BREAKDOWN： Trucker Commission Day 28 ｜ Public Safety, intergovernmental affairs ministers testify
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A live stream update from our pop-up studio in the nation's capital of Ottawa, where Ezra Levan and Selene Glanville chat with Freedom Lawyer Keith Wilson about the Trudeau government's handling of the Trucker Commission of inquiry.
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I'm here in Toronto, our world headquarters, Selena Glass.
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Is in our pop-up studio in the nation's capital of Ottawa.
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Just a stone's throw away from the Trucker Commission of Inquiry.
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And I understand that we'll have Keith Wilson, one of the freedom lawyers in the studio.
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And it's pretty clear to me that we have moved into a new territory.
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For the first two-thirds or three-quarters of the Commission of Inquiry, they were talking to cops.
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They answered truthfully under oath when they were asked, was there an emergency that necessitated bringing in martial law?
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And not a single cop, not the Ontario Provincial Police, not the Ottawa Police Service, not the RCMP, not police or attorneys general in Alberta, in Ontario, in Saskatchewan.
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We had a dangerous crisis that rose to the occasion of an emergency.
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And they're not quite as conscientious under oath.
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And you're hearing the most absurd pretzel feats of logic to twist things into emergencies.
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Like, it's an incredible statement that there was an image of a big crane in downtown Ottawa.
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And so that was an image problem for the government of Canada.
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And so they needed martial law to fix that crane, as if martial law was good for the international image.
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So I guess what I'm saying, Selene, is we are out of just the facts territory and into the BS politician territory.
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Yeah, I think we're kind of in the belly of the beast right now, Ezra.
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Because just like you mentioned, it was all prior to this, it was about if the Emergencies Act was actually necessary to invoke.
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As they did it, as we've seen come out, nobody, like you said, has said that it was necessary.
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So now fast forward to this week and a little bit of last week.
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It's literally just who can avoid the question?
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Who can say that, you know, they can't recall relevant information more?
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It's pretty ridiculous, especially considering that the higher we get, you know, you think that the liberal government has all these things together.
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You know, they've obviously been given a lot of time to go over what seems to me to be a little bit of some scripted periods where they'll just either confirm or confirm and not deny, deny, confirm.
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Did you what did you see from today's takeaway?
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Well, I want to talk in a minute and we'll play some clips of it, of one of the problems.
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I mean, like you say, everyone knew this commission of inquiry would happen.
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If any government in history is to invoke this tyrannical banana republic lockdown law, which had never been done before, it has a fail safe that such a invocation must later be scrutinized by a judge.
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So when Trudeau pushed the panic button on his political career in February, he knew that everything would be scrutinized by a judge.
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And this commission of inquiry has been going on for more than a month.
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And the reason I mention that is the governments knew for nine months that they would have to turn over internal documents.
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They knew they would have to show a judge their thinking.
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And yet thousands of pages of documents from the prime minister's office and other political offices were dumped on the commission and on the lawyers and on the witnesses with a few hours notice.
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But another way to do it is to give 100,000 pages in bankers' boxes and say, hey, you got four hours.
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And it's so abusive of process and it's so unnecessary because everyone knew this commission of inquiry was happening.
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And by the way, the government just blacked out what they didn't want the judge to see.
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You know, we've got a bunch of great clips of what happened because there were some shenanigans.
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Brendan Miller, one of the trucker lawyers, saw with his eyes a communications staffer, DeMarco Mendocino, in the room.
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And this communications staffer named Alex Cohen apparently had been hiding documents, blacking out documents.
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And Brendan Miller saw him and said, hey, judge, I want to subpoena that guy right now.
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So it's just just wondering if you wanted the break now or later.
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Sir, before we take the break, I just have a quick application.
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And sir, Mr. Cohen, as we have heard throughout this proceeding, has relevant and material evidence to this proceedings mandate.
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He has very relevant evidence with respect to the inquiry as to the circumstances, as to the invocation of the Emergencies Act.
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He also has relevant and material information with respect to misinformation of which this commission has been tasked with exploring, beginning with the text messages between himself and Mary Liz Power that are already in evidence in building the narrative with respect to the protesters in Ottawa being extremists.
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And thereafter, essentially setting out that they are, in fact, proprietors of Nazi symbolism.
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Sir, this commission is in hearing from various...
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I didn't expect that we would have the opportunity.
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And I'm asking for the commission to have him testify after the minister.
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Well, sir, we're given 15 minutes to cross-examine.
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And we have relevant and material witnesses here.
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The government of Canada has redacted, without lawful authority, all of these statements from these staffers and have suppressed records.
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I have no idea at this point where this is going, so I'm going to take the break.
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And if you can speak to commission council, which I think I've repeated many times, is the way to at least raise the issue.
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And then we'll see if they can resolve it or not.
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Sir, the schedule is not as important as getting to the truth.
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There's no question we want to get at the truth.
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It's about what the commission needs to do, what the parties want to do.
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And I think it's what Canadians are entitled to, sir.
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But I just asked for a ruling after the morning break.
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And I hear the point of view from the judge also.
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There's a lot of lawyers representing a lot of people.
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I understand everyone's under pressure, and Brendan Miller as well.
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It must be frustrating to see some smirking liberal staffer 20 feet away who won't answer
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You know, it got a little worse, though, Celine, didn't they?
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This is when the JCCF lawyer, Brendan Miller, he gets booted out, which is not a good thing.
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The commission council has not completed her presentation.
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I understand that, sir, and your council's advised you that.
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The application, if you want to do it, you've been advised it's to be done in writing, not
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Sir, we filed two motions in writing at your direction that you've refused to rule on with
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respect to the redaction of documents from the government of Canada.
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That has not been ruled on and has been filed for days.
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I will take a break while you're asked to leave.
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I will return in five minutes if security could deal with the council.
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You know, again, I have some sympathy for the judge because there has to be one boss in
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Again, I also have sympathy for the lawyer who's saying these documents are blacked out.
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So, you know, it's what do you think of that, Celine?
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There has to be a boss in the room, so to speak.
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And you look to Rouleau for that as he's going to be the leader, he's going to be there.
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You're going to assume to direct the room, of course.
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But at the same time, just like we were talking about earlier, where we've seen a bit of a
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change in what's going on at the commission right now.
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Another thing that is very noticeable in the room is that there's not much of a standard
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that's being adhered to with these documents being given to the lawyers of every party,
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I'm assuming, overnight or I'm even seeing some come in during the day, during the day
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while the witness is providing their testimony.
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Like you said, it is like looking for a needle in a haystack.
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So you would assume that there would be a standard to set.
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And that would take somebody to set the precedence of that that level of standard that people
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But that has not that's not been it has not happened.
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And it's just very frustrating to sit in that room and to see that even twice today.
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I was you can see in the clip the first time Sheila and I are sitting directly behind
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the lawyers, just kind of like what is going on.
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But yeah, it's not any more about if the emergencies act was necessary.
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And actually, Rulo himself has said that he said that today, you know, why are you going
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We already know that, you know, this is what it said under section two of under the CESIS
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Why are we listening to all of these liberal ministers lie through their teeth?
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You know, it's funny because I haven't been out there in Ottawa in a while.
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I was there at the beginning, make sure the Airbnb was set up just to see what things are
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And so I would say I think it was the very first day and I saw just a couple of ordinary
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One was named Zexy Lee, just some young gal who was really mad at the truckers and some
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I'm just saying they were severely normal, ordinary people and they were giving an enormous
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I think they were talking for 90 minutes, just basically roll a dice, random people, 90
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And I bet both the judge and the lawyers wish that 90 minutes could be taken back to actually
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I have no idea how those nobodies in the standing sense got 90 minutes of prime time and we can't
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get a communications aid to the public safety minister.
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Now, Brendan Miller, the lawyer who was told to leave or be escorted out, he had a scrum
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and I understand you and other rebel reporters were out in the scrum.
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I don't want to spend too much time on this procedural wrangle, but there is something about
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it because this is under such, like in a regular court where there's no artificial time limit
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on the end, they might take a break for a week and fight about this.
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But this is under such a pressure cooker time that it rewards bad faith.
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If the government says, here's 100,000 pages, 5,000 of which are blacked out, suckers, what's
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Because he's got to wrap this thing up on a certain schedule.
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The government knows, I mean, what are they going to do?
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So here's Brendan Miller in the hallway, letting her rip.
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Canadians are entitled to the truth and you can't hide behind unlawful redactions in a
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public inquiry claiming baseless redactions on staff or correspondence because it may hurt
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We made two, actually three technically, written applications with respect to these redacted documents
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in advance of the minister's testifying and the commission has failed or refused to rule
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And one of the other grounds of procedural fairness is for decisions without undue delay.
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When decisions are not made on procedural issues of this importance without undue delay,
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procedural fairness of not just my clients, but everyone's, is violated.
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Canadians are entitled to the truth and you can't hide behind unlawful redactions in a
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public inquiry claiming baseless redactions on staff or correspondence because it may hurt
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And that, in my view, is what the government of Canada is doing.
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And had we had a timely ruling on these redactions, this application made orally today would have
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Sorry, which the application for Alex Cohen would have been entirely unnecessary?
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Is it your expectation to continue in the proceedings today?
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Well, it's my client's constitutional right to have legal representation of their choice.
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Is there another lawyer as part of the team that could step in for you if you're not allowed?
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And with respect to being thrown out of the building at the direction of the commissioner,
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You're just going to wait for some response from the commissioner now?
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It's up to security whether or not I'm allowed in the building.
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And it's up to the commissioner whether or not he'll abide by my client's constitutional
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right to have the lawyer of their choice and the procedural fairness and constitutional
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Lots of just mainstreamers with their huge cameras on their shoulders.
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Sheila joined up to see what the commotion was all about.
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William just kind of as casually as he could strides into the room and taps me on the shoulder.
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How can you how can you expect to have a fair result when the parties that are part of this
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It was the federal government that was in charge of collecting all of this information.
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And it's the federal federal government's it's their responsibility to be able to do
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this on a timely in a timely manner that goes according to the timeline that Rulo has to
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And there's a requirement in law in any sort of disclosure, for example, in a police when
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police arrest someone, they have to disclose things, but they don't just have to disclose
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the stuff that's embarrassing for the criminal.
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So if the police have something that they don't want to give because it shows the guy's
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There's an obligation on the government to disclose things, even if they're embarrassing,
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And it sounds like these redactions, at least were thought by Brendan Miller to hide that.
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I want to play one more clip and then we'll go live to our guest who's in our pop up studio
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We talked or we saw Brendan Miller, one of the JCCF lawyers, but there was another JCCF
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lawyer, freedom fighting lawyer there, an old friend of Rebel News, Keith Wilson.
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Let's play that clip and then we'll go to the man live and in persona in our studio.
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My name is Keith Wilson, counsel for the Convoy Organizers.
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Sir, we're not in a position to proceed with CROSS at this time and there's two reasons.
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One is the federal government has disclosed over a week ago an extension volume of documents
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It is obvious from the face of the documents that they don't meet the criteria for lawful
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A motion was made last week for those redactions to be lifted.
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For the cross-examination and the discovery of truth process to be valid and effective,
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So we would appreciate some indication as to when the commission is actually going to rule
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on that and hopefully compel the proper disclosure of the records so that cross-examinations
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I emphasize that these documents are not related to future witnesses, but present witnesses.
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So we're making the process inefficient with all due respect by not allowing the parties
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Second reason we're not in a position to proceed with our cross-examination at this time with
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this witness is our lead counsel, Mr. Brendan Miller, who had prepared for the cross.
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As you know, sir, has been removed from the room by you when he was raising a motion to
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find a way around the absence of a ruling on the redactions.
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So we're just not in a position to proceed on cross, sir.
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Well, just on your first question, it is expected that the ruling will come out during the lunch
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There have been a fair amount of back and forth without going into detail.
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There's some, let's say, innovative type of issues that had to be dealt with.
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So that should come out at lunchtime, which I'm happy to, I will do my utmost.
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It's going to come out, unfortunately, probably, and not on the record, the website, because
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it won't be translated, which is one of the issues we have to deal with.
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But we will, in light of what you say, we'll issue it in English only for the moment, and
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So that should enable you so we can put off the cross-examinations till after the lunchtime.
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In terms of the other problem, that's not something I can deal with.
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I've dealt, I'm trying to deal the best I can with the situation.
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And quite frankly, if the issue had been raised the way you have now, I would have given the
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So what I propose then, since this witness will be here after lunch, we simply delay till
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If you could endeavor, because I see you have, Mr. Will, you have a co-counsel, so can sort
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And in our pop-up studio in the belly of Ottawa is that same lawyer, Keith Wilson, who joins
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What did the judge rule on these sneaky redactions, these blacked out passages?
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Well, he went through each of the large bundles of documents and indicated whether or not he
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was going to order or require the federal government to lift some or all of the redactions.
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For the majority of them, he allowed the redactions to remain in place.
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But for some of them, he did rule that the redactions had to be lifted and that we were allowed to
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And so, as your reporters were witnessing in real time, while the cross-examinations are
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occurring on Minister Mendocino, we're simultaneously now going through and reviewing these documents,
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And I believe we received them after Brendan Miller ultimately did his cross-examination,
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And one of them was pretty spectacular that we read.
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It was a note from that staffer that you discussed earlier, from him attending a cabinet meeting
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about whether or not they were going to invoke the Emergencies Act, and the note that they
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had blacked out was him indicating that CSIS advises that Section 2 is not met, and then
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there's plus Jody Thomas, being the National Security Advisor, being informed of that.
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So, notes from a real-time meeting confirming that they received the cabinet, a briefing that
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the legal requirement to lawfully invoke the Emergencies Act was not present, and the information
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You know, I think we have a clip that touches on that.
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Let's see if this is the clip that matches what you've just described.
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We advise that the Commission Council should look at it as it is relevant and material to
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In particular, Jody Thomas, the National Security and Intelligence Advisor, states in that document
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that there is no national security threat pursuant to Section 2 of the CSIS Act.
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So, did he answer that, or did he just sort of sit there when that was put to him?
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Well, what we had to do at that time, because our opportunity to ask questions had passed, we took
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the position through our co-counsel, Bath Sheeva Vandenberg, who you hear speaking there, and we
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We made the decision to keep Mr. Miller away from the microphone as much as we could, given
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And so, Bath, who's a brand new lawyer, got thrown into the frying pan.
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And we took the position that because Commission Council get the last chance, they ask questions
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at the start of a witness, and they ask questions at the end of a witness.
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So, our view was that now that we know this document exists, as of a few minutes ago, Commission
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Council, who can still ask questions of Minister Mendocino, should be putting it to him.
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Initially, they said, oh, well, we'll just let the, Rouleau says, well, we'll just let it
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I can't remember his answer, but you know, it's one of those things that doesn't matter.
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I'm just looking at just a great list of clips prepared by our team here.
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Isn't that interesting how you had to do a workaround like that?
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I think it might be the one you're referring to.
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And you also said that we got advice from our law enforcement that we met the threshold,
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that advice and the decision to invoke it, informed by nonpartisan professionals.
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Can you agree that no law enforcement ever advised you that the threshold to invoke the
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One, we did receive advice from law enforcement very specifically with regards to the tools
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that were then invoked as part of the emergencies act.
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In fact, as I mentioned earlier today, in the February 13th email that my chief of staff
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received from Commissioner Luckey, that there was an express link that she drew between those
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tools, which were, again, we were getting briefed on consistently and the language of the
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The second thing that I would say is the commission has since heard that a number of our nonpartisan,
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professional, independent public servants, including those who operate in the security
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and intelligence sphere, did advise that the threshold had been met.
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Commissioner Luckey, in an email, and it's already in evidence, told you and told, well,
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told your deputy minister, or your chief of staff, actually, that she believed that the
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emergency act wasn't necessary because they could use the normal laws of Canada to deal
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My friend's misstating the content of the letter that he's putting to the witness.
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Can you agree that Commissioner Luckey and no law enforcement official, a police officer,
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advised you that the threshold to invoke the emergencies act was met, meaning that there
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was reasonable and probable grounds or reasonable grounds of a threat to the security of Canada?
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No one from law enforcement specifically said that to you, did they?
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Well, in the broad context of my portfolio, I would disagree with that.
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And certainly, as you heard from CSIS, the threshold was met in the broader interpretation
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So that was not the clip you had in mind, Keith, but it was interesting nonetheless.
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And I got to say, if someone were to write a transcript of the absolute duck speak, as
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Orwell called it, well, I would express the link between those tools in the broad context
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of my portfolio, like, that is what Orwell called duck speaking.
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And a good duck speaker was someone who could babble and make sounds to fill the time, and
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And to call someone a duck speaker in 1984 was both an insult and a great compliment.
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I think in plain language, we would say, a bullshitter.
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And it's funny, because on my show tonight, I go through some texts where Mendocino's own
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deputy minister isn't even bothering to show Mendocino some report.
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He's sharing it with everyone else in government, but on even his own boss.
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I think Mendocino's regarded as a bit of a joke, a real intellectual lightweight, and
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not a decision maker, even by the government of Canada.
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I think he looked like a fool, but Trudeau must be delighted with his duck speaking.
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Well, they're all doing it, and Blair did it yesterday, and we're going to see more of
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I mean, there's interpretations of law that are difficult under statutes, where there's
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these strange situations that maybe don't fit well.
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It says threats to national security is the trigger for a public order emergency, okay?
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It defines it as Section 2 of the CSIS Act, which has four things.
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You can have any combination of the four, any one of the four, and if you hit any one
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of them or any combination of them, then you meet the threshold.
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All of the evidence has been from all of the police officials, the government officials,
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that none of the four elements were present in the CSIS Act, including the most recently
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unredacted document from a few hours ago this afternoon, saying the elements in Section
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This is, you know, there's times where lawyers can do a sleight of hand and twist and distort
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Because one of the other lawyers yesterday walked Blair through each of the four elements and
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then proceeded and got Blair to confirm that none of the four elements were present for
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there to be a Section 2 threat to national security.
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And then the lawyer went to pursue a new line of questioning, ran out of time, and then asked
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And Rouleau said, you're not going to get any more time.
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You wasted time by going through all four elements.
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We all know, and all the evidence has been, that they weren't met.
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And, you know, we all felt like closing our laptops and saying, well, I guess we can go
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So it's what they say in Latin, QED, that which was to be demonstrated.
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Now, by the way, our intrepid Olivia, I think she's found the clip we meant to find later
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of these questions that you guys smoked out being asked by commission staff.
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I haven't seen it, but Olivia said she thinks she might have found it.
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Let's just throw that clip up before we forget.
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It says it's before the speech Monday morning, which is the date that they announced the invocation.
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Yes, I was aware that CSIS had concluded that Section 2 under the CSIS Act was not met.
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I mean, you know, for one minute, he speaks plainly to make the confession.
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And, you know, one of the things I really need to emphasize, like, you can hear my voice, right?
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You know, last night, the lawyers left my room at 1.30 in the morning.
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And the reason is, we got dumped with another load of federal government documents at 6 p.m.
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I started at the back, started working forward.
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And as soon as we find something, we discuss it, figure out its relevance, how we're going to use it.
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And one of the problems that the commission suffers from is, and I made this point to the commission today,
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not in a setting that you would have seen in a transcript, but in a sidebar,
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was not a single word has been said by the commissioner about this.
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He's allowing the second most important party, or one of the most important parties,
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because the convoy is clearly one of the most important parties,
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but the federal government, to do these massive dumps at all times of day and night,
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these bizarre redactions that have no basis in law.
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And he hasn't said a single negative thing about it.
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And as you pointed out, and I pointed out to the commission council today,
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that normally what would happen is we would get an adjournment.
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And you know that, you explained that to the viewers a moment ago.
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You would get an adjournment, and there would be a consequence to the party that wasn't playing by the rules.
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What's been happening in this commission increasingly,
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is the party that suffers is the convoy organizers and those other groups,
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the Democracy Fund, the Justice Center, and Constitution Center, and so on,
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that are seeking the truth, or we're the ones who are the recipients of the pain.
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And when we try and get a couple of extra minutes to ask another question,
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we get shut down, and we're told we need to be more efficient with our time.
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So the commissioner could do a much better job at trying to bring some balance and fairness,
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and really needs to, if he wants his process to be seen as one of credibility and integrity,
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there needs to be some, at least a statement made on the record by him about how poorly
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and improperly the federal government is behaving.
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Huh. Well, I hope so, and you're right that there's normally consequences,
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but if we're under an artificial deadline to end this, there are only rewards for bad behavior.
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Those who would conduct themselves properly undo themselves, and this is the Trudeau way.
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Now, there's one more clip I want to play, and it's about my home province, Alberta.
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Jason Kenney, who started off as the Ron DeSantis of Canada
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with the lightest touch on the lockdowns, and then something snapped in that lad's mind,
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and he became the most brutal enforcer of lockdowns in Canada
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with his arrests and jailing of Arthur Pawlowski
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and the seizure of the Grace Life Church, just appalling stuff.
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Behind the scenes, he had some interesting things to say to the feds
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He called it, the trucker vax policy is obviously dumb political theater.
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So publicly, Jason Kenney, who is no longer premier in part because of his handling of the convoy,
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publicly he was condemning the truckers in language that echoed Justin Trudeau,
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So it should be the third attachment in the sixth email that was received from Mr. Brousseau last night.
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The trucker vax policy is obviously just dumb political theater.
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Do you recall being informed of Premier Kenney's position on this?
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I recall seeing that that was Minister LeBlanc's, looks like a cut and paste of what Premier Kenney had relayed to him.
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And I take it you disagree with Premier Kenney's position?
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But is it true, though, that the Liberal platform in September of 2021 dealt with a mandatory vaccination policy
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across the entire federal service and on federally regulated transportation?
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Yes, we put that to the electorate in the 21 election.
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And I believe you had 33% roughly of the popular vote there.
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Well, to the best of my recollection, yes, your number's right on that.
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Well, listen, I want to take a short commercial break.
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And let me get some advice from Olivia how we're doing for the rest of the show.
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By the way, before we go to commercial, I just want to tell you that over the weekend,
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Most of those were for in-person attendees, but we also had hundreds watching online.
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Very carefully vetted from a legal point of view, make sure she didn't get in trouble with the bail conditions.
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We had Palminder Singh, who became a viral star with his trucker TikTok videos.
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We had Arthur Pavlovsky, who I mentioned earlier.
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And we're doing it again this Saturday in Calgary.
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And you can get all the details at rebelnewslive.com.
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And we've got even more amazing speakers coming out.
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And there's even VIP tickets where you can have dinner afterwards with all the speakers.
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You know, I mean, I do know most of these speakers before I interact with them.
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But to meet hundreds of grassroots rebels in their natural habitat is such a pleasure.
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So if you're in southern Alberta, please go to rebelnewslive.com.
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And if you're not in southern Alberta, you can watch live on Zoom as well.
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Freedom in 2022 is certainly about being able to make free choices for ourselves and for our family, who we believe are the best.
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We have seen so much suffering over the last two years.
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And a society that insult and yell at each other for making a different medical choice.
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And it will be true then that the future will have an important meaning for all of you.
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Rebenews has been present at every step of this great challenge.
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But so many other pioneers whom you could meet and hear at our great conference about freedom for our beautiful country, which is Canada.
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This conference, which will be held in Calgary and Toronto, will show you the faces of the influence of freedom that you have seen over the past two years.
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And it will be a pleasure to see you there and meet you in large numbers.
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It's time to drop these masks and let the truth shine.
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He's got a new book coming out called The History of Civil Liberties in Canada.
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Very exciting course also from the Democracy Fund.
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I want to play one more video and get your feedback on it.
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And then we'll set you free because I know there's so much you got to do.
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You're up till the wee hours every night reviewing documents.
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So after Marco Mendocino did his duck speaking, that's a word we got to bring back.
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Our team, Celine Glass and William Diaz Berthium, scrummed him.
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So for all I know, it was five seconds long and Mendocino stomping through.
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Or maybe it was him engaging in some glorious duck speaking.
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You and I will be watching it together for the first time.
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And I have no idea what I'm about to show you, Keith.
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This could be a very quick or very funny video.
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Mr. Mendocino, do you have any regrets about how the protesters were treated by your police?
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Mr. Mendocino, if you believe that Alberta needed the EA to deal with Coutts,
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why wasn't it mentioned in the 10 times that you had communications?
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Do you want to answer my question, Mr. Mendocino?
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I had no idea what I was throwing to you there.
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They hollered questions at him as he walked by in that imperious way.
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But I got to say, had he stopped to answer questions, it would have been no more revealing than walking by.
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I appreciate the fact that you're coming by so often to our little pop-up studio there.
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I mean, we normally don't have a base of operations, but I thought the idea of an Airbnb would be a good one.
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We cycle through our reporters, and we've got a little studio there.
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We've got a lot of viewers tuning in every day, and I really appreciate you bringing the smarts, as you do all the time.
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It's great to be here, and we'll keep coming back until this thing's wrapped up.
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As you know, he's also the lawyer for Brian Peckford and Maxime Bernier in the case to challenge the ban on unvaxxed flyers in this country.
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I do want to bring Celine back on, if she's still there at the studio.
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I know our friend William Diaz Berthiom is still at the commission.
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I mean, I haven't practiced law in a long time, but I've been in enough courts to know.
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We'll say goodbye to Keith, but we'll stick with Celine.
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Celine, I've got to say, you're in a government town.
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And, you know, I think of the joke, you know, I'm not big in the Lord of the Rings, but the Hobbit, you know, the Hobbits, those little people, they have this thing.
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Then they have lunch, supper, and dinner, and afternoon tea or something.
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Like, they've got seven meals a day, the Hobbits do.
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And I always get a chuckle out of that because I just love saying the word elevensies, which is what you have when it's not quite time for lunch.
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You know, get up at the crack at ten, mosey on to work, then take a 90-minute lunch, and then, oh, it's time to – that's Ottawa normally.
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Start at ten, wrap up at 4.30 or 5 with a nice long lunch break.
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This commission of inquiry, by contrast, is not taking seven coffee breaks a day, and they're working hard.
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I mean, seriously, I have – I do not know any courts that keep giving her at 7, 12 p.m., which is what it is here at Eastern time.
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And, you know, whether it's weekends or early mornings, this judge is working hard, and he's trying to get her done, isn't he?
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And today we heard a lot more about the time constraints that this entire commission is under right now.
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So we did – that did come in – it was received, I believe, by all of us, but they're really cracking down on people now for time constraints.
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Rouleau even said today that if some of the other councils wanted to talk in private about if some of them wanted to offer their time to some of the other parties in order to work together to work around these time constraints, then they could do that.
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So it's – to say that we're getting down to the bone is definitely no understatement.
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I mean, again, we're getting higher and higher through the Liberal cabinet, so I can only imagine what we're going to hear tomorrow.
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You know, our young friend William just posted in an internal memo to the staff the notice to members of the media covering the Public Order Emergency Commission,
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new rules in place for the media when the prime minister testifies on Friday, new rules for security screening.
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I'm delighted to say that Rebel News will be there, as we always are.
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This is one journalistic event that Trudeau does not control.
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As you know, he has historically kept us out of the federal leaders' debates, and two times we had to go to federal court,
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and two times federal court judges told him he was breaking the law by violating our rights,
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We will have no such troubles this Friday, at least I hope not.
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I don't expect to hear a word from Trudeau other than he'll use his sexy voice and say,
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well, this is a learning experience for all Canadians to reflect on civil liberties and how we can all do better.
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No, brother, you were the one who put us under martial law because you were embarrassed and you panicked.
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And the sad thing about the martial law, Saline, was that when it was invoked, I remember crystal clear
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the most common and most vociferous response to martial law in Canada by the media party, by the establishment,
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by the people who count, by the big people, the official people, the fancy TV pundits, law professors, journalists,
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It wasn't just Trudeau who admires the basic dictatorship of China.
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Everyone in the Canadian establishment did too.
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Oh, they would say they're against Chinese authoritarianism.
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They would say they're for Tibet and they're for the Uyghurs in Xinjiang province and they're for democracy in Hong Kong.
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They would say that because they have no skin in those games.
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But when it came to our own country, our own streets and riot horses stomping people and bank accounts being seized
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and people being jailed for political offenses like Tamera Leach, our official class said more and harder.
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I'm ready to sign up for the fascist league and I'll snitch them out and I'll try and rat them out.
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It is not that surprising that Justin Trudeau, the admirer of his father figure, Fidel Castro, the praiser of communist China,
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it's not surprising that he went full banana republic, tin pot dictator.
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What was surprising and disappointing and heartbreaking and needs some correction and needs some justice is that the whole damn establishment went along with him cheering the whole way.
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And so far, all that we've heard in turn of all the testimonies that have been provided is the exact opposite.
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In fact, if it wasn't people just pointing fingers at each other this entire time, now that the Liberal cabinet members are testifying,
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it's very, very apparent that they're very willing to throw each other under the bus to get through this as well.
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So by the end of it, I'm not really sure what the result is going to be.
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As you said, Justin Trudeau is going to use this as an example for how Canada can go forward.
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And I think that there's a potential for there's a potential for crackdowns in the future because they already, let's say, succeeded one time.
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So what's to stop them from coming up with something else in order to convince Canadians to give up their rights and freedoms again?
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Because it was that fear that they drove through mainstream media.
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It was the constant your neighbor, your family, your friends can make you ill.
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So why don't you stay in your home, stay safe, digest what we will give you over the TV, over the radios, and just be complacent.
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That was the antidote for all of the things that they were going through, all the fear.
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And now we have Liberal cabinet members, the ones that created the policies,
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the ones that actually put into place these lockdown restrictions and mandates.
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So I guess that is the question, what happens after all of this.
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Yeah, and I would have to refresh my memory about the powers of this judicial inquiry.
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I don't think this judge has power to punish or sanction.
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And it reminds me of the ethics commissioner, time and again, convicting Justin Trudeau of Conflict of Interest Act violations.
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He got a $100,000 secret vacation from a lobbyist, and he paid a $500 fine, if memory serves.
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Thanks for working so hard out there, along with William Diaz Berthium, who's there right now.
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I saw her in the background of some of the shots, of course.
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Olivia Bruni, who operates our studio here, our friend Efron Monsanto, who normally does, too.
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I think Mauricio Pachacorojas also does the video clips for us.
00:54:18.820
Yankee Pollock, who is the boss of our social media, really is a big effort.
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And for folks who appreciate these nightly live streams, and I only pop in once in a while.
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The hard work is done by our folks in the Airbnb there.
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Like, we're doing the full live stream every day of the proceedings.
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We've been flying people in and out of Ottawa for a month.
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We don't have hotel costs, but we have that Airbnb for six weeks.
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But it's a big house with four bedrooms, and we've turned the kitchen into a studio.
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Between the $15,000 on the Airbnb and the flights, we're probably at $25,000, maybe even $30,000 for this project.
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So if you like what we're doing, please go to truckercommission.com and chip in a few bucks or more than a few.
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Because I believe that we have to make sure this story is told accurately.
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And it's important that the media party doesn't get to revise that history, which they're trying to do.
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Thanks to the whole team in Ottawa and thanks to the team here at our world headquarters.
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On behalf of all of us here at Rebel News Network, to you at home, good night.
00:55:59.320
You also mentioned in your question that, you know, that this business about there being the concern that if we invoke the Emergencies Act,
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that it might actually lead to more violence or radicalization, as I believe you heard from Mr. Vigneault and CSIS.
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I was very mindful of that, but I also and colleagues at the Cabinet table also had to weigh the risks of not invoking the Emergencies Act
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because there were the materialization of counter-protests from individuals, specifically in Ottawa,
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because they were so frustrated at their inability to go to their jobs, take their kids to daycare,
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get access to emergency medical services, their prescriptions and the like.
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And my concern in my capacity as the Minister for Public Safety is that if we don't equip police with the additional tools
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and the authorities that they need to specifically address the gaps that they had been consistently briefing us on,