Rebel News Podcast - August 11, 2018


A training camp for school shooters is discovered in New Mexico — and the Media Party covers it up


Episode Stats

Length

47 minutes

Words per Minute

159.31381

Word Count

7,510

Sentence Count

486

Misogynist Sentences

5

Hate Speech Sentences

24


Summary

A training camp for school shooters is discovered in New Mexico, and the media covers it up, and it s even sadder when you read some more. Tonight, a missing boy led police to a desert site where remains of 11 hungry children were discovered, and that grandpa is sad.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Tonight, a training camp for school shooters is discovered in New Mexico, and the media party covers it up.
00:00:07.180 It's August 10th, and you're watching The Ezra Levant Show.
00:00:15.380 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:00:19.180 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:00:22.940 You come here once a year with a sign, and you feel morally superior.
00:00:25.900 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:00:36.700 Look at this headline here. It's from the CBC, of course, but it's the same in a hundred other media.
00:00:44.000 Man says body found at New Mexico compound is his missing grandson.
00:00:50.780 That sounds really sad. A missing grandson is found dead.
00:00:54.060 That's a very sad story, and it's even sadder when you read some more.
00:00:57.700 Here, let me continue.
00:01:00.420 Search for boy led police to desert site where remains 11 hungry children discovered.
00:01:08.180 Wow, 11 more hungry kids are found, and that grandpa is sad, I bet.
00:01:13.340 I wonder if the other 11 kids were his grandchildren, too.
00:01:16.880 Was the desert site where they were found, was the boy's father there, you know, the grandpa's son?
00:01:24.080 If so, that's a weird way to write a headline, don't you think?
00:01:26.880 To talk about the grandfather-grandson connection, but to leave out everything in the middle?
00:01:32.120 Here, let's read some more from this story.
00:01:34.220 A severely disabled Georgia boy, who authorities say was kidnapped by his father and marked for an exorcism,
00:01:42.880 was found buried at the ramshackle compound in the New Mexico desert that has been the focus of investigators for the past week,
00:01:50.360 the toddler's grandfather said Thursday.
00:01:52.800 Wow, that is a sad story and weird, but it looks like the father is the center of the story, actually, doesn't it?
00:02:00.220 I mean, weird that the grandpa is styled as the center of things so far.
00:02:04.760 Okay, let's read some more of this story.
00:02:07.440 New Mexico authorities, however, said they had yet to identify the remains discovered Monday,
00:02:12.740 and prosecutors said they were awaiting word on the cause of death before deciding on any charges.
00:02:17.820 Hmm, okay, so it might not have been a suspicious death then.
00:02:24.020 That's the question the journalists raised.
00:02:25.520 So I guess we know why the grandpa is sad anyways.
00:02:28.260 His grandson was found dead.
00:02:31.040 But we don't know if anything else was odd, although it sounds a little weird, those 11 hungry kids.
00:02:36.100 I mean, it's odd that the CBC would run a story about a grandpa in America whose grandson may or may not have been killed.
00:02:43.400 It's weird to run a story like that in Canada's national broadcaster.
00:02:47.820 I wonder if we're getting the whole story here.
00:02:50.020 Okay, let's read some more and find out.
00:02:52.940 The boy, Abdul Ghani Wahaj, would have turned four on Monday.
00:02:58.840 Prosecutors said he was snatched from his mother in December in Jonesboro, Georgia, near Atlanta.
00:03:04.860 Okay, now there's some drama.
00:03:06.240 The boy was snatched from his mother back in December.
00:03:09.560 I don't know if snatched means kidnapped.
00:03:11.540 I mean, it's vague, isn't it?
00:03:12.680 Are the mom and dad divorced?
00:03:15.120 If a mom takes a boy away, is that snatching?
00:03:19.140 I mean, was this a kidnapping?
00:03:20.280 Snatching isn't a word in the criminal code.
00:03:22.340 This is a weird story, isn't it?
00:03:23.900 But if you're like me, when weird stories about crime are afoot and things seem to be written to conceal the truth rather than reveal the truth,
00:03:33.540 you notice things like a name, Abdul Ghani Wahaj.
00:03:38.820 It's a Muslim name.
00:03:41.040 Now, why have they named the boy, but they haven't yet named the dad or the grandpa?
00:03:46.440 Especially since the story was built around the grandfather, right?
00:03:49.260 Okay, let's keep reading together.
00:03:50.200 The search for him led authorities to New Mexico, where 11 hungry children and a youngster's remains were found in recent days at a filthy compound shielded by old tires, wooden pallets, and an earthen wall studded with broken glass.
00:04:07.360 Okay, now this is really getting spooky, isn't it?
00:04:09.340 I mean, a compound with 11 hungry children, and it was surrounded by a wall studded with broken glass?
00:04:16.580 That sounds really weird.
00:04:17.620 Don't you think that's a little more salient, a little more central to the story than a grandpa being sad?
00:04:25.100 11 kids were found hungry in a desert compound, surrounded by homemade glass studded walls?
00:04:31.960 Who wrote this weird story?
00:04:33.780 Why have they buried the lead here?
00:04:36.040 Let me keep going.
00:04:37.360 The missing boy's grandfather, Siraj Wahaj, a Muslim cleric who leads a well-known New York City mosque,
00:04:44.160 told reporters he had learned from other family members that the remains were his grandsons.
00:04:50.240 Oh, my.
00:04:51.720 Siraj Wahaj, who runs a famous New York City mosque?
00:04:55.060 So it's not just a grandpa, is it?
00:04:57.520 He's a famous Muslim leader.
00:05:00.560 I'm going to come back to that in a moment.
00:05:02.000 Let's read the rest of the story.
00:05:03.040 I'm reading line by line.
00:05:04.440 This was, again, written by Associated Press, published in the CBC.
00:05:07.180 So this story was picked up in a lot of places and run word for word.
00:05:10.920 Let me just speed read through some more here.
00:05:12.760 I should tell you, I am not skipping a single word in this story.
00:05:16.020 I haven't missed anything.
00:05:17.380 I'm not hiding anything.
00:05:18.460 I'm just telling you exactly how this story is written line by line.
00:05:22.620 Here, let's keep going.
00:05:24.340 The imam, that's the grandpa, the imam said he did not know the cause of death.
00:05:29.640 Whoever is responsible, then that person should be held accountable, Wahaj said.
00:05:34.020 Yes, we must find the criminal.
00:05:36.860 I mean, again, isn't it his own son who allegedly snatched the boy?
00:05:41.920 But maybe someone else did something to him.
00:05:44.320 That's not known yet by police, is it?
00:05:47.620 Does anything in this story make sense so far?
00:05:49.900 Why don't we have the name of the dad?
00:05:53.200 That's weird.
00:05:54.080 Okay, here, I'm going to keep going.
00:05:56.100 In an interview with WSB TV in Atlanta, the boy's mother also called for justice,
00:06:03.080 as she described how her life had been taken from her after her son was abducted by his father,
00:06:08.700 which she said was out of character for him.
00:06:11.060 She and Siraj ibn Wahaj, the imam's son, had been married almost 14 years.
00:06:16.540 I wasn't able to save my son, Hakima Ramsey told the television station.
00:06:21.820 Are they still married?
00:06:22.920 It's not clear yet.
00:06:24.040 They say taken now, not snatched, not kidnapped.
00:06:27.580 Did she call the police about this?
00:06:29.980 No one knows yet.
00:06:30.820 The CBC doesn't tell us yet.
00:06:32.560 But finally, we know the dad's name, Siraj ibn Wahaj, the same name as his dad.
00:06:38.760 Why are we reading all the story in Canada at all?
00:06:41.540 Well, let's keep going because this is a lesson in the media.
00:06:44.040 That's what we're doing here.
00:06:45.080 In the CBC, in the Associated Press.
00:06:47.180 Let me keep going in this story here, okay?
00:06:49.120 A little bit extreme is the headline, the next sub-headline.
00:06:55.200 A little bit extreme.
00:06:56.440 So the very top headline in the story is about a sad grandpa.
00:07:01.680 And then it's about a snatched kid.
00:07:03.960 Then only later do we hear about a Muslim mosque.
00:07:06.320 And now, deep down in the story, under some more confusing details,
00:07:09.480 the word extreme makes its first appearance.
00:07:11.900 Extreme what, I wonder?
00:07:12.880 Well, they don't say yet, and they don't say for a while.
00:07:16.060 Here, let's keep reading some more.
00:07:18.220 In Facebook messages, Naima Rashid, Ramzi's sister-in-law,
00:07:23.380 told the Associated Press that she, too, was surprised by Wahaj's actions,
00:07:27.360 saying he had always valued the closeness of their family.
00:07:31.400 Rashid also recalled from Atlanta the deep bond between the boy and his mother,
00:07:35.740 who couldn't leave the room without him crying.
00:07:37.840 While the boy could not walk, Rashid remembers that he smiled and laughed
00:07:42.400 as he watched his cousin's play.
00:07:45.680 Of course, this is a hard time for her, Rashid said of the mother.
00:07:49.740 Ramzi, who is from Morocco, filed for divorce in December,
00:07:53.240 the same month neighbors say Siraj ibn Wahaj and others arrived in Amalia, New Mexico.
00:07:59.360 Okay, so they did file for divorce.
00:08:01.400 So maybe it was a kidnapping, but so far I don't know what that extreme word was referring to.
00:08:09.080 I know that there was a deep bond between a boy and his mother,
00:08:12.840 and they valued the closeness of their family.
00:08:15.280 That's apparently important news.
00:08:17.520 I guess it's news that a four-year-old boy has a deep bond with his mom.
00:08:22.400 But that was, keep going here,
00:08:25.540 that was important for the CBC to put in that story.
00:08:28.420 Not sure what that extreme part was about.
00:08:32.240 Hey, does anybody know what this story is actually reporting yet?
00:08:35.080 I mean, we're halfway through.
00:08:35.820 Do you know what this story is about?
00:08:38.440 I mean, how many people do you think would still be reading this weird ramble?
00:08:42.280 Okay, let's keep going.
00:08:44.940 A Georgia arrest warrant accused him of kidnapping his child.
00:08:48.740 Authorities said the father at some point told his wife
00:08:50.840 he wanted to perform an exorcism on the boy
00:08:52.780 who suffers seizures and requires constant attention
00:08:55.440 because of a lack of oxygen and blood flow at birth.
00:08:58.760 Okay, so he was accused of kidnapping.
00:09:02.880 That's weird that it only comes out now after they said snatched and taken.
00:09:06.740 He told his wife he wanted to perform an exorcism.
00:09:09.220 That's really weird, don't you think?
00:09:12.120 And weird that you'd bury a fact like that deep down in the story.
00:09:15.740 But look at this.
00:09:16.380 We're almost at the end of the story here.
00:09:17.920 It's almost an afterthought.
00:09:19.180 Look at this.
00:09:19.600 The child's father was among five adults
00:09:23.400 arrested on suspicion of child abuse
00:09:26.040 in the raid at the compound.
00:09:29.260 In court papers, prosecutors also said
00:09:30.900 Wahaj had been training children
00:09:32.620 there to carry out school shootings.
00:09:37.700 He was training children to carry out school shootings.
00:09:44.240 This was a training camp for mass murderers.
00:09:49.580 Now look at the headline right from the very top of the story one more time.
00:09:52.640 Man says body found at New Mexico compound is his missing grandson.
00:09:57.860 Is that the news here?
00:10:00.160 Or the sub-headline there?
00:10:01.940 Search for boy led police to desert site where remains.
00:10:05.160 Eleven hungry children were discovered.
00:10:06.740 Is the fact that they were hungry
00:10:08.540 the most interesting detail about this story?
00:10:11.020 Or the fact that they were being trained to be school shooters?
00:10:15.900 Let me keep reading the story.
00:10:17.260 Speaking at his Brooklyn mosque,
00:10:18.540 the elder Wahaj said he had no knowledge of any such training.
00:10:22.500 Oh, it sounds to me, it sounds crazy, but I don't know, he said.
00:10:28.220 I make no judgments yet because we don't know.
00:10:33.740 What a wise old grandfather.
00:10:36.360 He surely racked with pain because of the loss of his grandson.
00:10:40.140 They sound so close.
00:10:41.980 But he's very wise to counsel us not to rush to judgment.
00:10:44.980 I mean, yeah, sounds crazy, but we just don't know.
00:10:49.440 Let me read some more.
00:10:50.260 The imam's mosque has attracted a number of radicals over the years,
00:10:54.540 including a man who later helped bomb the World Trade Center in 1993.
00:10:59.560 In a video posted Thursday on Facebook,
00:11:01.840 mosque spokesperson Ali Abdul Karim Judan
00:11:04.720 called the case a domestic situation
00:11:06.720 and vehemently denied it had anything to do with extremism
00:11:10.560 because you know he's really plugged into that family.
00:11:13.780 But even that first part in 1993,
00:11:16.940 I mean, that's literally 25 years ago.
00:11:19.980 So that's probably nothing, right?
00:11:21.640 It's very unfair to assume there's anything wrong by it.
00:11:26.180 This is just all a domestic situation.
00:11:28.700 Stop even reading this story.
00:11:30.320 Let me read a little more, though,
00:11:31.620 even though they're trying their best to make a stop reading.
00:11:34.120 None of the charges had anything to do
00:11:36.320 with anybody teaching anybody shooting
00:11:39.200 to commit acts of terrorism
00:11:41.000 or to go in and shoot up any school, he said.
00:11:44.820 Because it's a Muslim and the circumstances
00:11:46.680 that are surrounding their situation,
00:11:48.240 they want to change the narrative.
00:11:50.320 The elder Wahaj said all 11 of the children,
00:11:53.480 ages 1 to 15,
00:11:54.540 were either his biological grandchildren
00:11:56.520 or members of his family through marriage.
00:11:58.940 Holy cow.
00:12:01.780 So we are deep, deep, deep, deep, deep in the story.
00:12:05.440 And only now are we getting to what the story is about.
00:12:08.860 Siraj ibn Wahaj has a compound
00:12:12.620 with 11 of his own children.
00:12:16.880 And police say he was training them to be school shooters.
00:12:19.720 But the grandpa, also called Siraj Wahaj,
00:12:21.880 he says it's nothing, don't rush to judgment.
00:12:25.220 And he has a spokesman saying
00:12:27.280 it's got nothing to do with extremism.
00:12:29.280 Let me keep reading here.
00:12:30.980 I'm very concerned with the condition of my grandchildren, he said.
00:12:35.380 He said he didn't understand why his son
00:12:37.260 had taken the family and disappeared into the desert
00:12:39.920 but suggested that psychiatric disorder was to blame.
00:12:43.000 Of course it always is, isn't it?
00:12:44.580 My son can be maybe a little bit extreme, he said,
00:12:48.500 though he added that he never thought
00:12:51.360 he was extreme enough to kill anyone.
00:12:54.140 High-strung, he said.
00:12:56.100 Extreme, eh?
00:12:57.320 Finally that word is explained.
00:12:59.280 High-strung.
00:12:59.960 You know high-strung people.
00:13:01.900 Oh, that guy, he drinks too much coffee.
00:13:04.020 He's too much go, go, go.
00:13:05.460 He's high-strung.
00:13:07.480 Now, I'm going to stop now, okay?
00:13:08.860 I mean, there are weird evasions
00:13:10.880 and euphemisms in this story.
00:13:12.340 It just gets weirder.
00:13:13.760 But besides more weird excuseology,
00:13:16.140 they did finally report that there were
00:13:18.820 five other adults at the compound, too.
00:13:20.780 That's pretty weird.
00:13:22.360 You know what they didn't put in this story,
00:13:24.700 published by the CBC, written by the Associated Press?
00:13:27.740 That grandpa, that lonely soul,
00:13:30.100 so worried about his grandson,
00:13:31.920 who thinks his son might be a bit extreme,
00:13:34.120 but it's probably a mental illness.
00:13:36.000 You know, he really wouldn't hurt a fly.
00:13:38.480 Do you know who Siraj Wahaj is?
00:13:39.960 Let's check in with a real newspaper,
00:13:44.500 the New York Post.
00:13:46.140 Here's a story.
00:13:47.840 1993 WTC plotter in Mike Meat.
00:13:52.340 What does that even mean?
00:13:53.300 That's a funny headline.
00:13:54.260 That's that trademark New York tabloid style.
00:13:56.720 WTC is World Trade Center.
00:14:00.200 As you may know, in 1993,
00:14:03.520 Muslim terrorists tried to blow up the towers
00:14:06.360 with a truck bomb at the bottom.
00:14:08.160 It was a trial run for the 9-11 attacks
00:14:12.960 eight years later.
00:14:14.320 They tried a truck bomb and it didn't work,
00:14:16.260 so then they flew jets into it.
00:14:18.160 Okay, so that's the WTC,
00:14:20.960 and the Mike in the headline
00:14:22.800 refers to Mike Bloomberg,
00:14:24.620 then the mayor of New York.
00:14:25.880 So this was a 2009 story.
00:14:27.580 So to the New York Post, this was a scandal.
00:14:30.800 Michael Bloomberg, the mayor,
00:14:33.120 was meeting with a plotter
00:14:35.120 from the 1993 terrorist attack
00:14:38.340 on the World Trade Center.
00:14:39.260 Here, let me read from a real news source,
00:14:41.320 not the fake news of the CBC.
00:14:43.040 Here's from the New York Post.
00:14:45.120 A controversial imam
00:14:46.740 who was an unindicted co-conspirator
00:14:49.800 in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing
00:14:52.280 was among a group of Muslim leaders
00:14:54.060 invited yesterday to a meeting
00:14:55.720 with Mayor Bloomberg at City Hall.
00:14:58.660 Siraj Wahaj has defended
00:15:00.760 the convicted World Trade Center bomb plotters,
00:15:03.680 called the FBI and CIA
00:15:05.760 the real terrorists,
00:15:07.880 and said he hopes all Americans
00:15:09.120 eventually become Muslim.
00:15:12.820 Now, so Siraj Wahaj himself
00:15:14.740 was not convicted of terrorism,
00:15:15.960 but he was a suspect.
00:15:17.220 He was an unindicted co-conspirator.
00:15:18.640 He wasn't convicted of anything.
00:15:20.500 He didn't really disabuse the notion, though, did he?
00:15:23.020 He called the U.S. the real terrorists
00:15:25.180 and says everyone should be Muslim.
00:15:27.240 Do you think that's a relevant point
00:15:28.760 that maybe should have been added
00:15:31.220 to the CBC story,
00:15:32.600 that he was an unindicted co-conspirator
00:15:34.700 in the World Trade Center terrorist attack?
00:15:36.260 Do you remember how the CBC described him?
00:15:38.440 Here, let me read that part again
00:15:39.300 from the CBC story.
00:15:40.980 The imam's mosque has attracted
00:15:43.560 a number of radicals over the years,
00:15:45.860 including a man who later
00:15:47.660 helped bomb the World Trade Center in 1993.
00:15:50.400 Yeah, no, no, no.
00:15:51.300 The imam himself, Siraj Wahaj,
00:15:53.920 that friendly grandpa,
00:15:55.620 he was an unindicted co-conspirator
00:15:57.780 in the terrorist attack.
00:15:58.640 He was also actually a character witness
00:16:00.560 for a terrorist,
00:16:01.860 but the CBC says,
00:16:02.800 oh, no, some other guy might have done it.
00:16:04.940 This is just a friendly grandpa
00:16:06.160 who's so concerned.
00:16:07.800 The CBC withheld that key fact from you.
00:16:10.140 The whole story is weird.
00:16:11.300 Would you not agree?
00:16:12.160 The whole story was unreporting,
00:16:14.500 anti-reporting, dis-reporting.
00:16:16.740 Look at this TV clip
00:16:17.680 in the local news.
00:16:19.380 Look at this.
00:16:20.060 Here's a tweet.
00:16:21.280 Heartbreak for a mother
00:16:22.380 of little boy kidnapped
00:16:23.740 from Metro Atlanta.
00:16:25.120 His father was arrested
00:16:26.100 at Compound in New Mexico.
00:16:28.100 Remains of a small child
00:16:29.140 believed to be the missing boy
00:16:30.540 were also found.
00:16:31.780 Hear more of our exclusive interview
00:16:33.360 at 544.
00:16:35.560 Oh, is that what the story is about?
00:16:38.240 Here, watch the video for a second.
00:16:39.760 I wasn't able to save my son's life.
00:16:45.820 I'm sure it is very sad.
00:16:48.580 I'm sure she means those tears.
00:16:50.620 After all, thanks to the CBC's reporting,
00:16:53.140 we know that she loved her son.
00:16:56.740 So yes, that is part of the story,
00:16:58.600 to be sure.
00:17:00.700 But is that really the most newsworthy fact here?
00:17:02.900 that a plotter
00:17:05.300 of the 1993 World Trade Center
00:17:06.680 a terrorist attack,
00:17:08.220 his son has a compound
00:17:10.380 in the New Mexico desert
00:17:11.640 training 11 grandchildren
00:17:14.840 of the terrorist plotter
00:17:16.560 to be school shooters.
00:17:18.940 Is the mother's grief
00:17:19.960 and the grandfather's grief,
00:17:21.920 is that the real news here?
00:17:25.080 Yeah, you bet it is.
00:17:26.400 When Islam is involved,
00:17:27.620 well, you know,
00:17:29.000 there is nothing
00:17:29.760 that the media party
00:17:31.160 obsesses about
00:17:31.900 more than a school shooting.
00:17:33.180 And with good reason,
00:17:34.160 a school shooting is terrifying.
00:17:35.340 It's every parent's nightmare.
00:17:36.340 It's so emotional.
00:17:37.500 It's a way to criticize
00:17:39.140 firearms ownership, isn't it?
00:17:40.440 Even we Canadians
00:17:41.320 know the names
00:17:42.300 of famous schools
00:17:43.460 that were shot.
00:17:44.260 Parkland, Sandy Hook, Columbine.
00:17:47.140 You could even say
00:17:47.960 the media lusts
00:17:50.020 for school shootings.
00:17:50.980 They certainly cover them
00:17:52.180 with lust.
00:17:53.160 But not in this case.
00:17:55.300 Isn't that funny?
00:17:55.960 An entire diabolical school
00:17:59.520 training camp
00:18:00.620 that, according to police,
00:18:02.500 was literally
00:18:03.140 a training camp
00:18:04.600 for school shootings.
00:18:07.760 But you really couldn't
00:18:09.840 even get that information
00:18:10.800 until you waded
00:18:11.400 through paragraph
00:18:11.960 after paragraph
00:18:12.920 after paragraph
00:18:13.860 of weird unreporting
00:18:15.980 about the grandpa
00:18:16.940 and a young disabled child.
00:18:19.600 All completely irrelevant
00:18:21.300 to the story
00:18:22.180 and the real facts,
00:18:23.980 the real identity
00:18:24.720 of this terrorist-loving family
00:18:26.420 were hidden.
00:18:28.560 It reminds me
00:18:29.320 of the coverage
00:18:29.720 of Faisal Hussain,
00:18:30.940 the Muslim mass shooter
00:18:31.960 in Toronto,
00:18:32.680 the other day
00:18:33.180 where police
00:18:33.700 withheld his identity
00:18:34.880 from the media
00:18:35.740 for a day.
00:18:38.160 Even after ISIS
00:18:39.400 claimed responsibility,
00:18:40.820 the media said,
00:18:41.420 no, no, no, no, no.
00:18:42.160 No, no.
00:18:43.180 Definitely not
00:18:43.780 a Muslim terrorist.
00:18:45.180 Imagine that.
00:18:46.900 There's something
00:18:47.700 the media lusts for
00:18:48.780 even more
00:18:49.400 than a school shooting
00:18:50.600 or the bizarre novel
00:18:52.420 terrifying Black Swan,
00:18:55.080 an event so impossible
00:18:56.200 to imagine,
00:18:56.760 like 9-11 itself
00:18:57.880 was a Black Swan,
00:18:58.880 something unthinkable
00:18:59.760 until it happened.
00:19:01.560 The Black Swan
00:19:02.420 of a school
00:19:03.860 for children
00:19:05.340 being taught
00:19:06.880 to murder
00:19:08.360 other children,
00:19:09.820 a school in the desert
00:19:11.260 in New Mexico,
00:19:12.640 an amazing,
00:19:14.080 shocking,
00:19:15.680 unfathomable story,
00:19:17.460 a story that would
00:19:19.160 be lusted after
00:19:20.120 by journalists
00:19:20.840 if it was
00:19:22.340 a white guy.
00:19:24.820 But if it was
00:19:25.680 a Muslim guy,
00:19:26.800 the son of a terrorist
00:19:27.740 plotter no less,
00:19:28.660 well then,
00:19:29.680 let's just not report it
00:19:31.800 other than that
00:19:32.600 sad, sad story
00:19:34.320 of the disabled boy
00:19:35.280 and his sad, sad mom
00:19:36.840 who really loved him.
00:19:39.920 I've said it before
00:19:40.880 and I'll say it again,
00:19:41.660 you just can't trust
00:19:43.240 a word
00:19:43.860 the mainstream media
00:19:45.680 says.
00:19:47.460 Stay with us
00:19:48.740 for more.
00:20:05.640 Welcome back.
00:20:06.640 Well, this week
00:20:07.140 we've been talking
00:20:07.820 a lot about
00:20:08.720 political censorship
00:20:09.760 on the internet,
00:20:10.840 especially about
00:20:11.540 Alex Jones
00:20:12.360 of InfoWars.
00:20:13.900 But it's not just
00:20:15.100 controversialists
00:20:16.340 like that.
00:20:16.840 it's major
00:20:18.160 mainstream debates
00:20:19.500 such as
00:20:20.160 the theory
00:20:21.000 of man-made
00:20:22.040 global warming
00:20:22.720 and what to do
00:20:24.100 about it,
00:20:24.620 if anything.
00:20:25.640 And here's what
00:20:26.480 scares me.
00:20:27.980 It's not just
00:20:28.940 radical,
00:20:32.380 troublemaking
00:20:33.100 entertainer journalists
00:20:34.420 who are being
00:20:35.100 censored.
00:20:35.860 And I respect
00:20:36.820 Alex Jones'
00:20:37.940 right to have
00:20:38.500 his free speech,
00:20:39.060 of course.
00:20:39.420 now YouTube
00:20:41.820 is positively
00:20:43.180 meddling
00:20:44.120 in any
00:20:47.300 videos
00:20:48.340 that bring
00:20:49.400 a skeptical
00:20:50.300 point of view
00:20:50.960 to the theory
00:20:51.560 of man-made
00:20:52.000 global warming.
00:20:52.480 Let me show you
00:20:53.000 this image here.
00:20:53.880 This is a video
00:20:54.720 by the prestigious
00:20:56.080 Prager University.
00:20:58.960 It's Richard
00:20:59.760 Lindzen
00:21:00.320 who is one of
00:21:01.640 the most thoughtful
00:21:02.360 thinkers and speakers
00:21:03.700 about global warming.
00:21:05.440 and you can see
00:21:06.320 appended
00:21:07.100 underneath the video
00:21:08.620 is a rebuttal,
00:21:11.000 a rebuttal
00:21:12.080 to his thesis
00:21:13.200 put there
00:21:14.820 by YouTube.
00:21:17.600 And joining us
00:21:18.260 now via Skype
00:21:19.280 is our friend
00:21:19.780 Mark Marana
00:21:20.300 to explain
00:21:21.260 this craziness.
00:21:23.940 Mark,
00:21:24.100 this isn't
00:21:24.600 actual censorship.
00:21:26.080 They're not knocking
00:21:26.920 this video off
00:21:27.680 the internet.
00:21:28.480 They're just putting
00:21:29.540 a corporate
00:21:31.120 rebuttal to it
00:21:33.000 underneath it.
00:21:34.000 I've never seen
00:21:34.740 that before.
00:21:37.360 Yeah,
00:21:37.980 this is all part
00:21:39.000 of a recent
00:21:39.960 or a long-going
00:21:41.180 campaign,
00:21:41.760 but recently
00:21:42.220 starting to show
00:21:43.080 impact
00:21:43.620 by the climate
00:21:44.520 activists
00:21:45.040 to censor
00:21:46.660 and shut down
00:21:47.540 the climate
00:21:48.040 debate
00:21:48.460 on social media,
00:21:50.180 on alternative
00:21:51.060 forms of
00:21:52.000 communication
00:21:53.040 and what they're
00:21:53.600 doing at YouTube,
00:21:54.360 as you just
00:21:54.780 pointed out.
00:21:55.960 It's YouTube
00:21:56.880 sourcing,
00:21:58.180 are you ready
00:21:58.600 for this,
00:21:59.120 Ezra?
00:21:59.840 Wikipedia
00:22:00.480 as the authority
00:22:02.300 to refute
00:22:03.420 MIT climate
00:22:04.500 scientist,
00:22:05.240 Dr.
00:22:05.600 Richard Lindzen,
00:22:06.320 who's done
00:22:06.600 hundreds of
00:22:07.080 peer-reviewed
00:22:07.560 studies and
00:22:09.260 has been at
00:22:10.560 the forefront
00:22:11.180 of the entire
00:22:12.440 climate change
00:22:13.220 debate for
00:22:14.080 35 plus years.
00:22:16.380 So this is how
00:22:17.100 YouTube,
00:22:18.200 you can just
00:22:18.600 imagine it now,
00:22:19.640 Ezra,
00:22:19.840 it's probably
00:22:20.180 some teenager
00:22:22.160 in a t-shirt
00:22:22.860 working part-time
00:22:24.260 for YouTube
00:22:24.820 and they're
00:22:25.260 posting up a
00:22:25.900 video,
00:22:26.200 but this is
00:22:26.540 very high up
00:22:27.260 in the corporate
00:22:27.760 offices.
00:22:28.820 My debate
00:22:29.520 with Bill Nye,
00:22:30.280 which is between
00:22:30.880 one and two
00:22:31.320 million views
00:22:32.000 from CNN
00:22:33.680 a few years
00:22:34.300 ago,
00:22:34.680 has now been
00:22:35.500 slimed,
00:22:36.420 so to speak.
00:22:37.280 It now has
00:22:38.240 this same
00:22:38.780 disclaimer.
00:22:40.080 Why?
00:22:40.840 They couldn't
00:22:41.320 let Bill Nye
00:22:41.960 speak for
00:22:42.380 himself,
00:22:42.880 but because
00:22:43.340 it features
00:22:43.920 me,
00:22:44.260 a skeptic.
00:22:44.840 Anything that
00:22:45.400 features anyone
00:22:46.860 who challenges
00:22:48.160 any part of
00:22:50.120 the climate
00:22:50.600 change narrative
00:22:51.420 put forth by
00:22:52.700 Al Gore and
00:22:53.960 the United
00:22:54.960 Nations will
00:22:55.620 now get this
00:22:56.600 YouTube
00:22:57.160 disclaimer,
00:22:58.680 explanation,
00:23:00.020 fact check,
00:23:00.920 if you will.
00:23:01.700 That's so
00:23:02.220 weird.
00:23:02.700 I mean,
00:23:03.000 the fact that
00:23:03.880 you were
00:23:04.180 debating Bill
00:23:05.000 Nye shows
00:23:05.780 that there
00:23:06.100 were two
00:23:06.460 sides of
00:23:07.000 the story
00:23:07.600 and Bill
00:23:08.460 Nye can
00:23:08.900 make his
00:23:09.320 case as
00:23:09.860 best as
00:23:10.240 he can
00:23:10.640 or if
00:23:10.900 he didn't
00:23:11.260 do well.
00:23:11.860 The fact
00:23:12.260 that YouTube
00:23:12.660 still came
00:23:13.580 in to
00:23:14.380 literally tilt
00:23:15.600 the scales,
00:23:16.740 to put their
00:23:17.160 finger on the
00:23:17.860 scale in a
00:23:19.320 debate is
00:23:20.080 crazy.
00:23:20.700 I know the
00:23:21.760 answer to
00:23:22.140 this,
00:23:22.340 but I'm
00:23:22.640 going to
00:23:22.760 ask you
00:23:23.100 anyways.
00:23:24.540 If they
00:23:25.160 put their
00:23:26.240 rebuttal under
00:23:27.580 Professor Richard
00:23:29.240 Lindzen,
00:23:30.080 like a
00:23:30.380 world-class
00:23:31.100 expert on
00:23:31.780 global warming,
00:23:32.980 who's a
00:23:33.840 skeptic,
00:23:34.520 do they put a
00:23:35.220 similar disclaimer
00:23:36.520 under the
00:23:37.300 pro-global
00:23:38.460 warming videos?
00:23:39.140 I mean,
00:23:39.360 I will
00:23:39.740 acknowledge that
00:23:40.940 there is a
00:23:41.400 debate about
00:23:42.280 the theory of
00:23:42.880 man-made global
00:23:43.460 warming,
00:23:44.040 that there is a
00:23:44.540 debate on what
00:23:45.260 to do about it,
00:23:45.960 if anything,
00:23:46.600 and how to do
00:23:47.340 it.
00:23:47.980 It's a
00:23:48.520 controversy,
00:23:49.260 which means
00:23:49.840 there's another
00:23:50.660 side of the
00:23:51.160 story.
00:23:51.460 I think I'm
00:23:52.260 right,
00:23:52.600 but I
00:23:52.860 acknowledge that
00:23:53.440 there's another
00:23:53.780 point of view.
00:23:54.740 Does Google at
00:23:55.600 least acknowledge
00:23:56.360 that there are
00:23:57.060 two points of view?
00:23:57.880 Are they even
00:24:00.960 handed in their
00:24:01.700 rebuttals,
00:24:02.180 or is this just
00:24:02.820 them weighing in
00:24:03.540 and saying,
00:24:03.940 nope,
00:24:04.900 if you're wrong,
00:24:06.340 we're going to
00:24:06.700 tell people he's
00:24:08.060 wrong?
00:24:10.460 Yeah,
00:24:10.980 no,
00:24:11.280 there's no even
00:24:12.320 hand in it.
00:24:13.180 In other words,
00:24:14.120 Al Gore,
00:24:15.420 John Kerry,
00:24:16.520 President Obama
00:24:17.460 are not going to
00:24:18.280 get these same
00:24:19.180 disclaimers at this
00:24:20.160 time.
00:24:20.560 You know why?
00:24:21.160 Because they agree
00:24:23.120 with the alleged
00:24:23.940 consensus.
00:24:24.980 They're not in
00:24:26.500 the wrong,
00:24:27.020 so YouTube
00:24:27.580 does not feel
00:24:28.280 the need to
00:24:28.860 put their
00:24:29.280 fact check up.
00:24:30.560 And by the
00:24:30.840 way,
00:24:31.680 the odd thing
00:24:32.520 about this
00:24:33.100 is YouTube,
00:24:34.320 whoever's behind
00:24:34.960 this policy at
00:24:35.820 YouTube,
00:24:36.240 you can just
00:24:36.580 imagine the
00:24:37.160 staff meeting,
00:24:38.040 they don't even
00:24:38.460 understand the
00:24:39.000 climate debate.
00:24:39.700 The actual
00:24:40.260 disclaimer that
00:24:41.120 they're putting
00:24:41.540 up,
00:24:41.940 sourcing
00:24:42.360 Wikipedia,
00:24:43.120 which by the
00:24:43.480 way,
00:24:43.660 Wikipedia's
00:24:44.340 climate change
00:24:45.000 pages change
00:24:46.460 about 100
00:24:46.900 times a day
00:24:47.660 between the
00:24:48.340 activists fighting
00:24:49.040 and just
00:24:49.400 constantly changing
00:24:50.160 stuff and
00:24:50.720 putting in
00:24:51.140 nonsense.
00:24:51.840 It's completely
00:24:53.200 the most
00:24:54.200 unreliable source
00:24:55.280 on climate you
00:24:55.960 can get,
00:24:56.280 number one.
00:24:56.680 And number
00:24:56.880 two,
00:24:57.780 the source,
00:24:58.660 the statement
00:24:59.280 that they're
00:24:59.660 actually issuing
00:25:00.480 to refute me,
00:25:02.100 Richard Lindzen,
00:25:02.840 any other skeptic
00:25:03.780 who dare question
00:25:04.700 it,
00:25:05.220 is that the
00:25:06.240 Earth has
00:25:07.400 warmed over the
00:25:08.340 last 100 plus
00:25:09.260 years or so.
00:25:10.060 And to their
00:25:10.840 mind,
00:25:11.240 a warming Earth
00:25:12.120 equals man-caused,
00:25:14.820 catastrophic,
00:25:15.880 and we must do
00:25:16.560 something about it.
00:25:17.580 And that to me
00:25:18.460 is shocking.
00:25:19.060 So their idea
00:25:19.840 of refuting a
00:25:20.580 skeptic is to
00:25:21.260 say the temperature's
00:25:22.400 gone up over 100
00:25:23.240 years.
00:25:23.560 And there's
00:25:23.940 not a single
00:25:24.340 skeptic who
00:25:25.280 will dispute
00:25:25.760 that because
00:25:26.280 of course our
00:25:27.440 temperatures have
00:25:28.020 warmed since
00:25:28.740 about 1850
00:25:29.680 when the end
00:25:30.140 of the Little
00:25:30.420 Ice Age.
00:25:30.940 So there's a
00:25:31.600 fundamental
00:25:32.020 misunderstanding of
00:25:33.320 the entire climate
00:25:34.540 debate, and then
00:25:35.760 there's an
00:25:36.060 outrageous source
00:25:37.020 of Wikipedia,
00:25:37.940 and then there's
00:25:38.500 the outrageous
00:25:38.880 selection process
00:25:40.000 of who they're
00:25:40.480 picking to give
00:25:42.320 this disclaimer
00:25:43.180 slash fact check
00:25:44.260 to.
00:25:44.900 Yeah.
00:25:45.160 And Wikipedia,
00:25:46.180 I mean, a lot of
00:25:46.600 people know what
00:25:47.200 Wikipedia is,
00:25:48.180 but just to
00:25:49.340 restate the
00:25:50.320 obvious, what's
00:25:51.620 so wonderful and
00:25:52.740 terrible about
00:25:53.580 Wikipedia is that
00:25:55.040 anyone in the
00:25:56.100 world can make an
00:25:57.180 edit on it.
00:25:58.240 Anyone can just
00:25:59.340 go and change
00:26:01.000 things.
00:26:01.440 Now, it could be
00:26:02.220 changed back and
00:26:03.060 there's sort of
00:26:03.520 battles, but it
00:26:05.320 literally is not
00:26:07.000 authoritative at all
00:26:09.240 because an infant,
00:26:13.320 a cat that is
00:26:15.580 typing on a
00:26:16.680 keyboard can change
00:26:18.340 Wikipedia because
00:26:19.580 that's just the
00:26:20.300 nature.
00:26:20.660 That's what makes
00:26:21.260 it so amazing is
00:26:22.180 you're tapping into
00:26:23.280 the aggregate wisdom
00:26:24.760 or folly of the
00:26:26.860 world.
00:26:27.320 It's not even that
00:26:28.420 they're relying on
00:26:29.180 some expert, some
00:26:30.300 Nobel Prize expert.
00:26:31.700 They're relying on
00:26:33.120 gossip, rumor.
00:26:35.380 It's as if someone
00:26:36.300 was going to the
00:26:36.980 YouTube comments
00:26:37.940 section, some
00:26:38.680 anonymous troll
00:26:39.440 said something.
00:26:40.400 That's what's so
00:26:41.200 laughable is to
00:26:42.300 rely on a
00:26:43.200 universally editable
00:26:45.080 source.
00:26:46.680 as some sort
00:26:47.400 of corrective
00:26:48.060 authority.
00:26:48.900 That's just
00:26:49.880 dumb.
00:26:52.100 It is, and it's
00:26:53.120 not just YouTube.
00:26:54.600 Facebook, I did a
00:26:56.160 video that's now
00:26:57.280 approaching 7 million
00:26:58.380 views.
00:26:59.020 And the Grist
00:27:00.280 magazine, the
00:27:01.100 video has gone
00:27:02.520 viral.
00:27:03.400 Media Matters for
00:27:04.160 America has now
00:27:04.820 said Facebook has a
00:27:06.840 climate denier
00:27:08.640 problem.
00:27:09.800 And they're using
00:27:10.420 my video of 6.5 million
00:27:12.900 views as a poster
00:27:13.940 child to go after
00:27:15.100 Mark Zuckerberg.
00:27:15.900 How are they going
00:27:16.740 after Mark Zuckerberg,
00:27:17.880 the founder of
00:27:18.460 Facebook?
00:27:19.400 Mark Zuckerberg is a
00:27:20.660 liberal.
00:27:21.240 Mark Zuckerberg
00:27:22.020 supports Al Gore,
00:27:23.600 the United Nations
00:27:24.320 climate view.
00:27:24.980 He's done and said
00:27:25.880 all the right things
00:27:26.620 about global warming.
00:27:27.620 His sin is he's
00:27:29.100 allowed climate
00:27:30.160 deniers to have
00:27:31.760 posts and videos
00:27:33.320 up on Facebook.
00:27:35.060 And they've
00:27:35.820 actually named
00:27:36.580 Mark Zuckerberg,
00:27:37.620 the Media Matters
00:27:39.220 for America,
00:27:39.840 funded by George
00:27:40.560 Soros, climate
00:27:41.800 misinformer of the
00:27:43.160 year for last
00:27:44.200 year for
00:27:44.800 allowing climate
00:27:45.860 skeptics to
00:27:46.680 appear on the
00:27:47.320 Facebook platform.
00:27:48.800 That is how
00:27:49.340 insane this is.
00:27:50.400 You can be a
00:27:50.940 climate activist in
00:27:52.580 good standing,
00:27:53.300 but if your
00:27:54.060 business model
00:27:54.860 allows for open
00:27:56.020 debate of any
00:27:56.840 kind, you are the
00:27:58.040 misinformer of the
00:27:58.920 year, which by the
00:27:59.500 way, I've won in
00:28:00.380 previous years.
00:28:01.780 And it's a big
00:28:02.420 deal.
00:28:02.860 Al Gore, when I won
00:28:03.600 the award, Al Gore
00:28:04.340 touted the award
00:28:05.360 that I won this
00:28:06.560 award.
00:28:06.940 It's supposed to be a
00:28:07.940 big dishonor.
00:28:08.780 Of course, I
00:28:09.340 welcomed it, but
00:28:10.260 they're going after
00:28:11.540 liberals are going
00:28:12.740 after liberals in
00:28:14.160 order to stop
00:28:14.920 Facebook.
00:28:15.540 So you have
00:28:15.780 YouTube and
00:28:16.380 Facebook now
00:28:17.240 shutting down
00:28:18.420 climate change.
00:28:19.880 You know what?
00:28:20.340 And that's, this is
00:28:21.120 the slippery slope
00:28:21.780 we talk about.
00:28:22.520 This is why we have
00:28:23.200 to fight for
00:28:23.640 freedom of speech
00:28:24.300 in the first
00:28:25.260 ditch, not the
00:28:25.900 last ditch.
00:28:26.520 You got to fight
00:28:27.420 for the Alex
00:28:28.540 Joneses of the
00:28:29.260 world because once
00:28:30.520 they take out
00:28:30.980 Alex Jones, next
00:28:31.880 is the Breitbards
00:28:32.780 of the world, the
00:28:33.400 rebels of the
00:28:33.900 world, and next
00:28:34.820 it's just even
00:28:35.560 literally PhDs in
00:28:37.680 climate science
00:28:39.220 like Richard
00:28:39.720 Lindzen, and it
00:28:40.840 wouldn't shock me
00:28:41.640 if ClimateDepot.com
00:28:43.740 one day were
00:28:44.720 just simply kicked
00:28:45.540 off of Facebook
00:28:46.340 because of left
00:28:47.480 wing pressure
00:28:47.940 groups.
00:28:48.720 Freedom of speech,
00:28:49.660 I think, is a
00:28:50.560 central issue of
00:28:51.360 our day, and I
00:28:52.460 believe that
00:28:53.080 deplatforming and
00:28:54.160 censorship has
00:28:54.820 actually become the
00:28:56.520 central value of
00:28:58.400 the progressive
00:28:58.980 left.
00:28:59.480 Mark, I hope you
00:29:00.100 fight back, and I
00:29:01.400 hope that others do
00:29:02.180 too, because they're
00:29:03.380 coming for you
00:29:03.860 today, they're
00:29:04.280 coming for the
00:29:04.760 rest of us
00:29:05.140 tomorrow.
00:29:05.420 Thank you, yeah,
00:29:08.000 and the thing is
00:29:08.640 they want to go
00:29:10.540 back to that era
00:29:11.560 of three network
00:29:12.580 TVs and PBS, and
00:29:14.400 that ended about
00:29:15.420 1995 officially,
00:29:17.400 really, with the
00:29:17.940 internet and all the
00:29:18.820 cable news and the
00:29:20.300 social media being
00:29:21.360 born a decade later.
00:29:23.000 They can't go back,
00:29:24.000 I don't think, but
00:29:24.700 they're going to do
00:29:25.120 everything they can.
00:29:26.360 I think there's too
00:29:27.100 many outlets, too
00:29:28.540 many sources, and if
00:29:29.800 YouTube does censor,
00:29:30.840 if Facebook does
00:29:31.620 censor, I think there
00:29:32.580 will be entrepreneurs
00:29:33.340 that come up and
00:29:34.540 start giving
00:29:35.100 alternatives.
00:29:35.820 I don't think the
00:29:36.380 people will stand
00:29:37.020 for it.
00:29:37.380 We're no longer
00:29:38.280 in the three-party
00:29:40.720 media, if you will,
00:29:42.040 of the three
00:29:42.380 networks.
00:29:42.840 We don't have to
00:29:43.540 tolerate this
00:29:44.200 anymore.
00:29:44.960 Well, I hope you're
00:29:45.520 right, as we've
00:29:46.100 talked about with
00:29:46.980 other guests in
00:29:47.740 recent days, it's
00:29:48.960 one thing to talk
00:29:49.640 about competition,
00:29:50.620 but as in the
00:29:52.340 case of standard
00:29:53.400 oil, sometimes it's
00:29:55.200 just impossible to
00:29:56.560 start a new
00:29:57.200 Facebook, start a
00:29:58.160 new oil refinery.
00:29:59.640 I don't know if
00:30:00.480 there's a role for
00:30:01.080 a trust buster like
00:30:02.840 Teddy Roosevelt.
00:30:03.440 We'll have to save
00:30:04.320 that conversation
00:30:05.040 for another day.
00:30:05.980 But thanks for
00:30:06.480 bringing this warning
00:30:07.160 with you today.
00:30:07.920 Great to see you
00:30:08.480 again, Mark.
00:30:11.080 Thank you, Ezra.
00:30:11.880 I appreciate it.
00:30:12.400 All right, there you
00:30:12.880 have it.
00:30:13.100 Mark Morano, he's
00:30:13.800 the boss of
00:30:14.300 ClimateDepot.com.
00:30:15.720 Very troubling that
00:30:16.820 YouTube would put in
00:30:18.260 their corporate
00:30:19.560 rebuttals, just slap
00:30:21.720 it on anything they
00:30:22.480 don't like, as if
00:30:23.980 some voice on high
00:30:25.140 was saying, don't
00:30:26.320 believe this.
00:30:27.080 I find that very
00:30:27.780 troubling, and I'm
00:30:28.760 absolutely certain our
00:30:30.420 rebel videos will be
00:30:32.040 tagged with that next.
00:30:32.780 Stay with us.
00:30:33.880 More ahead on the
00:30:34.360 rebel.
00:30:46.060 Welcome back.
00:30:46.780 Well, as you know, the
00:30:48.360 statue of John A.
00:30:49.400 MacDonald on the steps
00:30:50.400 of the City Hall in
00:30:52.220 Victoria will be taken
00:30:53.720 down.
00:30:54.180 No one less than the
00:30:54.880 mayor herself says it's
00:30:56.500 an important thing to do
00:30:58.320 in the name of
00:30:59.040 aboriginal reconciliation.
00:31:00.840 I only wonder when the
00:31:03.320 name of the city,
00:31:04.980 Victoria, will be
00:31:06.960 changed, of course,
00:31:07.940 named after the
00:31:08.840 queen.
00:31:09.220 And when you think
00:31:09.980 about it, British
00:31:11.080 Columbia is the name
00:31:13.400 of the entire
00:31:14.000 province, and we'd
00:31:15.260 better get rid of
00:31:15.960 that racist
00:31:17.080 obsolescence as well.
00:31:19.220 I'm only half
00:31:20.160 joking.
00:31:20.640 I think we are
00:31:21.220 denuding our country
00:31:22.660 of its history.
00:31:24.020 Joining me now to
00:31:24.580 talk about this is
00:31:25.680 our friend John
00:31:26.300 Gormley, who's the
00:31:27.600 host on Rolko Radio
00:31:29.040 in Saskatchewan, on
00:31:30.300 650 CKOM and
00:31:31.860 980 CJME.
00:31:33.780 John, great to see
00:31:34.360 you again.
00:31:34.600 Thanks for being on
00:31:35.080 the show.
00:31:36.120 Thank you, Ezra.
00:31:36.920 Good to see you.
00:31:37.780 You know, one of the
00:31:39.060 things that gets me
00:31:39.680 about this historical
00:31:40.580 destruction, it feels
00:31:44.100 Stalinist to wipe out
00:31:46.380 someone from history
00:31:47.300 like those erasing,
00:31:48.840 when Stalin would
00:31:49.820 erase someone from an
00:31:51.120 old photograph and
00:31:51.880 they had fallen out of
00:31:52.620 favor.
00:31:53.520 Whatever flaws in our
00:31:55.900 past, surely we
00:31:57.620 shouldn't wipe it
00:31:59.300 clean and not even
00:32:00.200 learn from it.
00:32:00.940 Surely everyone,
00:32:02.560 especially the founder
00:32:03.560 of our great country,
00:32:05.120 should be studied, not
00:32:06.700 un-person.
00:32:08.420 That's my thoughts.
00:32:09.220 What are yours?
00:32:10.600 Well, my thoughts are
00:32:11.400 exactly yours on this.
00:32:12.840 The doctrine of what
00:32:13.740 they call presentism is
00:32:15.700 really rearing its head
00:32:16.860 here.
00:32:17.420 And this is where we
00:32:18.260 take a snapshot today of
00:32:21.080 values, social mores,
00:32:23.100 even the law.
00:32:23.880 And so, through this
00:32:25.440 present lens, we look
00:32:27.180 back and then we go
00:32:28.740 look for things that
00:32:30.580 don't comport with our
00:32:32.360 values today.
00:32:33.480 Then, of course, if you
00:32:34.500 weigh in a whole bunch of
00:32:36.000 political correctness and
00:32:37.000 post-modernism, then we
00:32:38.700 can also get very
00:32:39.480 offended.
00:32:40.580 You know, the mayor in
00:32:41.260 Victoria, and you know
00:32:42.540 what she was up to,
00:32:43.380 because on her campaign
00:32:44.380 page, she's got a
00:32:46.660 snippet of Hansard, which
00:32:48.220 is the record of the
00:32:48.940 House of Commons, from
00:32:50.400 the 1880s, where
00:32:52.580 Johnny MacDonald goes
00:32:54.000 on at great length
00:32:55.000 about, you know, the
00:32:56.100 savages, referring to
00:32:57.480 indigenous people as
00:32:58.400 savages, which, again,
00:33:00.280 was not a term unused
00:33:02.100 by many people in the
00:33:04.000 19th century.
00:33:05.140 So, again, using this
00:33:06.720 presentism, it's pretty
00:33:08.620 easy to pick Johnny
00:33:10.040 MacDonald as low-hanging
00:33:11.600 fruit, because, of
00:33:12.900 course, he was the
00:33:13.440 architect of the failed
00:33:15.380 residential schools
00:33:16.340 program.
00:33:17.600 Yeah, you know what?
00:33:18.360 The use of language is
00:33:19.840 particularly interesting.
00:33:21.060 I mean, is it
00:33:23.320 African-American?
00:33:24.900 Is it Afro-American?
00:33:26.680 Is it person of
00:33:28.280 color?
00:33:28.700 Is it colored person?
00:33:29.860 All these fine
00:33:31.300 nuances, each one of
00:33:34.280 those names I've just
00:33:35.260 said there was
00:33:36.940 fashionable in its
00:33:37.800 time.
00:33:38.120 There's a great
00:33:38.740 charity called the
00:33:40.180 NAACP, National
00:33:42.340 Association for the
00:33:43.300 Advancement of
00:33:44.140 Colored People.
00:33:45.260 There's something
00:33:45.720 called the United
00:33:46.500 Negro College Fund.
00:33:48.860 Obviously, these are
00:33:50.160 pro-black organizations.
00:33:52.360 No one would look
00:33:53.040 back and say, you
00:33:53.820 said Negro, you
00:33:54.840 said colored, you're
00:33:56.340 racist.
00:33:56.760 They weren't racist
00:33:57.460 at all.
00:33:57.840 Those were, in fact,
00:33:58.840 considered modern and
00:34:00.980 positive phrases.
00:34:02.920 It's hard for us to
00:34:04.180 believe that the word
00:34:04.880 savage was anything
00:34:05.900 positive, although I
00:34:06.900 suppose it means wild
00:34:08.340 or untamed in some
00:34:09.580 meanings.
00:34:10.400 But Aboriginal,
00:34:12.060 indigenous, First
00:34:12.920 Nation, the law
00:34:14.440 itself is called the
00:34:15.260 Indian Act.
00:34:15.820 And if that's what
00:34:16.860 we're, this is what
00:34:17.940 really gets me, John,
00:34:18.700 I'd love your thoughts
00:34:19.260 on this.
00:34:19.940 If we're just being so
00:34:21.640 punctilious, well, you
00:34:22.940 said Aboriginal instead
00:34:24.960 of indigenous, aren't we
00:34:26.580 really ignoring the
00:34:27.680 problem, which is you
00:34:28.740 can use whatever fancy
00:34:30.220 phrase you like, but
00:34:32.140 unless you're dealing
00:34:32.820 with Aboriginal
00:34:33.420 unemployment, social
00:34:35.320 dysfunction, alcoholism,
00:34:37.140 crime, the real things
00:34:38.380 that actually hurt real
00:34:39.620 Aboriginal people, you
00:34:41.460 can use whatever fancy
00:34:42.620 phrase you want, and
00:34:43.540 it's all showboating.
00:34:44.560 It is, and in an odd
00:34:47.860 way, you know, if it's
00:34:49.080 showboating and virtue
00:34:50.220 signaling, the beauty
00:34:52.160 of presentism, of
00:34:53.840 course, is everybody
00:34:54.680 you're going after is
00:34:56.640 dead.
00:34:57.420 So it's particularly
00:34:59.000 easy because, of
00:35:00.220 course, you know, one
00:35:01.220 of the value sets of
00:35:02.340 this kind of thinking
00:35:03.140 isn't generally
00:35:04.620 typified by a great
00:35:06.200 deal of courage in any
00:35:07.260 event.
00:35:07.900 You know, usually it's
00:35:08.600 anonymous cowardice,
00:35:10.400 but my goodness, to go
00:35:11.860 after dead people, what
00:35:13.540 you're doing with John
00:35:14.440 Amy McDonald, interesting
00:35:16.120 story, very much along the
00:35:17.360 same line, out of
00:35:18.620 Liverpool.
00:35:19.980 And Liverpool, which, of
00:35:21.740 course, great port city in
00:35:22.980 Britain, shipped things in
00:35:25.420 and out for centuries, and
00:35:27.900 most of the famous streets
00:35:29.060 in Liverpool are named
00:35:30.440 after the shipping barons and
00:35:32.780 magnates, and slaves were
00:35:36.200 routinely, you know, 200
00:35:37.740 years ago, shipped in and out
00:35:39.240 of Liverpool.
00:35:39.660 And one of the shipping
00:35:41.440 magnates, of course, was a
00:35:43.300 virulent anti-abolitionist
00:35:45.340 pro-slave trader named James
00:35:47.760 Penny, after whom Penny Lane
00:35:51.140 is named.
00:35:52.340 So as they've been redoing
00:35:54.000 these, Penny Lane was
00:35:55.260 actually on the list, and then
00:35:56.260 they realized, you know, there
00:35:57.640 were those four kids from
00:35:58.840 Liverpool, maybe you heard of
00:36:00.400 them, the Beatles.
00:36:00.860 So they've left Penny Lane
00:36:02.480 alone.
00:36:02.980 But this is the lengths to
00:36:04.720 which this exercise is carried
00:36:06.300 out.
00:36:06.680 And you're absolutely right.
00:36:07.980 It's not just going back and
00:36:09.420 applying the values.
00:36:11.540 It's avoiding today's real
00:36:14.360 issues by spending this much
00:36:15.740 time on those.
00:36:17.100 You know, one of my favorite
00:36:18.880 interviews I've ever done in my
00:36:20.140 life was a big hour-long sit
00:36:22.540 down with Chief Clarence Louis of
00:36:25.000 the Soyuz Indian Band.
00:36:27.180 Very entrepreneurial, completely
00:36:29.040 employment and economic
00:36:30.800 development oriented.
00:36:32.540 And he has tough talk.
00:36:33.660 He's politically incorrect.
00:36:35.680 But he's got very low
00:36:37.740 unemployment, very low substance
00:36:39.940 abuse on his reserve.
00:36:40.940 In fact, white folks come onto
00:36:43.120 the reserve to work.
00:36:44.100 There's so much industry there.
00:36:45.880 One of my favorite things about
00:36:47.180 Chief Louis, and I don't know if
00:36:48.660 you've had the pleasure of
00:36:49.560 meeting him, John, is he wears
00:36:52.040 all his gear, his Indian brand.
00:36:55.940 He's got an Indian brand
00:36:58.540 motorcycle jacket.
00:37:00.200 You know, he's like, he loves
00:37:01.260 the word Indian.
00:37:03.160 And my point is, and why do I
00:37:05.500 mention that?
00:37:06.820 Because I've never heard a real
00:37:08.980 Indian who cares about jobs or
00:37:11.260 work or helping his people.
00:37:12.640 Never in my life have I heard a
00:37:15.260 real Aboriginal person say, you
00:37:17.200 know what makes me mad?
00:37:19.180 You know what holds us back?
00:37:21.340 That John A.
00:37:22.280 McDonald and the statue.
00:37:23.380 Like, I've never in my life heard
00:37:25.960 a real Aboriginal person put that
00:37:28.260 on a list of problems, grievances,
00:37:31.120 let alone, you know, I mean, my
00:37:32.600 point about Clarence Louis is he's
00:37:34.200 not fussed about Indian,
00:37:35.840 Aboriginal, Indigenous.
00:37:37.500 I don't think real people care.
00:37:39.640 I think this is mainly white,
00:37:41.920 liberal showboats.
00:37:43.080 There is a lot of that.
00:37:45.580 But there's also within the
00:37:47.480 Indigenous community an exceedingly
00:37:50.420 activist core now.
00:37:52.820 And they work very closely with the
00:37:56.040 aforementioned, you know, white law
00:37:57.960 professors and white activists of
00:37:59.980 various sorts.
00:38:00.960 But it's very much now become the
00:38:04.200 issue.
00:38:04.880 I mean, you know, here in the
00:38:06.620 heartland of Canada on the prairies,
00:38:08.000 the number of times the word
00:38:09.940 colonizer, settler, colonialist,
00:38:13.540 this is the kind of language is
00:38:15.060 thrown around a great deal.
00:38:16.300 And you're right, not by anybody in
00:38:18.960 the Aboriginal community who's getting
00:38:21.020 on with doing positive stuff.
00:38:23.260 But it's part of and I find it
00:38:25.700 fascinating that in the truth and
00:38:26.860 reconciliation movement, when we set
00:38:29.460 up the TRC, as it was called years
00:38:32.400 ago, it was modeled on South Africa.
00:38:34.420 And one of the fundamental parts of
00:38:37.960 being able to reconcile was, first of
00:38:40.200 all, telling the truth.
00:38:41.580 Yeah.
00:38:41.820 But then moving through an acceptance
00:38:44.160 of forgiveness and a moving ahead.
00:38:47.420 Right.
00:38:47.800 And I think, for example, your model in
00:38:50.840 Victoria, this mayor is doing this for
00:38:53.840 reconciliation.
00:38:54.980 So help me understand how we reconcile
00:38:57.800 to build ahead and bigger by going back
00:39:01.180 to debates in the 1860s and removing
00:39:04.100 someone's statue.
00:39:05.060 So I think we've got to get a little
00:39:06.780 bit of work done on where the role of
00:39:09.400 the past is as we help it define our
00:39:12.080 future.
00:39:12.660 Yeah.
00:39:12.900 You know, I really appreciate you
00:39:14.800 telling and reminding me that there is
00:39:17.520 a core of radical activists within the
00:39:19.380 Aboriginal community.
00:39:20.060 I would imagine the vast majority of
00:39:22.680 them are subsidized in some way by tax
00:39:25.660 money, by academia or as I guess Tom
00:39:30.260 Flanagan and others would say the
00:39:31.640 Indian industry, which is largely white,
00:39:33.600 of course.
00:39:34.560 And it reminds me of Black Lives Matter.
00:39:36.700 I mean, I think most normal African
00:39:39.500 Americans, you know, they have economic
00:39:41.720 challenges, too.
00:39:42.540 They have lower economic success.
00:39:44.300 So jobs is the main thing.
00:39:46.760 And, you know, they have family, you know,
00:39:49.280 there's prison reform issues and drug
00:39:52.220 issues and the like.
00:39:53.900 To be obsessed with race, I think, is not
00:39:58.460 a true economic solution.
00:39:59.720 And it separates.
00:40:00.820 I think the whole Black Lives Matter
00:40:02.740 movement in America pulled the races
00:40:06.180 further apart and all closer together.
00:40:08.380 And I sense that some of this extremism
00:40:10.820 has the same purpose.
00:40:12.740 It's identity politics to make us classify
00:40:15.500 ourselves as white or Aboriginal or whatever
00:40:19.620 instead of just Canadian.
00:40:20.920 I think it's actually the opposite of
00:40:23.680 reconciliation.
00:40:24.160 John, my theory is it is about dividing us
00:40:27.500 and then making us see ourselves as racial
00:40:30.320 tokens rather than just friends and
00:40:32.460 neighbours.
00:40:32.780 I don't think that's I don't think that's off
00:40:36.280 the mark at all.
00:40:37.160 And, you know, again, I distinguish, as you
00:40:40.460 do, I think, from the people who are on the
00:40:43.400 front lines getting things done.
00:40:45.680 You know, a province like ours in Saskatchewan
00:40:47.520 is in this respect important because we have the
00:40:50.620 highest percentage of Indigenous population.
00:40:53.560 It's about 17 percent.
00:40:55.280 There are amazing success stories, university
00:40:59.120 enrollment rates, high school completion rates.
00:41:01.280 Everything's changing, but still the outcomes
00:41:04.680 today because of substance abuse, family
00:41:07.260 dysfunction and a lot of that, yes, traceable
00:41:10.020 back to residential schools.
00:41:11.840 So the important exercise and the Truth and
00:41:14.420 Reconciliation Commission was telling the
00:41:16.680 truth, getting the answers, facing the really
00:41:19.560 harsh realities.
00:41:20.900 But for the average person in the Indigenous
00:41:23.440 community today, most of them live in the city
00:41:26.260 because, again, the reserves are very difficult
00:41:29.260 places to have economic activity and jobs.
00:41:32.360 But the average Indigenous person today is looking at
00:41:36.900 a whole bunch of issues and it's not based on my
00:41:40.420 place because of race.
00:41:42.260 The people, I think, who are doing the wedge issue in
00:41:45.140 the identity politics, there's a bigger game at play
00:41:48.380 here and it's not moving the great robust community, which
00:41:53.440 is Indigenous people, non-Indigenous people, not
00:41:55.540 moving that community ahead.
00:41:56.980 Yes, I'm worried that it's also going to burn up goodwill
00:42:01.380 in otherwise sympathetic old stock white Canadians, for want
00:42:06.300 of a better phrase.
00:42:07.060 I think that there is a lot of goodwill in Canada towards
00:42:09.660 Aboriginal people, some of the issues you've just raised.
00:42:11.800 And I think if these gratuitous swipes at John A.
00:42:16.000 Macdonald or other symbols, they don't move Aboriginal
00:42:18.380 people ahead, but they make the rest of the community a
00:42:22.260 little bit, it's rough and it's not, it's the opposite of
00:42:27.660 reconciliation.
00:42:28.180 It's almost like a vengeance.
00:42:30.020 I don't think it's moving anyone forward.
00:42:32.820 Last word to you, John.
00:42:34.880 You've got to speak to people's hearts.
00:42:36.820 You've got to speak to what brings us together into a
00:42:39.040 virtuous circle and I think there is, there's a fatigue with
00:42:44.120 a lot of activism, not just racially based activism, but
00:42:47.420 activism in general.
00:42:48.600 So, I think you've got to see past and see through that
00:42:52.020 because it's frankly not worth the time to slow dynamic
00:42:56.400 people down and the whole issue is how do we move ahead?
00:42:59.380 Yeah, right on.
00:43:00.360 Well, John, I know you cover this well because as you say,
00:43:02.420 Saskatchewan and your neighbour province, Manitoba, these
00:43:06.020 are very real practical matters as opposed to places
00:43:08.980 like Toronto where the Aboriginal population is not as
00:43:12.740 significant.
00:43:14.160 Great to see you again, my friend.
00:43:15.100 Thanks for spending the time with us.
00:43:17.120 Always.
00:43:17.620 Thank you, Ezra.
00:43:18.180 All right, there you have it.
00:43:19.040 John Gormley, he's with Rolko Radio.
00:43:21.420 He's the star of Saskatchewan and those of us outside
00:43:24.540 Saskatchewan who get his wisdom from time to time via Skype
00:43:27.540 as we did today.
00:43:28.820 Stay with us.
00:43:29.620 More ahead on The Rebel.
00:43:30.620 Hey, welcome back.
00:43:42.220 On my monologue yesterday about the city of Victoria wanting
00:43:44.700 to remove a statue of Sir John A. Macdonald instead of working
00:43:47.840 on real Aboriginal issues, Don writes,
00:43:49.660 John A. Macdonald was a visionary who imagined and consequently
00:43:53.580 engineered one of the finest countries on the planet.
00:43:56.420 He also had the practical will and the backbone to order and
00:43:59.280 oversee the building of the Canadian Pacific Railway, which tied
00:44:02.140 it all together.
00:44:03.140 The over-indoctrinated and profoundly under-informed Lilliputians
00:44:07.420 who would presume to reduce this great man to a mere racist
00:44:10.180 neither understand the meaning of the word, the context of the time,
00:44:13.800 nor, most importantly, the content of their own souls.
00:44:16.580 There's a lot in there, Don.
00:44:20.720 But yeah, I think it also goes to the fact that we aren't taught
00:44:23.220 our own history, are we?
00:44:25.860 Bruce writes, Victoria's leftists figure they can de-person
00:44:29.860 historical figures in some sort of memory hole, and like
00:44:32.820 communist dictatorships, statues keep getting replaced
00:44:35.000 according to who is in power.
00:44:38.080 That's exactly right.
00:44:39.180 It's terrifying.
00:44:39.980 You know, there's this authoritarian streak.
00:44:41.720 I've studied Mao Zedong a little bit.
00:44:44.040 He had such terrifying ideas.
00:44:46.800 You know, he wanted to replace people's names with numbers.
00:44:50.220 Can you believe that?
00:44:51.720 That's so diabolical.
00:44:54.400 He wanted to raise everything to the ground, to start everything
00:44:58.000 at year zero.
00:44:59.020 That's that same instinct we see even here in Canada.
00:45:02.840 Susan writes, how do you judge history by current standards and
00:45:05.320 continue to make our nation great?
00:45:07.180 It just doesn't work.
00:45:08.480 Enough of the apologies and rewriting of history.
00:45:10.760 Read it, learn, and move forward in a well-educated manner.
00:45:14.040 Yeah, and, you know, as I tried to say, every single continent on the
00:45:19.600 earth has had violence, has had slavery.
00:45:25.080 We know this.
00:45:26.300 You can sort of think slowly and calmly about it and remember and know
00:45:29.940 and realize that there were slaving aboriginal tribes in North America
00:45:35.200 when Cortez and Diaz landed with the conquistadors in Central America.
00:45:39.520 They were in a massive war, various empires at the time.
00:45:45.440 The idea that Canadian society or Western society is this evil place of
00:45:52.080 slavery is the exact opposite.
00:45:53.520 In fact, it was really the first place to rebel and outlaw slavery.
00:45:58.020 And you could say that the U.S. Civil War was a couple hundred thousand
00:46:03.500 Northern Americans deciding to lay down their lives to end, in part, slavery.
00:46:08.260 That was what the Civil War was about, in part.
00:46:11.260 I don't know any other country that has sacrificed hundreds of thousands of its own
00:46:15.580 citizens to end slavery.
00:46:18.820 But that's the West.
00:46:19.660 Yeah, there are things in the West from our history that we can learn from.
00:46:23.800 But to condemn the West, well, that's disproportionate.
00:46:27.800 And I think it's ahistorical.
00:46:30.640 Well, that's our show for today until Monday.
00:46:33.860 On behalf of all of us here at Rubble World Headquarters, good night.
00:46:37.160 And keep fighting for freedom.
00:46:38.400 We'll be right back.