On this week's episode of Thick & Thin, the boys talk about the latest in the Trump administration, the anniversary of the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan, and the fact that Hitler was a Nazi. Plus, Stephen talks about his plans to jump off an airplane.
00:05:51.000Alright, so he's jumping on an airplane and going to do something that's really, you're going to love it.
00:05:58.000This is OG Stephen stuff that he's going to be doing here.
00:06:00.000So I'm really excited about it, but obviously that means that you're stuck with me, which I think is a net positive.
00:06:07.000Because of who it brings in the studio, but it could be a net negative.
00:06:09.000I mean, depending, you know, if you're gay and you don't want to watch the show, fine, whatever.
00:06:13.000But before we get to that, we're going to be talking about a little bit of coalition building that's going on right now with the Trump campaign.
00:06:19.000Also, Donald Trump and JD Vance on abortion and how people are reacting in entirely the wrong way.
00:06:26.000Zuckerberg finally releases a letter That says he's, you know, sad that he did the censorship thing.
00:06:34.000Well, we'll see how you guys feel about that.
00:06:36.000And also, it was the anniversary of the Afghan withdrawal yesterday, and we have some kind of competing, you know, ways that people mark that day that are in the White House and have been in the White House before we let you make your I don't know.
00:06:52.000Your opinion's known on who did it better.
00:06:54.000And also, JD Vance went on Meet the Press.
00:08:53.000Sometimes I feel like I might be on the wrong show when you guys get, you know, to the back and forth thing about porn in the 80s, but... I didn't... There was no back and forth.
00:09:39.000Well, before we get to some of the more serious topics of the day, the Notting Hill Carnival, I don't know if you even know what that is, kicked off in London and it has been the British version of our mostly peaceful yada yada yadas.
00:09:54.000the Notting Hill Carnival will be the same as it has always been and in the
00:11:07.000They must be studying CNN game film at City College London or something like that.
00:11:10.000Well, at least they didn't do it with the riots happening right behind them, like the CNN guy with, like, burning buildings right behind them.
00:13:39.000On Sunday after endorsing Trump, RFK, who did that on Friday with this big moment that kind of really, it seemed to kind of blunt the, I guess the surge in enthusiasm after the No, but I don't think there was a huge momentum shift created by that.
00:13:55.000But nonetheless, whatever there was, it seemed all of a sudden the story became RFK, dropping out of the race and endorsing Donald Trump, and even hinted on Sunday that there would be more Democrats joining the cause.
00:14:06.000President Trump is going to make a series of announcements about other Democrats who are joining his campaign.
00:14:17.000And, you know, I want to make America healthy again, and so does President Trump.
00:14:31.000Well, yesterday, former US House Rep Tulsi Gabbard actually gave her official endorsement to Donald Trump as well.
00:14:39.000I am proud to stand here before you today, whether you're a Democrat, a Republican, or an Independent.
00:14:49.000If you love our country as I do, if you cherish peace and freedom as we do, I invite you to join me in doing all that we can to save our country and elect President Donald J. Trump and send him back to the White House to do the tough work of saving our country and serving the people.
00:15:54.000This one didn't bother me, but it kind of bothered me.
00:15:57.000Hey, at Cheryl Hines, way to stay silent while your lunatic husband throws his support behind the adjudicated rapist who brags about stripping women of their fundamental rights.
00:16:44.000I said, yeah, it was super crazy how when Trump was president, Vladimir Putin launched the largest land invasion in Europe since World War II.
00:18:00.000Let's work together and see how we can accomplish that.
00:18:02.000I would say it's even a sign of a healthy system where you can find people in the middle moving both ways depending on the spectrum shift of each party, because that shows that it's not so sycophantic or dogmatic that you're just going to play the teams for it.
00:18:14.000Now, most people do, but reasonable people like Tulsi and RFK can see the writing on the wall, and we'll get to that later, where they're like, well, this is the better decision for the country right now.
00:18:22.000And by the way, they have some crazy takes.
00:21:02.000And the reason for that is President Biden is the first candidate in history, the first president in history, that has used the federal agencies to censor political speech, so to censor his opponent.
00:21:42.000And before you even get into the details of what Joe Biden has done, which is very, I think it is provable that he is a bigger threat to democracy.
00:21:50.000And I think if you're looking at it objectively, you could understand that.
00:21:53.000But backing up to these examples, what RFK is doing, and I made the comparison with the Catholic France and the Protestants, they were teaming up against other Catholics.
00:22:03.000And by the way, the Protestants and Catholics killed each other for being Protestant or Catholic.
00:22:07.000Yes, but it got to the point where the French basically rewrote how we do international relations because they said, these Catholics on this side are a much bigger threat to our existence than the Protestants that we've hated forever.
00:22:20.000So it's not like it's an unheard of thing, and RFK is kind of playing the role of the French here, or Trump would, I guess, to a certain extent.
00:22:26.000He's like, okay, These Democrats are so much more of an existential threat than to these people that were just campaigning against me two months ago, four years ago in the case of Tulsi Gabbard, that I'm willing to team up with them because protecting the sovereignty of the Union and what our country was actually founded on is more important than partisan politics at this current moment.
00:22:45.000And the Democrats have, and this is what he was talking about on Friday, like how they have tried to keep him off the ballot.
00:22:51.000Which is a really weird, so first off what they did is they kept him out of a primary because they basically said we're not going to have one, and then they tried to, you know, make it to where somebody could kill him at will by not giving him any kind of protection from the Secret Service.
00:23:06.000They made it easier, and then they tried to keep him off the ballot by suing, so they tried to keep him off the ballot in places like Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, North Carolina, Nevada, and Maine.
00:23:32.000Do you guys think that any of that is going to matter?
00:23:35.000But here's the interesting part to me, and they're making the arguments right now, I've seen some liberals say this, that RFK coming over to the ticket actually is bad for Donald Trump, right?
00:23:46.000They're saying that because it makes it a two-way, a two-person race, that Donald Trump actually is not going to gain any ground from RFK being out.
00:23:53.000But if RFK was in, then he would siphon votes off of Democrats.
00:23:57.000And I think in some cases he might, but I don't think most Democrats identify with RFK.
00:24:01.000I think independents identify with RFK.
00:24:04.000No, because he doesn't walk lockstep with the party, and unless you walk lockstep with the Democrats, they don't want anything to do with you.
00:24:10.000So I think that's flawed logic, and I think it really is basically just a way to spin this.
00:24:13.000I do think that this helps Donald Trump.
00:24:16.000And with every swing state, according to the polling, which I don't buy for a second, but let's just assume that it's true, swing states are within the margin of error.
00:25:07.000Everyone needs a goblin on their team, you know?
00:25:09.000I mean, look, if you're going to go out and get somebody from the other team to come across and say, hey, actually these guys are better, I'll take RFK and Tulsi Gabbard.
00:25:25.000I don't think they were ever actually Republicans.
00:25:26.000I think they were self-serving people who cannot see the threat that Kamala Harris poses to this country.
00:25:34.000And look, none of this, guys, happens without you.
00:25:36.000Mug Club, you are the reason, and we'll get to it in just a minute,
00:25:39.000why Mug Club is so important, because of the censorship that we have seen,
00:25:43.000and obviously what the Biden administration has done, censoring political speech.
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00:25:56.000and be like, yes, of course this content is worth it, but also it supports everything that we do.
00:26:01.000It supports everything that Steven is doing right now, jumping on an airplane, flying up, flying back,
00:26:07.000he's gonna be, listen, the type of work that it takes to get this stuff done,
00:26:12.000at the level that we're trying to impact the society around us and the culture around us,
00:26:16.000not just politics, but the culture, it takes a ton of resources,
00:26:20.000and we thank you so much for joining Mug Club.
00:26:21.000It's the only way, really, that we make it.
00:26:23.000We take like 1,000th of the ads that, We do it for you guys, because we like to have good content out here, and I know that's an oxymoron with me sitting in this chair, but look, don't.
00:26:35.000Come on, stop beating up on yourself there.
00:27:39.000Vance commented, I'm sorry, committed that Trump would not sign a federal abortion ban.
00:27:46.000Democrats made the case this week and beyond this week that Donald Trump, if elected, will impose a federal ban on abortion if he wins.
00:27:54.000Now, Donald Trump says he won't, but can you commit, Senator, sitting right here with me today, that if you and Donald Trump are elected, that you will not impose a federal ban on abortion?
00:28:06.000I can absolutely commit that, Kristen, and Donald Trump has been as clear about that as possible.
00:28:27.000I had no problems with these comments because I understand that these things happen incrementally.
00:28:32.000But this did prompt backlash, and I think misplaced backlash, from conservative pundits like Seth Dillon, who's not the only one, I'm not picking him out to pick on him, but saying, my administration will be indistinguishable from a Democrat's.
00:29:33.000You can not like somebody's position, but his position hasn't changed.
00:29:36.000You can also not like somebody's position, but he has done more to get rid of abortion in this country than any president in our lifetimes!
00:29:45.000Do you understand that it is because of the justices that he picked and pushed forward that we had the ability to overturn Roe?
00:29:52.000Basically to get rid of it and send it back?
00:29:54.000I know we talk about this in a little bit more detail, what actually happened there, but basically it now has become a state issue for the most part?
00:31:02.000Your response is, I don't like that we aren't pushing harder to end abortion, but I am voting for Donald Trump, and you should too, because he's the only person out there running for president who will do anything about abortion other than make it absolutely all the way up until birth.
00:31:22.000How is this even a conversation that we are having?
00:31:45.000Right now, you can be right and say that abortion should be outlawed in this country.
00:31:51.000Or, You can do things that will save the lives of unborn babies like overturning Roe, like campaigning in states like Kansas and making sure that the vote turns out to make sure that they put in place laws to protect unborn children.
00:32:06.000But if you want to go out and be right right now, you're going to turn people off because they're not there yet.
00:32:14.000But if they had done this 30 years ago, instead of saying baby killer and holding up signs outside of clinics, if they had been working the long game on this, this issue would have been done 20 years ago.
00:32:26.000This issue, how many lives could have been saved then?
00:33:06.000White suburban women, which seems, is actually, fortunately, unfortunately, however you want to look at it, it's a very important demographic to getting Trump elected.
00:33:25.000Does that mean he's going to be pro-IVF?
00:33:28.000There's a lot of things that that could mean.
00:33:29.000Most likely because they have been attacking people on IVF and other things like that, which I don't think is the main part of the argument.
00:34:13.000And he said, I believe in the three exceptions, you know, the Reagan's three exceptions.
00:34:16.000Like, he's talked about, like, this is not the time to come out and be, If he's not going to do exactly what I want on this issue, I ain't voting for him in here to shoot you.
00:34:24.000It's like, come on, take the incremental wins and work to make sure, like people have, I'm not going to go into this, we talked about this, but people have compared this to slavery, the evil of slavery, and they're not the same thing necessarily, because it's a really, but here's the deal, slavery took time to get rid of.
00:34:40.000And at the time, so many, like there were incremental processes put in place to make sure that slavery was ended.
00:34:47.000Not because people didn't want it ended earlier, of course they did, but they knew they had to work.
00:34:51.000You can't just force people to do stuff.
00:35:06.000And great men of faith Played the long game and said, you know, we're going to keep chipping away at this to make sure that we change the hearts of people, not just the laws that govern them.
00:35:17.000You have to change people's hearts, and the Republicans right now don't seem to understand that when it comes to abortion.
00:35:42.000We're basically sending these things out to you when big, big things happen and we want you to chime in or for the election and reporting shenanigans and being boots on the ground for us in different states.
00:35:52.000If you are interested, some of you have sent me messages on X.
00:36:47.000The number of countries that are absolutely out of their minds, I guess according to us, we're the only people that really believe in free speech anymore, I guess, and have pretty much been that way for a long time.
00:36:56.000But still, kicking people out, like X being forced out in Brazil, Rumble being forced out in France, Brazil, China, Russia.
00:37:04.000And on Sunday, Telegram founder Pavel Durov was arrested in France.
00:37:09.000The Russian founder of the Telegram messaging app, Pavel Durov, has been arrested at a Turkish airport.
00:37:15.000Reports say authorities have been investigating a lack of moderators on the app, which they say allows criminal activity to take place.
00:37:23.000They're saying he was arrested on the basis of an arrest warrant that was... Oh, really?
00:37:27.000Issued in connection with Telegram's failure to moderate illegal content and cooperate with law enforcement over drug trafficking, child sexual content and fraud.
00:38:44.000I think being able to openly communicate, and I hate some of the things that happen on Telegram, fine, like, they're asking them to moderate the content.
00:39:08.000Durov, the Telegram guy, according to him, left Russia, fled Russia in the first place because FSB, or the intelligence agencies, wanted him to turn over user data from Telegram.
00:39:18.000He should have gone somewhere other than France, though.
00:39:20.000Well, he's a dual citizen France-UAE, and I think he spends most of his time in the UAE.
00:40:36.000Mark Zuckerberg, the CEO of Facebook's parent company, now says he regrets agreeing to requests from the Biden administration to censor content related to COVID-19.
00:40:46.000In a letter to the House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan, Zuckerberg wrote this, quote, In 2021, senior officials from the Biden administration, including the White House, repeatedly pressured our team for months They used the old Zuck picture.
00:41:41.000Have you tried unplugging him and plugging him back in?
00:41:44.000I don't know what happened to Mark Zuckerberg, but he seems like he is moving in a much more based direction.
00:41:50.000I'm not saying he's made the transition yet, I'm just saying he's doing things You know, like, wasn't he drinking a beer holding an American flag and surfing?
00:42:01.000He said he also, the comments about Donald Trump after the attempted assassinations, that it was one of the most badass moments in American history.
00:42:08.000Like, there's a lot to like, but listen, I don't want to go crazy with this, but Biden's White House, they were not, let me, no, sorry.
00:42:18.000Harris's White House, because it's hers as well, right?
00:42:21.000Well, she wants to take credit sometimes, but also she had nothing to do with anything that was bad, so... She wants to build a wall now, did you hear that?
00:42:27.000We'll get to that here in just a second.
00:42:33.000Dude, no, for real, the Wall Street Journal... Guys, research, do me a favor, pull an overlay for me on that, let me know when you have it.
00:42:39.000She probably presented it like it was her original idea, like, you know what, it might be good.
00:43:09.000But look, look, the Harris administration, they're not subtle about their pressure.
00:43:13.000When they responded to Facebook, when some of the content fell through the cracks that they didn't like and didn't want, here's what they said.
00:43:37.000Look, in addition to COVID, censorship ordered by the White House across multiple social media platforms included 2020 election integrity, memes making fun of Jill Biden, and also the thing that would have changed the election because we have polling data on this, the Hunter Biden laptop that was first seen on this show.
00:43:59.000Have you seen the pictures of him with the crack pipe?
00:44:46.000It's like, ah, throw that away, get rid of it, it's got incriminating evidence, take it to a, you know, a computer place that'll own it and turn it on after a few days.
00:44:52.000Hunter Biden thought he was Neo for a minute.
00:44:58.000I love that that's like one of the most iconic moments of this show, and it was like during Halloween or something, so Stephen's dressed up.
00:45:04.000Yeah, he's dressed up, back to the future set that we had.
00:45:07.000Holy crap, the biggest piece of information in the last... You're like, wait, what?
00:45:10.000We broke row during cultural appropriation month, and I was dressed like Tom Selleck.
00:45:45.000Stephen, not you, not me, you, sorry, was listed as a repeat spreader of misinformation in a report by the Election Integrity Partnership, Stanford University as well.
00:45:55.000Do me a favor, also research, as far as trusted media outlets, I believe there was a graph that somebody sent me that had pictures of news outlets and it was almost, it was like an arc like of trustability and it had all the different networks
00:46:06.000on there we were in like the bottom right and like the most extreme category and i think we were the
00:46:10.000furthest right which is surprising as info wars was on there alex and again i love you but a
00:46:15.000lot of people would consider that you know pretty far right and we were listed as the most right
00:46:19.000if you can't find it let me know i've got it on my phone one of my friends sent it to me stuff
00:46:23.000like that's insane right so So, this group was hired by the White House to identify problematic content creators.
00:47:02.000If maybe people would change their minds on that case a little bit and make sure that the government is not allowed to reach out to these agencies to censor people that they do not like.
00:47:12.000Because that is exactly what happened.
00:47:24.000Let's say Steven gets one thing wrong.
00:47:25.000Let's say he's like, oh, I thought there was a, you know, a ballot wrongfully cast here, and it actually turns out that was a legitimate ballot.
00:47:38.000We don't, we're not above admitting that we can make mistakes.
00:47:41.000Yet CNN and MSNBC and all these bullshit outlets can run for four years that Trump was an illegitimate president because he was propped up by the Kremlin.
00:47:50.000And that was all completely disproven.
00:48:18.000By the way, the censorship of this show goes back to 2016 under Barack Obama, even before then, but specifically under Barack Obama when Facebook was caught throttling conservatives.
00:48:46.000This also included Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker, popular conservative news aggregator, the Drudge Report, back when that was conservative, Chris Kyle, the former Navy SEAL who was murdered in 2013, and former Fox News contributor Stephen Crowder.
00:49:00.000There we are again, back under the Obama administration, being censored by our White House.
00:50:33.000Like, the largest company on the planet at the time for, you know, any social media at all, not at the time, still, you know, Google, like, one of the most powerful companies in the world, basically just says, yeah, yeah, we took care of it, but we're just going to remove his ability to make a living.
00:50:45.000Like, Steven has made that point, and I don't think a lot of people really grab onto that when you're like, oh, you got demonetized.
00:50:52.000Why do you think he was so adamant about Mug Club, too?
00:50:55.000It's because he knew these people would come for him and try to silence him.
00:50:58.000He knew that people would go after advertisers like they are doing today, in a very concerted effort, like we showed you guys a couple of weeks ago.
00:51:05.000He knew all of that was coming, and the only way to provide any kind of absolute against it is to have an uncancellable show.
00:51:15.000You guys made Steven Crowder uncancellable.
00:51:18.000Steven saw it coming and asked you for your support and you did it.
00:51:22.000So thank you for that because other examples, we had our Oscars stream taken down because it wasn't transformative.
00:52:41.000And we went from having the largest live stream election ever in 2020, thanks to you guys, to having the largest election live stream ever off of YouTube in 2022.
00:53:27.000We don't want you to have to go to Legacy Media ever again for anything related to the election because they have proven time and time and time and time again that they are not worth your trust.
00:53:37.000They cannot be trusted to report on this stuff objectively.
00:53:49.000Join us today in this fight because we are going to go out and get all of this information for you.
00:53:54.000I cannot stress how much fun you're going to have over the next few weeks with some of the stories that we, it's going to blow your mind, some of the stories that we have.
00:54:00.000And I'm not saying that like it's the biggest story ever because eventually people just stop listening to you because it's not the biggest story ever, every single time.
00:54:07.000But these are massive, massive stories.
00:54:09.000I just wanted to touch on kind of Mug Club here for a second as a former viewer before I came to the show.
00:54:14.000As I remember when I discovered this show, it's when I was in a place surrounded by people that would have laughed at my viewpoints or not taking me seriously.
00:54:21.000And I was in a different place away from home and I found this show and it was during kind of the Vox, a little pre the Vox situation.
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00:54:47.000They can make a change because the numbers are bigger than you think they are.
00:54:50.000Because you get stuck in your daily kind of echo chamber and you get very, very disheartened.
00:54:55.000What Mug Club has done, and thanks to the support of these people that are doing it right now, they can make that continue for future generations.
00:55:03.000The 18, 19, 20 year olds that we need to reach if we want to change this country long term.
00:55:08.000So please and thank you for everything that you've done.
00:55:11.000I just wanted to say that to the viewers out there.
00:57:09.000If it's a sense of urgency, man, I hope it's real.
00:57:12.000I hope it's like, oh my gosh, I've been on the wrong team on censoring ideas.
00:57:16.000Now, he may not be a conservative, but at the same time you go, maybe we need to let this play out.
00:57:21.000Maybe it's more important that people have freedom of speech than it is that I get to kind of determine what speech People here, and that the White House can't influence me the same way that they did in the past.
00:57:29.000He did say that they'd be ready to stand up to that influence again if it happened.
00:58:09.000There's a tweet from a guy named Joshua Steinman.
00:58:11.000I think he used to work in the Trump House, the Trump White House, who mentioned That a reason that Mark might be doing that is because he has his ear to the ground on public sentiment.
00:58:45.000I think it's probably a little bit of both in this case.
00:58:47.000Look, I hope there's at least a sliver of goodness in there that is driving this, but we will see.
00:58:51.000So look, before we go to Mug Club here in just a minute, Tim, I'm going to jump around just a little bit.
00:58:58.000We celebrated the anniversary of the withdrawal from Afghanistan and memorialized those soldiers who were lost in that debacle.
00:59:09.000And here's how Donald Trump chose to spend the day.
00:59:12.000Before you ask, no, there's not a video of Joe Biden doing that.
00:59:29.000Also, before you ask, no, there's not a video of Kamala Harris doing that.
00:59:33.000I'll get to what they did here in just a minute.
00:59:36.000But before I go, and before we join over to, or jump over to Mug Club, I just want to read the names of those people who were killed that day.
01:00:23.000They deserved better than they got from this administration on that day.
01:00:29.000And they certainly deserve for you to give a damn enough to get your ass to Arlington Cemetery to make sure that you paid some respect to the sacrifice they made for your incompetence.