Rebel News Podcast - September 06, 2019


Alberta： MacKinnon Report shows true extent of Rachel Notley's overspending, so Kenney must act now


Episode Stats

Length

36 minutes

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169.31009

Word Count

6,195

Sentence Count

323

Misogynist Sentences

10

Hate Speech Sentences

13


Summary

A new multi-party investigation into Alberta's finances shows things are much worse than Rachel Notley ever let on. Ezra Levenant talks with Sheila Gunn-Reed about a "turkey invasion" by left-wing hippies on a turkey farm.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hey, folks, today's show is about an Alberta multi-party committee report
00:00:06.120 into how to get it back economically.
00:00:08.020 But actually, I think the highlight of today's podcast
00:00:10.140 is my interview with my friend Sheila Gunn-Reed about a turkey invasion.
00:00:16.140 30, or is it 60, left-wing hippies storm a turkey farm in Alberta,
00:00:22.400 but not just any turkey farm.
00:00:23.720 They chose one because it was Hutterite.
00:00:27.800 I'll tell you what that means, and Sheila will help me explain in a moment.
00:00:30.980 Before I get out of the way and let you hear the podcast,
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00:00:47.320 All right. Without further ado, here's today's podcast.
00:00:51.380 You're listening to a Rebel Media podcast.
00:00:53.860 Tonight, a new multi-party investigation into Alberta's finances
00:00:58.340 shows things are much worse than Rachel Notley ever let on.
00:01:01.860 It's September 5th, and this is The Ezra LeVant Show.
00:01:04.500 Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
00:01:10.320 There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
00:01:14.380 The only thing I have to say to the government about why I publish it
00:01:17.880 is because it's my bloody right to do so.
00:01:25.600 It's a cliche that when a new government takes over from an old government
00:01:28.620 and they look behind the curtain and look at what's really going on,
00:01:31.380 it's always worse than we knew, they say.
00:01:33.740 Sometimes that's just hyperbole, an opportunity for the new government
00:01:36.480 to lower expectations.
00:01:37.980 I mean, it's smart.
00:01:38.980 But when the government that was just ejected
00:01:41.600 was the most extreme socialist government to ever rule,
00:01:44.940 yeah, you know it's really going to be bad, worse than anyone let on.
00:01:49.460 Obviously, I'm talking about Rachel Notley's NDP in Alberta
00:01:52.400 and the mess they left behind.
00:01:53.980 You can't raise taxes, attack your key industry,
00:01:58.280 hobble any surviving businesses with new regulations,
00:02:00.940 drive away investment, hire a record number of your public service union friends,
00:02:05.960 do the government payroll, give them all raises,
00:02:09.980 and expect the things you can stay together.
00:02:12.200 Frankly, had the NDP itself won re-election,
00:02:15.080 they would have imploded in their second term.
00:02:16.820 Much like Bob Ray's Ontario started to implode
00:02:21.180 in the final years of his NDP mandate.
00:02:24.800 I don't know if you recall that thing called Ray Days.
00:02:28.240 They were so deep in debt, they were so out of cash,
00:02:31.420 that they just started telling bureaucrats,
00:02:33.060 hey, how about just take some days off without pay?
00:02:37.240 Just don't come in.
00:02:39.640 I mean, it's great to be a socialist
00:02:40.820 until you run out of other people's money,
00:02:43.220 as Bob Ray did and Notley was doing.
00:02:45.100 Notley was lucky in that she left just before the place fell down.
00:02:50.420 It's still imploding, by the way,
00:02:52.520 just because Jason Kenney is the Premier now
00:02:54.840 hasn't solved the key problems there.
00:02:57.160 That's still the problem of Justin Trudeau
00:03:00.360 and his war on oil and gas and his carbon tax
00:03:03.660 and his pledge to transition off fossil fuels.
00:03:07.040 That's still a problem.
00:03:08.940 I've said time and time again,
00:03:10.820 and you're all tired of hearing me say it,
00:03:12.460 you can't make a choice between what's good for the environment
00:03:15.480 and what's good for the economy.
00:03:17.460 We can't shut down the oil sands tomorrow.
00:03:20.820 We need to phase them out.
00:03:22.960 We need to manage the transition off of our dependence on fossil fuels.
00:03:27.020 Yeah, just because Rachel Notley's gone,
00:03:29.040 do you think oil companies are lining up to invest
00:03:31.700 while Trudeau is still in power federally?
00:03:33.920 Or while John Horgan is the Premier of BC still,
00:03:37.940 or the insane, out-of-control political courts
00:03:40.000 continue to give political wins
00:03:42.420 to foreign-funded environmental lobby groups
00:03:44.640 suing to stop everything, as they just did this week?
00:03:47.140 Frankly, even if you were to boot out Trudeau and Horgan
00:03:50.820 and put non-crazy judges on the courts,
00:03:53.420 you just can't turn around an industry like that on a dime.
00:03:56.260 When a company like Shell or Total
00:03:57.800 just up and leaves and shuts down
00:03:59.720 a $5 or $10 billion oil sands project,
00:04:02.340 it doesn't come back just by flipping a switch.
00:04:06.000 By the way, they're probably busy
00:04:07.560 working in less capricious jurisdictions
00:04:09.840 like Texas or Pennsylvania or Australia
00:04:13.060 or literally a hundred other countries
00:04:14.720 that are happy to have jobs and make money off oil and gas.
00:04:17.940 All right, enough preamble.
00:04:20.020 Here's the news.
00:04:21.760 Jason Kenney called the doctor,
00:04:22.960 and the doctor said it's bad.
00:04:25.380 The doctor is the McKinnon Commission.
00:04:29.820 It's a team of doctors led by Janice McKinnon.
00:04:32.340 Now, she's the former finance minister of Saskatchewan
00:04:35.080 under an NDP premier named Roy Romano.
00:04:39.300 The vice chair of the panel is Mike Percy,
00:04:42.700 formerly a senior liberal politician.
00:04:47.500 Do you see what's happening here?
00:04:48.640 We have ourselves a multi-partisan,
00:04:50.480 and perhaps more accurately, a non-partisan group.
00:04:53.480 And they're experts.
00:04:55.200 They're not just politicians.
00:04:56.140 I'm underselling them.
00:04:57.100 McKinnon is a professor.
00:04:58.480 Percy is a professor.
00:04:59.620 We're talking about PhD smart experts here,
00:05:02.040 people who know economics,
00:05:03.400 not just party hacks who know nothing,
00:05:05.160 like Notley's crew.
00:05:07.100 We're talking about scholars, economists.
00:05:08.820 There's a couple more researchers on the panel,
00:05:10.960 and even this strange bird, Dave Mowat,
00:05:14.860 an eco-extremist I don't like one bit.
00:05:17.020 You'll remember he was the NDP's climate-fighting hero.
00:05:20.220 He actually went down to an Al Gore training camp once.
00:05:22.820 He runs Alberta Treasury branches,
00:05:24.600 the provincial government's bank.
00:05:26.000 And I point out how diverse this is
00:05:30.060 to show you the same exactly the Jason Kenney fan club.
00:05:32.900 It's as multi-party as you get in a place like Alberta.
00:05:36.200 And here's the thing.
00:05:38.100 They were unanimous.
00:05:39.740 Every one of them.
00:05:40.560 The NDP have left a disaster.
00:05:42.740 Not just a little blip.
00:05:43.940 Not just a small problem.
00:05:45.160 A disaster.
00:05:46.100 And it's a spending problem.
00:05:47.280 Here, listen to McKinnon herself.
00:05:49.020 There is a spending problem here.
00:05:51.680 If you're spending $3.6 billion more per person in health
00:05:56.280 and you have longer wait times,
00:05:58.400 you have a problem.
00:05:59.860 Something isn't working.
00:06:01.300 And we detail there what has to change.
00:06:04.920 You use hospitals too much.
00:06:07.460 You rely too much on just doctors.
00:06:09.240 All of that has to change.
00:06:11.000 So you get the spending problem under control.
00:06:15.100 And then you look at the tax mix,
00:06:17.620 and that will be up to another group of people
00:06:20.340 and the government will oversee that.
00:06:22.300 But I don't think there's a case here for raising taxes.
00:06:25.780 There's a case here for getting spending under control.
00:06:29.000 Now, the report that they filed is 82 pages,
00:06:31.400 but it also comes with a 150-page accounting document
00:06:34.180 prepared by KPMG.
00:06:35.860 They weren't messing around here.
00:06:37.460 So let me sum it up for you.
00:06:39.620 Alberta's got a cut with an axe, not a scalpel.
00:06:43.120 Now, for anyone who's been paying attention to Alberta
00:06:45.720 for the past four years, you're thinking,
00:06:47.600 what more could you possibly cut in that province?
00:06:50.120 That province has been devastated.
00:06:51.800 The oil patch is a ghost town, really.
00:06:53.560 High unemployment, higher than anywhere west of the Atlantic.
00:06:55.980 Climbing actually just devastated.
00:06:57.640 When Alberta has higher unemployment than Quebec,
00:07:00.300 you got yourself a problem.
00:07:01.180 How could you possibly cut more out of those people?
00:07:04.760 Well, all those people who've been cut,
00:07:06.460 those are real Albertans I've been describing.
00:07:08.060 Because while real Albertans have been in a deep
00:07:10.440 economic recession for four years,
00:07:13.340 the government sector has been having a party.
00:07:16.380 Alberta right now has the highest number
00:07:18.100 of government bureaucrats in its history.
00:07:20.000 And they've never been paid more than right now in history.
00:07:23.340 It's boom times if you're a bureaucrat in Alberta,
00:07:26.820 in the government.
00:07:28.120 It's a party, no surprise there.
00:07:29.760 The number one occupation of the NDP MLA's last term
00:07:32.900 was government workers.
00:07:34.800 Notley's own husband was a lobbyist for a government union.
00:07:37.860 They are doing better than ever after four fat years.
00:07:41.760 It's those folks who need a cut for the first time in years,
00:07:46.000 which is why I suspect there won't be anyone else
00:07:48.740 who gives a damn when those cuts come,
00:07:50.520 other than the public sector unions
00:07:52.360 and the media sympathizers they have.
00:07:54.780 We've seen this movie before.
00:07:56.300 Ralph Klein faced the same thing in the 90s
00:07:58.300 when he was tasked with bringing Alberta back from the brink then.
00:08:01.440 Let's go through the McKinnon report just a bit.
00:08:03.780 Now, you know what the biggest spending item is
00:08:06.720 for every Canadian province?
00:08:08.140 It's health care.
00:08:09.380 Or more accurately, government unions
00:08:11.080 who say they do health care.
00:08:12.500 It's different.
00:08:14.020 Because most people in the health care business in Canada
00:08:16.480 are not nurses or doctors actually making you healthy.
00:08:19.900 They're bureaucrats,
00:08:21.080 the kind of people Notley truly champion.
00:08:22.940 Here's proof.
00:08:23.500 Look at table 12 in the McKinnon report.
00:08:25.580 It compares Alberta's health care to other key provinces.
00:08:28.260 BC is a good comparison.
00:08:30.560 Ontario and Quebec are good comparisons too.
00:08:32.260 So look at that first line.
00:08:33.580 Alberta spends more than $5,000 per capita
00:08:35.500 on health care a year
00:08:36.560 compared to way less in those other three provinces.
00:08:39.780 But look at the age-adjusted figures.
00:08:42.260 And what I think that means is that,
00:08:44.180 I mean, Alberta is a young population
00:08:47.240 compared to other places.
00:08:48.220 So a healthy 30-year-old male
00:08:50.300 doesn't really use health care.
00:08:52.920 And Alberta's population is amongst the youngest in the country.
00:08:55.460 I think it is the youngest.
00:08:57.840 So you adjust for age,
00:08:59.380 and Alberta is way overspending.
00:09:01.500 More than $5,300 per person.
00:09:03.500 That's about 50% more spending than other provinces.
00:09:06.900 But look further.
00:09:07.700 The cost of a standard hospital stay,
00:09:09.880 almost $8,000 compared to far less
00:09:12.340 in those other comparable provinces.
00:09:14.700 And remember,
00:09:15.060 we're not comparing Alberta to the poorest places.
00:09:19.140 We're not comparing to Newfoundland.
00:09:20.840 We're comparing to British Columbia and Ontario
00:09:22.560 who have as good or better health care than Alberta.
00:09:26.100 So why is Alberta's health care so expensive?
00:09:28.140 Four years of socialist governments
00:09:31.000 rewarding their public sector unions is part of it.
00:09:33.200 But let's be candid.
00:09:34.300 The last few conservative premiers
00:09:35.960 weren't very conservative at all, were they?
00:09:38.960 One more line.
00:09:39.620 Just look at the average wait time
00:09:41.460 to get medical care,
00:09:42.960 to get a doctor to see you.
00:09:44.980 In Alberta, it's 26 weeks.
00:09:46.540 That's half a year.
00:09:47.840 That's almost double what it is in Quebec.
00:09:49.760 So Alberta is spending way more,
00:09:51.480 but getting way less
00:09:52.460 because the government unions are sopping it up.
00:09:55.380 They've been partying.
00:09:57.820 The first four recommendations
00:09:59.160 in the McKinnon report
00:10:00.040 are to rein in hospital costs
00:10:02.020 and allow alternative payment systems.
00:10:04.140 That means private insurance.
00:10:05.800 That means letting people pay.
00:10:07.700 You know, a free market might do that.
00:10:09.280 Let me remind you,
00:10:10.260 this is a report chaired
00:10:11.180 by a former NDP cabinet minister
00:10:12.840 from Saskatchewan,
00:10:14.400 home of Tommy Douglas.
00:10:16.240 All right, I spent some time on health care,
00:10:17.580 the biggest spending item,
00:10:18.860 but let's look at the next one, schools.
00:10:20.400 I won't go in equal depth here,
00:10:22.600 but look at this.
00:10:23.920 On education,
00:10:24.920 the panel recommends
00:10:25.800 that the government should
00:10:26.640 work with education stakeholders
00:10:29.720 to decrease the percentage
00:10:31.000 of government funding
00:10:31.700 that goes to administration
00:10:33.160 and governance,
00:10:34.660 currently 24.6%,
00:10:36.240 to a level comparable
00:10:37.080 to British Columbia, 17%.
00:10:39.300 Holy moly.
00:10:41.620 Do you get that?
00:10:42.160 So what they're saying is
00:10:42.980 Alberta spends a quarter
00:10:45.240 of all education dollars
00:10:47.960 on bureaucrats.
00:10:50.740 If you look at it,
00:10:51.380 that's actually 50% more
00:10:52.600 than the B.C. government does.
00:10:55.680 It's 25% on administration in Alberta.
00:10:59.980 That's eight more than 17%,
00:11:01.620 which is in Alberta.
00:11:02.420 So that's 50% more, of course,
00:11:05.940 because government unions
00:11:07.040 who have been running the government
00:11:08.600 have had a four-year party,
00:11:09.880 and frankly, before that,
00:11:11.320 under the Progressive Conservatives.
00:11:12.740 Look at this one.
00:11:13.340 I'm not going to go through all of them.
00:11:14.280 I'm just going to look at a couple.
00:11:15.220 Recommendation 21.
00:11:17.720 Adopt a fiscal rule
00:11:18.860 that limits the annual increases
00:11:20.200 in total program spending
00:11:21.280 to the projected rate of increase
00:11:22.840 in total household incomes in Alberta.
00:11:25.320 I like that.
00:11:26.020 So that means if the average family
00:11:27.880 gains only 1% in income in a year,
00:11:31.380 the government can't increase
00:11:32.860 expending any more than that.
00:11:34.220 Why should they?
00:11:34.900 Why should they?
00:11:35.580 Why are they allowed to be fancy
00:11:37.040 and living high off the hog
00:11:38.580 when the whole province
00:11:39.520 has had four brutal years?
00:11:40.680 Now, I wonder if the opposite
00:11:41.680 holds true, too.
00:11:42.420 If the average Alberta household
00:11:43.880 loses 1% or 2% or 3% or 4% or 5%,
00:11:47.020 surely the government
00:11:47.900 should shrink, too.
00:11:49.100 Maybe that's what this whole
00:11:50.400 health care and education plan is about.
00:11:52.200 Look at figure 21.
00:11:54.480 Alberta pays more for nurses
00:11:55.560 than pretty much anywhere comparable.
00:11:57.220 Why?
00:11:58.660 Alberta's cost of living
00:11:59.540 is lower than Vancouver or Toronto.
00:12:01.960 Taxes are still lower
00:12:03.360 than Vancouver or Toronto.
00:12:04.940 So why should nurses
00:12:06.820 be paid more in Alberta
00:12:08.160 other than they're part
00:12:09.920 of the government workers' union
00:12:13.080 who have partied
00:12:14.380 under an NDP union government?
00:12:16.880 Look at figure 22.
00:12:18.920 Alberta teachers make more
00:12:19.860 than even those in Toronto.
00:12:20.820 How is that even possible?
00:12:22.380 How is that even possible?
00:12:23.820 Look at figure 26.
00:12:25.020 Grants to cities.
00:12:26.040 Why does Alberta's provincial government
00:12:27.500 give so much more money to cities
00:12:29.660 than any other place
00:12:30.860 in the country does?
00:12:31.540 Is the garbage collection
00:12:32.940 in Alberta's cities
00:12:33.920 that much better
00:12:34.980 than in other cities?
00:12:36.200 Why?
00:12:36.800 Because Calgary and Edmonton
00:12:38.240 and other towns
00:12:39.040 have left-wing mayors
00:12:39.760 who can't stop spending.
00:12:41.360 They tax their own people too,
00:12:42.460 by the way.
00:12:42.760 So Alberta is number one
00:12:43.740 in the country for spending.
00:12:45.380 Number one for overspending.
00:12:46.880 But look at how it's doing
00:12:47.860 on the earning money side.
00:12:49.620 Not so good.
00:12:50.260 Look at figure 28.
00:12:52.120 A decrease in private sector investment
00:12:54.100 in every single year.
00:12:56.080 Canada's not doing much better
00:12:57.340 as a whole, by the way,
00:12:58.380 under Trudeau,
00:12:58.900 but it's moving slightly
00:13:00.320 in the positive.
00:13:02.660 Alberta's had four years of disaster
00:13:03.840 and it doesn't look quick to end.
00:13:05.380 How can you keep ramping up spending
00:13:06.900 when for four years
00:13:07.700 the alarm has been ringing?
00:13:10.000 Can I quote the panel
00:13:11.660 saying the obvious?
00:13:14.860 Alberta used to be known
00:13:15.680 as the most entrepreneurial place
00:13:16.900 in Canada.
00:13:17.380 We used to believe
00:13:17.900 that if there was a good place
00:13:19.060 to invest,
00:13:20.500 to start and grow a business,
00:13:21.740 it was Alberta.
00:13:23.120 Through its research
00:13:23.820 and conversations,
00:13:24.660 the panel has learned
00:13:25.320 that Alberta no longer
00:13:26.260 has that reputation.
00:13:28.460 Yeah, that's true.
00:13:29.360 It's shocking, but it's true.
00:13:30.340 Of course it's true.
00:13:30.920 We all know it's true.
00:13:31.980 I won't take you
00:13:32.620 through the whole report.
00:13:33.360 You can find it
00:13:33.840 pretty quickly online.
00:13:34.620 Frankly, I don't think
00:13:35.620 you'd be surprised
00:13:36.180 by a single word of it.
00:13:37.780 It's just a splash
00:13:38.480 of cold water in the face
00:13:39.600 to see it all published
00:13:40.340 in one place
00:13:40.840 and by a multi-partisan
00:13:42.560 group of experts,
00:13:43.680 including liberals
00:13:44.500 and New Democrats
00:13:45.160 and that kooky Al Gore robot
00:13:47.360 named Dave Mowat.
00:13:49.220 But there's good news.
00:13:50.260 Good news underneath
00:13:51.160 all the bad news.
00:13:52.260 The good news is
00:13:53.180 Albertans.
00:13:55.040 Look, the idea of fixing things,
00:13:56.220 that's what Alberta does.
00:13:58.000 True, there have been
00:13:58.640 many companies
00:13:59.240 that have gone out of business
00:14:00.180 in Alberta
00:14:00.520 or just left for greener pastures,
00:14:02.180 but there are plenty
00:14:02.780 of Albertans
00:14:03.240 who have stayed
00:14:04.040 by being smart,
00:14:05.700 by cutting out things
00:14:06.760 they had to cut,
00:14:07.460 by avoiding cutting
00:14:09.340 the things they couldn't cut.
00:14:11.800 Alberta has been down before
00:14:13.000 and has come back.
00:14:13.720 Albertans are smart.
00:14:14.280 They know how to do this.
00:14:15.140 There are 100 Alberta companies,
00:14:16.420 1,000, probably 10,000
00:14:18.460 Alberta companies
00:14:19.620 and hundreds of thousands
00:14:20.760 of Alberta families
00:14:21.760 who have dealt
00:14:22.760 with these exact same problems
00:14:24.560 on their own scale,
00:14:25.940 company-wide
00:14:26.500 or family-wide budget.
00:14:28.340 You're over-budgeting
00:14:29.320 your family,
00:14:29.760 you fix it.
00:14:30.400 Alberta's spending
00:14:33.180 more than they earn
00:14:33.900 so they've got to
00:14:34.340 get control of their lives
00:14:35.100 just like 10,000
00:14:36.900 Alberta companies
00:14:37.880 and hundreds of thousands
00:14:38.680 of Alberta families did.
00:14:39.540 And they did.
00:14:40.600 They cut to survive,
00:14:42.000 they tighten their belts
00:14:42.820 and things will be good
00:14:43.860 again one day.
00:14:45.840 So the province
00:14:46.580 is actually full of people
00:14:48.060 who know how to do this
00:14:49.500 and who are emotionally,
00:14:51.680 well, they've done it before.
00:14:53.320 So fixing the problem
00:14:54.160 is pretty clear how.
00:14:55.620 Cut the spending,
00:14:56.360 clear out the government unions,
00:14:57.360 bring in the private sector,
00:14:58.240 stop the growth of government.
00:14:59.200 Nothing magical.
00:14:59.860 It's hard work
00:15:01.200 and the private sector
00:15:01.920 has done that hard work
00:15:02.940 for four years on itself.
00:15:04.400 Now it's time
00:15:05.040 for the public sector
00:15:06.080 to do that too.
00:15:07.100 They've been riding
00:15:07.620 on the back of the private sector.
00:15:09.240 They need to take some cuts too.
00:15:10.700 This McKinnon report
00:15:11.560 provides the multi-party cover
00:15:14.400 to Jason Kenney.
00:15:15.720 This isn't about the UCP
00:15:16.980 or the NDP.
00:15:18.080 This is about fixing
00:15:18.720 the whole province.
00:15:19.640 The panel was unanimous
00:15:21.040 in its advice.
00:15:22.740 It's time to do it
00:15:23.540 and do not blink.
00:15:24.480 And you know in advance
00:15:26.320 that the unions will squawk.
00:15:27.640 They'll take to the streets.
00:15:28.640 The government unions that is.
00:15:30.300 The private sector unions
00:15:31.660 and the oil patch and industry,
00:15:33.620 they've already had their cuts.
00:15:35.220 A lot of them are unemployed.
00:15:36.220 I don't think you're going to see
00:15:37.340 a lot of oil sands unionized workers
00:15:39.680 standing by their bureaucrat
00:15:41.400 brothers and sisters.
00:15:43.380 They'll be cheering on the cuts.
00:15:45.500 Do it!
00:15:47.620 Or put another way,
00:15:48.640 if it's not done now,
00:15:49.700 it'll never be done.
00:15:50.920 It could never be done.
00:15:51.960 And Jim Denning used to say
00:15:53.100 you can't jump a chasm
00:15:54.660 in two leaps,
00:15:56.260 two small leaps.
00:15:57.980 It's got to be one big jump.
00:15:59.140 Jason Kenney hasn't yet brought in
00:16:00.660 his first budget.
00:16:01.700 His political capital
00:16:02.460 will never be higher
00:16:03.400 than it is right now.
00:16:04.480 His mandate will never be stronger
00:16:05.880 than it is right now.
00:16:07.060 This report gives him
00:16:08.340 the independent,
00:16:10.100 multi-party certification
00:16:11.380 that he has to cut.
00:16:13.000 He must.
00:16:15.780 It's...
00:16:16.340 It's not enough.
00:16:18.200 It won't be enough
00:16:18.920 on its own to save the problems.
00:16:20.420 I'm sorry.
00:16:20.780 It's not sufficient
00:16:21.540 to save the problems
00:16:23.100 by cutting,
00:16:23.560 but it's a necessary first step.
00:16:25.640 The problems in Ottawa,
00:16:26.880 in B.C.,
00:16:27.440 in our courts,
00:16:28.080 they'll come later.
00:16:28.980 But for now,
00:16:30.480 balance the budget
00:16:31.300 in the manner outlined
00:16:32.420 by the new Democrat,
00:16:34.840 Janice McKinnon.
00:16:36.620 Stay with us for more.
00:16:37.540 Thank you.
00:16:50.420 Welcome back.
00:16:52.280 Well, do you know
00:16:52.560 what Hutterites are?
00:16:54.880 It's a Christian farming commune,
00:16:58.520 is what I would say.
00:16:59.540 In other parts of North America,
00:17:01.540 there are similar groups.
00:17:03.140 You would call them the Amish,
00:17:05.740 for example,
00:17:06.700 in Pennsylvania.
00:17:08.560 It is basically people
00:17:11.100 who keep themselves
00:17:13.460 generally pacifist
00:17:15.420 who are farmers
00:17:18.320 in communal farms.
00:17:20.840 And in Alberta,
00:17:22.260 where I originally come from,
00:17:23.780 they're some of the best people around.
00:17:25.780 They don't make trouble.
00:17:27.520 They don't go looking for fights.
00:17:29.240 Sort of the opposite.
00:17:30.320 I would even say they're shy.
00:17:32.580 I know that's a stereotype,
00:17:34.600 but I'd call them shy.
00:17:35.600 So I read this story
00:17:39.820 in the paper
00:17:40.400 and I was furious.
00:17:43.720 Can I read a little bit
00:17:44.700 of it to you?
00:17:46.180 This is from Global News,
00:17:47.800 which has video of it as well.
00:17:49.860 Let me read a little bit
00:17:50.420 from the Global News story
00:17:51.200 and then I'm going to bring in
00:17:52.200 my friend Sheila Gunn-Reed,
00:17:53.620 who knows Hutterites well
00:17:54.800 and is friends with many Hutterites
00:17:56.040 and can give her point of view
00:17:57.700 on this story as a farmer.
00:17:59.380 Let me read a little bit.
00:18:01.820 Dozens of protesters
00:18:03.460 illegally stormed
00:18:05.420 a southern Alberta
00:18:06.940 Hutterite turkey farm Monday,
00:18:09.660 demanding more transparency
00:18:11.340 and alleging the animals
00:18:12.820 are treated inhumanely.
00:18:16.380 They went to Fort McLeod,
00:18:17.880 which is not easy to get to.
00:18:19.480 Like it's not Toronto,
00:18:20.880 Montreal, Vancouver,
00:18:21.920 Calgary, Edmonton,
00:18:22.600 even something like a major city.
00:18:23.780 You have to go there.
00:18:26.340 About 30 people
00:18:28.300 illegally planted themselves
00:18:30.720 inside the Jumbo Valley
00:18:31.840 Hutterite turkey farm
00:18:32.920 and another 30
00:18:34.660 stood outside
00:18:35.900 near the highway.
00:18:38.040 And then get this,
00:18:38.660 the protesters,
00:18:39.680 who said they're not
00:18:40.580 with any particular group,
00:18:42.000 I'm sorry, that's a lie,
00:18:43.580 explained they wanted
00:18:44.380 to highlight the living conditions
00:18:45.660 of the 30,000 turkeys.
00:18:49.420 Ryan Park,
00:18:50.580 one of the protesters,
00:18:51.400 says,
00:18:52.020 we're out here
00:18:52.600 to expose
00:18:53.260 the injustices
00:18:54.380 that happen to these animals
00:18:55.560 behind closed doors.
00:18:56.940 We want transparency
00:18:58.040 in the way our food is made.
00:18:59.940 I believe that people knew
00:19:00.920 what goes on behind these doors
00:19:02.000 that wouldn't want
00:19:02.640 to consume these products.
00:19:05.100 Let me read a little bit more
00:19:06.220 and I'm going to call in Sheila
00:19:07.160 in just a moment,
00:19:07.780 but I'm just so mad
00:19:08.620 at this story.
00:19:09.340 The owner of the farm
00:19:10.540 refuted that argument.
00:19:12.160 Mark Chetter said
00:19:13.620 the animals
00:19:14.040 at his free-range turkey farm
00:19:15.460 have plenty of space
00:19:16.700 and are treated very well.
00:19:18.200 He said he has nothing to hide,
00:19:19.240 so he showed
00:19:20.080 the protesters around.
00:19:23.100 It's our livelihood,
00:19:24.900 he said.
00:19:25.440 Our boys get up early
00:19:26.500 and come to do work here.
00:19:27.760 We don't butcher these turkeys.
00:19:29.200 It's on the food chain.
00:19:30.200 It's safe
00:19:30.700 and we work with the turkey board
00:19:32.220 far as crowding goes
00:19:33.840 and we do everything
00:19:34.320 in a very humane way.
00:19:36.960 Chetter called it
00:19:37.600 a terrible morning,
00:19:38.980 I can only imagine.
00:19:41.340 We tried to deal with them
00:19:42.680 in a very nice manner
00:19:43.380 because it was very agitating,
00:19:44.880 he said,
00:19:45.520 referring to the protesters,
00:19:46.640 not the turkeys.
00:19:47.180 To see people come off
00:19:49.220 the highway into your farm,
00:19:51.080 I mean, I won't do it,
00:19:51.920 I don't expect other people
00:19:52.780 to do it,
00:19:53.160 so what kind of people
00:19:53.900 are these?
00:19:54.280 It's really mind-boggling.
00:19:57.080 Yeah, that's called
00:19:57.680 a home invasion.
00:20:01.280 Both groups said
00:20:02.820 they called RCMP
00:20:04.340 to keep the peace.
00:20:05.660 Well,
00:20:06.480 to keep the peace.
00:20:11.520 This was trespass.
00:20:13.340 This was extortion.
00:20:15.320 I'll get to that in a moment.
00:20:16.240 Essentially,
00:20:16.600 and here's the cop talking.
00:20:19.120 Essentially,
00:20:19.560 we would have the authority
00:20:20.360 to remove them forcibly
00:20:21.580 would have been
00:20:22.520 a bigger issue,
00:20:23.380 said Sergeant Brian Mucha.
00:20:25.100 So a peaceful resolution
00:20:26.140 is kind of what
00:20:26.800 ended up happening
00:20:27.440 and they did end up
00:20:28.460 leaving the property.
00:20:29.420 I'm sorry,
00:20:29.800 that is an unacceptable resolution.
00:20:32.800 If someone punches you
00:20:33.880 in the nose,
00:20:34.980 it's not,
00:20:35.920 well,
00:20:36.260 we didn't want to escalate
00:20:37.120 so we let him walk away.
00:20:38.060 No,
00:20:38.180 that's an assault.
00:20:39.580 If 30 people
00:20:40.280 storm your property
00:20:41.420 and they say,
00:20:42.760 well,
00:20:42.920 if you let us go,
00:20:43.720 we'll go,
00:20:44.520 that's not,
00:20:45.080 I'm sorry,
00:20:45.340 that's not a resolution.
00:20:47.020 The job of police
00:20:48.000 is not to keep the peace,
00:20:49.420 it's to uphold the law.
00:20:51.560 That's different,
00:20:52.180 isn't it?
00:20:54.740 Here's the extortion part.
00:20:57.020 While the incident
00:20:58.020 didn't turn violent,
00:20:59.340 the protesters said
00:21:00.480 they wouldn't leave
00:21:01.940 unless their three demands
00:21:03.180 were met.
00:21:03.800 They wanted some
00:21:04.480 of the turkeys
00:21:04.920 to be released
00:21:05.600 to a sanctuary,
00:21:07.800 media coverage
00:21:08.480 of the barn's interior,
00:21:09.400 and to walk away
00:21:10.100 without charges.
00:21:10.800 That's called extortion.
00:21:14.080 The farm gave them
00:21:15.720 five turkeys,
00:21:17.260 and Global News
00:21:18.040 was allowed
00:21:18.440 to enter the barn.
00:21:20.760 Police are investigating.
00:21:22.940 I am so angry
00:21:24.260 at this story.
00:21:25.860 Joining me now
00:21:26.580 from Alberta
00:21:27.760 is someone
00:21:28.580 who knows
00:21:29.140 a little bit
00:21:29.460 about farming,
00:21:30.460 a little bit
00:21:30.840 about Hutterites,
00:21:31.860 and a lot
00:21:32.660 about the creepy
00:21:34.040 weirdo left.
00:21:36.320 Our friend
00:21:36.980 and chief reporter,
00:21:38.440 Sheila Gunn-Reed.
00:21:39.080 Sheila,
00:21:39.300 how you doing?
00:21:40.620 Hey, Ezra.
00:21:41.280 I'm great.
00:21:42.240 Thanks for having me on.
00:21:43.320 Like you,
00:21:44.300 this story
00:21:45.120 enrages me
00:21:47.580 because, truly,
00:21:49.800 Hutterites are
00:21:50.380 the best possible
00:21:51.340 neighbors
00:21:51.760 that you can have.
00:21:53.240 Full disclosure,
00:21:54.120 I just live down the road
00:21:55.160 from the Scotford
00:21:56.200 Hutterite colony.
00:21:57.420 I'm there quite a bit.
00:21:58.500 In fact,
00:21:59.260 I buy my turkeys there.
00:22:00.640 Why?
00:22:01.260 Because,
00:22:01.700 unlike these activists,
00:22:03.380 I know that turkeys
00:22:04.280 are not benevolent creatures
00:22:05.580 but awful,
00:22:06.760 horrible,
00:22:08.000 evil,
00:22:08.520 strong,
00:22:09.940 ugly creatures.
00:22:13.040 The thing that really
00:22:14.340 irritates me
00:22:15.100 about this
00:22:15.980 is that I
00:22:16.960 believe
00:22:17.800 that these activists,
00:22:19.560 and they say
00:22:19.900 they're activists
00:22:20.480 from all over
00:22:21.280 the prairies,
00:22:22.560 they specifically
00:22:23.620 targeted
00:22:24.580 a Hutterite colony
00:22:25.780 because there are
00:22:27.560 turkey and poultry
00:22:28.900 barns
00:22:29.440 all across
00:22:30.840 the prairies,
00:22:31.600 all across Alberta.
00:22:32.500 but they targeted
00:22:34.700 a Hutterite barn
00:22:35.600 I think specifically
00:22:36.580 because of the best
00:22:37.740 qualities
00:22:38.240 of Hutterites,
00:22:39.440 that they're peaceful
00:22:40.000 people,
00:22:40.640 they're neighborly
00:22:41.320 people,
00:22:42.340 they're called
00:22:43.040 by their religion
00:22:43.820 to be pacifist
00:22:44.960 and non-confrontational.
00:22:46.560 So this is the
00:22:47.420 safest place
00:22:48.400 for these people
00:22:49.460 to go
00:22:50.040 and invade
00:22:51.220 and like you say
00:22:51.960 a home invasion
00:22:52.920 and to extort
00:22:54.680 some of their
00:22:56.340 property from them.
00:22:57.340 These turkeys
00:22:57.840 are their property
00:22:58.600 like
00:22:58.960 the farm boss
00:23:00.800 I think it was
00:23:01.540 Mark Cheddar
00:23:02.040 pointed out
00:23:02.660 this is their
00:23:03.680 livelihood.
00:23:04.300 You need to
00:23:04.680 understand
00:23:05.300 Hutterite colonies
00:23:06.820 it's families
00:23:08.560 it's families
00:23:09.920 and families
00:23:10.560 and families
00:23:11.020 that live
00:23:11.460 and work
00:23:11.940 together.
00:23:12.480 Now they live
00:23:12.980 communally
00:23:13.540 but they certainly
00:23:14.380 are capitalists.
00:23:16.080 This is a business
00:23:16.800 but there's
00:23:18.320 children there
00:23:19.380 this is where
00:23:19.960 they live
00:23:20.620 this isn't just
00:23:21.380 where they work
00:23:22.220 and so when
00:23:22.900 they're invading
00:23:23.540 the barns
00:23:24.180 they're invading
00:23:24.740 their home
00:23:25.720 this truly is
00:23:27.020 a home invasion
00:23:28.400 and then when I
00:23:28.960 hear that
00:23:29.800 the police
00:23:32.120 sort of brokered
00:23:33.220 a peace deal
00:23:34.380 with home invaders
00:23:35.720 that just puts
00:23:36.720 a target on the
00:23:37.480 backs of all
00:23:38.520 the other
00:23:39.040 Hutterite colonies
00:23:40.020 across the province.
00:23:41.800 I know there's
00:23:42.840 probably at least
00:23:43.520 20 Hutterite colonies
00:23:44.560 in southern Alberta
00:23:45.920 there's other
00:23:46.940 colonies that are
00:23:47.660 very very close
00:23:48.820 to the Jumbo Valley
00:23:49.960 colony
00:23:50.500 that's this one
00:23:51.320 here
00:23:51.640 and I'm very
00:23:53.620 worried for the
00:23:54.580 state of affairs
00:23:55.180 if the RCMP
00:23:56.000 are just letting
00:23:57.260 activists walk
00:23:59.020 onto the property
00:24:00.000 of these farms
00:24:01.020 and steal
00:24:02.000 livestock
00:24:03.060 and then leave
00:24:03.860 without charges
00:24:04.600 or mass arrests
00:24:06.000 this is a very
00:24:07.300 dangerous precedent.
00:24:08.500 It's outrageous
00:24:09.540 and you're so right
00:24:10.540 if you tried
00:24:11.720 taking 30 hippies
00:24:14.000 and I do not believe
00:24:14.840 for one second
00:24:15.540 oh we're just folks
00:24:16.640 who just came together
00:24:18.060 who funded this
00:24:19.320 who paid for this
00:24:20.120 who organized it
00:24:21.160 what hand is
00:24:22.380 behind the scenes here
00:24:23.480 and I'm not going
00:24:25.360 to speculate
00:24:26.200 theories
00:24:26.980 but I tell you
00:24:27.880 one thing
00:24:28.380 these new
00:24:28.940 vegan burgers
00:24:30.240 out there
00:24:30.860 they're certainly
00:24:31.460 putting a big
00:24:32.680 PR push behind it
00:24:34.100 I'm not saying
00:24:34.940 it's them
00:24:35.260 I want to know
00:24:35.760 who it is
00:24:36.300 behind it
00:24:36.860 and with these
00:24:37.860 cops you're saying
00:24:38.460 oh you can just go
00:24:40.320 hey guys
00:24:40.960 you can go now
00:24:41.740 we're certainly
00:24:42.300 not going to find
00:24:42.860 it with that kind
00:24:43.300 of Keystone Cobb
00:24:44.020 action
00:24:44.360 I'm deeply
00:24:45.020 disappointed
00:24:45.520 in the RCMP
00:24:46.260 but let me
00:24:47.260 put it this way
00:24:48.180 you go to an
00:24:48.940 industrial
00:24:49.420 scale
00:24:51.340 corporate turkey farm
00:24:52.500 and I got nothing
00:24:53.180 against them
00:24:53.740 I'm just saying
00:24:54.900 you go to an
00:24:55.540 industrial farm
00:24:56.640 with 30
00:24:57.920 stinking hippies
00:24:59.700 and you try and go
00:25:01.320 in their
00:25:01.940 turkey barns
00:25:03.640 you're going to get
00:25:04.280 a shotgun blast
00:25:05.980 to the face
00:25:06.740 you're going to get
00:25:08.460 people handcuffing you
00:25:10.160 until the cops arrive
00:25:11.240 you're going to get
00:25:12.180 armed farmers
00:25:13.680 showing you
00:25:14.680 what's what
00:25:15.320 they literally
00:25:16.640 went to pacifists
00:25:18.040 and I can't even
00:25:19.180 believe
00:25:19.920 that Cheddar
00:25:21.120 gave them
00:25:21.640 I mean
00:25:21.920 and it just shows
00:25:22.820 the turn the other
00:25:23.920 cheek attitude
00:25:24.620 of these
00:25:25.140 saintly people
00:25:26.360 they would literally
00:25:28.700 turn the other
00:25:29.880 cheek and give
00:25:30.440 five turkeys
00:25:31.060 to these guys
00:25:31.720 I saw your tweet
00:25:32.940 imagine
00:25:33.740 the little Prius
00:25:35.160 with these
00:25:35.900 stinking hippies
00:25:36.640 and a bunch of
00:25:37.260 turkeys pecking
00:25:38.160 at them
00:25:38.540 on their way out
00:25:39.800 that made me laugh
00:25:40.840 but just a moment
00:25:41.920 of laughter
00:25:42.440 amidst an appalling
00:25:43.620 appalling story
00:25:44.680 well and there's
00:25:46.260 more to this story
00:25:47.220 I did a little
00:25:47.720 research on Jumbo
00:25:48.680 Valley because
00:25:49.380 I am the local
00:25:50.780 Anabaptist
00:25:51.760 defile
00:25:52.340 I'm a big
00:25:54.280 Hutterite fan
00:25:55.120 Jumbo Valley
00:25:56.700 is a daughter
00:25:57.900 colony of another
00:25:58.920 colony so the
00:25:59.580 other colony
00:26:00.020 got big
00:26:00.680 and so they
00:26:01.560 split
00:26:01.820 they bought
00:26:02.180 some land
00:26:02.560 and split
00:26:03.140 so Jumbo Valley
00:26:04.760 runs free range
00:26:06.560 turkeys
00:26:06.940 this is the
00:26:07.660 most ethical
00:26:08.840 if there's such
00:26:10.220 a thing
00:26:10.520 of all farming
00:26:11.280 I mean
00:26:11.640 I think all
00:26:12.360 farmers are
00:26:12.840 pretty ethical
00:26:13.460 but these turkeys
00:26:14.460 are living a good
00:26:15.180 life as far as
00:26:16.100 meat turkeys go
00:26:17.320 Jumbo Valley
00:26:18.760 started in 2016
00:26:20.000 so these are
00:26:20.720 state of the art
00:26:21.900 brand new
00:26:22.720 barns that
00:26:23.660 these turkeys
00:26:24.340 are in
00:26:25.020 and they're
00:26:26.340 using state of
00:26:27.240 the art
00:26:27.520 farming methods
00:26:28.420 to run
00:26:29.040 free range
00:26:30.020 turkeys
00:26:30.360 and yet still
00:26:31.240 that's not
00:26:31.800 enough for
00:26:32.240 these activists
00:26:32.920 to come along
00:26:33.980 and accuse
00:26:34.780 them of being
00:26:35.680 mean or
00:26:36.700 oppressive
00:26:37.540 to their
00:26:38.100 turkeys
00:26:38.860 I gotta tell
00:26:39.920 you too
00:26:40.300 I think
00:26:41.220 you're right
00:26:41.740 that there's
00:26:42.220 some other
00:26:42.760 sinister sort of
00:26:44.520 organization
00:26:45.260 behind these
00:26:46.420 people
00:26:46.820 because
00:26:47.520 in my
00:26:48.880 contact
00:26:49.320 with the
00:26:49.820 people
00:26:50.080 who were
00:26:50.520 actually
00:26:51.100 there
00:26:51.740 and I
00:26:52.460 did have
00:26:52.880 a little
00:26:53.180 bit of
00:26:53.620 contact
00:26:54.400 with the
00:26:55.100 activists
00:26:55.520 who were
00:26:55.840 actually
00:26:56.220 there
00:26:56.440 they're
00:26:57.320 dumb
00:26:57.660 as a
00:26:57.980 pile
00:26:58.240 of
00:26:58.460 hammers
00:26:58.900 these
00:26:59.440 people
00:26:59.740 have me
00:27:00.420 of all
00:27:01.000 people
00:27:01.560 on their
00:27:03.160 media
00:27:03.580 release list
00:27:04.300 so they
00:27:04.700 sent me
00:27:05.340 their
00:27:05.740 pictures
00:27:06.720 from inside
00:27:07.740 the barn
00:27:08.160 that shows
00:27:08.640 you just
00:27:09.020 how dumb
00:27:09.560 they are
00:27:10.100 I mean
00:27:10.660 the last
00:27:11.520 person
00:27:11.940 I am
00:27:12.760 is an
00:27:13.140 animal rights
00:27:13.820 activist
00:27:14.380 I mean
00:27:15.260 I suppose
00:27:15.660 I could
00:27:16.440 be in
00:27:16.900 that I
00:27:17.640 like to
00:27:18.880 eat
00:27:19.180 well loved
00:27:19.820 animals
00:27:20.260 because I
00:27:20.760 think they
00:27:21.200 taste delicious
00:27:22.140 and I
00:27:22.580 insist on
00:27:23.100 eating animals
00:27:23.760 that I knew
00:27:24.160 personally
00:27:24.640 just so I
00:27:25.180 know where
00:27:25.400 my food
00:27:25.800 comes from
00:27:26.380 but they
00:27:27.240 sent me
00:27:27.940 their
00:27:28.520 pictures
00:27:29.880 posing
00:27:30.580 with the
00:27:31.220 turkeys
00:27:31.800 looking longingly
00:27:33.140 into these
00:27:33.760 turkeys eyes
00:27:34.640 thinking that I
00:27:35.600 would somehow
00:27:36.080 be sympathetic
00:27:36.780 to their story
00:27:37.580 and run
00:27:37.940 with it
00:27:38.320 that just
00:27:38.960 tells you
00:27:39.280 how dumb
00:27:39.700 they are
00:27:40.080 well there
00:27:40.440 I mean
00:27:40.700 turkeys are
00:27:41.280 known as
00:27:41.820 dumb
00:27:42.180 animals
00:27:42.640 and it sounds
00:27:43.100 like turkey
00:27:43.820 protesters are
00:27:44.700 dumb too
00:27:45.020 now so I
00:27:47.200 didn't know you
00:27:47.640 were on the
00:27:47.940 media release
00:27:48.520 list obviously
00:27:49.120 global news
00:27:49.800 was also
00:27:50.540 because I was
00:27:51.740 going to say
00:27:52.040 I have a bit
00:27:52.540 of an ethical
00:27:53.440 question about
00:27:54.080 global news
00:27:54.700 participating in
00:27:56.260 this entering
00:27:57.420 into the
00:27:57.860 property and
00:27:58.700 being one of
00:27:59.600 the demands
00:28:00.340 of these
00:28:00.960 eco-terrorists
00:28:01.840 that they
00:28:02.420 film inside
00:28:03.400 there again
00:28:04.420 the fact that
00:28:05.160 the Cheddar
00:28:05.580 family allowed
00:28:07.580 these creeps
00:28:08.400 to go in
00:28:09.000 and surely
00:28:10.020 allowed global
00:28:10.780 news in
00:28:11.280 doesn't make
00:28:12.980 it doesn't
00:28:14.280 make it okay
00:28:14.780 I'm not sure
00:28:15.640 what the ethical
00:28:16.560 thing to do
00:28:17.360 would be
00:28:18.280 if you had
00:28:18.940 been there
00:28:19.320 with a camera
00:28:20.000 you surely
00:28:20.920 would have
00:28:21.240 been welcomed
00:28:21.800 by the colony
00:28:22.520 because you're
00:28:22.880 an ally of
00:28:23.540 theirs
00:28:23.740 I wonder
00:28:24.800 if these
00:28:26.400 farm families
00:28:27.420 felt extorted
00:28:29.020 or threatened
00:28:29.940 to let the
00:28:31.200 cameras on
00:28:31.820 there I have
00:28:32.160 to say this
00:28:32.640 article in
00:28:33.460 global news
00:28:34.080 is fairly
00:28:35.760 balanced
00:28:36.440 it's not
00:28:37.020 anti-hutterite
00:28:38.220 propaganda
00:28:38.800 or anti-turkey
00:28:39.540 propaganda
00:28:40.060 but it
00:28:40.840 doesn't ask
00:28:41.500 the real
00:28:41.860 accountability
00:28:42.320 questions
00:28:43.080 who are
00:28:44.060 these people
00:28:44.520 don't tell
00:28:45.400 me that
00:28:46.300 you can
00:28:46.620 organize
00:28:47.300 30 people
00:28:48.360 to go
00:28:48.840 into the
00:28:49.420 farm
00:28:49.760 and 30
00:28:50.760 more on
00:28:51.220 the street
00:28:51.500 don't tell
00:28:52.060 me you
00:28:52.320 can organize
00:28:53.100 60 people
00:28:54.700 from across
00:28:56.260 western
00:28:56.820 Canada
00:28:57.340 the transportation
00:28:58.680 the accommodation
00:28:59.720 the meals
00:29:00.580 the communications
00:29:01.900 the plan
00:29:02.840 don't tell
00:29:03.800 me you
00:29:04.100 move 60
00:29:04.980 people
00:29:05.400 to a small
00:29:06.400 place
00:29:06.720 called
00:29:06.940 Fort
00:29:07.240 McLeod
00:29:07.760 without
00:29:08.600 an
00:29:09.220 organizing
00:29:09.780 hand
00:29:10.440 and
00:29:10.760 financial
00:29:11.300 interest
00:29:11.660 behind
00:29:11.920 it
00:29:12.020 don't tell
00:29:12.360 me that
00:29:12.680 because I'm
00:29:13.220 not as stupid
00:29:13.700 as a turkey
00:29:14.180 well and you know
00:29:16.440 frankly I'm surprised
00:29:17.540 these guys didn't get
00:29:18.460 lunch out of the
00:29:19.140 hutterites
00:29:19.460 if you've ever had
00:29:20.100 some dealings
00:29:20.620 with the
00:29:20.900 hutterites
00:29:21.320 they'll feed you
00:29:22.860 before they send
00:29:23.540 you on your
00:29:23.980 way but
00:29:24.880 nobody did
00:29:26.520 ask these people
00:29:27.440 why are you all
00:29:28.620 wearing matching
00:29:29.580 t-shirts
00:29:30.160 where did all
00:29:31.380 those t-shirts
00:29:32.120 come from
00:29:32.860 why are you
00:29:33.800 wearing
00:29:34.220 or why are you
00:29:35.660 using
00:29:36.300 professionally made
00:29:37.620 signs in your
00:29:38.920 sort of
00:29:39.760 grassroots
00:29:40.360 protest
00:29:41.000 who rented
00:29:42.060 the bus
00:29:42.980 the yellow
00:29:43.680 school bus
00:29:44.360 they took
00:29:45.220 to get there
00:29:45.740 nobody asked
00:29:46.700 them these
00:29:47.520 questions
00:29:48.100 whatsoever
00:29:49.140 they just
00:29:49.960 you know
00:29:51.700 you're very right
00:29:53.020 when you say
00:29:53.480 that global news
00:29:54.320 just played
00:29:55.340 along
00:29:55.740 they were part
00:29:56.560 of the extortion
00:29:57.600 demands
00:29:58.340 of these
00:29:59.140 activists
00:30:00.100 and giving
00:30:01.600 in
00:30:01.900 I mean
00:30:02.460 it's like
00:30:02.740 negotiating
00:30:03.280 with terrorists
00:30:03.920 right
00:30:04.240 again
00:30:04.900 because of
00:30:05.800 RCMP
00:30:06.260 in action
00:30:07.020 and the
00:30:07.860 media's
00:30:08.560 lack
00:30:09.320 of
00:30:10.220 criticism
00:30:11.460 of any
00:30:12.500 of this
00:30:13.100 just puts
00:30:14.240 a target
00:30:14.640 on our
00:30:15.480 hutterite
00:30:15.880 friends
00:30:16.180 backs
00:30:16.560 the next
00:30:17.120 time
00:30:17.340 these people
00:30:17.820 roll into
00:30:18.340 town
00:30:18.620 with their
00:30:19.040 professional
00:30:19.740 t-shirts
00:30:20.320 professional
00:30:20.980 signs
00:30:22.100 and their
00:30:22.960 bus
00:30:23.200 transportation
00:30:23.880 yeah
00:30:24.440 you know
00:30:25.040 I don't
00:30:25.240 think of
00:30:25.520 myself
00:30:25.820 as a
00:30:26.220 particularly
00:30:26.620 religious
00:30:27.140 person
00:30:27.580 I just
00:30:28.080 don't
00:30:28.220 think I
00:30:28.500 am
00:30:28.780 but
00:30:29.780 it's
00:30:30.420 times like
00:30:31.020 this
00:30:31.340 where the
00:30:31.700 difference
00:30:32.020 between
00:30:32.460 you
00:30:32.680 New
00:30:33.020 Testament
00:30:33.580 turn
00:30:34.540 the
00:30:34.700 other
00:30:34.880 cheek
00:30:35.160 people
00:30:36.480 and me
00:30:37.320 in the
00:30:37.560 Old
00:30:37.780 Testament
00:30:38.280 fire
00:30:41.220 and brimstone
00:30:42.160 people
00:30:42.700 the God
00:30:43.680 of wrath
00:30:44.360 I feel
00:30:46.100 the difference
00:30:46.780 because I
00:30:48.060 have to say
00:30:48.860 I am full
00:30:50.020 of an anger
00:30:50.580 on behalf
00:30:51.300 of these
00:30:51.980 hutterites
00:30:53.220 even if they
00:30:53.920 don't feel
00:30:54.460 it for
00:30:54.780 themselves
00:30:55.380 and
00:30:56.880 I know
00:30:59.020 a little
00:30:59.240 bit about
00:30:59.560 the law
00:31:00.020 Sheila
00:31:00.300 I know
00:31:00.700 that
00:31:00.920 you have
00:31:01.880 the law
00:31:02.340 as an
00:31:02.660 you can
00:31:03.300 go to
00:31:03.700 court
00:31:03.980 as an
00:31:04.340 individual
00:31:04.760 and say
00:31:05.460 judge
00:31:06.440 I've been
00:31:06.980 personally
00:31:07.640 wronged
00:31:08.340 by these
00:31:08.840 people
00:31:09.220 and I
00:31:10.060 seek
00:31:10.360 justice
00:31:10.960 in a
00:31:11.400 civil
00:31:11.620 court
00:31:11.960 they've
00:31:13.000 committed
00:31:13.220 a tort
00:31:13.840 against me
00:31:14.520 is the
00:31:14.900 word we
00:31:15.280 use
00:31:15.660 obviously
00:31:17.040 the
00:31:17.300 hutterites
00:31:17.700 would never
00:31:18.180 pursue
00:31:18.740 that
00:31:19.140 and that's
00:31:21.500 part of the
00:31:21.900 problem here
00:31:22.440 is the
00:31:22.700 hutterites
00:31:23.120 weren't
00:31:23.400 enforcing
00:31:23.980 their
00:31:24.220 rights
00:31:24.620 because
00:31:25.260 they had
00:31:25.880 this
00:31:26.180 Christian
00:31:26.700 deference
00:31:28.200 even in
00:31:29.140 the face
00:31:29.640 of these
00:31:30.000 I'm going
00:31:31.620 to use
00:31:31.820 the word
00:31:32.060 evil
00:31:32.300 I'm not
00:31:32.540 going to
00:31:32.720 say it's
00:31:32.960 a deep
00:31:33.280 satanic
00:31:33.800 evil
00:31:34.060 but it's
00:31:34.420 an abusive
00:31:35.100 evil
00:31:37.600 but the
00:31:39.900 queen has
00:31:40.520 an interest
00:31:40.980 in the
00:31:41.280 law too
00:31:41.780 and that's
00:31:42.900 why when
00:31:43.260 you see
00:31:43.600 a criminal
00:31:44.040 case
00:31:44.560 the victim
00:31:45.920 doesn't
00:31:46.480 have to
00:31:46.920 file the
00:31:47.480 lawsuit
00:31:47.880 against the
00:31:48.620 criminal
00:31:48.940 because the
00:31:49.920 criminal has
00:31:50.460 committed an
00:31:51.440 offense
00:31:51.900 not just
00:31:53.100 against his
00:31:53.720 victim
00:31:54.100 but against
00:31:55.560 the order
00:31:56.100 of the
00:31:56.380 land
00:31:56.620 against the
00:31:57.240 queen
00:31:57.460 that's why
00:31:58.000 when you
00:31:58.680 see a
00:31:59.200 prosecution
00:32:00.040 it's the
00:32:00.780 queen versus
00:32:01.500 so and so
00:32:02.140 are
00:32:02.720 that's the
00:32:04.180 that's the
00:32:04.980 initial of
00:32:05.560 regina
00:32:06.080 which means
00:32:07.100 queen in
00:32:07.780 latin
00:32:08.200 are versus
00:32:09.560 smith
00:32:10.640 because even
00:32:12.220 if the
00:32:13.160 person smith
00:32:14.080 punched
00:32:14.640 is too
00:32:16.160 Christian
00:32:16.660 to sue
00:32:17.600 the queen
00:32:18.840 will sue
00:32:19.520 with her
00:32:20.780 attorney general
00:32:21.580 because she
00:32:22.920 can't stand
00:32:23.860 the lawlessness
00:32:24.700 and that's a
00:32:25.920 very lengthy
00:32:26.680 way of saying
00:32:27.460 the Christian
00:32:29.380 turn the
00:32:29.920 other cheek
00:32:30.500 and the
00:32:31.640 cop turn the
00:32:32.380 other cheek
00:32:32.980 but the
00:32:34.220 queen
00:32:34.580 must prosecute
00:32:36.420 this was a
00:32:38.000 crime
00:32:38.460 this was a
00:32:39.620 crime of
00:32:40.220 trespass
00:32:40.980 of extortion
00:32:42.000 I put it to
00:32:43.400 you as a
00:32:43.840 crime of
00:32:44.280 theft
00:32:44.560 it was a
00:32:44.960 crime of
00:32:45.340 mischief
00:32:45.720 there were
00:32:46.320 many crimes
00:32:46.960 here and I
00:32:47.400 am not
00:32:47.720 satisfied with
00:32:48.540 this Sheila
00:32:49.000 no I
00:32:51.240 think it's
00:32:51.880 it's terrible
00:32:52.880 what happened
00:32:53.860 to these
00:32:54.320 Hutterites and
00:32:55.040 everything that
00:32:55.940 happened since
00:32:57.220 the moment
00:32:57.880 those activists
00:32:58.740 set their foot
00:32:59.940 on the
00:33:00.280 Hutterite farms
00:33:01.060 has been
00:33:01.860 terrible
00:33:02.380 I mean the
00:33:03.120 inaction by
00:33:03.820 the police
00:33:04.380 the
00:33:05.120 complicity
00:33:06.640 of the
00:33:07.720 media
00:33:08.140 and then
00:33:09.380 this
00:33:11.400 the Hutterites
00:33:13.100 like you say
00:33:14.500 they're
00:33:14.840 they're
00:33:15.340 Christian
00:33:15.820 pacifists
00:33:17.040 but that
00:33:17.560 doesn't make
00:33:18.040 them any
00:33:18.440 less a
00:33:18.880 victim of
00:33:19.900 this crime
00:33:20.500 and it is
00:33:20.940 the government
00:33:21.500 the crown's
00:33:23.240 obligation to
00:33:24.420 do something to
00:33:25.120 make sure that
00:33:25.660 this doesn't
00:33:26.120 happen to
00:33:26.620 them again
00:33:27.140 because these
00:33:28.280 people will
00:33:29.300 be back
00:33:29.920 yeah I'm
00:33:31.520 very mad about
00:33:32.240 this you and
00:33:33.060 I should talk
00:33:33.640 offline about
00:33:35.100 things we can
00:33:35.720 possibly do
00:33:36.660 journalistically and
00:33:38.020 otherwise because
00:33:39.460 I fear that if
00:33:40.780 we rely on
00:33:42.640 the good nature
00:33:44.460 of the victim
00:33:45.780 and the
00:33:47.120 work avoidance
00:33:49.380 path of least
00:33:50.100 resistance of
00:33:51.000 Sergeant Brian
00:33:51.840 Mucha that
00:33:53.380 there will be no
00:33:53.960 justice here and
00:33:54.780 rather as you
00:33:55.540 prophesy there
00:33:57.160 will be more of
00:33:57.920 this because now
00:33:58.620 the precedent is
00:33:59.400 set I have
00:34:02.380 some ideas that
00:34:03.080 maybe I'll share
00:34:03.580 with you offline
00:34:04.240 but I am I do
00:34:05.460 not feel that we
00:34:06.260 should be done
00:34:06.740 with this even
00:34:07.340 if Mr.
00:34:07.860 Cheddar is
00:34:08.400 I don't think
00:34:10.200 so either
00:34:10.760 the like you
00:34:14.440 said the
00:34:14.780 Hutterites are
00:34:15.240 pacifists they're
00:34:15.840 not going to do
00:34:16.300 anything about
00:34:17.000 this or maybe
00:34:18.040 they will maybe
00:34:18.740 they won't but
00:34:20.380 this is about at
00:34:22.280 the end of the
00:34:22.840 day the Hutterites
00:34:23.720 are a family farm
00:34:24.900 just like mine and
00:34:26.660 so the same laws
00:34:27.820 that protect my
00:34:28.660 family farm that
00:34:30.080 are enforced to
00:34:31.320 protect my family
00:34:32.260 farm should be
00:34:33.160 enforced to
00:34:33.640 protect theirs
00:34:34.240 I could only
00:34:34.840 imagine it's one
00:34:35.500 thing I mean
00:34:35.960 obviously Mr.
00:34:37.220 Cheddar here is a
00:34:38.520 grown-up and he
00:34:39.260 can communicate
00:34:40.560 well enough and
00:34:42.140 he can deal with
00:34:42.840 the secular world
00:34:43.940 but he talked
00:34:45.120 about his boys
00:34:45.860 and I wonder
00:34:46.500 what the children
00:34:47.240 thought I wonder
00:34:48.520 what the children
00:34:49.020 I'll tell you one
00:34:49.600 thing you bring
00:34:50.800 30 people onto
00:34:52.260 my backyard when
00:34:53.360 my children are
00:34:54.100 there that's not
00:34:55.140 something I'm going
00:34:55.700 to turn the other
00:34:56.220 cheek on too
00:34:56.860 quickly all right
00:34:58.140 I'm in a quiet
00:35:00.780 rage right now
00:35:01.860 Sheila let's you
00:35:03.200 and me talk some
00:35:03.800 more about this
00:35:04.460 and maybe there'll
00:35:05.460 be another chapter
00:35:06.200 here where we get
00:35:06.780 closer to justice
00:35:07.640 you bet
00:35:09.120 all right thanks
00:35:09.800 for coming on
00:35:10.240 the show
00:35:10.620 you got it Ezra
00:35:12.220 all right there's
00:35:12.880 my friend and
00:35:13.780 our chief reporter
00:35:14.540 Alberta Bureau
00:35:15.740 Chief Sheila Gunn-Reed
00:35:17.800 a farmer in her
00:35:18.720 own right a friend
00:35:19.660 of Hatterites you
00:35:20.280 heard it and of
00:35:21.360 course a friend of
00:35:22.500 justice stay with
00:35:25.340 us more ahead on
00:35:26.000 the rebel
00:35:26.300 hey what do you think
00:35:39.100 of that turkey story
00:35:39.900 I'm so mad about
00:35:41.080 that I think I'm
00:35:42.320 mad especially
00:35:42.880 because they won't
00:35:43.600 fight back for
00:35:44.240 themselves if they
00:35:45.080 were regular folks
00:35:45.860 fighting back yeah
00:35:47.480 okay they're big
00:35:48.800 boys they're grown
00:35:49.340 ups they were I
00:35:50.160 agree with Sheila
00:35:50.640 completely they were
00:35:51.360 targeted precisely
00:35:52.640 because they're too
00:35:53.680 nice and I listen I
00:35:55.520 wish the whole world
00:35:56.320 was nice like that
00:35:57.380 but the problem
00:35:58.160 when you got a
00:35:58.720 group of people
00:35:59.380 that are nice like
00:36:00.160 that and you have
00:36:01.220 organized professional
00:36:03.160 protesters they target
00:36:04.520 them that's bullying
00:36:05.680 that's bullying and
00:36:06.840 normally bullying is
00:36:07.800 against kids and you
00:36:08.620 protect the kids
00:36:09.280 these Hatterites are
00:36:10.960 childlike in their
00:36:11.920 sense of kindness
00:36:13.340 you see what I mean by
00:36:14.460 that and the cop the
00:36:16.620 cop was of no help
00:36:18.120 I'm mad about that I
00:36:19.240 want to do more I'm
00:36:20.780 going to talk to
00:36:21.220 Sheila about what we
00:36:21.820 can do all right
00:36:22.800 that's the end of the
00:36:23.380 show for today until
00:36:24.400 tomorrow on behalf of
00:36:25.400 all of us here at the
00:36:26.100 rebel to you at home
00:36:27.660 good night and keep
00:36:28.340 fighting for freedom
00:36:29.180 including freedom to
00:36:31.180 keep out those stupid
00:36:32.880 hippies
00:36:33.380 you