On this week's episode of The Real Reel, Jen and Jeff are joined by special guest Ricky to discuss racism in the black community, the new Ocean s 8 movie, and the recent events in Ukraine and Russia.
00:04:48.000So, we'll be talking about Russia and Ukraine.
00:04:50.000Just really quickly, if we get booted, because you never know what's going to happen with the YouTube when you're discussing Russia, China, COVID, anything, you can watch us on Rumble or on Mug Club.
00:05:00.000Of course, there's a full extra hour of show on Mug Club.
00:05:52.000But my question to you is, I think last week we asked, do you think, so now it's the updated version, when do you think Russia is going to be invading Ukraine?
00:06:23.000Oh, because you think the date changes?
00:06:26.000Your right's coming back, and now we're in 2022, and now, oh my gosh, outside of, you know, the pandemic COVID, there's an actual conflict that could be significant that you may have to worry about now.
00:07:02.000And, uh, we don't have Dave here, but we actually do have, he works here as a researcher, as a producer, uh, his name is, well, you know what, he's Ginger Snap to us, because his hair is fiery red.
00:08:11.000They're going to let us know when he's ready to rock and roll.
00:08:13.000So before we move on to Russia and the updates here, and former Vice President Joe Biden and his ineptitude, gosh, I just see Lizzo in the show map and I was told not to watch this.
00:13:24.000We need equal needle representation and needle exchanges.
00:13:28.000All right, this is as good a time as anything to just let you know, but before we move on while we get our clips back and the TriCaster and everything, follow me on Instagram here, Louder With Crowder, because someone's sitting on Steven Crowder, I believe, and we'll be taking your Mug Club chat here later on.
00:13:41.000We'll have like another full hour show.
00:13:42.000This is a wonderful start to the show.
00:15:12.000And Barry Weiss used to work with, I believe, the New York Times and has had sort of an awakening, not really conservative, but I guess you would call her classical liberal.
00:15:20.000And she made some totally reasonable points on Bill Maher, which, of course, was trending all over this weekend because people were furious where she was implying that, of course, with COVID, they don't really have the science at this point.
00:16:15.000So this morning, though, on CNN, they brought on a doctor to issue counterpoints to Barry Weiss's points, Dr. Reiner from George Washington University.
00:16:25.000And this is the beauty of, you know, when these people, first off, we talked about these comedy shows, they don't do it live.
00:16:30.000Okay, well that's wonderful because they can edit anything to look favorable.
00:16:34.000But then also on places like, that's redundant, but then also, I apologize, it's the darkness that's gotten to my brain.
00:16:41.000Also on CNN, or these programs, there's a beauty in never being accountable, where you can bring on people simply to strawman your opponents.
00:16:50.000Because they don't bring Barry Weiss on.
00:16:52.000In my opinion, if you are commenting on what Barry Weiss said on Bill Maher, specifically, right, and you are CNN, to do your job and be a journalist, you should have Barry Weiss on.
00:17:01.000Instead, they show a brief clip, and then they bring a doctor on to address the points that she never made.
00:18:01.000She ranted about how inconvenienced she's been by this pandemic and how it's not real anymore.
00:18:10.000Well, I'll tell you that for the 10,000 Americans who died last week and for their families, yeah, it was damn real.
00:18:18.000And for the people who struggle to keep them alive and for the thousands and thousands of health care workers who have been doing this nonstop for two years, her behavior was childish and selfish.
00:20:26.000Former Vice President Joe Biden, before we go into this situation with Russia, we're going to have a roundtable discussion because there are differing points of view.
00:20:38.000You know, I was very passionate about the Taiwan situation in China because I understand exactly how it affects the United States.
00:20:43.000I understand exactly how it affects all of us on a global scale.
00:20:46.000I understand that China is on the move and what they want to accomplish.
00:20:49.000With Russia, it's a little bit harder to be concerned because we see a sort of disenchanted, a sort of disenfranchised, you know, former USSR, and people think, well, they're not really a threat.
00:20:58.000Well, the whole point is they're trying to build to being a threat, and Ukraine is one of those first steps.
00:21:03.000So a lot of people find it uninteresting.
00:22:46.000You've never gone toe-to-toe with anybody.
00:22:48.000You're a skinny, fat, butter-soft biatch who has pushed pencils for your entire life and tries to act like you're the tough guy who's going to fight someone behind the bike racks.
00:22:58.000This is the stuff that he always says.
00:24:04.000I mean, I woke up in a puddle of his own filth.
00:24:07.000He can come in whenever he's ready and we'll admonish the hell out of him.
00:24:10.000So we are going to, before Dave comes in here, or whenever he comes in, we're going to get to the top four ways that the United States actually has sort of been the catalyst and created the Ukraine crisis.
00:24:23.000So it's time, that's why Ginger Snap is here, who works usually in the back room, for an
00:29:00.000Alright, so last week, former Vice President Joe Biden accidentally, which always instills confidence in the commander of the free world, former, half-ish Kamala Harris.
00:29:16.000I think what you're going to see is that Russia will be held accountable if it invades, and it depends on what it does.
00:29:26.000It's one thing if it's a minor incursion and then we end up having to fight about what to do and not do, etc.
00:30:48.000So Patton said near the end of World War II, he said, the difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European but an Asiatic and therefore thinks deviously.
00:31:02.000We can no more understand a Russian than a Chinaman, which is what he said back then, or a Japanese and from what I have seen of them I have no particular desire to understand them except to ascertain how much lead or iron it takes to kill them.
00:31:15.000In addition to his other Asiatic characteristics, the Russian has no regard for human life and is an all-out son-of-a-bitch barbarian and chronic drunk.
00:31:25.000We fought the wrong enemy, though that may not be necessarily confirmed, but it's fun to include.
00:31:30.000We have destroyed what could have been a good race, and we are about to replace them with Mongolian savages, and all of Europe will be communist.
00:31:37.000Now, to be clear, people tried to say that he was a Nazi sympathizer.
00:31:41.000What Patton was saying is that there was a threat from Russia and that these were not people who basically wanted to assimilate into Western civilization whatsoever.
00:31:48.000And, of course, there are alliances that you have at certain points in time.
00:31:52.000A lot of the time, people go, why did we side with the Russians?
00:31:53.000Well, keep in mind, with the Russians, they initially sided with the Germans in World War II.
00:31:57.000Until the Germans attacked them, and then the Germans killed, well, I don't know if you take the total number of killed, but Holocaust was about 6 million, and of course you have millions other who were killed in the battles.
00:32:08.000With Russia, you're talking about anywhere from 50 to 100 million people who were killed, mostly their own.
00:32:15.000If we loop in World War I to this and the Revolution, it gets really high.
00:32:19.000Now, that being said, there are a few- and Ginger Snap, you were writing this out, so you were also making this argument that the United States sort of created the Russia-Ukraine scandal.
00:32:29.000Right, and this isn't to say that we could guarantee without the United States- You gotta talk into this, you know it's difficult.
00:32:34.000Yeah, the microphone doesn't even have to talk straight into the front of it, right there.
00:32:54.000I don't think I have any Ambien, but I think I might have some Lunesta in the back, as long as you don't mind the LCD, L-L-S-D butterfly.
00:33:05.000By Ambien, I meant Gerald sang me to sleep.
00:33:09.000The argument that myself and the other writers are trying to make is not that Russia is this great country that should be revered and Putin is this bastion of conservatism.
00:33:16.000It is that the steps that the United States have made since the end of the Cold War have led us to what would always be this outcome.
00:35:02.000Oh, you know my chest pocket to that priest that I know that Oscar
00:35:08.000That was for the nerds and I don't like it so but It made a point?
00:35:16.000The Russia-Ukraine crisis started long before this, and Ginger Snap, you were explaining, and you and Gerald can kind of explain the history.
00:35:22.000After the Cold War, right, the United States didn't really face any global opposition.
00:35:26.000So that was a really good way, like, so we didn't face any opposition, but what we were trying to do, and I'll make my point and let him make his.
00:35:32.000I'm not going to make his point for him just because he knows.
00:35:45.000So my point is that after World War II, we had a very aggressive Russian state that was basically taking over part of Europe so that they could build kind of this buffer between Europe and themselves, right?
00:35:57.000So I definitely understand that, but it was not just about Russia, it was about the spread of communism as well.
00:36:03.000Russia has done nefarious things all throughout history, right?
00:36:07.000So this has played out over and over again going back into the late 1800s.
00:36:11.000Russia in World War I fought against Germany and lost.
00:36:14.000They were trying to make sure that they could hold on to Ukraine.
00:36:16.000They were trying to make sure Turkey didn't come in on the wrong side so that they could get their ships out into the Mediterranean.
00:36:20.000This has been kind of the place that we've had to fight over for a long time.
00:36:24.000And so when the League of Nations was formed, when we formed NATO, when we formed the United Nations, all of these steps were taken to make sure this kind of conflict Didn't happen again, or if it did, that Russia faced a foe that could defend itself.
00:36:37.000Interesting they didn't want Turkey to be on the wrong side.
00:36:39.000Hey, look to any side of you, that's the wrong side, that's where Turkey is.
00:36:43.000You tend to pick the wrong always, right?
00:36:45.000And I get that Russia gets pissed off about these things, but it's not like these things came out of nowhere, right?
00:36:51.000We had to do something to deter this, and the spread of communism was a very, very real threat, especially when Spain and Franco's administration was communist.
00:37:13.000I don't disagree with that statement, but that's like making the argument that, well, we shouldn't have allied with China then, and why are we allying against them now?
00:37:21.000Well, they're two different countries.
00:37:41.000The argument that's made here is that we're looking at a different Russia after the end of the Cold War.
00:37:45.000So what we decided to do after the Cold War, and we brought it up earlier, was called this thing called liberal hegemony, which is basically that the United States feels, since they're not challenged by another superpower, there is nobody to rival them, that they can spread democracy across the world.
00:37:59.000And by doing this, it'll make Peaceful relations between everybody and no country has to worry about power relationships anymore.
00:38:06.000And that is the mistake I think our foreign policy experts made that kind of led us to where we are now.
00:38:12.000Okay, so I would agree with that in maybe the Middle East, right?
00:38:14.000So with Iran propping up the Shah, we basically set the stage for the Ayatollah to come in.
00:38:19.000There is no stabilizing the Middle East.
00:38:21.000The Middle East is the world's BOSU ball.
00:38:23.000There's no way you are ever going to guess.
00:38:26.000It's a balance board and it's a rigged balance board.
00:38:29.000Yeah, 130 there, God doesn't even want it there.
00:38:33.000And I agree with that in Afghanistan, right?
00:38:35.000Afghanistan is known as the graveyard of empires because every empire that has tried to come in and take over a people that should be takeover-able has failed, right?
00:38:43.000The United States included, we weren't really trying to take over, we were just trying to eliminate a threat.
00:38:46.000So I get that you can't just go and plant democracy in every place that you would like to.
00:38:51.000And I also get But not every time that we've tried to plant democracy was it with altruistic intentions.
00:38:59.000We had motivations that were maybe outside of that.
00:39:01.000But at the same time, that again, to use your point, those countries and the problems we had there are not the same as making sure that Russia doesn't go on.
00:39:08.000Well, and I think there's an important differentiation to make.
00:39:12.000And this is what I would say is, I only have an interest in intervening if it directly relates to our national security interests.
00:39:25.000That is what ultimately creates destabilization.
00:39:29.000However, when we're talking about China and Taiwan, we're talking about something that would actually be a security threat, not only to all of Asia, but the rest of the world.
00:39:36.000Once Taiwan goes, you're talking about them getting really in close proximity to Japan.
00:39:48.000I think with Russia, it's one of those issues where it's a little bit tough because, you know, you're still talking about people who are largely, like, they have a life expectancy of 54 because they all die of cirrhosis and they poop in the woods.
00:39:58.000It's forced labor, too, that really cuts down on the longevity.
00:40:05.000Yeah, they can kill pedophiles and get off scot-free.
00:40:07.000Before we move on, I kind of want to stress the two points, the main points that we're trying to make here is first, yes, there is time for the United States to intervene.
00:40:34.000And to try to intervene substantially in Eastern Europe would also substantially decrease resources that should be available for East Asia.
00:40:43.000Second off— You just said nuke China.
00:41:48.000I just, I find Gacy's work is just far too interpretive.
00:41:51.000It is, well, it's almost self-important.
00:41:54.000Yeah, a lot of clowns and balloons and such, and I'm like, why isn't the clown murdering anybody?
00:41:59.000When Lane was talking about Putin, I think what he's saying is just like in the university system, we don't want communism in our university system.
00:42:07.000I think he's saying Putin didn't want that in Russia either.
00:42:09.000Well, what Putin doesn't want is anything that disagrees with Putin.
00:42:13.000It's not like Putin wants freedom for his people and he wants a strong, willed people who understand what liberties are.
00:42:19.000He wants to arrest and jail indefinitely a band like Pussy Riot.
00:42:23.000And that's an important difference to see that Rage Against the Machine.
00:42:26.000I mean, look, if I personally could probably write down top five things that would bring a smile to my face, Tom Morello behind bars in a gulag would be at the top of that list, but you can't do it.
00:42:38.000Did you know that Lane and Gerald are smarter than me, so I'm going to say you're both right.
00:43:13.000So, they want to protect against Russia, yet they pay billions of dollars to Russia, and we're the schmucks that are paying for the whole thing.
00:43:23.000So then... Great word the Jews taught me, schmuck.
00:43:27.000Since I came, which is a year and a half, almost 33 billion dollars more is projected to be paid by those NATO nations, but it's not enough.
00:44:21.000I want to say that the promise was a certain percentage of GDP.
00:44:24.000It was either 2 or 3 percent, if I'm not mistaken.
00:44:26.000And the United States was way above that.
00:44:29.000And the next closest nation was, I don't know, at some point maybe it was Poland when they were added, and it was like 1 point something percent.
00:44:33.000But a lot of nations were Paying less than 1%.
00:44:36.000Right, that was the big problem that Donald Trump had with this, was not paying their fair share, which he thought the Democrats loved the fair share argument.
00:44:42.000It's different from the UN, which is entirely useless.
00:45:36.000Diane Lane always looked like an attractive 40-year-old woman, even when she was 20, but then when she's like a 40, 50-year-old, she just looks good now.
00:47:17.000Well listen, I will say this, he did have his daughter record him so that he could see it later so that he could change, and he did change.
00:47:23.000As opposed to Hunter Biden who had his daughter record him so he could get her in on the film and smoke some parm.
00:47:28.000So the point is, as bad as we think that is, it's nothing compared to the Biden clan.
00:47:32.000And it was a really good idea having her record him because it didn't haunt him at all.
00:47:38.000So explain this, so sort of, because NATO, Russia, pro-NATO initially, right?
00:47:43.000Gingersnap, but NATO is a big problem.
00:47:46.000Yes, so at the end of the Soviet Union, the beginning of the Russian Federation, they were very pro-NATO in the sense that they wanted it to maintain where it was because they saw it as a The buffer!
00:47:56.000The whole buffer thing I was talking about!
00:47:58.000Like this seat between you and your guy friend at the movie theater.
00:48:00.000Yeah, well they saw it as a way to pacify Germany because what's happened the last time that Germany had been unified, well they tried to invade Russia and before that they tried to invade Russia.
00:49:20.000So he even said as much, and I think we have the quote in here somewhere, that basically... Yes, he said, this was in 97, he said, expanding NATO would be the most fateful error of American policy in the post-Cold War era.
00:49:30.000Such a decision may be expected to impel Russian foreign policy in directions decidedly not to our liking.
00:49:37.000So the argument you're making now is that NATO Russia understood NATO, but then because of NATO's expansion and also how and where they expanded, it forced Russia to say, all right, now we're going to have to act aggressively.
00:49:57.000Right, but if you're looking at this from a rationalist perspective, if you put yourself in his shoes as the leader of a country, and your greatest adversary for the last hundred years or whatever, 70 years, all of a sudden has the ability to stage troops right next door, you would see that as a threat.
00:50:13.000So even if we don't want him to expand, we can understand why.
00:50:16.000And it should be noted, Bill Clinton, the NATO expansion added Poland, Hungary, and the Czech Republic.
00:50:22.000And then in 2004, NATO added seven more Eastern European countries.
00:50:25.000There's a lot of stuff going on there.
00:51:39.000Is it weird if I eat chicken wings while I do my State of the Union?
00:51:42.000So, um, all this angered Russia and Putin responded, uh, the emergence of a powerful military bloc at our borders will be seen as a direct threat to Russian security.
00:51:54.000And, uh, this is of course, you know, Russia went to war with Georgia.
00:52:34.000Afghanistan should have been making it look like the ice castle and then walking out.
00:52:39.000That's how many bombs we should have dropped.
00:52:41.000And instead, you go in, you try and work with people, You try and create alliances, and then there are insurgencies, and it just destabilizes it.
00:52:49.000That's not what war used to be, because we didn't have these global interconnected governments.
00:52:56.000Yeah, they would go in and actually install their own leaders.
00:52:59.000They would take part of the people and disperse them around the kingdom so that nobody would be associated with just that country to, I don't know, maybe take up arms against them again.
00:53:20.000So your point is that, look, he is a power-hungry psychopath, but he's doing what we expect him to do in this situation, and us going into these places is causing it.
00:53:30.000Alright, I will make a counterpoint to that and say that Russia has always done stuff like this.
00:53:35.000After World War II, they actually started kind of pushing communism into places.
00:53:40.000First, I think Czechoslovakia was one of the first places in the late 1940s, and then we had the outbreak of the Korean War, which was again communism kind of encroaching on freedom.
00:53:49.000You were in South Korea, you could be singing... They wouldn't have let you in in the first place, my friend, if the North had won, backed by communist China and Russia, right?
00:53:58.000So they were pushing before, and so the United States... I wouldn't let you in if I was their bouncer.
00:54:02.000The United States and its allies had to do something.
00:55:31.000So if you watch the Juno beach, there's actual footage of the Juno beach, them going, and by the way, thank you Canada for all the great work you do, we really appreciate it.
00:55:37.000I forgot the last one, sorry, I don't remember.
00:55:39.000But Juno, uh, was a Canadian beach, and we were watching it in class, and so, of course, you know, Saving Private Ryan had been out, so I'm expecting them, you know, going in a pew pew pew.
00:55:46.000And instead, you just see them kind of like, jog with their packs into the mist.
00:56:24.000So, we need to look at the situation as it exists today.
00:56:29.000And so, what benefit does the United States get from antagonizing Russia when we could use them strategically, just like we used China vis-a-vis the Soviet Union during the Cold War?
00:57:11.000They showed... Do you think for a second that they're going to just walk back to the lines and say, okay, good, the United States is not the threat that we thought they were.
00:57:19.000they're playing nice with us we're good to go.
00:57:22.000No, absolutely not, but there is a line that has to be drawn, but our line can't be drawn across the entire globe.
00:57:29.000It's drawn at the states that you used to occupy that you left and that now you are unilaterally going back to and saying, hey, you're not a country anymore, you're back to being part of us.
00:57:39.000The reason that they want Ukraine, it has been several... Why are you yelling?
00:58:01.000Well, they had a naval base there before.
00:58:03.000They did have a naval base there before, but if we are strengthening Ukraine and their ability to fight, don't you think that naval base starts- Well, hold on.
00:58:09.000Let's go back to the Ukraine a little bit.
00:58:11.000And then we want to continue down that road, because the United States spent billions of dollars- Halfway through my point.
00:58:15.000Billions of dollars trying to influence Ukraine and oppose what some people would say are lawfully elected politicians.
00:58:20.000So the United States invested $5 billion in Ukraine from 1991 to 2013.
00:58:41.000Also, just so you guys can note, to understand sort of a motivation here and who's lining up where, from 1990 to 2015, George Soros' organization, International Renaissance Foundation.
00:58:50.000I just thought it was a fair with a bunch of people in burlap.
00:58:53.000They spent 181 million dollars to spread democracy to the Ukraine because Soros loves him some democracy.
00:59:01.000Here's Soros admitting basically that on CNN in 2014.
00:59:05.000First on Ukraine, one of the things that many people recognized about you was that you, during the revolutions of 1989, funded a lot of dissident activities, civil society groups in Eastern Europe, in Poland, the Czech Republic.
00:59:21.000Are you doing similar things in Ukraine?
00:59:23.000Well, I set up a foundation in Ukraine before Ukraine became independent of Russia.
00:59:32.000And the foundation has been functioning ever since.
00:59:37.000And it played an important part in events now.
00:59:41.000Do you think Ukraine will be able to assert a kind of independence from Russia and an alignment with the West?
00:59:49.000Not a specific alignment as a NATO, but a kind of orientation toward the West, or will the Russians always stop them?
01:01:11.000So there was a thing called, like, the Maydan Revolution.
01:01:15.000That's what they called it in Ukraine.
01:01:16.000It was basically they, there was the president at the time who was the one that was democratically, as much as you can be democratically elected.
01:01:30.000The same people George Soros' groups were funding against ended up signing an economic deal with Moscow that was better than the one with the EU.
01:02:07.000Almost like if maybe, I don't know, there was a green movement for freedom in Iran and we would play a role like, yeah, we think that you guys should overthrow your oppressive government.
01:02:17.000But it wasn't a freedom... Okay, Oliver Norse, listen.
01:02:29.000Again, this is not like a moral judgment on who was right or who was wrong, just who did what based on the facts and what we are.
01:02:35.000But you have to look at some of the motivations, right?
01:02:37.000So if somebody is going to go in and say, look, this guy was in office, he started to get really, really cozy with the Russians and These things were not things that people liked and they protest, they had a revolution, they overthrew him.
01:02:48.000It's like, okay, well we helped something that was already going on.
01:02:51.000Maybe if we started the revolution, maybe if everybody loved him and we came in with a propaganda campaign and said, no, no, no, no, no, he's a really bad guy, that'd be a different story.
01:03:41.000They make another appearance, of course!
01:03:43.000I will bring it back to what Stephen said about Patton, how he commented on the Slavic people or the Asiatic people as some people we can't trust.
01:03:50.000Well, these are the same people we're talking about now.
01:03:53.000And most of these people... And we still can't trust them.
01:03:55.000The ethnic majority in Crimea is Russian.
01:03:58.000The ethnic majority in eastern Ukraine is Russian.
01:04:02.000So to say that they are all about being part of the EU and these European values, well we know, according to what Patton said, that doesn't coexist.
01:04:09.000So why are we trying to make it happen?
01:04:10.000But does it mean that Russia can just take part of a sovereign country because they want to?
01:04:16.000Well, I don't think that Ginger Snap is saying that it's a good thing that Russia is taking part of a sovereign country.
01:04:22.000I think what Ginger Snap is saying is that maybe it's not the United States' job to go in and do anything about it.
01:04:45.000Whether or not they should have annexed Korea or whether or not they should have supported the separatists in eastern Ukraine, I'm not even arguing that.
01:04:56.000I'm saying you could not have expected them not to do it based on the position they found themselves in.
01:05:02.000Russia didn't find, and my opinion is that Russia didn't find themselves in any position.
01:05:06.000Russia was an instigator from the very beginning.
01:05:10.000And the response that we had to Russia was like, we've got to curtail... They were Eddie Haskell-ing it a little bit.
01:05:14.000We've got to curtail their spread of communism.
01:05:16.000Like, we faced this in several places around the world.
01:05:18.000Russia wasn't just sitting back after World War II going, Ha!
01:05:21.000Everything's hunky-dory, I guess we'll go back to our lines.
01:05:23.000They wanted to keep the Eastern Bloc countries.
01:05:37.000But the same people who in 1991 experienced freedom for the first time in generations Very quickly after that said, we can't do this, we need a state-run agency again, we need people to take care of us, free enterprise needs to go away, and people like Putin were all too willing to come in and actually step down, have the other person that gets placed in that office change the Constitution essentially and say that you can serve as dictator for life, and then he comes back in and he's like, I didn't do it, it was that guy!
01:07:31.000Okay, let me just try and laser in on this here.
01:07:33.000Okay, we're talking about, your argument is, And I don't think it's ill-founded that Russia felt that they were in a position where they had to – in other words, their justification is they're effectively responding, right, to encroachment, to basically what they would see as an oppressive form of NATO that obviously is unfavorable towards Russia, right?
01:07:54.000If none of that happened to be the case with NATO, do we think that Russia would be straightening up and flying right, or do we think they would still be doing this anyway?
01:08:01.000I think they would still be doing this whenever they could get away with it.
01:08:04.000I think that's a fair assessment to a fair guess, and I don't think that your points, Gerald, are unfounded.
01:08:10.000But it had not happened until NATO expansion was offered to Ukraine and Georgia.
01:08:16.000So the, I don't know, 17 years of evidence that we have suggests that maybe they would not have, but now we know for sure that they would, and we did.
01:08:26.000So what, okay, and you guys can comment below on who you agree with.
01:08:29.000Do you agree with Gingersnap, or do you agree with Gerald, or do you agree that we should never talk about Russia again?
01:08:52.000I'm not even kidding, they do have... Must have hairy nipples.
01:08:55.000I haven't seen this with my own eyes, so I can't confirm, but they say they have Russian news that are topless, and then they'll have... Really?
01:09:25.000You know, I always said this before, when Barack Obama was president, and there was a situation, you know, Hamas and Israel really, there was a while there where there were a lot of rockets going off.
01:09:33.000I was very concerned for the first time I thought that the United States might be on the wrong side of history, might align themselves with the wrong people when you heard his rhetoric toward Israel.
01:09:42.000I'm not talking about whether we should intervene or not, but there's a big difference between saying we shouldn't intervene at all, we shouldn't be funding any of these nations in the Middle East, and we shouldn't have an alliance with Saudi Arabia, versus saying we should selectively support, you know, Palestine or the people who rule Palestine.
01:09:58.000And I will say this, for the first time I Back if you're going to, let's say, World War II, or even before that, if you're going to talk about the United States spreading its values throughout the world, this is something where really you would be talking about places like Russia, where people are placed in gulags, or if you're talking about even places, you know, in Africa, where just we know when we would send in missionaries, when we're teaching them about AIDS, and not just throwing contraceptives at them, but letting them know, hey, look,
01:10:22.000You can't have sex with a child to give your AIDS on down the line.
01:10:25.000We needed to actually establish cultural norms.
01:10:27.000Notice there's something that they believed and say, there's a superiority to this culture as a result of Judeo-Christian values.
01:10:33.000And so I think we would all have been on board at one point with the idea that all of these countries would be better off if they adopted American values.
01:10:42.000Not that it's our job to force them to, however, I can say now for the first time, if I'm a country, and this is not to say that Russia is a free country, this is not to say that Putin is anything other than basically a fascist asshat, okay?
01:10:56.000That being said, it's a lot easier right now if you're Putin or any of these countries to basically excoriate the United States for interventionism and go, Look, look, you want us to be like country where you have men beating women in college athletics.
01:11:11.000Little boys being taken away from father because not taking puberty blockers.
01:11:16.000Look, they have abortion up until and including after birth.
01:11:45.000Those are the kind of values that should not be... And those are the kind of values that make me go, eh, I get why they hate us sometimes, right?
01:11:50.000Like sometimes it makes it apparent, but here's the thing... Yeah, maybe ISIS has a point.
01:11:54.000We have learned throughout history that we can't be isolationists.
01:11:57.000Whether we want to or not, we are the world's greatest superpower at this moment.
01:13:24.000But we do have to at certain points in history go, okay, If we don't stop him now, if we don't do something now, this could spin out of control, because it has over and over and over.
01:13:35.000And that's what Patton was talking about after World War II.
01:13:37.000He was saying Russia's going to become a power that we really should have squashed when we could have.
01:14:51.000We dug ourselves hole like pedophile in Russia who then stabbed himself in chest 28 times.
01:14:58.000That's how pedophiles kill themselves in Russia.
01:15:01.000My point is, and I think you would probably agree with this, is that our trying to make the world a liberal bastion is not going to happen.
01:15:47.000I don't trust either of them further than I can throw them, and I can throw a Chinese man much further than I can throw the average Russian.
01:15:56.000I think we even have a poll in here from that they ran in Moscow, that the Moscow Times ran, that said like five out of six Russians are friendly towards the West.
01:16:11.000And that's the problem, because, okay, maybe the people aren't at our throat, but their leaders kind of are.
01:16:16.000And I'm not saying, again, like, we're not in the Cold War right now, we're not in the same position that we've been in historically with Russia, but I am much more afraid of a 120th the size of our economy Russia that used to be a powerhouse, and they're trying to get back there, and they'll do whatever they have to.
01:16:30.000So Ukraine was not just important for a number of the other reasons that we've talked about, they were the breadbasket of the Soviet Union.
01:16:36.000They fed most of the Soviet Union, which is why Hitler went there first to try to destabilize Russia.
01:17:27.000Look, here's the point, and this is one of those things where, you know, I hate to use this where people say everything is nuanced, and the truth is there's really not much nuance to abortion as far as, okay, look, you either support it or you don't, and you at least draw a line as to where life begins or it doesn't.
01:17:42.000There really isn't all that much nuance to you either have the right to speak freely or you don't, okay?
01:17:46.000It doesn't need to be that long of a back-and-forth conversation.
01:17:49.000There really isn't all that much nuance to the Second Amendment.
01:17:51.000You either have the right to self-preservation, self-protection, or you don't.
01:17:53.000when we're dealing with geopolitical issues, however, that really, and that's almost, I
01:17:59.000hate the term geopolitical, when we're dealing with international politics, let's just make
01:18:03.000You're dealing with international politics, you are also dealing with countries who don't
01:18:06.000act within the kinds of rights that we know and take for granted.
01:18:10.000A lot of you, for example, don't know that there really is no other place on earth outside of the United States where you have the right to speak freely.
01:18:19.000Not to mention the right to keep and bear arms.
01:18:21.000There are a lot of rights that we have enshrined in our Constitution.
01:18:23.000So, when you're dealing with international relations, there is a little bit more nuance because, and I don't want to say nuance, there is more that needs to be taken into consideration when it comes time to pull the trigger.
01:18:35.000In other words, here, when you say, all right, look, you can't do this, this is going to the Supreme Court, it needs to be swatted down.
01:18:40.000All right, look, this is an issue where it's black and white, we understand, okay, the states have voted.
01:18:44.000When you're dealing with, do we intervene?
01:19:00.000China, Taiwan, we all here in the studio have a red line.
01:19:03.000That needs to absolutely be stopped because not only is China a key player, not only does China hate the United States, but Taiwan, if Taiwan goes, that would be a huge deal for international security, period.