Alberta’s new recall legislation is guaranteed never to work — it’s worse than nothing, and I’ll show you why
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California's new recall legislation is guaranteed never to work, and I'll show you why. I compare the recall going on in California with the fake recall legislation being proposed in Alberta, and show that it is scientifically impossible to get a recall under that law. And I compare it to how it is very possible, maybe even probable, to get one in California.
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Hello, my friends. I compare the recall going on in California with the fake recall legislation
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being proposed in Alberta. I take you through the Alberta recall legislation and show
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that it is scientifically impossible to get a recall under that law. And I compare it to how
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it is very possible, maybe even probable, to get a recall in California. I think you might find it
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here's the podcast today. Tonight, Alberta's new recall legislation is guaranteed never to work.
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It's worse than nothing, and I'll show you why. It's March 17th, and this is the Ezra LeVant Show.
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Why should others go to jail when you're a biggest carbon consumer I know?
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There's 8,500 customers here, and you won't give them an answer.
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The only thing I have to say to the government about why I'm publishing it is because it's my
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I like the idea of recalling politicians. That's just a way of saying, forcing them into an election
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without waiting for the next scheduled election. It's happening right now for one of America's
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worst governors, Gavin Newsom of California. He's a disaster in every way. He's an environmental
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extremist. He's an open borders, illegal migration guy. He's super woke. Now, in California, that gets
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a guy elected. It's hard to believe that Ronald Reagan was once the governor there. But Newsom's
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atrocious handling of the pandemic and the lockdown is just too far, even for California liberals.
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I can see it even on Twitter, ordinary people whose lives have been destroyed, people who
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surely voted Democrat in the past, lots of restaurant owners, mums and dads who can't send their kids to
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school anymore, and tons of people leaving California for less disastrous states like Texas.
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So California's population, by the way, it's just a shade under 40 million people. It is huge.
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It's the largest state in the union. It's actually more people than all of Canada.
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And they are currently having a petition to recall Gavin Newsom. They're not waiting until he's done
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his term. They want him out now. He's wrecked enough things. He did what Andrew Cuomo did. That's the New
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York governor who shipped six seniors into long-term care homes, infecting thousands. He did
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things that were really, really infuriating. He locked down restaurants, but he went to dinner
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parties at closed restaurants with his fancy friends. Just incredible. And his excuses were
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just cringeworthy. I don't know if you remember this. A few weeks ago, I was asked to go to a
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friend's 50th birthday. My wife and I, a friend that I've known for almost 20 years, and a friend that
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had, well, put a lot of time and energy into his 50th birthday. It was in Napa, which was in the
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orange status, relatively loose compared to some other counties. It was to be an outdoor
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restaurant. And we started the, well, the program started at four o'clock. It was one of those early
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reservations. I got there a little bit late at 4.30. And as soon as I sat down at the larger table,
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I realized it was a little larger group than I had anticipated. And I made a bad mistake. Instead
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of sitting down, I should have stood up and walked back, got in my car, and drove back to my house.
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Instead, I chose to sit there with my wife and a number of other couples that were outside the
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household. You can quibble about the guidelines, et cetera, et cetera, but the spirit of what I'm
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preaching all the time was contradicted. And I got to own that. And so I want to apologize to you.
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People hate the guy, and I don't just mean Republicans. So what does the California
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Constitution have to say about recall? What are the rules? Well, Article 2 of their Constitution
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specifically permits recalling different kinds of politicians. It's not just some law,
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it's their actual Constitution. Here's what Article 14 of Section 2 of their Constitution says.
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Recall of a state officer is initiated by delivering to the Secretary of State
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a petition alleging reason for recall. Sufficiency of reason is not reviewable.
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Proponents have 160 days to file signed petitions. A petition to recall a statewide officer must be
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signed by electors equal in number to 12% of the last vote for the office, with signatures from each of
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five counties equal in number to 1% of the last vote for the office in the county. Signatures to recall
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senators, members of the Assembly, members of the Board of Equalization, and judges of courts of appeal
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and trial courts must equal in number 20% of the last vote for the office. The Secretary of State
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shall maintain a continuous count of the signatures certified to that office. So that's Section 14 of the
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California Constitution. There's a few things in there. First of all, it's tougher to get a judge
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out, and I think it should be. For a statewide office like the governor, you've got to get enough
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signatures to match 12% of those who voted last time. In this case, it works out to 1.495 million.
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Just, let's call it one and a half million people. And you saw it there. They have 160 days
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to get those signatures. Keep in mind those numbers. 12% of the number of people who voted.
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Not 12% of the number of people who could vote. 12% of the number who actually did. And 160 days, more than
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five months to get the names. Organizers say they've already got more than 2 million signatures,
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and they're still collecting them. They want to make sure that any dodgy signatures that are thrown out
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don't cost them the recall opportunity. It's interesting to watch Democrats who normally hate
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things like voter ID and vote fraud allegations. They want, normally, everyone to vote, even
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illegal aliens. This time they're very, very interested to watch voter ID these days because
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they don't want Gavin Newsom kicked out. Anyways, I want to mention a few points. I think Gavin Newsom will
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face a recall vote. As in, I think they will clearly get the 12% they need. But it's for sure not clear
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that he's going to lose that recall vote. He won the general election with 62% of the vote last time.
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And Democrats are very organized in California. But even just forcing Newsom through this process
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is a humiliation. It takes him down a peg. I don't think he's going to go to that fancy restaurant for
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more birthday parties anymore. But look, it is possible to kick him out. In 2003, another
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Democratic governor in California was, in fact, recalled by voters. And Arnold Schwarzenegger then
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ran and became the next governor. I don't think there's a Schwarzenegger-type character waiting in
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the wings this time, though I do see a Trump cabinet minister, Rick Grinnell, really pushing the recall
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campaign. He's looking through the campaign website for recallgavin2020.com. Looks like you have to
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organize in person, not just vote online. So it is old school. Got to get those signatures.
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Getting 2 million-plus signatures is pretty impressive. But one last comment before I compare
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this all to Alberta's new recall legislation. I'm going to tell you four numbers, and please stay with
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me. This is actually important, okay? The first number, I mentioned the California's population,
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is just under 40 million. So 25 million are eligible voters. So adult citizens, okay? 25 million.
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Of those, 19.6 million registered to vote. So they had to positively say, hey, I'm going to vote.
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And of those, 12.4 million people actually did vote. That's a lot. In the previous election,
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it was barely half that, by the way. Anyways, of those 12.4 million people who voted, 7.7 million
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people voted for Gavin Newsom. So did you get those numbers? Just to emphasize, under the Constitution,
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to get a recall, you need 12% of the number who voted in the last election. So 12% of 12.4 million,
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that's where you get the 1.5 million petition. So it's not 12% of the total number of electors,
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which is 25 million, exactly double. Okay. Now let's compare that to the new Alberta recall bill
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just introduced in that province. Bill 52, the Recall Act. Now look at Section 8. It's called
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verification. I'm going to read it. A recall vote is authorized if the chief electoral officer verifies,
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in accordance with this section, that the recall petition, now get this, has been signed by at least
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40% of the total number of electors. So not 12%, 40%. And not just 40% of the people who actually
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bothered to vote last time, 40% of the total number of electors who could. That's the total voting list,
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total universe of possible electors. So in the California case, if we were to apply the Alberta
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law, that would mean 40% of 25 million or almost exactly 10 million signatures needed. Not 1.5
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million signatures needed. Just a reminder, Gavin Newsom only got 7.7 million votes last time. Imagine
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trying to get 10 million signatures to kick him out last time. To kick him out just for comparison,
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the Republican in 2018 didn't even get half that. One more thing. I showed you that in California,
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they have 160 days to get the signatures. Almost half a year, actually. But look at Section 7 of
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Alberta's law. The chief electoral officer shall not accept a recall petition submitted after the
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expiry of 60 days. So you've got to get 40% of all electors. That's more than triple the California
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standard, because remember, California is just the number of voters. And you have 60 days in Alberta,
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about a third of the time you get in California. In other words, Alberta's recall legislation makes
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it absolutely impossible to do. Let me show you a practical example of this. There's an awful MLA in
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Alberta named Pat Rain, who's possibly the worst politician in the world. Just got elected and then
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decided he was done, went on vacation, left the country. He's not there. He doesn't go to meetings.
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It's just so weird and lazy. I don't get it. Jason Kenney finally just kicked him out of the party.
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He's so bad. He's from a district called Lesser Slave Lake. In the last election, though,
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he got 57% of the vote, or 5,873 votes. So you'd think he could get 40% of the voters who were against
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him, right? If he got 57%. So 43% of people voted against him, you could think, okay, I'll just get
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those 43% by adding up the liberals and the NDP, let alone disappointed conservatives. Oh,
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there's your signatures. But no, no, no. Remember, you have to get the total number of voters. So there
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are 16,154 electors in this district. You have to get 40% of that number, which is over 6,400 people
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to sign a petition in 60 days. Is that really going to happen? That in 60 days, you're going to get more
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signatures than he got in his general election? It's not going to happen. And even if you think
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there's a chance, the Alberta bill makes certain it won't happen. Get this. Even to collect signatures
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on a petition, the signature collectors have to meet strict standards. Here's section 5.1.
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You have to have lived in the district for three months. You have to be a voter yourself. So you have
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to be an adult, no teenagers helping, which is frankly a staple on a lot of campaigns. And you
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can't pay anyone or compensate them in any way. So just true volunteers who live in the riding
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for three months, no teenagers. Hey guys, I'm starting to think that maybe the Alberta government
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doesn't actually want anyone to be recalled. But in case you're still thinking, no, no, no,
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this could work. It's not impossible. There's still a chance. Well, let me show you
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the absolute poison pill clause here. Section 2.5c. It bans any recall petition that, quote,
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if during the term of office to which the application relates, a recall petition has
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already been published by the chief electoral officer in respect of the member named in the
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notice of recall petition. Let me explain in plain English. If anyone has already tried to recall that
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politician and didn't reach those staggering goals, that's it. No one else gets to take another
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shot at them. No one else. So if I were that loser, Pat Rain, I'd have a friend or a neighbor
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start a recall petition against me and then have them go on vacation, do absolutely nothing for two
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months, have it fail, and then I'd be home free because no more recall petitions would ever be allowed
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against me. What do you think? I think recalls are good. In California, they're happening about once
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every 20 years. I think that's pretty okay. Frankly, I'd like to see it a bit more often.
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All the rest of us live in some fear that we'll lose our jobs somehow. Why shouldn't politicians?
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And if they're really that great, they'll win the recall vote, won't they? I think there will be
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a recall vote on Gavin Newsom. I think they'll reach that threshold. But I think he might win
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the election that's called because of it. That's not a terrible outcome either, by the way,
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chasing him a bit. Maybe he'll stop sneaking into chic restaurants while banning everyone else. It'll
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be good. But this Alberta legislation, it's not recall legislation. It's anti-recall legislation. It
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guarantees there will never be an MLA recalled ever. In fact, you'd have to be stupid to try,
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unless you're Pat Rain, in which case you would try, but just not try very hard to recall yourself
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as a guarantee that no one else ever could recall you. This is not recall legislation in Alberta.
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This is fake recall legislation designed to dupe conservatives who actually want more democracy.
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I guess they really do think we're all that stupid. Stay with us for more.
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Well, it marks one month since the government of Alberta arrested and imprisoned Pastor James
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Coates. For what crime was he arrested? Well, no crime, actually. Yet he has been in the maximum
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security facility of the Edmonton Remand Center for a full month, which I should tell you is a punishment
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that even violent criminals seldom face. Before the pandemic, 400 violent criminals from that maximum
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security facility were released, lest they catch the bug. But Pastor Coates was put in there. And I had
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the opportunity to meet Pastor Coates' wife 10 days ago, and she tells me she has not had a single
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visit with him in his month in prison. And she's not even allowed to make Zoom calls with him. She has
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to go to a government facility when they can arrange it to chat with him briefly by voice calls. I have
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never heard of a prisoner treated this way, even when I visited Tommy Robinson in the most secure prison in
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the United Kingdom. HMP Belmarsh, similar to Guantanamo Bay. He was allowed two visits from his wife a week,
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even though he was in the special handling unit at that terrorism facility. Pastor James Coates has done
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a month of very hard time. And for what? For not closing his church. Well, the good news is today,
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after one month in prison, the government of Alberta has decided to drop all but one charges against him.
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That one charge is a health infraction, like a traffic ticket, really. And Pastor Coates should be
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out in a matter of days. Joining us now via Skype from Calgary is the head of the Justice Center for
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Constitutional Freedoms, John Carpe, the public interest law firm that has been defending Pastor
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Coates. John, great to see you. Congratulations on this change. I know it's a day of happiness
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for Pastor Coates and his family and his congregation. But for me, it's a day of fury
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that he has been in there for a month and that the various charges against him were dropped so casually
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by the satanic prosecutor. I say that because putting a pastor in prison while releasing violent
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criminals, that's right out of the Bible. Who would you want to free, Barabbas or Jesus?
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That's right down to what that is. And for a month, that prosecutor thought, oh, let's keep him in.
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So I'm not particularly impressed that after a month, she says, okay, maybe I got it wrong. But you
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tell us the facts. Well, I'm really grateful to have a superb legal team. It was Leighton Gray and
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James Kitchen and Jay Cameron, who did outstanding work. We were in negotiations with the Crown for
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several days back and forth. And of course, you know, the government is loath to do 180 degree turn and,
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you know, suddenly drop everything. On our end, of course, we were not going to agree to,
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you know, the bail condition that was keeping Pastor Coates in jail, which is that he would agree to
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have his charter rights and freedoms violated by unscientific and unconstitutional health orders.
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He was not willing to agree to that. And so he was in jail. Now, this time being released,
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there is not this condition that he agreed to have his charter rights and freedoms violated by
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unconstitutional health orders. So therefore, his release is going to be possible by as early as
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Friday, March the 19th. Now, I want to ask you, why does it even take two extra days if the prosecution
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says, all right, fine, forget about the last month, let's just pretend we haven't had a pastor in prison
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for a month? If they've come to that agreement with you, does it need to be sanctioned by a judge?
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Is that the delay? Your agreement with the prosecutor has to be stamped by some court?
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That's correct. There's going to be a joint Crown and defense submission to accept a guilty plea to
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failure to abide by an undertaking, which by the way, it was an undertaking that was imposed on
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Pastor Coates. He never agreed to it at any time. But apparently police can impose undertakings on
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people and then charge you for violating them. So there will be a joint Crown defense submission
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that Pastor Coates pay a $100 fine in respect of that criminal charge of not complying with an
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undertaking. But the good news is this is going to trial May 3rd because there's one of the charges
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of breaching the Public Health Act is going to trial May 3rd to May 5th. And the onus will be on the
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government to prove that the violations of our charter freedoms are justified. And the government's not
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going to be able to operate just by news conferences and fear mongering. Government's going to actually have
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to produce evidence in court to show demonstrably that these lockdowns were necessary, that they're
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beneficial, that they're working, that they're effective. And most significantly, the government
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is going to have to prove that the lockdowns are doing more good than harm. And I think the government's
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going to have a tough case to prove in court. John, you sound optimistic. You sound hopeful. You're
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looking forward to that event. I understand all that. I'm still not over the last month. And I want to ask you
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this. Is it the same prosecutor, Karen Thorsrud, who made the deal with you, that put the pastor
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in prison to begin with a month ago? And by the way, this was the pastor, you and I spoke about this
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the other day, that was obviously so embarrassed by what she was doing, she asked the judge to not put
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her name on the prosecution. She was so ashamed of her own misconduct. Is it that same disgraceful
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prosecutor, Karen Thorsrud? No, I believe that the Justice Center lawyers were, I read the letters
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back and forth, and it was a different individual that we were dealing with. It was not Karen Thorsrud.
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But I do find it rather despicable that she would ask to have her name removed, especially when it was
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previously publicized. Her name was not removed when she was before the justice of the peace arguing to
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to keep Pastor Coates in jail. So, but it wasn't her. Well, I suppose I'm glad to hear it. I mean,
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the idea of a secret prosecutor who hides from the world while throwing pastors in jail is just too gross.
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I mean, even the Star Chamber in medieval London had lawyers mandatory, not lawyers secret. So, so gross.
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I think that Pastor Coates, by pretty much any definition, would be a political prisoner. I say
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again, what he's charged with, you mentioned a hundred dollar ticket. I've had parking tickets of
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almost a hundred dollars. I don't know if there are even any speeding tickets under a hundred dollars.
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Those are, I'm not going to call them trivial matters, but they're non-criminal matters. And the idea that you
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would be in jail for a parking ticket is unthinkable in Canada, yet it happened for a month. I have a theory,
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and I know it's only speculation, but I have seen the last two public opinion polls in Alberta, both of which put
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the United Conservative Party in second place. In fact, the latest by Leger pollsters has the NDP at 51%
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and the United Conservative Party at 30%. I'm not sure if that poll is reliable, but Leger is,
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you know, they've been around a while. I think that there is an anger in the province at these
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lockdown extremists and the way they're being so punitive against pastors, against restaurant
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owners. I know the case of Pastor Coates has been reported literally around the world. Do you think
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that there was a political decision to change course? I mean, how can you hold the line against
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a pastor for a month and then suddenly say, oh, okay, pay a hundred bucks and you're out?
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You know, I know that the Justice Centre lawyers were in negotiations with the Crown, and it was
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somebody other than Karen Thorsrud. You know, it's just pure speculation as to, you know, how independently
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or not was the Crown Prosecutor's Office operating. And frankly, for, you know, for purposes of the rule of law,
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and, you know, to not have repeats of the SNC-Lavalin situation, there is something to be said for
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elected politicians not being involved in decisions to prosecute or not prosecute or what kinds of
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agreements are entered into. Now, that said, I think at the end of the day that, you know, unless you or I
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have got, you know, special access to conversations that we were not privy to, I mean, we'll probably never
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know to, you know, whether there is any influence there or not. But certainly on the face of it,
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we were just dealing with the Crown and you kind of have to, you know, take it for granted that the
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Crown is acting independently as it should be. Yeah. You know what? I suppose you could say,
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well, the law is the law, but a law that's promulgated by unelected, unaccountable public health
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officers who are not judges, who are not even police, and who have tyrannical powers to throw
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some in prison, that is inherently political. And the idea of a prosecutor saying, in my professional
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discretion, under the aegis of the Justice Department, I say put that man in prison for two
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months till his trial, that's inherently political, especially when down the road, Costco, Walmart,
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have thousands of people filing through every day. I don't know, I just find the whole thing
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political. And although of all the 10 premiers, Jason Kenney, I think is the closest to being a
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conservative and the closest to being a Christian. The treatment of Pastor James Coates was unique in
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Canada, and I dare say unique in the free world. I am unaware of any Christian pastor or priest,
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anywhere in the Western world, who has been imprisoned for opening his church. I simply
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have not, and I follow the news fairly closely, I bet you do too, John.
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It's a unique disgrace. And you mentioned, you know, you mentioned the political aspect of it. I
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can't help but ask, why were the restaurant owners in Alberta, not a huge number, at least one,
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the owner of Whistle Stop in Mirror, Alberta, but apparently two or three others. There were
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restaurant owners who said, we are staying open. We're defying these unconstitutional health orders.
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Issue as many tickets as you want, but we're going to stay open. And those people did not end up in
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jail. And yet Pastor Coates did end up in jail. And Jason Kenney delights in telling Albertans that
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the restrictions here are less onerous than in other provinces. And as far as I know, that's probably
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true. But that's no excuse for having unconstitutional health orders that hugely violate
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our human dignity and our human rights and our basic freedoms, like being able to associate
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with whomever you want, when you want, where you want, how you want, in person, not having the
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chief medical officer tell you that you can only enjoy relationships by way of a two-dimensional
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computer screen. These are severe restrictions on our charter rights and freedoms, even in Alberta.
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And there's no way that Pastor Coates should ever have been put into jail. The condition that was imposed
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upon him that he actually make an express commitment to abide by unconstitutional health orders that
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violate his charter freedoms, that's unusual because usually the condition for a bail release is
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be of good behaviour and keep the peace. It's a very boilerplate clause that you agree to be of good
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behaviour and keep the peace and that's it. And yet the government here sought to impose this
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condition on Pastor Coates that he agree ahead of time to abide by unscientific and unconstitutional
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health orders. John, I went to the Grace Life Church about 10 days ago. I was in Edmonton and I
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went to the church on that Sunday morning. I was wonderful. I'm not even Christian, as you know,
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I'm Jewish, but just to be with hundreds of normal people living normally, not living in fear,
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not being gripped by fear. And like you say, they're not looking at a screen. I mean,
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basically every man, woman and child has been instructed to live either watching Netflix,
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buying something on Amazon or in a Zoom call. And for just a couple hours to be with real humans
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in person and talking about something other than the latest Netflix series was the most refreshing
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day I've had in a year. And I joked that if I lived in Edmonton, I'd go to that church every week,
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even though I'm not even Christian. I would just go there for the normalcy. And I found that the
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members of the church that I spoke with were very politically aware and awake and very conscious of
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what was happening, as you would expect. And like I say, the church was full when I was there. So Pastor
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Coates was in prison, but that church was given her. What do you think is going to happen? Because
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I can't imagine that a man who endures prison for a month won't immediately go back to his church
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the Sunday he's free and that his church will be more packed than ever. What's going to happen now?
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I don't envy the RCMP detachment in Stony Plain. You know, that's another unknowable,
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but very interesting question is, you know, who are they taking orders from, if any, and how are
00:30:26.880
they going to exercise their discretion? Because as your reporter, Sheila Gunn-Reed attended there,
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I haven't been up to Edmonton in over a year. But, you know, you and other media are reporting that
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they've had a full church every Sunday since Pastor Coates was imprisoned on February the 16th.
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And I would be surprised if he's out of jail on Friday, why would he not attend church on Sunday?
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So it'll be really interesting to see what happens in the next six weeks or so, six or seven weeks until
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the trial, May 3rd. It'll be interesting to see each Sunday what the health authorities are going
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to do with that situation. You know, John, you're a Christian, I'm a Jew, and I know there's some
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differences between the Old Testament and the New. Old Testament, a bit of fire and brimstone,
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New Testament, a bit of turn the other cheek. And I understand why you're so sanguine and excited,
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and you had a victory, he's out of prison without selling out his soul, and you deserve the kudos,
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and you deserve to take a victory lap, and you deserve to have a smile on your face.
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I am still not over the grievous injustice of the last 30 days, and I am full of an Old Testament
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style anger on that. And I don't know what can be done about that, because that is a justice deficit.
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That is a justice debt. I think I told my viewers once, maybe I even told you, the very first time I
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was in criminal court as a young articling student for a law firm in Edmonton, by the way, I went in
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and I heard all manner of criminal matters, and I heard a judge sentence a man to 30 days for sexual
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assault. 30 days. And for sexual assault. And here we have a pastor who's just done 30 days
00:32:23.120
for opening a church. And this, this is a warp in the, in the fiber of the universe. And I don't know
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how it can, I think justice must be done in some way. And I don't know what that is. How, what can be
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done for the last month that we've had? I mean, fight the future. Go fight on May 3rd to 5th in
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court. You're doing that. Go to the church this Sunday. Yes. But, but surely the last month,
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something must be done about it. Is there anything that can be done?
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It's a good question. It's a fair question. And, and by the way, I, I agree with you that,
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you know, yes, I am smiling because it's, it's great that he's going to be out in, in the next,
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you know, two or three days, as opposed to having to stay in jail all the way through to,
00:33:10.000
to May 3rd. So I am smiling, but I, I also, I, I share your anger. This is a travesty of justice.
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This is a grave injustice to, to have a pastor put into prison simply for exercising his charter
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rights and freedoms, you know, and then in a province that's governed by a man who has for decades,
00:33:29.360
held himself out to be the champion of religious freedom. You may have come across my, my post
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millennial column a few weeks ago, quoting Jason Kenney from his speech to the St. Thomas Moore
00:33:43.360
Lawyers Guild, a group of Catholic lawyers speaking at a Toronto dinner in 2014 about conscience and how
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conscience has to stand up to the prevailing spirit of the age. And now we've got the prevailing spirit of
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the age says that we should all be living in a permanent state of fear of some virus that is
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harmless to 90% of the population. And we've got, you know, Jason Kenney enforcing the spirit of the
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age. So there has been a travesty of justice, you know, in, in terms of civil remedies, wrongful
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imprisonment. I mean, you know, you and I know those are potential legal remedies. I don't think that
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they're on anybody's mind just yet. Uh, but, uh, you know, who knows what, what Pastor Coates may want in,
00:34:28.640
in the future. Yeah. I mean, it's, it's, it's hard to get a wrongful imprisonment case if the judge
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oversaw it. I mean, we, when a judge gets it wrong, you appeal it, you don't, you know, sue the judge, you,
00:34:40.880
you appeal the ruling. Um, but I think that the misconduct of the, the police and the health officers is
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something to investigate. And I know they're harassing churches around Alberta and across
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Canada. And it's my observation and, and you're defending a lot of churches and I salute you and
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we like to, we like to give you journalistic support and we tell our viewers, go to jccf.ca
00:35:04.800
and chip in to, cause you guys survive on donations too. We're, we're representing a few churches in
00:35:11.200
Canada and elsewhere. One of our lawyers noted how these, and, and by the way, Jewish synagogues in
00:35:18.800
the Orthodox parts of Montreal, um, it's the churches and the Orthodox synagogues that are being
00:35:26.080
really poked at by the, like there's a disparity that they're going after churches more than they,
00:35:32.000
they would never go after the church of material consumption, Walmart, Costco. They wouldn't go after
00:35:38.240
those capitalist churches, but they go after religious churches. I just think there's something
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very wrong. John, I won't, I won't belabor the subject. Uh, this is a day to be happy. Sheila told
00:35:50.400
me she had a little cry, uh, when she heard the news, uh, it was such an emotional relief. And I think
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that's wonderful. And, um, you know, keep up the fight and get them out of jail and keep others out of
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jail and we'll do our bit where we can. But I think there's unfinished business here. And I think we
00:36:10.000
have to weed the garden of these illiberal, un-Canadian lockdown arrests and persecutions. I,
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I know I'm rambling, John. I'm just mad. I know you're happy and I, you have a fury underneath it,
00:36:23.200
but I'm all fury. Last word to you, my friend. Well, um, lessons to be learned. You talked a few
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minutes ago about, you know, the future, because I think that, uh, Pastor Coates is an example
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of, uh, courage and principle. And he, he reminds us of the fact that you can only win battles by
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fighting them. And if we all cheerfully, unthinkingly, meekly comply with all of these
00:36:49.760
measures and, uh, slowly turn ourselves into the government sheep and cattle to be managed like farm
00:36:56.480
animals rather than being free and responsible adults living in a free society and making our
00:37:01.600
own decisions. If we just continue with this, uh, blind and sinister obedience, we're going to lose
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our rights and freedoms more and more. And, uh, it's just going to get worse and worse. So Pastor
00:37:14.240
Coates, uh, you know, silver lining on the cloud, he, because of his suffering and the unjust imprisonment
00:37:20.400
for losing a full month of his life, uh, that should serve as an inspiration to, to you and to me and
00:37:28.080
to, to everybody to, uh, to be that courageous and to take a stance and to continue to exercise
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your charter rights and freedoms in the face of intimidation and, and stand up to government.
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And you'll be surprised what happens. Uh, if, if, if all of us stand up, uh, the government's going to
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start losing a lot more battles. That's a very new Testament thought to end on that the pastor
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suffered for, uh, the sins of the lockdown. Um, I'll stop being sad and mad and I'll enjoy the day
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and congratulations again to you. And we'll definitely continue to cover the story. Uh,
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John Carbay, congratulations. And, and please pass on our viewers, best regards to your team.
00:38:15.280
We've talked to some of your other lawyers over the months and they've done a great job. So, uh,
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kudos to you. I'm so glad you're out there fighting.
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Right on. There you have it, John Carbay. He's the boss of the Justice Center for Constitutional
00:38:28.480
Freedoms, jccf.ca. If you got a few bucks kicking around, don't be shy. Feel free to give them to John.
00:38:36.720
They don't take any government funding, which is why they're so good. Stay with us. More ahead.
00:38:40.960
Hey, welcome back on my show last night. Derek writes,
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tell a lie long enough and people will believe it. You're talking about that Pfizer investors call
00:39:01.280
where they say, Hey guys, great profit-making opportunities. Yeah. Here comes the third booster
00:39:06.000
and the fourth booster. We're, we're never going to get out of this, are they? Are we? And,
00:39:09.680
and why would we? I mean, there's such concentrated benefits to extremely wealthy people, uh, that
00:39:18.000
each of us suffers a little bit, but the wins are so concentrated. The Pfizer's, the Amazon.com's, the
00:39:26.880
liberal insiders getting massive contracts. They will never allow this to end. They just have too
00:39:32.080
much skin in the game. Jer writes, Bill Gates and Jeffrey Epstein hanging out tells you everything you
00:39:37.760
need to know about this man's character and trustworthiness. Yeah. I know one person who
00:39:43.200
met, uh, Jeffrey Epstein and was immediately creeped out by him. And it's actually Ann Coulter
00:39:49.520
who tells the story of when she was, when he pulled up alongside her in his limo and, and she just
00:39:56.240
immediately, all the alarm bells were ringing. I obviously never met Jeffrey Epstein, but even if
00:40:01.920
he didn't creep you out and weird you out just on site, Bill Gates was still hanging out with him
00:40:08.560
after his crimes came public. So I think Bill Gates knew exactly what Jeffrey Epstein was about.
00:40:16.000
And I wouldn't be surprised if he was a participant. Paul writes, Ann and Fellum have been kicking it
00:40:21.600
lately. I'll be donating. The trouble today is that you want the truth. You have to go looking for it.
00:40:26.480
Big media will deliver nothing but lies, half-truths, and censorship.
00:40:30.720
Yeah. I mean, listen, we're talking about lots of crowdfunding, right? Rebel lives on crowdfunding.
00:40:35.600
Uh, we mentioned John Carpe and the JCCF, Ann and Fellum McAleer. That's how it is when you're not in
00:40:41.680
the government track. I mean, if we were in the government track, we'd be getting huge bailout money,
00:40:46.160
maybe huge corporate money, maybe even venture capital money, but we're not. We're for the little
00:40:51.360
guys. So we rely on little guy donations. It's a tough way to live, but I think it's a more honest
00:40:55.520
way to live. Well, that's the show for today. Until tomorrow, on behalf of all of us here at Rebel
00:41:00.720
World Headquarters, to you at home, good night, and keep fighting for freedom.