Biological males should not be allowed to compete in women's sports, argues Leah Thomas. Steven Monticelli, a leftist writer who specializes in leftist talking points and attacking college students, has a different opinion. And he's here to explain why.
00:00:36.000Well, at least that's what it was supposed to be.
00:00:41.000See, yesterday I sat down and spoke with Isaac, and although we disagreed, we had a productive, almost hour-long discussion.
00:00:47.000But in case you've forgotten, civility wasn't exactly on everybody's mind that day.
00:00:55.000And these are adults acting this way in college.
00:00:59.000At UNT, the Harvard of Denton County no less.
00:01:02.000And I had to wonder, why would college students ever think it's acceptable to behave this way?
00:01:08.000Enter one of their self-described mentors, Stephen Monticelli.
00:01:18.000Monticelli is a contributing writer at Rolling Stone and the Daily Beast where he specializes in leftist talking points and attacking college students.
00:01:24.000Oh, there you go. Here, I'll have it on you.
00:01:27.000Monticelli is a contributing writer at Rolling Stone and the Daily Beast, where he specializes
00:01:31.000in leftist talking points and attacking college students.
00:01:34.000He's even made an appearance on CNN's New Day.
00:01:38.000Also, this noted Inspector Gadget impressionist who cosplays as Indiana Jones enthusiast had clearly been waiting for Change My Mind to come to UNT, the harbor of Denton County, for quite some time, and he just couldn't hide his enthusiasm.
00:02:12.000Just a little bit, but you know, both of those countries have a certain history for a certain type of politics, but we're not here to talk about that today.
00:02:37.000It's just like a cotton jacket, I guess, surplus.
00:02:44.000So, Stephen, I don't know how familiar you are at all with what we do with this kind of installment, but it's basically a way where we can hopefully rationalize our positions on controversial topics.
00:02:53.000A lot of the times People can have somewhat rational conversations on topics that maybe don't evoke an emotional response and then it all goes out the window.
00:03:01.000As you've seen here on college campuses with dancing Yoda and people throwing milkshakes and screaming and all these kinds of things which we generally like to avoid.
00:03:10.000Now, spoiler alert, this is about to go sideways very quickly.
00:03:15.000So, today's topic is one obviously we planned for a while, but now it's in the news because of Leah Thomas.
00:03:21.000I don't believe that biological males should be allowed to compete.
00:03:31.000If you disagree with me, I'm more than happy to hear your case and let you change my mind.
00:03:35.000So, I guess before we get into it, what is your definition of the term biological female?
00:03:41.000Is that something that would include people who are assigned female at birth that were born intersex?
00:03:48.000So this is interesting that you're bringing up this point, intersex.
00:03:50.000You're talking about the 0.01% of the population.
00:03:53.000It's about 1.5, 1.7, because there are surgeries that are done to babies when they're babies, when they're born, and then they assign them a gender.
00:04:00.000So let me address two different points here.
00:04:02.000First off, what I'm seeing with biological males and females is the overwhelming majority of people, of course, across the globe since the beginning of time, who are born So, like, if there's a hundred people here?
00:04:38.000I understand that's how gender theory is presented, certainly in gender studies on college campus.
00:04:42.000With intersex it's about 0.01% of the population and the vast majority of them, the vast majority of them don't require any kind of a sex change.
00:04:51.000That's actually not an accurate statistic.
00:08:35.000There's a PubMed, NCBI, and, and, like, this is a medical journal, so, I mean... Hold on a second, let me ask you, hold on a second, you know what?
00:09:14.000Now if you notice the shift, and I mean increase, in my enthusiasm, it's because I was intensely familiar with the PubMed paper he was attempting to cite, and by cite I mean blatantly misrepresent, and by blatantly misrepresent I mean lie about, and this is the real value of Change My Mind in the conversations being included in their full context unedited.
00:09:34.000It's one thing to be able to lie about numbers to unsuspecting students in order to score political points, it's another to face accountability in real time.
00:09:43.000So, let's rewind and zoom in and enhance on his screen.
00:09:49.000Unfortunately, the tech isn't good enough to get a crystal clear picture, but here's the actual PubMed article abstract.
00:09:55.000If the term intersex is to retain any meaning, the term should be restricted to those conditions in which chromosomal sex is inconsistent with phenotypic sex.
00:10:04.000or in which the phenotype is not classifiable as either male or female.
00:10:08.000Applying this more precise definition, the true prevalence of intersex
00:10:13.000is seen to be about 0.018%, almost 100 times lower than the Fausto Sterling estimate of 1.7.
00:10:23.000There's a debate about this, which is what we're having.
00:10:25.000Yeah, you can... No wonder the social justice warrior slash handler of Curious George shoved his phone back in his pocket faster than a crack pipe at the Bordello of Biden.
00:10:34.000Yeah, you can Google... But you didn't present it as a debate.
00:11:25.000Yeah, I'm just going to pull up the same blog.
00:11:27.000Now you're going back to NSE.org, you're going to Wikipedia.
00:11:29.000So my point is, look, you sit here and you spout numbers that are inaccurate.
00:11:34.000When you go to one legitimate medical journal, it says that it's actually a thousand times lower.
00:11:39.000So do we want to have a conversation about the topic at hand, or do you want to keep embarrassing yourself with wrong numbers?
00:11:46.000If you're going to accept that there are people in this world, no matter how rare that you think that they are, that you're going to allow to participate in sports... No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, Of course, I believe it's .018% according to... So there are people in this state, in this city, who would fit that categorization, and just because there are a small number of them, you're going to just kind of disregard the example?
00:12:21.000And what number of them require some kind of sex change?
00:12:23.000What number of them require... Why is that so threatening to you?
00:12:57.000percentage of the total population yeah, that are competing in sports
00:13:01.000as far as the categories that they enter they end up winning about 66%
00:13:05.000for example in track upwards of 90% in strength sports
00:13:09.000like powerlifting and olympic lifting that's significant
00:13:12.000So even though they make up 1% of the population when they enter into female sports, they overwhelmingly tend to dominate, and this is a very small sample size.
00:13:20.000So my question to you is, what do we do?
00:13:23.000Because you're supposed to sit here and change that.
00:13:24.000Are we going to start talking about genetics as it relates to people winning sports?
00:15:18.000You're going to great lengths to avoid the term winning a medal.
00:15:21.000I mean, hey, if you get second place and you're a spoiled brat about it, I think a lot of people would think you're kind of lame.
00:15:26.000Do you think that the Olympic silver medalist who took second place to Leah Thomas, who wouldn't be ranked top 500 in the male division, is being a spoiled brat?
00:16:31.000Yeah, what I'm saying is if you're so obsessed with certain types of people winning certain types of categories as if there's some sort of biological... Males and females?
00:16:43.000What do you mean that I'm an essentialist?
00:16:44.000That I believe biological males should compete against biological males?
00:16:47.000Well, I mean you just talk about biological males and females so much that it essentializes Gender into a binary that doesn't include all these people that we've just been talking about.
00:17:21.000I'm saying we should maybe stop taking sports so f***ing seriously and let people compete and create structures for competing that aren't so f***ing politicized.
00:18:02.000Because we just so happen to have talked to a female athlete, one of Leah Thomas' teammates, peers, if you will, at UPenn, to be exact, and here's what she had to say.
00:18:13.000That guy, Monticelli, seems to be uneducated.
00:18:16.000I would say that the way the rules are set up right now straight up deny women from equal educational opportunities in sport and discriminate against women by not recognizing the physical differences between men and women.
00:18:27.000And women shouldn't be forced to take a backseat in their own sport.
00:19:29.000This is the kind of delusional behavior which can only be exhibited by people who've evaded accountability or being beholden to any form of truth throughout their entire lives.
00:19:40.000That's long form for professional journalist.
00:19:43.000So, I mean, he pulled out some statistics.
00:19:45.000But what kind of behavior would you expect from someone who was fired for reporting fake news and is currently facing a defamation lawsuit?
00:19:53.000Now, granted, Mr. Montesmelli is innocent, until proven guilty, but he's also been accused of, and admitted to, making inappropriate sexual remarks to random women.
00:20:09.000I don't know, am I just being too harsh?
00:20:11.000Comment below and let Mr. Monticelli know what you think of his time in the spotlight.
00:20:17.000Now, luckily for the country, not everyone is like Mr. Monticelli over here, and in the final installment of our three-part series on this topic, we'll be able to get back to the basics of Change My Mind with some folks who were happy to take part, sit down, have conversations, and honestly made me glad to have done it.
00:20:33.000So come back Monday, April 11th, to check that out if you aren't already tuning in to The Daily Show at 10 a.m.