BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 16 ｜ Tamara Lich testifies
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Tamara Leach's testimony at the Public Order Emergency Commission of the Trucker Commission in Ottawa, Canada today. We discuss the day's testimony, the cross-examination, and what it means for our freedom in the 21st century.
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freedom in 2022 is your right to disagree with me anytime on anything in your heart online or in the
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public square freedom in 2022 is also your right to live your life however you see fit without
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hurting me or for that matter being bothered by me but freedom in 2022 is in very real danger
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under constant attack by Justin Trudeau through his censorship bills his attacks on gun rights
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his attacks on farmers and his attacks on peaceful protesters these people have even
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Oh good afternoon good evening everybody and welcome to the rebel news daily live stream something we're
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calling breakdown wherein we analyze the day's testimony heard at the public order emergency
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commission what we're calling the trucker commission here at rebel news you can find all of our coverage
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and support our independent journalism at trucker commission.com and .ca I'm joined tonight by my
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co-host who's normally based in Calgary but she's flown out to Ottawa she's in the Airbnb satellite studio as we call it
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Celine Gallus Celine how's it going today was your first full day covering the trucker commission what did you think
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it was a lot there was a lot there were so many testimonies and so many periods of cross-examination it was
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very very very interesting I know right now we just had the first half of Tamara Leach's testimony that will
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resume tomorrow morning um but prior to that uh listening to um James his last name is escaping me
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right now due to the enormity Bowder yes exactly um his in particular was very like to Mary Leach's he wears
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his yeah he wears his heart on his sleeve he's very passionate yeah yeah and then prior to that was Ben
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we'll get into all the nitty-gritty um but we've got some housekeeping housekeeping stuff to clean up
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that's why that's the five buck limit and we should also tell everybody about rebel news live it's
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coming up in Calgary November 19th and in Toronto sorry it's November 26th in Calgary and November 19th
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in Toronto it's sort of like our rebel convention you'll have all your favorite rebel personalities
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there as well as a host of freedom minded rebel adjacent friends you'll have a great lunch you'll
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get to see some great people maybe get your picture taken with Ezra Levant we've got Dr. Julie Panessi
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coming and I don't want to say that I have a favorite guest because it's a competition between Chad
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Williamson and Tamara Leach who is testifying today and she will be at both rebel news live events
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for tickets and times please go to rebel news live dot com and frankly I can't wait to see you there
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and every day that I look at that list my favorites change because the other day it was Ben Benkis
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so I guess it depends on my mood but there's something there for everybody
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now moving on to the testimony today I think we should start with I think what who everybody has
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been waiting for and that's Tamara Leach and she is the diminutive and I cannot use that word strongly
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enough tiny little Métis grandma from southern Alberta who is a lead convoy organizer and she spent
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49 days in jail for relatively my actually not relatively minor absolutely minor mischief charges
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stuff that she would never see the inside of a jail cell if she were convicted of everything but she was
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held at the hands of a vindictive and out of control prosecutor and she was politically persecuted
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they needed to make somebody pay for the inconvenience and traffic snarl happening in downtown Ottawa when
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thousands of truckers and their supporters converged on the city to protest COVID-19 mandates and lockdowns
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and they made her pay she was basically a political prisoner they didn't want to let her go I mean
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the testimony today if anybody who was ever on the fence about Tamara I think even if you hated the
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convoy you have to look at that woman and say she's no terrorist she's no criminal she shouldn't
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have spent a day in jail I absolutely agree with that 100 percent um it was it was tough it was tough
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because I met her in Ottawa um when we were there in the first couple days before we went back to cover
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coots and uh that was my impression of her then and that is my impression of her now more than ever her
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testimony the beginning of it um I think the the media room that I was in uh covering live tweeting all day
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today it went silent for maybe the first time today it was but I hope so her testimony yeah so while others were
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being slandered for their emotional outburst today in the media room Tamara Leach was not one of them
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because it had me on the edge of my seat um paying attention closer than ever all day today it was just
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Tamara Leach's testimony you know she I've met her a few times um we talk back and forth now and then
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and you know the first time I saw her get emotional I think it was on a Facebook live or she was just
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calling for peace and for calm but she doesn't have a vindictive bone in her body I would be
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so bitter and so angry and so full of righteous indignation and quite possibly vengeance she doesn't
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have any of that and you know there are a lot of people out there who are saying she's seditious
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she's treasonous she's a terrorist she's like four foot ten like she's just tiny and calm and
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in spite of everything that was done to her she she isn't angry in fact one of the things that
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she I found very compelling was um even when she realized that she would it would be best if she
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turned herself in instead of being like Pastor Archer in a high profile El Chapo style takedown on the
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street one of the reasons that she turned herself in was because she didn't want her family
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and the people around her to see her taken into custody you know and I thought even right at the
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end turning herself in knowing that they're probably going to make an example of her and she's absolutely
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absolutely right she thought um I don't want anybody's wife to see this I don't want anybody's
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husband to see what they're about to do to me and she recounted going and looking for the police
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so that she and I think that's uh Chris Barber went out looking to turn themselves in they went they
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warmed up and then they got in their car and they went looking for the cops and I thought you know
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some terrorist some public enemy number one that she didn't even want to inconvenience the people
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around her as she turned herself in for the long haul yeah no I was I was just watching that little
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clip that uh that was put up on the screen I can't imagine being in her shoes and having to to think
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from a perspective of how is my family going to deal with this how is my husband beside me going to deal
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with this if I'm arrested if there's a potentiality for him to be arrested the guilty by association
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narrative um I would be distraught so the fact that she could gather her thoughts enough and her emotions
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to put herself in an even more vulnerable and exposed position by seeking the police that had been
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brutal towards the convoy at that time is um definitely does not sound like a terrorist to me
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Sheila yeah um let's uh throw I think it's the last clip in the slack thread put there by Efron
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Olivia it doesn't have a number so I don't I can't call to the number but it is Tamara Leach
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remembering the night after the emergencies act was invoked so she knows now um she's public enemy
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number one and like a good terrorist she went and found the cops to turn herself in
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can you tell the commission uh what it was like to be arrested
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well it was again kind of ironic because I went down to the war memorial that day to
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attend the service that the vets were having there every day I spent my afternoon walking
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the streets with um a veteran as and my husband and Miranda one of the road captains um just
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talking to people and um I was aware the night before I'm sure you saw the video that it was
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most likely coming um or that there was a chance that I could be arrested
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and we went back to the hotel and within 15 minutes everybody's phones started blowing up and that Mr.
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Bulford and I were at the Swiss Hotel with um Mr.
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Tyson and we discussed what we should do what our next step should be and we were concerned that if they
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were starting to arrest the organizers that they would come to the hotel
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and my husband was there and Mr. Bulford's wife was there
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and obviously that was the last thing that I would ever want my husband to see was to me be arrested
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um we definitely didn't want that sort of activity occurring at the hotel with a woman who had been so
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kind to us actually who was about to lose her business until we showed up
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believe and still believe that we did an excellent job
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further to that testimony she's she talks about going out onto the street and actively looking for a
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police officer so that she could turn herself in and she tried to turn herself in once and it was
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unsuccessful and then they came back and picked her up um quite a seditionist criminal we all saw there
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I hope there's a lot of people um who are realizing just how absolutely ridiculous they were every
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time they said something cruel or unkind about this woman she had just had enough in fact there's she said
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because she used to be involved in the maverick party which is
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I don't want to call it a western separatist party but a western independence party whatever that might look like
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and she said that going to Ottawa on the convoy changed her heart about Canada that
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she wanted to fight for Canada instead of build up a firewall like people like me in Alberta want to do
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she said she's learning French now because she sees this as a unifying thing even in spite of her arrest
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and in spite of the fact that she's being called names by our prime minister
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she feels herself to be more of a patriot than a western separatist
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it's really hard um it's just very hard to imagine um that so many people would have such a false
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narrative about this woman and the fact that it's ongoing like like there's for instance a great
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instance actually there's been a singular protester outside of where these proceedings are being held
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she got there literally seconds before William and I did actually and she was there when I left to come
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back here and she yelled and screamed and said that everybody who passed her was a terrorist a sexist
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and a misogynist and a misogynist and when Tamara Leach came out earlier to just take a little breather
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I'm sure just go she didn't even go and talk to anybody in particular she just she just kind of took
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her space that woman immediately started screaming in her direction calling her a terrorist calling her
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a racist it was enough so you can tell people like that despite the fact that there's so much effort
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going into destroying the image of someone someone like Tamara Leach like there's just there's no
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point there's no point why why I don't understand it it just if someone is going to say that she's
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dangerous and that she's a terrorist and and there there's people out there that will just yell and
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scream at the top of their lungs for hours on end she she did not leave once I think that's
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that's a lot worse than anything that I I think Tamara could be called I mean it's it's right there
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it's right in the open you know I suggested to William to go ask that lady why what makes her
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protest valid but not the truckers the scale I guess the support um if she's allowed to protest
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and scream and yell and speak her mind on a street corner so is everybody else just so happens the
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truckers are a little bit better at it than that uh wild-eyed lunatic on too much CBC you know there's
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a reason why there are people who come and abduct cult members out of a cult and take them out of it
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and isolate them uh and I think if that woman were in a cult and she just might be she would be one of
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those people that you would need to abduct out of it and they would be angry at the abductor for a
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long time until the deprogramming comes out she's one of those people because everything she knows
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none of it matters because she has this belief system that the truckers are racist misogynist
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sexist sexist homophobic whatever and her cult leader Justin Trudeau told her so it's okay
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no the cognitive dissonance does go so far that it's like uh individuals that present the same
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uniting front as her it's like they're having like like it doesn't compete like they just literally
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break down yeah so I went up and I asked her um what her definition of a terrorist was
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and she just yelled and screamed over me and didn't acknowledge my presence except for when I was
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leaving to go and um have lunch like a normal person and um that was it that was about the
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interaction it was great yeah I've actually have a great deal of pity for that woman but I'm reliably
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informed by the busy bodies in Ottawa that they don't like disruption on their street so someone
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should go and seize that crazy person's bank account um let's go to let's go to uh clip two um
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I think this is Tamara Leach explaining the impetus for her involvement in the convoy because it was
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deeply personal for her it wasn't just you know I want to tag along with this movement we heard some
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of that over the last couple of days people who just wanted to make a name for themselves um that
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wasn't her uh impetus at all it was very personal uh had to do with her family and she just didn't know
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what else to do yeah because I was seeing families torn apart
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the suicides in my hometown were so numerous that they stopped reporting them
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um elderly people were dying by themselves in long-term care facilities
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and saying goodbye over ipads my grandma is 94 years old and she was locked in her little apartment
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by herself for two years my father is a very social man he is the coffee row saskatchewan
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father and I remember him telling me one day that he went down to the local restaurant that he went to
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every single day and these are small towns where everybody knows everybody and he was asked to leave
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and I didn't want my children and my grandchildren to live in a world like that
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it's hard to capture a moment like that when it's so raw and the reality of it is is so it's so unshakable
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you know she's she's talking and she's going over those things and I'm sitting there recollecting all
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the ways that I saw people treated in the same manner that my family that myself my friends were treated in the
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same manner yeah I know it my mom died alone in a hospital room because they could only let one of
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us in and it wasn't me my brother was there first uh my kids were not able to go to her funeral because
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of the stupid restrictions on our catholic church that seats 800 but we could only have 10 people
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in for her funeral mass we had to draw lots to see who could be in that
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enormous church where my kids were baptized where my family was married where every important thing
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that ever happened in our life we couldn't be a part of saying goodbye to my mom so I understand why
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Tamara got mad enough to go she didn't want this world for her kids or her grandkids or her parents
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or her grandparents she did something when all of us well not all of us but a lot of people
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just stood around and complained she actually did something um and actually that should bring me to
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clip one because uh Tamara she talks about how she wasn't even sure that she would achieve anything
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she wasn't even sure that they would even get to odd one after I listened to some testimony of some of
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the other convoy involved people I'm like yeah it was kind of a miracle you people got there
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with your like angry feuding factions of the convoy but um she wasn't sure but again instead of just
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complaining she actually did something um and I think as the convoy rolled through the country
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you could see the mandates were falling Saskatchewan convoy hit Saskatchewan Saskatchewan's like no we don't
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have a vaccine passport anymore don't convoy me bro exactly so uh so you know it was quite effective
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um let's go to clip one thanks how did you get involved in the freedom convoy a friend of mine
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sent me mr barber's tiktok video uh where he was calling for a shutdown on the 23rd of january um
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she sent me that video and I I watched it and I texted her back right away and I said well what do
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you think about possibly another convoy to ottawa and she kind of laughed and said well it you know
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it didn't really accomplish much I mean it was great to see the crowds come together but could
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they just slow down a bit please sorry yes later yes sir uh and um and then I'd reached out to another
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friend and I asked him the same thing and uh we just sort of came to the same conclusion that we weren't
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sure if that was an idea that was that would be successful uh a friend of mine or an acquaintance
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of mine from red deer that was involved in the united re-roll gave me mr barber's phone number
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and I contacted him on january the 13th and we discussed I can't really remember the details of
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the conversation I do remember um that I said I'm here to help you in any way I can my background is
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logistics and organization and administration and you are going to need social media and you're going
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to need some funding and if I can help you at all I'd be happy to do that
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freedom in 2022 is not sitting idly by while health diktats with no skin in the game make up all the
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i changed my mind maybe my favorite speaker is going to be david menzies as long as he leaves the
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hi william how's it going i know it's been a very long day for you um covering the trucker commission
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what did you think about tamara leach's testimony today i thought it was heartfelt i thought that the
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commission lawyer because that's who she's examined by she starts cross-examination i think tomorrow
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um what did you think about how the commission lawyer approached her uh we saw commission lawyers
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be pretty testy um with the likes of james bowder but i think he was very like i think you realize you
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can't push a tiny woman and save face like that yeah no for sure well first of all good evening
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sheila good evening uh selene it's nice to see you guys i still you know i just came back from the
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commission i still have my my accreditation badge on um definitely a very emotional testimony
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by tamara leach i was in the room while she was giving her testimony me and kian we left the
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media room and went to the public room to see her in person and yeah the crowd was definitely emotional
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uh it was emotional to to hear everything that she went through simply for freedom her daughter
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she didn't want her daughter to be associated with her imagine i know that you're a mother imagine how
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it must feel to want to not want your daughter to be associated with you to be afraid teenagers they
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don't want anything to do with i got teenagers they don't really want anything to do with
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to see to see to see your your daughter you know to be afraid for for your daughters be afraid for
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yourself hearing her talk about the way she was arrested in ottawa by the police it was it was such
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an emotional an emotional moment it must have been really hard for her to give all that recollection i
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think we saw that she she felt she she started crying in the stands um i think it was a good testimony
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but i think it was a heartfelt deep felt one and not only that i do recall
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sorry can we just i just want to point something out do you see how tiny she is
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keith wilson's an average size guy maybe he's like six feet tall look how small she is
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yeah she's not even up to his shoulder eva chippyuk and i are probably the same size
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look how tiny tamara is she's the woman that scared justin trudeau so much that he hit the nuclear
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button of the terrorism law the emergencies act what a delicate fragile fragile man justin trudeau is
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yeah no one hundred percent i mean everything was peaceful we keep seeing that for the past weeks
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the whole freedom conway was peaceful not once was the right act invoked which means that it wasn't an
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illegal protest we keep seeing recollection from the police from the opp from everyone saying that it was a
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peaceful protest not a single actual act of violence being presented in front of the commission we said
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it was peaceful and justin trudeau still decided to invoke the emergency act to get that grandmother
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from alberta arrested because she dared to defy his authoritarian leadership
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go ahead selena i'm sure you have something to say
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uh no i just i honestly just want to laugh a little bit because yeah he must be very afraid of
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five four grandmas that go and want to help people and bring people together in the name of unity and
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peace and love and be able to provide to these people by being responsible about the donations that
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were provided through the gofundme and the other one through all the cryptos as well all those campaigns
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i mean to take the responsibility to go and make sure that all your ducks in a row dealing with
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like thousands of people and millions of dollars she covered her bases if you ask me but no he's
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gonna sit there and he's gonna he's gonna call foul play and he's gonna call in a counter-terrorist act
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in order to put a stop to a bunch of people in hot tubs and bouncy castles
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do you know what that's a great uh segue into clip three because justin trudeau is fragile so fragile that
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he would call people he never bothered to speak to names apropos of literally nothing um so why don't
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we should throw to clip three this is tamara talking about what she felt as her prime minister is calling
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her a racist sexist yeah i was becoming increasingly alarmed listening to my prime minister call me a racist
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i found his rhetoric to be incredibly divisive and i'm i'm a believer that if you're a leader of a country
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you have to lead all of your people even if you don't agree with them and i i just saw so much
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coming across canada every day i heard stories people at least three people would tell me they
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were planning their suicides until we started the convoy or stories of people that we were too late
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i heard from families that were living in their vehicles because they lost their jobs i heard from
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people that had lost their jobs and lost everything
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i have the tears of thousands of canadians on my shoulder
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who every day told me that we were bringing them hope
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i saw little old ladies praying on their knees on the side of the road and i saw little children
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holding signs saying thank you for giving me back my future
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you know i look at her and the way she talks about carrying the weight of all these people on her
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shoulders reminds me of jordan peterson when he gets emotional when he's talking about helping young
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men and he gets emotional because he's just taking on this burden he knows he has to help people he
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doesn't know if he can but how do you say no and i think that's sort of the situation that she felt that
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she was in you know every day they got closer to ottawa the crowds got bigger she heard more stories
00:30:32.360
and uh she still carries that weight obviously i think her coming out of the commission building
00:30:38.680
today symbolize basically what you're talking about right now and what we've been seeing the past
00:30:44.200
months there was probably a crowd of 50 people 50 plus people outside the commission waiting for her
00:30:49.640
clapping for her as she was coming out encouraging her showing her love and then on the other side
00:30:55.080
of the road you had this one lady who's always there yelling at her yelling at her lawyers yelling at
00:31:01.640
chris barber yelling at danny balfour saying that they are terrorists calling them names i think it's
00:31:07.640
i think it reminds me of the convoy you have justin trudeau the one person calling them names
00:31:12.920
calling them that they're terrorists telling them that they shouldn't be they shouldn't be accepted
00:31:17.560
they should be dealt with and then on the other side you have the whole people who are participating
00:31:22.760
the freedom convoy showing them love um i think the clip that we just saw was one of the many
00:31:28.040
emotional clips of the night where it's merrily she spoke from her heart and really was honest and i
00:31:34.360
i think it felt good for her finally being able to talk about all of this because her bail conditions
00:31:39.640
don't allow her to talk that way unfortunately that's that's the kind that we're living in right now
00:31:45.880
absolutely a hundred percent and like especially for me the fact that the entire time through this
00:31:52.760
entire commission the the narrative is that they tried so hard to have anybody from the government
00:32:00.360
pay attention and speak with them and now she finally has the opportunity to have not just them
00:32:06.280
listening but everybody else as well and it's impressive to me that she's been able to hold
00:32:11.560
back for so long with bail conditions such as the ones that she has isn't it fascinating that justin
00:32:18.120
trudeau fancies himself to be a male feminist which is always um i use that phrase interchangeably with
00:32:25.320
future molester but um isn't it funny how he fancies himself to be this supporter of women's rights and
00:32:33.240
strong powerful women and every single woman who stands up to him he smashes back down he did it to
00:32:42.600
our former ag he did it to selena chavez boy i forget her name she doesn't like us but i don't care i
00:32:53.640
don't take anything personally um from bc yes that's right rose knight from bc and now tamara leach the
00:33:02.440
woman who inspired a nation but not just inspired a nation inspired a movement around the world
00:33:10.920
convoys were happening in holland the united states australia and what did he do he used the
00:33:18.680
most powerful tool of the government to put her back in her place and good for her she refuses to
00:33:26.120
capitulate she's holding strong she she just won't back down good for her and he he tried to divide the
00:33:33.960
country as well you know he he used divisive terms he used divisive pejorative language and that's that's
00:33:40.040
one thing that also came up to mind when i was hearing tamara leach testify you know before she would
00:33:44.600
work with an independence party in alberta right she would work with i believe the mob the maverick
00:33:49.800
party or maybe the wexit maverick yeah we talked about it before you were back we talked about
00:33:53.960
you back yeah so so she worked with the maverick party and then she decided not to work with them
00:33:58.280
because she saw that quebecers were not quite different from alberta and just to put that as an
00:34:04.840
just to show the comparison instead of wanting a divided canada she wanted to she wanted a united canada
00:34:12.280
and to the contrary the prime minister who's supposed to represent every single canadian from
00:34:17.560
coast to coast to coast wants to divide canadians and this grandmother who's not in politics whatsoever
00:34:25.480
wants to unite the country yep now uh that would let's move to ben dichter and the only reason i'm
00:34:34.840
moving to ben dichter and away from tamara leach is just something that he said um i realized that there's
00:34:40.920
been a falling out with several people within the convoy they sort of yeah they sort of went into
00:34:48.520
their own corners after first lawyers get involved um and i'm not saying that was a bad thing they
00:34:55.400
definitely needed legal advice but they also needed to practice a little bit of political and social
00:34:59.880
hygiene they needed to get rid of some of the people who just couldn't control their mouths pat king
00:35:05.560
um and uh james bowder who wrote that crazy crazy mou about i guess subverting parliament and having
00:35:17.160
some sort of panel of canadians i don't know who would choose them um maybe james i don't know and
00:35:24.040
going around parliament and dealing with the senate so unelected people here and elected people over
00:35:29.480
there we're gonna call it democracy i don't know but anyways he was he published that you know they
00:35:35.880
wanted to distance themselves away from i guess somebody who is advocating for i'm not saying an
00:35:42.120
overthrow of the government but just a complete and total rewrite of our constitutional democracy
00:35:47.320
um but anyways um so they're they were sort of distancing themselves you see falling out with
00:35:53.320
one of the other convoy early convoy organizers uh bridget belton um and he i think they've
00:36:00.840
completely fallen out with ben dichter um i i saw yesterday that keith wilson tamir's lawyer has said
00:36:07.800
we need an accounting of the crypto we don't know what happened to it and and ben's never produced
00:36:12.760
that at least according to keith i don't know um if ben would talk to us i'd love to ask him um but
00:36:19.400
even he said that she's not extreme she's just a practical grandma so why don't we i think that's
00:36:26.840
uh clip six learn about misleachist politics what was she trying to do what was she hoping to achieve
00:36:33.880
what was her interest you know what i don't know it's really interesting because she's she's really
00:36:38.040
practical and um i wouldn't call her extreme to any side i would say she's i don't like the labels
00:36:46.200
it's the problem uh so the political spectrum thing i would call her maybe very center right
00:36:53.640
if we're going to use that antiquated um definition which i don't think is accurate but she's very very
00:37:00.600
pro you know she's no i know i'm very libertarian on social issues and she's the same way so we we
00:37:09.960
so even in spite of their big falling out which i don't know why they feel i there's a lot of palace
00:37:15.400
intrigue and like i said the more i listen to some of the convoy factions talk the more i'm
00:37:20.280
surprised they ever got to ottawa although they are less disorganized than the ops i'll give them
00:37:26.920
i'll give them that um but even he said you know like she's just practical she's not radical she's
00:37:31.720
completely normal she's um a libertarian on social issues and you know like she's not
00:37:43.640
a hundred percent um i think it's very apparent that there's been a falling out and i don't think
00:37:48.440
i realized how much there's been a falling out until i've seen i'm i'm pretty sure this is true
00:37:54.440
all the freedom uh convoy organizers have answered a question from you is that right up until today
00:38:00.280
no because there are some that juts through bail conditions they're not allowed to well
00:38:05.000
there's not a lot to answer questions ben dicter as well well ben dicter doesn't have
00:38:09.400
bail conditions he just refused to to answer my question today not ben dicter sorry chris yeah
00:38:14.040
that's what happens when you spend a whole day at the inquiry and you take two coffee
00:38:19.960
but yeah chris barber is not allowed to because he does he has bail conditions but i was able to speak
00:38:24.040
with some of us but of course otherwise i believe that these individuals would definitely answer some
00:38:28.360
question from some independent media such as us such as rebel and um ben dicter that was really
00:38:35.560
interesting to watch there was such an undertone of sarcasm in his testimony that i could yeah hostile yes
00:38:43.480
yeah no and i just i didn't i don't i don't have an account of seeing that from any of the other um
00:38:51.320
freedom convoy uh testimonies thus far yeah and i think you know i was able to speak with jim jim
00:38:56.840
carol halios after ben dicter's uh testimony and i was able to have a quick interview which is by the
00:39:03.320
his lawyer right yeah also jim carol halios yeah he he's the the co-founder with melinda carol halios
00:39:09.640
and the leader of the new blue party he also studied law i believe at the university of ottawa which is
00:39:14.280
right right next to here and he's a lawyer so he was the counsel for ben victor during ben
00:39:19.960
dicter's testimony but he wasn't given standing so he's not allowed to cross-examine the other
00:39:24.120
witnesses he's not allowed to be present throughout the whole inquiry room but in any
00:39:28.280
regard i was able to get a quick interview with him which is going to come out tomorrow and yeah
00:39:33.640
honestly both tom keith and ben dicter the two sides give two different versions of the story i think they
00:39:43.640
they don't seem to recall the events the exact same way and i think ego definitely played a part
00:39:49.720
in this division yes and i wonder how much of it is palace intrigue i know that they started to
00:39:56.600
distance themselves from certain convoy organizers and i know for a time ben was doing comms and
00:40:01.640
i'm only speculating here but maybe they quit communicating with ben because they didn't think
00:40:06.520
he was doing a good job of comms and i might suggest that that is true considering he went on rt
00:40:11.880
which is russian state television to troll cbc and i'm not sure that's a great comms strategy when
00:40:22.440
cbc is already accusing you of being kremlin backed so i i i don't know i don't know again i don't know
00:40:29.400
what happened there i'd love to ask uh ben but he won't take a question from us um and we would love to
00:40:36.600
yeah i mean we we talked to tom marazzo we talked to keith wilson who's doing a lot of speaking on
00:40:42.600
behalf of tamara leach and the other convoy organizers who can't we want everybody to be
00:40:47.560
able to have their say we want the p the public to sort it out um and so again uh let me extend
00:40:55.400
this offer right now to ben dichter if he's watching just take some questions from our guys we
00:41:00.920
won't edit it we won't chop it that's not what we do we just want to ask you some questions the
00:41:05.240
same way we do everybody else yeah well i think in all fairness so i was able to get an interview
00:41:09.480
with jim and he was able to tell me uh ben's jim's great it would be great yeah it would be great to
00:41:14.280
have ben's ben's own accounts of what his view of the convoy what his view of the organization and
00:41:20.920
tom marazzo and keith wilson is yeah and we like jim carahelios jim's great i like belinda i like jim i
00:41:29.000
like kind of how prickly they are they don't like being told what to do um i like how feisty they are
00:41:34.920
um so i mean obviously they have a feisty client um but yeah i mean we just we just want to ask
00:41:40.840
questions and uh the good news is i don't take anything personally um why don't we go to clip
00:41:46.760
nine because um i alluded to this person before it's james bowder he's with canada unity he was
00:41:54.040
an early convoy organizer he's the guy who is responsible for the crazy mou that the media then
00:42:01.720
took and used to paint the entirety of the convoy is oh you're all trying to overthrow the government
00:42:06.920
and said tamara and tom were like what um but anyway um he was on the stand today and it was a
00:42:13.160
little bit more like a therapy session and again it's because these people have been silenced for so
00:42:19.320
long that and they've never been able to speak and they can speak in this commission without having
00:42:25.800
their words used against them um and there was a point at which i noticed the government lawyers
00:42:32.600
were sort of probing him on his um political ideology which that's not what this is about
00:42:38.600
they were sort of asking him like do you believe nine do you believe 9 11 is an inside job why are
00:42:43.240
you sharing q and on blah blah blah blah i'm thinking but this is not a thought crime commission
00:42:49.400
uh comrade this is about justin trudeau and you're allowed to hold crazy ideas ask me about aliens it's
00:42:57.560
not illegal in this country to have crazy viewpoints it's when your crazy viewpoints turn violent then
00:43:03.960
we've got a problem but they didn't even break a window there so um i just thought that was peculiar
00:43:10.040
that they were trying to discredit james bowder because i don't know maybe he's into q anon i don't
00:43:15.080
care i know that obviously he's into homemade lawyering that's what i learned about james
00:43:19.240
bowder today um but uh let's go to clip nine because regardless again deeply emotional um
00:43:27.320
whatever his motivations are he could not stand idly by why while people were discriminated against and
00:43:33.080
maybe his viewpoint of our uh you know our constitutional monarchy is a little bit skewed but
00:43:39.800
again not illegal not terrorism uh let's go to clip nine let's just stay calm please i'm no i know
00:43:47.480
you're you're emotional and that and that's understandable but if you try and just keep it
00:43:53.000
down no i don't apologize i don't have to apologize i will just i will calm down just just this is
00:43:57.800
emotional when we see our government completely violating all the laws i understand there's where do
00:44:04.280
we turn to the senate is our last hope and that's what's in their paychecks and their job descriptions
00:44:15.320
there are plenty of times where he was it was bizarre right guys he was calling for his own
00:44:20.360
evidence like usually you just the other witnesses sit there and then they show them evidence and then
00:44:25.160
they ask him question about the evidence and he's like got like got his list of evidence that he wants
00:44:30.200
to talk about it was really weird what was it like being in the room yeah well i think as you stated
00:44:36.120
earlier you know having different political beliefs is not a reason to invoke the emergency
00:44:39.640
i can work here you know the name of the inquiry is the emergencies act inquiry we're here to figure
00:44:45.960
out whether or not the use of the emergency act was justified and hence necessary and someone's
00:44:52.840
political belief whether or not someone believes in 9-11 whether or not someone believes in ghosts or
00:44:58.600
or wearing shoes as a matter of fact it has nothing to do with the commission the commission is to
00:45:04.680
figure out so paul champ asking him questions about his political beliefs i think i think to a certain
00:45:11.320
degree he was trying to paint him as someone who is not choice worthy he was trying to do character
00:45:17.320
assassination and i think that was his goal because otherwise why on earth would you ask someone
00:45:24.200
whether or not he believes in 9-11 when your goal is to figure out whether or not the protest was
00:45:28.200
peaceful 100 percent agreed he literally said yes to going back and doing another period of
00:45:34.280
examination just to tear james bowder apart some more i was like who like who gave the okay well
00:45:41.960
i know the commissioner gave the okay but like it just it goes without signs like i thought it was
00:45:45.960
quite apparent what was happening it's paul chang yeah yeah yeah there you go that's didn't it didn't he
00:45:53.480
didn't you ever run in with him the first couple days yeah yeah yeah paul champ of tax tax the rich
00:46:02.280
sticker on his laptop i'm like god you're a ottawa lawyer you're the rich like you're the guy like
00:46:09.960
you're the guy you're fighting but you're in court or the commission cross-examining blue-collar
00:46:16.280
people you want blue-collar people to pay for all of this when they rose up against the rich elites
00:46:22.440
isn't that weird um yeah like the james bowder's testimony i i mean he's he's wrong sincere passionate
00:46:31.880
wrong like wrong about how canada works but again being wrong is not a crime being a little bit out
00:46:40.280
there is not a crime like encrypted not a crime i'm throw me in jail but i mean he he was it was really
00:46:49.960
weird though because the judge to his credit i thought was very patient with him let him go off
00:46:58.120
on his little tangents let him call for his own evidence which was weird um and was very patient
00:47:05.960
with him when he got emotional because he did get emotional a few times um like when he tried to take
00:47:11.720
credit for convoys across the world and he was he said thank you or something um it was strange but
00:47:19.160
i got to give credit to justice rouleau and i was not convinced that he would be fair and even-handed
00:47:24.040
but he is really respectful of how sincere these people are yeah i think judge rule is a fair judge
00:47:32.120
i think we've seen this throughout the commission in the beginning some people did have
00:47:35.080
doubts about him because yeah because he's someone who had in a certain way ties with the liberal party
00:47:42.680
we saw that come up even throughout the commission but i think once again as i mentioned when we're
00:47:47.800
talking about peter slowly your political beliefs and your personal beliefs don't necessarily impact
00:47:53.960
the way you do your job and i think we're seeing that with judge rule i think he's able to be extremely
00:47:58.680
fair he's able to be extremely impartial and i'm honestly extremely glad to see that happening
00:48:03.400
i have nothing to add i agree with exactly what you just said regarding rouleau yeah i i think it's
00:48:10.040
i think it's tough to deal with people that are like really deep into their emotions and
00:48:13.880
to be honest from my perspective i think that when um bowder was was thanking them you know or
00:48:20.120
taking credit so to speak for you know the inspiration that we saw across the world i think it also
00:48:25.240
just points to the enormity of the burden that some of these organizers felt that rested on their
00:48:30.120
shoulders yeah rightly or wrongly they took credit for things they didn't do um let's uh let's uh go back
00:48:41.400
to ben dichter for a second um because he's not charged with anything though he was um i i don't know if
00:48:53.080
he's an organizer but he was part of the communications team of the convoy and not just a protester he had
00:49:00.520
sort of an official capacity as anybody can have an official capacity in a completely organic movement
00:49:05.000
where just people came together and then now i guess they've all come apart again um but uh
00:49:11.160
he wanted to stay it sounded like so when which i found odd because the people who were obviously
00:49:19.320
negotiating an end to the occupation um and there's a paper trail to reflect that um
00:49:27.720
those are the ones that got charged with mischief which is weird but ben dichter didn't get charged
00:49:31.800
with anything and it sounds like he wanted to stay because he was sort of upset that they were
00:49:36.760
negotiating um or when he found out that they were sort of negotiating an end to the occupation
00:49:43.480
but then all of a sudden the police got violent and he's like we got to get out of here i think it's clip
00:49:48.600
we could help influence people more but that's not a guarantee and that actually came up on the 18th
00:49:58.680
when the road captains came into my hotel after a trucker had guns drawn out him as they smashed his
00:50:06.520
windows the police pulled guns on him arrested him in the snow uh tamara had been arrested chris had
00:50:12.280
been arrested the road captains came into my uh room there seemed to be i don't know if a lack of
00:50:17.800
leadership but maybe a lack of decision making or they needed just another head to bounce ideas off of
00:50:23.320
and they told me the story and i said okay well i'll support what you guys want to do
00:50:31.320
but if you're asking me if the police are getting violent maybe it's time to leave and to my surprise
00:50:39.000
the first person to pipe up was bridget and she said we can't let people get hurt we need to leave
00:50:44.520
and then joe did the same thing and all the other road captains that were sitting on my bed and
00:50:53.320
it's weird sounds like he was a decision maker so i wonder why he didn't get charged
00:50:58.760
i also believe that at this time he was in a wheelchair due to that car accident so i can't
00:51:04.920
imagine anyone would really want to stay for a prolonged duration in such cold weather like such cold
00:51:12.200
weather and the extreme circumstances that they were under while in a wheelchair i'm i'm confused
00:51:17.880
right that responsibility fell on his shoulders yeah no i think there's a lot of confusion throughout
00:51:24.360
i agree with what selene said she's truly expert in what exactly happened today she was the one like
00:51:29.960
tweeting doing all the hard words they following everything super closely uh yeah that was an excellent
00:51:35.400
job many coffees many coffees um and let's just before we go um if someone could if we have any
00:51:46.120
chats that we need to do could you put them in the thread please thank you olivia or efron or whoever's
00:51:51.960
doing that let's just go to the one last thing because um there's a lot of talk about well what happens
00:51:59.800
to what happened to the money um and uh they were not able to disperse it and tamara addresses that
00:52:09.000
in um i i don't know what uh what uh clip it is but uh i'm sure you you can find it olivia
00:52:17.960
in that same report i won't turn it up but uh it indicates that uh most of the one million dollars was
00:52:24.440
was frozen and you weren't able to withdraw it from the account is that correct that's correct
00:52:28.520
do you recall how much you were able to withdraw uh i believe it was 26 000 so ten thousand dollars
00:52:35.480
of that uh if you would like me to break it down for you you're anticipating my question so yes please
00:52:40.680
go ahead uh ten thousand dollars of that was wired to a bulk fuel supplier uh three thousand dollars was
00:52:47.720
e-transferred to another fuel provider uh chris and i had gone down sorry mr barber and i had gone
00:52:53.880
down to the td and we uh withdrew three thousand in cash from one account and ten thousand in cash
00:53:02.040
from um or sorry one branch and then went to the next branch and then um and i remember being very
00:53:10.360
nervous about it because i was very conscious that we needed receipts when we needed to be accountable
00:53:14.840
and uh um and they were the the road captains that went out and bought whatever supplies fuel uh they i
00:53:21.560
believe some of that went to fuel um and they were when they brought the receipts back there was
00:53:34.120
all along people accuse her of taking off with the money no the only person who tried to take off
00:53:39.320
with the money by the way was doug ford when he got an injunction to try to seize all their um crowd
00:53:45.720
funding uh he tried to enrich himself through this but she's very careful she realized that there would
00:53:52.200
be extreme scrutiny on her with the handling of the money and uh i forget who testified earlier this week
00:53:58.920
that they did have an accountant who was brought in to help them but they never really got any access
00:54:05.480
to the money so uh as paul champ would would ask is the accountant jew that's what yeah what a weirdo
00:54:14.040
such a non-racist such a non-racist person right um no i think i really can't believe we can see that
00:54:20.680
it is extremely they're super meticulous is that the word i'm tired is that the word meticulous meticulous
00:54:27.080
yes right yeah they were more organized in the than the ops in my opinion and i think tamara
00:54:33.000
seeing her testimony about the money about the accountability that she had that she had shows
00:54:39.640
how much of the how much of the convoy actually relied on her shoulder and how much of the pressure
00:54:46.120
she felt yeah she must have felt every day yeah and even though she didn't proclaim herself as the
00:54:51.160
the leader people did paint her as such and so that's really important that despite how she thought
00:54:55.880
about herself she did go out of her way to address their concerns and be responsible on behalf of how much
00:55:01.080
money was actually donated yeah you know just a quick side note she had to prove she was matey
00:55:09.000
to those psychotic people on the internet they said she was just i forget what they call it pretendian
00:55:16.120
or whatever that she was just faking it so that she would have uh you know this cloak of invisibility
00:55:22.520
because of social justice and she had to like literally produce her heritage to stop the
00:55:32.040
allegations that she didn't look native enough or indigenous enough and so she couldn't possibly
00:55:38.440
be matey like just disgusting i thought you could self-identify as anything you wanted these days by the
00:55:43.480
the way anyway but yeah no she literally proved it well let's think imagine if a leftist person
00:55:49.400
i was actually told hey are you sure you are meti are you sure that that's really what you are
00:55:55.560
how much of an outrage would have caused within the cbc ctv global news david atkin would probably go yeah
00:56:01.880
that person but since it was smarily since she is freedom oriented she since she is sent to ride as
00:56:08.920
the dictator was saying it was totally fine to question her origins um olivia informs me last
00:56:16.520
minute edition from efron before we get to the chats and we'll sign off because you guys have been
00:56:21.960
working um 12 hours i think we're headed on to for you guys um it's a snarky yeah you got by the way
00:56:30.440
this snarky quip is about alberta and you guys are working like alberta kids so uh good for you guys
00:56:36.040
william welcome to western work ethic um the great province of alberta
00:56:43.080
no we're we're we're being we're being what's the word i keep forgetting my words because i'm so
00:56:48.440
tired didn't you say you're being overtaken by alberta yeah we're being over the colonized
00:56:53.480
we're being colonized now you're gonna have sheila who's gonna come at the rbnb we have saline
00:56:57.320
we've got tian we're being colonized by alberta at the moment you'll never know when i come i'm
00:57:03.000
just gonna pop in like i do to my son's house to make sure everything's clean and tidy i'll just
00:57:07.960
show up one day um anyways we've got a snarky clip about alberta from commissioner rollo
00:57:17.800
our friends from the ottawa police service who had raised the issue and uh with some of your
00:57:22.200
commission yeah i think it's lawyers have to be aware of the rule it's basically the same rule as
00:57:29.720
applies to in courts and you can't speak about the cross-examination on the evidence you can prepare
00:57:39.960
but that's a different matter and the line obviously we rely on lawyers to respect that
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thanks for love for that yeah thank you we are all one country thanks reminder you guys aren't
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separated yet i think he needs to watch um ungovernable i think uh yeah made by rebels
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keen simoni yeah i think that'd be a good start you know that's uh they were the exchange there was
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because tamara is staying in an airbnb it sounds like with uh brendan miller and some of the other
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lawyers and since she's still testifying she's still under oath and they just wanted to make sure
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that they're not going to get in trouble for talking to her now they're not supposed to talk
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about her testimony upcoming or what happened today um but they just wanted to make sure because
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people call and tattle on tamara all the time for everything she said she was outside and somebody
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called the cops because she was having a smoke um obviously somebody called the cops when she got her
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picture taken and then she was taken back to jail um even though there were lawyers around so they just
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wanted to be ultra careful that nobody calls the cops and she's breached on her conditions or she's
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accused of breaking the rules of the commission and then big big trouble so um just just a quick
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cutie clip i think i believe i'm 99 sure they are allowed to talk about the upcoming testimony
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they're just not allowed to talk about what she said what she said now yeah okay thanks stickler
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take a look at the chats now yeah you're tired but you're still a stickler um okay we've got
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one from annalisa 1964 gives us 10 bucks uh no love here for the stickler uh hello
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you awesome ladies today precious tamara made me cry a lot of people a lot of people uh i think
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she moved to tears my heart is so broken for her i admire her strength i don't know how she's not
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bitter and evil and just looking for vengeance and blood because i would be she's a better woman than
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me that's for sure you and me both yeah better christian than me that's for sure you know vengeance is
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mine say it's the lord but i'd like a little piece too you know i don't i don't appreciate
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being misgendered annalisa i my pronouns are i would please ask you to respect my pronouns
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otherwise bill c16 might be in vote on you um no tamara alicia's testimony was definitely heartbreaking
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i was in the crowd once again while she was giving her testimony uh i might have just been tiredness but i
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i know i i felt my my eyes filled with water a little bit and i know some people in the crowd
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were crying i was walking back with chris barber as we're exiting the the commission he spoke to me
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about you know the emotion that he felt and the emotion he felt in the crowd was definitely a
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heartbreaking testimony everything that this strong brave woman went through it's it's astonishing i never
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thought i would live in a country where this is the case yeah my natural default to to avoid being
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emotional like that is to get mad so that's where i'll just stay so that i don't have runny mascara
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i'll just stay angry i'm gonna take that and i'm gonna keep that in mind yeah don't be angry like me be
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a nice person um and we've got one from uh it sounds like it's from our re-stream so people are leaving
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paid chats on the the stream during the day which is wonderful and um we'll try to get to those if
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if you want to do that you don't have to stick around to the end um feel free to just leave a
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chat whenever you're watching and we'll do our best to round them up and read them at the end of
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the day so this one 71 bucks holy heck says stop machine voting i think okay um we stand on guard
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trudeau useless leader no meetings no peace talks honking heroes thank you canadian government beat
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peaceful protesters outrageous and that's from alice bb well alice thanks so much um and again if you
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want to be like alice and just leave a chat as you're watching we'll be happy to take it you don't
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have to wait till the end of the day i think that's everything guys just thank you so much for watching
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the stream by the way uh alice thank you for your generous donation uh yeah people stay peaceful
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that's what we've seen throughout the convoy everything was peaceful and everything is still
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peaceful with the supporters that are outside the commission building peace peace peacefulness
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the william recap ladies and gentlemen yes uh okay i think that's it you guys are tired probably
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hungry i know you didn't eat because you guys have just raced over from the commission to jump on the
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stream and yeah it's like 20 to 9 for you guys uh guys great work today you guys are back at it
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tomorrow so don't stay up too late um get something to eat go to bed um we'll be back here tomorrow uh
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tamara leach's testimony should wrap up maybe by noon and then we'll have some other people testifying
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um should be an exciting day tomorrow i'm not sure who's going to be on the stream tomorrow
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definitely you too maybe not me um and as david menzies always says stay sane
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um my my reference to i don't care about his past is that i'm i had to believe
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that everybody that was involved was getting involved for the right reasons and um as i said when i
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spoke with mr barber that and i found out that they were involved i was aware of his reputation and um
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i just felt that i didn't want to start this off
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um criticizing other people again because i just felt like i had to believe that people that were
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joining this movement were joining it with the best of intentions regardless of of their past
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the public square freedom in 2022 is also your right to live your life however you see fit without
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