ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ Jason Miller： How to give Trump advice
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Jason Miller is CEO of social media platform Getter, a Newsmax contributor, and former senior advisor to Donald Trump. He is active in a fight against censorship and the monopoly that Silicon Valley has on the internet. Jason joins me to discuss Governor Andrew Cuomo's announcement that he is stepping down as Governor of New York.
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Jason Miller is CEO of social media platform Getter, Newsmax contributor and former senior
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advisor to Donald Trump. He is active in a fight against censorship and the monopoly
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that Silicon Valley has. Jason, thanks for joining me. How are you today, young man?
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I'm doing fantastic. Great to be back with you. And we're very excited. We've got some good
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things going on with Getter and the world's a crazy place. I'm glad to be able to join you and
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chat about it. Yeah, there's so many things I want to talk to you about. The first thing I think that's
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on everybody's mind the last 24 hours is Governor Cuomo resigning. I want to play this video of his
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from when he announced his resignation, stating his reasoning. I'm not sure a lot of people believe
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it. So I want to play it and get your thoughts on it. Can we go ahead with that? And wasting energy
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on distractions is the last thing that state government should be doing. And I cannot be
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the cause of that. New York tough means New York loving. And I love New York. And I love you.
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And everything I have ever done has been motivated by that love. And I would never want to be
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unhelpful in any way. And I think that given the circumstances, the best way I can help now
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is if I step aside and let government get back to governing. And therefore, that's what I'll do.
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Because I work for you. And doing the right thing is doing the right thing for you.
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Because as we say, it's not about me. It's about we. Kathy Hochul, my lieutenant governor,
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is smart and competent. This transition must be seamless.
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Jason, he loves you. I think he's done stuff that's objectively bad, no matter what side you're
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on. The nursing homes, for example. I don't agree with his vaccine verbiage where he tells people he's
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going to basically bust in their doors and force them. Do you believe that he just loves the city
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so much that he wants to step down? Or are you buying what this speech was all about? He's got
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an Emmy, Jason. He does. And I think he might have an Oscar to add to his mantle now. Look,
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if you believe one single word that Andrew Cuomo said in that clip that you played, then I have some
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swampland in Calgary to sell you. Because folks, it is not happening. There was no road to Damascus
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conversion. He did not wake up and magically see the light and say, oh, I just love people and I
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just want to make sure what's best for New York State. Here's what happened. The folks in Albany
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went to him and said, we have the votes. You're going to get bounced. You can either walk out on
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your feet or walk out, politically speaking, in a pine box. And that's what they went to him and told
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him and said, you got to go. The votes are there. Nobody's going to go and defend you. No one's going
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to rally around you. But I do want to say one thing here with regard to Andrew Cuomo. And I think
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he did a terrible job as governor. I'd say anyone who lost a family member in one of these nursing
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homes would attest to that. I think anyone who lost a business in the state of New York would
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attest to his terrible handling of COVID. Any kid who lost an entire year of school, I think would
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point to Governor Cuomo as being a disaster. That being said, look, you live by the woke, you die by
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the woke. If you live by virtue signaling, then you die by virtue signaling. I'm not saying that
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Andrew Cuomo is not a jerk or that some of his behavior sounds like was inappropriate. There was
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no real due process. There was nothing that went through this. They basically said, you got to go.
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And he went because that's how it works in this new environment. And so, again, I'm not going to
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defend Andrew Cuomo in one way or another. I'm going to say that when you spend all your time virtue
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signaling, watch out because the pendulum swings back. So you weren't convinced by his, I kiss
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everyone. No, when he, the day he resigned, I believe it was just yesterday, the talking point
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put out was that he announced this to distract from the infrastructure bill. So he announced it
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on purpose. Do you think that could be the case? Or is there something else? Is it just, you know,
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but if he knows he's going down and he can do it on any day, is there some merit to that?
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I, you know, I would be really surprised if that was the case. Cause keep in mind, Cuomo,
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you know, he'll go, I don't know what he'll do is he'll do something to try to repair his image.
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Maybe he'll, you know, build some hut somewhere or, you know, go try to save the whales or something
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like that and then come back. He's still going to want these relationships with the democratic party.
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He's going to go and try to monetize this lifetime, this whole family lineage of connections. And so
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he wouldn't do it on thing to intentionally and keep in mind also that, you know, some of these,
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these votes were happening in the middle of the night. I think what happened was he was at a place
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that he thought was untenable and the folks in Albany, like I said, they went to him and said,
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the votes are there. You got to go. And it was just at a point where they didn't think they could
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hold the dam anymore before it burst. And so, but it was a fascinating press conference. Just take a
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moment here as someone who's, who's been through a number of fascinating press conferences with a
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number of political figures over my, my career. And, you know, they spent all morning with Cuomo's
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lawyer, essentially bashing the accusers saying that, Hey, you're going to get outed. You're going
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to get publicly shamed. We're going to make your life very difficult for you. Then Cuomo goes and
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delivers his, his press conference, which, you know, the first 20 minutes of it very much sounded like
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he was going to dig in and fight. And then he says, Oh, so, uh, I don't want to be a distraction
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anymore. I'm going to go ahead and leave. Uh, and by the way, I did great things for, uh, COVID
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LGBTQ community, uh, E Pluribus Unum. Uh, he threw out some other high, some random E Pluribus Unum was
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one. Um, he threw out a couple other, just random phrases. It was literally like, um, uh, like a,
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a political resignation Mad Libs with just a random bunch of garbage thrown in there. And then he's
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like, Hey, 14 days, uh, I'll see you guys around. So it was, it was one of the more bizarre, uh,
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resignations, uh, that I've seen. But again, uh, Cuomo has no soul. I mean, he's very much a, uh,
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I mean, the, the only person who's, you know, I think probably more narcissistic than him is
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probably his little brother, Fredo. Uh, I'm not sure if that's the name that was on his confirmation,
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Fredo Cuomo. Uh, but that's how he's affectionately known Chris Cuomo from, uh, the CNN communist
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news network. Uh, but, uh, Fredo might be the only person more narcissistic than his brother.
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But look, the only reason why he's leaving is because they said we have the votes and you got
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to go. Jason, uh, I was reading up on the replacement there, Kathy Hochul. I think that's
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how you pronounce it. Hochul. She was being criticized and stuff that I was reading, uh, from leftist
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sources, um, for opposing driver's licenses for illegal immigrants. And that was in 2014.
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And my thinking is 2014 in politics is a hundred years. Uh, there, I don't think there's any way
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that, uh, a Democrat who is second in command to Cuomo comes in and does stuff like that. Do you
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think anything is going to actually change for, I don't know what our opinion would be for the better?
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No, I don't think so. And keep in mind, I think that the, uh, you know, one of the things that's
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kind of being swept under the rug a little bit is the fact that Hochul was not more vocal,
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uh, with regard to Andrew Cuomo during all of this, this mess that was going on. Um, and I think
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that, uh, Albany, both the, uh, fellow politicians, but then also with regard to the media, I think
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they're going to be paying a lot of attention. And look, I would not rule out, uh, the state
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attorney general, Letitia James. I would not rule out her jumping in and saying, I'm making the play
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for governor. I mean, she's the, um, she's the big powerhouse right now. And, uh, if I were her,
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uh, I would definitely jump in. No one knows who the Lieutenant governor is. Um, so I think it's
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going to be a very bumpy road. Um, if Hochul does decide to go and run and carry on.
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Yeah. I don't see too much changing from within them. If they just put in his second in command,
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I also wanted to talk to you, um, about Ted Cruz. He's putting in, uh, bands on mandates or he wants
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to kind of like, uh, Gavin Newsom did in Florida. So I want to get his clip out there and I want to get
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your thoughts on that and whether or not you think it's going to go through. Go ahead, please.
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Justin. Time of crisis, people's characters revealed and, and the character of Democrats,
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whether it is Joe Biden, whether it is Andrew Cuomo, whether it is Bill de Blasio, whether it
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is Gavin Newsom, the character from their perspective, they do not respect your Liberty.
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They do not respect your right to make your choices about your healthcare, about your children,
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about your lives. My view is very simple. There should be no mandates, zero concerning COVID.
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That means no mask mandates, regardless of your vaccination status. That means no man,
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no vaccine mandates. That means no vaccine passports. And I've introduced legislation,
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a bill to ban vaccine passports. This week, I'm introducing a bill to ban vaccine mandates.
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And this will I'm week I'm introducing a bill to end mask mandates. Now that doesn't mean as the
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media likes to characterize that I'm opposed to vaccines. I actually think vaccines are terrific.
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I've taken the vaccine. My family's taken the vaccine.
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Now, this is really difficult for me to parse through, I think, because on one hand,
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I don't agree with mask mandates or vaccine mask or vaccine mandates. But on the other hand,
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I kind of lean towards thinking that if this was a different issue, an issue that I supported,
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if I was for masks, for example, which I'm not, wouldn't I want it to be mandated to go down to
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the local level or the school board level? What if a bunch of these parents are all together and they
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say, we want this mandate? Wouldn't a mandate banning mandates essentially take away the localized
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government and take away the ability for people to decide on a municipal level to make these decisions
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on their own? How do you feel about that? What do you think? Well, to be honest with you, at first
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glance, my understanding was that was at the federal level. So maybe I was looking at it a little bit
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too quickly and didn't get as much of a read. But yes, ultimately, I think this is something that's
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better decided at the local level, at the state level. I think where we've really run into trouble
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is when we look to, say, Washington, D.C. or quite frankly, in any country, when we look to the,
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you know, whoever's version of a NHS or might be in power or the CDC and say, you guys give us the
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one size fits all. I mean, the science has moved so frequently under Anthony Fauci. And part of that,
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you know, not to be rude to science, some of that is just Anthony Fauci flip-flopping in the wind
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with regard to the United States. But for example, I'm someone who, look, I'm vaccinated. I'm not
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ashamed to tell people I think they should go get vaccinated. I very much get concerned about
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vaccine passports or vaccine mandates for a simple fact that if after this step, then what's next?
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Saying you can't have a job if you're not vaccinated. Someone on CNN, I hate watched it
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for a few minutes yesterday morning, was actually advocating that exact position. I think with masks,
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the science has moved so much that I'm not convinced of the effectiveness. Here's a very serious
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point. A little bit flippant, but it's also a serious point. Anthony Fauci, not that long ago,
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was telling people to wear two masks. Why is he not coming back and telling people to wear two masks
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now? Why is he only saying that kids two and up wear one mask? Why not wear two masks as he was
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previously advocating? It's these types of details that nobody seems to be raising and take an issue
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with. I do like the fact that Senator Cruz, a former boss of mine, also my second favorite Canadian
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after Wayne Gretzky, is making an issue of this and pushing back against some of the overreach I've
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seen from the CDC. But back to your initial point, I do think this is much better decided at the local
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or the state levels. Yeah, it's really interesting. And in terms of Fauci, the mask, even his emails,
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he said the complete opposite. He told somebody a personal email. He said, you don't need to wear it if
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you're not infected. So I think it's really weird that all those emails came out, which showed that
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all of his knowledge, we won't get into it about Wuhan, and then all his flip-flopping on even on a
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personal level, unless he's lying to his friend. Yet they still, they took like a week off and then
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they returned to him as their pundit in chief. It's really weird to me that we just brush all the stuff
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where he was blatantly lying about under the rug. I want to go over now to...
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Well, look, they treat him as, I mean, he's the exalted one. He is a medical Jesus. He is the one
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who's going to save us from COVID, except for the fact that he was helping to fund the lab,
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except when he wasn't helping to fund the lab or bowing down to Tedros, the WHO, except when he
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wasn't bowing down to Tedros or even President Xi. Look, how many days in the week are there? We'll tell
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you how many positions Anthony Fauci has on an issue. Yeah, and I don't want to act like I'm
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trying to defend him. I did videos on him. I think he's willing to say whatever he needs to say at
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the time to, you know, make the interview end faster. It's the idea I get from him. I was reading
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your article from the Washington Times the other day. Actually, I think it just, I think that must
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have been this morning. And there's a crazy stat in it, and we'll put it up after, but it just kind
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of blew my mind, and I got into like the math behind it. Your article in the Washington Times,
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it says 36% of President Biden's voters did not know about the laptop story, Hunter Biden,
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of course, and at least 4.6% of them said that they would not have voted for him had they known about
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it. Now, the whole article is about internet censorship, and I think everybody should read it,
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but I did a little bit of the math, and that's over 3.6 million votes, and that actually swings the
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popular vote in Trump's favor. Now, take that as you will. You'd have to break down where all those
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votes are, but we know some people always like to go by, well, he won the popular vote. They love
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doing that with Hillary. I just think that's a crazy stat. Why do you think, is there a clear-cut
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answer why they didn't want the Hunter Biden stuff out there? Because it still, to this day, comes out.
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You see some more hilarious photos or videos. There is that phone call he recorded himself,
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shirtless in his lap, on his laptop, smoking, I think, meth or crackle. He's on the phone with
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somebody. Is there a defined, did we find out the defined reason as to why they blocked that on
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Twitter and everything, or is it just as we think it was, to, you know, just hide it from the voters?
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Well, I mean, with regard to doing a little meth while you're on a phone call, I mean, who among us?
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I mean, you know, we're not going to throw some stones here. But look, this was, this is just very
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blatant. This was an effort where big tech and big media came together to say that they did not want
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damaging information out prior to an election. And to be clear here, look, I realize that Hunter
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Biden has had some very serious issues with substance abuse and some other, when you see about
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his relationship with his father, it's actually pretty, it's pretty sad to see some of it. But
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here's the, here's the, let's put that aside for a moment. It's the Biden family corruption. It's
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going back to the swamp. It's going back to the elites. It's going back to the establishment that if
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you're born into a certain name, that if you've gone to a certain school, that things magically fall
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your way. It's the exact same reason why President Trump won in 2016, because he was taking on the
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powers that be. And so, for example, when you look at the Clinton Global Initiative, and the way that
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that blew back on Crooked Hillary in 2016, you look at the Biden Family Inc, this is a half century of
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grift, not just from Hunter, but from James and Frank, the president's brothers, who've literally,
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they've spent the last half century, just making money selling access. And it's, it shows you exactly
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what's going to, I mean, look now, it's almost as if you could have predicted this. The fact that
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Hunter Biden is selling his rehab paintings for 500 grand apiece, $500,000 from basically, you know,
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one hour therapy session that he goes and puts out there, nobody's buying those because they,
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they just think that it's Picasso reincarnated. They're buying because they think that will help
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them get access to then the Biden administration. So everything that we thought was going to come true
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has come true. And that's why big tech and big media sat on that story. They did not want damaging
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info about Biden Inc, the grifting, the international corruption, the fact that Biden is compromised by
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everyone from the CCP, to the Ukrainians, to these other countries. And we've never seen something like
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that before. It's why I titled the op-ed, this is the worst year for censorship in American history.
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Because what we've seen with whether it's shutting down talk of the Wuhan lab, or shutting down people
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willing to criticize Fauci or criticizing Joe Biden and Hunter Biden at all, we've never seen
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censorship, coordinated censorship and political discrimination on this level.
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People just have to read that stuff. It's the same thing, as I mentioned, with the Fauci emails.
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Even if you go back to the Podesta emails, if you just read the stuff, you'll have vastly more
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knowledge on these topics. And you'll be able to predict some of the stuff that's going to happen
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based on words from their own mouth. So I want to, I want to transition that to Getter.
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And we, the last time we talked, we talked about some of the features and I want to get to more of
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those in a bit, but I want to talk about when you first started it. What was like this big,
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the big idea you had, or the biggest goal you had when you started Getter from the get-go? What did,
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First thing I wrote down is number one, free speech. Number two, oppose cancel culture.
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And that's, those are really the two principles that we started with. And as we, this was before
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there was any market research or figuring out how many folks might be willing to come to a new
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platform. It's, you know what, we need to support free speech and oppose cancel culture. It doesn't
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matter what country you're in. It doesn't matter what political party, what your ideology. Those are
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really the two founding principles that I think can bring everyone together. Now you fast forward five
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weeks later, two million users, about half of that's in the U.S., half is around the country.
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Canada right now is our number four biggest country with regard to a user base. The top
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three being number one, the U.S., number two, Brazil, about 15%, then Japan and Canada's right
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behind. So Canada is going to be a very important partner for us as we talk about growth. Obviously,
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you look at the users per population, you see we have a very good start with regard to Canada.
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A couple of features we have just waiting for the app to be approved. We'll have notifications
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coming soon. Live streaming is right around the corner. The online appreciation, online tipping
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will be coming up. And so some really cool things coming and great folks have joined this platform.
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Really excited will be Mike Pompeo and Ben Carson, President Bolsonaro. And I think we have a couple
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other world leaders that are right at the cusp. We're about ready to hopefully get them on the
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platform or worldwide political figures. And so it's a fun thing. I never thought that I'd be
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unifying the world under opposition to big tech. And as I told you last time we had the opportunity
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to talk, if you're frustrated as an American that three billionaires in Silicon Valley are dictating
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your free speech rights, imagine if you live outside of the U.S. If you're someone who's in Canada,
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you're like, wait a minute, why are these three billionaires in Silicon Valley, a different country,
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tell me what my free speech rights are. It's the same sentiment all around the world. People want
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their self-determination. They want their political free speech and they're tired of the political
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censorship. Yeah. And a lot of the stuff I was going to ask you is answered right there. That's
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really cool. I started on YouTube, I think in 2017 and I watched the algorithm change. I watched the
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censorship grow and hide my content from viewers. I went from millions a month to thousands a month.
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And just having been on Getter for, I think, less than a month now, I can tell
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that it's natural growth. Like people actually see things. So I'm happy about that. I think the tips
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are a big thing. And I wanted to ask you if you had a plan for who you want to partner with or who
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you are partnering with for payment processing, because all this stuff that's coming out,
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we're going down the road now of political bias in payment processing. Do you have any news you can
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share on that? So that's yes and no. The bottom line is that we actually kind of where this becomes
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then a profitable entity. Of course, there's the online tipping, the online appreciation,
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much in the same way that you give bits to someone who's on Twitch. But people used to be able to
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monetize, for example, their Facebook content, and they're not able to do that anymore. And we see
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YouTube continually keeps taking people down. We want Getter to be a place where content creators or
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show hosts, folks like yourself can go and, you know what, I can put up my episode. I can put up
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my video and not have a fear of it being taken down because someone in Silicon Valley doesn't like
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that. And so what we're actually working through on the payment side, I met with my chief engineer
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this morning to go through some of the timelines on these things. But we actually even want to work
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in GetterPay, a direct competitor to Apple Pay and Alipay. That'll be essentially our own payment
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system provider. And so that's a little bit further down the road, hopefully not too much further,
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because as my board members keep saying, we're not running a nonprofit forever. This does need to
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become a profitable entity at a certain point. But you're right. Every step of the way, I have to
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think through independence. I have to think through redundancies. I have to make sure that we're not
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going to be undercut or deplatformed simply because, again, some woke oligarch wakes up and says,
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eh, these guys are getting a little too big for the britches. Time to deplatform them.
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One of the things I like that I was noticing and thinking about the other day about Getter is
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that when you post, for example, this is just one of the things, for example, you post a link and a
00:22:26.540
video because a lot of the stuff when we promote on here, I post a link to the article and I post a
00:22:31.920
clip from this episode, let's say, and it actually shows both. Twitter doesn't do that. So it'll show
00:22:36.880
you both the video and then it'll have the article underneath. I thought that was just really cool,
00:22:41.220
something I wanted to tell people about. And I also like how fast the videos upload in comparison to
00:22:46.720
especially Parler, which goes super slow, and Twitter, which is still slower than Getter. So maybe
00:22:52.220
that's something people can think about. You covered pretty much anything, any other integrations you
00:22:58.540
want to tell us about that are coming? Or do you think you covered, I think you covered most, like a lot of stuff.
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I think that's that. And actually, you know, we've gotten some really good feedback from folks. I am and I
00:23:07.120
continue to hound on this. So my poor engineers who I yell at all the time, I do want to get a essentially
00:23:13.880
similar to as we've seen the clubhouse or locker room, the ability for folks to have online audio
00:23:21.740
conversations with each other is essentially an audio chat room. I really like that feature, especially if, say,
00:23:27.420
you're a political figure. Then you want to do the proverbial emergency press conference. You can just
00:23:32.740
hit a button and start talking, then people can pick you up live. I think that's fantastic. I also
00:23:37.540
want to do a little bit more when it comes to some of the coalitions and community building. So people
00:23:41.840
can join different groups, they can be part of different things that they like to follow. And of
00:23:46.860
course, also, I want to get translations in there pretty soon. We're up right now, I think we're in nine
00:23:52.060
or 10 languages I just authorized today to get moving. We'll have Italian added in a couple days,
00:23:57.880
Hungarian, Polish. So we have a number of different languages that are being added. I like interacting
00:24:03.580
with folks from other countries. I like reading news sources from other countries. Having that will
00:24:07.940
really, really give people the ability to follow things that are going outside of their sphere. And
00:24:13.800
again, I think there's this really great synergy with people in different countries and say, you know
00:24:18.560
what, I'm America first, or I'm Canada first, or Brazil first. I believe in my right to self
00:24:23.400
determination. I believe in my country. But you know what, I like to connect with people who are
00:24:27.340
just as prideful about their country and their self determination. And I think in a counterintuitive
00:24:34.120
way, in a way that the media wouldn't have thought, I'm actually seeing a lot more here in the US,
00:24:39.160
a lot more say, mega, make America great again type folks who are now interested in following and
00:24:44.780
learning about people in other countries than maybe ever before. And so I think there's a great
00:24:49.340
way to bring the world together out of this drive for political free speech and self determination.
00:24:54.880
Yeah, it's a really cool platform. I'm glad you're able to share all that stuff for us. And
00:24:58.580
for everybody watching, he does not sponsor this show. I just like the platform. I'm open to it,
00:25:03.400
though. Before I let you go, I want to talk to you about Trump. There's so many questions that come up
00:25:08.240
when we talk about the job that you had. How how do you get approached for a job like that? How do
00:25:14.940
you get approached to say, come on board and and speak directly with the president all the time
00:25:24.100
So a couple of things here. I initially when President Trump was thinking about running for
00:25:28.360
president in 2012, it was technically in 2011, earlier on that cycle, a former business partner
00:25:35.820
of mine. Actually, I guess at the time he was a current business partner still was friends with
00:25:41.540
Jared Kushner and made the introduction. And so President Trump had won in 2012, then I would have
00:25:47.880
been his campaign manager for the overall campaign. Obviously, he did not run. Mitt Romney ran, lost a
00:25:54.420
race that he easily should have won. But then as President Trump went in 2016, I wasn't sure that he was
00:26:01.400
going to run. Ended up, as I mentioned before, worked with Ted Cruz. Initially, he finished second.
00:26:07.120
And then about a month after that race, then I got a call again from Jared Kushner saying that now
00:26:12.500
President Trump would like to meet with me. He knew me from the campaign trail, didn't really
00:26:16.620
and knew me from years before, but didn't have a close personal relationship. I had worked for Mayor
00:26:21.520
Rudy Giuliani back in 2008 when he ran for president. We didn't do particularly well. I thought I did well
00:26:27.560
on his campaign, but we didn't really win. But so we had some friends in common, some commonality.
00:26:34.400
And when I asked Jared that, and this is a real long answer to your short question,
00:26:39.540
why are you guys calling me? Why are you interested in having me? He said, because you can adapt and
00:26:45.020
you're used to working with larger than life personalities and you know how to take your job
00:26:49.600
serious, but not take yourself too serious. And then he kind of said, well, and we've also tried
00:26:55.140
everybody else and they haven't worked. So now we're at you. So now, so I'm not sure which one
00:26:59.660
it was either way. I'm very appreciative for the opportunity that Jared and then President Trump
00:27:03.520
gave me. I actually spent an hour with President Trump yesterday, working him some more on trying
00:27:08.620
to come over to get her. I think it got a little bit closer, no, no announcements or anything,
00:27:13.040
but I'm, I'm working it. So it is kind of fun when, when you go back in and spend some time with,
00:27:18.140
with President Trump. And so still in very close contact with his team. And obviously I'm going to be a
00:27:24.140
a loyal supporter indefinitely. Do you guys go to dinner? Did you guys go golfing? What'd you guys
00:27:30.200
do? So my, my golf game is a pretty trifling and his is actually pretty good. And so I stay away
00:27:36.640
from that out of, I like to, like Sun Tzu said, fight on terrain. That's good for you. So I went into,
00:27:42.740
I went into his office and just, we just had a one-on-one meeting in his office there in Trump
00:27:46.820
tower on the 26th floor with a similar shot. He's at the other side of central park from where I'm
00:27:53.380
so I have central park back behind me here. And we just spent about an hour, a little bit of catch
00:27:57.240
up stories, a couple of fun things. But I tell you one thing on president Trump, there was no formal
00:28:03.800
declaration or indication. He sounds like somebody who's running again in 2024. That's, that's very
00:28:10.120
much the takeaway that I have in my, my conversation with them. But again, no formal announcement,
00:28:15.480
but boy, he sounds like someone who, who plans on running again.
00:28:18.720
Wow. Okay. Uh, I, I also wanted to ask you, you're in a position, you were in a position to,
00:28:25.060
you know, give advice to the president. Was there any time or any topic where he came to you for
00:28:30.640
advice, advisement? If, when, is there any time or topic where he came to you for advice on something
00:28:37.140
really huge and really crazy? And you're thinking, I can't, wow, I can't believe I'm in this position
00:28:42.160
where I get to advise the president on this. Do you have any story you can share about something like
00:28:45.940
that? Uh, I would say, you know what, on the, uh, I'd say with president Trump, uh, part of,
00:28:52.960
part of the relationship is I would always put ideas up in front of them. Um, and president Trump
00:28:57.900
to his, I think this is one of the things people don't understand, uh, or might not realize is he's
00:29:02.080
actually a very good listener. If you're someone who, if president Trump says, uh, what do you think
00:29:06.200
about saying something in this fashion or taking this course of action? He is open to people disagreeing
00:29:11.120
with him or pushing back as long as you have, uh, as long as you understand what he's trying to
00:29:15.280
accomplish. And you say, here's another way you can effectively accomplish this goal. So there are
00:29:20.700
numerous times where I would offer say, you know, an alternative direction or maybe some pushback,
00:29:25.320
uh, or work with him in plenty of times where he would just say, no, I think your answer is wrong.
00:29:29.720
Or, you know, this sounds like the stupid Washington way of doing things. Um, and you know,
00:29:33.940
you just got to smile and okay, well, I, I swing, swing and a miss on that one. Um, but, uh, no,
00:29:38.960
but he, but he is, uh, he's willing to listen. Uh, and he'll, he'll, he'll, he'll, a lot of times
00:29:43.000
he'll take your advice. I would say that the, um, I would say that probably one of the most
00:29:48.880
consequential, uh, conversations where I helped out, uh, was probably the night of January 6th.
00:29:55.540
And as I worked with president Trump and the first lady Melania Trump to craft the, the statement
00:30:00.600
that president Trump put out that evening, uh, after Joe Biden was formally announced as the, uh,
00:30:06.180
the winner of the presidential race when the electoral votes were counted.
00:30:08.960
And I think at the time I realized how big of a, uh, concerning what everything that happened
00:30:14.060
that day, uh, just as big of a, um, a momentous, uh, occasion that was at the time, I realized
00:30:19.660
a little bit, um, that we were at the, uh, that that was a, say a moment for the history
00:30:23.880
books or in president Trump's case, a moment for the three dozen post-presidency books, uh,
00:30:29.000
that seemed to be coming out every week. Um, so that, that was an example of a time where
00:30:33.080
I was kind of right there, but a lot of times on these things, you don't realize how big
00:30:37.020
it is until later. Uh, but you, you can't blink and you can't be shy. Uh, the president
00:30:42.120
Trump's orbit is not one for wallflowers. If you're in the room, you're expected to have
00:30:46.440
an opinion. And if you can't offer an opinion and backup of the reason why, then he probably
00:30:51.880
I always thought that the Trump team, uh, during the presidency was really good at connecting
00:30:57.540
with influencers. And I don't mean like what they did the other day with this guy in a dress
00:31:02.900
with long nails going to the white house, but I, I mean like actual cool people like
00:31:07.520
Dana White and the UFC fighters. I don't know if you remember the YouTubers, Nelk, who he
00:31:11.980
brought on stage. I think it was in Florida to dance with him. Who was responsible for vetting
00:31:17.500
that sort of stuff? Cause I think they did a really good job while he was in office.
00:31:21.700
Uh, you know what, there are a million different entry points kind of into the, the Trump orbit.
00:31:26.140
Sometimes something might be from the, the OPL, the office of public liaison. Uh, those might
00:31:31.480
be some of the more business people. Uh, Jared Kushner was a frequent, uh, conduit or entry point
00:31:36.820
for say kind of people in the celebrity space. Uh, but you know, if you're someone who the president
00:31:41.580
trusts and, uh, you've brought ideas to him. Uh, so for example, uh, Katrina Pearson, uh,
00:31:47.580
someone who handled a lot of our, a lot of our African-American community outreach. Um,
00:31:52.420
I think she was the one who brought to us, uh, uh, a little pump. One of the rappers that
00:31:57.660
came on stage, uh, during the president's, uh, final speech in Pennsylvania or next to
00:32:02.140
the final speech in Pennsylvania is we're flying around in, in 2020. Uh, if, if president
00:32:06.880
Trump, uh, trust your judgment and thinks that you're going to bring good people into,
00:32:10.440
into the orbit, there are a number of different entry points, but, uh, there's, there's a certain
00:32:14.400
fun factor with president Trump. That's a different people don't view him even today.
00:32:18.660
They don't view him as the politician. Uh, they view, he has his own unique brand and
00:32:22.820
that's so many people from different walks of life. I'll tell you one final thing on this
00:32:26.500
moment. I had an opportunity once it was at our, um, one of our events in Georgia where
00:32:32.120
president Trump was backstage with Herschel Walker. Uh, of course you, the all-star running
00:32:36.500
back, uh, for the, the Georgia Bulldogs in college and the New Jersey generals, uh, for
00:32:41.600
the USFL team, their president Trump owned and then the Cowboys and the, and the Vikings
00:32:45.280
and seeing those two men who've literally been friends for 35 years, just hang out and
00:32:52.180
kind of, uh, shoot the breeze, uh, with each other, uh, talking about football and different
00:32:56.340
things, two completely different walks of life and just watching the way that they, that
00:33:01.020
they would interact. It was literally as if his two college buddies getting back together
00:33:05.320
a few decades later. And, uh, people don't realize that president Trump is very approachable
00:33:10.320
and he's a, he's a human being too. Uh, and he has his friends and he's very loyal. And
00:33:15.040
so watching some of those interactions, uh, were pretty fascinating.
00:33:18.000
Jason, the last thing I want to ask you about, and you've, you've given so much great content
00:33:23.600
already. I'm not sure if you're allowed to talk about this. The leak, the silly leaks
00:33:29.000
that would come out of the, uh, the administration, the ones that were obviously, in my opinion,
00:33:35.960
I'll say we're done on purpose to get, to find out who the person was doing, to find
00:33:42.240
out which person was doing it. One of them that I remember was something about Trump watching
00:33:46.500
a gorilla channel and, and all these sorts of crazy things where I would read the article
00:33:51.800
and I'd be like, come on, like, that's something that you send out to people and you, you send
00:33:55.940
out people different things and you see which one gets out into the media. Was that a big
00:34:00.340
concern, uh, that was going on at the time? And how did that get weeded out? Is it what
00:34:05.820
I think it was, or are you even allowed to talk about that?
00:34:08.480
No, it's a, look, they, I think they call it in spy world, the blue dye test, uh, where
00:34:12.960
you go and dump in the blue dye and see where, where it comes out on the other end. I think
00:34:16.980
early in the administration, uh, that was an issue, not later in the administration. I think
00:34:20.860
by the time the president got to the last year or so of his administration,
00:34:25.380
you really had a good sense of commonality, right? I had a sense of people to come together,
00:34:29.780
kind of a, a focused, uh, point of mission. And look, a lot of it, here's one thing that
00:34:35.020
people don't realize. Sometimes these weren't necessarily intentional leaks, uh, where people
00:34:39.620
trying to quote unquote, take someone out. It'd be one person repeats it to another person
00:34:43.800
who accidentally says it too loud on a, on a Metro bus and somebody else hears it that you'd
00:34:48.720
be surprised sometimes. Or the other thing too, uh, keep in mind that you have in Washington,
00:34:53.980
you have snipers that are shooting at you from angles. You don't even know. So say for example,
00:34:59.020
Peter Navarro, uh, who was the office of, uh, in the office of trade and, uh, in the American
00:35:04.460
worker or by American higher American, rather he asked me once who had pushed a negative story on
00:35:10.180
him. I said, Peter, do you realize that the entire country of China who you're pushing for tariffs on
00:35:16.460
has a reason to be upset with you? Literally a country of 1.4 billion people, uh, who are that
00:35:22.040
motivated? And if you have that country like that, of course they have business interests here.
00:35:26.000
There are corporations you've never even heard of Peter who, uh, who are going to look to try to,
00:35:30.620
uh, push negative stories on you or try to beat you up just because of a business interest or some
00:35:35.420
kind. And so, uh, again, that wasn't, uh, you know, Peter was asking me if, was there someone else
00:35:39.920
in the administration trying to take aim at them? I go, Peter, you have entire countries who are upset
00:35:44.360
with you. Um, don't think of it's, you know, some jabroni, uh, deputy assistant secretary
00:35:49.300
to the nobody down in the basement. Uh, it could be, you know, a big powerful player with billions
00:35:54.080
of capital behind them. It's crazy. The stuff you must've had to deal with. And, uh, I think you
00:35:59.780
guys did a great job with that not to be a, you know, a bud kisser, but like, like I said, with the,
00:36:04.460
the influencers and just the, the whole feel of it, I think was just what so many people latched onto
00:36:12.220
whether it was Dana White, YouTube influencers, UFC fighters who were against communism, that sort of
00:36:17.920
thing. Thanks a lot, Jason. Thanks for the inside information and all the stuff on Getter. Is there
00:36:22.320
anything else you want to say before we let you go? No, thank you very much. Appreciate your being
00:36:26.640
on Getter. Look forward to continuing to push and promote what you guys are doing. Some exciting new
00:36:30.940
features that are coming soon. Uh, look forward to also, uh, now that, uh, um, uh, now that Americans
00:36:37.700
are being allowed back into Canada, uh, or at least that's what the announcement I saw this week,
00:36:42.020
I hope to be up to, to visit soon. Uh, we have a lot of great supporters, a lot of great allies,
00:36:46.580
um, in Canada. In fact, one of my favorite, uh, mission is great, uh, which is a great Getter
00:36:51.940
account. Uh, my friend Doug, uh, he's a good follow on Getter. Uh, so we have, we have some,
00:36:56.740
uh, uh, some really cool Canadian supporters, uh, and just, uh, keep on growing and expanding.
00:37:02.060
Yeah. If you come to Toronto, come to the studio, we'll give you all the free snacks that Rebel News
00:37:06.400
has to offer. It's a big selling point of this office. Thanks a lot, Jason. Go to Getter.com,
00:37:11.100
you guys. And of course, read his article that we mentioned there in Washington Times.