Alex Jones is back, and he's sick, which is a good thing. He's been sick for a while, but he's back and better than ever. And he's joined by Gerald and Dave, and they talk about a variety of topics.
00:04:01.000We'll be going through the Twitter files.
00:04:03.000And this is one of those things, since I wasn't here yesterday, we always say, if we don't hit it first, we try to hit it best, give you information that maybe some other people have missed.
00:04:09.000But men and women, it's a dynamic that we often discuss.
00:04:14.000And women, I know you'll often say, like, oh, it's just, you know, being hit in the nether regions as a man is the same as a woman being hit in the chest.
00:05:19.000Which, you know, of course you shouldn't ban that, but I think it's weird.
00:05:25.000So my question of the day to you is, as we move on, we'll be talking with Alex Jones about his interview with Ye, I apologize if I deadname today.
00:05:34.000But the question to you is, where do you rank Adolf Hitler in terms of worst dictators throughout history?
00:05:40.000To be really clear, Hitler, not a fan.
00:05:43.000And look, Alex Jones, you can accuse him of a lot of things.
00:05:46.000Being an anti-Semite, Not amongst them.
00:05:49.000If you have followed him, if you know anything about his history, that is not something that you would try and label him.
00:05:55.000So I think that this is one of those issues where there's been a dirty bomb that's gone off and a lot of miscommunications.
00:06:00.000And I think we always have to allow for the possibility that someone can be wrong, someone can be misled, and not necessarily be coming from a position of hate, even though what they say comes out as very hateful.
00:06:16.000You'll say a little bit more about this when we get there, but I think for the first time in history, Alex Jones was uncomfortable in an interview.
00:06:35.000And I filed for bankruptcy today, and this is worse.
00:06:39.000For crying out loud, him and Kanye, they lost, I guess I'm trying to think, they owe how many hundreds of millions of dollars, if you add it all up?
00:06:57.000Here is kind of, I don't have a lot of purity tests, just to be clear.
00:07:02.000But I will say this, when you look at some people on the right, if people try and completely eliminate you from the pool because of one opinion, in other words, I do see some people who say, oh, if you don't side with Kanye, that means that you refuse to name them, right?
00:07:16.000Some of these people who will say that out there, some of these actual anti-Semites.
00:07:22.000Maybe there are some people out there who think that someone like Ye, I'm gonna say Kanye West, think that Kanye West has some points that they maybe agree with and maybe they disagree with and maybe there's a conversation to be had and I do think that you can't silence everyone who has an opinion as anti-semitic, I agree with that, but I do think that he was off the beam, I think he was wrong and if you have people out there who say that one opinion disqualifies you and your entire body of work, those are bad actors.
00:07:49.000I think that you disqualify someone if the totality of their work, for example a Mitch McConnell, or for example we'll be talking today about a David French, about a Bill Kristol, about a Jonah Goldberg, if the entirety of their work is consistently to undermine the conservative principles and the foundations of this country that they claim to espouse, that's where their opinions are an eliminating factor as far as their validity.
00:08:11.000I have to be careful with the word eliminating!
00:08:15.000From the pool of opinions as far as voices that you trust.
00:08:19.000But it should never be based on just one opinion because you are going to disagree with every single person on earth, rabidly, on at least one topic.
00:10:09.000I understand that people shouldn't have bad self-esteem just because they're a little bit overweight, but they certainly shouldn't be looking to find their self-esteem and self-worth, or clout, in being morbidly obese.
00:10:18.000And then she goes on to say, and I'm hot.
00:11:02.000Unless you're trans, then of course the Barbie doll stereotype is completely acceptable.
00:11:07.000Look, this is the first generation of children who very likely will live shorter, a shorter lifespan than their parents.
00:11:15.000Diabetes is a problem that's on the rise.
00:11:17.000You look at cardiovascular incidents, and of course we won't even get into some of the reasons, some of the confounding factors there, some of the comorbidities, but we have all kinds of cardiac problems that were not manifesting themselves at a young age.
00:11:38.000That actually being morbidly obese is unhealthy and leads to, and then insert problems here.
00:11:43.000That's the issue, is these people have the eyes and ears of your children, and then your kids go to a public school where a teacher says, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's just as healthy as a liver king.
00:11:52.000And by the way, liver king is unhealthy.
00:11:54.000Believe me, I'm saying two extreme examples.
00:11:57.000And then when they go home and their mom is trying to feed them broccoli, they're like, but I don't need broccoli, I need to look like that.
00:12:24.000Unless the dame walks into the doctor's office with Gloria Aldred and he's like, you look beautiful and brave and just keep doing what you're doing.
00:13:13.000He was promoting Avatar The Way of Water.
00:13:19.000He had something to say and it's been going viral and there's something here that's more subversive that I again I hope people are understanding what it is that they're hearing so he told the Hollywood Reporter a lot of things I did earlier I wouldn't do career-wise and just risks that you take as a wild testosterone poisoned young man he went on to say I always think of testosterone as a toxin that you have to slowly work out of your your system and we'll get to the good qualities of
00:13:50.000testosterone great stuff i think the world could use some more of it yeah but of
00:13:53.000course let's keep in mind this is a trend of what happens you saw this with jonah
00:13:56.000goldberg right did super bad i'm not jonah goldberg jonah uh hill we'll talk about
00:13:59.000jonah goldberg later would any asshole by another name still be as much of an
00:14:04.000asshole so uh yes here is just a reminder of how he made his bones
00:14:11.000before he decided to tell all young men that uh they're poison i'll be back
00:14:45.000My point is, if you don't believe me, all the references are available at ladderwithcudder.com if you're not familiar with his back catalog.
00:17:30.000Now, if we want to say that abusive men, men who are violent immorally, because violence is amoral, but immoral violence, men who are undisciplined, men who, you know, men who make up a huge percentage of our prisons, Sure, those are bad men.
00:17:44.000But to say that masculinity is toxic, that's a problem.
00:17:47.000And then you start getting into the idea of fundamentally altering hormones.
00:17:51.000Let's get to testosterone and the kinds of things that testosterone does.
00:17:54.000Ladies, I'm not sure if you want testosterone to be continually dropping.
00:20:57.000If men don't have testosterone, they live shorter lives, they live weaker lives, they live more miserable lives, they're depressed, and we have a society that can't function.
00:21:05.000By the way, then women say, Where have all the good men gone to?
00:21:12.000They end up with a bunch of beta males and they're like, is there a good man to be found out there?
00:21:15.000Somebody who's maybe going to stick up for my honor when I'm not just going off and getting him into a fight on purpose in a bar or something like that.
00:21:22.000Or somebody who's going to defend our home if somebody should break in in the middle of the night and threaten harm to anybody that's in that residence.
00:21:33.000Fathers are the ones that can help men understand how to bridle that power and to turn it into something that is good.
00:21:39.000I remember the Gillette commercial that we covered maybe a year or two ago, I can't remember when it was, where boys were wrestling on the ground and they were saying, boys will be boys.
00:21:47.000And they kind of repeated it in this long kind of thing.
00:22:14.000Good example, we've talked about it with Joe Louis.
00:22:16.000Joe Louis could end all of our lives here.
00:22:19.000We live by his mercy, and he is incredibly sweet.
00:22:22.000And so we're grateful to our wonderful Lord Joe Louis that he doesn't go absolutely, you know, God forbid he develops epilepsy and watches anime at some point.
00:22:30.000But it's different from that in a Yorkshire Terrier, because guess what?
00:22:34.000When you have a robber in the middle, I know that Joe Louis is going to get to work.
00:23:14.000We'll be doing a Mug Club extended today with Alex Jones because I'm sure there's a lot that he has to say that we cannot discuss here on YouTube.
00:24:12.000He does, yeah, for playing the piano with his dong.
00:24:14.000So, on Monday, Vladimir Putin signed into law a new bill outlawing what they refer to as materials that promote LGBT... See, they don't go Q-A-I-P.
00:24:25.000I'm surprised it went with a T. Me too.
00:24:27.000They should have been like, LG, that's all you get.
00:25:35.000A man cannot accommodate a man unless you do something gross.
00:25:42.000So under the new law, individuals can be fined over $6,000 for what they refer to as LGBT propaganda, over $3,000 for demonstrations of LGBT causes, information that encourages a change of gender among teenagers.
00:25:57.000So here's the thing, some of that seems fair.
00:26:00.000And if we put that into effect here, we could just basically eliminate the national debt just from the fines to Disney.
00:26:10.000So, you can comment below on what you think about this, and if you can at least understand where they're coming from.
00:26:14.000Of course I don't think that anyone should be punished just for being gay.
00:26:17.000Of course I believe that everyone should have equal rights here in this country.
00:26:19.000I don't believe that marriage is a fundamental human right, but I believe in civil unions, and that's always been my position.
00:26:23.000But I certainly don't think that someone should be arrested for being gay, someone should be mistreated for being gay, someone should not enjoy the same rights as everyone else.
00:26:31.000But I do understand them right now trying to safeguard when they look in the United
00:26:34.000States and they see children being put on puberty blockers.
00:26:37.000When they see hyper-sexualized issues being taught to children ages kindergarten through
00:27:26.000They basically said for teenagers, if you're doing a public display for teenagers, in their mind, they cannot even imagine having kids involved in any of that.
00:27:34.000They're saying, no, this is a $3,000 something dollar fine if only they knew.
00:27:39.000It's like, no, but they're looking at us and going, I don't want to be that hellscape over there.
00:27:43.000But my point is, they must be missing something.
00:27:44.000They're sitting there at their large table going like, oh, they can't do this with teenagers.
00:29:21.000For people listening on audio, you can go and watch it over at Rumbler on YouTube because it makes no sense, but it involves Seagal and a leather choker and a seal.
00:30:31.000So, uh, Friday, of course, when he released the Twitter files, and the files were reported by an independent journalist, formerly of Rolling Stone, Matt Taibbi.
00:30:39.000There was a thread on his Twitter account.
00:30:41.000All the references are available at laduthcounter.com.
00:30:45.000But there's some other interesting facets here that I think some people have maybe missed.
00:30:49.000And I also think this has been really sort of valuable as a lightning rod to see who in the Republican Party should not be considered amongst our ranks.
00:31:21.000Some of these accounts that were banned, you have relatively small accounts, and they included what they claimed were sensitive pictures of Hunter Biden.
00:31:49.000It's the little stories sometimes that give you... And this is why I talk about when we do what we do, we're incredibly grateful that you have all joined and support us with Mug Club.
00:31:56.000I don't know that it's possible for people coming up today with the way big tech sensors to create what we've created.
00:32:02.000I don't know if there's a way for them to draft in behind us.
00:32:03.000That's a big part of what we're working on in the new year, to try and create an ecosystem where little guys actually have an opportunity like we did have in 2009, in 2010, 2012, before the algorithms changed it.
00:32:30.000So much more dangerous, because you're just kind of trimming this, and you're etching that out, and then you end up framing a narrative, and no one knows.
00:32:36.000It's the infer- you can't really prove a neg- or disprove a negative.
00:32:41.000Because he never knew that that story existed, and there's no way to find that story.
00:32:46.000That's what's so dangerous with all of this that I think a lot of people have maybe missed with the Twitter files.
00:32:51.000Something else that we obviously know, they were suppressing the laptop story, of course, on the grounds of it being hacked material.
00:33:06.000It was a lie with which Twitter was complicit.
00:33:10.000They claimed they thought it was hacked, and I thought, well, did they not just watch our show where Giuliani brought the laptop on air?
00:33:16.000No, we know, according to, and I want to go to you in a second, here's a quote former VP of Global Communications Brandon Borman wrote in an email, can we truthfully claim that this is part of the policy?
00:33:26.000As part of our approach to addressing potentially hacked material, we are limiting visibility of related stories on Twitter while our investigation is ongoing.
00:33:33.000Deputy General Counsel Jim Baker replied, I support the conclusion that we need more facts to assess whether the materials were hacked, meaning the Hunter Biden laptop story.
00:33:43.000At this stage, however, it is reasonable for us to assume that they may have been and that caution may be warranted.
00:33:50.000There are some facts that indicate that the materials may have been hacked, while there are others indicating that the computer was either abandoned and or the owner consented to allow the repair shop to access it for at least some purposes.
00:34:07.000When you look back through history, it's not, did people do?
00:34:12.000What they could do with the information that they had at that time.
00:34:14.000It's what other information was available at that time, and were there contrarians?
00:34:18.000Were there opposing viewpoints saying, hey, there is information available at this time which was discounted.
00:34:23.000For example, Anthony Fauci with AIDS saying that you could catch it because it was airborne, that a kid could catch it from his parents through a cereal box at their house.
00:34:29.000When other people were saying, no, no, no, no, no, it's primarily gay sex in the bathhouses that you attend.
00:36:19.000Yeah, but here's the other part of that.
00:36:20.000When he just said in the quote there, he's like, is there a way for us to hide behind this policy so that we can do what we already want to do in the first place?
00:36:41.000Can we hide behind the language in this policy?
00:36:43.000Well, there was, and by the way, there was a Democrat representative Who had a problem with this.
00:36:46.000So it was Ro Khanna, who was, by the way, connected to... Well, Ro Khanna obviously was connected with the Democrat Party, and contacted Twitter's lawyer, one of their top lawyers, that Vijaya Gadd.
00:36:57.000I'm pronouncing it incorrectly, but here's the thing.
00:36:59.000It doesn't matter, because she no longer matters.
00:37:08.000This throttling of the laptop story seems a violation of the First Amendment principles.
00:37:13.000If there is a hack of classified information or other information that could expose a serious war crime, and the New York Times was to publish it, I think that the New York Times should have that right.
00:37:21.000And this is even assuming that it was hacked, which it wasn't.
00:37:25.000So to restrict the distribution of that material, especially regarding a presidential candidate, seems not in keeping of the principles of New York Times versus Sullivan.
00:37:44.000Here's something that really, I would say, is most disconcerting to me.
00:37:48.000There are Republicans out there, there are people who want to tear down the conservative movement, who are trying to say that if you're a conservative and you're being a drama queen about the First Amendment, you don't understand the First Amendment.
00:38:00.000This is a private company, they can do whatever they want.
00:38:04.000Every single time something comes up from somebody on the right saying, we've been deplatformed, we have been shadow banned, we've been demonetized, it's like, well, sorry, you guys said free market, individual companies can do whatever they want, right?
00:38:23.000I mean, you might find someone who maybe like crapped his pants or something in the Senate a long time ago, but I don't think you're going to get much worse.
00:38:30.000In the coat room and didn't tell anybody?
00:38:31.000So, David French said that what Twitter did had nothing to do with the First Amendment.
00:39:37.000Then it says this isn't a systematic violation of the First Amendment.
00:39:41.000The First Amendment isn't implicated at all.
00:39:44.000This was not in any way a private company making a decision on their own.
00:39:48.000This was a private company doing the bidding By the way, flying in the face of all factual information that we had available to us in order to favor one political party who, by the way, controlled substantial portions of the government and we're seeking to control all portions of the government.
00:40:04.000Every coup that has happened throughout history has often historically been militarily, right?
00:40:09.000Someone has some kind of a coup through guerrillas, right?
00:40:13.000Or they somehow maybe subvert the military, get them to turn on their current leaders.
00:40:15.000Right now we're in an age of information!
00:40:20.000And so, if the opposing party, to Donald Trump, right, we're talking about, of course, Democrats, Pelosi was the Speaker still at that time, if they can get Twitter, Facebook, Google, YouTube to do their bidding, that's the equivalent to a military coup.
00:41:02.000I'm sure you know a lot about that, Billy.
00:41:04.000MAGA activists were getting riled up about leaked emails revealing the troll accounts were not allowed to post ill-gotten photos on a company platform.
00:41:20.000Okay, so we understand that you don't like Donald Trump.
00:41:23.000But if you say you were a Republican and you say the party left you, do you mean to say that you were never on board with at least the tenets of the Republican Party in theory that believe that government should be limited?
00:41:34.000That government should not infringe on personal liberties?
00:41:37.000That we believe, at the very least, in other words, you were a Republican fiscally, so then you would still have to believe In as much decentralized power as possible.
00:41:45.000So how can you say, I was a Republican, but I'm really glad that the government, that the DNC coordinated with the world's biggest tech platforms to censor a story that would have changed the outcome of the election.
00:41:55.000And here's another guy, Jonah Goldberg, who may be a decent man.
00:41:58.000I've spent some time with him very, very briefly.
00:42:02.000Never been a fan of the way that he presents his points of view, namely because he thinks that he's funny.
00:42:10.000So according to him, the story Hunter Biden, and this isn't just about Hunter Biden by the way, it's about the implication and the corruption and the stranglehold that foreign entities could have on a potential future president who is now the sitting former vice president.
00:42:26.000It wasn't just about Hunter smoking Parmesan cheese, that was the funny part, it was about the kickbacks to Joe Biden.
00:42:32.000It was about the liabilities that we would face as a country if someone is beholden to foreign entities, which we now somewhat see with Ukraine and amounts of cash pledged that seem to defy reason.
00:42:42.000So according to Jonah Goldberg, though, this story didn't matter at all because it wouldn't
00:42:46.000have changed anything, which is, of course, factually incorrect.
00:42:49.000Talk about A to C. They now think that if only the media had told us about the laptop
00:42:55.000at the time, as the kid yesterday was suggesting, which I don't buy his theory, that Trump would
00:43:45.000It's not just about the Hunter Biden laptop, okay?
00:43:47.000It's about the constant suppression of information.
00:43:50.000And not misinformation, suppression of information.
00:43:52.000For example, us, we had Kerry Lake on.
00:43:55.000Biggest election stream of all time, 2016.
00:43:57.000They decided we're not going to- sorry, 2016 and 2020.
00:44:00.000They said you're not going to be allowed to do midterms, so it ended up being the biggest election stream off of the platform that is YouTube.
00:44:06.000That suppression of information because Kerry Lake had a problem with the voting methodology specifically in a primary that she won.
00:44:14.000Who say, you know what, I don't think that keeping children at home for years with COVID is beneficial.
00:44:20.000I think the net negatives outweigh the net positives.
00:44:22.000In other words, it's not just about the Hunter Biden laptop story.
00:44:24.000How would the election landscape have changed when you take into account what, at this moment in time, okay, as the election was taking place, there was never going to be a vaccine, according to the DNC.
00:44:37.000Donald Trump didn't do anything for COVID.
00:46:25.000It shouldn't only be people who are currently in government, though the DNC encapsulates that too, but people seeking the most powerful role of government, namely the President of the United States.
00:46:36.000According to Tybee, just to be clear on this, by the way, who's not a conservative, this system wasn't balanced, it was based on contacts.
00:46:43.000Because Twitter was and is overwhelmingly staffed by people of one political orientation.
00:46:46.000There were more channels, more ways to complain, open to the left, far more, meaning Democrats, than the right.
00:46:53.000This is something, and by the way, keep in mind too, with all this misinformation going out there, and conservatives being suppressed, we need to be able to fight back.
00:47:18.000She was removed just for mentioning the Hunter Biden story.
00:47:21.000So when you have Twitter, who has provided protections under Section 230 as a public utility, and they are removing the people in government who are tasked with ensuring that you receive accurate information, at what point Do we say, okay, it's no longer a private entity.
00:47:38.000It used to be that the government was in a position of power and they would have strong men in industry, right, to enforce their unfair laws, legislation, right, to enforce what basically ended up benefiting those at the top.
00:48:22.000But when you have conservatives going out as apologists for Twitter, going out as apologists for Facebook, or demanding That other conservatives play ball with YouTube and that they make sure that they remain monetized.
00:49:02.000And that includes people who've been on this show.
00:49:03.000I'm actually really excited to have our next guest on the show.
00:49:06.000Before we bring him on here, we're going to have a stinger, and then we're going to have a brief introduction for those of you who missed the interview that had taken place with Ye and Alex Jones.
00:49:19.000There's so much to get through, and of course we'll be taking some of your questions as we go to Mug Club later on, but Just to be clear, hey, before we move on with this, just to be clear, please, by the way, hit the share button, hit the rumble button, hit like, whatever it is, Tim, that you want them to hit right now for the algorithms, because YouTube is not going to want you to see this.
00:51:07.000Well, CNN says white people are evil Nazis, so, I mean, I disagree with both statements, but I get the... Yeah, I don't like the word evil next to Nazis.
00:51:14.000I think we need to look at... Oh my goodness.
00:51:19.000Just because you don't like one group doesn't mean the other.
00:51:21.000I love Jewish people, but I also love Nazis.
00:52:46.000And I didn't say what he could talk about, but I said, can we just try to bring people together and, and, you know, talk about real issues like human trafficking and fentanyl and how you want to bring jobs back to America and really see the deeper side of you and not just soundbites.
00:53:01.000And they were like, yeah, in fact, he doesn't want to even get into that stuff.
00:53:04.000And then right away sitting in the same studio I'm in right now, Thursday, bam.
00:53:10.000And I thought he was joking at first and Here's the deal.
00:53:13.000He pulled up in front of the office and got out of the vehicle in the GIMP mask.
00:53:43.000And he, I don't think, has a very good historical knowledge about World War II either.
00:53:50.000So, I mean, he really is in love with all of that design, which so much of what the Nazis designed ended up being brought over with Operation Paperclip.
00:53:59.000So, if it's bad that he says he loves Hitler, then it's even worse that our own government brought tens of thousands of Nazis into World War II to run most of the major agencies.
00:54:26.000But it's something with which I'm familiar.
00:54:28.000And I remember you asked a very pointed question.
00:54:30.000You said you don't want to be that coming man.
00:54:32.000And it was very clear to me That regardless of where people line up here on any of this, and of course I'm anti-Hitler and I know that you are and I'm really glad the Allies beat the Nazis, he was not familiar with that.
00:54:42.000And so it does concern me that if he's going to go out and make these statements, were you concerned sort of understanding or being around his close inner social circle that they really aren't doing a good job in ensuring that he's informed when he goes out and discusses these issues?
00:54:59.000He is very forceful and has a big personality.
00:55:03.000And it's really hard to get a word in edgewise, kind of like Trump.
00:55:06.000And people think I have a big personality, but I'll actually be quiet sometimes, and I'm not putting him down for that.
00:55:30.000And they, you know, they talked about what the Nazis were like.
00:55:33.000And my mom's dad also worked on some black budget weapons programs in the
00:55:40.000fifties and sixties, and just said that he'd been in some military bases that
00:55:44.000had Nazis on them and they were very, very arrogant and he didn't like having
00:55:48.000to work with them in these, in these, some of these programs.
00:55:50.000I sound like eight years old hearing my grandfather in Austin, Texas, sitting around the kitchen table bitching about, you know, Nazis and working on secret weapons programs and how arrogant they were and how much he hated the government bringing them in here.
00:56:02.000So that's a real thing that's going on.
00:56:05.000So my dislike of Nazis really comes from my grandfathers, who both didn't like them very much.
00:56:13.000What was it when you had, obviously there's the numbers aspect because he's a huge name right now in the media.
00:56:18.000What was it that you were looking to achieve or what were you hoping would be the end goal?
00:56:24.000What would be the ideal scenario with this interview with Ye?
00:56:27.000Because obviously it went viral across the media, but bringing him in, what were you hoping was going to come of it?
00:56:34.000Well, while I was listening to you do a great job at breaking down that This whole Hunter Laptop thing and the Twitter files are a lot bigger than just Hunter Biden.
00:56:43.000It's everything they've been censoring.
00:56:45.000I was thinking, what do I want to say about Ye first?
00:57:50.000But there's a real creepy factor with this Hitler stuff.
00:57:53.000Then I also noticed that Richard Spencer came out and said, yay, blew Jones away because Jones is really controlled
00:58:00.000by the liberal narrative that Hitler's bad.
00:58:03.000But those of us that know the dark, powerful beauty of Hitler and of the darkness and of the strength,
00:58:09.000and it's like some homoerotic thing over Hitler, that is kind of what's going on.
00:58:14.000There's this Hitler fetish and no, I'm not into dudes in fancy peacock military uniforms that,
00:58:20.000by the way, got 22 million Germans killed.
00:58:24.000So the biggest killer of Germans in history, if you like Germanic people, and I'm, you know, I'm basically half German, have a lot of German roots, is Hitler.
00:59:19.000Stalin, I hate Fidel Castro, I hate Hugo Chavez, I love George Washington, I love Thomas Jefferson, I love American strength, and freedom, and power, and Christianity, and open societies, and capitalism, and free speech, and I want it back now!
00:59:34.000So burn in hell, Hitler, and Stalin, and Mao!
01:00:26.000But he did go out of his way to praise actions of Hitler while condemning actions of Jews in this sort of general monolith, and he did actively deny the Holocaust.
01:00:37.000So to act as though it was an equivalency of, I love everybody, that's not what happened with that interview.
01:00:41.000Now, if people out there want to say, hey, he has every right to love Hitler, of course.
01:00:45.000And if you say, I agree with him when he says he loves Hitler and that the Holocaust didn't happen, fine.
01:00:50.000But to act as though there was this equivalency, you know, on your show, in its totality.
01:00:54.000Sure, he said he loved everyone, but he did have specific praise for some totalitarian dictators.
01:01:01.000Well, he said, he said, I love Hitler.
01:01:11.000But he, um, I did, it was one of those things where, let me ask you this, do you think that ultimately it kind of ends up hurting, it kind of ends up hurting people who are out there advocating for free speech when we're saying we are not Nazis and the guy goes out and just puts on a mask and says actually I do love Nazis and actually the Holocaust doesn't happen.
01:01:28.000It does make it hard for people out there because look, you're a lot of things Alex, an anti-Semite is not one of them if people have looked at you historically.
01:01:35.000I don't even think many people have leveled that accusation against you.
01:01:37.000If anything, you've seen anti-Semites, people who legitimately hate Jews.
01:01:41.000And I don't mean people who don't believe that we should be sending a bunch of money to Israel.
01:01:44.000I mean people who legitimately hate Jews have accused you of being controlled Jewish opposition for a very long amount of time.
01:02:34.000Do I like the ADL trying to take our free speech?
01:02:36.000No, I'm a big critic of the ADL and they single me out At their big events just two weeks ago with the head of Pfizer and two years ago with Sacha Baron Cohen saying, I'm evil, I'm dangerous, I need to be silenced.
01:02:49.000But there's all sorts of groups trying to silence my speech, not just the ADL.
01:02:53.000So it's really what it is with these groups is.
01:02:57.000And by the way, to be clear, just so people don't say, when we say these groups, we mean anti-freedom groups and we don't just mean, we do not mean Jewish people.
01:03:03.000Just to be clear, George Soros is a second generation atheist.
01:04:00.000And so Again, if there was some country with a billion and a half Jews in it, and they were promoting freedom, and like America used to be, I'd try to go move there.
01:04:11.000But if there was a country of a billion and a half Jews promoting world government and death camps and forced injections, I would say, I'm against that regime.
01:04:19.000Not because they're Jewish, but because it's authoritarian.
01:04:26.000We are engraved in I hate the Communist Chinese Party because my heart goes out to the Chinese people.
01:04:38.000I think Gerald has a question for you, and I appreciate you taking the time, because I know that was a tough seat to be in, Alex.
01:04:46.000There was a moment on your face where you looked like the Boom Goes the Dynamite kid, where you were like, Yeah, so I just wanted to dive into the Christian thing just a little bit, because people are conflating this Christianity thing with people on the far right that espouse these anti-Semitic views, and even Ye said, you know, I love everybody.
01:05:09.000You said, not that you love everybody, that you're a Christian, right?
01:05:12.000Just declaring, like, I am a Christian, I don't like these things.
01:05:15.000Christ said he loved the sinner but hated the sin, right?
01:05:19.000He always called people out for their sins.
01:05:21.000Just to be clear, did Kanye call Hitler out for any of his sins on your show?
01:05:25.000Well, let's be clear, and that's what Kanye didn't get, which is why I'm not trying to put him down, but I don't think he has a fifth-grade education about the Nazis.
01:05:33.000And I'm going to try to meet with him again and actually show him some real history of Hitler's own writings.
01:05:53.000It's like, you might have a Texas thing and then an American flag thing or an army thing.
01:05:57.000Yeah, yeah, they co-opted it. And sure, the Catholic Church was taken over by the Nazis. I
01:06:04.000mean, they ran Italy, they ran Germany. So they went along with it. I'm not defending the Catholic
01:06:09.000Church. But the idea that Hitler was a Christian or that Hitler was born a Christian and all this
01:06:14.000stuff, Adolf Hitler was a deep occultist in his own writings, in his own words. That's why they
01:06:20.000used runes in their uniforms. Everything he did was about, once they had a worldwide Aryan master
01:06:28.000race in control of all the slave races, the ubermensch over the little slaves, the supermen
01:06:35.000over the slaves, they were going to eradicate Christianity.
01:06:38.000They want an earth worship, blood and soil.
01:06:42.000If you want to see what they did, there's footage now on Twitter of Ukrainian Azog battalions cutting themselves, getting in a tomb, a six-foot grave, Bleeding into the blood, getting out, hailing you-know-who, but they hail Odin, and then they go over, put their hands on Odin, they've all got swastikas on their arms.
01:07:02.000That's a real blood and soil Nazi ritual that Hitler invented that the SS did.
01:07:07.000So when you see the Azog Battalion, they're doing SS rituals, they're not Christian.
01:07:12.000They're co-opted Norse, Germanic, Yeah, one of the other reasons that I know these groups are not Christian, Alex, is because the entire Bible from the very beginning to the very end is God's redemption plan for us, but specifically the Jewish people, and God is not done with them.
01:07:30.000He promises them an opportunity to come back and have a final chance.
01:08:19.000That's why there has to be a Holocaust denial component.
01:08:22.000And this is, first off, before I move on to this, because there's so much to unpack here, Alex, how do you think the press has covered it?
01:08:29.000And I don't mean you, I think that, I don't mean, of course they'll try and tar and feather you, but I'm saying, do you think that this, the way the press has said that, hey, Kanye West, yay on Alex Jones, went off and was very obviously incredibly anti-Semitic, Do we think that in this case, was the press partially right?
01:08:46.000In other words, are they completely misrepresenting it?
01:08:48.000Or when you were sitting there, did you feel as though this is probably not productive for him?
01:09:33.000And I just really think at the end of the day that that's not the case.
01:09:35.000The left have adopted so many of the actual Nazi tactics of control and their whole system of lockdowns.
01:09:44.000What we see in China, big groups of people by the tens of thousands being marched together, being led by one Pied Piper in the whole white, white medical uniform.
01:09:53.000That's the real type of ideology that the Nazis were striving for and we know that Hitler and of course Joseph Goebbels wrote about how, this is public, they wanted to take over England and kill HG Wells and kill Bertrand Russell and others because HG Wells and Bertrand Russell had a competing authoritarian world government leftist model That the Nazis were competing with and they saw themselves, as you said, as socialist, but a different brand of it.
01:10:23.000And so I happen to know for a fact that the left and the tactic, that's what George Orwell wrote in 1984 about.
01:10:28.000George Orwell was number two in the propaganda arm of British intelligence in World War II.
01:10:33.000He'd been a communist before that in the Spanish Civil War and been a hero and heavily wounded.
01:10:38.000But then when he actually got at the top of the British socialist society and recognized that That actually Stalin was being funded by the West.
01:10:49.000It was actually a war against the individual in the future and that Hitler had been wound up by British intelligence, not run by them, but actually built up and given power and funding early by the big banks.
01:11:01.000He realized that There was a global authoritarian system that operated under different names, but basically had the same goal, total power and control.
01:11:09.000And the reason I know that is not just reading 1984 probably eight, nine times, but I've read the writings, the essays in several big compendiums of George Orwell, right before he died in 1949.
01:11:24.000But he died about a year and a half later.
01:11:26.000And so George Orwell had this view of it as well.
01:11:29.000He thought the Nazis were the ultimate evil.
01:11:31.000He fought them before World War II in Spain and against Franco.
01:11:35.000And then he later learned there was a more evil group of Fabian socialists, British intelligence, basically Spectre, what you see in the James Bond movies.
01:11:45.000James Bond is Spectre, and I'm not saying all of British intelligence, but that British empire model that merged with America at Bretton Woods, and then America became the world empire at that point, that system is full spectrum dominance, where they want to control all the major groups and then play them off against each other in a Hegelian dialectic.
01:12:03.000First off, I do encourage people No, no, no.
01:12:05.000I do encourage people to go and research Orwell, and also, by the way, the Catalonians, because this is something where people will try and use it as an example of successful socialism, right?
01:12:13.000In the 1930s, say, oh, anarcho-syndical socialism.
01:12:15.000Go read what happened with Orwell and read how that collapsed, and the kinds of pressures, and basically there were still factions of warring socialists, because I was taught that in university.
01:12:23.000I was taught that in college, that that was a good example of socialism, which lasted all but under half a decade.
01:12:28.000The other thing is, Kanye West said, if you're Terminator 1, he's Terminator 10.
01:12:31.000I don't think he understands how Progressively shittier the Terminator sequels have gotten after Terminator 2, so that's actually a compliment to you.
01:12:39.000Look, you know that I disagree with you on some things, and I agree with you on a lot, disagree with you on some, but I do think you're very consistent in your approach to what you believe morally to be correct and incorrect.
01:12:51.000Here's my issue with some of the stuff that's going on with Ye, and I don't believe there's hate in his heart.
01:12:57.000Like you said, I think that there's probably some ignorance because And the reason I hold out hope is I see him, he's very pro-life, and he talks about eugenics, and he talks about Sanger and Planned Parenthood, and the genocide that's taking place against black babies, but then he doesn't seem to draw the connection that that is something, of course, that Hitler was incredibly enthusiastic about and permeated our abortion policies today.
01:13:20.000Hitler said Margaret Sanger's book was his Bible.
01:13:25.000And they used Margaret Sanger and the Cold Springs Harbor, New York, Rockefeller-run eugenics laboratory as their defense at Nuremberg because it had been the Rockefellers and Margaret Sanger that helped set up the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in the late 1920s that then funded Hitler and was the brain trust of the Nazi race sciences.
01:14:33.000And find the full interview and actually see it for themselves in context.
01:14:39.000I can't bring myself to go watch it again because I can't stand watching myself, but I've watched a lot of excerpts and...
01:14:44.000I just think what happened was he decided to go all the way.
01:14:48.000He decided to try to be as shocking as possible and say, screw the world.
01:14:52.000And then once he started pressing on the dopamine button of saying the things he said, he just couldn't stop.
01:14:59.000And so it became, you know, just a situation of redlining the engine the entire time he was on.
01:15:07.000Yeah, yeah, it seems like that might be the case.
01:15:11.000All right, well look, I actually do want to ask you about some things that we probably have to discuss on Mug Club only.
01:15:16.000Let me just leave this one thing, because I do think this is important, because look, we do know that you have many Jewish fans, I have many Jewish fans, and by the way, I don't just mean Zionists.
01:15:24.000I mean, there are Jewish libertarian fans who believe, who support Israel, certainly
01:15:28.000in contrast to Hamas and Iran and people who want to wipe them off the face of the map
01:15:32.000but think that we shouldn't be providing as much foreign aid.
01:15:34.000I don't believe that that's anti-Semitic.
01:15:36.000I do think it's important, and I think what happens is people are imprecise when they
01:15:40.000It's very different from, for example, black Americans or if you, for example, you mentioned
01:15:45.000sort of people from Mexico, Mexican Americans.
01:15:48.000Jew can mean, a Jewish person can be Jewish by faith, meaning they practice a faith.
01:15:53.000They can be Jewish by ethnicity, and they can be Jewish by culture.
01:15:56.000And to lump them all in, there is a very big difference between yes, I do think there's a conversation to be had about the secularists In the entertainment industry, and if someone wants to conflate that with anti-Semitism, what they're doing is saying, oh, is it because you're saying because they're Jewish?
01:16:11.000I'm saying for the same reason that there are plenty of non-Jewish people in the entertainment industry who are involved with grooming, who are involved with, by the way, the degeneracy of society.
01:16:21.000The only reason that there tend to be people who are largely atheist Jews in the entertainment industry, or for example, in banks, which compared to them as a percentage of the population, is true. It's for the same reason that there are plenty of
01:16:31.000Jewish doctors and scientists and Asian doctors and scientists because they're
01:16:34.000very hard-working, industrious people who value studying, who
01:16:38.000value higher education, and who value those fields of work. We need to
01:16:42.000be clear when people are discussing these things that there's a huge difference. So
01:16:45.000let me elaborate on that before you switch to Mug Club because I think this is very important.
01:16:49.000The left has wrapped itself in we're Captain America, we're fighting the Nazis,
01:16:56.000That's made a lot of people get mad and say, okay, screw you, I'm a Nazi.
01:17:00.000I think that's what's happening with Nick Fuentes and people like Kanye West.
01:17:04.000But I'll tell you, I've been attacked massively by the ADL, all these other groups, and they wrap themselves in, we're Jews, and then they attack me in the name of Jews, which is then making a lot of people think, well, Alex Jones is good, you must be bad.
01:17:18.000So I know there are a lot of Jews out there, conservative Jews and others, that have sent letters to the ADL saying, leave Tucker Carlson alone, stop calling him an anti-Semite, it's not true, or stop calling Donald Trump an anti-Semite, it's preposterous, he's a great friend of Israel.
01:17:31.000And so it's the weaponization of the left that is actually giving support to real Nazis
01:17:54.000So I'm not defending any of the censorship, any of that.
01:17:57.000I'm just simply saying the left weaponizing World War II that ended 76 years ago, 77
01:18:04.000however many years ago, is very, very dangerous.
01:18:07.000And the left's saying at universities, the national news, you cover it more than anybody, that being white's inherently bad and teaching courses on that is going to then make Nazis sound legitimate because here's a bunch of leftist academics and Hollywood people, a lot of Jews, Literally trying to teach the majority minorities, who are now the majority, that, oh, white people who aren't a certain, you know, religious group, you know, white people except Jews, are all bad people.
01:19:27.000No, exactly, it's not a monolith, and people need to be clear about that, and I think that we need to be able to have honest conversations about all of these issues, and I just, sometimes I think that it's overshadowed when someone is, like you said, if you were, I don't think you were roped in to any kind of publicity stunt, as you said, I don't think you were used, I think you're clever enough to not allow that to happen.
01:19:44.000I knew it was a danger, but I believed it wasn't going to happen.
01:19:47.000I would have much rather had it been a big story, and it had been a coming together and an awakening, and then have a relationship with Ye, instead of him blowing up like a sun-going supernova and burning himself up.
01:19:59.000I mean, he didn't really hurt him for worse.
01:20:12.000And, you know, he knows the history here, and so...
01:20:16.000I'm gonna have a debate with Fointest, not a mean debate, but I'm gonna get my history, he can get his history, and we're gonna have a debate about this because, you know, to admit the truth about World War II, look, I mean, I told the story when they were here.
01:20:26.000My grandfather, his dad was German, most of the rest of the family had been in Texas forever, but his dad still spoke some German and was only like second generation in Dallas, and they were rich Germans up there, and he owned the big Chevy dealership, all the rest of it, and they lived next to a super rich German who was first generation, who moved here as a kid, who was the inventor, one of the main inventors, of refrigeration.
01:20:47.000He had big patents on air conditioning.
01:20:48.000He was super rich, the equivalent of a billionaire today.
01:20:50.000And in the fanciest part of Dallas, he owned like a 100-acre complex.
01:20:55.000And my grandfather would go over there and he would tinker and work in this guy's invention shop.
01:21:00.000The reason my grandfather, after World War II, got into inventing and stuff and was involved in some different projects.
01:21:05.000And he watched this guy who had blonde hair, by the way, blue eyes, totally German, you know, I quote, Aryan.
01:21:09.000He watched that guy From the early 30s up until my grandfather went off the Army Air Corps and he watched that guy get totally depressed.
01:21:22.000Become reclusive, and I think he told me, he only told me the story twice, commit suicide later, was because he later learned the Nazis over the decade that they were in power, from 33 or, you know, up, were threatening to kill his German relatives in Germany if he didn't secretly give him all their money.
01:21:38.000So that's what the Nazis did, is they were the most cutthroat.
01:21:42.000At the end of the war, they probably would have won if they didn't spend half their time running around stealing all the art, including the drapes!
01:21:50.000They had whole giant cave systems that they had people build just to put the hordes of loot in.
01:21:56.000I mean, they were... And by the way, if the people back then, this is the thing, it's one of those things where people today Monday morning quarterback and say, I think they did a lot of good things.