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Daily Caller reporter Chrissy Clark joins me to talk about the latest in the Elon Musk saga, including the purchase of a stake in Elon Musk's company, Tesla, and the introduction of a new edit button. We also talk about Alex Jones, Milo Yiannopoulos, and more.
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Welcome back to another episode of Andrew Says.
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Today I'm with The Chrissy, you know her from Daily Caller.
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I guess I should say your last name too, Chrissy Clark, reporter for The Daily Caller.
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Great, thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here.
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Thanks, excited to have you. First thing I want to know, what are you doing in Canada?
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I was unfortunately here for a funeral, but I got to see some family and make the best out of it.
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I guess we were like really trending away from this whole wearing black to a funeral thing.
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We were all asked to wear colors, so we were like decked out in pink and purple.
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It looked really fun. It was actually a great time, and my grandma was quite the fool.
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We saw lots of videos of her drunk dancing, so, you know, what's a funeral without some drunk videos of your grandma?
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And that's very like a New Orleans thing, is to have a celebration at a funeral.
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That's where a lot of music started in New Orleans.
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Coming up next, my rap documentary, by the way.
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News of the day, though, what we talked about, wanting to talk about today, was Elon and Twitter.
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What do you think is the best case scenario that comes from this?
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Well, I think Twitter being privatized is obviously the best option because I think, you know, you go on social media platforms,
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and a lot of them, when people talk about the 2020 election and the U.S. being rigged, I think a lot of the times what they mean by that
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is it feels like the top echelons of power and distribution of content is being rigged against a lot of conservatives.
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That's just how they feel, and regardless of whether the data bears out that point, that's how they feel.
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And so to have an outlet like Twitter that's no longer going to be pressing people or pressing an anti-conservative agenda,
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I definitely think that, you know, at this point, they have to do their fiduciary duty to their stakeholders,
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so Twitter is probably going to have to take this.
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Reuters, I think, came out with an exclusive a couple hours ago saying, you know, like, this is it.
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Yes, $54 a share, but I think it's $43.6 billion for the company.
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But anyway, that's the state of it, and I'm excited to see what he does with it.
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But I'm also very, very skeptical of this edit button.
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Yeah, so I guess the idea is to have an edit button, and you can, you know, go back and edit things,
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Well, I just feel like the trolls on Twitter will use this to capitalize.
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Like, you look at somebody from CNN that completely spews wrongful lies,
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and they go back and they deceptively edit their articles.
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Why wouldn't they deceptively edit their tweets?
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Well, what if they have a previous version of it?
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But, you know, to just be able to edit things, the reason if you want to edit is for misspells
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or whatnot, that you wouldn't need to go back and see the original one, right?
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I think in the grand schemes, what it's going to be used for is going back and deceptively editing things
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that journalists put out and being able to correct their misinformation that they've been spewing for so long.
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Do you think that they should do something in the lines of bringing people back, giving a second chance to people?
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There's Alex Jones, there's Trump, there's Milo Yiannopoulos, tons of people, I'm sure,
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that maybe were wrong, maybe not wrongfully, but harshly kicked off the platform.
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Do you think there should be one, you know, instance of repentance, if you will?
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Oh, I definitely would love to see President Trump back on there.
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His posts are not as great as when they come on Twitter.
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They're just a different brand of fire when he's on Twitter.
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If you're really that offended by someone's thoughts and someone's tweets, go to TikTok.
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You can be called out for hate speech if you misgender someone.
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But I look at that and, no, absolutely, these people should be allowed back on.
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I don't care if I don't agree with Trump on many things, but it doesn't mean I don't want
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I would hate for that to be the standard that we have on social media.
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And people like Elon Musk are not some radical right wing conservative.
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And free speech means giving the opportunity to even the most annoying people in the world
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But do you think he would do that, given that he has his own social network now?
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Yeah, I don't think Truth Social is even a real competitor, as we've seen many times.
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We had Parler, Getter, all these different right wing spinoffs.
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The problem with social media is they initially came in as nonpartisan.
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These were just outlets where anybody could go and there wasn't a partisan direction to
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When you're creating second tier options like that, you're never going to get liberals on.
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How are they going to, how are they really going to grow that brand?
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I'd be interested to see if he wanted to come back.
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So let's be honest, he'll come back if he's given the opportunity to.
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It's more attention, more opportunity for his name to be in the headlines, which he loves.
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I think they should do announcements like on this day, Trump's coming back.
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That way the media can profit off of it, which we know they want to do.
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Yeah, CNN Plus might actually have a chance to come back if Donald Trump was on Twitter.
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They'll just have their own Donald Trump-focused show, Brian Stelter.
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Did you ever see the Project Veritas where he's caught in his sandals and robe in the
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That gives me Jeffrey Toobin vibes that I don't need.
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I wanted to talk to you about the CRT stuff in Florida.
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You'd written an article about the examples, and I was covering this the other day, and
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it was basically, and we'll throw it up, was basically some of it was in math books, and
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they were studying how different ages, age groups are more racist than others, and of
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I wonder who was the most racist in that chart.
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So, Florida has implemented new standards, and in the U.S. during the Bush administration,
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excuse me, I'm trying not to gag, they implemented Common Core standards, which are just absolute
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crap standards, and they really push for standardized testing in the U.S., which we know for most
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kids, and especially minority kids, doesn't work very well.
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It's never been favorable towards the majority of kids.
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It really has bolstered the Asian population's credentials because they have, you know, it's
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part of their culture to just really be part of that and inculcated into education and higher
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education, but, you know, lots of kids don't have that.
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So, standardized testing in Common Core has become a big part of the American public education
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curriculum, and when Ron DeSantis came into office, he was like, we're nixing this, we're
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we're making different standards, and so he implemented Florida's best standards, best,
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I don't know what it stands for, but, you know, something, be better in education, something
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like that, but they're just different standards for Floridian students instead of these Common
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Core standards, so he was initially going in and wiping out textbooks that were focused
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on this, and when they were going through, they started noticing that they had information
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on social-emotional learning, which we all know is just a code word for critical race
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theory, and they also had different examples, like you were touching on, where there was
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a textbook, and this is a textbook I've covered many times, it's like a Pearson's sixth-grade
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algebra textbook, and in it, it uses data from the race-implicit bias test from Harvard,
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which is already debunked, we already know that that's not even accurate data, so you're
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giving inaccurate data to a bunch of sixth-graders that tells them that conservatives are more racist
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So those tests were the ones where they've sort of flashed things on screen, right, and
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then the person mentions if they have an emotional reaction or something to it?
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Yeah, yeah, and then they had one like that, but there's also another one that's just like
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Yeah, and it's definitely rigged from the get-go, and it's trying to understand whether
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you have implicit racial animosity towards certain things.
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It's like, well, everyone's naturally predisposed to things that are similar to them, so like,
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yes, in some sort of way, everyone has an implicit bias.
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I don't understand the need for a test like that, but anyway, it's been debunked many times,
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even by far-left liberals and leftists in the U.S., and it's not a real thing.
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So not only are you feeding kids a really skewed version of the world, but you're using debunked
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They're trying to push that on kids, and so DeSantis was like, no, we're not putting this
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The problem was is that a lot of these textbooks have copyrighted materials, so they're not
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exactly published yet, so they couldn't go and screenshot pictures that were in the math
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So they had parents do it instead, and so it took a little while for them to release
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this information, but you know, we live in a time where transparency, we expect it instantaneously.
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It's the world that we live in, and that's exactly what was going on.
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I was kind of pushing back against them, and lots of people, even the New York Times was
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pushing back against them, like, hey, show us one example, just one example so we can believe
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And they did release the example, but it took a long time, and the governor's office
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went on, they went to say, like, oh, we don't have any examples, we've never seen the material
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Well, then how are you in favor of it if you've never seen the material before, or how are
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So we're just pushing back a little bit on that, but it was really interesting to watch
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them kind of slow roll it, just expect everybody to take them at their word, but then, you
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know, you see it, and it's definitely critical race theory-inspired ideology there, and it
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shouldn't be in textbooks for sixth graders, and I'm all for it.
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What do you say to people who would say, this shouldn't be happening because we shouldn't
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Right, yeah, I hear that argument, and most often it's done with, like, pornographic novels.
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We have some books, what's it called, Gender Queer, I think one of them's called.
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But it's, you know, there's graphic pornography in these books.
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Um, yeah, these are just books that are out there, and parents have been pushing back
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These are, the problem is, is that I personally think, these are public tax dollars.
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You know, we fund our public schools via tax dollars.
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You shouldn't be sending your kid to get ideologically skewed away from you with your own money.
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If you decide to do that with a private school and you go to a private school, that's your money,
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But if we're paying public tax dollars, I think it's the same argument you could actually make for
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the U.S. Hatch Act, which was, um, or the Hyde Amendment, sorry.
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The Hyde Amendment, which doesn't allow taxpayer dollars to support abortions.
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Do we have to ban teachers from teaching crappy subjects to kids?
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No, but at the same time, I don't believe my public tax dollars should be used towards
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And I think that's a pretty fair understanding, especially when so often this goes against
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one, it's politically driven in one way, and you're never going to see it skewed to
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the right where you have kids being indoctrinated about, I don't know, like learning about the
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I think those don't even happen at Catholic schools anymore.
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Even the Episcopal schools in Dallas are like very, they're very woke.
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I just covered an assembly that they did where all these kids were forced to sit down and
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learn that like the Catholics and the Episcopal church are now pro-LGBT.
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I'm like, you're going to have to take that up with the Pope.
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And isn't it always so interesting when mainstream news outlets cover, um, different, like there's
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And if it's ever pushed by, um, like a radical jihad movement, it's always like local news
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But then as soon as, as soon as it's like a white person doing the exact same thing, it's
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somehow like the biggest national news story in the world.
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You're going to have to end it there, everybody.
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Um, I was also reading one of your articles because I do so much research.
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Um, this Loudoun County school, and you claim that I've heard so much about Loudoun County
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I've been writing about them for a little while.
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So maybe it's true, but they changed their admission standards.
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Is this the same sort of thing that's Harvard style or how do you want to explain that?
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Same thing as Harvard where it's actually a little, little different.
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Um, so we have the NAACP, which is, um, they act like they're just pro black people, but
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they're not, I mean, they're a leftist organization.
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They won't even, when they're asked to endorse a white candidate or a black candidate, the black
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candidate being a Republican and the white candidate being a Democrat, they're, they opt to endorse
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the white person, they're not a, they're not in favor of actually promoting black people.
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They're in favor of promoting a specific ideology.
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So the NAACP has a branch in Loudoun County and, um, there's a, an elite magnet school in
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It's hard to get into, uh, about 75% of the population is Asian at the school.
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Um, that makes white people, black people, Hispanic people, every race other than Asian
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But they had a merit-based admission standards and the NAACP found that their admission standards
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were racist because they weren't allowing enough black people in.
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Well, they aren't also weren't allowing enough Hispanic or white or mixed or disabled kids
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into the school either, but we only took issue with the black kids.
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So then we go in and we have a, a democratic attorney general in Virginia that takes on
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this case and rules in favor of the NAACP and only listing that it's underrepresenting
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black people and Hispanic people when in actuality, every student besides Asians are underrepresented.
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And this has been going on in Virginia for a long time where a lot of these Asian students
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sit there and go, I worked my ass off to get into this school and I have to get punished
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for it because we're, we're going through this like representative coalition time where
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And these are kids that worked really, really hard for this.
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Anyway, we come out, we come to find, we FOIA some documents, whatnot, find out that the
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NAACP are the exact people that rewrote the admission standards for Academies of Loudoun
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and Academies of Loudoun just copy and pasted it and took it.
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So now it takes two standardized tests instead of four to get in, you only need a C in math
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class to get into a school that's focused on science, engineering, technology, and mathematics.
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So, I mean, good luck succeeding at this school when you have a C in geometry.
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Oh wait, you don't need geometry to get into the school anymore.
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Like you're lowering the standards and then they say, oh, well, we're not lowering their
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I was talking to a BLM leader the other day on my show and he, yeah, it's very controversial.
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And he basically, of course, supported the idea of, um, what's the word, not reparations,
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He said at one point it was required because we had to get people in the door who just were
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What would you say to somebody who said, well, we need the whole representation matters argument.
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What would you say to somebody who said, well, if we're not having those people there, then
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how are we supposed to, you know, get our foot in the door, get a leg up, whatever term
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How are we supposed to get into these, these wonderful schools if there isn't a way for
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I think one of the lies about affirmative action is that it's really, um, like ideological
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barriers, which in and of itself is, is quite racist to say that because of someone's skin
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color there, they don't have the mental acuity to attend to Harvard is actually quite racist,
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which is what affirmative action essentially says when actually much more of the issue stems
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from economic issues being, you know, in America, for instance, more often than not, you're
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looking at underprivileged areas that are full of minorities.
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And it's not about their inability to have a public education.
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We have right now kind of a crappy public education system, but you know, it gets you
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The problem is that we have inflated collegiate, um, tuition hikes going on and on and on and
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And it's impossible to get ahead when you're stuck with student loans up the wazoo.
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So I think a lot of socialists will argue, okay, well, we should just get, you know, college
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But at the same time, a lot of the services that are offered at these elite institutions
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institutions, it's actually really sad because we put such an emphasis on going to Harvard
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when you can go to, uh, a pub or a public, um, community college, get the exact same degree
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in advance based on your merits, based on how hard you try.
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Um, college should just be a stepping stone, but instead in America, at least it's got so
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much riding on what school you go to and what the institution says about you.
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So part of it is a cultural driven thing where we're so obsessed with getting credentialed
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And also these, these colleges don't like, these do not need to be warehouses for, you
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know, your multimillion dollar gyms or promoting some radical ideology using hundreds of thousands
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If you can afford to go, I went to Michigan state.
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If I can afford to go to Michigan state, great.
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But I'm not going to take out hundreds of thousands of loans when in actuality and get the exact same
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education down the street at Lansing community college, I just need to get the credentials
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First of all, you have affirmative action saying you must be able to go to these elite institutions.
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Do you, do you really need that to succeed in life?
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I don't think so, but it's also just a push that we have in our culture.
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So I don't think affirmative action is the answer.
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I think putting less emphasis on a stupid college degree where you actually spend four years
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drinking yourself to death is just a, it's a waste of a credential and a waste of money
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And then you can't buy a house and you can't seem to get ahead.
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It's a broad swath of an issue and affirmative action is not the answer.
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It's lowering, lowering these expectations for higher education.
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Another thing you're writing about, and this is a lot of schools, education seems to be
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Um, this all girls school that I was reading about, they had a, uh, an exercise about their
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preferred pronouns or they had to make, so they had a cultural festival where they learned
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about LGBT ideology, that culture, of course, that ancient Asian culture of, uh, two spiriting.
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I believe you have to be native to be allowed to be two spirit.
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Yeah, no, I, I know I've been learning about the Luna gender.
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When the moon comes out, you're a different gender.
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You know, lunatic means a person of the moon, like a person who worships the moon.
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Oh, I think they're, they're, they're, they're, oh, they're not, I mean, they're not
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They only know their gender when the moon is out.
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No, I meant the girls at the school, but I'm interested to learn about the Luna gender.
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So these girls, they went to a cultural festivity, um, at this beautiful new facility.
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That the school had just opened and they, they show up and they, they had, I guess they got
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like a passport where they had to go and get stamps, um, from certain amount of booths
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And one of the tables asked them to make pronoun buttons.
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So it's not really tough to assume their genders.
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And so many of these girls capitulated to it because obviously they don't want to get
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bullied, but at the same time, it's like, is this really an appropriate thing to be doing
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Especially when we're looking at obviously a massive drop in learning loss post pandemic
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I mean, in America, we don't have proper high enough reading proficiency.
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We're focused all of our time on letting them know about the gender pronouns of their teacher.
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Of course, the things that are going to help them succeed in life.
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Why do you think, and this is just, it might be a generalization by myself, but why do you
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think so many young women are willing to go along with a lot of these things?
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You see it with masking, you see it with gender ideology and transgenderism.
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I mean, most of the girls on Leah Thomas's team won't say anything.
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I think two, one anonymously and one publicly have spoken out against him.
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Um, I will say, have you ever read Abigail Schreier's book?
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So the Canadian public school system is also boss.
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Um, no, it's a really great book and it talks about how, um, gender ideology and the whatnots
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is actually a social contagion, similar to young women in anorexia.
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Uh, girls that are in Reddit sub threads that are all anorexic.
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They really compete with each other to see who can not eat the longest and they're not
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They can't be together or else they'll compete to see who can be skinnier, who can eat less.
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It's a, it's a social contagion that young women suffer through and it's tragic.
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And to look at gender ideology as anything different is actually quite a sham.
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And when they get snaps and claps for being the thinnest or for coming out as trans, of
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course, they're seeking that attention and the validation from their peers.
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They, you know, capitulate to all of this because a, they're looking to conform, but
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at the same time, they're looking for that uniqueness.
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And that's, I mean, that's another cultural problem.
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What is it that those, um, Enneagram tasks, like everything is about you, you, you, you,
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And so these young girls, they, you know, they just want to feel unique while at the same
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And that's being trans, being gay and being lesbians, not enough anymore.
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Like, when is it, what, when is trans going to be out?
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Is this like a pendulum swing thing where we go back and it's like, oh, I'm gay and
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I'm going to actually censor myself now because.
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I just, I find it all fascinating that this is hitting young girls in particular.
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I mean, you see this in the UK the most, like 400% increase in young girls coming out
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or getting on hormone trans, what are those called?
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It's really sad because it's a social contagion and it's not what I was expecting to come
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And I think most people initially thought was just about including people and making people
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But now it's capitulating to everybody in order to make one person feel welcome while
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The last thing I want to talk to you about is the whole Disney stuff going on.
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It's crazy to me to see people just, you know, throwing in with giant corporations saying
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And you saw the clip where everybody in the house, the legislature in Florida was up in
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arms crying for poor Disney because they have to pay more taxes now.
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Now, I'm not a person who's just going to say we need to tax the hell out of people.
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But when they make all these threats to the state and to the governor basically saying
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do something about it and he actually does something about it, it's funny to me.
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So what do you think about Disney throwing in with this ideologically?
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I mean, I mentioned the Major League Baseball pulling out of Atlanta when they disagree
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Do you think that's just where we are with, at least it was out in the open, Disney made
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this huge push to be for some policies that they agree with?
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Well, so Disney, their executives, most of them are actually in California.
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So they're capitulating to their woke ideologues.
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They're trying to appease the far left because the far left are often much more aggressive
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So they're like, okay, well, we're just going to capitulate to the far left, do our thing.
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They are pushing a false narrative of the bill.
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There's nothing in it that says you can't say gay.
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You can't talk about, you know, having a partner if you're a gay teacher.
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All it simply says is please don't indoctrinate our kids in any sexual learning, gay, straight,
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whatever the heck you want to talk about until they're in third grade, until they're eight
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That's pretty, you know, it's in the mainstream.
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I think the polling came out to like 64% of the school-aged parents, regardless of party
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So it's very popular when people actually read the text of the bill and they don't hear
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And Disney went all in on, well, we don't agree with this.
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And that's their free speech at the end of the day.
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Do I agree with it, that corporations should be getting into political fights?
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No, even when it benefits my political ideology.
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What happened after that is Ron DeSantis went in and said, well, we're going to take
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away your special tax exemptions, which actually leads to like, I believe, a 15% price hike
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on taxes for people, for residents in those areas.
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So that's going to fall on the burden of the Floridian people.
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And then you have, you know, conservatives have kind of already won on that issue.
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Lots of people went out to say they're canceling their subscriptions.
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They took a hit in the polls with people that said they were going to visit or they would,
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you know, watch Disney movies unfiltered before handing it to their kid.
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You know, this really opened the door to so many things and conservatives won.
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And then Ron DeSantis decided to go after their tax exemption status.
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And to me, I actually kind of found it to be like a really stupid move.
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If I'm going to be completely honest, I was disappointed to see it because if the inverse
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were true and a corporation came out and said, I'm in favor of a bill like this in a very
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liberal state and the liberal state cracked down on the conservative company, I wouldn't
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So why would I want to give that power to the government?
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I so often say, if you wouldn't want the inverse happening on you, why do it?
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But then I do hear the other argument that I hear is, well, conservatives finally have
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Why would you not want to use your power when you have it, when you know the left is going
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And I think that's the problem is we're fighting amongst, you know, powerful people.
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It belongs in the hands of the people, not in the hands of Ron DeSantis fighting with
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And I actually think that if Disney appeals this bill and sues the Florida government
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on this, they have a real shot of winning because the First Amendment in the U.S., which
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protects our free speech, it's large and encompassing and very well could be looked at as punishment
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I could see the Florida government losing on something they had already won.
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So it just seems like a big waste of time, in my opinion.
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Well, I applaud your ability to criticize both sides.
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It seems you have a lot of feelings about Florida that they're going to come after you
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So I make my way down every once in a while, but far enough away from the from Tallahassee,
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Our social media guy works in Florida, lives in Florida.
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You're not opposed to intergender boxing matches.
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Actually, isn't that the only thing that people don't have issue with is the wrestling matches?
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So I was I was listening to a podcast about or no, I was listening to some teacher about
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You that all these different sports like Leah Thomas, like we were talking about, you know,
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So people are saying, oh, well, you know, wrestling could be actually the only thing.
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But I was interesting that people were saying, oh, we could do it based on weight class.
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Because there are 125 pound male fighters in sports, 125 female fighters.
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Go read her articles for a lot of wonderful woke stuff like we've talked about today.
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I'm holding on way too long and I don't know why.