On this episode of Louder With Crowder, the guys talk about the closing arguments in the OJ trial, Maxine Waters case, and more. Plus, we have a special guest on the show, Ben Askren.
00:01:53.000I was expecting something else, but because of our boycott of Coke, we can't have any Topo Chico, so I have something that tastes like cherry syrup put into old pond water.
00:02:31.000The elements of the crime of murder in the second degree, while committing a felony, are... So on the last day of the trial, he's giving more instructions.
00:02:39.000Well, I mean, this is before deliberation.
00:02:40.000It's like after putting your bed that turns into a bookcase together, and I'm like, let me check out the Swedish instructions.
00:04:53.000For 30 minutes, and then so weedy, and then something doggy, and then Justin Bieber ironically earned the respect of all Americans in being the least offensive part of that broadcast.
00:05:02.000Here's a montage just so you have a little idea and we're trying to keep it family friendly.
00:05:54.000She comes out wearing a mesh bodysuit.
00:05:55.000I'm not even talking about Victoria's Secret, Fredericks of Hollywood.
00:05:58.000I'm talking about, like, you know, you pull off the side of the road, and it's what used to be a warehouse that says, you know, like, Mr. Bindi's Naughty Treats.
00:06:45.000Give your kids you can give your kids a curfew like I told you eight o'clock like hey mom Is this not you spreading your butt cheeks?
00:06:53.000Yeah, I have more evidence actually well in fairness though Elvis did spread his butt cheeks wide open for Jailhouse Rock There was a whole shower scene they didn't show it's the part that I never loved to tell you about but I think he fared well because he does jiu-jitsu man and It's empowering, Steven.
00:11:07.000That's not... But let's do it also with a gym bag because I want to go through all of these where some people are saying, well, it could be any of the above.
00:12:38.000We have active-duty law enforcement in our organization that are helping to train us.
00:12:44.000We can blend in with our law enforcement.
00:12:46.000In fact, in a lot of cases, our training is much more advanced because of our military backgrounds.
00:12:51.000There's nothing I love more than my AR-15 and my chainsaw, and I don't know which one I like more.
00:12:57.000Jim Arroyo invited us to a meeting to see for ourselves.
00:13:00.000The crowd, mostly retirees, meet twice a month to talk about how to survive disasters like forest fires, attacks on the power grid, and civil war.
00:13:12.000So that's why we talk about civil unrest, civil war.
00:14:33.000I think that conservatives need to acknowledge, and we've been talking about this, and sometimes people get mad when you say, well, not all police officers are corruption-free.
00:17:55.000Well, National Guard troops providing security for residents in the area of Penn Avenue and Broadway in Minneapolis this morning were shot at at 4.19 a.m.
00:18:04.000The guards said the gunshots came from a white SUV towards a Minnesota National Guard and Minneapolis police team providing neighborhood security in that area.
00:18:13.000The two National Guard troops suffered minor injuries.
00:18:16.000One National Guard member had to go to a hospital for treatment of lacerations from shattered glass.
00:18:22.000And final thing I want to show before we go here to the closing arguments and then cover it live.
00:18:27.000Look, if Donald Trump was kicked off of all big tech platforms and people try to say that he incited violence, Maxine Waters needs to be federally charged and impeached.
00:18:37.000This is not the first time that this has happened.
00:18:40.000Here's just a few of her greatest hits.
00:19:49.000Now, if Donald Trump gets in trouble for saying, fight like hell, and then telling them to protest peacefully, keep in mind, too, when Donald Trump said that, that was a group of hundreds of thousands of people.
00:19:56.000There had never been A massive violent right-wing protest.
00:20:08.000This was after billions of dollars in damages and dozens of people killed and hundreds of officer casualties.
00:20:15.000Maxine Waters has seen the violence, has seen the carnage and has encouraged it.
00:20:19.000And even worse, none of the other Democrats have said anything.
00:20:22.000They've all fallen silent because they want this jury right now to convict.
00:20:26.000They are trying to, wherever you line up, What we do have to agree upon is in this justice system, you cannot have coercion with what's supposed to be an independent jury.
00:20:36.000Okay, let's go to these closing arguments.
00:20:40.000A grown man crying out for his mother.
00:20:44.000No, he was crying out for his cracked-out girlfriend, Mama.
00:20:47.000That's how she was listed in his cell phone, by the way.
00:20:51.000Doesn't mean it's less sad, it just means that he right now knowingly lied.
00:21:23.000He said them to someone who he did not know by name, but he knew him from the
00:21:31.000uniform he wore and the badge he wore.
00:21:35.000Hey, by the way, this is also false because, remember, they tried to say that they worked at the same club together and that Derek Chauvin was out to get him.
00:22:52.000And do you know whether at that point there's any evidence to suggest that there was a respiratory depressant such as fentanyl on board in his system?
00:23:03.000So again, just letting you know, this false narrative, called for his mother, no he didn't, called for his girlfriend, who would do drugs with him, and his last words were, those were his words leading up until his requests to be put on the ground.
00:23:49.000It was a call because he gave a $20 counterfeit bill.
00:23:52.000It was a kid at the shop who could see that he was likely high out of his mind, knew it was a counterfeit $20 bill, was intimidated, and kindly approached George Floyd two times to either give him back the pack of cigarettes or the $20.
00:24:05.000In which scenario, George Floyd bullied the kid and brushed him off.
00:24:10.000And so the kid, who felt guilty for calling the cops, not wanting to lose an hour of his pay, said, look, this guy is giving out counterfeit $20 bills.
00:24:23.000And he had several opportunities to make it right.
00:24:26.000I do agree with you there, and the first time that they went in with a counterfeit 20, his friend, if it was about a counterfeit 20, the cops would have been called then.
00:26:47.000The medical examiner would find the cause of George Floyd's death to be cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual restraint and neck compression.
00:27:04.000What you saw the defendant and the other officers doing to George Floyd caused his death.
00:27:13.000The medical examiner ruled the death a homicide.
00:27:18.000Again, we've been really clear about this.
00:27:20.000I don't even have this in front of me.
00:27:21.000For people who haven't been following this and you don't know, if you're just tuning into this for the first time, they have to rule it something as far as a cause of death.
00:27:32.000That doesn't mean homicide in the way that you know it to be, and they actually had the witnesses testify, and they were very clear about that.
00:27:38.000So they know right now, they're throwing this out, so people go, oh, homicide!
00:28:10.000Well, imagining a police officer committing a crime might be the most difficult thing you have to set aside, because that's just not the way we think of police officers.
00:28:21.000Why are you hiding in a pond with box turtles?
00:28:38.000I want you to consider that even after, with the bystanders, after they saw what they saw, after they saw this shocking display of abuse of police power and a man murdered in front of them, Genevieve Hanson, She called the police.
00:29:32.000The victim was a kid who had two counterfeit 20s, who called the cops, just wanted it to be... And then he had an unruly, super, super high, violent George Floyd.
00:29:40.000Just like when we talk about Jacob Blake.
00:30:49.000Because it doesn't mean that anyone deserves to die, just to be clear.
00:30:52.000George Floyd did not deserve to die, okay?
00:30:55.000Jacob Blake, I would argue at that point, look, you're reaching for a knife, kinda dude deserved to die at that point.
00:30:59.000However, anytime you are committing a crime and you actively and violently resist arrest, you are consciously forfeiting your right to live because you now understand that the odds of a complication go up.
00:31:12.000And that's something we need to be teaching everybody watching, is if you commit a crime and you actively resist arrest, which is now, you're now committing another crime, usually a violent crime, right?
00:31:22.000If you're resisting arrest, you forfeit your right to live in the sense that you have to accept the ramifications of those actions.
00:31:28.000It shouldn't happen, but accidents happen.
00:31:31.000And if you disagree with that, you're saying that the officer doesn't have a right to go home to their family that night.
00:32:08.000Matter of fact, we have Clip R, use of force expert, very broad.
00:32:12.000Brought up that he was justified in his restraint.
00:32:13.000Again, because this is, you can find it.
00:32:15.000It's not even something that's like one of those hidden techniques like Steven Seagal, like, oh, this is the technique that I don't teach because it's too dangerous.
00:33:01.000And can you just briefly overview your opinions in this particular case?
00:33:06.000I felt that Derek Chauvin was justified and was acting with objective reasonableness following Minneapolis Police Department policy and current standards of law enforcement and his interactions with Mr. Floyd.
00:33:20.000So it's easy to sit and judge in an office on an officer's conduct.
00:33:26.000It's more of a challenge to, again, put yourself in the officer's shoes to try to make an evaluation through what they're feeling, what they're sensing, the fear they have, and then make a determination.
00:33:38.000Also, really quick, you guys can bring it up.
00:33:39.000This restraint was used, what, 200-something times since 2016 or 2019?
00:33:43.000So it's been used hundreds of times to act as though this is an outlier.
00:34:56.000This is laying the trap right now, where if people, and any reasonable person goes, well look, come on, this wasn't on purpose, this wasn't premeditated murder, they now have this backrest, they now have this backdrop of, oh, but wait a second, he did it on purpose, so anything other than first-degree murder?
00:37:10.000I don't, I don't do, right, it'd be like me right now going, well, I guess, you know, instead of this, I'm gonna do a no spin zone and go to O'Reilly because people are like, ah, someone says, I want you to do Bill O'Reilly.
00:43:20.000I want to hear him justify now that he required being on the ground where it was far more comfortable than the back of a full-size Expedition.
00:43:27.000He just wasn't able to bring himself to do it.
00:44:54.000Everything George Floyd said was a lie.
00:44:56.000Everything this lawyer has said thus far is a lie.
00:44:58.000And I'm not saying that they don't have a case.
00:45:00.000But he's not going with the case because the witnesses never really, it never really went that well for the prosecution, including their own witnesses!
00:45:08.000But they pulled him out of a small car.
00:46:46.000You can get in the glove box, you little man.
00:46:48.000You'll get in there and your legs will be dangling like the Oscar Mayer commercial.
00:46:55.000My baloney has a first name and I spell I can't breathe.
00:47:00.000...and a reasonable officer in the defendant's place with all his training and all his experience, including that 40-hour crisis intervention course and a subsequent refresher course, should have known that and should have recognized it.
00:47:23.000Well, it's not about working up the courage to be arrested.
00:47:28.000His argument here should be, the cops should have completely disregarded George Floyd's feelings and shoved him in the back of that car and kept him there until he was drawing lines on the wall like the Count of Monte Cristo.
00:47:37.000He should have been Edmund Duntess in the back of that car.
00:47:39.000That's what they should be saying, but right now, they're making the case against themselves, saying, he couldn't get in the back of the car, okay, so he had to go on the ground.
00:47:45.000He shouldn't be on the ground, so you're saying he should just go free when he commits a crime.
00:47:58.000That's the only reason why this guy may be, you know, he may be partially responsible, but that's a large part is you can't, like you have to get him in there.
00:50:32.000And could you describe that kick and how that might be interpreted by a reasonable police officer?
00:50:38.000Yes, so the officers were still attempting to control Mr. Floyd at the time and as they were trying to place him down in a prone position, I believe one of the officers was attempting to control his legs and Mr. Floyd kicked their arms away in an attempt to try to possibly um break free from from the officer's uh grasp oh but then after that he said he said thank you after he kicked them and they got him down on the ground by request he said thank you by the way little known fact they can't arrest you if you say pretty please true was that uh cedric the entertainer's brother cedric the explainer it was cedric cedric cedric don't count your tips in public cedric
00:54:02.000Yeah, I don't know what they were supposed to do.
00:54:03.000And if he couldn't bring himself to get in the car the first time, lawyer, you just said this, do you think magically the second time he's going to?
00:54:42.000And certainly not if you've committed several violent crimes, like robbing a woman in front of her kids in the house.
00:54:46.000I mean, like, this is not a guy... This is also something you need to... Can we also agree here, too, with the George Floyd, Eddie Haskelling a little bit?
00:54:54.000The kind of guy who has... who's already stepped over the line of robbing a woman at gunpoint, scoping out a woman who's alone with her toddler in the house, robbing her at gunpoint, roughing her up, and then when an officer... you know, you're acting like Michael Clarke Duncan.
00:55:34.000They're seeing what the prosecution wants them to see, which is all bullshit.
00:55:37.000As a matter of fact, a perfect example of that is here's a witness who is saying that George Floyd, this is clip I, said, never said, I never heard him say, I ate too many drugs.
00:55:47.000And him being presented with something that he couldn't possibly have heard from their smartphone amidst yelling of how you would F the officer up if you were in that situation.
00:55:54.000So this is a perfect example of why you can't just believe what you're seeing, your angle, your vantage point, what you're able to hear.
00:57:50.000He's actively trying to eliminate the most relevant evidence that could only come out in court to say, let's go back to when you first saw the video and you felt really emotional.
00:58:00.000That's how you should charge this guy.
00:58:02.000Let me go back to hear what he's saying now.
00:58:03.000That common sense or is that nonsense?
00:58:55.000Had he been clean, straightened up, and flied right?
00:58:57.000Or was he with Mama, crack girlfriend, crack fiend girlfriend, who talked about them doing drugs, and he built up a tolerance so much that he was willing to pass counterfeit $20 to get his next hit?
00:59:11.000Because now if you're saying, ignore all the new evidence, ignore that Mama was his girlfriend, that he was doing drugs, okay, well then we go back to the fact that he was clean.
00:59:19.000Well, the mean overdose level of fentanyl is 3.1.
01:00:16.000I think that George Floyd along with a lot of people are just simply you get somebody who's a drug addict at the end of his rope he has no hope he has nowhere to go he's really not gonna turn around and change to be a better part of society because frankly he kind of can't.
01:00:28.000I know that's hard to believe, but he's just at a point in his life where he's out of options.
01:00:32.000At this point, we've shut down most of the country, where we're now riling up people who feel like they're useless, they don't have any value, they're completely out of options, and now we're telling them to burn down cities.
01:00:41.000We're telling them they're not worthy, and we're telling them not only that, but that they are, in fact, this man.
01:01:14.000Look, you're someone who you've been open about, that you were an addict, and I think everyone has a choice at some point, and this is George Floyd who chose this right now.
01:01:21.000Look, there are several choices there.
01:01:22.000Counterfeit 20s, doing drugs, hanging around with the same people, committing more crimes.
01:01:27.000There are people who've had worse stories than George Floyd who've come out of it.
01:01:30.000I never believe that someone is completely out of options, and certainly not from what I've read with George Floyd.
01:01:34.000He opted for that because it was the easier money.
01:01:37.000No, I think he believed it, that's my point.
01:01:39.000I'm not saying that he was, but I think he believed that.
01:01:41.000Right, well, why do you think he believes it?
01:01:43.000Because people like Maxine Waters tell him that's your only option.
01:01:45.000Because people like Joe Biden say that's your only option.
01:01:47.000White people bad, everyone's holding you down, everyone's holding you back.
01:01:50.000They don't tell you, look, right now in places in Florida they are paying you $50 to show up for a job interview at McDonald's.
01:01:56.000We can have the news team back there, in fact, bring it up, $50 to show up for an interview.
01:02:31.000And it's treated as punishment, and I understand that because a lot of it is a crime, but when you are a drug felon and all that, you know, everything that he had happening to him, it is very, very hard to make a transition to think you're not useless.
01:02:45.000Look, that being said, there are plenty of people with drug problems, and there are plenty of people with drug problems who commit crimes to try and get the next fix.
01:02:52.000There's a big difference between that and scoping out a house with a mom who you know is vulnerable, going in with a gang with guns, and putting her at gunpoint, jamming it into her stomach in front of her kid.
01:04:43.000Show up with a gang of guys with guns, scoping out the most vulnerable among us, and jamming a gun in a woman's stomach.
01:04:49.000That is not something that all... Look, just like when I say when people say, hey, you have mental health issues, you shouldn't have access to a gun.
01:04:54.000Well, I have people in my family who are bipolar.
01:05:09.000And I think that we need to differentiate between, yes, you're not, and there's also a difference between, you know, your executive functioning and, you know, impulsivity.
01:05:18.000I think there is, though, a way where you can weigh in where he comes from.
01:05:22.000Yeah, a lot of drug addicts aren't violent, but a lot of drug addicts come from money.
01:05:26.000And I mean, depending on how long that you have this drug in you and how much it overtakes you, there's just a piece of your soul going away every single day.
01:05:47.000Now that doesn't excuse it, and that doesn't mean you shouldn't be in prison.
01:05:50.000Because it certainly means you should be in prison if you cross that line.
01:05:53.000But there needs to be a treatment for people on drugs, especially if they're going to be on the street the way that they are now, where it's either not completely locked up in prison, or a separate drug prison, or a rehab that's actually affordable.
01:06:07.000But I think it's important because this shit happens when we don't pay attention to the root of the problem, which, like you said, loneliness, drug addiction, and then when you pepper in being locked inside... Well, the root of the problem is they just said family.
01:06:19.000I'm willing to bet didn't have a dad around.
01:06:21.000George Floyd wasn't a dad to his kids, so it perpetuates that vicious cycle.
01:06:25.000I'll tell you right now, I was a great kid who did very well in school up until my dad died, or at least my dad got very sick and was out of the house.
01:06:33.000I'm an exact example of that, because there wasn't somebody there that I needed.
01:06:41.000Look, no one is saying that he didn't have some tough breaks.
01:06:44.000The issue here is, I don't want everyone to say, oh, someone's on drugs, and fear them.
01:06:48.000Because if you say, oh, they're going to end up being George Floyd, then people are going to be less likely to stage an intervention because they're afraid that they get violent.
01:06:54.000I've known plenty of drug addicts who don't get violent that way.
01:07:04.000Because that's a disservice to other people who genuinely want help.
01:07:07.000It doesn't seem like George Floyd wanted it.
01:07:09.000His drug addiction to this, in this moment, if that's what we're trying, is as... I mean, I hate to say it, it's as invaluable as anything else at this point, because you're looking at this exact moment.
01:07:21.000Did this officer intend to kill him or be completely unaware?
01:07:26.000Well, I don't even think that's a question.
01:07:27.000I don't think he intended to kill Floyd.
01:08:29.000Let's go listen to this lawyer lie some more.
01:08:32.000Dr. Tobin, who also happens to be a critical care physician, he spent years treating patients in intensive care who were experiencing respiratory failure.
01:08:45.000And Dr. Tobin literally wrote the book on the subject and he was able to tell you.
01:08:51.000I'm pretty sure there's more than one book.
01:08:52.000This looks like what he was able to observe.
01:08:55.000Like, hey, where's your section on respiratory and circulatory systems and health?
01:09:41.000Really quick, let me... He's being, you know, squeezed in a vice.
01:09:44.000All right, so look, really quickly, we're gonna go, I know this is an eclectic show, we're going to go back to live fact-checking the closing arguments at this trial, and let us know what the hashtag is going on here, or if no one is actually watching it on social, in which case... Yeah, we have no hashtag yet.
01:09:58.000Wow, that is a sad state of our country.
01:10:01.000But right now we have him on the show.
01:10:24.000Well, anyway, he coaches kids, he's a good guy, he's obviously a multiple-time world champion, and here to talk to us right now, Funky Van Askren, how are you, sir?
01:10:34.000I know this is a weird mix, don't worry, you don't need to talk about the trial, but obviously... Yeah, I'm good.
01:10:39.000I'm nervous about that, because I haven't been paying any attention, so I don't want to make a comment.
01:10:43.000Well, especially also because you're good friends with Tyrone Woodley, and so that could be a really rough sparring session if you two disagree.
01:10:58.000Very different views on a lot of the world's problems, and we love each other, we respect each other, so I don't really, you know, there's not issues.
01:11:06.000Well, there's not issues because you can kick most people's asses.
01:11:09.000When I used to do drop-ins and then someone recognized me from YouTube and held an armbar for about 10 seconds too long and it popped, I said, oh, I can't do this anymore.
01:11:17.000Then I noticed when we were changing and he had an upside-down cross tattooed.
01:11:23.000Um, so, but I'm not, I'm not funky Ben Askren.
01:11:25.000So, Ben, I don't know, we don't need to talk about the, obviously I would imagine disappointed with the results, uh, with the fight Saturday night.
01:11:32.000Yeah, I mean, obviously, it's the obvious talking point, and you're more than welcome to break it up, because I decided to come on the show, so that's my problem.
01:12:22.000And I, you know, I paid the price and, um, You know I think one of the things that really separates me from a lot of people is like I could have very easily sat on my couch and said I don't want to do that because there's a potential that I'll be embarrassed.
01:13:05.000By the way, you're—and I know, I know you're—okay, what were you about to say there, Ben?
01:13:09.000I was just going to say, disc golf is one of the greatest activities.
01:13:12.000It's, you know, it's free in most parks.
01:13:15.000It costs about $50 to get a set of discs.
01:13:18.000And it's something I'm very passionate about.
01:13:19.000So it's really, you know, maybe it'll just give you a little more peace and clarity in your life if you got off the disc golf course and threw 18 holes once in a while.
01:13:26.000Well, I tell you what, maybe we'll do that for Nash Wednesday, where you teach me to disc golf.
01:13:32.000The only golf I ever did was in high school, and it was in a Canadian high school, and it was very cheap.
01:13:36.000We did wiffle ball golf because they didn't trust us with actual balls.
01:13:40.000And I was pretty good at wiffle ball golf.
01:13:43.000So that's the only golf I've ever played.
01:13:45.000And I live near a golf course and I just, so I still get balls in my yard.
01:13:49.000And what I do is I collect them and I separate them by brand.
01:13:51.000And then when I see a ball go over the fence that's of similar brand, I dump that entire bucket of the brand of ball just to ruin their day.
01:14:09.000By the way, your podcast, for people who don't know, you're a pretty unabashedly libertarian supporter of cryptocurrency, which I don't understand.
01:15:55.000And I said, hey man, uh, Bert, Bert, hey, you know, I have a lot of my wrestling kids watching this.
01:16:01.000I mean, my brother and I have owned five academies.
01:16:04.000I can't even imagine what their parents are thinking right now.
01:16:07.000I feel so effing guilty that their parents are either having to, like, kick them out or, like, explain to them what the hell is going on right here.
01:16:14.000Or they've been banging on the bathroom door for the last hour and a half going, get out now!
01:16:18.000Yeah, um, yeah, I mean, and I like to be kind of socially liberal, but, oh, that was, uh... No, no, no, no.
01:19:06.000Like, does he think he's watching Rocky IV?
01:19:08.000So, anyway, well listen, Ben, I know it's been a weird day today, and look, I really appreciate you getting in there and taking a swing at it.
01:19:18.000And look, let's do a segment here in the future where you can teach me disc golf, and I'll be sure to not enjoy it, but be a good sport.
01:20:16.000I've got 23 holes of Disc Golf at my house.
01:20:18.000Not open to the public, but you're invited if you want to come, Steven.
01:20:22.000And then my brother and I own five wrestling academies.
01:20:26.000People were upset that I was smiling afterwards with my wife.
01:20:29.000I told all of you people before I took this fight, I don't give a shit about the result.
01:20:33.000When I'm in there, I'm going to try to fight hard.
01:20:36.000But at the end of the day, on Monday, I'm going to go back to podcasting and coaching wrestling.
01:20:40.000And my wife said something funny to me, and I laughed, and people are upset about it.
01:20:43.000They really need to get a life, and I think they're trying to export their own emotions on me.
01:20:48.000Well, I think, if anything, they should be more upset about the fact that after Jake Paul won, he sobbed like he had just defeated Marvin Hagler.
01:21:00.000It's like they have DMX and then also Shadow, and I was like, well, that's Jake Paul's bodyguard, and it's sad, but this is just, everything is weird.
01:21:08.000So, all right, Funky Ben, thank you so much.
01:21:41.000Now, the state does not have to prove, well, we don't have to prove about intent, we don't have to show that the defendant intended to cause George Floyd harm.
01:25:06.000So it's just that I'm not talking about the opinion as to whether George Floyd, whether Chauvin not effectively turning over and performing CPR on George Floyd.
01:25:17.000I'm not talking about the opinion that that is what a police officer should do in that scenario.
01:25:21.000I'm talking about the misstatements that are verifiably false that he's made.
01:25:26.000If this, if we were actually to have an honest conversation here, look, if you remove the riots, okay, if you remove the pressure from Maxine Waters, if you remove the defund the police movement, you take all this away, this would distill to, and it would be a very boring trial, it would distill to, look, Cop was well within his rights to do what he did. You have
01:25:43.000a serial felon. He was committing a crime right there He was actively resisting arrest. They tried to put him in
01:25:48.000a cop could they try to put him in the car?
01:25:50.000He refused to go in he swallowed a bunch of drugs his drugs were that this was a level of drugs in his system
01:25:55.000He had congenital heart disease. He had arthrosclerosis He had kovat while he was on the ground
01:26:01.000He was claiming he couldn't breathe, but he already claimed that and it would really just come down to okay
01:26:06.000What is the police protocol if you have someone on the ground and at a certain and they stop moving when you're
01:26:13.000And waiting for paramedics It really should come down to that.
01:26:15.000Are you required by police protocol at that point to yourself perform CPR?
01:26:20.000And the answer to that, and it was very clear in the trial, is in some scenarios, you're actually not forbidden, but you're actually advised not to if there's a potentially unruly crowd so that the paramedics can do their job and you can get people to disperse.
01:26:32.000That's what this really should distill to, and is a conversation where we could all have opinions.
01:26:38.000Well, look, okay, and maybe the problem there lies with the police department not training people properly.
01:26:43.000The problem is you can never have an honest conversation when you've lit a powder keg, and right now everyone is afraid.
01:26:50.000They're afraid that if they don't convict this guy on second-degree murder or first-degree murder, that these jurors, they're afraid they're going to be responsible for another Two dozen deaths.
01:27:00.000For another, what is it, five, six, seven hundred officer casualties.
01:27:03.000For another two billion dollars in damages to businesses.
01:27:06.000These jurors, right, that's the problem.
01:27:08.000They're not listening to the actual facts of the case.
01:27:12.000This is charged by design because of the Maxine Waters of the world.
01:27:17.000I think really what it comes down to in the meat of this is we need to just get rid of firefighters, and when there's riots, call a twerk engine, and they can come and put everything out with their wop.
01:27:30.000It's really what it comes down to, guys.
01:27:31.000We need to have a public stockpile of penicillin, but sure.
01:27:34.000Yeah, well, I mean, you don't want to touch any of the lumber for a few days.
01:27:41.000Were you about to say something there?
01:27:41.000Yeah, so far on Twitter, the only thing trending is Steve Schleicher, the name of the prosecutor.
01:27:47.000But also, you know, we just said he's trying to prove second-degree murder, and we have this from the Minnesota Office of the Revisor of Statutes.
01:27:56.000Second-degree murder causes the death of a human being without intent to affect the death of any person while committing or attempting to commit a felony offense other than criminal sexual conduct.
01:28:06.000So that's what they have to prove, that he was trying to commit a felony offense.
01:28:09.000Why does it exclude felony sexual conduct?
01:29:04.000Yeah, because people keep killing them.
01:29:06.000Not only that, but You're worried now, when you go out and do your job, if I try and restrain somebody and they happen to be hopped up on drugs, it could be felony assault and second-degree murder.
01:29:16.000Who would take that risk at this point?
01:29:25.000No, I really do feel bad for a lot of police officers, which is words that I thought I would never say.
01:29:30.000And as I've grown up and been an adult and taken responsibility for my own shortcomings, you have to realize that the police are there for a reason and defunding them is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.
01:29:40.000Well, part of me thinks that when they're arresting people for defending themselves against the Antifa, it's like, all right, you know what?
01:30:13.000When people throw a Nazi all the time, like, you voted for Trump, you're a Nazi.
01:30:16.000I think when people in masks and guns show up and shut down your church and threaten arresting you, that's as close to the Gestapo as you get.
01:31:43.000Did the defendant act with a mental state consisting of reckless disregard for human life, a conscious indifference to the loss of life... No.
01:33:43.000With the defendant, his specialized knowledge about the dangers of positional asphyxia and the common sense that if you put your knee on somebody's neck Uh, nope.
01:33:51.000There's a strong probability of injury.
01:41:53.000Dave was going to do untold things to me and that's not... I was simply asking if I could meet him in the men's room.
01:41:58.000You know what, by the way, we can take some of the Mug Club chat since we're going a little bit late today.
01:42:02.000We'll still go to MugClubOnlyLivewithCutter.com slash Mug Club, but if we want to bring up some Mug Club chat as this goes on, that way people on YouTube know that we don't allow the YouTube chat because...
01:42:11.000We don't want to give them any more support than we have.
01:43:36.000If you don't believe that in that scenario, an officer can use a compliance technique, you don't believe that police officers have the right to use compliance techniques.
01:43:45.000It's like when they say, why don't you just use a taser?
01:43:49.000Listen, if you don't believe that someone has the right to use their firearm when someone else is running away from the police and has a gun and turns toward, it doesn't matter if he drops the gun, then you don't believe that police should ever have a firearm.
01:44:01.000If you don't believe that you can use a compliance technique when someone has actively resisted arrest, is larger than you, has kicked a cop and refused to get in the car, then you don't believe that cops, you just think they should say, hey, you're under arrest.
01:45:26.000And then afterwards, when he was down on the ground, that's when people who weren't there for the lead-up start going, like, they didn't know.
01:47:55.000He failed to render aid Remember Commander, now Inspector, Katie Blackwell, who was in charge of all training, looked at this and said, I don't even know what this is.
01:48:08.000I don't know what this modification is.
01:51:22.000Look, it's just we live in different worlds.
01:51:25.000They're also trying to speak to jurors and to people in America who think we- it's like you don't live in a world where you've actively armed- strong-armed and violently robbed a woman with her kid in the house.
01:51:36.000And then lived on drugs your whole life, committed felonies, selling counterfeit bills, then try to hide a speedball in your mouth.
01:51:44.000These are the kinds of people that police officers encounter on a daily basis.
01:51:48.000And the problem now is we're making it seem like police officers, this prosecution, Maxine Waters, that they're going to approach Everyone, the way that they approached George Floyd, by the way, rightfully so, certainly in their approach.
01:52:01.000We can argue the last minute and a half, but certainly in their approach with someone who was violent if they want to go home to their families.
01:52:07.000And so now you have kids out there thinking, oh, I just get pulled over for a speeding ticket and I'm going to get shot, lit up.
01:52:13.000Statistics don't show that to be true.
01:52:14.000They actually show it to be more true if you're white than black with police officers, by the way.
01:52:18.000Statistics show that police officers are anywhere from 16 to 18 times more likely to be shot by a criminal like George Floyd than them to actually kill said criminal.
01:53:01.000But if you now tell young black men that they're all going to get the George Floyd treatment without giving them context, regardless of whether mistakes were made, you are going to create, well, you already have a powder keg.
01:53:14.000Well, and you've also created a scenario where you, you're almost guaranteed not to have a fair trial, because if you're a juror right now, can you imagine This jury comes back.
01:53:22.000Let's assume they come back not guilty.
01:58:24.000I guess at this point, when kids are watching WAP and the Triller Fight Club... There is nothing I've done that is as bad as what you showed me today.
01:58:33.000Well, I have danced like that once or twice.
01:59:26.000Yeah, tell Oates that I'll be there later.
01:59:33.000Can we hear what they have to say about this?
01:59:35.000Yeah, let's hear what they have to say.
01:59:36.000Really fast, we got this from a Washington Post article that just came out.
01:59:39.000What's going to happen now is a 20 minute break, then the defense will go, another 20 minute break, a rebuttal, another 20 minute break, and instructions to the jury.
01:59:56.000I'm going to wrap up a couple of things here that I wanted to go to earlier in the show map, and then we will go to Mug Club only and cover some of the defense.
02:00:26.000And then in this case, this is something that sort of fell on Derek Chauvin's doorstep,
02:00:30.000You have to put yourself in those shoes and understand that at some point, particularly now, or not only if you're a cop, a business owner, if you're a man who can't get through to your home because of rioters and protesters, you may be on trial for simply hitting the gas pedal on your car.
02:01:27.000You could be well within your rights to simply drive home, but if you exercise your constitutional rights, you end up being the one arrested.
02:01:36.000Here's an example of Stillwater, Minnesota.
02:01:38.000There was a guy who was trying to get home because protesters blocked a cul-de-sac.
02:01:42.000It doesn't even look like an ur... I don't even know how this is a protest.
02:01:47.000clip f the guy gets arrested. He's just trying to get home.
02:01:55.000As an angry motorist who refused to move his car, the police were on the scene and lo and behold,
02:02:05.000a miracle of God, they took him away, put him in the back of the squad car,
02:02:09.000they moved his vehicle out of the street so we can peacefully continue our march.
02:02:15.000I Aren't you supposed to be marching when you march?
02:02:18.000Like, if you were marching, it wouldn't be that big a deal.
02:03:12.000We showed this early on, but I want to show Clipsey of Maxine Waters, because again, this is what she's saying right now.
02:03:18.000She is directly trying to affect the outcome of the jury, and then I'm going to compare it with the repercussions we've seen with Donald Trump.
02:03:25.000So Clipsey, Maxine Waters had this to say in Minnesota, this weekend should be federally charged, impeached, and should be put in prison.
02:04:26.000It is amazing that she's wearing that much stuff on her face to protect herself from a germ, but she has no problem telling other people to go out and hurt others.
02:05:46.000And you tell them they're not welcome.
02:05:48.000And just to be clear, lest I be removed from YouTube here, I don't want, I'm not calling anyone to violence, I don't want anyone to hurt her, but could you just take off her weave and throw it into oncoming traffic?
02:08:25.000And Donald Trump was speaking to a crowd where there was no plan for violence that we knew of.
02:08:30.000And there had been no violent acts before that.
02:08:32.000You're talking about a crowd of several hundred thousand people and you're talking about maybe 20 who ended up committing an act of violence.
02:08:38.000Compared with Maxine Waters, who after there have already been dozens of deaths.
02:08:45.000After there have already been hundreds of officer casualties, after cities have been burning non-stop, and they would have the opportunity, people like Maxine Waters, people like Kamala Harris would have the chance to come out and say, you know what, hey, there's a right way to do this peacefully.
02:09:01.000Not only that, not only did she encourage it all along the way, she showed up in Minnesota to say that unless there is a guilty verdict, no no no, not manslaughter, We need to be in the streets.
02:09:13.000You need to stay in the streets and be more confrontational.
02:09:15.000Not only is that, in my opinion, illegal and an active call to violence, but oh my God, could you give any worse advice for children?
02:09:24.000Could you give any worse advice for teenagers, for young adults who don't want to be caught in crossfire for crying out loud?
02:09:30.000And let's just also keep this in context.
02:09:32.0002021, 110 White people have been killed by police officers.
02:10:33.000If you interact with the police, the most likely thing that's going to happen is going to be determined on your behavior, not based on your skin color, not based on anything other than how you act.
02:10:44.000In every one of these cases that we've seen in the media recently, if you don't attack the police, if you don't violently resist arrest, you will 99.9999 times go to jail alive.
02:10:56.000By the way, people don't understand this, you don't have the right to resist arrest.
02:11:14.000You have the right to not speak with them at all if they take you in for interrogation.
02:11:17.000You do not have the right, if a police officer at that point, you're under suspicion, is arresting you, you don't have the right to resist arrest.
02:11:23.000Your rights exist before that, and then your rights exist after that, within the process.
02:11:27.000Let's just be really clear about that.
02:11:29.000Some people say, well, you know, it's my rights.
02:11:53.000My James Cagney police terminology, it's turning into body wash up there.
02:11:59.000It would be the most useful piece of advice that you can give to kids right now.
02:12:02.000When you interact with a police officer, just understand their life is on the line every single time.
02:12:06.000And if they are violating your rights, the time to fight that, unless you think they're killing you right then, right?
02:12:12.000And then you obviously have to do something.
02:12:14.000But if they're violating your rights, sue them!
02:12:16.000If they're doing something and being disrespectful and illegally searching your car, even after you told them, you're not supposed to then try to push them out of your car, sue them later.
02:12:35.000And then you comment to me, let me know, we're going to take your chat here at Mug Club, but let me know what lesson you've taken from this.
02:12:42.000What advice would you give to someone based on not just this trial, but right now the environment in our country, the Black Lives Matter riots, the protests, the counter protests.
02:12:52.000Look, right now the advice being given to kids, okay, and you saw it, it was being black in America was trending yesterday, it's driving while black.
02:12:59.000So the lesson from Maxine Waters is we have got to, we have got to teach our cops to stop being racist. So look, that takes
02:13:06.000it out of your hands right now. I know that we have a lot of black viewers, particularly young
02:13:10.000black viewers, who are watching. And right now you go, what do I do? I can't fight this. I can't fight
02:13:14.000it. It's a racist system. Now there's nothing you can do. But the advice is don't be black in
02:13:18.000America. You know what? I would say this, we'll leave on this. I would say that looking at this trial
02:14:19.000Petty crimes because they lead to more serious crimes.
02:14:22.000Now, if you find yourself in a situation... Let's also, let's not, let's not abuse fellow members of your community by screwing them out of their hard-earned dollar in giving out counterfeit bills.
02:15:01.000Also, don't lie to the cops and say that you haven't done anything wrong, that you haven't taken any drugs.
02:15:06.000These are all steps that you can, if you want to avoid this situation, Then, don't actively resist arrest and refuse to be put in a cop car.
02:15:14.000Because we see what happens in that scenario.
02:16:12.000There are lots of people who've been in similar scenarios, who have had choices to make, and instead, we are not giving this advice to anyone.
02:16:19.000We're saying, it's being black in America.
02:16:22.000That's not what it is, and that makes people feel powerless, and then they riot, because, well, there's nothing I can do.
02:16:29.000The problem is being black in America.
02:16:31.000Well, obviously, you didn't watch the tape, because the two people who were in the car, they were also black in America, and nothing ever happened.