JustPearlyThings - February 08, 2023


What Every Woman Must Know About PREGNACY


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00:00:00.000 a little heavy topic today. But so I have something that I'm going to read. So 214,256
00:00:10.900 abortions were performed in England and Wales in 2022. The highest rate since the Abortion Act was
00:00:16.700 introduced in October of 1967. The standardized abortion rates for residents is 18.6 abortions
00:00:25.520 per 1,000 women. Abortion rates for women under 18 has decreased from 15% or from 15 per
00:00:31.760 1,000 in 2011 to 6.4 per 1,000 in 2021. 99% of abortions were funded by NHS. Abortion rates
00:00:41.700 are the highest among women of, I'm just curious, guess what you think, what age is the highest?
00:00:47.360 I'm just curious. Youngest, I think. Young. Up 20, 16, 18. 16, 18. Yeah, I would say probably
00:00:54.900 18. Maybe like 16 or 21 or something. Okay, would you say 19? Mid-20s. Mid-20s. You're
00:01:00.940 the close. 28. 22. As the highest among women at the age of 22 years old, the largest increase
00:01:10.460 has been between women between the ages of 30 and 34 years old. 82% of abortions in the
00:01:17.200 UK were from women that were single. 49% of those women listed single with a partner as
00:01:23.020 their status. 78% of the women noted their ethnicity on the forms were white, 9% were
00:01:29.980 aged, 7% were black, and 5% were mixed. 98% of abortions in the UK were performed under
00:01:37.380 ground C. That the pregnancy has not exceeded its 24th week and that the continuance of the
00:01:44.340 pregnancy would involve risk greater than if the pregnancy were terminated of injury to
00:01:49.220 the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman. 43% of women undergoing abortions have
00:01:55.380 had one or more previous abortions. So question for the women. Are you pro-life or pro-choice?
00:02:05.460 Just to clarify, if anyone doesn't know, pro-life is when a woman wouldn't have an abortion.
00:02:10.500 Oh, wait. Oh, sorry. I'm reading this wrong. Are you pro-life?
00:02:17.540 Oh, no. Pro-life or pro-choice. Okay. Pro-life is when a woman wouldn't have an abortion and
00:02:24.020 doesn't want other women to have either. In pro-life, pro-choice women is one that wouldn't
00:02:30.600 have abortions themselves but want other women to have a choice. A pro-choice, pro-choice...
00:02:37.500 I'm sorry. Someone sent this to me and I'm like reading this wrong. Okay. Basically,
00:02:41.900 like, would you have an abortion yourself and do you think it should be legal is the question.
00:02:46.860 So then go ahead. Um, no and yes.
00:02:54.460 Yeah, I'm pro-choice. Um, I think it should be legal and I would have an abortion.
00:02:59.900 Um, I am pro-life and I think it should be legal.
00:03:11.340 Go ahead. Yes and yes. Okay. Uh, well, you can't but, um, but pro-life or pro-choice?
00:03:19.100 I think abortion is wrong. Okay. So pro-life? Yeah. Okay. Um, pro-choice. Pro-choice. Oh, hi guys.
00:03:33.260 Um, do you, um, so today's topic is abortion and the question is are you pro- what's your name? Why don't
00:03:39.900 you start with your name, your age and then are you pro-life or pro-choice? Hi, I'm Sunny. I'm 25 and I'm pro-choice.
00:03:46.940 Okay. Uh, I'm Taylor, 27. Taylor, 27. I'm pro-choice. Okay. Um, so Blessing, you want to play the first video?
00:03:59.100 Okay.
00:04:13.660 Personal experience with abortion and I don't think we talk about this enough. Abortion can be another word for mercy.
00:04:21.340 Some 16 year old's life has been irrevocably changed because of the current overturning of
00:04:26.860 Roe v. Wade and what its implications are, what it means to live in a country that puts us in this
00:04:33.100 position. And when you are a young woman starting out your career, your reproductive destiny matters
00:04:38.060 a great deal. Nowadays, I couldn't take that for granted. I couldn't take that freedom for granted,
00:04:43.740 the freedom of choice. We know that no two pregnancies are alike and it follows that no two lives are
00:04:48.220 like, that follows that no two conceptions are alike. So how can we have a law? How can we have
00:04:53.900 a point of view on this that says we must treat everything the same? When you allow for choice,
00:04:59.980 you allow for flexibility, which is what we need in order to be human. This is not a moral conversation
00:05:07.900 about abortion. This is a practical conversation about women's rights. And by the way, human rights,
00:05:13.900 because women's rights are human rights and the freedom that we all need to be able to
00:05:18.780 to choose and build our lives and have access to excellent health care. My own personal experience
00:05:26.460 with abortion. And I don't think we talk. Okay, so what did you guys think of that video?
00:05:31.660 So you can start and then go around. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's sad because she's talking about the woman,
00:05:40.540 but she doesn't make any mention about the child. There's another life. There's two lives involved
00:05:47.420 when we're talking about abortion and one life chooses to end the life of that innocent human
00:05:55.020 being. So I think she's just totally ignoring the other human being in the equation.
00:06:03.020 I agree with what you said. I think abortion should be legal. I think it's the woman's choice if she wants
00:06:08.540 to have an abortion or not. Yeah.
00:06:17.500 I take it from the viewpoint of the fact that we are not just to consider
00:06:29.420 just the individual. I feel like human life has, or the woman has a choice. The unborn doesn't have a choice.
00:06:43.500 So, you know, that should be factored in. And because that is another human life as well. So, yeah.
00:06:51.740 I think it's incredibly brave of her firstly, to actually speak up and discuss a subject on such
00:06:57.340 a large world stage that is so judged. And like, for her to do that is a big step for the freedom
00:07:03.180 of speech around this topic. And has literally opened up the floor for this topic. I think
00:07:08.140 considering the life of a child, it has to be encompassed of who is actually raising that child.
00:07:13.500 You know, the child isn't just born and then becomes its own soul and its own being. It's raised by,
00:07:17.980 as a byproduct of what the parent currently is and the pattern and the blueprint that the parent has
00:07:23.420 created. And if you haven't yourself done the work to enable yourself to be the best possible parent
00:07:28.860 of only yourself and your inner child, to then be expected to raise another child would actually be
00:07:36.460 a discredit to the unborn being. I think like, to become a parent is to know that you're ready
00:07:43.100 to raise another being and consider that actually you're passing on your blueprint. And if you still
00:07:50.060 carry heavy trauma, then how can you raise another being to its best possible potential of soul?
00:07:57.580 I feel like people raised kids with trauma all the time before.
00:08:02.620 Yeah. I mean, I think we all carry trauma to some degree, but if there's certain parts of yourself that
00:08:07.580 you haven't eradicated or developed, then like to imprint that onto a child is like quite a big thing.
00:08:17.340 Okay, go ahead.
00:08:18.540 Yeah, I think age gap, I'm sorry, age is really important when deciding whether to get an abortion
00:08:23.900 or not. And she was pretty old, that woman. So she, yeah, I don't really think she knows what it's like
00:08:31.820 to be in a position of someone that's younger that might need to get an abortion, you know.
00:08:38.220 I think depending on the age, it's got a very big part to play in it. If you're 17, 18,
00:08:43.420 you need to get an abortion because you know you're not financially unstable to look after that child.
00:08:49.020 Then yeah, I mean, gotta have it. But then again, that all comes down to, you know,
00:08:54.380 your decision to like have sex at that age, you know. And at that age, I don't think people should be
00:09:00.460 prioritizing this type of things, you know.
00:09:03.180 At like 17?
00:09:04.540 Yeah.
00:09:04.860 So you feel like it's kind of their own fault?
00:09:07.180 Yeah, I had a lot of friends in primary school, and then they went to secondary school and they
00:09:11.180 got pregnant at 17. And they kept like three of my friends. I don't know them, but yeah,
00:09:15.980 now they all have children, maybe even four now, I think.
00:09:19.740 Okay, go ahead.
00:09:22.140 Yeah, so personally, I think obviously, let's get the facts out there that obviously it is murder,
00:09:26.540 right? Killing an unborn child is still murder. And obviously, it is a separate person. Like,
00:09:33.580 people think, oh, it's my child, or it's my partner's child. But actually, it's a separate
00:09:37.900 person. So yeah, like, it is a fact. However, we have a free will, and we have a choice. No matter
00:09:44.300 what people say, no matter what they do, we still have a choice. No one can change us, not God,
00:09:49.820 not devil. We can only change ourselves, and we have that free will. So whatever we decide,
00:09:54.460 it should be our choice. Okay, what about you two? I feel like, like any challenge,
00:10:04.620 you have to be ready for it. If you're not ready for it, then the results may go ways that you can't
00:10:12.460 even anticipate. So I feel like the circumstances that people are in before they have a child should
00:10:18.860 be taken into account heavily when making such decisions.
00:10:24.860 Just the same kind of, I don't think you should bring a child into a situation
00:10:29.100 if they're going to be resented or unwanted.
00:10:34.140 Okay.
00:10:35.100 Like, just a quick question for my own self that's just been triggered is like,
00:10:38.460 is it still classified as a human being when it can't breathe on its own?
00:10:41.660 I mean, I think that depends who you ask.
00:10:46.060 Yeah. But like, scientifically, like if you can't take your own breath,
00:10:50.380 is it still classified?
00:10:51.820 I can share the science.
00:10:53.500 Oh, go ahead, go ahead.
00:10:56.140 Well, from the point of fertilization, when the sperm and the egg meet, that's scientifically
00:11:01.740 the beginning of a new human being start. So that's when we all, our lives all began. And then you just
00:11:07.660 need time to grow into a more, you know, adult version of yourself. So that is when life begins.
00:11:14.300 So is it still classified, even though you're not dependent on your own life?
00:11:18.140 90% of scientists say that life begins at conception.
00:11:23.020 So I'm curious. Okay. So for the people that are pro-life, so one, two, three,
00:11:29.900 it's a good mixed panel today. When do you, so would you guys say that abortion should be outlawed
00:11:35.340 completely? You would say, yeah. If you see me, if you say yes, raise your hand.
00:11:41.740 You think it should be outlawed completely? Okay. For the people that are pro-choice,
00:11:45.980 when, how long up to abortion, like should abortion be legal to tell? Up to birth, up to six months,
00:11:52.620 up to three months, or if you have a different number, but those are the three most common answers
00:11:58.380 I seem to get. Go ahead.
00:11:59.340 I mean, of course, not up until the day that you're like gonna give birth, but I think the day that
00:12:05.740 it's at now, what is it, like 24 weeks or something? Yeah, you guys have six months.
00:12:09.500 Oh, so six months. Yeah, I think, you know, if the doctors and people are saying six months is
00:12:15.820 okay, then I think six months is okay. Okay.
00:12:19.100 I mean, personally, I wouldn't have one, you know, six months. I would try and get us done as
00:12:23.020 early as possible, but, you know, six months, then it's six months. Okay.
00:12:27.980 At what point does it, like, maybe this is just my lack of knowledge, but at what point does it form
00:12:33.340 into, from a fetus to an actual being? Like, where is the form of the brain and like, where is the
00:12:40.620 form of the heart? Like, where does that actual scientific process like, uh, transform?
00:12:47.340 You know, yeah, you know this, right? Um, well, I mean, development is an ongoing process, right?
00:12:52.780 So actually the heart starts beating at around 21 days. Um, and so a lot of women don't even know
00:12:59.020 they're pregnant then. Um, and the brain waves, uh, around six weeks, at eight weeks, uh, the baby
00:13:06.860 actually has, um, the 90% of the same organs that we, that we have as adults. So it's actually very
00:13:15.180 surprising to develop. Wait, say that again? The organ thing? At eight weeks from fertilization.
00:13:20.780 So eight weeks, if you think about it, most women find out they're pregnant, you know,
00:13:24.780 maybe they miss their period and they find out five, six, six weeks or something.
00:13:28.300 Oh, I didn't even know that. So at eight weeks, that baby, that, or that embryo has, um, yeah,
00:13:34.780 has 90% of the same organs that you and I have. At what point do we stop, like, where's the
00:13:40.860 transformation from like embryo to fetus to baby? I mean, these are just names. So these
00:13:45.820 are just scientific terms. So, um, the word fetus just means little one in Latin. And that is from
00:13:53.900 nine weeks. We call it an embryo from the first point is called a zygote. Then we call it an
00:14:00.060 embryo up to, um, eight weeks. And then from nine weeks onwards, it's referred to
00:14:05.660 as a fetus when that baby, when that child's born, it's now a baby. Then it becomes a toddler.
00:14:11.580 Then it becomes, you know, child, teenager, adult. These are just stages of development.
00:14:16.060 They don't say whether we're, you know, how valuable we are. We don't say, you know, that a
00:14:21.580 teenager is more valuable than a toddler simply because it's older. Because it breathes for itself.
00:14:28.060 Well, a toddler breathes for itself, doesn't it? Yeah. So I'm saying that a teenager is not
00:14:32.460 more valuable. But an embryo doesn't breathe for itself, right? It's required
00:14:36.700 someone else's breath to survive. Is that when you think that life
00:14:40.220 conception, like, so at birth? I'm kind of unpacking this as we go,
00:14:44.060 which is kind of interesting, actually. No, no, no, it's fine. I'm just asking.
00:14:47.500 Actually, something that, um, I don't know your name, which is... Cass. Cass.
00:14:51.500 Something that Cass said was like, oh, hang on a second. Like, at what point is it actually
00:14:57.260 still dependent on, like, my breath to survive? Like, it's not its own... Is it a human... Like,
00:15:02.700 it made me think, is it a human being yet? Because it's not actually being on its own. It has to breathe
00:15:07.580 through me. It requires everything from... When I say me, I'm referring to, uh, the female reproductive
00:15:13.260 organs. Like, it's not being its own human at that point. It has to breathe through me. And that got me
00:15:21.500 really thinking about the actual stages of this process. Because I'm just thinking, like, that
00:15:25.420 argument, then you could abort it, like, a couple days before you give birth. Which, which I, I don't
00:15:31.580 know about you. I think we'd agree that's, that's a little late. Yeah. You know, I mean... I would
00:15:36.460 agree with you. Yeah, yeah. And so, um, yeah, that's... If we go by the breath argument, um... But do you
00:15:44.780 have any memories, anyone in the room, of eight weeks old? Because you're saying, oh, at eight weeks,
00:15:49.180 it's breathing. At three weeks, it's breathing. Because, like... I don't have any, I don't have any
00:15:53.260 memories before the age of, like, five. But I hope they didn't kill me at four. You kind of formulate
00:15:57.100 your memories at five. Literally. Um, what about, like, medical issues? Like, what's your opinion on
00:16:05.260 that? Like, if a doctor said to, like, a mother, like, your child's severely disabled, that's not going
00:16:10.780 to have a good quality of life. Like, they have a chance of dying before they even reach a certain age.
00:16:16.540 Like, what's your opinion on that? Yeah, I mean, these, these are real challenges and real
00:16:21.900 hard issues for any parent to have to go, go through. Um, but we, I'd ask, ask you, you know,
00:16:28.140 let's say I, I'm pregnant and then I have, I have a child and my child's disabled. You know,
00:16:34.220 my child is born and I find that my child's disabled. Can I kill my child once it's born?
00:16:38.780 Well, I mean, obviously not, but. Well, why not? Why not? If it's disabled, it's, it's not going to
00:16:45.340 have a good quality of life, is it? Well, yeah, but at that point, it's already been born. I mean,
00:16:49.340 you're not just going to kill your child because once it's been born, it's disabled, but.
00:16:53.420 So what's the difference between that born child and that unborn child? Well, I don't think abortion's
00:17:00.460 the matter. So that's my opinion on it. So. So, so then your, so your issue is not necessarily
00:17:06.540 about disability, it's about, um, choice. Yeah. So I was just saying, like, if they said, you know,
00:17:13.500 some children live until like they're one, they're two, they're three, if they're really, really
00:17:17.900 disabled and they're going to be completely dependent on the parent for the rest of their
00:17:22.140 life. And the doctors saying, you know, they're going to be like really disabled. Would you be,
00:17:27.500 would you still say to like a mother, like, don't get an abortion, like carry on, you know, birth the
00:17:34.300 child? Yeah. I mean, I don't think that the disabled people are less valuable or less human than
00:17:40.380 able-bodied people and whether I don't think they should be killed born or unborn because I think
00:17:47.500 science tells us that they're just as much human in the womb as they are outside of the womb.
00:17:53.340 And I don't, I don't know if you know this, but that's like a common argument for you. Do you know
00:17:56.860 what eugenics is? No. Anyone? Eugenics? No. Okay. It's basically like trying to get
00:18:02.860 like a more pure population. Um, so a lot of people would, um, like, um, a lot of people would
00:18:10.700 do that through like, um, um, through, uh, what would they say? So Planned Parenthood in the U.S.
00:18:17.260 was started by a racist and basically her whole plan was to, um, abort, they put abortion clinics in
00:18:25.900 like the black community there and then also in low income areas and then like disabled. Like,
00:18:30.860 she felt like, um, you need to get like a more pure population. So when you say like,
00:18:35.020 should you abort disabled kids, it's, it's kind of an argument for eugenics. But I mean,
00:18:40.140 I don't think you actually think that, but that's just, um, as many of you know, I was just banned
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