BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 25 ｜ Deputy Finance Minister Testifies
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Summary
After a long day in Ottawa, William and Celine recap what went on at the Emergency Act inquiry to determine whether or not Justin Trudeau's use of the act was justified and necessary. They are also joined by some witnesses and some lawyers.
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All right, welcome back, everyone, after a long day at the Emergency Act Inquiry here
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in Ottawa to determine whether or not Justin Trudeau's use of the Emergency Act was justified
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We had a very long date, and I'm here joining my Celine Gallus, a colleague of mine at Rebel
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News, and we will walk you through what went on today at the inquiry.
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Later on, we will also be joined by some lawyers, and Tom Morato, fake lawyer for the three convoy,
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He's an intern slash volunteer slash key actor during the convoy.
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As William just said, we had a very long day at the commission.
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There's lots to go over, so definitely stay tuned.
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And who do we have provide their testimonies today?
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Yeah, well, today we had people from the defense ministry, Ministry of Defense.
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So, it was very interesting to see what they knew or didn't know about the CSIS Act and
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whether or not they thought that the CSIS Act was something relevant, which I mean,
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When you look at the Emergency's Act, it is extremely relevant.
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Arguably, it's the most relevant and important thing.
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It's that little piece of the puzzle that we're missing.
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But, I mean, all the information has been provided, and, you know, lots to come out about that.
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We have a couple of lawyers later to be able to run us through the details of what went
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You know, we just arrived back to our little RV, and I still have my commission badge on.
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Can you tell us a little bit more about Archer Pawlowski?
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So, Archer Pawlowski is a Calgary-based pastor, so he chose to keep his church open during
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the draconian COVID-19 mandates and restrictions.
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He also continued to do his work as a preacher by going out, doing civil servic duties like
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feeding the poor, providing them with clothing, supplies, et cetera, and he was arrested multiple
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He has lots of charges against him for not masking.
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He was also arrested for a total of 51 days after giving assurments at the Coutts blockade.
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No, I think it's going to be very interesting to hear Tamara Lee speak.
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She hasn't done any media interview for the past, since the Freedom Convoy that was here
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basically because of her unjustifiably harsh bell conditions, all because she was one of
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those who was the key leaders of the Freedom Convoy.
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I think Keith Wilson once made a comparison that in Russia, there's some politicians or
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there's some criminals in Russia that have less harsh bell conditions than Tamara Lee has.
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And Justin Trudeau's Canada, it's absolutely unbelievable.
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In any regard, as we said earlier, we will have some lawyers come on.
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And I said, we have a lawyer right here, Eva Cipiuk, one of the lawyers for Freedom Corp.
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Basically, Tamara Lee, Shhtam Muradzo, Chris Barbers, and a lot of other individuals as well.
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She'll be able to run us through the key moments that took place today.
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And she'll be able to give us a lawyer perspective of what went on today during the Immunities
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And when we come back, you'll see Eva Cipiuk on the screen.
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We have on Freedom Convoy lawyer, Eva Chip here, joining us today to discuss what went
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I can't even believe we had the finance department up first.
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That seems like it was yesterday or last week, almost even now.
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Well, I know the finance department, as you mentioned, is basically the finance ministry.
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So that's the people who have Chrystia Freeland as a boss.
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That's as I described them today during my live tweeting.
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As you could tell, there was no one there, really.
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Maybe apart from the main foot man being, his name has escaped me.
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I believe that Michael Savia, the deputy minister of finance.
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Can you give us a quick rundown of their testimony?
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What's the most important thing that we need to catch from their testimony?
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Ken, it was so long ago, and I'm trying to, that's why I was hoping you would shoot me
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But what I do recall 110% is that for at least the first hour, they were going on and on
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about economic impacts because of the border blockades and the protests in general.
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And then under questioning still with the commission council, she basically asked, she took them
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to a document and it said that there were no significant impacts to the economy as a
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So kind of shot down basically the first hour of their evidence.
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And, you know, it doesn't take a genius to figure this out.
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And we had some of this evidence yesterday is that when you lock down a country for two
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When you're going to add in an Arrive Can app that isn't, doesn't work for other countries,
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When you have a vaccine mandate, you're going to affect the economy.
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So these three massive things that weren't discussed, that massively affect the economy,
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And yet a protest, if we're talking about Windsor Bridge, like five people, five days.
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And this is what we're talking about at the inquiry?
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Something very particularly disturbing that I found about something that Sabia said
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was that he made this border blockade, specifically talking about the one at Ambassador Bridge.
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He started talking about the real human impacts of that.
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Where's the evidence to go over the last two years and the real human impact of the people
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that lost their jobs, lost their livelihoods, their lives?
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You name it, people, not just in Canada, the whole world experienced that.
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And so the fact that he had the audacity to point out that there were real human impacts
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of other people due to the fact that these handful of people went to Windsor Bridge
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and parked their trucks there along the road, not even directly on the blockade.
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It was, it, I was, yeah, I reached a boiling point today.
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Maybe more than a few times, if you could tell by my live tweeting, but definitely.
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Well, I think that's the question that she asked, you know, how can you disregard everything
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that happened in the past, in the past three years during the pandemic?
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Just to give the viewers a quick look at what his testimony looked like, what that testimony
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looked like with this panel of the three people from the finest ministry.
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Let's take a look at clip number five, where the same person, the deputy minister of finance
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said, well, there was a very simple solution for everyone.
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The government announced its intention to proclaim or to invoke the Emergencies Act on the 14th.
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It was very clear, very clear as of that date, and the minister of finance was very clear as of that date,
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that people involved in these disruptions ran the risk of having their counts frozen.
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So there was a period of notice there, and it was very clear that all that had to happen was for those people to leave,
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and as if they did, their accounts would never have been frozen or that they would be immediately unfrozen if they did leave.
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So I think people had reasonable notice, and it was a very simple solution.
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And all the federal government had to do was talk to them.
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So what I was talking about before was the intelligence, and so that was the first bid in, you know, how much the economy was affected.
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And then the second part of their conversation was about enforcement.
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I was in shock as to what they were proposing to the banks.
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One is we could tell you who the designated people are, and then you take the measures to freeze their bank accounts.
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Or number two, watch the news, and then make a decision and freeze their bank accounts.
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So now we're giving enforcement powers to the bank based on the news.
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I think it came out during either Brendan Miller's testimony or this council for the CCR?
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Okay, so just before we get to that, can you tell us a little bit more about this lawyer?
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Okay, well, today, you know, we always praise Brendan Miller as being a great lawyer.
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But today we saw another lawyer also send out from the crowd, the same lawyer who was cross-examining.
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What I do know about him, I could say, is his name is Sujid Chowdhury.
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There's a couple acronyms, but together with Brendan Miller, with the JCCF, CCLA, CCF, they're doing a judicial review of the Emergencies Act.
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So they've been in court since March in federal court already arguing some of these things.
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So they've seen the issues that were arising, and he was making these arguments because this is a huge issue of government overreach that I think everyone is concerned about.
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Yeah, well, there's one question that I wanted to get to.
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I believe it was during Brendan Miller's cross-examination.
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He was trying to ask whether or not the Freedom Convoy was a political process, was a political cause.
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You know, because donating to a political cause under our Charter of Rights and Freedoms is something that's protected because of Canada.
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That's something we're supposed to have as Canadians.
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But the minister, the deputy minister, didn't seem to want to give a definite answer as to whether or not the Freedom Convoy was a political cause, which, I mean, it's just, it is a political cause.
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There was so much dancing around the questions today.
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And I don't know if they think that that's a good way of responding, but if you're a government official and meant to enforce and you're in this power position, you can't say you don't know these answers.
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That is incredibly irresponsible for these civil servants to be acting this way and to be talking this way.
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So he said, as a civilian, maybe that's what it is.
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Well, if you're going to start enforcing, figure out what the issue is first.
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Don't come to an inquiry about the Emergencies Act without the answers.
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I do agree that there was a lot of dancing around the question, not answering the street question.
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Don't make them subjected to just, okay, actually, yes.
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So 100%, I would, yeah, thanks for asking me that.
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It's actually alarming because that's actually starting to increase, I'm realizing, is that there's almost like there was a bit of a standard during the beginning, right?
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If they didn't know how to answer a question, they would, it was far and few in between.
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Now we're seeing consistently, they're even like just getting a rise out of the people around them, making really smart mouth comments.
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And just, you know, either being really regret, regret, sorry, forgetful, like we saw with Brenda Lucky having potentially even issues with her memory, which she should probably go and get checked out as a commissioner of the RCMP.
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I found it was, it was very weird to listen to it, a little bit frustrating.
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And that's another clip that was also weird, where he talks about the fact that, well, the emergency act only impacted certain people.
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And then he goes into grocery money that he didn't want it to impact.
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Let's just take a look at what he had to say to that effect.
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Police witnesses who've said they saw your measures work because they heard of people getting calls back from North Battleford or whatever.
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The accounts frozen and I can't buy groceries, right?
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The police saw that as your measures working because they were affecting people who had nothing to do with the protest other than that they were family members.
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So, and I put it to you that you must have realized that would be one of the effects of freezing the accounts in the way that they were.
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When we, when we, certainly when we developed the policy, we were focusing on those people involved in illegal activities.
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And certainly in our discussion, daily discussions with the CBA and, you know, we had discussion with the RCMP, certainly these issues came to life.
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That was not the focus of the policy development.
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We understand that that was maybe some people were impacted, but we had discussions in the application to say our focus was certainly on these people involved in the activity.
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So that's something that they admitted that they would probably would, it might happen.
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It was a potentiality and they still didn't put any like foolproof measures into preventing something like that.
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These were people that weren't even there and they were just associated to it, like the guilty by association.
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So your mom goes to the convoy and then three cousins down in another province, they can't pay their rent or buy groceries or see to their basic human needs because the government didn't do their job correctly.
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And these are the people, face your eyes, that created those policies that allowed them to be able to freeze bank accounts in the first place.
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It's one thing to hear about the people that create the policies, but it's one thing to put a face to them.
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Well, I think there's, and we're going to have a second guest afterwards coming on, Tom Arraso, who disaffected him directly.
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And he'll be able to talk to us a little bit more about that.
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But just because you disagreed with the government, the government decided that it was okay to just shut you off and take your money and freeze it.
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Not take your money, freeze your assets, freeze your bank account and affect your whole family.
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Yeah, well, one thing I did want to say is that they were clear and very open about them directing this policy, but then they wouldn't take any responsibility for it, which was also very concerning.
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And then even their government lawyer at the end was like, well, the banks could have called you, couldn't it?
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If the RCMP is sending you a document directing you to close people's bank accounts, are you going to call, I don't even know who you, who do you call?
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Excuse me, I have a quick question about this document you sent me.
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Like, you know, if the RCMP is taking the authority and enforcing these things, you think that they're doing it on good reason.
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And if they're expecting people to question it, the rule of law today is very, has been undermined by our own government.
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And that was Brendan Miller's first question to Jody Thomas today.
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I had some issues understanding what exactly was her position in the government.
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And I think that if we don't understand the role that government plays, I think there is a problem.
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Like from what I'm saying, sitting through the last how many ever weeks it is, is we are so incredibly over-regulated.
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So, she's with the Privy Council office and her role is National Security Advisor to the Prime Minister.
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This is not an office or a role that was created by Parliament.
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There's no legislation giving them any authority.
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It's uncertain, and not only who she is, but the demand for authority she had in her evidence today.
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She was, you know, she said, I need more authority.
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That was how her testimony was coming across today to me.
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That's a question I think that Canadians really need to look into a bit more.
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Well, and I'm not even sure she knows what her job is, actually, because she didn't even find out about the Hendon reports until today's proceedings as she watched the earlier testimonies of today.
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How is there – these are people that are supposed to have an intelligence position.
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She kept on talking about that there was an issue with the framework within this country regarding the intelligence and type of data collected.
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She gave multiple references towards how, again, people need to be monitored more, in essence, and how there is this big disconnect and really overstepping because there are already measures in place where we have intelligent agencies, primarily, the CSIS?
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So they're the largest moving body in Canada to provide intelligence on matters like this.
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And again, I will reiterate, they are the only opinion that matters when it comes to providing that intelligence.
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So the fact that this woman could stand there and demand more, more responsibility, more – I mean, she's – like, she came across as the literal interpretation of the overhanging federal arm.
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And where people – where people's actual privacy is concerned.
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So let's just talk about the information from CSIS that was ignored.
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Because what they said is they do not investigate Canadians that are taking part in a lawful protest.
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Because why would you be surveilling Canadians that are being lawful?
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And moreover, CSIS added that if you do more government overreach, people will become more disenfranchised because they believe the system is broken.
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So the fact that this individual is not taking the advice of CSIS, and there's good reason that CSIS is saying what they're doing, there is a huge problem that – why – what is it that you want from – like, do you just want such an obedient society in Canada not to have an opinion, not to think outside the box, just to – like, I don't know what it is that you're looking for.
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Because she's basically looking for surveillance on Canadians that are being lawful.
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And as you just put it, I mean, I doubt that unless CSIS just has, like, an inherent desire to want to watch Canadians play in bouncy castles and have a real good party and just literally a hoot and a half out on the streets of Ottawa, then, yeah, really, like, what a horrible thing for them.
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Like, it's a terrible use of their ability to, like, provide surveillance because, I mean, it was even regarded in that document that Brendan Miller brought up during his cross-examination.
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Well, before throwing to any clip, let's take a look once again at Brendan Miller's cross-examination, clip number seven of Jodie Thomas, just to give yours a little idea of who she is and what she looks like.
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Because we've been talking for a little while, and people don't necessarily know who Jodie Thomas is.
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Let's take a look at clip number seven, part of Brendan Miller's cross-examination of this pretty important witness.
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So you're saying that the CSIS Act and Section 2 of the CSIS Act, which is incorporated into the Emergencies Act, means something different when you're looking at it.
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I mean that in terms of the Emergency Act, the Governor and Council can consider more broadly than the intelligence collected by CSIS in determining a national security threat or situation or a public order emergency.
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I understand that. But you do agree that the four grounds of types of threats in Section 2 of the CSIS Act are what is in fact required to have been found?
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So it can go beyond what the Act says, which is a threat to the security of Canada.
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There are other definitions of threats to the security of Canada, as we saw earlier.
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The Emergency Act allows for the Governor and Council to make a broad decision about public order emergencies.
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That's not what it says, but you can agree with me.
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I think that this is an argument to have with lawyers.
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I want to talk, I want to talk, I want to talk.
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I'm so glad you brought up that clip because it is so hard to watch somebody change the definition.
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They said they don't agree with the definition of the law.
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Then when you challenge them on that definition, she reverts to, you could have that debate with my lawyers.
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So you can't change the definition if you can't justify that change in the definition, especially when it has something to do with something this important, like national threat to the national security of Canada.
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You can't just willy-nilly change that definition and expect nobody to question you on it when you're the security advisor to the Prime Minister of Canada.
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Well, yeah, and not just, you can't expect people not to question you.
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It's like you can't even answer the question yourself.
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So how do you expect for someone to believe, trust, or back up what you have to say at all when you have no retort other than, ask my lawyer, because I will not have this argument with you?
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And this is what I was saying before, if this is what these government officials think are good answers at the inquiry, I think they will be sorely wrong.
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You're coming to an inquiry, you're meant to provide information, and this is another thing Brendan Miller had to do today with the finance panel.
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He had to explain to them, you understand we're here to talk about the circumstances that justified the invocation of the Emergencies Act.
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We're not here to have a fun time at this commission.
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It's about gaining information, and if you have no information, this is not a good thing for you.
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It's always changing blame, switching the blame from one person to the other.
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All right, Eva, I'd love to have you on more, but we have another lawyer in the room who's ready to come on the show.
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No, but again, I don't want to leave it on a negative note.
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I think that what I hope this commission is doing and this inquiry is opening up the eyes of Canadians.
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It's certainly opened up my eyes to be way more involved in politics and make sure that we're holding these people to account.
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So the words came up today, hold the line, that rhetoric, that violent rhetoric.
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What it is, is hold the government to account, and I am going to be asking all of Canada, we really need to do that moving forward because this is not a good place.
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Let's throw to a quick ad break, and when we come back, we'll have a second lawyer on the live stream.
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welcome back rebel news live once again if you want to get your tickets you can go to rebel
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news live.com to meet tamara leach and other great uh people either this week or next weekend
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in calgary all right we have on uh hatim is that how we pronounce your name yeah hatim hatim yeah a
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new lawyer um a new face on the show basically not a new uh new lawyer a new face on the show that's
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joining us tonight he cross-examined the first panel of witnesses this morning um from the finance
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finance ministry finance department can you tell us a little bit more about yourself
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uh sure i'm a lawyer with the justice center for constitutional freedoms uh i've been with them
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for a year now dealing with uh i mean mostly covid stuff has kind of been the big thing but free
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speech cases as well yeah so you were granting that you were granted standing in the emergency
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inquiry alongside tdf is that right yeah we share standing uh it's the justice center the democracy
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fund and citizens for freedom great and what what is your main takeaway if you could summarize give
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us a quick rundown of everything that happens today we already heard eva say but from your
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perspective what was the most important thing we heard today what was your general impression of how
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it went today i think the biggest thing we heard was from jody thomas who's uh the prime minister's
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national security intelligence advisor so so far she is the strongest support we've heard that there's
00:31:37.120
actually a national security threat and that the emergency act was met and yet she under cross
00:31:42.280
examination by my colleague rob kittredge agreed there was no serious violence and although she
00:31:48.080
she argued about the definition being met when when it's broken down and it's actually put to her
00:31:54.040
she agrees that uh all the components weren't there well because it's one thing to claim violence is
00:32:00.080
occurring and then it's another to back that up and have actual like evidence i see that we have a clip
00:32:05.740
here that we can go to right now and we can take a look at that oh okay well never mind we're not
00:32:11.460
going to do that but we can get to this later well no and it's exactly that when you are proposing
00:32:16.620
that something as serious as violence took place and then you can't actually give proof tangible proof
00:32:22.500
tangible evidence because the narrative becomes broken down that easily what's your opinion on stuff
00:32:28.100
like that we've been seeing that a lot right like it's crazy yeah i think there was a powerful moment
00:32:32.140
where she was asked if there was serious violence she said it depends on your definition
00:32:36.020
violence was continuous throughout the protest so then uh rob asked her okay well what was the
00:32:42.160
violence yeah and then she she resorted back to honking fumes uh you know maybe some people got
00:32:48.860
harassed in the street but it's certainly not a national security threat definitely not and it's
00:32:53.720
the same rhetoric that we've heard it's all the microaggressions of um the supposed residents
00:32:58.700
where i know some people are mad but also keep in mind that hundreds and hundreds of residents
00:33:03.500
in ottawa actually housed uh the truckers and the supporters and provided them food and clothing
00:33:08.680
and gave them a place to sleep so we're not talking to any of those people right but you know microaggressions
00:33:13.800
are a thing right no 100 and you know we don't have the clip of your cross-examination of the witnesses
00:33:19.200
this morning can you give us once again a quick rundown of how that went uh what basically was the
00:33:24.000
main takeaway from that cross-examination by you specifically yeah so uh the big point that i think i was
00:33:29.640
getting at and that i think came out was that what exactly made this behavior something that should
00:33:36.240
be that should make people subject to having their accounts frozen and so the witnesses talked about
00:33:42.200
the idea that oh well you know what there's a gap in the legislation it didn't apply to
00:33:46.880
so that's what we did yeah but i i think it's important to clarify that that's not the only gap i mean
00:33:51.800
the donated funds would go through a bank account anyways the real issue is that the the the proceeds
00:33:59.280
of crime money laundering and financing terrorism act doesn't apply because there was no terrorism
00:34:04.340
there was no money laundering and they weren't the proceeds of crime what made this conduct illegal was
00:34:09.460
the fact that the government declared it illegal yeah and so i i you know i asked the panel about
00:34:14.400
this is a new area of conduct that was defined by these regulations and the response was well but
00:34:21.140
it was illegal conduct well what made it illegal the regulations made it illegal yeah the emergency
00:34:24.800
that were invoked right after you said it was illegal right that's right um talking about you
00:34:29.320
know bank account frozen and um well go fund me funds frozen and donations funds frozen let's take a
00:34:35.320
look at clip number four uh where it's basically deputy minister of finance michael sabbia who said to
00:34:41.260
the commission that there were quote-unquote no accounts frozen very weird to hear that take a look at
00:34:47.000
that those who had their account seized and subsequently um those accounts were released to them
00:34:52.960
nonetheless have had lingering effects on their credit history because of mispayments but you're
00:35:00.920
talking about people here that were involved in unlawful activities well well ma'am that's not true
00:35:07.400
i mean i i think you you've just said yourself that it was donors to our knowledge no donors were
00:35:14.000
affected by this uh the order there were no accounts frozen uh to the best of our knowledge
00:35:19.900
based on the information that we've received there were no accounts uh from donors that were frozen
00:35:25.120
and so and so and and the long-term effects on credit histories
00:35:29.320
that's not something that concerns you at all i think that's i think that's an issue for um
00:35:38.480
i i think that's an issue for the financial institutions and how the financial institutions
00:35:45.140
administer these things so you know you work in finance and uh it's your job supposedly to know
00:35:53.580
these things and again it's that hot potato that we've seen that's just been thrown in another
00:35:58.040
direction because no one wants to take responsibility for the part that they played in the invocation the
00:36:03.260
unjust invocation of the emergencies act i might add what was your takeaway from that like what was it
00:36:08.600
to we were all there in the commission today but to hear that again what do you think of it well there
00:36:13.920
was a you know a big issue that that came up under a few different cross-examinations about the issue
00:36:18.760
of freezing donors accounts well they say that was never our intention but they're the ones who who put
00:36:24.600
the the input to actually get these orders drafted and the way they're drafted they apply to donors and
00:36:30.480
and even more than that they put a duty on banks to make sure that they have no dealings with donors
00:36:36.780
so that and on top of that you know there's a bit of a contradiction there because he said that
00:36:42.780
uh earlier in their testimony they said they didn't get specific information on bank accounts being
00:36:47.400
frozen they got some general stats but they don't know individual people's accounts were frozen
00:36:51.040
so he's saying that they don't know of any donors accounts were frozen but they they wouldn't know
00:36:55.940
that anyways because i mean you called it a hot potato and that's a good image because you know
00:37:00.660
they made the regulations they hand that power up to the rcmp the rcmp makes a list of people they hand
00:37:05.420
that off to the banks yeah and then the banks are responsible for the last step and each you know
00:37:10.720
the art between the rcmp and the department of finance each of them can say it wasn't me exactly
00:37:16.060
and you know there was actually a document that was brought up today as well um it was what the rcmp
00:37:21.600
actually used to be able to conduct their investigations and to be able to write down the relevant
00:37:25.240
relevant information to be able to vet these people prior to their accounts being frozen
00:37:29.860
and we don't even know who made the document because no one would take responsibility in fact
00:37:34.760
all three people in that panel actually said that they had never seen that document before
00:37:39.140
and they're the ones that created the legislation to actually be able to freeze people's accounts i mean
00:37:44.380
um miss jock in particular i found her if i can be so bold as to say definitely the weak link in that
00:37:51.600
panel of three because anything that she couldn't actually retort her or dance around as well as the
00:37:56.540
others we saw sabia come in and say for each and every single time redirecting her questions and so
00:38:01.660
she is the one primarily that deals with creating those policies and the fact that her answer was like
00:38:07.240
i have no idea what's going on what is your job what is your job man i think i think that's the whole
00:38:12.960
thing this whole point of the inquiry move away the responsibility from yourself to someone else
00:38:18.380
the department of finance ministry of finance said it wasn't our responsibility it was the private
00:38:24.620
banks it was the private entities it wasn't it wasn't us it was interact it wasn't but you're the
00:38:30.180
one who enacts the law in order to allow that to happen i mean am i wrong no no yeah i think uh i think
00:38:37.660
that's it and it's i mean part of it's just figuring out who did what and because there's so many people
00:38:43.200
that were involved in the various decisions that were made and each person can limit themselves to
00:38:50.460
their little piece and then absolve themselves a responsibility i mean one of the issues that was
00:38:55.460
coming up around the uh the advice about whether or not this was a national security threat is that each
00:39:02.200
department can say we were asked what powers we would use if the emergencies act gets invoked
00:39:07.900
but it it seems that very few if any people were actually tasked with the big question should we
00:39:14.220
invoke the emergencies act yeah exactly anything else to add there well i think we pretty much summed up
00:39:20.860
how it went for the morning for the first panel of witnesses and moving on to jody thomas now the
00:39:27.060
second witness of the day let's start off with a clip a clip number let's go with clip number 10
00:39:32.820
um the commission quoted a transcript of the understandings from the national security
00:39:37.400
intelligence uh highlighting that jody thomas uh highlighting to jody thomas sorry that she
00:39:42.380
quote-unquote learned from the coups arrest from the media and not the rcmp so this high
00:39:48.000
level government official took some of her information instead of going with the rcmp
00:39:53.060
from the media very very interesting intelligence agent huh yeah clarified that neither you nor your
00:39:59.940
staff received sit sit reps so situation reports project reports or other forms of information
00:40:05.320
directly and as you mentioned today you hadn't heard of profit project tendon specifically and if
00:40:11.240
we just scroll down a little bit it also says there that you learned of the coups arrests through the
00:40:15.500
media not directly from the rcmp and just scrolling down a little bit again uh sharing among all three
00:40:22.760
levels levels of government and information and intelligence in relation to the convoy could have been
00:40:27.560
better so i'll just ask you to elaborate a little bit on where you think the deficiencies
00:40:32.560
are and what may maybe can be or should be done about them because as you know the commission has a
00:40:38.060
sort of a forward-looking mandate as well as a backward-looking one um so i think when we are um looking
00:40:45.640
at uh primarily open source information as opposed to investigation specific information so let's draw a line
00:40:53.220
there uh the rcmp is investigating person x for having done something criminal as the nsia should i
00:41:01.260
hmm what'd you make of this i mean in a sense i think she has a good point like she like so during
00:41:10.620
brendan miller's cross-examination he he got an important point where she her position is not made by
00:41:17.100
uh an act of parliament it's it's a it's made by a policy of the prime minister right uh her job is
00:41:23.480
basically to assemble the information that's coming from the different agencies and funnel that up to
00:41:28.560
the prime minister but where that becomes an issue is where she's the strongest support for the
00:41:33.260
emergencies act and so it really does matter what information she had available to her and in this
00:41:39.420
case it seems like i mean there's a limitation to what she's getting from the rcmp other than that
00:41:44.940
kind of her biggest source of information would be something like csis who we we've heard we've seen
00:41:49.760
from the documents we haven't heard from them yet we've seen from the documents they don't think
00:41:54.220
that there was a security threat uh to this there's a threat to the security of canada present
00:41:59.780
and it's it's under the csis act that that definition exists for the emergency stack so they're
00:42:04.860
presumably the experts on the issue yeah you know i was trying to find a document unfortunately i can't
00:42:08.800
find it but it is true that earlier today we saw a document where csis said that according
00:42:14.900
to their view the freedom convoy was not a national security issue and my question that i had for
00:42:23.600
that uh that witness jody thomas was if csis is saying that why are you saying otherwise why are you
00:42:30.980
completely disregarding what they are saying i think i think your testimony answered why she doesn't
00:42:36.100
seem to value csis's intelligence a lot she didn't seem to value csis a lot you know when she was talking
00:42:41.180
about the reasons to invoke the emergencies act when she was talking about threats to national
00:42:45.340
security she would say that section two of the csis act wasn't the only thing that we should rely on
00:42:50.240
even though that's literally what the ea is based on section two of the csis act and whether or not
00:42:56.220
we had other options apart from that i don't think that she valued csis intelligence a lot i mean
00:43:02.380
well really i just think again it speaks to her position i mean if you were unaware or you didn't
00:43:08.760
see my live tweets today um she came upon that position with zero prior police experience um unlike
00:43:16.440
the people before her that filled that position as well um and she started two weeks before the convoy
00:43:22.800
so you have a woman that is kind of learning as she goes and that was something that she actually
00:43:29.560
confirmed during her testimony as well um that she just kind of learned as she went but as her title
00:43:35.120
would portray advisor to national security that's a really big job that's a really big role so i mean
00:43:41.640
again i think it's pretty simple why she couldn't fill that position why she couldn't um trust csis
00:43:46.940
when csis has been around for how long and you've had that position for nine months it's pretty apparent
00:43:52.700
to me she's incompetent this is trudeau's canada um and we just need a reshuffle yeah a bit no totally
00:43:59.120
all right well thanks so much for coming on today um any last words for us about once again you're
00:44:04.720
the anything that we should take away from today's proceedings at the commission uh i'd say optimism i
00:44:10.600
think the the inquiry is doing a really good job at revealing the truth and getting to the bottom of
00:44:14.300
things and it's uh it's very illuminating having the people who are at the center of this whole event
00:44:19.540
that took canada and the world uh by storm and uh having them answer questions under cross-examination
00:44:25.180
absolutely yeah thank you so much for being here appreciate it and if you guys want to see more of
00:44:29.600
his cross-examination you can always tune in uh on our daily live stream well where we basically look
00:44:35.780
at how all of the commission unedited all right let's go to a quick ad break and when we come back
00:44:40.900
we will welcome tom morato freedom convoy according to his linkedin profile intern
00:44:46.440
on the live stream to talk to us about what he starts there let's take a quick break
00:44:50.880
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all right everyone we've got freedom convoy i always call him an intern because on his
00:46:03.660
linkedin profile it's written intern right next to freedom convoy but i guess key persona key figure
00:46:10.440
tom morato tom how are you doing there's only a 60 chance you're right
00:46:14.320
according to the opps analysis yeah exactly i think there's yeah it's better to say there's a
00:46:19.680
60 chance that people will follow you and agree with you right i think that's what it is
00:46:24.320
at tom for people just tuning in now for the first time can you tell us a little bit more about
00:46:28.480
yourself oh boy um i'm a co-host on rebel news uh as of the last five or six weeks and you're a really
00:46:40.220
good opening act i just want to say that um no i i for people that don't know me i did participate uh
00:46:48.680
with the convoy last january february and uh my my role during the convoy did evolve uh from starting
00:46:57.940
off uh with the intent just to deliver soup that's the inside joke uh which turned out to be doing some
00:47:04.580
uh some media stuff but also participating in some of the negotiations with the the city of ottawa and
00:47:11.740
also uh spending a lot of time talking to the police both the ops and the opp yeah i think i i saw you
00:47:19.180
understand basically almost all dates they're watching the commission i think that you follow
00:47:22.760
pretty closely um as someone watching it what was your general view of what happened how are you
00:47:28.580
feeling looking at this this show going on you know i i have to say i think that was the hardest day
00:47:34.260
uh that i've actually sat through um i first and foremost i i listened to these people you know the
00:47:43.080
the deputy minister of finance um the national security advisor uh to justin trudeau and i listened
00:47:50.660
to these people and i'm not sure they're talking about canadian tax-paying voters or if they're
00:47:58.500
talking about uh enemies of the state um in a different country like i i i can't comprehend
00:48:06.100
for the life of me why week after week we've been here in this commission and we have always heard the
00:48:14.020
evidence and the testimony from various law enforcement as well as thesis and yet these people
00:48:19.740
continuously from the political class and the political appointees get up there day after day after
00:48:26.240
day and just lie about the same exact talking points it is just uh it's hard to digest uh it's hard to
00:48:36.400
accept the fact that they're actually talking about canadian citizens um you know it's you can see their
00:48:43.440
disdain for people that have wrong think that they disagree with um and you know an important thing is
00:48:51.700
in the testimony today yet again another high-ranking set of government officials still still can't tell us
00:49:00.420
when the convoy protest became illegal or why well the only thing that could make it illegal is if
00:49:10.820
i had the emergency that was enacted there was no riot act before that um do you mirror some
00:49:15.940
feelings about what went on today oh for sure you know and i totally agree with you i think it's
00:49:23.540
i forget during this proceeding exactly why we're here most of the time because a lot of the things
00:49:28.900
that we talk about aren't very relevant anymore at least in my opinion like yeah we're getting down to
00:49:34.600
the bottom of it but again there's no evidence suggesting that it was ever necessary to invoke the
00:49:39.180
emergencies act so you're right it sounds like this prosecution um on these canadians on canadian
00:49:45.900
patriots on canadian soil is getting to the point where i really think that all of these high-ranking
00:49:53.620
government officials so to speak just live in their own bubbles and they have no actual grasp of the
00:49:59.900
reality around them and that they just have people talking in their ears feeding them their information and
00:50:05.260
i think that those people have just they've sort of allowed those people to project their own realities
00:50:11.260
because i don't think that you can actually sit there and provide a testimony so false so many
00:50:17.500
times and have the same rhetoric the same dialogue like i know that lawyers go through um like a little bit
00:50:23.900
of a preparation with their clients both beforehand but when you have so many pieces of the federal arm
00:50:29.580
or the federal government so to speak um that just say the same things they use the same words it's um
00:50:36.940
it's frightening to think that we live in a country where the people that are supposed to protect us
00:50:42.060
haven't done a thing to uphold that in the last two years put it put it into another context too for
00:50:49.580
the entire time of covet none of these people lost their jobs exactly none of these people were
00:50:56.060
prevented from traveling none of these people were prevented from any of the freedoms that they had
00:51:01.740
prior to covet they still went about their their daily lives in this country and last april the federal
00:51:09.340
government gave themselves a twenty percent taxpayer funded raise they decided for themselves that they
00:51:15.580
were entitled to a twenty percent raise last april and what did the rest of the uh you know those who
00:51:24.540
chose not to partake in a medical experiment what did they have to endure we don't hear about that
00:51:30.700
we we talk about in this commission poor ottawa poor ottawa poor residents well guess what you know
00:51:36.700
before eva and keith went in for the horn injunction they had an they had a hundred affidavits from local
00:51:43.260
residents saying that they supported the convoy so they went in right we have local support many people
00:51:49.500
in the city of ottawa that i personally met during the convoy supported the convoy and they were all
00:51:54.380
from the city of ottawa we have a very small handful of people that i'm sorry but poor you you had to
00:52:01.180
endure and guess what every year in this city you've got um festivals of varying kinds you've got canada
00:52:08.380
day celebrations i think there's a lose fest here that goes on for weeks like there's a lot of activity
00:52:13.420
in the city but i'm sorry that you were inconvenienced for a couple of horns for a couple of days
00:52:19.100
oh boy we better we better you know have the war measures act you know 2.0 invoked
00:52:25.260
to clear people out well it's actually a couple of days that you just said i think a lot of people
00:52:29.660
seize the convoy something that went down for four weeks and that's right but the honking was only
00:52:35.820
there for the first few days because afterwards he had an injunction that's right um and just to go
00:52:40.060
back to today uh to today's proceedings at the commission one of the most interesting moments
00:52:45.020
that we saw from the commission today was when brandon miller ended his cross-examination of the
00:52:51.100
second witness of the jody thomas is clip 11 and he asked an extremely relevant question at the end
00:52:57.340
in all fairness to jody thomas she was actually providing yes or no answers yes she would go on
00:53:03.020
she would ramble for a while but she would always say yes or no right at least 90 of the time she would
00:53:08.940
still say yes or no and this no that she gave at the end was extremely relevant what if they just got
00:53:16.300
one of your position and left it to the director of cesis to do what you do so the director of cesis is
00:53:24.460
not the only person who is responsible for security in this country that's number one you can certainly
00:53:30.700
make that recommendation to the governor and council if it's useful to you but there are more people than
00:53:35.500
him involved in assessing national security in the in this country but it's nothing passed by parliament
00:53:42.780
right parliament the pretty council office is an established uh office that is the essentially the
00:53:51.260
prime minister's department we coordinate information we challenge we provide policy advice to the prime
00:53:58.140
minister and i am part of that mechanism i understand that but you can agree that parliament has given
00:54:04.780
you no mandate to do that with respect to intelligence i don't agree with how you framed it parliament
00:54:11.500
so i don't agree with the basic premise of your um challenge well here you go yes or no does has
00:54:19.100
parliament via statute given you the national security advisor and and the privy council authority to
00:54:27.580
collect and then analyze intelligence uh the foreign intelligence and assessment group is a long-standing
00:54:34.620
group that no parliament hasn't given it authority but it exists and it continues
00:54:41.660
exactly she was not giving authority to do such a thing so if she wasn't given authority to do such a
00:54:47.500
thing why didn't she rely on the agencies like cesis that had authority to do such a thing no
00:54:54.220
um well yeah the clip explains it perfectly i mean she kind of she dug that hole herself brendan was like
00:54:59.660
here's the shovel and she was like absolutely let me get to work on that show you another thing that i don't
00:55:04.300
know and that i'm incompetent for um i just love how he just closes his laptop prematurely because he
00:55:10.300
knows exactly what they're gonna say like he picks and chooses his moments um yeah that's all i have
00:55:16.220
to say apart from brendan it was really hard to watch again to be honest well i mean you you break it
00:55:21.580
down in a in another way you know she she talks about uh foreign intelligence gathering and analysis and
00:55:29.420
all that kind of stuff but he was really trying to get at what about domestic and her response really
00:55:35.980
from from what i was listening to i was kind of surprised she's like well i'm actually trying to get
00:55:40.780
more power and control to do domestic stuff right and um you know but he said well you actually don't have
00:55:49.340
any authority to do what you're doing anyway uh that's falls under the purview of cesus and what i
00:55:55.740
found even more interesting was when they were talking about section two of the cesus act she
00:56:04.380
really challenged brendan on his interpretation of the thing and said that cesus has a very narrow scope
00:56:12.460
for doing for looking at that and it's like it's kind of there in black and white it either is or it
00:56:19.180
isn't yeah uh you can't kind of say that it's not and he went through the entire uh law enforcement
00:56:26.620
intelligence and cesus apparatus you know rcmp uh cesus um uh the the comms people the uh the signal
00:56:36.300
intelligence people um and and even he didn't even mention the opp but you have all these intelligence
00:56:42.620
people and she says well they're various inputs they're just inputs they don't you know but i
00:56:47.900
would think that the the head of the spy agency for this country would probably be a vitally important
00:56:54.300
and weighted heavily intelligence input i know it was very interesting because she kept challenging
00:56:59.660
miller's interpretation of the emergency act in section two of the cesus act but as soon as she was
00:57:05.100
asked a question that according to her a lawyer would be better suited for to answer
00:57:10.940
at that time she was a lawyer at that time she couldn't provide any legal understanding of anything
00:57:16.300
and most importantly you know what she couldn't provide anything intelligible that's exactly it's
00:57:21.820
not your jurisdiction lady i don't care what justin trudeau tells you so just stay in your lane
00:57:25.980
that's all i have to say yeah and just just to end it on that one last clip clip number eight
00:57:31.180
uh once again from brendan miller's cross-examination of jody thomas this witness that we just saw um
00:57:37.980
brendan miller went hard hard on this lady sorry and i think afterwards when he saw the justice center
00:57:44.380
of constitutional constitutional freedom lawyer uh rob kidridge wasn't asking the exact question that he
00:57:50.620
wanted him to ask he stood up walk over and whisper a question in his ear and let's take a look to
00:57:56.940
at clip number eight yeah i've never seen any we've all been there we heard from every law enforcement
00:58:04.380
official uh as well as we have these statements from cesus and evidence uh that they didn't have
00:58:10.860
reasonable suspicion but any of this was taking place so i take it that you can agree with me that
00:58:18.060
you didn't have any evidence with you before cabinet or even considerate of any espionage or sabotage against
00:58:23.660
canada that is detrimental to the interest of canada activities directed towards or in support
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of such espionage or sabotage right that's been discussed yes right and so that there was no
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evidence of that that you considered no in your assessment and you could agree with me that there's
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no evidence of foreign influenced activities within or related to canada that are detrimental to the
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interests of canada are condestine or deceptive or involve a threat to a per to any person correct
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there were threats to people right by email and twitter right um i would submit that in the social
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media era you cannot ignore threats against officials and public um office holders just because they are on
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social media that would be inexcusably negligent right but that's up to the police to deal with or is that
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a national emergency it depends on the situation in which in the context in which those threats arrive
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i highly suggest that everyone go online write cc act section two and read what a threat to national
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security is take a look at that you'll actually be able to hear what she's saying right here does not corroborate
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what section two of the ccs act actually is and that goes once against my point that she doesn't
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seem to value ccs to last she prefers to do her own research her own investigation even though that's not
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her mandate that she just admitted in the in the clip that we just saw and disregards ccs intelligence
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last words to you celine then tom and then we'll wrap that up um i just i share tom's sentiment uh today
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was per like particularly hard to to sit through um specifically this morning listening to the the
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three deputy finance ministers um but i feel like i was revived after brendan miller cross-examined him
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and then particularly in the clip that we just watched i just it just it was very uplifting you know
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again to hear to hear these people who don't really even know a whole heck of a lot about their own job i
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mean i don't expect them to know a lot about what actually went on when the convoy was here about
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any of the blockades so i guess it's just that uh yeah i want to end it on something optimistic as
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well so i think that this definitely has been um it's opened a lot of eyes for canadians for myself
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as well i definitely share that sentiment um i think this is why as a younger person i can speak to the
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fact that um they don't really do anything in schools to primarily usher people that are young to
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get into politics or to be interested in politics in fact i can say i was deterred from them at a very
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young age uh because they made it so heinous and hard to understand when judging from what i see in
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this room uh the commission actually to be more specific it's very simple and i would usher anyone
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of any age but primarily if we have anyone of a younger audience if you're not sure about any of
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these things do your research get involved make choices be able to like lend your voice towards a
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side that's going to be able to project what you want to see go on in your country because
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i don't think anyone likes what they're seeing right now and that goes for anyone regardless
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of where you stand um in position to the convoy in ottawa so i'll pass it off to tom from there
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all right well just before we get on to you tom earlier we saw one of the witness talk about the
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fact that they didn't want the families of the people that got their assets frozen to be impacted i
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know that your family was yes impacted by the fact that your assets were frozen so if you could also
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just touch on that that would be great yeah so um one of my children has a very severe heart condition
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um multiple open heart surgeries right needed medication my son you know he doesn't reside with me
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and um during the uh emergency act when my bank accounts my credit cards everything that had my name
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on it was frozen uh my credit card was on file with the pharmacy and so he couldn't get his heart
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medication okay what did my son have to do with with the banks watched on ctv or global or one of these and then
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decided that it would be okay for them to go after all of my financial assets those are my assets i earn
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those and those are mine and here's the thing to this day there was never a warrant for my arrest i've
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never been charged i've never been convicted i don't own a truck i didn't violate a horn uh injunction what
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i did during the convoy was to try my best to work with law enforcement to make sure that that convoy was
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responsible and safe and they decided that they didn't want to hear from canadians because as we said
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it's still to this day we don't know when they determined that it was illegal or why or how they did
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it they just say that it's illegal but they never really justified or proved that it was legal they
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certainly have never met the threshold of section two of csis so how is it that now all of a sudden my
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life's son or my my son's life is put in jeopardy and this is what every canadian in this country whether
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you supported the convoy or not should know that if you disagree with this government right now they
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will take extraordinary measures because now they've set the precedent to do it now they've
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actually created this situation where the next time you you for example refuse to have sex with your
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boss right this is what we're talking about it's not about covet this has always been about following
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the law about informed consent and about your right to choose what is right for you in bodily autonomy
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and you know they brought up the rule of law and brendan asked her what she meant by the rule of law
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but here's the thing if you go against if you tell truth to power and you disagree with that
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the onus now on the victim is to somehow be the one who corrects their behavior and i know it's a very crude
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and disgusting comment about uh having sex with your boss but we're living in a world that if you don't
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do what the authorities in this country tell you you're the one who are going to suffer for it
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i lost my job because i questioned the mandates not because i refused to get it but because i
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questioned it exactly this is the world we live in and this leadership starts at the top and it works
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all the way down through this government and at every political level in this country
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and we're in trouble we are desperately in this trouble and that's why we can't let it happen again as
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canadians as a whole we have to stand together stand on guard for the yes i said that today when um
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when the finance deputy ministers talked about how the canadian reputation was ruined with the us
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um i just reminded people that um you know the past two years we didn't stand for a whole lot but it
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was canadians that made this happen that brought the convoy together after the federal government locked
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people down for almost two and a half years um in total convinced them that their friends families
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and neighbors would get them sick so that they would be okay with locking themselves in their houses
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and that's just to the degree that they went this time so just to retort what tom says what would
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happen if we allowed them that ability again if we consented if we gave into the fear and the propaganda
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that they spread not a whole lot of goods so yeah no definitely well thank you so much tom for coming
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on tonight you also spoke about you know illegal everyone watching you had two homeworks tonight
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go read section two of the css act online and also check out the riot act and check out what the
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riot act does what is the purpose of the riot act and here you've got some interesting information
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as well so section two of the css act and also the riot act go check that out tonight thank you to
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everyone who's been joining us i know it's pretty late tonight thank you to the people behind the
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camera thank you celine for being here today thank you eva thank you tom and we will see you all again
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