Rebel News Podcast - ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ Maxime Bernier on the cult of diversity

00:00:00.000 that the science is on our side, the truth, the facts. So we just have to explain that to the

00:00:07.040 population. And that's why I believe that people against lockdowns, that support will grow.

00:00:16.020 We just need more time. And I believe that, you know, there's a common sense out there.

00:00:21.320 Maybe the common sense is not that common these days, but it will become the real common sense.

00:00:27.720 And people understand that lockdowns or no lockdowns, there's no difference. We will have to

00:00:34.360 live with that virus. And that's the fact.

00:00:46.760 Maxi Bernier, how are you? Nice to see you. Thanks for coming in.

00:00:49.440 Thank you very much. I'm very pleased to be with you.

00:00:51.860 I've interviewed you a couple of times at different protests. It's nice to have somebody

00:00:55.480 come into the studio. First thing I want to get right into is the federal mandate of vaccine

00:01:01.480 passports. We know Quebec is implementing them very soon. Can I get your overall thoughts on this

00:01:06.760 and tell me, should we have seen this coming? Was this inevitable? How do you feel about all this?

00:01:12.240 Yeah. First, you know, the Quebec government, you're absolutely right. They will impose a vaccine

00:01:18.040 passport the 1st of September. So that will create two classes of citizens, the vaccinated ones and the

00:01:27.080 unvaccinated ones. And for us, it's not a society that we want to live in. That's discrimination.

00:01:36.600 That's kind of a communist system. And actually, some people will have some privileges and others

00:01:46.440 won't. So in Quebec, they said that if you want to go to a restaurant or a baseball game, you will have

00:01:54.600 to have your two shots of the vaccine and you'll have to show your vaccine passport. So it's a kind of a

00:02:03.000 show me your paper society. We are against that. We are the only national political party against the

00:02:09.960 vaccine passport, against lockdowns. And it's not new for us. I believe in freedom and personal

00:02:16.440 responsibility. So, and that's illegal. That will be, we will fight that. And our goal is to have more

00:02:26.120 people. Actually, we will have a big event in Montreal soon against that vaccine passport. And I believe that

00:02:35.160 more and more people will be on our side because they understand that when they, they are, the goal is to

00:02:41.640 divide the population. And when you're doing that, you know, it's not, you're not in a democratic country

00:02:48.520 anymore. So are we have the rights, the constitutional rights to do what we want to do. And I'm saying no

00:02:55.320 to vaccine passport, no to mask mandate, no to lockdowns. And actually in the next federal election

00:03:03.560 that may be called soon, we will have a platform that is speaking to Canadians and based on strong

00:03:12.360 freedoms principles. Now, in places like Florida, where they've made legislation against mandates,

00:03:19.080 Ted Cruz is trying to make a federal bill there. Doug Ford has said in Ontario that business owners

00:03:25.800 can make vaccine passports required if they want. They can use a federal one if they want. Would you be

00:03:30.920 in favor of making a ban on mask mandates or vaccine passport mandates? Or would you still want to leave

00:03:38.280 it up to businesses to decide? No, no. I really looked at what the governor of Florida did, DeSantis,

00:03:46.920 and that must be a ban. The private business must not have the right to ask somebody to show their

00:03:55.960 private health information. You know, that's private. And actually it won't change anything because we know

00:04:03.480 now with the science that, you know, if you have the two shots of the vaccine, you can have COVID-19

00:04:12.200 and you can also spread COVID-19. So what is the point of having that vaccine passport if everybody

00:04:20.360 can spread the virus? There's no logic there. And actually we don't want private businesses

00:04:29.480 to impose a vaccine passport. It must be like in Florida right now. The governor said, you know,

00:04:36.200 you don't have the right to do that. And it is illegal in Florida if you ask your customers,

00:04:43.720 your clients, to show their private health information. And we know now in schools they're

00:04:50.120 sending the kids back with masks. I think it's kindergarten to grade 12. So basically everybody.

00:04:55.400 Do you have thoughts on this? Do you think that we should, I mean, admittedly, of course, the

00:05:01.400 transmission level and the death rate for children is extremely low. I would advocate that they don't

00:05:07.160 even need vaccines, but that's just my opinion. Do you have an opinion on that? Would that be something

00:05:12.920 you would want to put a stop to if you were in charge as well? Yeah, I'm not a medical expert,

00:05:17.800 but what I know, I'm looking at the statistics and the data. After more than one year, we have

00:05:24.440 all that information. And I'm looking at the statistic coming from Statistics Canada. And if

00:05:29.960 you're under 18 years old, you have more chances of dying from the seasonal flu than from COVID-19.

00:05:38.120 So that's why also I decided myself not to have the vaccine because I'm 58, I'm in shape. But the most

00:05:46.840 important, my chances of dying from COVID-19, if I have COVID, it's only 0.5%. So I have 99.5%

00:06:00.040 chances of surviving from COVID-19. That's why I decided not to take that vaccine. But that being

00:06:07.560 said, younger people that don't have any comorbidities have a low risk of dying from COVID-19

00:06:17.080 in line with the statistics. And also, they cannot transmit, they cannot spread the virus like older

00:06:27.320 people. So that's why I believe that kids must be able to go to school in person without a mask

00:06:35.080 mandate. I agree. And another thing I wanted to ask you was, do you think the federal government should

00:06:41.640 be promoting healthiness more, more physical activity? I mean, from what we've seen to them,

00:06:46.280 it's stay away from each other. And there's been no promotion of going outside and getting physical

00:06:52.600 activity, getting exercise in when outside is the safest place from the virus. I think you will

00:06:58.600 not find a study that says more than 0.1% of outdoor transmissions are responsible for COVID

00:07:05.640 infections. So would you be in favor of some sort of program or just some sort of,

00:07:10.600 you know, ad campaign promoting more healthiness? Because as you said, there's so many comorbidities.

00:07:15.880 I know in the US, it's an average of four per person that dies. Obesity, people who are

00:07:21.640 very obese are the ones that are in hospital the most. Would you be in favor of promoting

00:07:26.040 more healthy alternatives? Absolutely. You know, it's a little bit bizarre that during COVID-19,

00:07:34.840 provincial governments decided to close gyms. And these gyms must be open. And actually,

00:07:42.760 people must be able to do some sport. Yes, you need to eat well, do some sport,

00:07:48.440 support, manage your stress. But yeah, I believe that we must do that instead of locking down the

00:07:57.080 populations. You know, the cure is worse than the disease right now. And we have the statistic,

00:08:04.520 we have the data. So that's why, you know, I'm saying when I'm doing rallies that the science is on

00:08:11.480 our side, the truth, the facts. So we just have to explain that to the population. And that's why I

00:08:18.200 believe that people against lockdowns, that support will grow. We just need more time. And I believe

00:08:28.440 that, you know, there's a common sense out there. Maybe the common sense is not that common these days,

00:08:35.480 but it will become the real common sense. And people understand that lockdowns or no lockdowns,

00:08:40.840 there's no difference. We will have to live with that virus. And that's the fact. COVID-19 is there.

00:08:52.760 So, but at the same time, we need to protect the older and the most vulnerable. We didn't do that.

00:08:59.080 80% of the deaths in Canada are older people with comorbidities. So that's the most important.

00:09:07.800 I know that they're pushing the vaccine for everybody. But on that, we believe that every

00:09:12.760 Canadian must be able to decide freedom, freedom of choice, must be able to decide if they want

00:09:17.880 the vaccine or not with the right information, informed consent. That's very important. So that's

00:09:24.440 our position. And I'm looking forward to debates against the other establishment leaders during

00:09:30.840 that campaign, because I believe that I will be on the stage and that will be very different because

00:09:39.400 you will have the People's Party of Canada, myself, and all the other establishment politicians

00:09:46.120 that have the same point of view on COVID-19, lockdowns, vaccine passport. We can go on, you know,

00:09:54.120 climate change. So we'll have a very distinct position on every important issues. And that will

00:10:02.600 help us because the big challenge that we have as a new political party, it's to be known. I understand

00:10:10.600 that about maybe 50% of the population don't know that we exist. So me being part of the national

00:10:17.320 debates during the campaign will help to promote our party. And I believe that we'll do very well.

00:10:23.400 I want to talk to you about those debates. I'm glad you brought it up. Last time we saw you on the

00:10:28.040 debate stage, most of the attacks, specifically I remember from Jagmeet Singh, were calling you racist

00:10:34.360 and all these other things. Do you predict that will happen again? Or do you think that,

00:10:38.280 I think that argument pretty much sets sail with everything that happens from the last election

00:10:43.320 until now? Do you expect that? What kind of attacks do you expect? Or do you maybe expect a friendlier

00:10:49.320 Jagmeet and Justin Trudeau? No, I expect they will attack us. I hope they will do that on our policies.

00:10:56.680 That's the most important. But they cannot say that this party or I'm personally a racist because it's not

00:11:04.840 true. And you just have to read our platform. And actually I'm suing right now Kinsella that worked

00:11:12.040 with the Conservative Party of Canada. It has been paid $22,000 a month to discreet our party. And I'm

00:11:18.840 suing him. We'll have our judgment before the end of this month. And I can tell you that I will win that

00:11:25.960 case and that will be behind. Actually, our opponent tried that. And that was some kind of efficient at

00:11:34.520 the last campaign. But now people know more about the PPC. And I'm saying to people, go on our website

00:11:40.280 and read our platform on every subject. And you see that we are for Canadian first, all Canadians. We don't

00:11:47.880 do any identity politics or racial politics or pandering to special interests groups. We are

00:11:55.320 doing politics for all Canadians and we are putting this country first. That's why I call the People's

00:12:00.200 Party of Canada a smart populist party. And I believe and I hope that the attacks will be on our platform.

00:12:08.840 And I'm ready for that. Now, can you explain to people, that was a big story last year with the,

00:12:14.680 I don't want to say anything that might be incorrect. Do you want to explain to people what

00:12:19.400 exactly happened? Kinsella was paid or paid somebody else to spread these rumors about you? Do you want

00:12:26.280 to let everybody know who might not be familiar with that? Yeah. So Kinsella is a political activist

00:12:32.120 here in Toronto. And before the last election, before 2019, the Conservative Party of Canada

00:12:39.880 hired him and the party, the Conservative Party paid him $22,000 a month to discredit us, to discredit our

00:12:49.160 party. And his goal was to do fake news about us and saying that we are racist because of our position

00:12:58.200 on immigration. Our position on immigration, it's simple. We want to have more skilled immigrants and

00:13:05.080 fewer immigrants on the total. So 150,000 a year. We don't believe in mass immigration. And now that's

00:13:13.240 what we have here in Canada, mass immigration. For Trudeau, we will have 400,000 immigrants this year.

00:13:20.280 And the huge majority of them are coming on the reunification of family and refugees. We want more

00:13:26.520 people that will come here, that they will have a job and they will be able to integrate our society,

00:13:32.760 but fewer immigrants, 150. So that's our position. That was our position at the last election. That's

00:13:39.160 our position for this election. That's the same platform on immigration. So Kinsella used that and

00:13:47.640 discredit us. And he was saying, oh, because we want fewer immigrants, we may be a racist party,

00:13:54.920 but we're not. I can tell you that we had people from different faiths that were running for us.

00:14:01.160 Jewish, Muslim people, black people, white people, everybody. And because we don't do any identity

00:14:09.080 politics and these people believed in our party. So I was proud with our candidates. And I can tell you

00:14:17.080 that this time we are looking for a full slate of candidates. So there's 338 writings in this country.

00:14:24.760 We want to have 338 candidates because we want to give the opportunity to every single Canadian to be

00:14:33.080 able to vote for their values, to be able to vote for the PPC. We believe in individual freedom,

00:14:38.760 personal responsibility, respect and fairness, and we are doing politics differently. So if they're tired

00:14:45.800 of all the other options, they can come on our side and they will come. So what happened with the

00:14:53.640 Conservative Party of Canada and that guy Kinsella, they were afraid of us because we were and we are

00:15:00.600 true conservative party. We believe in real conservative values, freedom of speech, freedom of

00:15:06.920 assembly, individual freedom, a smaller government that will respect the constitution, that will respect

00:15:12.360 taxpayers, more autonomy to provinces. And they were afraid of our platform. So they wanted to discredit

00:15:20.040 us and they use Kinsella to do it. But that's why I'm suing him. And I can tell you that I will win that.

00:15:27.880 So all that racist narrative that the Conservative Party of Canada use against us won't be efficient. I will

00:15:36.600 have a judgment that will win that case and that's behind us. But actually it's not the first time

00:15:42.040 when you have a new political party that your opponents are trying that card. I spoke with

00:15:47.400 Preston Manning just after the last election in 2019 and he told me, Maxime, it's too bad what your

00:15:53.960 opponents and the Conservative Party of Canada did to you. That was not true. But actually they did the same

00:15:59.880 thing to me as the leader of the Reform Party. The first election when I started the Reform Party of

00:16:05.480 Canada. They were saying that my party is a racist party. But I can tell you that they were not able

00:16:12.920 to do the same thing at the second election because that was not true. So what he told me in 2019, he

00:16:18.360 said that was a tough election for you because of your opponents. They didn't want to have a discussion

00:16:23.160 on your platforms. They discredited you. But the next election, it won't happen because it's not true.

00:16:28.920 Like it didn't happen with the Reform Party at the second election. And I believe that. So that's why

00:16:34.120 I'm waiting for that election to be called. And I can tell you that I will travel across the country,

00:16:41.320 speak on our platform and will grow our support. That would be a positive campaign for us on ideas.

00:16:48.280 Yeah, I think when that news came out, a lot of people who were Conservative voters may have,

00:16:53.400 that was probably the start of losing a little bit of faith. We fast forward this many years forward,

00:16:58.200 and now I don't see the Conservative Party, you know, speaking up against lockdowns, freedom of

00:17:02.840 speech, the whole internet censorship bill, which I want to get to. But I want to ask you about the

00:17:07.720 immigration policy. You were the only party who suggested a reduction in immigration. Why do you

00:17:14.920 think the other parties are so stringent? Even the Conservative Party, they don't want to talk about

00:17:19.240 it. They just want to quietly keep it the same. They don't want to reduce it at all. Why do you think all

00:17:23.400 the other parties completely agree on this topic? Why do they want that level? Is there math behind

00:17:29.880 this? Is it to increase the population, to increase the economy? What do you think it is?

00:17:34.440 But for them, it's political. They are doing that to pander to these immigrants. They want to have the

00:17:40.760 support. So when you increase the number of immigrants coming under re-unification of family,

00:17:45.880 re-unification of family, it's skilled immigrants that is coming here because an entrepreneur was not

00:17:52.600 able to find a Canadian for that job. And he was allowed to go and find for an immigrant to do it.

00:17:59.880 So we call that an economic immigrant, a skilled immigrant that is coming here. He has the right

00:18:05.880 or she has the right to ask for her mom or dad, uncle to come here. And that's under re-unification of

00:18:14.520 family. So our immigration policy must be based on the need of our economic needs. And that's the most

00:18:22.920 important. So that's not that. So all these people are coming. So why do they want always more and more,

00:18:28.840 the Conservatives, the Liberals, the NDP? Because they want to vote. It's a question of vote and support.

00:18:34.840 And a lot of immigrants are asking for having their parents with them here in Canada. And they don't

00:18:45.240 have a job when they're coming here. That's a cost for the society. So they're doing that to pender

00:18:50.600 and to have votes. And they're not looking at the long-term impact in this country. So we love this

00:18:57.000 country. We like this country. And I hope this country will stay like that. I understand that it's a

00:19:01.720 diverse country. And that's great. The culture of Quebec is not the same of the culture in Alberta.

00:19:11.400 So yes. And that's why we want to keep that country like that in 25 years. That's why we need to have

00:19:19.400 a debate on immigration. Now it's mass immigration. And Trudeau said that our country is the last

00:19:26.600 post-national country with no core identity. I don't believe that. I'm proud to be Canadian.

00:19:32.680 I was the first of July in Ottawa. I was the only leader of a national party to celebrate our country,

00:19:38.680 to celebrate our culture, to celebrate our heritage. And I'm a proud Canadian. And it's too bad that the

00:19:46.520 other leaders didn't want to celebrate our country, our country history. So yes, in the past,

00:19:53.480 we did some bad things. But we must be proud of who we are as Canadians. And so the immigration policy

00:20:01.720 is there to buy votes, mass immigration. And it's always more and more diversity. Like Trudeau

00:20:11.240 liked to say, he believed in the cult of diversity. More and more and more diversity.

00:20:18.360 I'm not against diversity. I'm not against diversity. I'm against always more people,

00:20:23.160 always more diversity. This country is a diverse country. Let's celebrate it. But I don't want the

00:20:28.520 government to use my money to celebrate the Chinese New Year. If the Canadian Chinese community want to

00:20:37.480 do it, if they want to do it, they can do it without government money. And you know, I want the government

00:20:43.800 to promote what unites us, not what divides us. So that's the very important difference with us and

00:20:50.840 all the other establishment political parties. So that being said, they all want more. And I believe

00:20:57.800 that the first thing is they don't want to have the debate about our country. They want to please

00:21:03.560 some immigrants community. And they're doing that to pander and to buy votes. We don't do that,

00:21:09.720 like I said in the beginning. For me, when I'm speaking with somebody, and I think you can see

00:21:14.520 a video of that on the internet, I was speaking with a Canadian from Chinese origin. And I told her,

00:21:21.320 for me, you're not a Chinese Canadian. You're a Canadian. That's it. And the lady said, yes,

00:21:27.080 I came here because I wanted more freedom. And I'm a Canadian and I'm a proud Canadian. So for me,

00:21:34.440 you're not a Chinese Canadian or Pakistanis Canadian, you're a Canadian. And we don't do any

00:21:40.200 discrimination. But they're doing that to buy votes. For example, the Trudeau government just

00:21:48.920 implemented a new program for Black entrepreneurs, only Black entrepreneurs. That's discrimination.

00:21:56.040 We will abolish that program. And if we want to have a program on entrepreneurs,

00:22:01.560 it would be for every entrepreneurs. But they're doing that. They're putting you in a little box.

00:22:07.080 You're Black. We're going to have a program for you. You're white. You must be ashamed of you. You

00:22:13.480 have a lot of privileges. Or you're Muslim. For me, it's not important. You are a person. You're a

00:22:23.000 Canadian. So we have policies for you. We want pander. And I'm doing the same thing. I was in Northern

00:22:29.640 Ontario. And I had a question from a journalist over there. What your party will do for Northern

00:22:35.560 Ontario? I said, nothing special. Nothing special. I'm not pandering to your region. I won't pander to

00:22:44.120 region. We have the best policies. We have a vision for this country based on freedom, personal

00:22:49.560 responsibility, fairness, and respect. And all my policies will be good for your region. So that's

00:22:57.560 another way to do politics. That's why I'm saying we are doing politics differently. And on immigration,

00:23:04.280 that's another example. They are pandering. They want to have votes. But I can tell you a lot of

00:23:10.360 immigrants are on our side also. They're saying, you know, I came here on the rules and I'm very proud.

00:23:16.760 It was a little bit tough for me to be a Canadian. Now you open the doors to everybody. I don't like that.

00:23:23.240 So we have support from new Canadians on our immigration policy because they came here to

00:23:29.320 celebrate our freedom and they wanted to be part of our country. And they had to follow some rules to

00:23:39.160 be able to be Canadian. So now that's not the case. Everybody will come. And it's always more and more.

00:23:47.000 So we have support from immigration community on our immigration policy. And actually in Quebec,

00:23:53.880 the premier of Quebec, Mr. Legault, did that debate at the last campaign. And he said, I want 20% fewer

00:24:00.280 immigrants. Nobody said that he was a racist. Nobody said that. And he was able to win that election.

00:24:09.320 But we started that debate in Canada at the last election. And that would be part of our platform

00:24:15.000 for this election also. And I understand that we can have more and more support. We just need to be

00:24:20.440 out there and to explain our policies. That's why I'm saying we are a smart populist party, because I

00:24:26.760 don't appeal to your emotion as a voter. I'm appealing to your reason, to your intelligence. And so take the time

00:24:34.520 to read our platform because I believe that you are an intelligent person. And if you read it and like

00:24:40.120 it, I hope you support us. If you don't like it, please don't vote for us. Now you mentioned China.

00:24:46.360 I feel like Canada and the government has a really strange relationship with China. Even in the United

00:24:51.560 States, you'll hear Biden discredit communism and socialism. Now his relationship with China is a

00:24:57.160 whole different thing. But Aaron O'Toole and the Conservative Party, they talked a lot. And when he was running for

00:25:02.360 the Conservative leader, they talked a lot of anti-China rhetoric. Now, I believe to this day, they've taken

00:25:08.680 that platform off of their website. What would you do differently in terms of relationship with China,

00:25:14.360 you know, to make our dollar stronger, to make our trade stronger? Would you do anything differently other than

00:25:19.640 just opposing them? Would you oppose them? How do you feel about it? We will oppose them. Absolutely. You're right about

00:25:25.960 that. They must not be able to buy our natural resources. And at the same time also, the influence

00:25:34.680 of China is everywhere. I'll give you an example. In a university in Alberta, they had a discussion at

00:25:43.880 the board level about the influence of China here in Canada. And one of the board members said that we

00:25:51.800 must ask our professor to do a study about the influence of China and having more data, more

00:25:57.720 factual data. And the answer of the board was no. Why? Because they received funding from the Chinese

00:26:05.560 Communist Party. So we must stop that. That must be illegal. So it's everywhere. And I believe in a free

00:26:13.400 market. I believe in democracy. And we must fight communism. We must. And right now, Trudeau is helping

00:26:21.240 China a little bit. You know, when you have the Chinese Communist Army that is in Canada to do some

00:26:28.120 training to, you know, it's not our job to train the Communist Party of China to be more efficient.

00:26:35.320 So we'll stop all that. And we have a strong platform on China and to promote Canadian sovereignty.

00:26:43.080 That's why I'm saying we are putting our country first. You know, this government is sending money to a

00:26:48.360 Chinese development bank. So helping China to be more efficient to give money to African countries.

00:26:59.400 So when they're doing that, you know, it's not free. There's nothing like a free lunch. So our country

00:27:08.040 is helping China to have more influence in Africa. It's basically helping colonization.

00:27:13.960 Yeah. So we'll cut that funding. We'll cut the funding. We're giving money to African countries

00:27:19.720 to fight climate change. Do you really believe that the money is going there? I don't believe

00:27:24.600 that. So that's why when I'm saying we're going to put our country first, our sovereignty first,

00:27:29.960 we're going to cut foreign aid and we'll bring back that money here in Canada. And we'll do everything

00:27:35.880 to stop the Chinese, the influence of the Chinese Communist Party here in our country.

00:27:44.120 I want to talk more about some of the other politicians that are anti-lockdown that have

00:27:48.920 showed up to the same protests that you have. There's Randy Hillier. There's Derek Sloan.

00:27:54.520 There's Jim and Belinda Karahelios. But they've all, they start, Hillier's independent. Derek Sloan may

00:28:00.360 or may not be starting his own party. Karahelios have their own party. Why, what do you think is the

00:28:05.480 hesitancy to all come under the same umbrella? I mean, if we're all starting new parties,

00:28:10.120 the newest party is the PPC. Whether you completely agree with them or not, it seems they would much

00:28:16.760 rather fall under than the PPC than the Conservatives that they're no longer welcome in. Why do you think

00:28:21.720 there's a hesitancy for everybody to come together? And do you think that's part of the bigger problem?

00:28:26.680 But first for Randy Hillier, I must admit that his daughter, she's running for us. She's a

00:28:33.720 candidate for the PPC. So I'm very pleased with that. And Randy is helping me also here in Ontario.

00:28:40.280 And I must thank him because Randy was the first one. He's the one who started and the lockdown

00:28:46.280 national caucus. He called me in Montreal and in the beginning of all that pandemic. And he said,

00:28:52.200 Maxime, I'm against that. You want to come under the same umbrella ending the lockdowns

00:28:58.920 national caucus. Who's all in that? Yourself, Randy, Derek Sloan?

00:29:02.440 Derek Sloan, Randy, myself. Also, there's other provincial politicians in Alberta and also some

00:29:12.280 mayor all across the country. And Randy created that and thanks for him on that. And Randy, as you know,

00:29:21.640 is a provincial politician here in Ontario. I don't know what he will do at the next provincial election,

00:29:28.280 but I believe that he won't run at this federal election. But I'm very pleased to have the support

00:29:34.520 of his daughters and he will help us. He will help the PPC. So concerning Derek, you're right. I don't

00:29:40.920 know if he will create a party or not. I told him that it will come in our party. We can have a

00:29:46.120 discussion about the euro in the party. And he said, no, we never had that discussion. So I don't know what

00:29:52.920 he will do, but I don't see a need for a new political party only on ending the lockdowns. When

00:30:00.120 we at the PPC, we have that policy, we created that party based on freedom. So for us, it was natural to

00:30:07.240 be against these draconian lockdowns in the beginning. And we have a comprehensive platform on a lot of very

00:30:15.320 important issues that the main establishment politicians don't want to discuss, like ending

00:30:23.800 the Paris Accord, no carbon tax, changing the equalization formula to be less generous and

00:30:29.640 fair for every province. Immigration, we just had a discussion about that, balancing the budget in

00:30:37.960 one term. O'Toole said that he will balance the budget in 10 years. He said that, but at the same time,

00:30:43.400 he's asking for a four years mandate. So he is saying this, the same thing that Trudeau is saying

00:30:49.240 right now. He won't balance the budget. So we're saying that we're going to cut all the fundings for

00:30:54.440 COVID-19 and that's important and foreign aid, like I said. So answering your question,

00:30:59.960 we have a comprehensive platform. We are the only political party against these lockdowns since the

00:31:06.200 beginning. So I hope that these other politicians that want to run at the federal level will come

00:31:13.320 with us, but we'll see. I cannot force anybody. I believe in freedom. I believe everybody is

00:31:18.840 responsible, but I can tell you that that would be a strong policy that will push forward during this

00:31:27.560 election against lockdowns, against vaccine passport for more freedom and against authoritarian governments.

00:31:34.360 Yeah. I think if either, if you're a PPC supporter or not, if all those people came under the same

00:31:40.520 umbrella, it would be a much stronger platform. And I would encourage, if they want to win,

00:31:45.880 I would encourage them to all come together. So I'm a little bit confused as why some of those

00:31:49.480 politicians that I named don't do that, but that's not up for me to decide. You were obviously made a

00:31:55.000 smart move. I think going to all these anti-lockdown protests. One of the first people is you mentioned

00:32:00.120 with Randy Hillier and then Derek Sloan and the other ones followed. How do you feel about the

00:32:04.920 image that's been painted of them and the image that is the reality? Because I see two sides to it.

00:32:10.200 You've got Mayor Nenshi of Calgary and Jagmeet Singh saying the racist rallies, which we did plenty of

00:32:16.840 videos about here. We did one count one time, just me and my cameraman. We were the only white people in

00:32:22.680 a crowd of 50. So it was a crazy statement for them to make. And then on the other hand, you've got

00:32:28.360 some of these anti-lockdown groups with leaders that are very suspect. I mean, you've got the one

00:32:33.480 guy from the group, The Line, you've got the hugs over mass people, and they're not the most honest

00:32:39.080 people. So where do you see the balance between, you know, these are all racist and these are all the

00:32:44.120 best people, freedom-loving people in the world? Is there a balance we can come to there just maybe on

00:32:48.440 the belief system? Yeah. First, you know, Jagmeet is doing that because he doesn't want to have a

00:32:55.080 real discussion on the issue. So saying that everybody is racist and white supremacist, it's

00:33:00.680 easy. But I believe the population, when they look at actually what you're doing here, you're there,

00:33:09.240 we have some visual of these rallies. So it's not only white people, it's people from different

00:33:15.320 ethnicity. And so, and that's, you know, they try to discredit us and the anti-lockdown movement,

00:33:25.800 but they won't be successful. I remember when Randy started that, and we did our first rally

00:33:31.880 here in front of the provincial legislature in Toronto, in a park, it was raining. And I think if

00:33:37.720 we had 20%, that was the maximum. But that movement is growing. And now when we do a rally,

00:33:44.280 we will have a rally soon in Montreal for anti-vaccine passport. I believe that we'll have a lot of

00:33:52.760 people. So that movement is growing. They cannot discredit us. And people, you know, are looking at us

00:33:59.000 and they know that we want to have that debate. We want to have that discussion. So, and that's why

00:34:05.640 I said, it's important to vote for your values because we need, I believe that Canadians need our

00:34:13.720 voice and I need their support. I need their vote because we need to have that voice, that freedom

00:34:19.800 voice in Ottawa, in parliament. And we will after this election, and we'll be able to use all the

00:34:26.200 parliamentary tools to debate our ideas, parliamentary commissions, question period. So that would be

00:34:35.000 important. And I think people realize that all the other parties are the same on a lot of issues,

00:34:40.040 including these ending the lockdowns. So if you want a real debate, and we believe that we have the

00:34:45.960 science on our side right now, everything that they did was not based on science. And so it was based on

00:34:52.200 polling and be sure that the population would be in compliance. And so they changes the rule all the

00:34:58.440 time. So that being said, I believe that we have a great opportunity and all these people will come.

00:35:05.880 And if they want to vote for their values, we at the PPC will surprise a lot of Canadians and will do

00:35:13.160 way better than we did at the last election. I think the last thing I want to ask you, Maxime,

00:35:17.720 we talked about the criticisms and the fake news with the lawsuit you're involved in. The new thing

00:35:23.880 now with the Chris Sky group is saying you're actually a globalist. Do you want to address that

00:35:29.400 at all? Would you rather bury all that stuff and forget about it? Do you have anything to say about

00:35:33.480 that? But that's not true. I don't know why Chris is saying that. If you look at what I did when I was

00:35:40.600 a minister and before politics and after politics, and if you look at our platform, I don't want to spend

00:35:46.760 five minutes to say to everybody that I'm not a globalist. That's a factual thing. And they're doing

00:35:53.080 that to discredit myself. But if you want to be in politics, be a candidate. Be a candidate for the

00:36:02.360 Liberals or another party and we'll have the debate. But that is not true, not based on facts. And I'm very

00:36:09.240 confident that people understand that we are the only national political party that is putting our country

00:36:15.800 first against globalists, against the UN. You know, we're not for the UN compact on migration.

00:36:21.560 We don't believe that everybody has the right to come to Canada. No, it's a privilege to be Canadian.

00:36:27.960 And we won't sign the Paris Accord. So all our policies are for more sovereignty for our country.

00:36:35.160 And when he's saying that, give me a fact. He said that I was with Soros. Show me a photo of me with

00:36:41.000 Soros. I don't know that guy. You know, I didn't have any meeting with him. I know him because he's a

00:36:47.320 public figure, but I never met him. I didn't know him personally. And you won't find any photo with me

00:36:54.280 with him. So that's only, sorry about that, but BS to discredit us. But like I said, I believe people

00:37:01.480 are intelligent. They will go on the website. They will look at what I did in politics. They will find

00:37:06.040 that it's not true and they will come and support us. I appreciate all your time today. And I encourage

00:37:11.720 all the leaders, of course, to come in and speak with us, right from Annamie Paul to Justin Trudeau.

00:37:17.080 Is there anything else you want to say to the audience before we let you go?

00:37:19.880 Well, I want to thank you very much for giving me this opportunity. And I'm asking that your people,

00:37:24.200 if you want to know more about the People's Party of Canada, don't hesitate. Go on our website,

00:37:28.680 People's Party of Canada, and read our platform and you'll see. And I'm asking you to vote in line

00:37:35.160 with your values. And if you're doing that, I believe that you will be able to support the

00:37:40.120 People's Party of Canada. Thank you. Thanks a lot, Maxime. If you guys want to watch this ad

00:37:45.080 free, go to rebelnewsplus.com. We had a great time here. I'm thankful for you to come in. It's great

00:37:50.360 to have people come into the studio. You know, we're supposed to be six feet apart at all times,

00:37:54.520 not shaking hands, no hugging as David Benzies found out. So I appreciate it. Thanks a lot for

00:38:00.200 watching, guys. We'll see you next time.

Rebel News Podcast - August 20, 2021

ANDREW CHAPADOS ｜ Maxime Bernier on the cult of diversity

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