Rebel News Podcast - Best of 2020： China Coverage

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00:01:20.160 Tonight, the best of Rebel News is China coverage. It's a year in review. This is the Ezra LeVant Show.

00:01:37.920 It's fascinating to watch Hollywood movies and see who the enemy du jour is during the Cold War. Of course,

00:02:05.440 it was the Soviets who were mocked, but by the end of the Cold War, the media sort of turned

00:02:09.520 against America and made Americans the enemy in American movies. Now, you can't make a movie that

00:02:18.120 criticizes China. Even, for example, the famous film Top Gun would change little symbols that were too

00:02:25.000 critical of communist China. Subtle things. Great books where China was the enemy are rewritten where

00:02:31.960 China's the hero. And Disney, in fact, filmed its latest blockbuster, Mulan, in China, not just anywhere,

00:02:39.380 but in the province of Xinjiang, where the Uyghurs are in mass concentration camps. Incredibly, in that film,

00:02:46.200 Disney gives a shout-out, a credit, to the secret police in Xinjiang. How things have changed, and I tell you that

00:02:53.700 to explain why the mainstream media does not properly cover China, because they're all seeking

00:03:00.920 to win China's favor to get access to that massive market. Disney is the worst, but every entertainment

00:03:07.980 studio is, every sports franchise is. I can tell you we have no ambitions to get into the China market,

00:03:15.160 which is why we can speak so candidly about China, its dictatorship, the Communist Party there, and the

00:03:23.160 coronavirus that emanated from Wuhan. Tonight, the best of Rebel News' coverage of China.

00:03:31.800 I watch CNN, I watch Fox, I watch CBS, and in this case, there's a lot of things not being said.

00:03:36.440 It almost certainly is a recombination event that was laboratory-driven.

00:03:54.660 This is just the essential nature of Chinese communism. Chinese communism is evil.

00:04:01.760 Every person at harm is directly attributable to the Chinese Communist Party.

00:04:06.440 Absolutely riveting. A new documentary released just last night, tracking down the origin of

00:04:32.220 Wuhan coronavirus. You might have recognized one of those folks there, our friend Gordon Chang.

00:04:39.580 The film was produced and broadcast by Epoch Times, which is a newspaper website, both published in the

00:04:46.740 Chinese language and in English, and it has become my personal source of information for what's really

00:04:54.460 going on in China. There's so much inaccuracies being reported by the Western media, either by accident or

00:05:03.100 because they negligently rebroadcast, without skepticism or corroboration, propaganda from Chinese state media.

00:05:12.460 The Epoch Times, on the other hand, has dissident sources within communist China, and of course has great

00:05:20.620 journalists outside of them. And I'm delighted to bring you right now an interview with the host, narrator, and lead

00:05:28.460 investigative journalist behind this documentary. He joins us via Skype from Queens, New York, Joshua

00:05:34.860 Philip of Epoch Times. Joshua, what a pleasure to meet you.

00:05:38.140 Hey, real pleasure being here. Some interesting stuff to talk about.

00:05:41.740 That's for sure. You know, I recently came across a study by two scholars, two academics in Wuhan, who published a paper

00:05:50.540 that was then deleted, claiming that the virus was spread in Wuhan, not from a bat in the seafood market, but rather from the

00:06:02.620 virus labs that the Communist Party has in Wuhan, I found that compelling. Your documentary goes a little bit further.

00:06:12.940 Why don't you tell us the thesis of your documentary? And by the way, we've embedded it on our website.

00:06:18.940 People can watch it in full. Go ahead, Joshua.

00:06:21.900 Right. So, of course, we all heard the narrative that this virus started in this Wuhan seafood market, this wet market.

00:06:29.980 That narrative, that entire narrative is dead. The Chinese Communist Party lied to the world when

00:06:37.180 they told them that. Patient Zero, at least the known one, had no connection whatsoever to that seafood

00:06:43.260 market. The Chinese Communist Party itself has stopped using that narrative. And somehow the whole world has

00:06:50.460 just been satisfied, at least to the government level, it seems, has just been satisfied of being lied to

00:06:56.300 with not knowing what the origin was or what the intermediary species was, if there even was one.

00:07:02.300 And so the question is, where did the virus come from? And I think all of us want to know that right now.

00:07:08.540 Now, we've all heard tons of information. I think not just me, but I assume everyone watching, you know,

00:07:14.300 we're getting bombarded with information. And so how do you sift through all that? How do you go and track the

00:07:20.700 origin of these different stories coming out? And what do they tell us when you put them all together?

00:07:28.380 That was the goal of this documentary, to basically do a full picture of all the credible information we've seen

00:07:36.780 come out of China on this. Look at the real information, the stuff that was deleted by the Chinese Communist Party.

00:07:43.260 Look at what whistleblowers in China were saying about the real origin of this virus.

00:07:47.820 And yeah, as you mentioned, out of that Wuhan lab itself, there were at least two whistleblowers

00:07:54.220 who used their real names and came out publicly and said this virus came from our laboratory.

00:07:59.740 And somehow that never really got much attention outside of China.

00:08:03.020 Yeah. I mean, this Wuhan virus lab has been in the news before bizarrely Canada approved the transfer

00:08:12.300 of the Ebola virus from our research lab to China last year, which is crazy to me. And then there was a

00:08:21.820 startling case of a Chinese national and her students who were frog marched out of Canada's top virus lab

00:08:28.780 in suspicious circumstances by our mounted police. No charges were ever laid. There was not a full

00:08:33.980 disclosure of what happened. But that Wuhan virus lab has been in the news in Canada.

00:08:39.660 And I have to tell you, when I heard of this Wuhan virus, I thought, what are the odds?

00:08:43.500 What is the sheer statistical likelihood that there was a natural, organic starting of a virus

00:08:51.820 virus in the same city of this virus lab without the connection? I mean, it's almost it's it's almost

00:08:58.860 ridiculous to believe there wasn't an involvement. Tell us a little bit more about your positive

00:09:04.060 evidence that there was a connection. All right. So let's look at this. Now that Wuhan lab,

00:09:11.340 the P4 laboratory is about 20 miles up the street from that marketplace. When the Chinese Communist Party

00:09:17.500 declared the virus came from the marketplace, what do they do? They go in there and they destroy the

00:09:22.460 evidence. They go and destroy the crime scene. Now, if this was a murder mystery and you had a dead

00:09:28.060 body on the ground and there's blood and there's bullets, they went in, they got rid of the body,

00:09:32.140 they got rid of the blood, they got rid of the bullets, they wiped down all the fingerprints.

00:09:35.660 There's no possible way for the international community to go in now and either prove or disprove

00:09:42.060 that narrative. So you're speaking about the seafood market itself?

00:09:45.100 Destroyed. Yeah. The Chinese Communist Party destroyed the evidence with that.

00:09:50.140 Right. And so, again, now they looked into it. Patient Zero had no connection to the marketplace.

00:09:55.980 The question then comes up, well, what was the origin? Well, it just so happens that that laboratory,

00:10:00.540 20 miles up the road from this place, first off, yeah, they were starting to study the SARS virus around

00:10:05.980 2003, 2002, when they were first announced. The head of that laboratory was one of the top

00:10:12.540 coronavirus, bat coronavirus researchers in the world. She had been writing papers about this,

00:10:19.180 Dr. Shi. She had been writing papers about this going back years. In fact, one of the papers in 2015

00:10:26.300 described it was a synthetic virus that destroyed, it was shown to destroy the lungs of mice that had no

00:10:33.500 known cure. The symptoms of that, the nature of that, very closely fit the description of this current

00:10:38.780 virus we're seeing now. In addition to that, they talked about how to make bat coronaviruses transmittable

00:10:45.820 to humans. That laboratory was on the frontier of this type of research on how do you change the key,

00:10:55.100 right, the key that allows these viruses to connect to human cells. That laboratory was one of the,

00:11:01.180 it was the frontier laboratory doing that kind of research. They had the SARS virus, they had these bat

00:11:07.020 coronaviruses. It just so happens now that this new coronavirus, this Wuhan virus, or CCP virus as

00:11:14.460 we've been calling it, if you look at the actual virus sequence, what does it show us? Well, it has a

00:11:21.260 very close match to a bat from, I believe it's Nanjing province. Two different parts of it, one's over an

00:11:29.100 80% match, the other was, the other is a 100% match to the different proteins. Now that bat coronavirus

00:11:35.820 just so happens to have been submitted to the bat, the coronavirus database by the Chinese military,

00:11:41.740 the PLA. In other words, a PLA bat coronavirus is the closest match to this one, at least the virus

00:11:48.940 shell, the outer part of it. Now what makes, now these bat coronaviruses are not naturally transmittable to

00:11:55.180 humans. And so what makes it transmittable? It's those little spike proteins, the little mushroom

00:12:00.140 looking things coming off the virus. It just so happens that that one, the one circulating now,

00:12:07.020 appears to come from the SARS virus, which is why they're calling it, you know, SARS-like virus, right?

00:12:13.500 And so this bat coronavirus is somehow a recombination, it appears, between this virus that

00:12:19.660 was owned, submitted by the Chinese military to this coronavirus database, combined, recombinated,

00:12:27.980 not mutated, it appears, with the SARS virus. So how did the SARS virus join with the bat coronavirus?

00:12:34.940 Just so happens that P4 laboratory was doing research on this. They wrote papers on this.

00:12:39.500 This is the kind of stuff they were doing there. And the fact of the matter that, you know, a virus

00:12:45.500 gets out that just perfectly fits the template of exactly what they were publicly saying they were

00:12:50.220 doing at that laboratory spreads globally, even fits a description of what people feared would

00:12:56.060 happen if some of the viruses they described got out. And somehow it's called conspiracy,

00:13:02.060 if you talk about it, at least has been until very recently. I think UK government now and some other

00:13:07.020 countries are seriously looking into the possibility that it might be lab derived. And I think this

00:13:11.660 documentary really shows that. Here, let's take a quick clip from the documentary that discusses

00:13:17.260 exactly this recombination that you're referring to. Here, take a look. After the Wuhan outbreak,

00:13:23.180 Indian researchers compared the S protein sequence between 2019 NCOV and SARS. They discovered that 2019

00:13:32.780 NCOV had four new sequences inserted, all of which can be found in HIV sequences through a search on

00:13:41.580 GenBank. Shi Zhengli discredited those observations, although she never denied the existence of the

00:13:48.300 four inserted sequences. However, scientists probing GenBank found that there were only three viruses

00:13:56.060 containing all sequences. The first is the HIV virus itself. The second is a bat coronavirus discovered

00:14:05.180 by Xi. And the third is this new Wuhan coronavirus. We're talking with Joshua Phillip. He's the narrator of

00:14:13.100 this groundbreaking documentary published by Epoch Times. Joshua, I can understand why the Chinese

00:14:20.940 government would be absolutely terrified of their role in this. It's bad enough that people are dying

00:14:28.380 from a, quote, accident. But if this virus was engineered in their labs, if this was a military weapon

00:14:37.580 that was either purposefully or more likely accidentally released, I mean, at least Chernobyl in the Soviet

00:14:45.180 Union, it didn't explode on purpose. It wasn't designed as a bomb. It just was poorly engineered and there

00:14:50.940 was safety protocols that weren't followed. The cover-up was just to save face. But here it's not

00:14:58.380 even just about saving face. This looks, and you mentioned the People's Liberation Army,

00:15:04.700 this looks like it was a deliberate weaponization of a virus.

00:15:09.340 It could be. Now, when people talk about bioweapons, they of course point to the fact that the Chinese

00:15:15.420 Communist Party is a signatory in the Bioweapons Act. They have agreed to not develop bioweapons.

00:15:20.700 But even just, I think, 2018, 2019, the State Department had a paper talking about this.

00:15:26.300 The Chinese Communist Party, we knew for a fact they had bioweapons programs going back decades.

00:15:32.060 When they signed onto that program, they never even acknowledged the programs that we knew

00:15:36.620 they had, let alone showed any evidence they got rid of those programs. The State Department was calling

00:15:42.380 out the Chinese Communist Party even very recently, publicly, before this whole virus came out,

00:15:47.420 about this, noting even that a lot of the lab research they have appears to be dual use.

00:15:53.740 In other words, for both civilian purposes and for military purposes, a lot of what they're doing

00:15:59.020 could be used for weaponization. Now, when you're talking about bioweapons programs, let's be clear

00:16:03.820 about this. Countries around the world can talk all they want about how they don't have biowarfare

00:16:09.180 programs. You know what they call them? They call them defensive programs. Defensive programs are weapon

00:16:15.260 programs. And so they can run any experiments they want under the guise of defensive programs,

00:16:21.260 and when in reality they can be used for weaponization. Chinese Communist Party does it, many developed

00:16:26.700 countries do it. When it comes to the Chinese Communist Party though, they've actually been very upfront,

00:16:32.620 very public about the nature of their interest in these types of weapons. They have, for example,

00:16:38.860 the unrestricted warfare doctrine. They've had Chinese generals come out and talk about how they need

00:16:44.060 to develop multiple bioweapons for use against the United States specifically. The logic behind that

00:16:51.180 is nuclear weapons. In other words, mass extermination of nations is mutually assured destruction.

00:16:58.860 It's not applicable. It's not practical if you want to actually destroy another nation. So what do

00:17:03.900 they suggest? They suggest bioweapons. They've talked about this publicly. They've had papers on this

00:17:09.340 publicly. And somehow I think that a lot of the academic, let's say, community, they tend to

00:17:17.580 write off a lot of what these Chinese generals say because it's so extreme, because it's so aggressively

00:17:23.180 hostile and violent and horrific that they have trouble believing it. But the Chinese Communist Party

00:17:28.780 has never tried hiding the fact that it does this, never tried hiding the fact that this is part of

00:17:33.660 their military doctrine and military program. And it just so happens, yeah, that now that there is a,

00:17:39.900 appears to be a very destructive virus that may have come from a Chinese laboratory, at least the

00:17:46.220 evidence does suggest this, may have connections to the Chinese military. We know for a fact that the

00:17:52.940 head of China's biowarfare programs took control of this laboratory after this whole thing came out.

00:17:59.020 That laboratory is now under the control of the PLA's top biowarfare person.

00:18:05.340 And also during the building of the laboratory, a PLA connected industry took over the construction.

00:18:11.980 Of course, they were working with France earlier on. And when it comes to possible intentional,

00:18:17.180 sorry, I'm in New York, you'd be amazed how many, how many ambulances we have driving around here.

00:18:22.620 But when we talk about possible leaks and possible intention to it, we've shown the documentary some

00:18:29.020 interesting information. We look into the actual leadership of this laboratory. And guess who we trace

00:18:33.820 it to? The sons of Jiang Zemin. Jiang Zemin was two leaders ago. He was one of the, he was the head of the

00:18:41.180 Chinese Communist Party two leaders ago. It was Jiang Zemin, Hu Jintao, now Xi Jinping. Jiang Zemin runs a

00:18:49.020 rival faction to the current leadership of the Chinese Communist Party, Xi Jinping. His faction is

00:18:55.020 really probably just as bad, if not worse than Xi's faction. And they've been at each other's

00:19:00.300 throats. Xi Jinping's whole anti-corruption campaign was purging a lot of people connected to the Jiang

00:19:05.740 faction. Just so happens now this lab is tied to the Jiang faction, specifically to Jiang Zemin's son.

00:19:12.060 And it just so happens, too, that guess who runs a lot of the medical institutions in China,

00:19:19.500 including the one that controls this Western drug that was given to China to treat this virus,

00:19:25.020 this Remendisphere, I can't pronounce it, just so happens to be Jiang Zemin's son. In other words,

00:19:31.900 the guy who's connected to that laboratory also runs the institutions that control the possible cure for

00:19:37.900 it. And so, yeah, there is a there's very strong possibility in this. Let's show a quick clip of

00:19:43.580 the movie in this regard. Here, take a look. The Wuhan P4 laboratory was a subsidiary of the Wuhan

00:19:50.860 Institute of Virology, which is managed by China Academy of Sciences. The director of the laboratory

00:19:57.900 was Yuan Shimi, who was also the head of Chinese Academy of Sciences Wuhan chapter. Design and funding for

00:20:05.580 construction were the responsibilities of the ex-vice presidents of the academy, Jiang Mianheng from 1999

00:20:14.460 to 2011 and Chen Zhu from 2000 to 2007. Jiang Mianheng was the eldest son of ex-CCP leader Jiang Zemin.

00:20:25.740 After Jiang Zemin ascended to power after the Tiananmen Square massacre, his son entered the academy

00:20:31.740 and led the institute of high technologies research and development. Jiang Mianheng created the Shanghai

00:20:39.740 Institute of Life Sciences and together with China Academy of Sciences, Shanghai colleges and universities,

00:20:46.860 Shanghai hospitals, military hospitals and research institutions formed a profit group of life

00:20:55.340 sciences organizations. They controlled China's major life sciences research projects and allocation of

00:21:02.380 massive funding. Jiang Zicheng, son of Jiang Mianheng, is the controlling shareholder of Wuxi App Tech,

00:21:11.820 which in turn is controlling Fosun Pharmaceutical, China's agent for Remdesivir. Effectively, Jiang Zicheng is the

00:21:23.340 kingpin behind the specific medicine for the outbreak. Meanwhile, Chen Zhu is the current president of the Red Cross

00:21:32.220 Society of China, which had faced numerous scandals since the outbreak. We're talking with Joshua Philip,

00:21:39.180 the host and narrator of this blockbuster documentary. Joshua, one of the excuses used by Western political

00:21:47.740 leaders for being unprepared for this virus sounds legitimate enough to me. I mean, Taiwan wasn't fooled.

00:21:54.940 I think they know to distrust anything said by China or the World Health Organization. But other leaders,

00:22:01.820 including here in Canada, said, well, the World Health Organization told us it wasn't that big a risk.

00:22:07.020 It wasn't transmissible. The Chinese government has said only a few thousand people have died out of a mighty

00:22:14.060 country of 1.4 billion. What do you think the actual death count in China is? Because I find it hard to

00:22:24.140 believe that it was as low as they say. I find it hard to credit them when they say there are no more

00:22:29.820 domestic cases. It's all foreigners coming to China. Using your sources, what do you estimate the

00:22:37.260 real number of Chinese fatalities is? I'd say it's easily in the millions, easily in the millions.

00:22:46.620 Now, this is obviously a terrible backfire in their own country. Like I mentioned

00:22:52.540 Chernobyl before. The death count from Chernobyl was nowhere this high. I mean, it was a great

00:22:58.300 disruption, great economic disruption. It was a great moment of truth for the communist regime. But

00:23:04.220 millions of people did not die from Chernobyl. And yet Gorbachev said it was probably the central

00:23:10.300 factor for the fall of the Soviet Union. Millions dying in China. How would we be able to corroborate

00:23:17.340 that? How would we be able to learn or know that? So at Fox Times, we've been making a lot of phone

00:23:23.660 calls into China. We also have a lot of sources on the ground in China. You know, we're blacklisted in

00:23:28.780 China, proudly blacklisted, because that means we're telling the truth about them. And of course,

00:23:33.020 you tell the truth, kick you out. We actually did have an office in China early on. They arrested

00:23:38.540 everyone. Our editor spent 10 years in prison and they tortured him. That's what happens when you

00:23:43.100 tell the truth in China. And so when it comes to this, of course, we've made phone calls into some

00:23:49.580 of the funeral homes, into the cremation centers. They said they told us they were working 24-7.

00:23:54.220 And even then, they did not have the capacity to cremate all the bodies. The Chinese Communist

00:24:00.140 Party brought in mobile incinerators into the city. They said it was for other materials.

00:24:06.380 They didn't say it was for bodies. We know that in Iran, the Iranian government is being accused of

00:24:12.300 covering up as well. There was a report in the Atlantic that estimated the number of infections

00:24:17.260 in Iran could be 2 million. There were other reports showing you can see the mass graves from

00:24:22.140 space. There were so many of them. And Iran right now is calling out the Chinese Communist Party for

00:24:27.660 lying to them about the lethality of this virus. Even Iran, which is a close ally of China, is calling

00:24:34.620 them out for this. When it comes to... Let me ask you about the virus itself. I saw an early commentator,

00:24:40.620 it was speculation, but I want to bounce it off you, who was looking at the demographics of who dies from

00:24:46.940 this virus. And it's typically older men. And there may be some other demographic or ethnic characteristics

00:24:58.940 to it. I mean, I don't know. And a theory that was bruited, again, this was pure speculation, was that

00:25:07.420 China itself might have a diabolical idea of culling its non-productive senior citizens from

00:25:19.980 the country. I mean, I thought that was an outlandish thing when I heard it, that China would actually

00:25:25.580 want this virus to euthanize its old and unproductive population. I don't think there was any basis for

00:25:33.180 that other than observation of who this virus kills. Do you think there's anything special about

00:25:41.900 how this virus works that was deliberate? Or was this just a pure attempt to weaponize a virus

00:25:49.420 and its manifestations are just random? It's possible. I wouldn't put it beyond the Chinese

00:25:57.020 Communist Party. Let's put it that way. When you're talking about targeting with bioweapons,

00:26:02.300 development of bioweapons, they can do that. That's one of the reasons why biometrics can be

00:26:08.140 such an issue. You can target viruses in terms of bioweapons at specific, say,

00:26:14.620 races, specific traits of genes. If you remember, the US military actually warned,

00:26:20.220 there was a warning going out to US military personnel to not use these different genealogy

00:26:26.780 programs because the genealogy analysis of DNA is being sent to these Chinese labs.

00:26:34.460 Now, why would the military warn personnel to not do these things because the DNA is being processed in

00:26:40.780 China? Who knows? Speculation. But that came out, I think, last year. You can do that type of work. You can

00:26:52.620 alter a virus to target specific types of DNA, specific types of individuals, even races. You

00:26:59.500 can do that. So you're saying that 23andMe, like when people take a sample of their saliva

00:27:05.580 and send it to 23andMe or others like it, those are actually processed in China?

00:27:11.740 I can't remember off the top of my head exactly which companies, but yes, a lot of them do

00:27:16.460 to process DNA in China. Allegedly, when they do it, they don't include the name of the individual.

00:27:22.620 But yes, a lot of them process it in Chinese labs. Yeah, that's shocking. Well, how is this going to

00:27:28.460 end? I mean, will it ever end? I guess there's two parts to that question. One is the health

00:27:36.140 question, but the other is politically. I mean, we saw yesterday Donald Trump musing

00:27:41.260 about getting out of the World Health Organization. I think that's very healthy. I see Taiwan

00:27:47.020 has come out of this looking responsible and public minded. And I really like how Taiwan is

00:27:55.500 looking and how they're behaving. So I see some hope. But

00:28:00.540 if China did misbehave in the way that your documentary suggests, do you see a larger

00:28:12.540 realignment, a disconnect, a disconnecting of industry and security from China,

00:28:19.180 a marginalization and maybe even a pariah status of China akin to South Africa during apartheid era?

00:28:29.100 Do you see the denormalization of China or is their financial clout and military clout just too

00:28:36.860 powerful? I think we're already seeing this happening, that the United States appears to

00:28:42.620 be pulling out a lot of companies from China. Companies are pulling out themselves from China

00:28:46.780 because really they can't manufacture there right now. They're realizing now that China is a national

00:28:52.300 security threat on many, many fronts. The Chinese Communist Party is hostile towards the West,

00:28:58.060 towards the United States especially, that it will hold medical equipment essentially ransom

00:29:06.060 unless foreign countries want to cooperate with it. France right now, for example, China is only saying

00:29:11.740 they'll give them masks if they agree to install 5G from Huawei. And so, yes, the Chinese Communist

00:29:18.620 Party is in a very bad state. And yes, Taiwan is in a very good state because Taiwan used to be recognized

00:29:23.500 as if it is the official government of China. They were the government in exile. The UN was the first

00:29:28.860 to recognize the Chinese Communist Party as the government of China. The US unfortunately followed

00:29:33.740 that. The Chinese Communist Party is a murderous regime. It is under Mao Zedong alone killed between

00:29:40.780 50 million and 70 million Chinese people. It is continuing to do these kinds of abuses. It's abuses

00:29:47.260 against democracy activists, against, say, people who are critical of the regime, people who even

00:29:53.820 spread online rumors, as they call them, information about viruses like this, like they do with these

00:29:58.940 doctors, citizen journalists, people who believe in religion, whether it be Muslims or Christians,

00:30:05.660 Falun Gong or Tibetan Buddhists, brutally persecuted in China. I think the world needs to realize what the

00:30:12.220 Chinese Communist Party is. It is not a system that is in any way friendly to us. And it is one

00:30:19.100 that is extremely abusive to the Chinese people. And I believe this is exposing that in a way that,

00:30:27.100 I mean, I never saw it coming. I think everybody's starting to see now the nature of the Chinese

00:30:31.660 Communist Party. Well, this is riveting. I want to tell our viewers that we will have a link

00:30:37.580 to the full documentary below this video. And we've embedded it on our website as well. Joshua,

00:30:44.380 I admire your work. Tell us where people can go to learn more. There's your website, Epoch Times.

00:30:51.660 There's the paper newspaper that you publish in English. Tell us some of the places people can go if

00:30:58.540 they want to go deeper on this websites or other advice you have for our viewers.

00:31:03.340 You can go to theepochtimes.com, T-H-E-E-P-O-C-H-T-I-M-E-S.com. You can also check out my show.

00:31:13.100 It's Crossroads with Joshua Phillip. You can find us on the Epoch Times homepage

00:31:17.580 or on YouTube. And that's probably the best places for you.

00:31:20.940 Excellent. Well, thank you. Stay safe. This documentary certainly puts you, you were before,

00:31:28.620 but you're definitely on the top 10 bad guys list for communist China. So stay safe because they are

00:31:36.860 desperate now and your documentary only adds to the pressure on them. Congratulations and thank you for

00:31:43.580 coming on our show today. My pleasure. Thank you. All right. There you have it. Joshua Phillip

00:31:49.020 from theepochtimes.com. We'll have the link below this video. Check out the full documentary. It's

00:31:55.500 about 55 minutes. I promise you, you will learn more from that than from anything you've learned

00:32:00.700 in the mainstream media. And you'll recognize friends of the show, including our friend Gordon Chang.

00:32:05.020 Almost 600 days ago, the Chinese dictatorship kidnapped two Canadian citizens, Michael Kovrig

00:32:12.060 and Michael Spavor. Justin Trudeau hasn't done anything about it. In fact, he continues to send

00:32:17.740 foreign aid to China, even sending our entire national stockpile of face masks and other personal

00:32:23.980 protective equipment to China for free in the middle of the pandemic. He really is their poodle.

00:32:29.340 There's a level of admiration I actually have for China because their basic dictatorship is allowing

00:32:40.540 them to actually turn their economy around on a dime. The two Michaels weren't captured in a legal

00:32:46.380 arrest. They were held for the first year and a half without even being charged with a crime.

00:32:51.580 They're being held in brutal conditions in a light, in a room where the lights are never turned off.

00:32:57.100 That's a form of torture. They're being denied visits from Canadian diplomats.

00:33:01.980 China has been crystal clear about what they're doing. They're taking hostages. That's not what

00:33:06.140 G20 countries do. That's what terrorists or pirates or criminals do. Communist China is acting like a rogue

00:33:13.580 country, like gangsters. That dictatorship may be producing your high-tech cell phones and computers,

00:33:20.380 but it is still a dictatorship. It still has that 1970s Mao Zedong thuggery in it.

00:33:27.420 They're not even trying to hide it. Chinese dictators repeatedly admit that these two Canadians were

00:33:32.540 seized as a bargaining chip to force the release of an accused Chinese criminal in Canada, Meng Wanzhou,

00:33:39.180 the CFO of the huge Chinese tech company called Huawei. She was arrested in Vancouver and is being

00:33:44.460 extradited to the U.S. to face charges of fraud. Meng, of course, is out on bail. She's living the

00:33:50.540 high life in Vancouver, a wonderful city where she's free to go out and about, and has the very best

00:33:55.820 lawyers that her billions can buy. So far, she's lost her first round in court. A fair judge in an

00:34:01.980 independent legal system said that the extradition hearing can proceed. But the Chinese dictators want her

00:34:08.700 sprung out of jail before the trial is even over. It's a tit-for-tat, say the Chinese. It's an

00:34:14.060 admission that the two Michaels didn't do anything wrong. They're just hostages, bargaining chips.

00:34:20.380 So what have we done as a country in response to this barbaric behavior by China? This is hostage

00:34:26.220 taking, kidnapping. Have we kicked out Chinese diplomats in protest? Have we sent home some of the

00:34:33.180 thousands of children of corrupt Communist Party of China officials who send their kids to

00:34:38.060 attend Canadian universities, taking up spaces otherwise available to Canadian citizens? Have

00:34:42.860 we kicked them out? Have we put any tariffs on Chinese imported goods? Have we even just used our

00:34:49.340 words to condemn them? No, no, no, and no. The opposite, actually. We are completely compliant and

00:34:57.020 submissive. Trudeau is even giving more foreign aid to China, including a bizarre financial grant to the

00:35:03.340 Wuhan Virology Lab. I'm not kidding. Is there nothing China can do that Trudeau won't just

00:35:10.060 shrug off? It's humiliating, of course. It's un-Canadian. And most importantly, it's not working.

00:35:15.100 It's not getting the two Michaels back. In fact, the Chinese fake legal system, it's all predetermined

00:35:20.300 by the Communist Party over there. They've ratcheted up the propaganda war, recently charging the two

00:35:26.460 Michaels with spying. It's world news. Here's the BBC story. And yet, still, Trudeau does nothing. No

00:35:33.740 sanctions, no diplomatic expulsions, so nothing. It'll soon be 600 days in prison. So we've got an idea.

00:35:43.900 There's a great Canadian human rights law scholar. He used to teach constitutional law. He's been a lawyer.

00:35:51.100 And most importantly, for our purposes, he championed the case of the Falun Gong, who were

00:35:57.100 persecuted by the Chinese Communist Party. He worked with a member of parliament named David Kilgore

00:36:02.940 to investigate and expose China's horrific practice of forcibly harvesting human organs from live

00:36:10.060 prisoners, including Falun Gong political prisoners. They would cut those organs out of people and sell

00:36:15.260 them to China's Communist Party officials or even foreign buyers. David Matus is the name of the

00:36:21.100 lawyer who exposed that and who told the world. Well, we've asked Professor Matus, who knows about

00:36:28.780 China and Chinese prisons and human rights law in the UN. We asked him what we could possibly do to

00:36:34.060 help the two Michaels. What we could do. I mean, we're not in government. We're just citizens who wish

00:36:40.300 something would be done. Well, Matus had an idea. Here, watch my recent interview with him.

00:36:46.620 Professor, based on your work scrutinizing China, your lifelong dedication to civil rights and your

00:36:56.060 interest in Canadian politics, our mutual friend, our lawyer, Aaron Rosenberg, reached out to you

00:37:03.260 to discuss how we could perhaps work with you on the troubling case of the two Michaels,

00:37:09.580 Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor, who have been in illegal detention in China for

00:37:15.900 a year and a half. Can you explain to our viewers what legal steps you think we can take,

00:37:24.620 given that we don't have standing as the family or the two men, given that we're not the government

00:37:30.060 of Canada, and given that China is in some ways a rogue state, what could we do legally

00:37:36.780 but what is really a hostage taking?

00:37:42.300 The opportunities for dealing legally with Chinese violations of international human rights standards

00:37:49.420 is relatively limited because China is not a signatory to many human rights treaties.

00:37:56.860 And the ones where it does sign on to, like the Convention Against Torture, it tends to not sign

00:38:03.580 on to the optional complaints mechanisms or the international legal disputes mechanisms.

00:38:09.100 There are some recourses nonetheless, and several of those are through the United Nations Human Rights

00:38:23.420 Council thematic mechanisms. What the United Nations Human Rights Council has done is set up a number of

00:38:30.940 of thematic mechanisms, rapporteurs, working groups, dealing with specific human rights issues.

00:38:37.980 There's a rapporteur on torture, there's a working group on disappearances, there's a working group on

00:38:44.060 arbitrary detention, and so on. And there's dozens of them. And these thematic mechanisms,

00:38:51.740 they're not treaty-based, they're just council-based, and so they have jurisdiction over the whole world,

00:38:58.700 including China. And there's no agreement necessary from states of the United Nations for these mechanisms

00:39:07.020 to deal with human rights in those countries. And so these mechanisms can and have in the past

00:39:14.940 dealt with China. And I was dealing, for instance, with the UN rapporteur on torture and the UN rapporteur

00:39:21.900 on religious intolerance about this issue of organ transplant abuse in Falun Gong, and also with the

00:39:29.260 UN Committee Against Torture, because China is a signatory to the Convention Against Torture, also with

00:39:37.020 the Universal Periodic Review at the UN Human Rights Council, because the Universal Periodic Review, as the

00:39:43.020 name indicates, is universal. And China comes up for review every few years, and then any state can

00:39:50.140 raise any human rights concern it wants during the Universal Periodic Review. When it comes to the

00:39:56.860 Universal Periodic Review or the Convention Against Torture, we are dealing with periodicity. We are dealing

00:40:06.540 with events which occur every so often. But when it comes to the thematic mechanisms, they're

00:40:12.780 continuously functioning. They report to the Human Rights Council every year, and they

00:40:20.940 can take complaints at any time or petitions. Now, these human rights mechanisms do have complaints

00:40:27.740 or petition options. And the petitions are open to everybody. They're open to states, they're open to NGOs,

00:40:37.260 and the, of course, they're open to the victims and their families. But the consent is not necessary of the

00:40:48.540 families or the victims. I mean, obviously, in some situations, the consent of the victims is impossible, whether

00:40:55.420 they're disappeared or maybe arbitrarily executed. And the families may be intimidated, which is often the case with in China, where

00:41:05.420 the Communist Party makes the point of not just intimidating their target, but everybody in

00:41:11.740 their network to try to get at their target. And so often the only available recourse, which is true, really,

00:41:19.900 of my dealing with Falun Gong, is an outsider who has no connection to China and no point of pressure.

00:41:27.420 I mean, I'm not going to lose any business with China by doing this sort of thing, because I don't have

00:41:32.540 any business with China. And so that's the system. It is a system of complaint or petition by NGOs or

00:41:42.540 somebody like Rebel News. They can make such a complaint or petition, and then the thematic mechanism will

00:41:51.900 deal with it. Well, Professor, we would like to do that because we, like so many Canadians and others

00:41:58.220 around the world, have watched what we perceive to be inaction on the part of the Canadian government.

00:42:03.740 There's the odd, gentle statement, but there's been no diplomatic repercussions, no sanctions,

00:42:10.060 no deported diplomats, no trade, you know, consequences. I think that the fact that those two

00:42:19.340 men are still in detention a year and a half later says everything we need to know. Now, I want to

00:42:24.780 tell our viewers that you did take steps to reach out to the family to get their thoughts on this

00:42:33.420 process, to invite them to participate, to invite them to receive updates. What have you heard back,

00:42:41.020 if anything, from the families after you emailed and reached out to them about our proposed steps?

00:42:49.660 Well, yes, that's true. There was a communication to the families, because we did have contact

00:42:54.220 information telling them that, well, Rebel News is planning to do this, that we would keep them in

00:43:00.060 touch. We wanted to inform them. We invited them to participate if they wanted to participate. We

00:43:06.860 haven't heard back from them since. The communication is relatively recent, so I don't know if that tells

00:43:13.900 us anything yet, because very often people are slow in communications, and also I assume they get a lot

00:43:22.700 of stuff. But in any case, we're giving them an option of something they may want to do, but they don't

00:43:33.420 have to answer. And their non-answer is, there is no requirement for them to answer for the UN system

00:43:40.860 to become engaged. And I can imagine that given the thing they care about most,

00:43:47.580 these people are still in grave jeopardy, they most likely, I'm trying to put myself in their shoes,

00:43:53.420 they most likely would not want to be seen as being personally antagonistic

00:44:00.220 to the government of China. So even if they were to reply, it would be under a form of duress. It

00:44:07.980 would almost be like asking a hostage, do you like, do you want us to help? I mean,

00:44:15.100 but I'm glad you did reach out to them. And of course, keep us posted what they say.

00:44:20.380 Tell our viewers, what would the form of a complaint be? You mentioned that there are these

00:44:26.140 thematic groups of the UN Human Rights Council. Would it be the form of a letter? Is it a formal

00:44:33.500 application, a formal report? What would it look like, what you would prepare as a lawyer? You would

00:44:39.660 refer to certain principles and bring facts to the attention of the UN? Is it just a letter?

00:44:44.780 The UN website actually tells you what they want. And they ask for specific types of information.

00:44:56.860 Obviously, what they want is as much detail as possible, because often the problem is that

00:45:06.060 when people make complaints, it's difficult to know exactly what they're talking about. So

00:45:09.660 So names, dates, times, places, as much detail about the specific violation as you could possibly

00:45:18.220 get. They'd be interested in exhaustion of remedies, you know, not in terms of Canada,

00:45:25.260 but in terms of China, like what has been done or could be done in China to alleviate the plight of

00:45:33.820 these people. They'd be interested in other remedies that are being sought that might be useful,

00:45:40.700 either in the UN system or anywhere else around the world. They'd be interested in how the particular

00:45:47.660 complaint fits within the mandate of the theme mechanism to which the complaint is being addressed.

00:45:53.020 Those are the sorts of things that the complaint would address.

00:45:56.380 I have a question for you, and it would touch on anything of the United Nations. China is very

00:46:03.740 influential of the UN. It runs four agencies and effectively controls a fifth. We saw their

00:46:10.140 interference recently with the World Health Organization. What is the ability of China simply to

00:46:17.820 veto or crush or shut down or summarily dismiss something that criticizes it? Because the UN is not

00:46:25.580 friendly to democratic activists who ask pesky questions like you will do. What do you think

00:46:35.020 China will do in reaction to our legal complaint?

00:46:42.700 Well, as I said, typically what happens with these complaints is that the rapporteur will send the

00:46:49.420 complaint to the foreign government for response. And then in the report afterwards, typically what

00:46:57.740 happens is that the rapporteur will put in the complaint to report on the complaint and report on the

00:47:04.620 response and may draw some concluding or may draw some observations based on it. And my experience is,

00:47:13.340 at least with some of the other times I've dealt with the system, is the exercise is useful. Even if when

00:47:20.780 you're dealing with China, what you get back is nonsense. Because if I were to write to the government

00:47:28.940 of China directly and say, I don't like what you're doing with the two Michaels, they'd probably just

00:47:33.580 ignore it. But with the UN system, although they may generate nonsense in response, they feel they can't

00:47:41.020 ignore it. So they will reply. And a nonsensical reply from the government of China serves its own

00:47:49.660 purpose because it becomes possible to point out how nonsensical it is. And so for instance, with this

00:47:56.140 organ transplant abuse, we were concerned about the government of China was saying, look at, you know,

00:48:01.660 they were boasting, look at how big our transplant numbers are trying to show their technologically

00:48:06.140 head in transplants. And so then the UN rapporteur said, well, okay, you've got these big transplant

00:48:14.620 numbers, where do the organs come from? And the response to that was, we never said our transplant

00:48:20.380 numbers were big, which of course they had said, and it was posted on their internet sites at the same

00:48:25.820 time as they were denying they said it. So, I mean, it was just such obvious nonsense that it became

00:48:31.180 another point of attack. And so I would say that exercise, I mean, obviously didn't stop the abuse,

00:48:40.220 and it still continues. It, it just added to the weight of the argument that we had and gave us an

00:48:45.820 additional reason why our position was strong. Because I mean, if the government of China in response

00:48:53.740 to a well-reasoned argument can answer only nonsense, the answer, it must be that they don't

00:48:59.180 have a, a good answer if all they can give is a bad answer. Huh. Well, so that's, that's the goal here,

00:49:05.900 is to write a complaint that properly marshals the facts and the law and shows what China's doing,

00:49:13.100 and at the very least compel them to give, I guess it's like question period in parliament that way.

00:49:19.180 You don't really get a good answer most of the time, but sometimes the absurdity of the answer

00:49:24.940 is telling in itself. So that's our goal here. Write a letter to bring attention to this

00:49:30.860 and smoke out China's answers and maybe use those to contradict China or to, to show how, how

00:49:38.940 unlawful they are. That's our goal. Is that correct?

00:49:42.700 Yes, I would agree with that. I mean, I think question period is a good analogy. I don't mean to

00:49:46.700 suggest that the government, uh, is anything like the government of China, but, but otherwise I think

00:49:53.180 it's a good, good analogy. Well, what do you think? The plan is simple and small, but I think it's better

00:49:59.020 than zero, better than nothing, Trudeau's approach. Draft a formal complaint about how the two Michaels

00:50:04.220 are being mistreated by China. File it with the special rapporteurs at the UN's Human Rights Council.

00:50:11.020 Make China answer it and use their answer politically and diplomatically to name and

00:50:16.300 shame China as breaking international, international law, breaking international norms. They hate that.

00:50:21.580 They don't like losing face. We have a few other ideas too, but the main thing is to do something,

00:50:27.820 something that the world will at least see and hear, not the total silent surrender that Trudeau is doing.

00:50:34.540 Will this free the two Michaels? Probably not.

00:50:37.260 Will it bring their plight to a wider audience? You bet it will. Will we hopefully spur actual

00:50:45.100 politicians to do something more, maybe even to take over this project? I hope so. In any event,

00:50:51.260 we're just going to do it. I just feel like we have to. If you want to help, please do. We're paying

00:50:57.180 Professor Madis' fee for his legal work. We'll file a complaint when it's ready, which should be soon.

00:51:03.260 And when the time is right, we will actually go to Geneva, Switzerland, where the UN Human Rights

00:51:08.780 Council is, and maybe make a bit of a fuss about this too. I do need your help, please. I've signed

00:51:14.700 a retainer agreement with Professor Madis to cover his fees and his travel costs if we go to Geneva.

00:51:20.140 If you think this is a good idea, please help me out by going to freethetwmichaels.com.

00:51:27.100 I will post updates at that website when the legal complaint is ready. We'll publish the legal

00:51:33.180 complaint itself. You can read it for yourself and all of our follow-up work, including hopefully

00:51:37.900 the trip to Geneva itself. This is a small step, but that's more than anything Trudeau has done.

00:51:44.540 If you believe in standing up to China and calling out their bullying and standing up for Canadian

00:51:49.340 citizens, please go to freethetwmichaels.com and lend a hand. Thanks.

00:51:54.700 It most certainly was a global affair. Groups of Canadians from many cultures stood together this

00:52:00.860 past Sunday to condemn the authoritarian regime of the Chinese Communist Party.

00:52:06.460 Drea Humphrey here with Rebel News, and on Sunday, September 27th, I found myself back in front of the

00:52:12.700 Chinese consulate on Granville Street in Vancouver for yet another anti-communist party of China

00:52:20.300 protests. Now these protests are becoming more and more frequent in Vancouver, and despite 27% of

00:52:27.340 Vancouver's ethnic makeup consisting of the Chinese community, protests like this are still getting

00:52:33.340 next to no coverage by the mainstream media. Over 100 protesters attended the event called a Global

00:52:41.260 Day of Action Resist CCP Freedom Now. The protest was hosted by a variety of Canadian communities,

00:52:49.740 including Chinese, Hong Kongers, Indo-Canadians, Tibetans, and Uighurs. There were passionate

00:52:55.740 speakers and plenty of signs held by protesters, as well as on top of vehicles that continuously

00:53:02.380 drove by. Indoctrination, communism, and genocide were just some of the heavy topics discussed

00:53:09.660 as these groups stood together to call on our government and our people to resist the CCP.

00:53:16.860 But instead of me explaining things further, watch and see for yourself as the protesters share their

00:53:22.940 message and tell China to back off.

00:53:26.140 Back off China! Back off China! Back off China! Back off China! Back off China! Back off China!

00:53:32.140 Today we are here to support and raise the voice for our Michael Kovrig and our Michael Spavor who are

00:53:45.500 illegally detained illegally detained in China. China is the biggest bully in the world. China is the

00:53:56.460 biggest land mafia in the world. China has land disputes with 17 countries in the world.

00:54:05.660 And the South China Sea, which it shares with other countries, it has the dispute with every other country.

00:54:15.500 Hi everybody, my name is Lee. If we buy Canadian products, we support our Canada.

00:54:22.300 Buy court Canadian goods. Buy court Chinese goods, support Canadian goods.

00:54:28.860 Buy court China. Back off China. This is our slogan.

00:54:35.660 We represent a group in BC that are looking to acquire sovereignty. And by acquiring our sovereignty,

00:54:41.980 it'll empower us to better deal with the CCP takeover. Right now, Canada is actually a corporation

00:54:49.180 and we are all subject to the monarch. It's a corporation of the monarch, right? And we're coming

00:54:56.700 here to show other people that by gaining our sovereignty, we'll be able to empower us and

00:55:02.540 we'll be in a better position to help China and other countries to deal with the CCP.

00:55:09.340 If you look at all the things that the CCP have done, the genocide against the Uyghurs,

00:55:15.580 you know, what they've done with Tibet, Tetans, and with what they're doing in Hong Kong,

00:55:19.740 destroying a free society, the actions are comparable to the Nazis. Also, the way that they are menacing

00:55:25.180 their neighbours like India and neighbours in the South China Sea, you know, this is

00:55:30.060 compared to the Nazis and we need to recognise this threat. And, you know, first it starts with not

00:55:35.980 engaging with them, not doing business, pretending that it's business as usual, but fighting against

00:55:41.420 this. Removing the infiltration within Canada and then, you know, taking the fight to the CCP and

00:55:48.860 supporting people from Hong Kong, supporting the Uyghurs, supporting Tibetans, supporting all the

00:55:54.060 victims and standing for the values that we hold dear as Canadians, like freedom of speech and basic

00:55:58.380 human rights. Tell us what this means to you right now. What does this mean to you right now?

00:56:04.300 The CCP is Hitler. It's controlling. He's not doing a favour for the entire world. Instead,

00:56:12.940 he is ruining our whole system. China! China! China! You're fired! China! China! China!

00:56:19.180 China! Resist CCP! Freedom now!

00:56:23.500 I am ethnically Uyghur myself. I was born in Kazakhstan, moved here in grade three. And it's for my people.

00:56:31.340 I'm here for my people. Currently, China occupies my territory, just like Canada once occupied this

00:56:36.940 territory. And I wanted to say that this right here, this is the Chinese embassy on unceded territory,

00:56:41.900 on Canadian native land. They are not welcome here. I do not welcome them here. They have never,

00:56:48.620 you know, asked no indigenous people about this. And me, as an indigenous person to East Turkestan,

00:56:53.820 I'm telling the CCP, the Chinese Communist Party, to leave my land and leave my people alone.

00:56:59.740 And the only reason I'm speaking up now is because I have no more people to lose, you know. Back in the

00:57:04.380 day, we all have feared of losing people back home. But now, we have nothing to lose. All the people

00:57:10.380 are already taken. And we are standing up here for our family, for my cousins, for my aunts,

00:57:15.980 for my friends, you know, for all the blood that I shared back home. And I wanted to say that I am

00:57:23.020 here and I will not give up until the CCP stops what they are doing. And I want the CCP to take this as a

00:57:29.900 threat because I feel like I am an average person, but so is everyone here. And with numbers, we will

00:57:36.140 inevitably either hold on to the culture they are trying to take down or we will stand up and fight

00:57:42.940 against, you know. I will not let them win. I wanted to thank the CCP, as a matter of fact,

00:57:50.220 for one thing they did is they made me realize that I am an Uyghur. I am from East Turkestan and I

00:57:55.420 wasn't connected to my land as much as I am now. And I want to thank them that even if it was against

00:58:01.580 their agenda, I am here right now, standing opposed to them, but thanking them for making me more Uyghur

00:58:08.860 and preserving the culture. In 2020, we have up to three million Uyghurs in northwestern China,

00:58:14.780 known as Xinjiang, but we call it East Turkestan. It's the indigenous land to Uyghurs. So what's going

00:58:21.820 on right now is China is ethnically cleansing Uyghurs by taking them into concentration camps where they're

00:58:27.260 being tortured, brainwashed, forced sterilization, forced labor, and they've been evidenced with

00:58:33.820 our favorite brands that are complicit like Zara, Nike, Google, Apple, and more. And so basically

00:58:41.340 they're using religion as a means to ethnically cleanse them. There have been cases where people

00:58:46.140 who pray or people who like have a beard, they've been sent to concentration camps. So basically what

00:58:51.980 they're trying to do is like ethnically cleanse the Uyghur minority. It's usually called East Turkestan,

00:58:58.140 but ever since China took over, they've like, I don't know, persecuted over three million,

00:59:04.780 four million Uyghurs. And I don't even know what's happening to my family, extended family there.

00:59:11.420 And you know, it's like, it's just sad not knowing where your grandparents are, where your cousins are.

00:59:18.780 I am an ethnic Uyghur, and I haven't been talking to my family members for three years.

00:59:25.260 Not only me, but also millions of Uyghurs outside of China has have same situation like me.

00:59:34.140 And I have to raise awareness. I have to talk about what's happening right now in East Turkestan,

00:59:40.620 Chinese occupied country. And it's more than eight million people are

00:59:46.540 detained in Chinese concentration camps. And even Chinese officials, they already confirm it is more

00:59:56.060 than eight million people. And then it is genocide. And I want everyone to stand up against

01:00:03.580 this, this genocide, modern day genocide. We said never again, but it's happened right now in my country.

01:00:11.820 I support the Falun Dafa, the Falun Gong movement. These people are being persecuted in China,

01:00:18.460 horribly treated and having their organs harvested. And yet nobody hears talking about it.

01:00:23.020 Well, no big politicians are. And as a supporter of the People's Party and Maxime Bernier,

01:00:28.060 he's one of the only politicians that are going to be tough on China with persecuting them and holding

01:00:36.860 them accountable for these kind of actions that they're taking against their own citizens. And I

01:00:41.340 stand with Hong Kong and their plight for freedom. What brought you guys to this protest today?

01:00:47.580 Well, we are standing with Canada. We are standing with all the democracy and we are tired of

01:00:53.660 Chinese Communist Party bullying democracies like Canada. We are here for two Michaels who have been

01:01:01.980 illegally and captured by Chinese Communist Party. They didn't do anything wrong. There's no due process.

01:01:09.500 And it's really sad, like what China has done to Tibet, what they have done to Uyghur Muslims,

01:01:17.660 what they are doing to democracies like India, China, everywhere, and their irresponsibility towards

01:01:25.020 Wuhan virus, coronavirus. So we are actually paying for that, left alone the real estate market and how

01:01:32.300 unaffordable it is with illegal Chinese money. But we are suffering and it's enough. We need to stand up

01:01:38.140 to China. So that's why we are here. Absolutely. Now, what do you think needs to happen for more people who

01:01:44.300 don't have direct ties with China or India but live in Canada? What needs to happen for them to start

01:01:50.220 taking notice about these things? I think democracy like our government needs to stand up for the

01:01:55.660 Canadians that are incarcerated in Canada. So there's two Michaels that aren't that aren't getting due

01:02:01.660 process and that are in prison basically getting tortured. So more awareness needs to be happen and

01:02:07.660 governments need to stand up to China and make sure that China is upholding human rights, which it's not.

01:02:14.300 Why do you think a lot of Canadians in this area still don't know a whole lot about what's going

01:02:19.260 on? I think part of that is, you know, being distracted by other things. I mean, we were

01:02:25.740 dealing with a pandemic. I think the pandemic's actually helped in bringing the threat of the CCP to

01:02:32.300 light. I think too that one thing this is, I've heard this from some politicians, is that they believe

01:02:38.620 that if you criticize the CCP that it's racism or it's criticizing Chinese people, which couldn't

01:02:44.620 be further from the truth. I mean, if you look at this gathering, like 80% of the people are ethnic

01:02:49.660 Chinese. I am half Chinese. Like the people who have suffered the most under the CCP are Chinese

01:02:55.740 people. So it's time for our politicians to wake up, take a stand against this government that is

01:03:00.700 completely different from Chinese people who are innocent, that is, you know, threatening its neighbors,

01:03:06.540 that has kidnapped two of our citizens and continues to threaten us. You know, Canada,

01:03:12.300 we are a middle power. We need to find allies that share our values and stand with them against

01:03:18.700 the CCP. We did this during World War II. We stood with the United Kingdom. We stood with the United

01:03:24.300 States against the Nazis. We need to do the same thing against the CCP.

01:03:28.380 Now a day we can see that CCP is trying to invade a lot of human rights. They're trying to take away

01:03:34.860 our democracy, our freedoms. And especially because I'm a Hong Kong, I'm a Hong Konger. I'm from Hong Kong

01:03:40.620 and I can see what the Chinese government is doing. I can see how they're abusing our human rights.

01:03:48.380 So I think for me as a Hong Konger, I think it's definitely important for me to stand up and say,

01:03:54.060 no, this is not how you should treat us. No, this is not how you should treat Hong Kong people or anyone

01:03:59.180 in this world. We're here in Canada, in Vancouver. We're kind of neighbors and we feel and are

01:04:06.300 connected with what's going on there. And we're trying to make awareness here for what the CCP is

01:04:13.100 doing to countries around the world, specifically Canada here. And just here to stand up for freedoms

01:04:19.900 and rights of the people and, you know, say no to communism. And, you know, that's, you know,

01:04:26.700 a lot of our grandparents fought for this and we're not just going to let it all go to nothing.

01:04:31.100 China has border disputes with almost every country. They illegally occupied so much land

01:04:36.860 and a few soldiers, you know, got killed. And it's not nice. Like we have seen what happened to

01:04:43.740 Tibet. We have seen what happened to Hong Kong. We are seeing they are, you know, threatening Taiwan.

01:04:49.340 It can happen to India as well. It can happen to Nepal. It can happen to Canada. Canada,

01:04:53.260 it's such a small country, you know, 33 million people. And it's, it's really sad. Like how we see

01:05:01.740 that, you know, Chinese Communist Party control Canadian politics and people are just too afraid,

01:05:07.820 too afraid to even speak. And I think that's why, you know, I'm showing my face because I want people to

01:05:13.580 know that you can show your face. You don't have to be afraid. You will not lose your job. If everybody speaks,

01:05:19.180 you're not afraid of losing the business. Canadian values are, I think, more superior than any

01:05:25.340 communist regime. And we stand for that. You guys saw it with your own eyes right here, Vancouver,

01:05:31.020 BC and Canada. Quite a historical moment right in front of a huge poster of President Xi Jinping.

01:05:38.860 There's the burning. Canadians are burning the Chinese Communist Party flag.

01:05:44.860 Dre Humphrey for Rebel News. The debut of the live action version of Disney's Mulan is a big deal.

01:05:51.820 Lots of adults like Disney movies, too. They're so well done. But there's a problem with Mulan,

01:05:57.260 which is the story of a Chinese warrior princess. The problem is not with the story itself or how it's

01:06:05.900 told, but where it was filmed, and specifically the credits at the end of the movie. Most shocking.

01:06:15.340 As you can see here, the Disney film was filmed in the Xinjiang region of China,

01:06:22.620 China, which is the Uyghur Muslim region. And it gives special thanks to a variety of Chinese propaganda

01:06:31.100 outlets, including the Public Security Bureau in the city of Turpan, or Tulufan as it's called in China.

01:06:40.860 China. Well, that's where concentration camps for those same Chinese Uyghur Muslims are located.

01:06:50.380 Why would Disney film there to begin with? And why would it so submissively give praise and thanks

01:06:58.380 to so many Chinese propaganda outlets and to the secret police there? Joining us now to talk about this

01:07:05.820 this is our friend Gordon Chang, a senior commentator on the subject. And I must recommend

01:07:11.340 that you follow Gordon every day on Twitter, which I do. He said Gordon G. Chang on Twitter,

01:07:19.340 and he joins us now via Skype. Gordon, the movie itself is not the story. Disney does a good job.

01:07:25.660 It's the striking and startling bending of the knee to the secret police of China. That's bizarre.

01:07:32.620 Yeah, this is horrific. Because as you point out, these are the same people who run concentration camps.

01:07:40.780 And as a part of China's minority policies toward the Uyghurs and the Kazakhs, it's not just detaining

01:07:47.580 1.3 million or perhaps as many as 3 million. It's also genocidal policies, institutional slavery,

01:07:56.140 officialized rape. This is horrific. And for Disney to film in that area was wrong in itself. And certainly

01:08:04.380 to thank them publicly just shows complicity with crimes against humanity.

01:08:09.100 I read an interesting story about this in the Washington Post by Isaac Stonefish. And he

01:08:16.620 reminds us that Disney got off side with China more than 20 years ago when it produced a film that was

01:08:26.620 sympathetic to the Dalai Lama. And that Disney for years tried to apologize, personally apologize to

01:08:34.220 the senior leadership of the Communist Party to win its way back into the heart of the Communist Party,

01:08:41.420 just like the NBA has, just like so many corporations have. And he posits that this is

01:08:49.340 Disney's way of saying sorry and thank you and will bend the knee to you and will never be disobedient

01:08:54.300 again. It suggests that this flourish of praising the secret police is a purposeful

01:09:02.060 bond with the Chinese Communist Party. I find that convincing. What do you think?

01:09:06.060 Well, that's certainly a convincing explanation. Now, we don't know Disney's motivation. Only people

01:09:13.340 on the inside of the organization do. But we can see what Disney does. And what Disney does is just

01:09:20.060 wrong. It's offensive to all of the ideals that Americans hold. Now, when you have companies that

01:09:27.500 do business in China, this is going to happen. And it really is up to the United, to the White House,

01:09:35.100 to establish policies that change the incentives for American companies. Because as long as they

01:09:41.660 can do business in Xinjiang or what the Uyghurs call East Turkestan, this type of stuff is going to happen.

01:09:49.420 I've seen Secretary Pompeo, the U.S. Secretary of State, get tougher and tougher with China, including

01:09:57.900 the most recent thing I saw was criticism and denunciation. And I'm not sure if there's

01:10:03.900 actually trade barriers to importing goods made by these slave labor camps. I need to brief myself

01:10:10.220 more on that. But it would be a shot across the bow of all of Hollywood if the Secretary of State or

01:10:17.580 some trade or commerce secretary were to say, if you film a film in Xinjiang that is not an

01:10:30.380 investigative journalistic piece, that will be treated as if you use slave labor to make masks.

01:10:36.940 I'm just brainstorming here. The thing is, Disney is almost taunting the United States and saying,

01:10:43.580 we've chosen sides here. Not only are we doing business with China, we will do business with the

01:10:49.500 Chinese security apparatus in Xinjiang. And this movie, which we hope to make a billion dollars,

01:10:55.420 is a product of that. Imagine if this movie were deemed, like I don't believe in censorship and I

01:11:01.100 don't want totalitarian control of the American economy and certainly not the expressive industries

01:11:06.540 like Hollywood. But this is a pretty dramatic flick of the nose to Americans and to Secretary Pompeo

01:11:14.140 by the Disney company. They're basically saying, we're going to do business with the worst people in

01:11:18.620 the worst place, try and stop us. Yeah, a couple of things going on here. So for instance,

01:11:24.460 even before the Trump administration, the United States had laws against the importation into the U.S.

01:11:30.300 of goods made with forced labor. And what the Trump administration has done is it's actually started

01:11:36.780 to enforce those laws because previous administrations often did not. Also, the Trump administration has

01:11:43.260 been sanctioning a number of entities in Xinjiang. And I think that a few more sanctions are going to be

01:11:51.500 imposed in the not too distant future on products coming out of Xinjiang. So we're moving in the right

01:11:57.660 direction. We obviously need to move faster. But this is, as you point out, controversial because

01:12:03.740 we're talking about the products of intellectual property, which always raise First Amendment and

01:12:09.420 other concerns. You know, it's tough because I know my kids are going to want to watch it. They don't

01:12:14.780 understand what a Uyghur is. They don't understand these issues. They just want to see the newest Disney movie.

01:12:21.900 And I'm sure it's the same with the NBA. People just want to see basketball. And all these

01:12:27.420 popular American cultural industries are lending their reputations to China in a way that we never

01:12:35.980 saw with the Soviet Union and in a way that we don't see with other rogue regimes like North Korea or Iran.

01:12:44.540 It's just China, because it's so economically dominant, every Western capitalist rushes to

01:12:52.460 make a deal. How do we decouple from that? How do we put some distance between us so they're not

01:12:59.660 actually turning our kids and our sports fans and our movie goers into passive allies of the Communist Party?

01:13:07.420 That's a great question. And I think you start with a number of measures that are already on the books.

01:13:14.780 So, for instance, we know that Nike has a three decade relationship with a South Korean supplier

01:13:21.580 who has a factory in Qingdao in the northeastern part of China, where Uyghurs work under forced

01:13:28.380 labor conditions, essentially slaves. And these are religious and ethnic and racial minorities.

01:13:36.620 So what we need to do is prevent the importation of goods by Nike into the US. That's going to start

01:13:43.740 to hurt. You know, in terms of the NBA itself, the comments that it made last year were craven.

01:13:52.860 And this is a more difficult issue. But the way to stop that would be for the President of the United

01:13:58.220 States to use his powers under the International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 to prohibit the

01:14:05.500 NBA from certain activities in China. Now, this is going to hurt the NBA. But given what's at stake,

01:14:12.780 and you well laid that out, I think that these are steps that we need to take. Because obviously,

01:14:19.260 we're talking about American values here. And we do not need to raise any more children

01:14:25.740 to believe in totalitarianism, slavery, genocide, and all the rest of it. And that's exactly what's

01:14:31.820 happening right now.

01:14:32.700 Yeah, especially in this current cultural moment where we're talking about the

01:14:38.060 slavery and racism of the past in America, this great national trauma. To turn a blind eye to it in

01:14:45.340 communist China is quite something. What do you think of this idea? And I know you're so busy,

01:14:49.820 you've got to run to do more interviews. We're always grateful when you stop by our place.

01:14:54.940 One way that a President could push back in a way that doesn't harm the First Amendment,

01:15:00.300 and that isn't really meddlesome, is to use the bully pulpit. I've seen Trump do that with other

01:15:05.980 cultural industries that get too woke, whether it's the NFL, or NBA, or I mean, he's not shy to speak

01:15:15.180 out and criticize. And maybe if the President, I mean, the trouble with that is America is so polarized,

01:15:21.180 whatever Trump criticizes, some people reflect reflexively defend just to be opposite of Trump.

01:15:27.100 But maybe what we need here is not bans or tariffs or, I don't know, some sort of sanctions, but to change

01:15:36.460 the way we talk about made in China, to denormalize it in general. And it's so ubiquitous, it's tough. But

01:15:45.180 to start to get people to say, oh, made in China, that's not a free place, is it? Why is it? And what are

01:15:51.420 the risks? Just to use the bully pulpit to change the reputation of stuff made in a dictatorship. Maybe that's too

01:15:59.580 loosey-goosey and too vague. But what do you think of that? Well, certainly. And President Trump and

01:16:06.460 certainly Secretary of State Pompeo have talked about China's human rights violations. Secretary

01:16:13.180 Pompeo dwelt on this in his July 23 speech at the Nixon Presidential Library, which is a landmark address.

01:16:22.460 So clearly the administration is along that path. But the administration can also use its emergency

01:16:28.140 powers to decouple the Chinese and the American economies. And President Trump has been talking

01:16:35.660 about that most recently in his Labor Day press conference, which I think was incredibly important

01:16:42.300 in some of the things that he said about China. So we're on this road, Ezra. We're not going to get

01:16:49.020 there as fast as I would like. But we have seen President Trump, unlike his predecessors,

01:16:55.340 tackle this issue head on. And we are making progress. Last question, just 10 seconds before

01:17:00.540 we go. Are there any Democrats you can name who are strong on this issue? It would be so

01:17:06.620 much more helpful if this was a bipartisan issue. Can you name a Democrat that's strong on this stuff?

01:17:13.340 Well, before this campaign, which is just warping many people's views, I would say Chuck Schumer,

01:17:21.660 the senator from New York, the minority leader in the Senate, and as well as House Speaker Nancy Pelosi,

01:17:27.420 they've had some very important things they've said about China. They haven't said them recently

01:17:31.900 because of the campaign, however.

01:17:34.620 Wow. Always an education. You've given me some homework. I'm going to go watch that speech at

01:17:38.540 the Nixon Center and I'll rewatch Trump's Labor Day press conference. Great to see you again. Thanks so

01:17:43.020 much for your time today. Thank you, Ezra. Well, it's our great pleasure.

01:17:46.860 My name is Ezra Levant, and I'm a Canadian journalist and author. Full disclosure, I'm a

01:17:52.220 skeptic of Justin Trudeau, Canada's Liberal Prime Minister. Last year, I wrote a book about him called

01:17:57.900 The Libranos. This year, I wrote a book about him called China Virus, how Justin Trudeau's pro-communist

01:18:04.700 ideology is putting Canadians in danger. But even I didn't know the half of that. I've never held a top

01:18:12.620 secret document in my hands before. This one is marked secret in so many places. In some parts,

01:18:18.380 it says Canadian eyes only. Other parts are marked five eyes only. That's the name of our intelligence

01:18:25.980 alliance amongst our closest allies. Canada plus the United States, the UK, Australia, and New Zealand.

01:18:32.700 I wonder what they're going to think of all this.

01:18:34.780 The China Files, as I call them, are 34 pages long. I didn't steal them or hack them, nor were

01:18:42.940 they leaked to me illegally. They were actually just given to me by Global Affairs Canada. That's

01:18:48.700 the official name of the Foreign Affairs Department. You can see the entire document, all the files for

01:18:54.540 yourself, at thechinaphiles.com. I'm making the whole thing available to you and to any other

01:19:01.340 reporters who want to report on this. Something tells me Trudeau's CBC state broadcaster is going

01:19:07.500 to skip this one, don't you think? The documents are not blacked out, as most secret documents are.

01:19:13.660 Normally, you can't read the interesting parts, but not these. They're all just slightly grayed out,

01:19:21.100 so you can still read them. In fact, if you assume that what's grayed out is the stuff they really don't

01:19:26.620 want you to know, it makes the reading even more revealing because you see what they really think

01:19:31.740 is sensitive. Now, there's nothing in here about Canada's military secrets. The grayed out parts

01:19:37.100 weren't trying to hide that stuff. They were trying to hide how submissive Trudeau is to China and what

01:19:44.300 he's trying to get our military to do. That's what's marked in gray, but not in black. By the way,

01:19:50.460 I would never put Canadian troops in danger. There actually is one source who was identified in these

01:19:56.940 papers who might be punished by China, so I blacked out that info. The rest, it's just politics that you

01:20:04.140 need to know. So, I don't know, maybe it was human error on the government's part to send this to me.

01:20:09.900 Maybe someone on the inside wanted the information to get out, a whistleblower perhaps, because I only

01:20:15.580 asked one very small question and they answered it with these 34 pages. Back in April of 2019,

01:20:22.700 I saw this story in a Russian state-run propaganda website called Sputnik.

01:20:30.780 Representatives from over 60 countries arrived in China for international naval parade. That's the

01:20:36.780 headline. I'll read a little bit. Representatives from the navy of 61 countries arrived in the Chinese

01:20:42.540 eastern port city of Qingdao in order to attend the international parade celebrating the 70th

01:20:48.780 anniversary of the Chinese People's Liberation Army, PLA Navy, Vice Admiral Shen Jinlong said.

01:20:58.860 And here's a tweet from the city of Qingdao showing some of China's naval might and different

01:21:05.260 countries coming to celebrate it. Now, I expected Russia to be there and China's African colonies,

01:21:12.220 but the sentence caught my eye. This one here. High-ranking representatives from Canada,

01:21:19.500 Germany, India, Mexico, Japan, South Korea, and the United States and the United Kingdom

01:21:23.820 are also in attendance at the event. Well, Canada was there and the U.S. too under Donald Trump.

01:21:31.180 I didn't believe it to celebrate China's military power. Actually, no. Here's the real story from

01:21:38.140 Business Insider. The U.S. is passing on sending ships to the Chinese navy's big 70th anniversary

01:21:45.980 parade in an apparent snub. Basically, America sent their top spy in China. Let me quote. The U.S.,

01:21:53.740 however, will only send a defense attache from the U.S. embassy in Beijing. Okay, so they sent a spy.

01:22:00.780 So what about Canada? Remember, look at the date on this Sputnik story. April 2019. So that was just

01:22:08.140 a few months after China took the two Michaels hostage. Did Justin Trudeau really send a celebration

01:22:16.060 delegation to cheer for communist China's navy right after two kidnapped Canadians were thrown in the

01:22:23.580 Chinese jail? I checked the websites of the Canadian embassy in China. They didn't say a thing about

01:22:29.820 attending this parade. No press releases out of Ottawa. So was it true what the Russian propaganda

01:22:36.220 website said about Canada? Was it partly true, like how the U.S. did send someone but it was really a spy?

01:22:42.620 Or was this just Russian propaganda? So we filed an access to information request as we do hundreds of times

01:22:49.500 a year asking for any documents that would shed light on the question. Of course, we thought such documents would be

01:22:55.820 redacted for national security secrets, but attending a communist parade is something we had the right to know.

01:23:03.340 Now, we heard back pretty quick they refused to answer our question before the 2019 Canadian election was over.

01:23:11.580 That's an illegal delay, but they do that all the time.

01:23:14.220 Well, the election is over, plus a year. And so now, 19 months after we asked the question,

01:23:21.980 we finally heard back from the government. And instead of just telling us about the parade,

01:23:28.060 they told us everything else too. You saw my question. It was about the navy parade.

01:23:33.740 Well, they sent me the entire calendar of events for the Canadian embassy in Beijing from April to December

01:23:40.540 of 2019. And it's all grayed out. I think they meant to black out the whole thing.

01:23:46.380 But look, April 22 to 25, PLA Navy 70th anniversary fleet review, Qingdao. They did indeed go. Canada sent a

01:23:56.780 colonel. That would have answered my question, but look at what else is on the calendar. All the

01:24:01.980 celebrations and parties that the Canadian embassy was having just months after the kidnapping of the

01:24:08.540 two Michaels in Beijing. You can see the calendar show that Catherine McKenna jetted into Hangzhou

01:24:15.340 for some global warming festival in June. What a horrific woman flying to China to party while two

01:24:23.020 Canadians were rotting in a Chinese prison. You'll notice that event in particular was under a dark

01:24:29.580 gray highlight. I can understand why they wanted to hide that. It's not a national security issue.

01:24:35.740 It's a national shame issue. The bureaucrats at Foreign Affairs knew it was disgraceful for McKenna

01:24:42.540 to fly to China to go to a party. And look, in October 2019, Canada sent a massive delegation

01:24:50.140 of Canadian Armed Forces personnel to participate in China's military world games in Wuhan. I'm serious.

01:24:57.500 114 Canadian athletes, 57 Canadian coaches. They're all from the military. I actually had to get those

01:25:04.540 details from the Chinese embassy. You see, the Chinese propaganda mission for nearly 200 Canadian

01:25:10.380 forces personnel, this whole games was just a propaganda exercise. That was kept secret by the

01:25:16.220 Canadian government. I had to learn about it from the Chinese government. Trudeau sent over a massive

01:25:20.300 delegation to show respect to China's army to be filmed for China propaganda movies, showing that China

01:25:28.060 so dominates the world that Canadian soldiers came to bend the knee even as China holds Canadians prisoner.

01:25:37.820 So you'd think that's all I would have been sent. The calendar. It answered my question. Was the Russian

01:25:44.620 propaganda correct? Did Canada send someone to celebrate China's navy? And the answer was yes. I

01:25:50.780 think it's telling that Trudeau hid that for 19 months and that we had to find out about it from

01:25:57.180 Russia. I think Trudeau knows he was doing something disgraceful and maybe the person who sent me these

01:26:02.540 documents agrees. So that's all I asked for. But here's what else I got. I got internal memos showing

01:26:10.220 how China is demanding that democracies back down on having any reference to human rights in trade

01:26:16.460 deals. Internal reports about how China is using its so-called belt and road initiative to colonize the

01:26:23.900 world to build a China-centric economic and political empire. How China is changing diplomacy itself,

01:26:31.900 replacing the idea of multilateralism, which is like the Knights of the Round Table where every country

01:26:37.740 equally deals with each other country, like at the United Nations. China is replacing that with

01:26:43.260 something China calls multibilateralism, with China in the middle of the world like a hub with a bunch

01:26:50.300 of spokes going to each other country. So no more international meetings like the G7, for example.

01:26:56.780 China-style meetings have China in the center and all other countries have to go through it to deal with

01:27:01.900 the others. That's interesting. Something else I learned was how badly the Canadian government

01:27:06.860 censors itself about China by looking at the sort of things that they wanted to block us from seeing,

01:27:12.860 the grayed out stuff, because they didn't want Xi Jinping to lose face. Canada is sticking up for the

01:27:19.500 Chinese president. Why are they afraid that Xi Jinping will see that they're calling out his censorship under

01:27:26.860 the great firewall of China? Why did they want to keep that hidden? And why is Trudeau trying to cover up the

01:27:34.380 fact that China is censoring Twitter? The Canadian government mentions an allegation by an NGO that

01:27:41.660 China is using smartphones to track Muslims in Xinjiang province. Why did they cover up the fact that the

01:27:48.620 Canadian embassy has, quote, seen this app in use at police checkpoints in Xinjiang? Why is Trudeau

01:27:56.620 literally covering up atrocities for China? There's enough in here for at least three other videos,

01:28:05.180 and I will do those in the days ahead and publish them on thechinafiles.com. It's just so much to go

01:28:13.340 through here. This document will take weeks to work through. So for the rest of this video, I want to

01:28:19.740 talk about just one thing, the most shocking revelation in it. These papers show an internal battle

01:28:25.820 within the Canadian government over how to deal with China in the wake of the kidnapping of the two Michaels.

01:28:32.060 On one side of this political battle is China, Trudeau, his pro-China ambassador at the time, John McCallum,

01:28:39.820 and senior bureaucrats, including this man, Ian Sugart, who used to run foreign affairs for Trudeau,

01:28:47.820 and who has since been promoted as Trudeau's top civil servant. His title is the chief of the Privy Council.

01:28:56.700 That's on the China side. And on the other side of this political battle is the Canadian Armed Forces,

01:29:01.580 the Department of National Defense, and our Five Eyes allies, including the U.S.

01:29:06.340 It's incredible. And folks, the China side seems to be winning. The battle I'm going to show you

01:29:14.260 centered on a memo that the Trudeau-China team was drafting to be signed by Ian Sugar telling the

01:29:21.460 military to obey them and to keep warm relations with the People's Liberation Army, even after the

01:29:30.820 kidnapping of the two Michaels. So all the bureaucrats were trying to tie down and tie up the Canadian

01:29:37.620 military, which was clearly disgusted by China and naturally wanted to stand with our real allies

01:29:42.900 instead. So the battle was over this memo. Memorandum for action, it says, and you see it's marked

01:29:50.580 Secret CEO. That means Canadian Eyes Only. So I'll go through it. Two, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs.

01:29:59.300 At the time, that was Ian Sugar. CC, IFM, OGM. That's an alphabet soup for the political affairs

01:30:06.980 branch and the Asia branch of foreign affairs. Subject, Deputy Minister level guidance from Global

01:30:13.940 Affairs Canada with respect to Department of National Defense, Canadian Armed Forces engagements with

01:30:19.860 China's People's Liberation Army. So I read out the acronyms there. So this is the memo put to the

01:30:26.740 deputy minister for him to sign. This is directing the army to play nice with China. Let me read the

01:30:33.220 contents of this memo. As you can see, I'm reading out the full acronyms because otherwise it's just

01:30:38.660 so many alphabets, letters. But it's hard to see this because of all the shading, the gray shading.

01:30:45.780 But you can read it all. You can go to our website, thechinafiles.com, and see the primary document

01:30:51.540 yourself. So I'll read some of it now for you. It's a little hard to see, but you can see it.

01:30:57.540 Summary. And note how this is 90% grayed out. On December 21st, so that would be in 2018, right after

01:31:05.460 the two Michaels were kidnapped, the Department of National Defense requested deputy minister level

01:31:11.060 guidance with respect to Department of National Defense, Canadian Armed Forces bilateral engagements

01:31:16.580 with China. Department of Defense, Canadian Armed Forces is reviewing its posture and commitments to

01:31:23.300 its engagements with the People's Liberation Army, in part due to Chinese response to the U.S. extradition

01:31:29.300 request for Ms. Meng Wanzhou and the resulting Canadian consular cases.

01:31:35.620 Stop right there for a second. Isn't it funny? This memo mentions Ms. Meng Wanzhou by name,

01:31:41.620 but won't even say the names of the two Michaels, won't even say they're prisoners, hostages really.

01:31:47.940 It's disgraceful the way they talk even in private in the government. But get this,

01:31:53.140 thus far the chief of the defense staff has unilaterally elected not to proceed with one

01:31:58.260 bilateral military activity training exercise planned for 2019, a winter survival training exercise.

01:32:07.380 China, People's Liberation Army, has not yet been informed of this decision.

01:32:13.940 I'm stunned. I'm serious. Did you know that Canada had a bilateral military training exercise with

01:32:22.900 China? Bilateral means one-on-one. It's just Canada and China there. And apparently we do a number of

01:32:30.100 these. So just Canada and China training together, our NATO allies not invited, the Americans who have

01:32:38.740 subsidized our Canadian national defense for decades throughout the Cold War, throughout the war on

01:32:44.180 terror, the Americans, our greatest friends and allies. We kick them out and we're hanging out with

01:32:49.700 China's soldiers instead. We're inviting China's soldiers to learn our military secrets. And now the

01:32:55.060 chief of defense staff wants to put one, just one, such exercise on hold, the cold weather warfare

01:33:02.100 session where we train China how to beat us in Canada, how we train China how to beat India in

01:33:08.580 their mountain battle that's been going on for months. The chief of defense staff thinks that maybe

01:33:13.540 we ought to put that on hold. And here's what the Trudeocrats write. They say,

01:33:17.620 While resolving the consular cases is the government of Canada's top priority. Again,

01:33:23.860 they won't say Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor's names. They just won't. While resolving the consular

01:33:30.660 cases is the government of Canada's top priority, ensuring a certain amount of continuity in other

01:33:36.420 parts of the Canada-China relationship remains important. Given the heightened scrutiny, any decision

01:33:42.740 by Canada to reduce or cut ties should be carefully considered to avoid sending any unhelpful or

01:33:49.460 unintended messages. So Trudeau and his staff are lecturing the army, don't you dare stand up for Canadian

01:33:57.540 values. Don't you dare stand up for two Canadians illegally kidnapped. You keep pretending everything

01:34:03.540 is just fine. That's an order. And that's what the rest of the memo is about. The bureaucrats

01:34:10.820 instructing the chief of defense staff that he is not allowed to cut any more joint programs with

01:34:17.540 the People's Liberation Army without Trudeau's permission first. Let me read some more.

01:34:22.420 In the interest of avoiding such a scenario, a letter has been drafted on your behalf for

01:34:27.140 Department of National Defense's Deputy Minister Thomas that will provide guidance consistent with

01:34:32.820 Canada's current approach to China. Look at that. If they really had blacked out the gray parts here,

01:34:39.460 you would have no idea what this is about. You know nothing. You wouldn't know that our army trains

01:34:45.380 the Chinese troops. You wouldn't know the army wanted to cancel only one of several joint training

01:34:51.620 sessions. And you wouldn't know that deeply enraged Trudeau and the whole liberal bureaucracy

01:34:57.620 who wanted to handcuff the chief of defense staff and force him to continue working with Chinese army

01:35:02.660 troops unless he was given explicit permission otherwise. So that's the cover letter to the memo.

01:35:09.460 And then they have their arguments. And I know this video is getting long, but frankly, it's all

01:35:14.580 leading to this. Look at this part. Look at the very, very dark part in paragraph two. I'll read it out if you

01:35:20.900 can't quite see it. The review is also driven by concerns expressed by the United States military

01:35:28.420 that at least one element of Canada-China military collaboration planned for 2019 risks unintended

01:35:36.900 and undesired knowledge transfer from Canada to the PLA. That's it. That's everything right there.

01:35:45.700 It's very dark, but you can see it if you look carefully. Look for yourself at thechinafiles.com.

01:35:53.060 Trudeau was making the Canadian Armed Forces give private military training to China

01:35:59.540 on a Canadian Forces base in Ontario. And America said, whoa, you're teaching him our secrets.

01:36:06.180 And instead of Canada saying, you're right, what are we thinking? The entire Trudeau government says,

01:36:12.100 yeah, you stupid Americans, we're with China now. That's what this memo means.

01:36:15.940 I mean, just ask our ambassador to China at the time, John McCallum. He's mentioned in these files.

01:36:22.420 Here he is when he was asked about Canada-China relations and on what terms.

01:36:27.620 Within 24 hours of arriving in China, I was invited to present my credentials to President Xi Jinping.

01:36:35.300 And I conveyed to him a message from our Prime Minister that can be summarized in three words,

01:36:41.780 more, more, more. Or in Mandarin, gung-dua, gung-dua, gung-dua.

01:36:46.500 You know, McCallum actually said Canada has more in common with China than with the United States.

01:36:52.660 He said that. So paragraph four repeats that the winter survival training course is cancelled,

01:36:59.060 but Trudeau was worried it would hurt China's feelings. Let me read.

01:37:04.740 Department of National Defense agreed that Global Affairs Canada would be consulted before this decision

01:37:09.780 is communicated to China in order to shape messaging in advance and account for ongoing sensitivities

01:37:15.620 in bilateral relations. Paragraph five is about the Navy parade in Qingdao, the one I was curious about,

01:37:22.500 and it's threatening the military. They can't make the decision on their own. They have to confer with Trudeau.

01:37:28.820 Paragraph six says that any changes between the Canada-People's Liberation Army relationship

01:37:33.940 must be approved by Trudeau's China-loving bureaucrats and diplomats first.

01:37:38.260 More, more, more.

01:37:40.340 Yeah, more, more, more is what they want. The memo basically says the same thing five more times.

01:37:46.020 But look at paragraph 15.

01:37:47.380 Should Canada make significant reductions in its military engagement with China,

01:37:53.380 China will likely read this as a retaliatory move related to the Meng Wanzhou case.

01:38:00.900 No, not Meng Wanzhou, you immoral cads. Michael Spavor and Michael Kovrig say their names.

01:38:07.060 We wouldn't be retaliating against China because we lawfully arrested a billionaire oligarch,

01:38:15.140 the CFO of Huawei, Meng Wanzhou, because she was accused of bank fraud.

01:38:20.020 And she's living the high life in Vancouver, out and about in that lovely city.

01:38:24.500 We wouldn't be retaliating for her. Imagine the person giving moral direction to our military,

01:38:32.820 worried about her. No, we're not worried about her. We're worried about the two Canadians that

01:38:35.780 were kidnapped by China. I'll keep reading.

01:38:37.380 This is not least because China has used reductions in military engagement with the

01:38:43.300 U.S. in recent years to signal its dissatisfaction with the U.S.-China trade relationship. Oh, so

01:38:48.900 China can pout by, say, cancelling port visits that U.S. Navy ships used to dock in Hong Kong. But Trudeau

01:38:58.020 is telling our military we're not allowed to do that to express our displeasure. And just in case

01:39:03.940 you missed it, they drafted a letter marked Secret CEO, which means Canadian eyes only,

01:39:11.860 that said this, Canada does not want to be the partner that is reducing normal bilateral

01:39:18.900 interactions. Yeah, we're not, buddy. They're the ones who kidnapped our citizens. We're not the ones

01:39:27.060 degrading the relationship. And more threats that the army had better check with Trudeau diplomats

01:39:32.020 before cancelling or reducing anything like the Winter Warfare training school. And then look at

01:39:36.820 the last two pages in the whole file. The last two pages of the memo, Annex II it's called, it's

01:39:44.500 marked unclassified because it's a list of engagements between the Canadian Armed Forces and China's

01:39:50.500 People's Liberation Army. So how could it possibly be classified? We're literally inviting an enemy army

01:39:57.220 to Canada to train with us. And yet they grayed out the first item. So you and I weren't meant to see

01:40:04.580 this, but China knows all about it, of course. PLA members participate in winter survival training

01:40:11.140 at CFB Petawala, Canadian Forces Base Petawala. Now it's small, it's not hundreds of soldiers,

01:40:17.860 it's six to eight personnel per country. But you only need one spy to learn our winter warfare

01:40:25.220 secrets. We actually invite six to eight Chinese spies to take notes and to study and to learn

01:40:32.660 everything. And they don't even have to do so secretly. We actually invited them to teach them

01:40:38.980 on purpose our secrets to fighting in the cold. And that's not all. PLA in Canada, military education

01:40:48.500 commanders dialogue. So we're teaching one star and two star Chinese generals how to properly train

01:40:55.140 their soldiers. Why are we doing that? And look at the next page. PLA members attend the Canadian

01:41:02.340 Security Studies Program at CFC Toronto. That's the Canadian Forces College. That's where we train

01:41:09.700 our top men and women. Now we're training China's top men. And we're inviting them right in there.

01:41:16.660 A couple of senior colonels, it says. They can't believe their luck. I mean,

01:41:21.940 whether they're planting listening devices or just making notes of people to corrupt,

01:41:26.340 why are we inviting the enemy into the place where we make our own soldiers?

01:41:30.740 soldiers. I'll read some more. There's a couple more at the military college in Kingston too. Do you

01:41:36.500 see that? And I didn't even show you all the sessions that Canadian soldiers are sent to do in

01:41:41.300 China, to teach China, to train China, and to be spied on by China in China. Did you know we were

01:41:49.320 doing any of this? Any of this? This memo is outrageous. It's outrageous for what it describes as

01:41:55.440 normal that we're giving one-on-one training sessions to our enemy's commanders. But even more

01:42:01.360 so that the moment the military says, oh, we should probably cool things off. We should gear down. Well,

01:42:07.760 you've got a full court press by Trudeau to not change a thing. That's the memo they're fighting

01:42:14.480 over. That's a lot of what the rest of these documents show. I'll invite you to read them for

01:42:18.320 yourself at thechinaphiles.com. But look at this. The bureaucrats are now fighting over this proposed

01:42:24.080 memo, right? Which is basically Trudeau telling the army to put China first. So they're battling

01:42:30.800 over the wording of the memo. So a Trudeau bureaucrat in charge of China policy named Nicola Payne writes,

01:42:39.200 we are in the process of reviewing the draft and had a couple of questions, comments.

01:42:44.400 And it's all grayed out because it blames America. I'm serious. Look at point two.

01:42:51.440 Our impression is that Department of National Defense, Canadian Armed Forces, reluctance to engage

01:42:57.240 with the People's Liberation Army is not solely related to Ms. Mung's arrest and the consular cases,

01:43:03.760 that there are other reasons behind their interest in disengaging. From our perspective,

01:43:09.600 it also perhaps to be related to a desire to be fully aligned with five eyes, particularly the

01:43:17.680 United States, whose approach has shifted under the Trump administration. We recall, for example,

01:43:24.480 back in December, Department of National Defense, Canadian Armed Forces were keen to cancel the

01:43:29.920 People's Liberation Army's participation in the winter survival training following the request

01:43:36.960 from the U.S. Department of Defense to do so. That's what DOD stands for.

01:43:42.480 So they're blaming Trump. They're saying only an idiot would stop training China in how to fight in

01:43:47.120 cold weather. This is a Trump thing. Just ignore it. I'm serious. That's the meaning of this.

01:43:53.040 So another bureaucrat named Antoine Nouveau writes back saying, I'll get back to you on that whole Trump

01:43:57.920 thing. Whether several five eyes countries have expressed concerns about knowledge transfer versus

01:44:05.280 the U.S. only. So they're trying to figure out, do they have to pay attention or not?

01:44:11.680 If it's just the dummies in the Trump administration who are worried about Canada teaching China our

01:44:17.680 cold weather warfare secrets, Trudeau's fine with it. If the Brits or the Kiwis or the Aussies don't

01:44:23.360 like it, maybe Trudeau will yield to them. That's exactly what this means. Now this goes back and

01:44:29.040 forth amongst various bureaucrats. It's pretty clear. If some other country were objecting to

01:44:34.880 Canada training the Chinese army, Canada would pay attention. But if it's just the U.S. that objects,

01:44:40.640 Trudeau doesn't care about them. Look, I've only covered maybe 25% of all these files. I'm going to do

01:44:47.520 more videos on completely different subjects in the days ahead. How Canada covers up China's spying

01:44:52.640 on Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang. How China uses the Belt and Road Initiative to undermine rival

01:44:58.240 diplomatic blocs and to neuter human rights concerns. On how Canada's bureaucrats are afraid

01:45:03.760 of offending Xi Jinping. Those are all important, but not as shocking to me as the revelation that

01:45:10.560 Canada has been training Chinese troops, colonels, generals, risking our military secrets. And Trudeau's

01:45:20.160 main concern is that we don't offend China by disengaging and that we don't act if it's just

01:45:27.600 the Americans who are worried. I've read and reread these memos again and again. What I don't see

01:45:34.320 is a single voice fighting for Michael Spavor or Michael Kovrig. Not a single voice promoting Canadian

01:45:42.800 values abroad. Not even promoting Canadian interests. I see bureaucrats who see America as the enemy

01:45:49.360 and China as the ally. Who think it's fine to participate in Chinese propaganda exercises, whether

01:45:55.200 it's the naval parade or the Wuhan military games. I actually didn't see a single national security

01:46:00.880 secret in this whole mess. But I did see a lot of politics that Trudeau and his team probably want

01:46:06.240 to keep quiet. And what I saw is that memo putting our soldiers on a leash. It was drafted for signature

01:46:15.280 by a man named Ian Sugart. He was the top bureaucrat at foreign affairs and it was his job to put the

01:46:22.480 military in its place. He's not there anymore because Trudeau just promoted him to be the top bureaucrat for the

01:46:31.120 entire liberal government. The chief of the Privy Council. He runs interference for Trudeau on every

01:46:37.680 file now. Whether it's on the WE charity fiasco or telling soldiers that they have to train their enemies.

01:46:45.520 How do you feel about what I've shown you today? If you're still interested and want to read more,

01:46:50.960 why not go over to thechinafiles.com. Read all the documents for yourself. I found it easier to

01:46:56.880 read the gray parts when I actually printed it out on paper. I've invited other journalists to study

01:47:02.000 this document too. I don't know how many will. Like Trudeau and Ian Sugart, the media party is

01:47:09.360 just fine with China. It's our military that they don't like. And the only thing they dislike more than

01:47:15.600 our military is America's military. Go to thechinafiles.com. See for yourself. And if you

01:47:23.120 appreciate the work we're doing here at Rebel News, please chip in a bit on the crowdfunding

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01:47:37.680 Well, that's our show for today. Thanks so much for watching. Until next time,

01:47:52.880 on behalf of all of us here at Rebel World Headquarters, good night. Keep fighting for freedom.

01:48:04.160 We'll see you next time.

01:48:09.120 We'll see you next time.

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