, here you go.

00:35:19.260 And they're like, not that one.

00:35:20.500 And then the ladies would get together, and they would say, oh my gosh, there's one woman.

00:35:26.860 She was like a 30-year-old virgin.

00:35:28.940 I mean, a legend, who knows, right?

00:35:30.500 But she claimed.

00:35:32.280 And it was crazy, because she was really pretty, but they would say, what about this guy?

00:35:38.760 Is he good?

00:35:39.840 And then she would say, well, I just think I have, she would think that her faith was better

00:35:46.620 than his faith, and I would just keep thinking, what more does this guy get?

00:35:50.920 He's at church.

00:35:51.800 He volunteers.

00:35:53.260 He's in the band.

00:35:54.060 Like, he reads his Bible.

00:35:56.940 Like, what are you doing that makes you so, I mean, and then it would be like, well, he

00:36:04.280 tried to have sex with me.

00:36:06.380 And I'm like, yeah, well, he's a guy.

00:36:08.520 That's what they're going to do, you know?

00:36:11.900 I'm like, I mean, what, do you want him to be a saint?

00:36:14.500 You're old.

00:36:15.260 Like, you're not, you know?

00:36:18.140 And so I would still see the same thing, even when it was all women, pretty much.

00:36:23.680 So I'm going to read comments.

00:36:25.540 If you guys have comments, you go to theaudacitynetwork.com, and then I do read your comments.

00:36:30.120 So Andrew on the ball, as usual.

00:36:33.320 Alexander said she's reviewing this debate.

00:36:35.400 I saw the thumbnail for it yesterday.

00:36:38.240 Pearl, do you think if the collective of men learn to improve their looks, would they qualify

00:36:43.520 for women's standards, or do you think that women would narrow their standards even further?

00:36:50.100 I do think that men going to the gym is, because we already have money as women, you know,

00:36:58.660 we can either get it through sugar dating, through men just throwing their resources at women for being hot.

00:37:04.680 I mean, you guys see this.

00:37:07.080 Like, the ladies don't even have to put out anymore.

00:37:09.600 Men will just throw it at them.

00:37:11.340 We also get these jobs that pay a lot.

00:37:14.560 Like, I had a roommate in college.

00:37:16.560 She made, like, 60K a year right out of school.

00:37:20.780 Human resources.

00:37:22.300 You know, jobs like that.

00:37:23.340 So we have the security now.

00:37:25.580 We don't, the money aspect, you can't really, you know, pay for women like you used to.

00:37:32.380 You know, we used to say, ah, I need, I need money.

00:37:35.560 We're going to, we're going to marry that guy.

00:37:38.720 That's, that's off the table.

00:37:40.500 So I, I think that improves men's, you know, chances the best.

00:37:45.080 But unfortunately, we're just never happy, sadly enough.

00:37:49.020 Feminism means men can't be fathers.

00:37:51.100 The government needs to stop simping to women.

00:37:53.500 Then they need husbands.

00:37:55.680 For men.

00:37:57.100 Three, he argues that the skanks of society would basically be taken care of through polygamy.

00:38:02.000 In this case, polygyny.

00:38:03.540 Because, of course, men wouldn't mind marrying them if they already had a virtuous woman.

00:38:07.760 This also makes no sense if you think about it for one second.

00:38:10.400 Because if you had a virtuous woman, why the hell would you want to marry a skank to begin with?

00:38:14.640 Makes no sense.

00:38:16.060 I, I assume because she gives better head, I don't really understand why else you'd want to do it.

00:38:20.260 You know, I've seen men do crazy things because a woman is good.

00:38:28.500 I mean, you wonder how these women that have been through everybody still end up getting married at the end of it.

00:38:36.660 Could, could, could a man hypothetically marry a woman because she gives really good blowjobs?

00:38:42.580 Could I see that happening?

00:38:43.600 I gotta be honest, I really could.

00:38:47.140 I wouldn't, I wouldn't put it past them, you know what I mean?

00:38:49.840 Don't even understand the argument.

00:38:51.400 It's silly on its face.

00:38:52.780 It just seems like it's a movement towards the pleasure of the flesh.

00:38:55.740 It also has another problem as well, which is that it would basically be promoting promiscuity if it did work by adding an additional societal safeguard to promiscuous women, essentially assuring them a husband, as long as she acted as a fuck puppet for him.

00:39:08.100 Which isn't very different from how secular women already act outside of Christian ethics.

00:39:12.680 In fact, there's so many problems with the arguments that he made that I can barely scratch the surface.

00:39:18.900 But I think that this is good for right now and we can just move right into the debate.

00:39:23.880 I just want to let both of you guys know right now.

00:39:25.940 I went in depth into all of your positions and this debate is not going to go well for either of you.

00:39:33.200 Ready when you are.

00:39:34.400 Thank you.

00:39:35.360 Well, actually, I'd like to address a few things since he started off with me.

00:39:40.820 At this point, you guys, we're going to go ahead and let it go open and let you guys go back and forth.

00:39:45.980 All right.

00:39:46.160 Okay, so Andrew said that, you know, talking about marrying first cousins, maybe we saw that once or twice in the Old Testament.

00:39:56.500 You know, people say, well, you can murder people or no, that was something that Mike Winger said.

00:40:02.160 But we see this repeatedly practiced by our spiritual offspring over and over.

00:40:07.040 Never a word of condemnation.

00:40:08.800 Never a word of punishment.

00:40:10.400 Not one single time in thousands of years.

00:40:12.760 Now, people will say, oh, you know, the one flesh argument means monogamy.

00:40:16.460 Well, why didn't the Israelites believe that for thousands of years?

00:40:19.680 I'm not here to argue about the biblical basis for polygyny.

00:40:23.880 That's not the topic of the debate.

00:40:25.340 The topic of the debate is centered around whether or not it can save the West.

00:40:28.580 I'd like to dive in.

00:40:29.780 I really wish they clarified what does saving the West mean?

00:40:34.380 I think this is a pretty good time in history to be alive.

00:40:38.980 I don't know.

00:40:39.760 I saw the maybe would you guys rather be fighting in a war right now?

00:40:46.300 I don't know.

00:40:46.720 Maybe you guys would find it exciting.

00:40:48.580 Your arguments here.

00:40:49.640 You said it would destabilize societies.

00:40:51.320 Yeah.

00:40:51.700 Israel went from zero, from one man to overthrowing the greatest country in the world at time, Egypt, in 500 years.

00:40:59.600 So power of polygyny.

00:41:01.060 Oh, well, geez, this this nation, the power of Puritan Protestants overthrew the most powerful nation which had ever existed.

00:41:08.660 And we were not polygyny, sir.

00:41:10.160 Stop, sir.

00:41:10.780 Stop, stop.

00:41:11.320 I want you to answer to this.

00:41:12.360 How's that going for us now?

00:41:13.320 Stop, sir.

00:41:13.900 Stop, sir.

00:41:14.440 My turn.

00:41:15.260 If it were the case that, oh, you can overthrow the very powerful government through the power of polygyny.

00:41:22.080 OK, well, this is a non-polygynous, non-polygynous in the 13 colonies absolutely was a violation of Christian ethics.

00:41:29.100 They overthrew the most powerful military in the history of the world.

00:41:32.240 So that's not a good argument for your position.

00:41:34.420 What are you talking about?

00:41:34.920 Because I'm not following.

00:41:35.580 Who do they overthrow?

00:41:37.120 They overthrew England.

00:41:38.700 Who wasn't polygynous?

00:41:39.820 No, that's my whole point.

00:41:41.860 If the argument for you is this country got overthrown by the power of polygyny, my counterargument is, well, this country got overthrown and we weren't polygynous.

00:41:51.520 So clearly them just being polygynous has zero to do with the overthrow.

00:41:56.200 No, not necessarily zero.

00:41:58.400 Zero.

00:41:58.980 Zero.

00:41:59.280 They went from 70 people entering Egypt to 2.4 million people leaving Egypt in 430 years.

00:42:05.540 Monogamy can't duplicate.

00:42:06.800 They can't you can't multiply at that rate under monogamy.

00:42:10.420 Yes.

00:42:11.040 Yeah.

00:42:11.340 OK, wait.

00:42:12.660 Just the math.

00:42:14.240 The math alone tells us that every man had to have on the average of four wives.

00:42:18.860 So people will say, no, it was only for the rich men, certain kings.

00:42:21.980 Yeah.

00:42:22.200 Who cares, dude?

00:42:23.060 Who cares?

00:42:23.600 Can we get to how it's going to help the West?

00:42:25.700 Yeah.

00:42:25.940 We got one in three.

00:42:26.920 We got one in three children being raised in fatherless homes right now.

00:42:30.060 There are women that are going to be single.

00:42:32.780 See, they're asking the same question.

00:42:34.580 What do we do with these single moms?

00:42:36.380 There's so many.

00:42:37.660 They're like, I match with this hot woman on the dating apps.

00:42:40.740 Single mom.

00:42:42.100 Match with this hot woman on the dating apps.

00:42:45.020 Herpes.

00:42:46.000 Matched with this hot woman on the dating apps.

00:42:49.360 Bipolar.

00:42:50.340 They're like, what are we going to do with these ladies?

00:42:53.320 The year 2030 is somewhere around 50 percent.

00:42:56.260 Now you're saying that's better than being in a polygynous.

00:42:58.540 OK, can we start?

00:42:59.420 Can we start with the argument here?

00:43:00.960 Here's the argument that you make.

00:43:02.900 Here's the argument that you make.

00:43:04.300 Do you agree with me that the Protestant church is overwhelmingly female?

00:43:08.820 60 percent female to about 40 percent male.

00:43:11.260 More than 60 percent.

00:43:12.660 More than 60 percent.

00:43:13.860 But I'm just being as charitable as I can be.

00:43:15.460 60-40 split at least.

00:43:16.940 Yes, I do agree.

00:43:17.740 OK, do you also agree that in modernity, men are more virtuous than women?

00:43:22.340 When you say, I don't think women are looking necessarily for virtuous men.

00:43:25.560 That's not what I asked you.

00:43:26.600 I asked you if in modernity, men are more virtuous than women.

00:43:30.340 I don't know.

00:43:31.180 OK, are they at least as are they are they at least as virtuous as women?

00:43:36.200 When you say virtuous, are you talking about sexual care?

00:43:38.040 Hang on.

00:43:38.320 Are they at least as virtuous as women?

00:43:40.000 Are you talking about sexual care?

00:43:40.860 I'm talking about the virtues associated with Christian ethics, the fruits of the spirit,

00:43:45.360 the removal of the pursuant of the flesh.

00:43:48.860 They're just as virtuous as women are.

00:43:50.740 Yes, they're just I don't know.

00:43:52.240 I don't know the answer to that question.

00:43:53.620 Well, if they're just as virtuous as women are, then what you're actually saying there

00:43:56.940 is in a tellman is that secular ethics is creating virtuous men, not Christian ethics,

00:44:01.260 because if women outnumber men in the church and men somehow are still just as virtuous as

00:44:07.160 them, then that would mean that secular ethics itself is producing virtue, not Christianity.

00:44:12.540 I didn't follow what you said, but let me ask you this.

00:44:14.980 Oh, my God.

00:44:15.460 I need you to answer to this question before we can move to yours.

00:44:19.440 I'll let you ask yours, but I need an answer to this.

00:44:21.840 I didn't follow what you asked.

00:44:23.260 Okay.

00:44:24.320 Christianity produces virtue, yes or no?

00:44:27.300 Yes.

00:44:27.580 People who follow Christianity produce virtue.

00:44:29.440 Great.

00:44:29.900 Okay.

00:44:30.200 If women outnumber men in the Protestant church, there should be necessarily more virtuous women

00:44:37.480 than virtuous men then, right?

00:44:39.820 When you say virtuous, what I'm saying is sexual pure.

00:44:43.080 Okay.

00:44:43.300 Now, look, does that mean she's like an X-304?

00:44:45.880 You can't.

00:44:46.540 There's no way for you.

00:44:47.500 The X-304 is not virtuous.

00:44:50.180 There's no possible way then for you to say that women are more virtuous in modernity than

00:44:54.400 men when it comes to promiscuity because they're not.

00:44:56.240 Women don't care about men that are virgins.

00:44:58.280 They don't even care about how many sexual partners.

00:45:00.420 It's like saying, you know the saying that goes, a lock that can be opened by any key is

00:45:04.380 a worthless lock.

00:45:05.400 A key that can open any lock is a valuable key.

00:45:07.780 Is a master key, yeah.

00:45:08.800 Yes, exactly.

00:45:09.920 Yeah, it's an old saying.

00:45:11.020 Women don't care about women, about men.

00:45:12.420 Yeah, this doesn't answer to the question, sir.

00:45:14.600 And so how do you define virtuous?

00:45:17.140 I've already told you it's a following of Christian ethics, the embrace of the fruits

00:45:20.720 of the spirit, the rejection of the pursuits of the flesh.

00:45:23.100 Hang on.

00:45:23.560 Hang on, dude.

00:45:24.080 I'm trying to explain, answer your question.

00:45:26.020 That's how you would explain virtue.

00:45:27.540 Now there are actual virtues that we can point to.

00:45:30.020 Things like, for women, it would be things like chastity.

00:45:32.780 It would be things like loyalty.

00:45:34.100 These would be actual Christian virtues, right?

00:45:35.900 That would be associated with the feminine and not necessarily the masculine.

00:45:40.500 There's no possible way you can make an argument in modernity in the United States that women

00:45:44.480 are more virtuous than men.

00:45:45.840 It's not even possible if you're talking about those traits, right?

00:45:50.060 If you're talking about...

00:45:51.900 Chastity?

00:45:52.980 Yes.

00:45:53.800 Yeah, there's no possible way women are more virtuous than men.

00:45:56.800 Men aren't virtuous, especially when you consider chastity out of choice.

00:46:02.680 Yeah, but just follow along with me for a second, then we'll get to you.

00:46:05.320 They're forced into sexual...

00:46:06.640 Yeah, I get it.

00:46:07.500 I get it.

00:46:07.980 But the point is, is that women cannot, by this entailment, be more virtuous than men.

00:46:12.240 If that is the case, and there's 20% or, by your measure, 30% more women in Protestant

00:46:18.000 churches than men, why isn't the Protestant church producing virtuous women?

00:46:22.880 You think that men are choosing to stay abstinent.

00:46:25.400 They're not.

00:46:26.060 Are you allergic to answering questions?

00:46:28.340 It's like an allergy.

00:46:29.560 I just think the feminized church is driving men out of the church, in my humble opinion.

00:46:34.600 Why?

00:46:34.940 If there's 30% more women in the Protestant church than men, why aren't there more virtuous

00:46:43.560 women than men?

00:46:45.880 Because it's a complete collapse of their patriarchy.

00:46:49.200 Complete collapse.

00:46:50.220 So, the Protestant church has collapsed.

00:46:53.000 Oh, yes.

00:46:54.400 The Protestant church, the Greek Orthodox church, the Catholic church...

00:46:58.060 No, the Greek Orthodox church has a collapse.

00:47:00.000 The Greek Orthodox church has 55% to 45%.

00:47:03.620 It's the only church, the only church that...

00:47:06.680 There were men...

00:47:07.620 I gotta be honest, guys.

00:47:11.000 I don't think any church will completely circumvent this.

00:47:14.300 I just don't see it.

00:47:17.040 I mean, I really...

00:47:18.000 Everyone...

00:47:18.880 It's interesting, because everyone seems...

00:47:21.460 I've interviewed a lot of religious, like, very deeply religious people on the show, right?

00:47:26.360 So, I've interviewed really...

00:47:29.080 I can't remember his name, but there was one guy really deeply Catholic, right?

00:47:35.700 Then, I have had the Orthodox people on the show.

00:47:40.640 I've had devout Muslims on the show, and everyone seems to think that their religion is going to, like,

00:47:49.480 save things or circumvent things.

00:47:52.240 But I just look at the last hundred years, and I haven't seen any of the churches really win any battles

00:48:00.920 with the culture, and even in their church.

00:48:06.880 I see the feminization, generally, across the board.

00:48:11.560 And if I look at the young women of all of their churches,

00:48:15.960 I don't see much of a difference.

00:48:22.040 Not really, anyways.

00:48:23.840 If you look at their life choices, age of first marriage, number of kids.

00:48:27.740 And then, a lot of times, you get the phenomenon of, when they do marry young,

00:48:33.620 they're going to divorce at, like, first rounds, around, like, late 20s, early 30s,

00:48:38.420 for the women that got married in high school, or right after high school, right out of college.

00:48:45.700 I hope.

00:48:46.740 I would like that to be true.

00:48:48.440 I just don't see it circumventing or changing anything.

00:48:52.000 Outnumber the women!

00:48:53.540 You're the only one!

00:48:54.460 Well, I just want to...

00:48:56.120 Someone said, people need to go directly to God, okay?

00:48:59.740 I just don't see that happening, based on the trends that I'm seeing.

00:49:06.060 Consistent with your own...

00:49:07.460 Well, let me...

00:49:09.460 Let me say one thing.

00:49:12.080 I think we need to delineate two things about it.

00:49:14.500 Is polygyny morally just, or morally irreprehensible?

00:49:19.800 That's the first thing.

00:49:20.380 I'm going to assume, for the sake of the debate, that polygyny is acceptable under Christian ethics.

00:49:25.720 I want to know how it's going to save the West.

00:49:27.540 And as we dive into it, one, you're saying that Christianity in the West has already been destroyed.

00:49:33.300 So how are you going to have...

00:49:34.380 How are you going to have Christian anything, let alone polygyny,

00:49:38.320 if the Protestant church has been so decimated it can't even produce virtuous women,

00:49:43.520 how in the hell is just adding a sprinkle of polygyny with the...

00:49:46.660 Or a sprinkle of degeneracy with a sprinkle of Jesus going to help this?

00:49:50.700 This is my opening statement.

00:49:52.540 I didn't argue.

00:49:53.440 I said the patriarchy.

00:49:55.160 I said biblical patriarchy.

00:49:56.940 And I want to mention that I moved away from, I said, biblical patriarchy.

00:50:00.900 And biblical patriarchy because you have absolute patriarchy.

00:50:03.680 I mean, do you have limited patriarchy?

00:50:07.520 Andrew, I remember you had a debate on one of your channels.

00:50:10.800 And you said that if you travel home now and you tell your wife,

00:50:14.740 listen, in three hours we need to move, she would listen.

00:50:18.460 And she would go.

00:50:19.060 Because there's absolute patriarchy in your household.

00:50:22.340 Yeah.

00:50:22.560 If I was fucking her best friend, how would that be helpful?

00:50:24.940 Well, that's terrible for you to say that.

00:50:26.800 They just add once again.

00:50:27.640 What if I married her best friend and I was also humping her?

00:50:30.440 How would that...

00:50:30.680 Well, it would actually...

00:50:33.440 Let's think that who is the best friend?

00:50:36.620 Is the best friend a 40-year-old woman with no prospects?

00:50:40.600 It would probably be very helpful to her.

00:50:42.900 You know, she doesn't get STDs.

00:50:45.120 She's having sex with one man.

00:50:48.820 Maybe she gets protection, provisioning.

00:50:52.440 Like, I'm just thinking of the alternatives.

00:50:54.420 Let's say her best friend is single, middle-aged, or older woman.

00:51:00.580 Maybe a single mother.

00:51:02.620 I see much more benefit on the woman's side than the man's.

00:51:08.780 On her own, someone breaks into her house.

00:51:11.720 She's cooked.

00:51:12.780 Done.

00:51:14.440 Let's say she's in a lot of debt.

00:51:16.020 Maybe he could help her get her finances in order.

00:51:18.060 Again, when they're thinking of polygamy, they're thinking, oh, hot young wives.

00:51:27.060 No, no, no.

00:51:29.720 No, no, no.

00:51:30.660 The hot young ladies are for...

00:51:33.620 They're not going to be anybody's wife.

00:51:35.880 It's...

00:51:36.560 Maybe...

00:51:37.060 I hope you guys get lucky, but it's just not...

00:51:39.720 The trends don't indicate that.

00:51:41.320 I mean, Gen Z women rank men 7th on their priority list.

00:51:44.420 Um, and men go to 4th when women hit their 30s.

00:51:49.260 So, maybe by 40, you guys are 2nd or 1st, you know.

00:51:54.360 So, again, if it's an older woman, a single mother, I see way more benefit on the woman's

00:52:00.740 side than the man for being in a polygamous relationship.

00:52:04.320 Oh, that in some way be an assistant to my wife.

00:52:07.080 And here, to my leadership.

00:52:08.780 Aubrey, Aubrey, Aubrey, I'd like to chime in.

00:52:11.360 Rob, let them finish their exchange, and then I'll pass the mic over to you.

00:52:14.320 Yeah, how...

00:52:14.760 If I was married to my wife's best friend, I was also plowing her, how would that in

00:52:19.260 any way assist with the idea that, um, you know, if I told my wife within three hours

00:52:23.820 we needed to move, we needed to move, uh, if she was willing to do that, uh, how would

00:52:28.900 it be helpful in some way that I was also plowing some other chick on top of that?

00:52:32.180 It makes no sense.

00:52:33.880 Well, if you're moving, that's an extra set of hands.

00:52:37.660 I'm really just trying to think of this practically here.

00:52:40.480 What could you do?

00:52:41.400 So, let's say you're a guy and you go, you get a 40-year-old woman, let's say 35, you

00:52:46.900 get one kid out of her.

00:52:48.500 You have kids with two women, they're in the same house, they're probably both going to

00:52:53.100 be working, just statistically, that's an extra 40k for the household.

00:52:58.080 That's, you know, the woman hypothetically could go, I'll think of me personally, I have

00:53:05.240 volleyball, I like to play, you know, now you got another mom, you hand them the kids, you

00:53:10.640 can go play volleyball or go to the, the women can alternate.

00:53:14.280 I'm not saying you should do this.

00:53:16.200 It's a little bit weird, especially like coming from a, you know, a Christian nation-ish,

00:53:23.260 right?

00:53:23.740 You soft Christianity, I guess.

00:53:25.500 But I'm just thinking like, from a practical perspective, I could see how it would be helpful.

00:53:31.880 Well, let me tell you what, first of all, you need to state if it's, if you're going

00:53:35.020 to follow absolute patriarchy, or you're going to follow limited patriarchy.

00:53:38.960 And that's part of it.

00:53:39.980 If you're, if you're going to have, and this once again, there's a responsibility that's

00:53:43.220 raised upon every man when he engages in marriage.

00:53:46.560 And when he engages in marriage, he has to do it responsibly.

00:53:49.460 If he doesn't, if he goes and he sleeps around with a woman, he's fornitating.

00:53:53.720 That is a sin in itself.

00:53:54.840 Let me show you biblical patriarchy.

00:53:56.780 Woman, get down here and give me a cup of coffee.

00:53:58.640 There's some biblical patriarchy for you.

00:54:00.580 So back to this, when you talk about, when you talk about limited patriarchy, you don't

00:54:04.400 know what the hell you're talking about.

00:54:05.840 What does that even mean?

00:54:06.700 There's no differentiation here.

00:54:08.480 A patriarchal system simply means from the father.

00:54:11.800 The Orthodox church is a patriarchal system, comes from the father.

00:54:14.860 Your priests are father, your bishop is father.

00:54:17.420 Everything comes from the father.

00:54:18.900 There's nothing limited here whatsoever.

00:54:21.060 Why adding the addition of multiple women would make it more patriarchal?

00:54:24.840 The challenge is so many men listen to women and think about women before men that I just

00:54:33.740 still see that as being a challenge in the church.

00:54:37.000 No idea.

00:54:37.480 You would essentially have to admit then that Adam and Eve, because Eve was the only woman

00:54:42.480 who was available to Adam, that Adam was not a true patriarch.

00:54:46.160 How is that?

00:54:46.720 That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard.

00:54:48.520 Wouldn't Adam be a true patriarch, even though he only had one woman?

00:54:51.280 Maybe he wasn't.

00:54:53.420 Can we define biblical monogamy?

00:54:56.720 Because what's your body count, Andrew?

00:54:58.540 Is it more than one?

00:55:00.480 Yeah.

00:55:01.140 You're not monogamous.

00:55:02.720 Yeah.

00:55:03.400 I've said, I've said, sure, sure.

00:55:06.000 What I'm saying is you're trying to uphold something that you don't even.

00:55:09.500 I know what Rob's, I know Andrew is going to say, you can't attack me personally.

00:55:13.940 Because Andrew is coming at this from a, what is best for society point of view.

00:55:20.340 Rob is trying to get into the nitty gritty and he's trying to get practical here.

00:55:24.160 He's like saying, look, it didn't work for you.

00:55:27.560 It didn't work for me.

00:55:29.040 Nobody's really monogamous.

00:55:30.880 I bet that that's how this is going to go.

00:55:32.880 You haven't even kept.

00:55:34.320 Well, how are you making.

00:55:36.200 This is such a lazy argument from hypocrisy.

00:55:39.680 No, it's a two quo quay fallacy.

00:55:41.380 What you're making is a fallacious.

00:55:45.620 Let's say for a second that I was in complete violation of my own principles.

00:55:49.940 It wouldn't have any bearing on the arguments.

00:55:51.600 It's a two quo quay fallacy.

00:55:53.580 Stop.

00:55:54.080 Stop, bro.

00:55:54.560 Let me respond.

00:55:55.660 There's two of you.

00:55:56.400 There's one of me.

00:55:57.160 You got to give me the luxury of having some speaking time here.

00:55:59.500 So a Andrew, you talk the whole time.

00:56:04.880 He keeps telling people to stop talking over him and he stopped like most of the time.

00:56:10.200 It's a two.

00:56:11.040 It's a two quo quay fallacy.

00:56:12.440 It's a what he said.

00:56:13.600 Yeah, that's what someone said in the chat.

00:56:15.340 So Andrew was saying, look, this is the ideal.

00:56:18.160 But the problem with that is it doesn't matter what the ideal is.

00:56:22.060 That's just a wish list.

00:56:23.700 That's saying Rob is saying we have to work with the reality now.

00:56:28.620 This is what's happening.

00:56:30.600 You can't keep monogamy.

00:56:32.120 She can't keep.

00:56:32.940 Nobody's keeping monogamy.

00:56:34.560 Where Andrew is saying, oh, sorry, I like Andrew.

00:56:38.480 I'm going to mock him a little bit.

00:56:39.500 Sorry.

00:56:40.380 But oh, like this is what would be best for society.

00:56:45.040 It was better 100 years ago.

00:56:46.820 OK, but we're not in 100 years ago, right?

00:56:50.200 You fallacy.

00:56:51.620 Yeah, ideal is not the real world.

00:56:54.360 You can't use those in arguments.

00:56:56.220 It's a fallacious move.

00:56:57.300 So what you're doing is you're saying you yourself don't adhere to the principles that

00:57:00.120 you value.

00:57:00.780 It has no bearing on the argument whatsoever.

00:57:03.020 If I went out tonight and I got 300 hookers and sniff cocaine off of their navels, it would

00:57:07.960 have nothing to do with the argument that we're having right now.

00:57:10.920 What it illustrates is that it's an impossible standard.

00:57:13.940 And this is why I went to a play last night.

00:57:15.940 I'm in New York City right now.

00:57:17.440 And they had it was Tammy Faye.

00:57:19.080 It was about PTL ministries.

00:57:21.240 And they had Jim Baker and Jimmy Swaggart and this guy, Marvin Gorman, and all three of

00:57:26.100 them fell to sexual sin.

00:57:27.360 These are men that love God and they all fell to sexual sin because it's an impossible standard

00:57:32.200 that was never an impossible standard in the Bible.

00:57:35.980 It's a true.

00:57:36.460 OK, let me let me we're going to go back to this.

00:57:38.920 OK, we're going to go back to my slideshow here.

00:57:40.880 Why is it an impossible standard now when it wasn't 100 years ago for men?

00:57:48.580 We're going to think about this.

00:57:50.260 So the reason it's an impossible standard now.

00:57:54.060 OK, so these are this is the dating pool I want for the sake of this.

00:57:57.980 Pretend this old woman is an ugly woman, but younger for the sake of this.

00:58:02.320 So they're all young.

00:58:03.220 Let's just say.

00:58:05.620 College, OK, 18 to 21, this is the only guy that's going to get the job.

00:58:10.880 sexual access here, right?

00:58:13.380 So at 18, this guy is going to get access to all the women.

00:58:17.860 Now, you could say, please, top men, stop having sex with everybody.

00:58:22.620 But that's not going to work.

00:58:24.300 And you could say, please, ladies, stop having sex with men that are completely out of your league.

00:58:31.860 Good luck with that.

00:58:32.980 The same way if men had, you know, Margot Robbie in her prime banging on their door and you said, please, men, stop having sex with these super hot women out of your league.

00:58:47.200 They would say F off, right?

00:58:48.740 So you're not going to stop this.

00:58:50.340 Now, the challenge is this guy in the middle, which is most men, they're either here or here.

00:58:58.700 You know, the usually the guy at the top, that's the guy that's selected for short term sexual encounters.

00:59:05.320 Sometimes they want long guy in the middle is the guy that only gets sexual access through relationships.

00:59:11.160 Guy on the on the bottom doesn't get any at all.

00:59:14.520 OK.

00:59:15.580 And usually they can men can like move through all of these stages in life.

00:59:20.500 The challenge is the guy in the middle.

00:59:23.940 You're saying, wait till marriage, but the women will not marry until they're old.

00:59:31.100 And so the problem is the guy you're now saying to the guy, wait till you're middle age to have sex.

00:59:37.400 Wait till you're 40.

00:59:38.420 Wait till you're 35, 30.

00:59:43.220 I'm not saying it's impossible.

00:59:45.420 I'm sure there are people that have done it.

00:59:48.040 But if you take 10 men.

00:59:51.280 I think that's and the other problem is then he becomes a target because he hasn't really dealt with women.

00:59:57.500 He gets to 30.

00:59:58.420 Now the ladies are interested in him.

01:00:00.820 It's like 30, 35 when it switches.

01:00:03.000 Now he's a mark and this lady on the top over here, she's been banging this guy for a decade.

01:00:10.220 And she said, oh, I need to settle down.

01:00:12.560 I need to.

01:00:13.040 And he doesn't really know what he's getting himself into because he can't tell the difference between a good woman or a bad woman.

01:00:22.420 Because women were very good at hiding things.

01:00:24.840 I mean, you saw Nala did it out in the open.

01:00:28.140 But women used to, you know, have crazy stuff and then go, go to God, become a new woman.

01:00:34.260 And then this guy becomes a target or like become a new woman.

01:00:38.360 Not really.

01:00:39.040 So let me go back.

01:00:40.260 That's why it's more impossible now.

01:00:42.820 And this isn't the men's choice, right?

01:00:44.740 The men, men, I think would be much more willing to marry young.

01:00:50.020 But the problem is the ladies just won't do it.

01:00:54.060 They said, please settle down.

01:00:56.100 The lady said, nah, unless you're Chad.

01:01:01.480 It's Christian mythology.

01:01:04.100 So are you saying that if we have sex outside of marriage, that's not sinful?

01:01:08.500 Let me ask you this.

01:01:09.600 I'm asking you a question, sir.

01:01:11.120 If you have sex outside of marriage, is it sinful?

01:01:15.080 I believe it is, yes.

01:01:16.400 Okay, well then, then how is this?

01:01:18.140 That's the same impossibility of standard.

01:01:20.340 I had sex outside of marriage.

01:01:22.600 I had sex.

01:01:23.420 I had sex outside of marriage.

01:01:25.820 Like many, many, many people do.

01:01:28.520 Yes, is it sinful?

01:01:29.460 Of course it is.

01:01:30.300 But for you to say, but for you to say, stop, dude.

01:01:34.620 For you to say, for you, dude, dude, stop.

01:01:37.900 Let me finish.

01:01:38.520 For you to say, though, hey, this is an impossible standard to adhere to.

01:01:42.980 You just make the same argument.

01:01:44.480 Say, okay, well then other men have also done it the other way.

01:01:47.680 So it makes no sense, right?

01:01:49.260 Just saying, just making the affirmative statements an impossible standard is in and of itself another fallacy.

01:01:55.660 It's not in the Bible.

01:01:57.080 It's not in the Bible.

01:01:58.120 Listen.

01:01:58.380 What's not in the Bible?

01:01:59.440 Let me just ask a second.

01:02:00.380 Is marrying your first cousin in the Bible?

01:02:01.740 The title of this podcast or this debate was, can Christian polygamy save marriage in the West?

01:02:09.060 Let me just, a simple question for everyone watching.

01:02:11.520 If a man knew that he could take more than one, would he be more likely to marry a little bit faster?

01:02:17.480 Because the average age that men get married right now is 30.5 years old.

01:02:21.200 Yeah, why?

01:02:21.840 What do they do in their 20s?

01:02:22.940 How come, though?

01:02:23.680 They fornicate.

01:02:24.660 They sow their oats.

01:02:25.440 How come?

01:02:26.240 Yeah, I disagree.

01:02:28.300 I don't think that men are the ones pushing marriage.

01:02:31.700 I think it's women.

01:02:33.080 If men were the ones waiting to get married, then you would see the men marrying young women.

01:02:39.420 You know, you would see 40-year-old men with 20-year-old women or 25-year-old women because men are attracted to youth and beauty, right?

01:02:47.680 But because we see the females' age of first marriage going up, that tells me that it's the women that don't want to get married, not the men.

01:02:57.200 The average age is in their 30s.

01:02:58.860 Do you know why?

01:02:59.700 Because they wait for the unicorn.

01:03:01.980 Wrong.

01:03:02.980 Wrong.

01:03:04.040 I'll tell you exactly why.

01:03:05.820 It's because inside the Western nations, the United States government is notorious for this, but so is the Australian government.

01:03:12.720 So is most of the North American and Western European governments.

01:03:16.100 What they do is they have a mass campaign that they started in the 1980s where they taught women to value education over reproductive years.

01:03:25.920 Again, it's that subtle language.

01:03:28.140 They taught the women to value education.

01:03:30.900 If women cared about education, if we cared about getting smart in our careers, we would be picking careers that make a lot of money or degrees that teach you a lot, not gender studies, not these, you know, sociology degrees where you're really doing nothing, right?

01:03:51.320 Women enjoy the excitement of going to college, right?

01:03:55.900 It's exciting.

01:03:56.620 It's fun.

01:03:57.300 I mean, it's not this brainwashing.

01:04:01.420 It's not this forcing.

01:04:03.120 It's not this.

01:04:04.140 The ladies were not brainwashed.

01:04:05.860 What happened was you got to see exactly what we wanted to do.

01:04:09.420 What women do is they go to college, right?

01:04:13.020 They go to college during their reproductive years and they get married later in life.

01:04:17.800 That's why you also, here's my proof of this.

01:04:20.200 You have what's called a reproduction, replication crisis, reproduction crisis.

01:04:24.200 You could just call it the birth rate crisis if you want.

01:04:26.680 Okay.

01:04:26.820 Whichever way you want to, you want to sway it.

01:04:28.840 We are under the reproduction replacement rate in the United States for children.

01:04:33.140 Remember, if you look at abortion rates, women under 25 are the most likely ones to get abortions.

01:04:40.160 So the age of first birth is going up and women are aborting their kids.

01:04:46.000 What does that tell us?

01:04:48.080 We thought that the ladies really wanted to be moms, but I mean, every data point shows they don't.

01:04:53.300 They don't want to raise their kids.

01:04:54.440 They don't want to stay home with their kids.

01:04:55.760 They'd rather put their kids in daycare than watch them and they'll abort them.

01:05:01.460 This is because women, women get married later in life because they spend their twenties in school.

01:05:09.740 They spend their twenties getting college degrees.

01:05:12.380 You can look at this in the stats.

01:05:14.120 Overwhelmingly, men go to trade schools.

01:05:15.640 Women go to college.

01:05:17.060 Every single anthropological study, which has been done on this has shown.

01:05:21.660 Yeah, but it's, it's deeper than that.

01:05:23.580 It's not just college.

01:05:24.460 It's the women getting the free parties, going to part, like the bars, it's, um, getting a cushy job, you know, drinks after we're all, all of the fun stuff.

01:05:36.760 You're essentially worshipped as a woman with Instagram, right?

01:05:40.120 All these people worshipping you, all these fun opportunities.

01:05:43.580 And demonstrated that in every single Western nation where women value education over their reproductive years,

01:05:51.080 the birth rate goes straight down and marriage ends up happening later in life.

01:05:55.860 So again, what do we do?

01:05:56.760 Do we force?

01:05:57.680 Is it forced?

01:05:58.480 Do we say, nope, you can't, you're going to do exactly what we say to do.

01:06:03.180 Go get married and have kids.

01:06:04.780 Do we force them?

01:06:07.020 I don't know.

01:06:07.600 That feels kind of weird to me.

01:06:09.660 Or do you say, okay, do it.

01:06:13.640 Deal with the consequences.

01:06:14.440 The problem now is we don't have consequences for any of this stuff because there's always a guy that's going to bail the ladies out,

01:06:21.080 or there's always, um, a government program or child supporter alimony that bails us out of the bad decisions.

01:06:31.120 Personally, what I, what I would prescribe is I would say, we got to get rid of the bailout programs.

01:06:39.480 And then you're going to see things reset a little bit, not completely, right?

01:06:44.160 But, you know, you got to, you know, if you want a divorce, fine.

01:06:49.060 I'm, I'm not going to, I don't want, I don't think the men should be forced to be with a woman that doesn't want to be with them.

01:06:55.220 That's torture, but you need to pay for yourself the rest of your life.

01:07:01.220 The guy doesn't have to do it.

01:07:02.760 That's why it's going on, sir.

01:07:04.300 Okay.

01:07:04.440 Let me tell you what, if a woman's sleeping with a man, there's about nine times out of 10, she wants to marry that man and she will marry that man.

01:07:11.680 I don't care how.

01:07:12.280 That is not true.

01:07:13.540 That is not true at all.

01:07:14.740 How young she is.

01:07:15.860 And if polygyny was accepted.

01:07:17.720 One of the most common complaints I've gotten from guys is that the women want to have sex with them.

01:07:22.800 You know, there's one, I asked a guy friend of mine who like, I don't know, he's, he would say like, maybe one out of 10 women want a relationship, maybe.

01:07:38.480 When they get older, that changes.

01:07:41.120 But when they're younger, the women do not want to be in relationships because again, they have to, by being in a relationship,

01:07:48.600 you have to turn down free concerts, free trips.

01:07:53.840 You know, all of your friends are going to Miami for a girl's trip and going on a boat in Miami.

01:08:01.100 Are you going to say no?

01:08:02.260 Or maybe it's in your town, right?

01:08:07.000 Maybe it's not Miami.

01:08:08.060 It's just the coolest things to do in your town.

01:08:10.900 All of the single girls are going and it's fun.

01:08:13.880 And the young, especially young women, they're given so much.

01:08:18.680 We took the ring girl from the Jake Paul fight.

01:08:21.020 She was in a relationship at a small town or I forgot what southern school she was at.

01:08:26.720 She was in a relationship.

01:08:27.780 She had a long-term boyfriend.

01:08:29.320 Had she had the boyfriend, do you think she would have reached this global fame being a ring girl, meeting all these celebrities?

01:08:36.380 Is she going to turn that down for an average man?

01:08:39.920 Sadly, unfortunately, no.

01:08:41.760 Not so stigmatized by people like you and legally mandated by the government.

01:08:46.900 There would not be any women not getting married at 17.

01:08:50.420 Prove it. Prove it.

01:08:51.060 Where's your proof?

01:08:51.640 Where's your proofs?

01:08:52.160 I know you said I let you talk.

01:08:52.960 I let you talk.

01:08:53.720 Can you give me proofs, though, to demonstrate this?

01:08:55.640 You tell me you let you talk and now you're talking over me, brother.

01:08:57.680 He does do that.

01:08:58.940 He does that a lot.

01:08:59.760 Just want the proofs with what you're saying.

01:09:01.520 Well, look, it's common sense that if, look, if polygyny was accepted and you didn't marry your high school sweetheart,

01:09:08.700 you knew the 35-year-old down the street with two wives already has been looking at her, and he's going to marry her.

01:09:13.780 Right now, it's a buyer's market for men.

01:09:16.060 We don't need to marry.

01:09:17.180 That's why the marriage rate is in the toilet.

01:09:19.280 It's the weather globe.

01:09:20.500 Why?

01:09:20.900 Because we don't need to marry.

01:09:22.080 We can get all the benefits of marriage without doing it.

01:09:24.220 So women are sitting on the market like these houses that can't sell, trying to find a buyer.

01:09:28.680 No, they want to get married.

01:09:29.860 They want to have babies.

01:09:30.780 There's no evidence that suggests that women want to do either of those things.

01:09:36.220 Men are stepping up to marry them because of this horse shit.

01:09:39.220 But this is, a lot of the Christian guys get fooled by this because the women will say that,

01:09:43.600 but I've never met a woman that says she wants to be married.

01:09:47.500 I say, okay, how many dates are you going on a week?

01:09:51.060 Are you going on two dates a week?

01:09:53.060 Three dates a week?

01:09:53.800 Are you dating aggressively to get to where you want to go?

01:09:56.460 I'm not saying you got to sleep with them all, but you do got to go download Hinge.

01:10:03.660 Are you okay?

01:10:04.200 You don't want to meet them online.

01:10:05.380 Are you going to a bar twice a week?

01:10:07.160 Okay.

01:10:07.920 Going to different churches.

01:10:09.260 Your church hasn't worked.

01:10:11.020 Going to a different church.

01:10:12.260 Like, what are you doing?

01:10:13.880 There's never anything.

01:10:15.860 Okay, guys, I do have to get going, but I may finish this on Monday.

01:10:20.160 If you guys want me to keep reacting to this, let me know.

01:10:23.280 I might continue, might not.

01:10:24.800 Let me know what you guys want.

01:10:27.320 I'm going to read the rest of the comments, which if you guys do want to add a comment

01:10:31.700 to the show, you go to theaudacitynetwork.com.

01:10:34.120 We do have an app, so you can download the app onto your phone, and you just go into the

01:10:39.680 live chat, and then, you know, usually I read pretty much all the comments.

01:10:44.760 Dane says, oh, and it is one $10 a month payment or $80 a year, and you get to put all

01:10:51.580 the comments you want in the chat.

01:10:53.100 So, LGBTQ is an outright sin, no question.

01:10:56.780 Polygamy is not covered as a sin biblically, but it sets up a format that allows actual

01:11:02.800 sin to thrive.

01:11:04.340 Thrive.

01:11:05.120 Mitchell, fake.

01:11:06.200 They aren't Christian.

01:11:07.200 Dane, here's a smile for you.

01:11:09.100 Pearl polygamy is like a woman going to the club that isn't a sin, but it sets her up to

01:11:13.740 sin.

01:11:14.600 Mitchell, if you're willing to go to the club, then you're faking it.

01:11:17.480 Paul says to turn the one claiming to be a Christian out of the church if he does such

01:11:24.340 things.

01:11:24.980 Well, okay, guys, let me know what you think in the comments.

01:11:29.080 Make sure you like the video on your way out and subscribe to the channel.

01:11:32.920 This was a really interesting debate.

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JustPearlyThings - December 06, 2024

Is The Answer To This Failed Society Christian Polygamy？｜ Pearl Daily

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