Trans Man Contradicts Himself in Real Time
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Summary
In this episode, we discuss gender dysphoria, therapy before transitioning, the importance of a safe space for transgenders to talk about their gender identity, and the need for legislation to allow trans people to come to terms with their identity.
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question is do you think that people with gender dysphoria need therapy before transitioning sure
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they need to make sure that the decision that they're making is a hundred percent what they
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want to do because if you don't if you like halfway through transitioning you say you turn around and
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say you don't want to be that particular gender you're transitioning to be it's going to be a
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waste of time if that makes sense it's a huge decision it's a very big decision it's so like
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just like the basic like you as in yourself you have like come to a conclusion that you are
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so i'm not a female i'm actually a man so it's like you're going to go through that whole process
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i think it's important to get that therapy first and then just go from there and then you can really
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make that final decision so it's only fair really isn't it yeah for sure wow everyone agreed on this
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one no 100 100 100 think that someone should definitely go for therapy like i'm i was even
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someone that beforehand was would be like i'm not talking to anyone about my ish no one needs to hear
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my ish that you could just stay in my head it's fine and you know what like it took about 16 sessions
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for me to actually really talk about the things that i needed to talk about and not necessarily like
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transitioning but just like things that have culminated in like um like who i am today like
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the trauma i've been through things i've experienced and so on and so forth like i think it's actually
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really important and like to to actually have that space where you can sit and you can discuss that
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stuff and you can talk about it and when it comes to transition i do think you should have therapy before
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you before you even think about transitioning like it is it is a massive massive step to take
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obviously society as a whole doesn't necessarily agree with our existence so it is hard i too am
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muslim so i had to have that take that into consideration as well um i have like a lot of
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religious family members both christian and muslim um and you know like i had to think about that i also
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had to think about where i stood in my in my relationship with god in my spirituality as well
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and you know what like the way i see is i am very very very blessed to have been given the
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perspective of a female to understand like what it's like to be um objectified what it's like
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to be spoken down at work or not to be taken seriously or to you know like to have your feelings
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null and void because you're just hormonal yeah so i understand what that's like and i really really
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appreciate being given that opportunity and that you know that perspective but did you see did you
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see a psychiatrist too and i just saw a counselor okay but either way i feel very blessed i have been
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given that perspective however i was not comfortable in my body i was 22 stone in that body i've lost over
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10 stone um since understanding who i am and how i operate i feel so much more comfortable i don't
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claim that i'm a man if anything i am a very beautiful balance of both i'm very very proud of
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my femininity i'm very proud of my masculinity the outside now matches the inside i don't pretend to
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be something that other people think i'm not i am both we strive for balance is that like non-binary
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then i don't even consider myself non-binary if i label myself as taz that's how i label myself i
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wouldn't say to anybody i wouldn't try to um coerce someone into thinking that i you know that i'm a
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man that i was born with male genitalia that's not what i would ever do but i would hope that someone
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would get to know me as a person before understanding or before knowing my my sexuality my gender or so
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on because at the end of the day my name's taz i you know i like sunsets i play ice hockey i've done
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martial arts um i like i like being out in nature like there's so much more to me than just my sex
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and my gender um and my sexuality so i think it's far more important to actually be able to discuss
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and to talk to people and to to find out who they are before fully labeling them like i like with all
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due respect guys i don't care what gender any of you are i don't care who you go to bed with funnily
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enough it doesn't affect me yeah when you not go to the toilet i'm not thinking what you are doing in
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there i'm just going to toilet if you're not thinking otherwise then that quite often that's
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down to either you your experience or the societal rhetoric i don't think people care about what
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people do in the bathrooms in my opinion i think the bathroom thing is not is really a non-issue i think
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people would do whatever people want to do at the end of the day but i think the problem is when these
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things are put into legislation thereby forcing people to act a certain way yeah agreed that's my
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problem if it's not put into legislation i don't think people are walking around trying to hate on
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transgender people and say ah this are obviously there are always bad people in society but the
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general consensus is i think most people would be okay letting other people live their lives however
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they want to live it because do you really think there's been that much difference or do you think
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that because it will blow over eventually right i understand the animosity right now the problem i
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have with the legislation aspect is that when we start accepting things like this to be passed into
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legislation then it does a knock-on effect other things would then it's like like what how they're
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trying to make um because first of all they're putting it in school yeah there was a thing that happened
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a couple of years ago where they forced everyone to stay indoors and then when it was all over we found
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out that it was all whatever it was but it's that kind of rhetoric when we keep allowing these things
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to be passed into legislation that's my whole point it never ends it's hardly the same though i think
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you know it's hardly the same example i think you know we've got the whole conspiracy theories
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conspiracy theories in regards to like what you just said just then and lots of other things
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which is government you know related but this isn't a government thing this is what do you what conspiracy
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theories like what are you talking about like your colleagues just said over in regards we had to
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stay in our house for a certain period of time and then we realized we didn't have to do that anymore
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i mean what do you mean who's who's making you stay in your house i don't get it i'm just going
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off the basics of what he said three years ago the plan he's talking about david yeah david bovid
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david oh that's what he told us this girl actually that's what helen said but oh man i forgot my
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point now but i just think that's a little bit different because that's like a government thing
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and i'm all for that conspiracy theories i didn't take part in none of them things there yeah still
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so i i'm i'm fully against that that as well but i'm just saying that i think this is like different
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because this is like trans people this is people so this is not necessarily like a government trying to
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push an agenda legislation means putting it into law yeah but it's trying to be fair only because
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it's trying to be inclusive and be fair yeah it's hardly the same as like uh whatever yeah that that
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is the point because it's like you're you're forcing like especially like i mean this is a christian
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country isn't it yeah so it's like you're forcing p i mean i'm not saying i'm not saying i'm not saying
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yeah but the whole point er and i'm from the us so that's a christian countries we have christian
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values and now we're going to schools where now they're putting in trans they're trans people are
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coming in our sports in our bathrooms and it's like you're forcing us to live and act like it's
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normal when we don't think it is and i hear that you know if you're a religious individual and you've
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been you know i'm going to call it brainwashed into believing these things then i don't feel
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brainwashed i've been i've been i've been i was raised into christianity and i take christianity very
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seriously that's good that's good that's good and it doesn't i'm a spiritual i'm a spiritual
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person let me just finish i'm a spiritual person yeah i'm a spiritual person i believe in god
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i believe in all of these things but with religion and spirituality they're different
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things that's why you've got a lot of people that call themselves they believe in spirituality
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or they're spiritual people and you've got people that are religious and they put themselves
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in these boxes of different religions hinduism islam christianity judaism and they all kind of
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have the same thing but essentially they've got these laws and these rules that you need to
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abide by with spirituality which is something that i believe in we're free spirited individuals
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you know the main thing for us is to to love and to evolve yeah but you live but you live in you
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you live in the uk and we have an archbishop not a pope he lives in canterbury cathedral
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can i just make a point we live in the uk we have laws and you couldn't let her finish she's you
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you guys have talked a lot let her go i didn't say anything no you keep interrupting her go ahead
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what i'm trying to say is that you live in the uk and we have laws right you like common indecency
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you have to be fully clothed right you couldn't just walk the streets naked without no clothes
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that is a crime so and you're talking about um the different religions different religions and
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different boxes that's people's religions and cultures and whatever they have going on but we
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have laws here okay but i'm just saying that you guys brought religion into it by saying about this
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is a christian country so not everyone in this country but the point is if you choose to live in
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a christian country there's values that go along with it and so the whole point is that you're
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coming into a christian country and saying that we need to normalize things that we do not agree with
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it yeah that's like that's like me like if i if i went to um like i went to i forgot where i was in
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the middle east but it was a couple years ago and they there were certain places where i went in and
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i had to cover my hair i don't personally believe that but because i'm in their country like it's